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Speaker 1: Crime and hello social Sluice and welcome back to another

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Speaker 1: amazing episode of Real Time Crime. I'm your host, Lee Lamar,

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Speaker 1: and I have with me my amazing co host, Teddy Mellencamp,

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Speaker 1: and we've got, of course are sometimes Dmitri. Hello. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I am a little concerned because Teddy didn't take as

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Speaker 1: long as a beat before her name, which means she's

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Speaker 1: sitting on something hot. I am sitting on something so hot.

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Speaker 1: I can't even wait until the hot topics because this

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Speaker 1: is this is, this is flaming topics. So last night

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Speaker 1: I stayed at past my bedtime just to text. I

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Speaker 1: almost thought it was a fake Teddy mellon Camp. I

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Speaker 1: was so invested. If you know Teddy, you know she

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Speaker 1: wakes up at five am to go for a run,

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Speaker 1: and I'm usually going to sleep at five am, all right,

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Speaker 1: But last night I got a text message from our

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Speaker 1: very only a Lamar here about someone that slid into

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Speaker 1: her d M S drum pro Chris Cuomo. Dmitri's face

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Speaker 1: immediately felt to a frown. No, I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: a frown. It's I'm concerned as to what was said. Well,

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Speaker 1: what we're trying to descipher and I'm all at Leah

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Speaker 1: speaking for herself in a second, but I just you know,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to close that she's definitely going to talk

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Speaker 1: about it. I need her to read through some of

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Speaker 1: these damns back and forth because we are trying to

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Speaker 1: decipher if it we know it's from his Instagram account.

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Speaker 1: We have decipher that. But what we need to know

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Speaker 1: the crime of today is is this a hacker or

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Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo. All I'm gonna say, and then Leah you

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Speaker 1: take it from here, is the punctuation is a real

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Speaker 1: problem for me. Okay. So Chris Cuomo follows me on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: already followed you or just followed you, just followed me,

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Speaker 1: and thank you to me to for asking the important details. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a lot of questions. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you that already. Oh I'm certain that. Okay. So Monday

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Speaker 1: morning six four am, which East Coast time schedule yet precisely,

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Speaker 1: So I guess he hasn't really done his research on

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Speaker 1: me the hacker or Chris Cuomo. Okay, So it says

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Speaker 1: I'm doing a deep dive on what generates games with

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Speaker 1: his z on this and other platforms. You are missing

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Speaker 1: an algorithm element I can explain. I am a fan

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Speaker 1: period of your stand up and podcast, no period, I

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Speaker 1: heard it said. I said, is this Chris or a hacker?

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Speaker 1: Either way, go on Cuomo and they said, and thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'll be coming an NYC soon if you want to

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Speaker 1: come see a live show. He said, it is Chris Cuomo.

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Speaker 1: No one else wants to be me dot dot dot

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Speaker 1: right now, no punctuation. Well, that leads me to believe

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Speaker 1: it's true. There's more. This just isn't stop here. That

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Speaker 1: would have kept me out past. Here's the thing, because

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Speaker 1: he said right now, If he just said no one

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Speaker 1: else wants to be me, I would have leaned towards hacker.

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Speaker 1: When he said right now, leads me to believe it.

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Speaker 1: But it gets worse. Okay, your followers likely jumped because

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Speaker 1: the content generate a spike that triggered an algorithm that

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Speaker 1: increases placement. I ha ha on it. And then he said,

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Speaker 1: and your podcast is interesting. How did you get involved

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Speaker 1: with crime? I took a beat. Also, you have to

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Speaker 1: tell us she made it restricted so he couldn't see

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Speaker 1: how quickly she read them. Okay, good call. So then,

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Speaker 1: which was immediately So then I said, I'm headlining Caroline

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Speaker 1: some seats. I mean, I just got to know if

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Speaker 1: this is the real Chris Cuomo, you know. But also

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Speaker 1: I'm very interested in finding out the truth. Slash have

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Speaker 1: had some mysteries in my family that left me unsettled,

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Speaker 1: and I've always wanted to find answers or have a

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Speaker 1: conjugal visit. Who's to say, oh, because I wanted to

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Speaker 1: Then then at this point, I say, Leah, I need

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Speaker 1: you to send a voice note and we need him

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Speaker 1: to get to a voice note back because we need

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Speaker 1: to confirm or deny if this is Chris or like,

