Speaker 1: Crime and hello social Sluice and welcome back to another
Speaker 1: amazing episode of Real Time Crime. I'm your host, Lee Lamar,
Speaker 1: and I have with me my amazing co host, Teddy Mellencamp,
Speaker 1: and we've got, of course are sometimes Dmitri. Hello. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I am a little concerned because Teddy didn't take as
Speaker 1: long as a beat before her name, which means she's
Speaker 1: sitting on something hot. I am sitting on something so hot.
Speaker 1: I can't even wait until the hot topics because this
Speaker 1: is this is, this is flaming topics. So last night
Speaker 1: I stayed at past my bedtime just to text. I
Speaker 1: almost thought it was a fake Teddy mellon Camp. I
Speaker 1: was so invested. If you know Teddy, you know she
Speaker 1: wakes up at five am to go for a run,
Speaker 1: and I'm usually going to sleep at five am, all right,
Speaker 1: But last night I got a text message from our
Speaker 1: very only a Lamar here about someone that slid into
Speaker 1: her d M S drum pro Chris Cuomo. Dmitri's face
Speaker 1: immediately felt to a frown. No, I mean it's not
Speaker 1: a frown. It's I'm concerned as to what was said. Well,
Speaker 1: what we're trying to descipher and I'm all at Leah
Speaker 1: speaking for herself in a second, but I just you know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to close that she's definitely going to talk
Speaker 1: about it. I need her to read through some of
Speaker 1: these damns back and forth because we are trying to
Speaker 1: decipher if it we know it's from his Instagram account.
Speaker 1: We have decipher that. But what we need to know
Speaker 1: the crime of today is is this a hacker or
Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo. All I'm gonna say, and then Leah you
Speaker 1: take it from here, is the punctuation is a real
Speaker 1: problem for me. Okay. So Chris Cuomo follows me on Instagram,
Speaker 1: already followed you or just followed you, just followed me,
Speaker 1: and thank you to me to for asking the important details. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a lot of questions. I can tell
Speaker 1: you that already. Oh I'm certain that. Okay. So Monday
Speaker 1: morning six four am, which East Coast time schedule yet precisely,
Speaker 1: So I guess he hasn't really done his research on
Speaker 1: me the hacker or Chris Cuomo. Okay, So it says
Speaker 1: I'm doing a deep dive on what generates games with
Speaker 1: his z on this and other platforms. You are missing
Speaker 1: an algorithm element I can explain. I am a fan
Speaker 1: period of your stand up and podcast, no period, I
Speaker 1: heard it said. I said, is this Chris or a hacker?
Speaker 1: Either way, go on Cuomo and they said, and thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll be coming an NYC soon if you want to
Speaker 1: come see a live show. He said, it is Chris Cuomo.
Speaker 1: No one else wants to be me dot dot dot
Speaker 1: right now, no punctuation. Well, that leads me to believe
Speaker 1: it's true. There's more. This just isn't stop here. That
Speaker 1: would have kept me out past. Here's the thing, because
Speaker 1: he said right now, If he just said no one
Speaker 1: else wants to be me, I would have leaned towards hacker.
Speaker 1: When he said right now, leads me to believe it.
Speaker 1: But it gets worse. Okay, your followers likely jumped because
Speaker 1: the content generate a spike that triggered an algorithm that
Speaker 1: increases placement. I ha ha on it. And then he said,
Speaker 1: and your podcast is interesting. How did you get involved
Speaker 1: with crime? I took a beat. Also, you have to
Speaker 1: tell us she made it restricted so he couldn't see
Speaker 1: how quickly she read them. Okay, good call. So then,
Speaker 1: which was immediately So then I said, I'm headlining Caroline
Speaker 1: soon in May. I'll let you know and get you
Speaker 1: some seats. I mean, I just got to know if
Speaker 1: this is the real Chris Cuomo, you know. But also
Speaker 1: I'm very interested in finding out the truth. Slash have
Speaker 1: had some mysteries in my family that left me unsettled,
Speaker 1: and I've always wanted to find answers or have a
Speaker 1: conjugal visit. Who's to say, oh, because I wanted to
Speaker 1: laugh at that, but I know it's not a joke.
Speaker 1: Then then at this point, I say, Leah, I need
Speaker 1: you to send a voice note and we need him
Speaker 1: to get to a voice note back because we need
Speaker 1: to confirm or deny if this is Chris or like,
Speaker 1: I'm just calling Chris now, my buddy Chris. Um, So
Speaker 1: she sent a voice note. She sent a voice note,
Speaker 1: but then he didn't listen to the voice note and
Speaker 1: continued on messaging. Um, he did listen to the voice note,
Speaker 1: he just didn't respond with a voice note. Oh so
Speaker 1: it's been played now, Yeah, he played it, okay. So
Speaker 1: so I also sent you a late night message that
Speaker 1: I didn't think that you would see because I was like,
Speaker 1: if she's still awake, this is a fake Teddy. Now,
Speaker 1: now you're just going down the rabbit hole and everyone's fake,
Speaker 1: fake Teddy melon Cam. What's real in my line? You
Speaker 1: need to go to the next line because this is
Speaker 1: the part that really steals. And it's got to be
Speaker 1: a I mean, could it really be him? And him
Speaker 1: say this? We are you talking about the question marks?
Speaker 1: Or before that the P word? Okay, So we'll skip
Speaker 1: ahead just a couple of sentences, but basically he says,
Speaker 1: I'm funny, and then he asks about the podcast. He
Speaker 1: wants to know what works on the podcast. Um, and
Speaker 1: he asked how the podcast does, and I said, the
Speaker 1: pod does right. And this is when I leave a
Speaker 1: voice note, and I say, Chris, be honest, are you
Speaker 1: just asking to be a guest on the podcast? You
Speaker 1: know what, I'll even play the voice note, Chris, to
Speaker 1: be honest, are you asking if you can be a
Speaker 1: guest on the pop? I can't even finished cast. You're
Speaker 1: too busy. You just had to say I was driving
Speaker 1: to a show, Teddy okay, And he says, no, what
Speaker 1: does great mean? Why am I asking? Because I'm getting
Speaker 1: a feel for the space. No, No, there's there's more.
Speaker 1: So I say, well, I was gonna say you're welcome
Speaker 1: to come on. This is no insult, no no offense
Speaker 1: to us. But if Chris Cuomo wants to do research
Speaker 1: on pods, he has other options. But even then, if
Speaker 1: it's a hacker, like to what does this hacker want you?
