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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Put

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Speaker 2: on the armor, grab the sword metaphorically speaking of course,

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Speaker 2: gotta be careful buck headline media matters. Clay Travis tells

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Speaker 2: everyone to get their swords and put on their armor

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Speaker 2: to go go to battle. More charges coming. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: break all this down for you. Julie Kelly gonna join

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Speaker 2: us in the second hour, Chris Rufo in the third

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Speaker 2: against Trump. Yes, well I'm out against us yet. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like everyone is going to keep it

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Speaker 2: in the show, keep defending Trump. We'll see what happens. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know, I wouldn't be surprised at any moment if

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Speaker 2: the FBI knocks on my door. I'm gonna be honest

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Speaker 2: with you, and I don't think anybody who's been outspoken

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Speaker 2: defending Trump would be surprised if anybody knocked on their

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Speaker 2: door from the federal government. Based on how things are going. Okay,

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Speaker 2: just for people out there, this is breaking news. I

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Speaker 2: want to read from the statement that Trump put up

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Speaker 2: on truths, so I know sometimes this is difficult to

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Speaker 2: keep tabs on. So let me just give you the

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Speaker 2: backstory here. We've got charges in New York City that

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Speaker 2: are completely bogus. We've got charges that I believe are

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Speaker 2: increasingly bogus in South Florida as more and more evidence

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Speaker 2: around the document's handling aspect of these charges comes out,

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Speaker 2: state charges in New York City, that is, the New

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Speaker 2: York state government is prosecuting federal government charges Joe Biden's

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice in the South Florida area, Miami area charges.

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Speaker 2: And now reports are and we told you this was

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Speaker 2: likely to happen. In fact, we told you it was

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Speaker 2: going to happen. There are going to be at a

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Speaker 2: peers federal charges brought against Donald Trump in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 2: Associated with January sixth, a date that Democrats refuse to

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Speaker 2: allow to pass. And here is what Trump put out

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Speaker 2: this morning, Wow, on Sunday night, while I'm just going

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Speaker 2: to read the whole thing for everybody out there, just

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Speaker 2: to contextualize it further than Buck and I will react

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Speaker 2: tell you what we think is significant about this. Here

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Speaker 2: is a statement by Donald Trump, wow on Sunday night,

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Speaker 2: while I was with my family having just arrived from

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Speaker 2: the turning point event in Florida, where I won the

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Speaker 2: straw pole against all other Republican candidates with eighty five

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Speaker 2: point seven percent, with all polls showing me leading in

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Speaker 2: the Republican primary by very substantial numbers, almost everyone predicting

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Speaker 2: that I will be the Republican nominee for president and

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Speaker 2: I as I am leading Democrat Joe Biden in the

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Speaker 2: polls by a lot. Horrifying news all capital for our

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Speaker 2: country was given to me by my attorneys. Deranged Jack Smith,

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Speaker 2: the prosecutor with Joe Biden's DOJ, sent a letter again

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Speaker 2: it was Sunday night exclamation point, stating that I am

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Speaker 2: a target of the January sixth grand Jury investigation and

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Speaker 2: giving me a very short four days to report to

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Speaker 2: the grand jury, which almost always means an arrest and indictment.

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Speaker 2: So now Joe Biden's Attorney General, Merrick Garland, who I

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Speaker 2: turned down for the United States Supreme Court in retrospect

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Speaker 2: based on his corrupt and unethical actions of very wise decision,

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Speaker 2: together with Joe Biden's Department of Injustice, have effectively issued

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Speaker 2: a third indictment and arrest of Joe Biden's all caps

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Speaker 2: number one political opponent who was largely dominating him in

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Speaker 2: the race for presidency. Nothing like this has ever happened

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Speaker 2: in our country before, or even close. They illegally spied

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Speaker 2: on my campaign, attacked me with a totally faked dossier

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Speaker 2: that was funded by Hillary Clinton's campaign, and the DNC

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Speaker 2: impeached me twice. I won. They failed on the Muller

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Speaker 2: witch hunt, no collusion, They failed on Russia Russia Russia hoax,

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Speaker 2: the fifty one intelligence agents fraud, the FBI Twitter files,