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Speaker 1: I'm just calling Chris now, my buddy Chris. Um, So

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Speaker 1: she sent a voice note. She sent a voice note,

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Speaker 1: but then he didn't listen to the voice note and

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Speaker 1: he just didn't respond with a voice note. Oh so

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Speaker 1: it's been played now, Yeah, he played it, okay. So

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Speaker 1: so I also sent you a late night message that

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Speaker 1: if she's still awake, this is a fake Teddy. Now,

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Speaker 1: ahead just a couple of sentences, but basically he says,

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Speaker 1: wants to know what works on the podcast. Um, and

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Speaker 1: he asked how the podcast does, and I said, the

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Speaker 1: pod does right. And this is when I leave a

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Speaker 1: voice note, and I say, Chris, be honest, are you

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Speaker 1: know what, I'll even play the voice note, Chris, to

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Speaker 1: too busy. You just had to say I was driving

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Speaker 1: to a show, Teddy okay, And he says, no, what

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Speaker 1: does great mean? Why am I asking? Because I'm getting

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Speaker 1: a feel for the space. No, No, there's there's more.

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Speaker 1: So I say, well, I was gonna say you're welcome

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Speaker 1: to come on. This is no insult, no no offense

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Speaker 1: to us. But if Chris Cuomo wants to do research

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Speaker 1: on pods, he has other options. But even then, if

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Speaker 1: it's a hacker, like to what does this hacker want you?

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Speaker 1: You have to then continue on. Okay, So then I

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Speaker 1: say what do you I say, what do you want

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Speaker 1: to know about specifically? And then he said thanks, because

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Speaker 1: let me go back. I said, well, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say you're welcome to come on. What do you want

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Speaker 1: to know about? Specific He said thank you as a purpose?

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Speaker 1: How many downloads a week per month? And then I

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Speaker 1: At this point I say, do not give your credit

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Speaker 1: card information. I don't, and don't tell them you like

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Speaker 1: your childhood pet's name if you ask for that. Don't

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Speaker 1: tell him your PIN number. We know you Lee, You're

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Speaker 1: gonna cough it all up. Don't tell him anything, and

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Speaker 1: everyone knows my password is one to three four Lelah.

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Speaker 1: That's actually mine too. But anyway, so that's the story

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Speaker 1: of how we almost got Chris Cuomo on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: But then I had to go take matters into my

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Speaker 1: the things. I spent hours researching him after this um,

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Speaker 1: should Instagram just sometimes I should. Yeah, you should sometimes, Dmitri,

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Speaker 1: maybe more people would follow you. Well, okay, So then

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Speaker 1: I said to Teddy, I think the only reason he

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Speaker 1: that's when Teddy checked to see if Chris Cuoma was

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Speaker 1: give him all my bitcoin. In fairness, you do weekly

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Speaker 1: talk about wanting to hook up with cons and conjugal visits,

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Speaker 1: and I mean, you do that interest, So yeah, go on,

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Speaker 1: Teddy SR your voice cracked. I am a prepubescent boy,

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Speaker 1: so that checks out. I mean, if I'm a hacker

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Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, Teddy's talking about her husband putting

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Speaker 1: in a big security system, and You're like, I would

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Speaker 1: love to hook up with a felon. So if I'm

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Speaker 1: if I'm narrowing it down to who's an easier target, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's you. I've always imagined if a robber was in

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Speaker 1: just listening to my comedy sets out loud, just being like, LEYO,

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Speaker 1: what y'a do today? You know, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: someone was up late watching old Chris Pombo videos. I

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Speaker 1: think we need to ask one additional question of Chris. Okay,

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Speaker 1: which is your favorite episode of the pod? I thought

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Speaker 1: Seinfeld character, which would it be? Who does everyone choose?

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Speaker 1: Other than the smoldering topic we just had. Today, we're

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Speaker 1: from the Scott Peterson case. And finally, we have an

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Speaker 1: can't read. Um. Heist on the set of The Crown

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Speaker 1: the production was shooting nearby. Over three items were taken

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Speaker 1: you think this was an inside job? What did they

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Speaker 1: think they're difficult to sell because they're not in great condition,

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Speaker 1: one that stole the items, right, I would think so,

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Speaker 1: And I know, you know, didn't Netflix say they Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just think, you know, it's definitely an inside job,

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Speaker 1: he was in the red jumpsuit. I'm just wondering if

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Speaker 1: he could come to trial with frosted tips might make