Speaker 1: You have to then continue on. Okay, So then I
Speaker 1: say what do you I say, what do you want
Speaker 1: to know about specifically? And then he said thanks, because
Speaker 1: let me go back. I said, well, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say you're welcome to come on. What do you want
Speaker 1: to know about? Specific He said thank you as a purpose?
Speaker 1: How many downloads a week per month? And then I
Speaker 1: don't respond, and twenty minutes later he sends four question marks.
Speaker 1: At this point I say, do not give your credit
Speaker 1: card information. I don't, and don't tell them you like
Speaker 1: your childhood pet's name if you ask for that. Don't
Speaker 1: tell him your PIN number. We know you Lee, You're
Speaker 1: gonna cough it all up. Don't tell him anything, and
Speaker 1: everyone knows my password is one to three four Lelah.
Speaker 1: That's actually mine too. But anyway, so that's the story
Speaker 1: of how we almost got Chris Cuomo on this podcast,
Speaker 1: But then I had to go take matters into my
Speaker 1: own hands, see if Chris Cuomo was still married, all
Speaker 1: the things. I spent hours researching him after this um,
Speaker 1: only to come up with the conclusion that this crime
Speaker 1: is committed by hacker. But she wasn't. Damn. I checked
Speaker 1: my d M s. Nothing, nothing from don't know. You
Speaker 1: should Instagram just sometimes I should. Yeah, you should sometimes, Dmitri,
Speaker 1: maybe more people would follow you. Well, okay, So then
Speaker 1: I said to Teddy, I think the only reason he
Speaker 1: hasn't reached out too is because you're married. So then
Speaker 1: that's when Teddy checked to see if Chris Cuoma was
Speaker 1: still married, which he is. I think the hacker just
Speaker 1: thinks I'm more gullible than you. I'm more likely to
Speaker 1: give him all my bitcoin. In fairness, you do weekly
Speaker 1: talk about wanting to hook up with cons and conjugal visits,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you do that interest, So yeah, go on,
Speaker 1: Teddy SR your voice cracked. I am a prepubescent boy,
Speaker 1: so that checks out. I mean, if I'm a hacker
Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, Teddy's talking about her husband putting
Speaker 1: in a big security system, and You're like, I would
Speaker 1: love to hook up with a felon. So if I'm
Speaker 1: if I'm narrowing it down to who's an easier target, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you. I've always imagined if a robber was in
Speaker 1: my house that they would just start like laughing in
Speaker 1: the closet because I'm just always doing the most radium,
Speaker 1: just listening to my comedy sets out loud, just being like, LEYO,
Speaker 1: what y'a do today? You know, I don't know what
Speaker 1: someone was up late watching old Chris Pombo videos. I
Speaker 1: think we need to ask one additional question of Chris. Okay,
Speaker 1: which is your favorite episode of the pod? I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be if you could be one
Speaker 1: Seinfeld character, which would it be? Who does everyone choose?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a Lane, right, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say a Lane, but I mean, yeah, probably a Lane,
Speaker 1: I guess. Or Jerry. Yeah. I mean I love Jason
Speaker 1: Alexander very much and I think he's hilarious, but I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone would want to be George's torture. I
Speaker 1: would say Jerry. The only reason I might lean lean
Speaker 1: towards Cramer is because the guys just living by his
Speaker 1: own rules. He doesn't care, He's oblivious to what everybody
Speaker 1: thinks about him. Like that's kind of a blissful way
Speaker 1: to live through life. That's a very sometimes thing of
Speaker 1: you to say, and this is why you're not oftentimes yea.
Speaker 1: And that just brings us into the hot topics for today.
Speaker 1: Other than the smoldering topic we just had. Today, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be discussing a heist on the set of the
Speaker 1: Crown of Florida pageant volunteer stealing money, a child found
Speaker 1: dead in a freezer in Las Vegas, a questionable juror
Speaker 1: from the Scott Peterson case. And finally, we have an
Speaker 1: amazing guest today who's the host of Crime Scene Confidential
Speaker 1: and I d who will be taking a deep die
Speaker 1: with us on the Casey Anthony trial. Uh sorry, Teddy,
Speaker 1: is it me or was that the first time this
Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo things I think hitting Or is this the
Speaker 1: first time she read the hot topics like really newsy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like she it's it's gone to her head, She's like,
Speaker 1: and she then if you're tuning in, just so you
Speaker 1: guys know, I have had contact with Chris Cuomo, So
Speaker 1: I just feel a little bit like I know more
Speaker 1: about the news and I am on my high horse.
Speaker 1: Well then I expect not to hear any song at
Speaker 1: the end with that one you call us at the Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's asking for a lot today. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: you want to lead us in. Sure, let me over myself.
Speaker 1: I'm Chris Cuomo has a DM ME so I still
Speaker 1: can't read. Um. Heist on the set of The Crown
Speaker 1: sees thieves steal over two hundred thousand dollars worth of
Speaker 1: antique props. These have stolen over two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: worth of props from the Netflix series The Crown while
Speaker 1: the production was shooting nearby. Over three items were taken
Speaker 1: during the highest, including a Faberge egg, a grandfather clock,
Speaker 1: a dressing table. You get the picture. Um, the items
Speaker 1: stolen are not necessarily in the best condition and therefore
Speaker 1: of limited value of resell. The Crown set director told
Speaker 1: the gazette. UM, I mean this is flaming hot. Do
Speaker 1: you think this was an inside job? What did they
Speaker 1: say was missing? I'm just curious. My question is do
Speaker 1: you think this was an inside job? If so, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, But don't you think then they would know
Speaker 1: that these items weren't expensive for resale or no total?
Speaker 1: I mean together they're two dollars, right, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think they're difficult to sell because they're not in great condition,
Speaker 1: but you can't also sell them all together. That I
Speaker 1: mean that kind of cused people, and that you're the
Speaker 1: one that stole the items, right, I would think so,
Speaker 1: And I know, you know, didn't Netflix say they Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, it's definitely an inside job,
Speaker 1: and maybe someone is just really into this time period,
Speaker 1: like making a special room in their house. Maybe it could.
Speaker 1: I mean, we go to a scape room, We're like, huh,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Do you think if we looked into it,
Speaker 1: we find out that the prop master had been d
Speaker 1: M me with Chris Cuomo and suddenly all this stuff disappeared.
Speaker 1: Could be? Could be? Can you get into Miss Florida please?
Speaker 1: I would love to get into Miss Florida, you guys.