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Speaker 2: the DOJ Facebook censorship, and every other scam imaginable. But

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Speaker 2: on top of all that, they have now effectively indicted

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Speaker 2: me three times. The DOJ staffed and runs the DA's

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Speaker 2: office in Manhattan, with a probable fourth coming from Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: where the DOJ are in strict and possibly illegal coordination

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Speaker 2: with the district attorney whose record on murder and other

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Speaker 2: violent crime is abysmal. All caps. This witch hunt is

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Speaker 2: all about election interference and a complete and total political

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Speaker 2: weaponization of law enforcement. It's a very sad and dark

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Speaker 2: period for our nation, all right. That is President Trump's

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Speaker 2: statement on truth Social buck. I asked the question you

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Speaker 2: can go vote in this poll? Question with imminent federal

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Speaker 2: charges yet again likely, and as we have told you

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Speaker 2: let's start here, do you think this has on the

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Speaker 2: Republican nominating race, the primary race.

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Speaker 3: The fifty percent that are already in for Trump, if

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Speaker 3: they could vote for him ten times now, I think

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Speaker 3: about even more than this one presidential contest in a sense,

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Speaker 3: and therefore standing with Trump is the only way to

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Speaker 3: stand against the machinery of Democrat destruction and authoritarianism in

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Speaker 3: this case, It's TBD. On that second part, I think

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Speaker 3: it's very possible that we've already seen a rallying like

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Speaker 3: this is not unexpected. We have And just as a reminder,

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Speaker 3: we told everybody that the first federal indictment was coming,

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Speaker 3: and we were so early on that people were saying,

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Speaker 3: why are you assuming the federal indictment because it was coming.

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Speaker 3: Now we know, everyone knows. I think there's another one

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Speaker 3: that we'll be hitting here in just a matter of days.

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Speaker 3: Trump is going to surround under himself again. We've already

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Speaker 3: seen this process. So the rally to Trump effect of

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Speaker 3: the indictment, we may have already largely seen that. In

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Speaker 3: terms of the polls, I don't know. Maybe there are

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Speaker 3: more people who are going to come along. There's the

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Speaker 3: possibilities some people will take the and you see Nicki Haley.

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Speaker 2: Through this out there today. You know, with the more

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Speaker 2: or less, we don't have to do this everybody. You know,

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Speaker 2: maybe this isn't our problem. I don't think that's going

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Speaker 2: to resonate very much with the GOP bass. Nicki Haley

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Speaker 2: I think that what this is also a reminder of

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Speaker 2: is the plan here is being executed to the maximum

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Speaker 2: by the Democrats, which was a series of escalating Notice

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Speaker 2: the way this has gone escalating indictments, it's in effect

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Speaker 2: an incrementalization of law fair against Trump. It is the.

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Speaker 3: Proverbial frog in the boiling pot, the water getting hotter

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Speaker 3: and hotter. This is the one meaning this Jacksmith indictment

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Speaker 3: about the insurrection.

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Speaker 2: You have to say it like that clade, just so

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Speaker 2: that's it. You're you can only say it like you're

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Speaker 2: having a panic attack if you say that it was

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Speaker 2: If the insurrection this is terrify you and you say

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Speaker 2: here we are now with the final.

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Speaker 3: This is a this is the what the the coup

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Speaker 2: This is the uh, the.

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Speaker 3: You know, the the finish off the Trump campaign approach

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Speaker 2: And this is what I've been saying for the rest

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Speaker 3: But just the fact that they truly, you know, we

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying it.

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Speaker 3: You know, there weren't people who argued for it, but

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Speaker 3: there was a little bit more of a bipartisan awareness

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Speaker 3: of where this goes. This is the descent into political

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Speaker 3: chaos and you know, destruction of what binds us together

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Speaker 3: we talked about with Florida that they're going to delay,

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Speaker 3: we've seen so far. First of all, she's a Trump appointee, right.