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Speaker 1: him more likable. I'm also I don't want to know

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Speaker 1: the obvious if you think he's attractive. UM. On that note,

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Speaker 1: we should take a little break before we bring in

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Speaker 1: our very special guest. Let's cut her off with a

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Speaker 1: break real quick before she answers that wait is that

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Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo? Okay, yeah, and we're back. Guys, hope you

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Speaker 1: didn't commit any crimes in the commercial break. You're listening

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Speaker 1: to Real Time Crime. I'm Leo Lamar. We've got Teddy

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Speaker 1: Mellencamp here sometimes Dmitri, and we finally have our incredible

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Speaker 1: guests for today that we are all so excited about. You. Guys,

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Speaker 1: our guest has investigated some of the country's most shocking crimes,

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Speaker 1: having served as a c s I for the Orange

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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office on the investigation into the tragic two

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Speaker 1: th eight death of toddler Kaylee Anthon me and worked

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Speaker 1: as part of an emergency community response to identify the

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Speaker 1: victims of the Pulse nightclub tragedy. She is the host

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Speaker 1: and star of the new show crime Scene Confidential on

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Speaker 1: I D. It follows her as she utilizes her scientific

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Speaker 1: expertise to revisit some of America's most shocking and controversial

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00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: cases by exploring the complexity surrounding each item of forensic evidence,

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00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: navigating the tactics used by the prosecution and the defense,

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00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: and speaking with central figures in the case, whether they're

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Speaker 1: the victims of the loved ones or the convicted perpetrators themselves.

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Speaker 1: She strives to bring clarity and closure to those who

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Speaker 1: feel the immeasurable loss of these horrific crimes. And today

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Speaker 1: we have with us our wonderful guests Elena Burrows. Hi, Lena, Hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. We're so counting

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Speaker 1: down the days until marje Wait. You and me both

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Speaker 1: so incredible to have you here with us. We're so excited.

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Speaker 1: And we also know that the first episode of Crime

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Speaker 1: Scene Confidential covers all the details of the Casey Anthony

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Speaker 1: case and Teddy and I obviously have a million questions,

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Speaker 1: and I already see you NodD in your head. You're like, yes, okay, alright,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we're all on the same page already. And

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Speaker 1: for those of you who may not know about the

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Speaker 1: Keyley and Casey Anthony. Case Casey Anthony was the mother

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Speaker 1: of Kaylee Anthony, who was missing for thirty one days

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Speaker 1: and ultimately was found debt so. Casey Anthony was living

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Speaker 1: in Orlando, Florida, with her maternal grandparents and Casey's mom

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Speaker 1: and dad, Cindy and George Anthony. Cindy called the police

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Speaker 1: on July fifteen, two eight to report Kaylee had been

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Speaker 1: missing for thirty one days. An hour before her missing

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Speaker 1: persons call, Cindy called nine one one, claimy she found

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Speaker 1: her daughter's car, her daughter's Casey Anthony, and it smelled

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Speaker 1: like there had been a dead body inside. Casey Anthony

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Speaker 1: said she hadn't seen her daughter in weeks and didn't

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Speaker 1: call because she had been looking for her and have

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Speaker 1: gone through other resources to find her and was attempting

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Speaker 1: to find her herself. Kaylee's skeletal remains were found with

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Speaker 1: a blanket inside a laundry bag on December near the

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Speaker 1: Anthony's family home. Okay, we can go through more details

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Speaker 1: of the case, but I think first let's get a

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Speaker 1: little more information about you. Why did you become a

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Speaker 1: crime scene investigator? What in your life brought you to

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Speaker 1: this moment? And there's so much on the Capricorn, I

482
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Speaker 1: like on the beach and dead things with this tick

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Speaker 1: to all capricorns enjoy that? Or is that just a

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Speaker 1: spinoff from there? There's gonna be some studies They're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to be done to confirm. But I can say

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Speaker 1: that it's true for me. I can do that on Google.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Let's get up home. Yeah, So does c

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Speaker 1: S I stand for a Capricorn scene investigator? It does

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Speaker 1: in this case. Uh so, all right, a little bit

490
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: about my background. So my father had trained law enforcement

491
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: for that was his business. He's an industrial organizational psychologist

492
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Speaker 1: and they deal with kind of how police choose the

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Speaker 1: best police to promote and get the right people for

494
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Speaker 1: the right job. And I took an interest in in

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Speaker 1: that job, and while I was in college, I went

496
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Speaker 1: to work for him and trying to help pick the

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Speaker 1: best police and trying to help them like write their

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Speaker 1: resumes and prepare for promotional exams, and so part of

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Speaker 1: what I was doing is helping write these promotional exams.