Speaker 1: Miss Florida Scholarship director allegedly still Actually it's interesting because
Speaker 1: later in the article it says she's a volunteer, So
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's a director or a volunteer,
Speaker 1: but either way, she's still one thousand dollars from the
Speaker 1: program to pay for shopping sprees and dating sites. Drum roll,
Speaker 1: how old do we think this person is? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess i'd say Teddy seventy six, guys, Teddy learned
Speaker 1: how to read in the last two minutes. Okay. So.
Speaker 1: As executive director of the Miss Florida Scholarship Program, Mary
Speaker 1: Wickersham codrolled donors and oversaw, a non for profit organization
Speaker 1: that funded scholarships for young women who competed in pagets.
Speaker 1: But when she needed money to support her own lifestyle,
Speaker 1: according to prosecutors, she stole it. I'm just trying it
Speaker 1: on for size. Hows it feel? It felt a little
Speaker 1: forced there and see what happens. Okay. Between December, j
Speaker 1: Wickersham seventy six spend at least a hundred thousand that
Speaker 1: belonged to the nonprofit other charities to cover her personal
Speaker 1: expenses for shopping, home goods, made, cleaning services, dining out,
Speaker 1: online dating fees, and other costs She goes by either
Speaker 1: Mary Sullivan and Mary Harvey. Was arrested Tuesday on seven
Speaker 1: accounts of wire fraud. You guys, I just want to say,
Speaker 1: first and foremost, let the woman live. She's on dating
Speaker 1: sites at seventy six. Just let her have this. She
Speaker 1: took hundred dollars to do it. I she know she
Speaker 1: should reach out to she should swipe right or whatever
Speaker 1: it is that you're supposed to swipe the Tinder swindler.
Speaker 1: I think that she made a combination of the Tinder
Speaker 1: swindler and Anna delbe. Oh my, we still need to
Speaker 1: get into Anna delb on another day because that I have,
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten her on the pod yet. I know what,
Speaker 1: Anna Delbie, please reach out or any of your friends.
Speaker 1: They use their own credit cards or their bosses. Guys
Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo could be listening. This is pathetic. It's not pathetic. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to drop in the chat um An image,
Speaker 1: but it won't let me. I just I feel like
Speaker 1: everyone needs to see this. Why wouldn't let me do this? Is?
Speaker 1: It isn't Mary, It's even better. It's even if you
Speaker 1: can imagine. Okay, hold on, yes me and I forgot
Speaker 1: you are a beauty pageant gal. So here's when I
Speaker 1: confessed to my crime. What what are these shoes? Only
Speaker 1: issue there? Pageant? I mean there's a lot of issues,
Speaker 1: like the bracelet with the bathing suit, but I don't
Speaker 1: know what it's like. Who do I think I am
Speaker 1: wonder woman in a swimsuit? What is that? Yeah, um, no,
Speaker 1: you didn't know that. Leah wasn't what was it, miss
Speaker 1: new York, Miss New York. I mean she wasn't missed
Speaker 1: New York, but she's in the past. No, I was
Speaker 1: missed New York. If I had competed in a a synagogue,
Speaker 1: you know I would have won, but up against New
Speaker 1: York's finest, I I didn't even place top twenty. But
Speaker 1: I will tell you what I did win. I won
Speaker 1: in a word for my writing, which is not the
Speaker 1: thing you want to win at a beauty pageant. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know there was writing a category, and the
Speaker 1: beauty pageant, yeah, they don't show it to anyone. But
Speaker 1: I sent in an essay about me and my accomplishments
Speaker 1: and what I was doing for the world, which was
Speaker 1: honestly not much. But compared to everyone else, I think
Speaker 1: I was killing it. And moral of the story is
Speaker 1: they gave me a word from my brain. So this
Speaker 1: this hurts to this day. But can we also talk
Speaker 1: about the fact that I had my abs had abs.
Speaker 1: I know this is your extremely. I look like the
Speaker 1: tow Why don't you put this? I'm you need to
Speaker 1: post this phone out and say what running for Miss California.
Speaker 1: Now try I don't know um this at this point
Speaker 1: there at what you're the pageant writing winner, come up
Speaker 1: with something that's your bio. Paget writing winner. I think
Speaker 1: I weighed maybe forty pounds more now than I do
Speaker 1: in this photo. I would be cat fishing people. Um well,
Speaker 1: which brings us to the next heartbreaking hot topic from
Speaker 1: a People magazine article. Las Vegas child found dead in
Speaker 1: a freezer after sibling hands a teacher a note asking
Speaker 1: for help to send home. Las Vegas authorities have arrested
Speaker 1: a thirty five year old man after allegedly finding the
Speaker 1: body of a young boy and a freezer in his garage.
Speaker 1: Online court records confirmed that Brandon Tooselin was charged Tuesday
Speaker 1: with two counts of first degree kidnapping. Homicide. Detectives are
Speaker 1: handling the investigation after the discovery of the boy's body
Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. Las Vegas Metropolitan Police have yet to release
Speaker 1: the victim's name or age. UM Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: can't um the note there was a note had handed
Speaker 1: to the elementary school teacher. The note was written by
Speaker 1: the girl's mother and explained that her boyfriend had been
Speaker 1: holding her against her will inside their home, the lieutenant
Speaker 1: told the paper. Additionally, the mother wrote in the note
Speaker 1: that she did not know where the girl's brother was
Speaker 1: and believed he was likely deceased. The teacher reported the
Speaker 1: distressing note to police around eight am Tuesday, and the
Speaker 1: officers dispatched to the neighborhood stopped at Towson's car at
Speaker 1: around ten am. Toselin was taken into custody and police
Speaker 1: spoke to the victim's mother, who told them she hadn't
Speaker 1: seen her son since since December eleventh. The paper reports.
Speaker 1: She also allegedly accused Hoselin of months of physical abuse.
Speaker 1: After Tilson's arrest, police executed a search warrant of the
Speaker 1: home and in the garage found the dead child in
Speaker 1: the freezer. Toselin is not the father of the Veil
Speaker 1: mctam victim or his sister. Spencer told the paper that
Speaker 1: the mother had been barred from entering the garage. He
Speaker 1: also said Tosin will likely face a murder charge when
Speaker 1: he's arraigned this morning. Toselin has yet to enter please
Speaker 1: to the kidnapping charges, and information on his lawyers was
Speaker 1: not available. Spencer told the papers detectives would be looking
Speaker 1: into whether the mother was involved in the boy's death.