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Speaker 3: Second of all, the judge, the judge itself. I'm sorry

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Speaker 3: the judge, That's what I meant. Yeah, the judge is

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Speaker 3: It's not for the judge where the charges are brought,

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Speaker 3: but he's probably gonna get something approximating fair process. Not

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Speaker 3: in terms of the prosecution, that's unfair. But I think

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Speaker 3: there's a realistic chance that he's gonna We've talked about this,

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be okay in Florida. This Jack Smith imminent

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Speaker 3: indictment hasn't happened yet, but now it is a ninety

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Speaker 3: five percent certainty. This is going to go down. It's

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Speaker 2: I thought he's giving me the thumbs up, like I

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Speaker 2: agree with you, buck, Okay, ninety certainty, Yeah, ninety nine

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Speaker 2: point nine. He's like raised, there's betting odds. Son.

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Speaker 3: So this is going to be a DC judge, which

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Speaker 3: means it's overwhelmingly the likelihood it's going to be somebody

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Speaker 3: a DC jury, which is the same thing with the

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Speaker 3: jury pool. And they're they're ready to go the distance

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Speaker 3: with the top count I mean the counts that are

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Speaker 3: possible Clay based on everything we've seen so far. Obstruction

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Speaker 3: of an official proceeding, which sounds like, you know, slowing

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Speaker 3: you did this on January sixth, oh my gosh, you know, years.

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Speaker 2: In prison, And that's what they nailed everybody with.

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Speaker 3: But it was obstruction of an official proceeding, possible defrauding

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Speaker 3: But the top count could be incitement to insurrection, and

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Speaker 3: that's I think they have to bring that count. Like,

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Speaker 3: why bring this case unless they bring that count. Even

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Speaker 3: if they only think they're gonna get Trump on the

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Speaker 3: lesser counts, which would be enough to lock him up

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Speaker 3: for years, I think they're going all the way.

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Speaker 2: There are so many angles to this buck, so many angles.

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Speaker 2: But as we are discussing, and we're going to spend

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Speaker 2: I would imagine much of today's show talking about the

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Speaker 2: potential ramifications here. Let's start here. To me, the biggest question,

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Speaker 2: I would be stunned beyond belief if I'm saying ninety

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Speaker 2: nine point nine percent chance that they're bringing federal charges

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Speaker 2: against Trump for January sixth, So we're taking the next step.

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Speaker 2: What's the timing on this? This is what I've kept hammering,

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Speaker 2: Because this one, there's going to be a conviction that

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Speaker 2: they will convict Donald Trump in the DC kangaroo court.

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Speaker 2: Where what was the math? Ninety percent of people in

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Speaker 2: DC voted against Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but but the timing of this, Yeah, it's ninety

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Speaker 2: So when is the trial?

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Speaker 3: That's the question, right, But if you get it, if

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Speaker 3: you get an anti Trump judge, Clay, you know, there's

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Speaker 3: only you know, the motions. The judge can say no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: here's a trial date. That's it, so that the delay

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Speaker 3: strategy only has a prayer of working if you have

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Speaker 3: a judge who isn't in on the law fair against

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Speaker 3: Trump and going to that DC pool. I mean, keep

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Speaker 3: have Julie Kelly joining this second hour.

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Speaker 2: We have to give her credit.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's my that's my I think I

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Speaker 2: Make sure you don't miss a moment. Trump lets us

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Speaker 3: Can I And I said that crazy things happened, Clay,

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Speaker 3: view it that way. And if anything, the particularly nefarious

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Speaker 3: Democrats who go, oh, yeah, we rig the system, they're

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Speaker 3: confident they'll be able to do it again this time.

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Speaker 3: In fact, what bigger rig job could you possibly imagine?

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Speaker 2: Then the federal indictment for insurrection to overthrow the government

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Speaker 2: of your opponent, you know what I mean. Like, so

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Speaker 2: their confidence is very high against Trump, the Democrat confidence

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Speaker 2: and very Again I'm not saying and Clay is not.