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Speaker 1: So to write the tests, I had to take the

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Speaker 1: general orders and standard operating procedures, and I always gravitated

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Speaker 1: towards the crime scene ones and I was like, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna write a lot of questions about these. So I

504
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Speaker 1: started studying them and I just went, this is what

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Speaker 1: I want to do. And so I called the local

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Speaker 1: sheriff's office in where I was living, which happened to

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Speaker 1: be the Orange County Sheriff's Office, and I said, hey,

508
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Speaker 1: what is it. What do you need to be a

509
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Speaker 1: crime scene investigator? Because at that point in time, right

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Speaker 1: c S, I like the shows and things were kind

511
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: of starting to take off, but it was just a

512
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit before that, and they said,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is what you need. You need to

514
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Speaker 1: have this background in science, you need to have all this.

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Speaker 1: And at that point in time, I had a bachelor's

516
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: degree in communication, right, not kind of the ideal background

517
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Speaker 1: to be a crime scene investigator, but I'm really stubborn,

518
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: and so I said, all right, cool. So I went

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Speaker 1: and I got a master's degree in criminal justice in

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Speaker 1: three semesters because they said that's what it's gonna take.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, got it next, And I

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Speaker 1: went and applied, and um, I got the job as

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Speaker 1: a crime scene investigator. And I just knew that that

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Speaker 1: was my path, right. I don't do well with injustice, um,

525
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: and I always took it as a challenge. Every case

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Speaker 1: that I worked was like, oh, you think you're going

527
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: to do that to this person that I've never met.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter, right, it does not matter to me. That

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00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with me. You know. I'd always read

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00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: like the police reports and I'd be like, okay, a

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Speaker 1: victim is there you Susan Jones? Oh not today. Not

532
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: to this, Susan Jones. You're not right. And I thought,

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Speaker 1: this is my job to find whatever the fingerprint the

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Speaker 1: d NA, Like I took it as a personal assault

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Speaker 1: that you think you're going to get away with this,

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Speaker 1: And then I went no, because I'm going to be

537
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Speaker 1: the one that's gonna find this whatever you left behind.

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Speaker 1: You can't think you're smarter than me, Like, no, not today? Now?

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Speaker 1: Is there a is there an issue with that? Because

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Speaker 1: I've like a lot of people say, you can't get

541
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: emotionally invested in cases, right, Yeah? Do you find that

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00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: to be a problem or is that just something that

543
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: obviously it spurred you on and it made you better

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Speaker 1: at what you do. But is that a problem with

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00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: some that they get too invested in No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think so because to me, like I don't know that

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Speaker 1: person in I just use that as my motivation, you know,

548
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: to to do better at my job. And you know,

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00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: just in the like global sense of injustice, right, I

550
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: don't personally know the person or have any kind of

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00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: motivation to help them in some way. Um. You know,

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00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: as as time goes on, it gets harder because you

553
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: know children, right, crimes against people like children and the

554
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: elderly and these particularly vulnerable parts of the population, it

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00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: makes it challenging. And there were many a time when

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Speaker 1: I would drive to a crime scene, I would work

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00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: my call, might work my case, and I would get

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Speaker 1: in my van and I would cry the way back

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Speaker 1: to the sheriff's office. Because we're human, right, There is

560
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: no switch that you turn on or off when you

561
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: go and you do your job, and that humanity is

562
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: what also makes us good at our jobs. You know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody expects somebody to want to be

564
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Speaker 1: motivated to do this job for a very little sum

565
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: of money and not have some bigger purpose in life

566
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Speaker 1: that humanity is. What does that for us? Is there

567
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: a particular case that was the hardest for you that

568
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: to separate between home life and yeah, Kaylee, right? And

569
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Speaker 1: the reason and it's so hard is you know, I

570
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: worked hundreds of homicide cases, and I've worked all kinds

571
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: of death cases that are all challenging for different reasons,

572
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: but this one was different because the whole world knew

573
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: the victim. And you know, in these cases, you try

574
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Speaker 1: to work and you try to separate, and you go

575
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: home and you live your life and you try to