Speaker 1: You got so heartbreaking this. It's just so I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine with the mother and the sister are going
Speaker 1: through right now and what they've been going through. Is
Speaker 1: this is what happened to the brother. It I have
Speaker 1: so many questions about it though, because apparently they rested
Speaker 1: him in his car, which means he left the house.
Speaker 1: So my question was, was she locked in the house?
Speaker 1: Was she you know he was she was barred from
Speaker 1: going to the garage, But does that mean that there
Speaker 1: was a lock on the garage or I just it
Speaker 1: feels like definitely if. I mean, I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but maybe she's just definitely afraid. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: if you're being abused, I know, but I still weren't
Speaker 1: all the information. I just feel like they're more details
Speaker 1: that they're not giving us. I'm sure more will come
Speaker 1: out in time, and that will hear. This is not
Speaker 1: the end of this case that we're hearing about, for sure.
Speaker 1: And this is so tragic. The fact that she wrote
Speaker 1: the note to give to her daughter, to give to
Speaker 1: her teacher. I can't even imagine being the teacher receiving
Speaker 1: that note, well, thank god that the teacher did something
Speaker 1: about it, because she could have very well thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this is not you know what I mean that I've heard.
Speaker 1: I've heard stories before where teachers have gotten information and
Speaker 1: assumed that it wasn't true. That's that's a pretty heavy
Speaker 1: note to get and be like, oh, you know, well,
Speaker 1: like I mean, you're right, Thank thank goodness that she did.
Speaker 1: But we'll remember the case with um the boy that
Speaker 1: was in California and the teacher had been told multiple
Speaker 1: times and just it happens so well. It's kind of
Speaker 1: a similar thing too, when people confess to murders that
Speaker 1: they didn't confess to. I think I think at some
Speaker 1: point sometimes kids they just think that kids make things up,
Speaker 1: or they've seen something in a movie or you know,
Speaker 1: and that's why they deny the truth. You know, there's
Speaker 1: always some sort of weird element there. But thank god
Speaker 1: she took the seriously. And I'm I'm praying that the
Speaker 1: mother is not involved and that is it's all. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's maybe we just moved. Yeah, we'll just we'll just
Speaker 1: keep it. But I'm sure we'll hear more about this
Speaker 1: case in the future. Okay, So I'm sure you guys
Speaker 1: have heard all about this already. But if not, there's
Speaker 1: a juror in the Scott Peterson case who's an emotional
Speaker 1: wreck who wanted him to pay extra testifies. When the
Speaker 1: alternate juror first walked into the deliberations room nearly eighteen
Speaker 1: years ago, she blurted out that Scott Peterson, on trial
Speaker 1: for the killing of his pregnant wife and unborn son,
Speaker 1: should pay for killing the little man. A former juror
Speaker 1: in the notorious case testified Tuesday, we were like, whoa
Speaker 1: wha before you try to give us your opinion. We
Speaker 1: have a kind of process for mar jur Greg burrat
Speaker 1: List testified anyone walking in and saying, hey, guilty or
Speaker 1: not guilty. We gave everyone equal respect to discuss it.
Speaker 1: Also Tuesday, the judge postponed until March the remainder of
Speaker 1: the evidentiary hearing that was supposed to end this week,
Speaker 1: giving Peterson's lawyers more time to determine whether Nice first
Speaker 1: discussed a book deal before the trial concluded. The murder
Speaker 1: convictions in the deaths of Peterson's wife, Lazy, and unborn
Speaker 1: son they planned to name Connor, were upheld. However, their
Speaker 1: bodies washed up separately in April two thousand three along
Speaker 1: the Richmond shoreline close to her. Peterson told police he
Speaker 1: had been fishing the Christmas eve his wife had vanished.
Speaker 1: Peterson is now serving life without parole and is housed
Speaker 1: in a Redwood City jail. During his latest appeal, he
Speaker 1: appeared in court wearing a red jail suit and shackles
Speaker 1: every day this week. I don't know why that detail mattered,
Speaker 1: but here we are. I guess Red is the new Orange. Okay.
Speaker 1: Nice spent Friday and Monday on the witness stand defending
Speaker 1: herself from accusations that she hit her history of domestic
Speaker 1: violence issues to get on the trial. Although her then
Speaker 1: boyfriend pled no contest in domestic abuse or does a
Speaker 1: couple of years before the Peterson trial, she testified that
Speaker 1: she was the aggressor and never considered herself a victim. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: Peterson lawyer Pat Harris, who represented him in the original
Speaker 1: try in two thousand four four, try to show Tuesday that,
Speaker 1: along with hiding her past, Nice, known to journalists as
Speaker 1: Strawberry Shortcake love the media for her bright red dyed hair,
Speaker 1: sought to get on the trail from notoriety am I
Speaker 1: turning it to Teddy from notoriety and financial reasons. Under
Speaker 1: questioning um, it was said that Nice seemed to enjoy
Speaker 1: the attention she received coming and going from the Redwood
Speaker 1: City Courthouse. As you guys think that, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is insane. I'm sorry, but didn't this happen in two
Speaker 1: thousand and three? Why are they just bringing this up now?
Speaker 1: It's not like this is new information. It's media propaganda
Speaker 1: to get us focused away from looking at all the
Speaker 1: things that are actually wrong with the American government and
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. I don't know. Also, I do want to
Speaker 1: point out that you enunciated um dyed red hair as
Speaker 1: if that was well, it could be a red herring, Okay.
