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Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana.

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Speaker 2: This is Cal's Week in Review with Ryan cal Callahan.

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Speaker 3: Now Here's Cal. South Dakota Governor Christy nom has been

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Speaker 3: catching flak on social media after she admitted to shooting

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Speaker 3: and killing a hunting dog twenty years ago. The story

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Speaker 3: appears in her forthcoming book and was first reported by

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Speaker 3: the British outlet The Guardian. Gnoam owned a wired haired

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Speaker 3: pointer named Cricket, which she says was untrainable, dangerous, and worthless.

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Speaker 3: She says she took him on a pheasant hunt, which

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Speaker 3: the fourteen month old Cricket spent running around the fields,

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Speaker 3: not being helpful at all. On the way home, the

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Speaker 3: dog escaped the family truck and killed a few of

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Speaker 3: the neighbor's chickens. Then, when Noam tried to grab it,

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Speaker 3: she says, the dog spun around to bite her quote.

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Speaker 3: I hated that dog. At that moment, I realized I

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Speaker 3: had to put her down. So she took the dog

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Speaker 3: out to a gravel pit and shot it just for

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Speaker 3: good measures. She also brought one of the family's goats

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Speaker 3: that had been chasing her kids. That's Noam's kids, not

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Speaker 3: the goats kids, which are you know, goat kids or kids?

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Speaker 3: And anyway, she shot the goat too, but she called

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Speaker 3: stinky and nasty. The executions were witnessed by a group

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Speaker 3: of construction workers, but she says, completed the unpleasant task

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Speaker 3: before the school bus rolled up. When one of Nolam's

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Speaker 3: daughters arrived home, Noam said she looked around, confused to

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Speaker 3: asking what had happened to cricket. As you might imagine,

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Speaker 3: Democrats have been using the anecdote to go after Noam,

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Speaker 3: who is reportedly on the shortlist to be President Trump's

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Speaker 3: running mate. Democratic governors throughout the country have taken to

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Speaker 3: Twitter to share photos of their dogs, and the Democratic

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Speaker 3: National Committee published a press release claiming to be the

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Speaker 3: dogmocratic Party. For her part, Noam says the incident proved

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Speaker 3: she's willing to make the tough decisions and do the

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Speaker 3: uncomfortable things other leaders aren't willing to do. We love animals,

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Speaker 3: but tough decisions like this happen all the time on

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Speaker 3: a farm. She said on Twitter. I have never passed

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Speaker 3: on my responsibilities to anyone else to handle, even if

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Speaker 3: it's hard and painful. I followed the law and was

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Speaker 3: being a responsible parent, dog owner, and neighbor. Whatever you

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Speaker 3: think about putting a dog down the old fashioned way,

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Speaker 3: I don't think most people would brag about it in

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Speaker 3: their autobiography. They should go without saying. But being responsible

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Speaker 3: for an animal doesn't just mean knowing when to kill it.

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Speaker 3: It means taking actual responsibility for its behavior. I know

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Speaker 3: ranchers do this kind of thing all the time. It's

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Speaker 3: also part of like gun dog culture that you know,

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Speaker 3: I think in a lot of areas is fairly antiquated,

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Speaker 3: all of which is kind of wrapped in sentimental thoughts. Right,

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Speaker 3: if that dog was really trying to bite her after

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Speaker 3: going on the killing spree, then you kind of get

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Speaker 3: in this weird area of like trying to pass off

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Speaker 3: a horse that bucks everybody off, right, You can't really

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Speaker 3: sell it. It's a big liability, but some people try to.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people just put that horse down because

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Speaker 3: they know eventually it's going to hurt somebody. Dogs who

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Speaker 3: bite people, you're passing on a big liability that could

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Speaker 3: have some real serious social repercussions on that person in

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Speaker 3: their pocketbook, or even you know, emotional and psychological scarring

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Speaker 3: on behalf of some bystander one day. Hard to justify

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Speaker 3: something when you're not there. That's not what I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to do. I'm just trying to let you know that

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Speaker 3: being a responsible animal owner can't have some tricky, unforeseen

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Speaker 3: decisions that we got to make every once in a while.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you when the big fish passed, super super

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Speaker 3: awesome bird dog of mine was getting old. I shot

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Speaker 3: her and it was horrible, horrible experience. It was the

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Speaker 3: absolute right decision. She was having these super debilitating seizures.

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Speaker 3: She couldn't walk a couple of steps without going into

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Speaker 3: a big seizure. So yeah, I was out of my

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Speaker 3: shout her and it was shitty. It was terrible. But

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Speaker 3: in that circumstance, you know that that was just like

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Speaker 3: the right thing to do. I didn't want to transport

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Speaker 3: get her to a place where she hated being inn

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Speaker 3: And that could have been the wrong decision on my part,

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Speaker 3: but that's what happened. So feel free to write in

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Speaker 3: let me know what you think. It's a nasty old

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Speaker 3: world out there. This week we've got Washington Wildlife Commission,

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Speaker 3: the Atlas, the Big Old World, cicadas, and so much

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Speaker 3: more of it. First, I'm going to tell you about

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Speaker 3: my week. My week kicked off, you know, just just fine.