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00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: leave it and unpack it. But how do you leave

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00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: this case when the whole world is saying your victim's name,

578
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: and the whole world is playing this video tape of

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Speaker 1: this beautiful, little brown eyed girl singing to her grandmother

580
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: and playing and every time you go home and you

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00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: turn on the news, it's there, and you go to

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Speaker 1: the store and it's on People magazine, and all of

583
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, there is no separation between your personal life

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00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: and your life because the whole world knows and they're

585
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: asking you about it everywhere you go, so that that

586
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: line of separation becomes very blurry. And how many years

587
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: later and we're still talking about it? Right? Is there

588
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: any chance, like in any world, that Casey did not

589
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: do this? You know? I think it's the hard part

590
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: for people is I don't think anybody doubts there's involvement. Right.

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00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: As an investigator, we look at not only what we have,

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00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: but what we do not have, right, so we have

593
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: to say scientifically, we have the crime scene being located

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00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: very near to the house. We have the car that

595
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: belongs to her that is involved. We have duct tape

596
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: similar brand, you know, our same brands found in the house.

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00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: We have the bag that she is in, a matching

598
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: bag that's in the house. The clothing that she is in,

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00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: we have pictures of her wearing that. We also have

600
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: pictures and family albums, so this is not clothing that

601
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: she's been dressed by a stranger. The diapers that she's

602
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: in are the same brand that has been purchased by

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00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: the house. All of these things indicate. The blanket is

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00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: Winnie the Pooh, it's the same, you know. The way

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00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: that her crib has been decorated in the house. The

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00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: totality of the evidence that we look at. These are

607
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: all things that bring us back towards the Anthony residence

608
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: when we look at what we don't have, because that

609
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: is just as important as what we do have. What

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00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: we don't have is evidence of third party involvement in

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00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: that entirety of what I listed. Do we have a

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00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: car that belongs to a stranger. Do we have fingerprints

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00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: or DNA that give us an idea that the child

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00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: has been kidnapped or been in the care of somebody else.

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00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: If a child is kidnapped and under the care in

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Speaker 1: the care of somebody for thirty days missing, we would

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Speaker 1: expect to see clothing that they had to purchase at

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Speaker 1: a target, at a Walmart somewhere on the road on

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Speaker 1: the one that does not match. But she's in clothing

620
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: that has been worn by the family, been bought by

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Speaker 1: the family. If she's in the care of a stranger

622
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: for thirty days, you have to buy diapers. You have

623
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: to buy something when you're on the run on the road.

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00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: But she's in diapers that are the same brand that

625
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: is purchased by the family. So we need to look

626
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: at what we have and what we don't have. What

627
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: we don't have is evidence of third party involvement. And

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00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: sorry to monopolize this guy. I have another question because

629
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: what I have never understood about this case is when

630
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: Casey leaves her home for those thirty one days and

631
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: Kaylee has meant missing. If we're supposed to believe that

632
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, Kayley did go missing, where is the boyfriend

633
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: thinking that Kayley is for thirty one days that she's

634
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: staying at and where do her parents? I think that

635
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: Casey is that's when you have to look at a

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00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: pattern of behavior, and there's a pattern of behavior that

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00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: she tells a lot of stories to a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: and that this is not a typical behavior for her

639
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: to tell, you know, group A that I'm with B

640
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: and tell group B that I'm with group A. So

641
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: people don't ask a lot of questions, and it's just

642
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be a typical behavior for her to

643
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: tell stories to people, and they don't seem to question this. Well,

644
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: she's such a pathological lie. She lies about everything. She

645
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: lies about still having a job working at Universal, she

646
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: lies about her boyfriend's mom having cancer, like all these

647
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: weird little details and then they never meet the families

648
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: and then saying that she dropped Kayleie off with Zanny

649
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: the nanny who and this is a real person who

650
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: doesn't even know the family and it had nothing to

651
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: do with this. You know. Somebody even said that they

652
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: thought Zanni meant zan X, right. It was a it

653
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: was a theory that was was tossed around. Did she

654
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, was there evidence that she drugged the child?