Speaker 1: I also is it is it Nice or niece? I
Speaker 1: can't I know. I mean, I could have looked it
Speaker 1: up beforehand, but here we are. So do you think
Speaker 1: that they're going to grant Peterson a new trial based
Speaker 1: on this juror's biased opinion, allegedly biased opinion? I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows, But I feel like eighteen years is a
Speaker 1: pretty long time without any new evidence. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: even if he was granted a new trial, what's worse
Speaker 1: than a life without parole death sentence, right, I don't,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that anyone would think that he's
Speaker 1: not guilty at this point. And also, did he have
Speaker 1: highlighted hair again or was it his natural color when
Speaker 1: he was in the red jumpsuit. I'm just wondering if
Speaker 1: he could come to trial with frosted tips might make
Speaker 1: him more likable. I'm also I don't want to know
Speaker 1: the obvious if you think he's attractive. UM. On that note,
Speaker 1: we should take a little break before we bring in
Speaker 1: our very special guest. Let's cut her off with a
Speaker 1: break real quick before she answers that wait is that
Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo? Okay, yeah, and we're back. Guys, hope you
Speaker 1: didn't commit any crimes in the commercial break. You're listening
Speaker 1: to Real Time Crime. I'm Leo Lamar. We've got Teddy
Speaker 1: Mellencamp here sometimes Dmitri, and we finally have our incredible
Speaker 1: guests for today that we are all so excited about. You. Guys,
Speaker 1: our guest has investigated some of the country's most shocking crimes,
Speaker 1: having served as a c s I for the Orange
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office on the investigation into the tragic two
Speaker 1: th eight death of toddler Kaylee Anthon me and worked
Speaker 1: as part of an emergency community response to identify the
Speaker 1: victims of the Pulse nightclub tragedy. She is the host
Speaker 1: and star of the new show crime Scene Confidential on
Speaker 1: I D. It follows her as she utilizes her scientific
Speaker 1: expertise to revisit some of America's most shocking and controversial
Speaker 1: cases by exploring the complexity surrounding each item of forensic evidence,
Speaker 1: navigating the tactics used by the prosecution and the defense,
Speaker 1: and speaking with central figures in the case, whether they're
Speaker 1: the victims of the loved ones or the convicted perpetrators themselves.
Speaker 1: She strives to bring clarity and closure to those who
Speaker 1: feel the immeasurable loss of these horrific crimes. And today
Speaker 1: we have with us our wonderful guests Elena Burrows. Hi, Lena, Hey,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. We're so counting
Speaker 1: down the days until marje Wait. You and me both
Speaker 1: so incredible to have you here with us. We're so excited.
Speaker 1: And we also know that the first episode of Crime
Speaker 1: Scene Confidential covers all the details of the Casey Anthony
Speaker 1: case and Teddy and I obviously have a million questions,
Speaker 1: and I already see you NodD in your head. You're like, yes, okay, alright,
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're all on the same page already. And
Speaker 1: for those of you who may not know about the
Speaker 1: Keyley and Casey Anthony. Case Casey Anthony was the mother
Speaker 1: of Kaylee Anthony, who was missing for thirty one days
Speaker 1: and ultimately was found debt so. Casey Anthony was living
Speaker 1: in Orlando, Florida, with her maternal grandparents and Casey's mom
Speaker 1: and dad, Cindy and George Anthony. Cindy called the police
Speaker 1: on July fifteen, two eight to report Kaylee had been
Speaker 1: missing for thirty one days. An hour before her missing
Speaker 1: persons call, Cindy called nine one one, claimy she found
Speaker 1: her daughter's car, her daughter's Casey Anthony, and it smelled
Speaker 1: like there had been a dead body inside. Casey Anthony
Speaker 1: said she hadn't seen her daughter in weeks and didn't
Speaker 1: call because she had been looking for her and have
Speaker 1: gone through other resources to find her and was attempting
Speaker 1: to find her herself. Kaylee's skeletal remains were found with
Speaker 1: a blanket inside a laundry bag on December near the
Speaker 1: Anthony's family home. Okay, we can go through more details
Speaker 1: of the case, but I think first let's get a
Speaker 1: little more information about you. Why did you become a
Speaker 1: crime scene investigator? What in your life brought you to
Speaker 1: this moment? And there's so much on the Capricorn, I
Speaker 1: like on the beach and dead things with this tick
Speaker 1: to all capricorns enjoy that? Or is that just a
Speaker 1: spinoff from there? There's gonna be some studies They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to be done to confirm. But I can say
Speaker 1: that it's true for me. I can do that on Google.
Speaker 1: Right now, Let's get up home. Yeah, So does c
Speaker 1: S I stand for a Capricorn scene investigator? It does
Speaker 1: in this case. Uh so, all right, a little bit
Speaker 1: about my background. So my father had trained law enforcement
Speaker 1: for that was his business. He's an industrial organizational psychologist
Speaker 1: and they deal with kind of how police choose the
Speaker 1: best police to promote and get the right people for
Speaker 1: the right job. And I took an interest in in
Speaker 1: that job, and while I was in college, I went
Speaker 1: to work for him and trying to help pick the
Speaker 1: best police and trying to help them like write their
Speaker 1: resumes and prepare for promotional exams, and so part of
Speaker 1: what I was doing is helping write these promotional exams.
Speaker 1: So to write the tests, I had to take the
Speaker 1: general orders and standard operating procedures, and I always gravitated
Speaker 1: towards the crime scene ones and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna write a lot of questions about these. So I
Speaker 1: started studying them and I just went, this is what
Speaker 1: I want to do. And so I called the local
Speaker 1: sheriff's office in where I was living, which happened to
Speaker 1: be the Orange County Sheriff's Office, and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: what is it. What do you need to be a
Speaker 1: crime scene investigator? Because at that point in time, right
Speaker 1: c S, I like the shows and things were kind
Speaker 1: of starting to take off, but it was just a
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit before that, and they said,
Speaker 1: you know, this is what you need. You need to
Speaker 1: have this background in science, you need to have all this.
Speaker 1: And at that point in time, I had a bachelor's
Speaker 1: degree in communication, right, not kind of the ideal background
Speaker 1: to be a crime scene investigator, but I'm really stubborn,
Speaker 1: and so I said, all right, cool. So I went
Speaker 1: and I got a master's degree in criminal justice in
Speaker 1: three semesters because they said that's what it's gonna take.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, got it next, And I
Speaker 1: went and applied, and um, I got the job as
Speaker 1: a crime scene investigator. And I just knew that that
Speaker 1: was my path, right. I don't do well with injustice, um,
Speaker 1: and I always took it as a challenge. Every case
Speaker 1: that I worked was like, oh, you think you're going
Speaker 1: to do that to this person that I've never met.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter, right, it does not matter to me. That
Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with me. You know. I'd always read
Speaker 1: like the police reports and I'd be like, okay, a
Speaker 1: victim is there you Susan Jones? Oh not today. Not
Speaker 1: to this, Susan Jones. You're not right. And I thought,
Speaker 1: this is my job to find whatever the fingerprint the
Speaker 1: d NA, Like I took it as a personal assault
Speaker 1: that you think you're going to get away with this,
Speaker 1: And then I went no, because I'm going to be
Speaker 1: the one that's gonna find this whatever you left behind.
Speaker 1: You can't think you're smarter than me, Like, no, not today? Now?