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Speaker 3: Saying, they are right. They were ninety seven percent sure

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Speaker 3: he was going to beat Hillary. But if you're just

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Speaker 3: looking at the way the Democrats view this, because let

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Speaker 3: me reverse engineer this for a second. If Democrats believed

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Speaker 3: that this was going to not only make Trump the nominee,

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Speaker 3: but that he would then because of the rally to

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Speaker 3: Trump effect, be able to defeat decrepit Old Biden, would America,

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Speaker 3: everyland allow this? They wouldn't do it, folks, they wouldn't

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Speaker 3: do it. These people are obsessed with power. That is

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Speaker 3: all that matters. They are obsessed with their team winning.

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Speaker 3: They will scorched earth the Constitution, nothing else matters. So

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Speaker 3: when you look at it that way, Clay, it's pretty

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Speaker 3: clear to me that that's that's their play. The question is,

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Speaker 3: you know, remember in remember in Braveheart, when William Wallace,

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Speaker 3: you know, hands himself in and then he doesn't hand

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Speaker 3: himself in, you know, runs through the.

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Speaker 2: Ambush, so to speak. Sometimes you think you've got somebody,

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Speaker 2: and you don't. You don't got him. Here's also buck

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Speaker 2: building off of that, if you truly thought Trump was

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Speaker 2: a unique threat to democracy, the likes of which our

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Speaker 2: country has never faced, would you let him into the

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Speaker 2: final the final election. This is what, ultimately to me,

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Speaker 2: proves that the Democrat argument that Trump is Hitler is

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Speaker 2: actually bs because if you really thought right, if you

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Speaker 2: really truly believed that Trump was Adolf Hitler, the last

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Speaker 2: thing you would do is put him into the squared circle,

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Speaker 2: into the octagon to take on this competitor, whoever the

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Speaker 2: Democrat is going to be. And Buck building on that,

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Speaker 2: this is the exact same thing they did in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two. They claim that maga Republicans are going to

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Speaker 2: destroy the country, and then what did they do? They

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Speaker 2: actually Democrats did got involved in Republican primaries and tried

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Speaker 2: to select the Trumpiest candidates in swing states and swing

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Speaker 2: districts to try to put those people into the race

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Speaker 2: so that their candidate would have a better chance of winning.

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Speaker 2: This is akin in some ways, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: if they'd ever do it, but this is like them

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Speaker 2: spending money to try to make Trump the nominee. You

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Speaker 2: got to be careful what you wish for because they

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Speaker 2: thought in sixteen there's no way we could lose, and

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Speaker 2: it could be that independence rally around Trump as they

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Speaker 2: see this for what it is, an incredibly dangerous political maneuver.

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Speaker 2: But that's all this is. That's the wild card here.

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Speaker 3: You know, how does this play with independence in the

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Speaker 3: key states because the demographics and the voting patterns in

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Speaker 3: this country haven't changed so much since twenty twenty that

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Speaker 3: we're going to see. You know, California is not going

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Speaker 3: to be a swing state, right like we know where

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Speaker 3: it's going to matter how to those voters Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia.

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Speaker 3: He saw campets Camp said, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We'll back some of those any republic hour or this

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Speaker 2: this show now, which I thought was interesting, including he

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Speaker 2: will back Trump, which I think shows that the guy is,

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Speaker 2: you know, putting country before the personal feud. But let's

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Speaker 2: get to some of this eight hundred two way two

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Speaker 2: two eight a two. What do you think about this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you agree with what the Democrat strategy

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Speaker 2: is or do you see it differently. Let's take some calls,

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Speaker 2: we come back and we'll have Julie Kelly coming up

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Speaker 2: the top of the next hour on how she sees

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Speaker 3: All Right, welcome back. It's quite a day in the

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Speaker 3: news cycle. Let's get into some of these calls straight away.

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Speaker 3: Trump facing imminent indictment likely for insurrection charges related to

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Speaker 3: January sixth, Tom in Cincinnati, Ohio. Tom, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: How you doing guys?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 4: Good? Hey, I just wanted to touch base with I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure I think Buck you're the one that keeps

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Speaker 4: quitting where Trump was in twenty fifteen, in July to

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Speaker 4: today in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Three, Tom, Can I just stop you there? Actually I'm

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Speaker 2: not waiting. Yesterday I said that Trump took the lead

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Speaker 2: in July of twenty fifteen and never gave it up

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Speaker 2: en route to winning the nomination. That's what I said.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're referring to, Because the thing that

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Speaker 3: I've said is they thought they'd beat Trump in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 3: So even if they think they'll beat him. Now they

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Speaker 3: could be wrong, but yeah, it's massively seven years have passed.