655
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: And then dropping her off with Zanny was you know,

656
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: a key phrase for giving her a xan X and

657
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: kind of letting her sleep it off or something. And

658
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: then you have to look at her behavior. And I

659
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: saw um when you were talking when somebody when Leah

660
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: was reading doing the intro and she said she was

661
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: she says she was looking for her, and you did

662
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: your air quotes with your fingers. So it's it's like,

663
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: for that amount of time, you didn't contact anybody, so

664
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: I was looking for on my own. But then she

665
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: also went out and that was partying in this and

666
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: at a time it's it's kind of I mean, I

667
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: think that falls into that category of what you have

668
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: and what you don't have, and when you watch someone's behavior,

669
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: like if if anyone thought anyone's sane or anyone that

670
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: I know thought that their kid was missing. That's not

671
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: the behavior that says, hey, I have nothing to do

672
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: with this, help me out. So what you're going to

673
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: be very interested to see in the first episode of

674
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: Crime Seemed Confidential that we have not seen before is

675
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: that I'm going to sit down and speak with not

676
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: only Cindy, but we're we're gonna see that I sit

677
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: down and speak with Dorothy Clay Sims, which is her

678
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: defense attorney, which we have never spoken too before, and

679
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: Dorothy is going to offer up some explanations for Casey's

680
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: behavior that maybe people haven't given much thought to. HM.

681
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'll just if someone is a pathological liar.

682
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: I know lie detector tests aren't necessarily accurate, but can

683
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: they pass Lie detector tests if they are pathological? The

684
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: thing about lie detector tests is that they're they're not

685
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: to begin with and uh and even lie detector tests,

686
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: it depends. The modern day lie detector tests is called

687
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: a voice stress analysis, So they now look at the

688
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: pattern and the changes in your voice and the stress

689
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: that that enables. So we don't even do the old

690
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: school where they kind of hook up the wires around

691
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: your chest that you've seen kind of in old school

692
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: police movies. Now they do voice stress analysis, but they

693
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: kind of some of the things that I looked up,

694
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: and not that this really means anything. I have said

695
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: that there was something that happened inside of the house,

696
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,479
Speaker 1: inside of that family house, that all that her dad

697
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: knows about, that her mom knows about. Do you think

698
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: there's any truth to that. I don't have any scientific

699
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 1: evidence of anything of that nature. Right, There's not gonna

700
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: be a lot of theories that get thrown about, but

701
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't have any scientific evidence that would support that.

702
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: And I think that is the theme of this show,

703
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: and that's what I encourage people to focus on, because,

704
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: especially with this case, there's so much emotional involvement in attachment,

705
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: especially when we see a child involved. Everybody gets so

706
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: emotionally invested in this, and the tendency is to want

707
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: to follow a narrative, and no matter what we talk about,

708
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: there are narratives in this case, and there's narratives that

709
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: are that are portrayed by the defense, and there are

710
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 1: narratives that are portrayed by the prosecution. There are narratives

711
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: that are portrayed by the media, and we immediately, because

712
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: we're humans, we jump up and we want to follow

713
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: a narrative and we go, yes that and we we

714
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: follow that path. What physic iCal evidence does is it

715
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: doesn't follow a narrative. It simply is. And what I

716
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: encourage people to do that and that's the beauty of

717
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: forensic science, and that's the beauty of crime scene confidential

718
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: is we are going to follow the evidence and the

719
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: forensic science behind it, and we're gonna say, okay, uh,

720
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: we're not. We're not gonna fall prey to following a narrative.

721
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: We're going to look at the evidence and you're gonna

722
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: follow it from my perspective from a crime scene perspective, which,

723
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: by the way, is new. We have never ever had

724
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: a crime show before that has looked at from a

725
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: crime scene investigator's perspective. We've seen dramatization of crime scene before,

726
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: but we've never seen real deal from the evidence perspective,

727
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: from a crime scene point of view. We're gonna follow

728
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: this and we're not we're la la la la, Not

729
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: I not following the narrative. We're following crime scene facts

730
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: and then allow people to look at the totality of evidence,

731
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: not what I call cafeteria style. We don't take our

732
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: trade down and go oh yeah, I'll take that, and

733
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: I'll take is, and I'll build a narrative built upon

734
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: the things that support my belief. No. No, we're gonna

735
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: look at the evidence and the totality of the evidence

736
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: and what does that support, not a narrative. This feels

737
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: very reminiscent of the John ben Ay Ramsey case in

738
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: that the public wanted to form a narrative. And well,

739
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: I guess my other question. I mean, I have so

740
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: many questions for you, But I was actually talking about

741
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: the narrative that they've been saying that she potentially drowned

742
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: in the pool. No way to prove or disprove that theory.