Speaker 1: Is there a is there an issue with that? Because
Speaker 1: I've like a lot of people say, you can't get
Speaker 1: emotionally invested in cases, right, Yeah? Do you find that
Speaker 1: to be a problem or is that just something that
Speaker 1: obviously it spurred you on and it made you better
Speaker 1: at what you do. But is that a problem with
Speaker 1: some that they get too invested in No, I don't
Speaker 1: think so because to me, like I don't know that
Speaker 1: person in I just use that as my motivation, you know,
Speaker 1: to to do better at my job. And you know,
Speaker 1: just in the like global sense of injustice, right, I
Speaker 1: don't personally know the person or have any kind of
Speaker 1: motivation to help them in some way. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: as as time goes on, it gets harder because you
Speaker 1: know children, right, crimes against people like children and the
Speaker 1: elderly and these particularly vulnerable parts of the population, it
Speaker 1: makes it challenging. And there were many a time when
Speaker 1: I would drive to a crime scene, I would work
Speaker 1: my call, might work my case, and I would get
Speaker 1: in my van and I would cry the way back
Speaker 1: to the sheriff's office. Because we're human, right, There is
Speaker 1: no switch that you turn on or off when you
Speaker 1: go and you do your job, and that humanity is
Speaker 1: what also makes us good at our jobs. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody expects somebody to want to be
Speaker 1: motivated to do this job for a very little sum
Speaker 1: of money and not have some bigger purpose in life
Speaker 1: that humanity is. What does that for us? Is there
Speaker 1: a particular case that was the hardest for you that
Speaker 1: to separate between home life and yeah, Kaylee, right? And
Speaker 1: the reason and it's so hard is you know, I
Speaker 1: worked hundreds of homicide cases, and I've worked all kinds
Speaker 1: of death cases that are all challenging for different reasons,
Speaker 1: but this one was different because the whole world knew
Speaker 1: the victim. And you know, in these cases, you try
Speaker 1: to work and you try to separate, and you go
Speaker 1: home and you live your life and you try to
Speaker 1: leave it and unpack it. But how do you leave
Speaker 1: this case when the whole world is saying your victim's name,
Speaker 1: and the whole world is playing this video tape of
Speaker 1: this beautiful, little brown eyed girl singing to her grandmother
Speaker 1: and playing and every time you go home and you
Speaker 1: turn on the news, it's there, and you go to
Speaker 1: the store and it's on People magazine, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, there is no separation between your personal life
Speaker 1: and your life because the whole world knows and they're
Speaker 1: asking you about it everywhere you go, so that that
Speaker 1: line of separation becomes very blurry. And how many years
Speaker 1: later and we're still talking about it? Right? Is there
Speaker 1: any chance, like in any world, that Casey did not
Speaker 1: do this? You know? I think it's the hard part
Speaker 1: for people is I don't think anybody doubts there's involvement. Right.
Speaker 1: As an investigator, we look at not only what we have,
Speaker 1: but what we do not have, right, so we have
Speaker 1: to say scientifically, we have the crime scene being located
Speaker 1: very near to the house. We have the car that
Speaker 1: belongs to her that is involved. We have duct tape
Speaker 1: similar brand, you know, our same brands found in the house.
Speaker 1: We have the bag that she is in, a matching
Speaker 1: bag that's in the house. The clothing that she is in,
Speaker 1: we have pictures of her wearing that. We also have
Speaker 1: pictures and family albums, so this is not clothing that
Speaker 1: she's been dressed by a stranger. The diapers that she's
Speaker 1: in are the same brand that has been purchased by
Speaker 1: the house. All of these things indicate. The blanket is
Speaker 1: Winnie the Pooh, it's the same, you know. The way
Speaker 1: that her crib has been decorated in the house. The
Speaker 1: totality of the evidence that we look at. These are
Speaker 1: all things that bring us back towards the Anthony residence
Speaker 1: when we look at what we don't have, because that
Speaker 1: is just as important as what we do have. What
Speaker 1: we don't have is evidence of third party involvement in
Speaker 1: that entirety of what I listed. Do we have a
Speaker 1: car that belongs to a stranger. Do we have fingerprints
Speaker 1: or DNA that give us an idea that the child
Speaker 1: has been kidnapped or been in the care of somebody else.
Speaker 1: If a child is kidnapped and under the care in
Speaker 1: the care of somebody for thirty days missing, we would
Speaker 1: expect to see clothing that they had to purchase at
Speaker 1: a target, at a Walmart somewhere on the road on
Speaker 1: the one that does not match. But she's in clothing
Speaker 1: that has been worn by the family, been bought by
Speaker 1: the family. If she's in the care of a stranger
Speaker 1: for thirty days, you have to buy diapers. You have
Speaker 1: to buy something when you're on the run on the road.
Speaker 1: But she's in diapers that are the same brand that
Speaker 1: is purchased by the family. So we need to look
Speaker 1: at what we have and what we don't have. What
Speaker 1: we don't have is evidence of third party involvement. And
Speaker 1: sorry to monopolize this guy. I have another question because
Speaker 1: what I have never understood about this case is when
Speaker 1: Casey leaves her home for those thirty one days and
Speaker 1: Kaylee has meant missing. If we're supposed to believe that
Speaker 1: you know, Kayley did go missing, where is the boyfriend
Speaker 1: thinking that Kayley is for thirty one days that she's
Speaker 1: staying at and where do her parents? I think that
Speaker 1: Casey is that's when you have to look at a
Speaker 1: pattern of behavior, and there's a pattern of behavior that
Speaker 1: she tells a lot of stories to a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and that this is not a typical behavior for her
Speaker 1: to tell, you know, group A that I'm with B
Speaker 1: and tell group B that I'm with group A. So
Speaker 1: people don't ask a lot of questions, and it's just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be a typical behavior for her to
Speaker 1: tell stories to people, and they don't seem to question this. Well,
Speaker 1: she's such a pathological lie. She lies about everything. She
Speaker 1: lies about still having a job working at Universal, she
Speaker 1: lies about her boyfriend's mom having cancer, like all these
Speaker 1: weird little details and then they never meet the families
Speaker 1: and then saying that she dropped Kayleie off with Zanny
Speaker 1: the nanny who and this is a real person who
Speaker 1: doesn't even know the family and it had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with this. You know. Somebody even said that they
Speaker 1: thought Zanni meant zan X, right. It was a it
Speaker 1: was a theory that was was tossed around. Did she
Speaker 1: you know, was there evidence that she drugged the child?