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Speaker 3: We went down to Missoula, Montana, hit the hell Gate

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Speaker 3: Hunters and Anglers Banquet, had a great time seeing a

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Speaker 3: good show, I think, raised some cash for an awesome

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Speaker 3: local hooking bullet there in Missoula County. On top of that,

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Speaker 3: you know, the season which was seriously delayed. Found some

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Speaker 3: birds public land, real tough, real thick, got in real close,

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Speaker 3: had a great time, no white meat in the freezer,

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Speaker 3: and then hopped another flight down to Salt Lake City

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Speaker 3: to join the rest of the Meat Eater crew on

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Speaker 3: our international World Tour, live event, live podcast, New cookbook

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Speaker 3: release Extravaganza. It's the only international event conveniently held here

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Speaker 3: in the Lower forty eight. Lots of fun. Salt Lake

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Speaker 3: City crowd was great, great turnout, people were pumped. It

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Speaker 3: was great to see everybody. We got some good conservation talking,

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Speaker 3: and now we're sitting here in Boise, Idaho, getting ready

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Speaker 3: to walk into the Egyptian Theater do her all over

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Speaker 3: again with the brand new crowd and some brand new material. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's good as fun as this is. Definitely looking forward

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Speaker 3: to getting back out after turkeys getting serious in the

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Speaker 3: great out of door. So for everybody who's come out

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Speaker 3: to a live show, thank you so much. It's uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's your time and cash and you spent

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Speaker 3: you had a great time. We're very, very appreciative of

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. And big thanks to the Hussi

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Speaker 3: and crew or several members of the Hushing crew, Casey

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Speaker 3: and Old b Mac for coming out to Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 3: It's great seeing those guys. They do awesome stuff. You

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Speaker 3: don't know those guys, You can always check out their

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Speaker 3: YouTube channel Hushing. They do a lot of fun stuff,

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Speaker 3: so check them out all right. Moving on to the

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Speaker 3: governance desk the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission had one

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Speaker 3: of their spiciest meetings to date last week, as commissioners

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Speaker 3: voted to restrict cougar hunting in the state. And when

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Speaker 3: I say spicy, I'm talking open hostility in a public forum.

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Speaker 3: As far as Wildlife Commission meetings go, this one had

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Speaker 3: some serious entertainment value. Commission was considering a petition submitted

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Speaker 3: and the Center for Biological Diversity. These protectionist groups claim

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Speaker 3: that the current rules governing cougar hunting are based on politics,

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Speaker 3: cougar hunting opportunities. Basically, these new rules would make it

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Speaker 3: much easier for each Population Management Unit or PMU to

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Speaker 3: reach its mount lion mortality quota. Once these quotas are reached,

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Speaker 3: hunting in that PMU is closed, even if a hunter

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Speaker 3: still has an unused tag. One of the rules would

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Speaker 3: The current cutoff is twenty four months, meaning more lions

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Speaker 3: not just those harvested by hunters. So if a PMU

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Speaker 3: get open to hunting. Another of the proposals would allow

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Speaker 3: any other issue affecting cougar populations. If that doesn't sound

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Speaker 3: this is just a proposal. The commission voted to send

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Speaker 3: additional recommendations. But you can see why some of the

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Speaker 3: commissioners were upset. Commissioner Molly Lynnville, who represents Eastern Washington,

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Speaker 3: said she'd been completely disregarded by the five commissioners who

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Speaker 1: I would implore us to think and ask ourselves, is

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Speaker 1: this going to cause a firestorm that we are about

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't just commissioners. The director of the Fish

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Speaker 2: These are exactly the kind of things that deserve a

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Speaker 2: better process. To me, and we're trying to do this

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Speaker 2: in one meeting. And yes, Star, could I finish please

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Speaker 2: for once You've done to this many times, Commissioner.

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Speaker 1: Smith, this is our deliberation.

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Speaker 2: I believe I was called on by the chair. I

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Speaker 2: believe I have the opportunity to speak. I'm the representative

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Speaker 2: for the agency. This is part of the problem. You're

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Speaker 3: This is a problem see h spicy. The silver lining

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Speaker 3: here is that Washington State Mountain lion hunters have time

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Speaker 3: amend it. To get involved, send a note to the

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Speaker 3: Commission and we'll post a link at askcl at the

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Speaker 3: meat eater dot com where you can contact WDFW dot

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Speaker 3: slash contact. This is an ongoing trend in America where,

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Speaker 3: for whatever reason, there's a lot of power in suggesting

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Speaker 3: prove that the current science isn't meeting biological objectives. It's

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Speaker 3: a bizarro world we're starting to live in, folks, So

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Speaker 3: be involved, be respectful, but be engaged. Got it, Got it?

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Speaker 3: Moving on to the map desk TI the map TI,

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Speaker 3: long awaited Conservation Atlas. The interactive map can be access

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Speaker 3: thirty plan. The overarching goal was to conserve thirty percent

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Speaker 3: year twenty thirty. The question, of course, is what kinds

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Speaker 3: Atlas was supposed to give us some insight into that question.

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Speaker 3: is to quote, help inform, and inspire land, water, and

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Speaker 3: Conservation Reserve Program, and ungulate migration corridors, to name just

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