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Speaker 3: It's a massively different political environment.

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Speaker 4: And that's my whole point. That's what I was trying

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Speaker 4: to get at, is that he's a known quantity now

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Speaker 4: where then he was not a no I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I know they didn't think they could beat that he

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Speaker 4: could beat or he was never gonna beat Hillary, but

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Speaker 4: he did. But now there's seven years of everybody knowing

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Speaker 4: who Trump is. I voted for him twice. I'll vote

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Speaker 4: for him again if it's him in Biden. But I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure that he is the is the one. And

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Speaker 4: I just think that the equation between fifteen and twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Tom, can we I me just be specific.

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Speaker 3: It's not equating the it's not equating the political environments.

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Speaker 3: It's taking one component of it, which is they thought

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Speaker 3: they would win and they were wrong. They could now

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Speaker 3: think they will win and also be wrong. I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying one way or the other. If that's the case,

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Speaker 3: do you see do you see the difference? Like you

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Speaker 3: could say there's a you could say that you think

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Speaker 3: there's one hundred percent chance Trump is gonna is gonna

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Speaker 3: lose and you agree with the Democrats. I'm just saying

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Speaker 3: they've assumed they would beat him before and been wrong.

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Speaker 3: Now they've also been right as they were in twenty twenty. So, uh,

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Speaker 3: we'll see. Let's get Vinnie in New Jersey. Vinnie, what

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Speaker 3: have you got for us?

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Speaker 4: Vinnie?

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Speaker 5: Hey, Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: We're good.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to get right into my point is that

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Speaker 5: this is not a political move. This is a indictment

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Speaker 5: of Trump is going to be for insurrection, and they're

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Speaker 5: going to try to keep him behind bars. I think

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Speaker 5: they're gonna not let him get bail. They're gonna fight

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Speaker 5: for it. And it's it's disgusting that this country has

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Speaker 5: gone so far that they could do these things.

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Speaker 2: So I agree with you one hundred percent, Vinny. But

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Speaker 2: the reason why I would say it's a political move

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Speaker 2: is because if it actually helped Trump, they wouldn't charge him.

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Speaker 2: They're looking at the end game of how do we

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Speaker 2: stay in power. They're calculus, and to Buck's point, They're

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Speaker 2: calculus was, Oh, it's going to help us in sixteen.

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Speaker 2: You can be wrong, right, You could go pick take

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Speaker 2: it a sports analogy. Imagine if you got to pick

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Speaker 2: who you played in the Super Bowl. If you went

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Speaker 2: and picked the worst team in the NFL, you'd be like, man,

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Speaker 2: we're definitely going to win the Super Bowl. You still

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Speaker 2: might lose ten percent of the time, right, that's what

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Speaker 2: they're doing. The question is how does this play with

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Speaker 2: people who are persuadable. You know, look, they're going to

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Speaker 2: decide the election.

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Speaker 3: So you know, in World War One, I find World

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Speaker 3: War one to be a fascinating period. There was the

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Speaker 3: Schleef Plan where they thought and it was all very precise,

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Speaker 3: how they were gonna move, how they're gonna move German troops,

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Speaker 3: how they get everything going. They thought they'd be able

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Speaker 3: to defeat one and then turn and fight the other.

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Speaker 2: Right, so that didn't work out.

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Speaker 3: It was close, but it didn't work out, in part

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Speaker 3: because of the British getting involved early and landing and

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Speaker 3: holding some landed Flanders. But the point is, it's like

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Speaker 3: we're describing the Sleeping Plan here. This is what they

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Speaker 3: think they'll be able to do. This is their bet,

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Speaker 3: the Democrats best. It's not to say the Sleeping Plan

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Speaker 3: didn't work out. It was close. It had some you know,

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Speaker 3: brilliant and nefarious German minds behind it.

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Speaker 2: In the First World War. But that was the plan.