Speaker 1: And then dropping her off with Zanny was you know,
Speaker 1: a key phrase for giving her a xan X and
Speaker 1: kind of letting her sleep it off or something. And
Speaker 1: then you have to look at her behavior. And I
Speaker 1: saw um when you were talking when somebody when Leah
Speaker 1: was reading doing the intro and she said she was
Speaker 1: she says she was looking for her, and you did
Speaker 1: your air quotes with your fingers. So it's it's like,
Speaker 1: for that amount of time, you didn't contact anybody, so
Speaker 1: I was looking for on my own. But then she
Speaker 1: also went out and that was partying in this and
Speaker 1: at a time it's it's kind of I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that falls into that category of what you have
Speaker 1: and what you don't have, and when you watch someone's behavior,
Speaker 1: like if if anyone thought anyone's sane or anyone that
Speaker 1: I know thought that their kid was missing. That's not
Speaker 1: the behavior that says, hey, I have nothing to do
Speaker 1: with this, help me out. So what you're going to
Speaker 1: be very interested to see in the first episode of
Speaker 1: Crime Seemed Confidential that we have not seen before is
Speaker 1: that I'm going to sit down and speak with not
Speaker 1: only Cindy, but we're we're gonna see that I sit
Speaker 1: down and speak with Dorothy Clay Sims, which is her
Speaker 1: defense attorney, which we have never spoken too before, and
Speaker 1: Dorothy is going to offer up some explanations for Casey's
Speaker 1: behavior that maybe people haven't given much thought to. HM.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'll just if someone is a pathological liar.
Speaker 1: I know lie detector tests aren't necessarily accurate, but can
Speaker 1: they pass Lie detector tests if they are pathological? The
Speaker 1: thing about lie detector tests is that they're they're not
Speaker 1: to begin with and uh and even lie detector tests,
Speaker 1: it depends. The modern day lie detector tests is called
Speaker 1: a voice stress analysis, So they now look at the
Speaker 1: pattern and the changes in your voice and the stress
Speaker 1: that that enables. So we don't even do the old
Speaker 1: school where they kind of hook up the wires around
Speaker 1: your chest that you've seen kind of in old school
Speaker 1: police movies. Now they do voice stress analysis, but they
Speaker 1: kind of some of the things that I looked up,
Speaker 1: and not that this really means anything. I have said
Speaker 1: that there was something that happened inside of the house,
Speaker 1: inside of that family house, that all that her dad
Speaker 1: knows about, that her mom knows about. Do you think
Speaker 1: there's any truth to that. I don't have any scientific
Speaker 1: evidence of anything of that nature. Right, There's not gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of theories that get thrown about, but
Speaker 1: I don't have any scientific evidence that would support that.
Speaker 1: And I think that is the theme of this show,
Speaker 1: and that's what I encourage people to focus on, because,
Speaker 1: especially with this case, there's so much emotional involvement in attachment,
Speaker 1: especially when we see a child involved. Everybody gets so
Speaker 1: emotionally invested in this, and the tendency is to want
Speaker 1: to follow a narrative, and no matter what we talk about,
Speaker 1: there are narratives in this case, and there's narratives that
Speaker 1: are that are portrayed by the defense, and there are
Speaker 1: narratives that are portrayed by the prosecution. There are narratives
Speaker 1: that are portrayed by the media, and we immediately, because
Speaker 1: we're humans, we jump up and we want to follow
Speaker 1: a narrative and we go, yes that and we we
Speaker 1: follow that path. What physic iCal evidence does is it
Speaker 1: doesn't follow a narrative. It simply is. And what I
Speaker 1: encourage people to do that and that's the beauty of
Speaker 1: forensic science, and that's the beauty of crime scene confidential
Speaker 1: is we are going to follow the evidence and the
Speaker 1: forensic science behind it, and we're gonna say, okay, uh,
Speaker 1: we're not. We're not gonna fall prey to following a narrative.
Speaker 1: We're going to look at the evidence and you're gonna
Speaker 1: follow it from my perspective from a crime scene perspective, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, is new. We have never ever had
Speaker 1: a crime show before that has looked at from a
Speaker 1: crime scene investigator's perspective. We've seen dramatization of crime scene before,
Speaker 1: but we've never seen real deal from the evidence perspective,
Speaker 1: from a crime scene point of view. We're gonna follow
Speaker 1: this and we're not we're la la la la, Not
Speaker 1: I not following the narrative. We're following crime scene facts
Speaker 1: and then allow people to look at the totality of evidence,
Speaker 1: not what I call cafeteria style. We don't take our
Speaker 1: trade down and go oh yeah, I'll take that, and
Speaker 1: I'll take is, and I'll build a narrative built upon
Speaker 1: the things that support my belief. No. No, we're gonna
Speaker 1: look at the evidence and the totality of the evidence
Speaker 1: and what does that support, not a narrative. This feels
Speaker 1: very reminiscent of the John ben Ay Ramsey case in
Speaker 1: that the public wanted to form a narrative. And well,
Speaker 1: I guess my other question. I mean, I have so
Speaker 1: many questions for you, But I was actually talking about
Speaker 1: the narrative that they've been saying that she potentially drowned
Speaker 1: in the pool. No way to prove or disprove that theory.
Speaker 1: And he also knows that the case being in Florida,
Speaker 1: everybody in Florida is used to hearing on the news
Speaker 1: very tragically. But because we have so many bodies of
Speaker 1: water and so many people in Florida have pools, it
Speaker 1: is not uncommon to hear on the news that we
Speaker 1: have drownings very frequently in Florida. Because Toddler's come, you know,
Speaker 1: come out and drown in pools. The main difference that
Speaker 1: we have is I have worked very many drownings of toddler's.
Speaker 1: What I assure you does not happen is that when
Speaker 1: you discover a drowned child in a pool, what a
Speaker 1: parent does. No matter in what state you find your child,
Speaker 1: you always have hope something you can save my child.
Speaker 1: If the child is at the bottom of the pool
Speaker 1: and is blue, you jump in, you pull the child out,
Speaker 1: You call nine one one, and you think a medical
Speaker 1: miracle will save my child. The paramedics will come, they
Speaker 1: will bring them back, they'll take them to the hospital,
Speaker 1: they will save them, they will do something. In one
Speaker 1: of the child drownings that I have worked was called
Speaker 1: what you do not do is go, oh, well, guess
Speaker 1: I'll bagger upright well, And that's the disconnect. That's the
Speaker 1: disconnect because at what point do you think, and it
Speaker 1: goes to onto the Scott Peterson's of the world and
Speaker 1: all these people, at what point do you think what
Speaker 1: you're doing is better than than the really the easiest route.