743
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: And he also knows that the case being in Florida,

744
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: everybody in Florida is used to hearing on the news

745
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: very tragically. But because we have so many bodies of

746
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: water and so many people in Florida have pools, it

747
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: is not uncommon to hear on the news that we

748
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: have drownings very frequently in Florida. Because Toddler's come, you know,

749
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: come out and drown in pools. The main difference that

750
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: we have is I have worked very many drownings of toddler's.

751
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: What I assure you does not happen is that when

752
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: you discover a drowned child in a pool, what a

753
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: parent does. No matter in what state you find your child,

754
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: you always have hope something you can save my child.

755
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: If the child is at the bottom of the pool

756
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: and is blue, you jump in, you pull the child out,

757
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: You call nine one one, and you think a medical

758
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: miracle will save my child. The paramedics will come, they

759
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: will bring them back, they'll take them to the hospital,

760
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: they will save them, they will do something. In one

761
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: of the child drownings that I have worked was called

762
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: what you do not do is go, oh, well, guess

763
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: I'll bagger upright well, And that's the disconnect. That's the

764
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: disconnect because at what point do you think, and it

765
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: goes to onto the Scott Peterson's of the world and

766
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: all these people, at what point do you think what

767
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: you're doing is better than than the really the easiest route.

768
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: If if that was the case, you call and you

769
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: say there was an accident, and then you go from there.

770
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: If got Peterson wants to get a divorceing. Excuse my,

771
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: but get a divorce right, So we don't We can't

772
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: explain the mental thought process here if it were an accident,

773
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: why the first thought was cover up the behavior rather

774
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: than call and report it if it were a drowning.

775
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: Because scientifically we can say what happened. We can talk

776
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: about postmortem root banding and having a deceased body that

777
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: is mitochondreally linked to Casey in the car. But what

778
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: scientifically I cannot explain is intent. What about did you?

779
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: Was there ever any information on who Kyley's actual father is?

780
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: Because I saw something that said two of the guys

781
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: that they assumed could potentially be her father both died

782
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: in a car crash. But is that the same car crash?

783
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 1: What are the chances that two people, well it wasn't

784
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: father also in a car crash and that's when they

785
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: reconnected George was involved in a car crash. You're no,

786
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: but this Two of the guys that they said the

787
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: potential father's potential fathers both died in the car crash.

788
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: Sorry I didn't say that probably died. Okay, So they

789
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: still don't know who her dad is. I don't know

790
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: who knows who the father is I don't personally know

791
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: who it was. Well, so, what are your thoughts in

792
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: the fact of the googling of chloroform and then the

793
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: theory that she possibly over chloroformed her daughter. You know,

794
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: it's a it's another theory. Uh, I can't you know,

795
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: I know that I can't remember if we address that

796
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: on the on an episode one or not. But it's

797
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: it's um so hard to say. There's there's so many

798
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: pieces of evidence out there that again, you know, science

799
00:46:53,160 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: can lead people to make a logical conclusion. We can

800
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: provide all of the evidence in the world scientifically speaking,

801
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: but ultimately, in our justice system, jurors will still be

802
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: charged with making a conclusion upon that evidence. You know,

803
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: we're not always and very rarely going to have confessions

804
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: and video tapes of crimes, or we wouldn't need a

805
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: jury to make a decision. So all we can do

806
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: as investigators is have evidence, provide that evidence, and trust

807
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: people to make a decision. And And what are your

808
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: thoughts on Casey potentially writing a book that's the rumor

809
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: now that she is. I have learned over my years

810
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: of investigation and being a human that I am only

811
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: responsible for what I do, and I sleep very well

812
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: at night, and I can't be responsible for what other

813
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: people do and how they sleep at night. I will

814
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: say this, I try very hard to refer to this

815
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: case as the Kaylee Anthony case because we need to

816
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: be very victim centric and ensure that we keep the

817
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: memory of our victims alive and not give attention two

818
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: suspects and then and give more attention to our victims.

819
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I'm sorry,

820
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: I just have one more question because it has been

821
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: weighing on me. It's very confusing. So Ray Kronk suggested

822
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: that they the police searched the area, the wooded area

823
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: less than half a mile from the Anthony's home, and

824
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: then the bones are found. Right, does this at all

825
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: seems suspicious? No, that if you know Florida and if

826
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: you know that area, that area is kind of a

827
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: slope off of the road. It's very heavily tread, heavily vined.