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Speaker 2: The way to go to the essence of this buck

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Speaker 2: is what you said. And I think everybody out there

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Speaker 2: just think about it. If Democrats thought charging Trump made

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Speaker 2: him a better candidate, they wouldn't charge him.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: They are making the decision calculated that they can pick Trump,

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Speaker 2: that it rallies the Republican base of support, or Trump

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Speaker 2: makes him the nominee, makes him stronger to be the

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Speaker 2: nominee in the Republican primary, weakens him in the general.

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Speaker 2: That's their strategy. This is not about saving democracy, because

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Speaker 2: if they really cared about saving democracy, let the people.

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Speaker 2: You never put Hitler in the in the in the race, right,

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Speaker 2: You would never say if they really thought Trump was Hitler,

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Speaker 2: you would never say, Okay, we're gonna have a runoff

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Speaker 2: to decide who's the ruler. On one side is Hitler?

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Speaker 2: On the other side is truth justice? In the American way? Right,

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Speaker 2: you never put Hitler in the ring. Well, I mean

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Speaker 2: really thought it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I see what you're saying, But I also feel like,

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Speaker 3: why won't they just let the American people decide this one.

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Speaker 2: Because he's Hitler? I mean, I actually think this gets

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Speaker 2: a little if they think he's Hitler, then what they're

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Speaker 2: doing is justified in their minds because they're taking him

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Speaker 2: off the chessboard. That's the whole point, right. But my

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Speaker 2: thing is they aren't taking him off the chess boar.

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Speaker 2: They're putting it in the in the final race. But

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Speaker 2: if they get a guilty conviction, they're locking him up

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Speaker 2: in prison. How much they're not gonna get it. They're

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Speaker 2: not going to put him in I don't think. I

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Speaker 2: don't think there's any way, hold on, there's any way

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Speaker 2: that Trump is in prison before the election. There is

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Speaker 2: a zero percent chance that in my opinion, that he

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Speaker 2: is in prison before the election. I mean if they

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Speaker 2: charge him in June of next year. What I mean

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Speaker 2: the trial is because I don't believe they would be able.

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Speaker 2: And again we can get you know, a more esteemed

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Speaker 2: criminal like Steve Bannon is convicted and out on appeal

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Speaker 2: in the DC circuit. Right, he was convicted of a felony.

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Speaker 2: There's no way in my opinion, that they put him

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Speaker 2: in prison immediately. There would be appeals. Now, he could

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Speaker 2: be a convicted felon, But the idea that they would

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Speaker 2: take him away in cuffs and put him in prison.

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Speaker 2: He'd have to get sentenced like, I don't he would not.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm not earlier confident as you are, just

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Speaker 2: because Clay, if he's convicted, he's convicted of insurrection. He's

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Speaker 2: not convicted of raising money for a wall somewhere that

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Speaker 2: didn't get built. Do you think a judge is gonna

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Speaker 2: be like, yeah, let's let you go and hang while

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Speaker 2: we figure out what happens on appeal. If he's convicted,

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Speaker 2: he's going to prison, well, there'd be a sentencing, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: the judge will sentence him to prison, not immediately. I

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Speaker 2: don't think. I mean, Elizabeth Holmes was convicted of spent

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Speaker 2: ten years on the charge is trying to overthrow the

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Speaker 2: United States? Clay, it's not, you know, stealing money from

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Speaker 2: people that thought they were going to have a blood

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Speaker 2: test that was a new technology. Aren't a lot of

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Speaker 2: analogies here. It's still a political charge. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's any way that they would put him in prison. Okay,

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Speaker 2: write it down, put him on the board, a prediction board.

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Speaker 2: If they find him guilty, they're they're throwing him in prison.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I mean that's I don't see how

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Speaker 2: they get around that at all, So it's I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's a criminal offense where you get walked out,

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Speaker 2: found guilty and immediately go to prison. I think calling

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Speaker 2: for violent insurrection of the United States government, which is

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Speaker 2: not what he did. But if they actually convicted him

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Speaker 2: on this clay, I think they're locking them up, buddy.

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Speaker 2: I don't see how they get I don't think, so

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Speaker 2: we'll see