Speaker 1: If if that was the case, you call and you
Speaker 1: say there was an accident, and then you go from there.
Speaker 1: If got Peterson wants to get a divorceing. Excuse my,
Speaker 1: but get a divorce right, So we don't We can't
Speaker 1: explain the mental thought process here if it were an accident,
Speaker 1: why the first thought was cover up the behavior rather
Speaker 1: than call and report it if it were a drowning.
Speaker 1: Because scientifically we can say what happened. We can talk
Speaker 1: about postmortem root banding and having a deceased body that
Speaker 1: is mitochondreally linked to Casey in the car. But what
Speaker 1: scientifically I cannot explain is intent. What about did you?
Speaker 1: Was there ever any information on who Kyley's actual father is?
Speaker 1: Because I saw something that said two of the guys
Speaker 1: that they assumed could potentially be her father both died
Speaker 1: in a car crash. But is that the same car crash?
Speaker 1: What are the chances that two people, well it wasn't
Speaker 1: father also in a car crash and that's when they
Speaker 1: reconnected George was involved in a car crash. You're no,
Speaker 1: but this Two of the guys that they said the
Speaker 1: potential father's potential fathers both died in the car crash.
Speaker 1: Sorry I didn't say that probably died. Okay, So they
Speaker 1: still don't know who her dad is. I don't know
Speaker 1: who knows who the father is I don't personally know
Speaker 1: who it was. Well, so, what are your thoughts in
Speaker 1: the fact of the googling of chloroform and then the
Speaker 1: theory that she possibly over chloroformed her daughter. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a it's another theory. Uh, I can't you know,
Speaker 1: I know that I can't remember if we address that
Speaker 1: on the on an episode one or not. But it's
Speaker 1: it's um so hard to say. There's there's so many
Speaker 1: pieces of evidence out there that again, you know, science
Speaker 1: can lead people to make a logical conclusion. We can
Speaker 1: provide all of the evidence in the world scientifically speaking,
Speaker 1: but ultimately, in our justice system, jurors will still be
Speaker 1: charged with making a conclusion upon that evidence. You know,
Speaker 1: we're not always and very rarely going to have confessions
Speaker 1: and video tapes of crimes, or we wouldn't need a
Speaker 1: jury to make a decision. So all we can do
Speaker 1: as investigators is have evidence, provide that evidence, and trust
Speaker 1: people to make a decision. And And what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Casey potentially writing a book that's the rumor
Speaker 1: now that she is. I have learned over my years
Speaker 1: of investigation and being a human that I am only
Speaker 1: responsible for what I do, and I sleep very well
Speaker 1: at night, and I can't be responsible for what other
Speaker 1: people do and how they sleep at night. I will
Speaker 1: say this, I try very hard to refer to this
Speaker 1: case as the Kaylee Anthony case because we need to
Speaker 1: be very victim centric and ensure that we keep the
Speaker 1: memory of our victims alive and not give attention two
Speaker 1: suspects and then and give more attention to our victims.
Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I just have one more question because it has been
Speaker 1: weighing on me. It's very confusing. So Ray Kronk suggested
Speaker 1: that they the police searched the area, the wooded area
Speaker 1: less than half a mile from the Anthony's home, and
Speaker 1: then the bones are found. Right, does this at all
Speaker 1: seems suspicious? No, that if you know Florida and if
Speaker 1: you know that area, that area is kind of a
Speaker 1: slope off of the road. It's very heavily tread, heavily vined.
Speaker 1: There was poison ivy, it floods. We had hurricane season,
Speaker 1: so it would flood and recede. It wasn't always easily accessible.
Speaker 1: So to me that you know, it's almost one of
Speaker 1: those areas that you can tell somebody to search three
Speaker 1: times and they probably wouldn't find the same thing, you know,
Speaker 1: three times in a row. So it's not necessarily suspicious
Speaker 1: to me. It just depends on the observational skills of
Speaker 1: the individual that's sent out there to search. Okay, And
Speaker 1: unfortunately we do have to wrap for today, But do
Speaker 1: you have any final thoughts that you wanted to share
Speaker 1: with us well the show or yeah, anything. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: I will say is, you know, while the first episode
Speaker 1: focuses on this case, which everybody obviously is you know,
Speaker 1: probably more familiar with, the rest of the series goes
Speaker 1: around the United States and we look at some other
Speaker 1: really controversial cases that deal with you know, shocking cases,
Speaker 1: shocking deaths, shocking injustices, some shocking betrayals. And I think
Speaker 1: that I mean, as a veteran c S I when
Speaker 1: I reviewed all of these cases, I am just absolutely
Speaker 1: blown away. And I know that our viewers are just
Speaker 1: going to be so excited about this, about this show.
Speaker 1: It's totally new. I can't wait. I know you're gonna
Speaker 1: love episode one, but they honestly get so good throughout
Speaker 1: the entire series. Well, you've got me hooked already. I
Speaker 1: mean everything you said. Wait, I was like this the
Speaker 1: whole time you were talking, like I honestly forgot her.
Speaker 1: We love your hair. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: us today. Thank you for having me. We'll see March Finalina,
Speaker 1: thank you all right, thank you so much. That was
Speaker 1: so smart how she said about calling it the case
Speaker 1: about the victims. I don't know why that never processed
Speaker 1: for me. I mean I was probably still called the
Speaker 1: Casey Anthony case because I'm an idiot. But but it's
Speaker 1: interesting because that's so true. Um, you know, like we
Speaker 1: call it the John benn A Ramsey case. We don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: either way. I loved her. I loved how matters of
Speaker 1: fact she was. I loved how she didn't waiver when
Speaker 1: we would try to act. We would come up with
Speaker 1: our theories like she's like no, she's like she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm following the science pitches and were like, could easily
Speaker 1: be a prosecutor as well. She's so smart and so cool.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch the show me either. I
Speaker 1: know we have a lot going on with you, you know,
Speaker 1: auditioning for the news and dming with Chris Womo allegedly,
Speaker 1: but um, do you want to close this out and
Speaker 1: sing the song one final time. Oh thank god I
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Speaker 1: from sometimes to Matri. That is a hack. I'm about
Speaker 1: to go get that Instagram handle right now. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: everyone a safe, stay healthy. I'm broken. Is happening well, y'all?
Speaker 1: Will the real Chris Cuomo please DM me? Maybe bye
Speaker 1: bye by? It's real time grad real time gro I mean,
Speaker 1: is it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything or
Speaker 1: is that just the thing we say, it's a thing
Speaker 1: we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for
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