828
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: There was poison ivy, it floods. We had hurricane season,

829
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: so it would flood and recede. It wasn't always easily accessible.

830
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: So to me that you know, it's almost one of

831
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: those areas that you can tell somebody to search three

832
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: times and they probably wouldn't find the same thing, you know,

833
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: three times in a row. So it's not necessarily suspicious

834
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: to me. It just depends on the observational skills of

835
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: the individual that's sent out there to search. Okay, And

836
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: unfortunately we do have to wrap for today, But do

837
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: you have any final thoughts that you wanted to share

838
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: with us well the show or yeah, anything. Yeah, what

839
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: I will say is, you know, while the first episode

840
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: focuses on this case, which everybody obviously is you know,

841
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: probably more familiar with, the rest of the series goes

842
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: around the United States and we look at some other

843
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: really controversial cases that deal with you know, shocking cases,

844
00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: shocking deaths, shocking injustices, some shocking betrayals. And I think

845
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: that I mean, as a veteran c S I when

846
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: I reviewed all of these cases, I am just absolutely

847
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: blown away. And I know that our viewers are just

848
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: going to be so excited about this, about this show.

849
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: It's totally new. I can't wait. I know you're gonna

850
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: love episode one, but they honestly get so good throughout

851
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: the entire series. Well, you've got me hooked already. I

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Speaker 1: mean everything you said. Wait, I was like this the

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Speaker 1: whole time you were talking, like I honestly forgot her.

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Speaker 1: We love your hair. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: us today. Thank you for having me. We'll see March Finalina,

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Speaker 1: thank you all right, thank you so much. That was

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Speaker 1: so smart how she said about calling it the case

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Speaker 1: about the victims. I don't know why that never processed

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Speaker 1: for me. I mean I was probably still called the

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Speaker 1: Casey Anthony case because I'm an idiot. But but it's

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Speaker 1: interesting because that's so true. Um, you know, like we

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Speaker 1: call it the John benn A Ramsey case. We don't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: either way. I loved her. I loved how matters of

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Speaker 1: fact she was. I loved how she didn't waiver when

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Speaker 1: we would try to act. We would come up with

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Speaker 1: our theories like she's like no, she's like she's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm following the science pitches and were like, could easily

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Speaker 1: be a prosecutor as well. She's so smart and so cool.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to watch the show me either. I

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Speaker 1: know we have a lot going on with you, you know,

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Speaker 1: auditioning for the news and dming with Chris Womo allegedly,

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Speaker 1: but um, do you want to close this out and

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Speaker 1: sing the song one final time. Oh thank god I

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Speaker 1: get to sing it. Okay, guys, if you want to

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00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: call in and leave us a voicemail, whether you're professing

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Speaker 1: your love for us or sharing a crime you think

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Speaker 1: we should look into. You know the number time that's

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Speaker 1: eight six six twenty one crime eight six six twenty

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Speaker 1: one time that's eight six six two on two seven

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Speaker 1: four six three. And make sure to find us on

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Speaker 1: the internet. Our Instagram is at Real Time Crime Pod.

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Speaker 1: You can find me at Lea Lamar that's with two

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Speaker 1: rs at Teddy Mellencamp and my TikTok is Lea Lamar

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Speaker 1: with five rs because Leo Lamar was taken. And then also,

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Speaker 1: Dmitri's handle is not sometimes Dmitri, which is very confusing.

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00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: It's just his name, Dmitri. Papas papasa, papas Glad we're

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Speaker 1: learning this. We all know each other very well and

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Speaker 1: we're all best friends. The reason sometimes Matris because I

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Speaker 1: was never called that until now, so I didn't you know,

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Speaker 1: there's still time to change. I wonder if it's taken.

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Speaker 1: Are you trying to say that there was a life

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00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: before this podcast? Thank you? But if you get something

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00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: from sometimes to Matri. That is a hack. I'm about

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Speaker 1: to go get that Instagram handle right now. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: everyone a safe, stay healthy. I'm broken. Is happening well, y'all?

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Speaker 1: Will the real Chris Cuomo please DM me? Maybe bye

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Speaker 1: bye by? It's real time grad real time gro I mean,

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00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: is it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything or

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Speaker 1: is that just the thing we say, it's a thing

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Speaker 1: we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for

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Speaker 1: more real time crime, only on I Heart Radio.