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Speaker 1: You don't live for other people, live for yourself to

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Speaker 1: find out what makes you happy. You live once and

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Speaker 1: you know you don't know what You're going to be

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Speaker 1: missing out on. A really good relationship, really good friendship, friendship, friendship.

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Speaker 2: What if I told you there was more to the

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Speaker 3: Get ready for my new podcast, That Moment with Damon John,

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Speaker 3: will jump into the personal stories of some of the

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Speaker 3: most influential people on the planet, from business mobiles and

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Speaker 3: celebrities to athletes and artists. Today, on That Moment with

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Speaker 3: Damon John, I have a very very special guest. A

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Speaker 3: lot of people think that this person who was a

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Speaker 2: Not This person is an advisor from CONSIGLIERI, a mother,

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Speaker 2: a businesswoman, advisor to many, and just a very special

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Speaker 2: person that I have found to be a real true shark.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people try to interview this person. This

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Speaker 2: person extremely elusive, extremely elusive, very hard negotiat, he can't reader,

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Speaker 2: very very accomplishable, at least in my world. It is

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Speaker 2: my wife, Heather John. Everybody still calls her Terris after

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Speaker 2: we've been together eighteen years, we've been married. How long

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Speaker 4: I guess it's going to be it's going to be

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Speaker 4: six years and.

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Speaker 2: Six years we have been married. We have a beautiful

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Speaker 2: Heather and Heather and make it. Don't go anywhere without

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Speaker 2: with my wife, I have some questions that I know

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Speaker 2: get right at it. You know, when Heather and I

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Speaker 2: But there was that moment when she decided, we decided collectively,

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Speaker 1: So how did I How did I feel about, you know,

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Speaker 2: Well, and I appreciate that, but I think that that

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Speaker 1: I'm very like relaxed, like I'm casual with things, and

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Speaker 1: You know, I think I'll show it, things will reveal itself, right.

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Speaker 2: I believe that that's that's a great trade of both

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now now, and now. I don't want to make

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Speaker 4: You're like a guest.

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Speaker 2: I'm a guest. So I walk in and I'm asking

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Speaker 2: Like? And then I kind of get pissed, so hold on,

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what happens when you travel two hundred and

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Speaker 4: We're working that, you know what.

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Speaker 1: See, that's this is just relationships that's a work in progress,

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Speaker 1: Every relationship has, you know, wonderful things other you know,

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Speaker 2: How many in here, knowing what African Americans go through

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Speaker 2: do that to me? I don't care if they fall

438
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 2: and bust their lip or they get an illness. Yeah, right,

439
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: we go, God, why didn't happen to me? And then

440
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: you have somebody who is Obviously we all think every

441
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: one of our children most beautiful. But yeah, there's a

442
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 2: couple of people in this world who don't. And you

443
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 2: know that you'll deal with the heartache those playgrounds. Sometimes

444
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: they say it. In the playgrounds, they say whatever, and

445
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 2: because those kids may have an upbringing of a person

446
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 2: that doesn't understand that. How do you do that? How

447
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 2: do you face that and know I'm going to do

448
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: that when you didn't have to have that choice?

449
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 4: Though that is true.

450
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: Well, luckily there are so many interracial relationships right now,

451
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: and there are so many mixed children right now. That's

452
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: the positive part of it. I feel like it's a

453
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: whole other generation, a whole other race of children that

454
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: are coming up right now.

455
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 2: Think of another issue, because remember where she's traveling anywhere? Like, yeah,

456
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, I mean you know, well she's eighteen nineteen traveling.

457
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's been I mean even as a small child,

458
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, she's definitely come to me and mentioned, you know,

459
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: kids say something to her about the color of her

460
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: skin and hair.

461
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: So curly is your hair?

462
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 4: Wasn't kids stuff?

463
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 1: And for me, you know, I just think like she

464
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: was so young, it's nothing to that I dug into

465
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: at that age. But other than to say, oh, if

466
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: they want to touch your hair, they have to ask permission.

467
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: That's that's number one thing. They have to ask permission.

468
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: They can't just touch your hair and say, oh.

469
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 4: I like your hair. It's curly. It's this, it's that

470
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 4: ask permission. You know.

471
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit there and say like I

472
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: have all the right answers, because I recognize I am

473
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: white and I am not a black woman. And I

474
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: have friends who are opposite with their mixed children. It's

475
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: the black mother and the white father and they have

476
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: a whole other you know. Way, yeah, we have a

477
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: couple that, but.

478
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. When we were looking at the

479
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: Molchlora twins and the beautiful part of Miko was is

480
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: a fan. She said, oh, their mommy and dad, Like

481
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: I said, their mommy and daddy looked like you guys.

482
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, he looks like me. He's handsome

483
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: and devon here and I go. And she was just

484
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: relating it too, you know how they both beautful. Actually

485
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: he's actually a pretty handsome guy. I can't And she's

486
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: smoking hot.

487
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 4: You see, she got the crazy body. She is, okaymy

488
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: with the crazy body.

489
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 2: Mom she you see, I can say anything I want to. Actually,

490
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: I have something I call up my white people, like,

491
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 2: listen what I just saw. She was like, okay, well

492
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 2: I need to get some bread. No, actually, you don't

493
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: need the carbs. I need to get some gluten free bread, Damon.

494
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 4: Just you just don't.

495
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 2: We were out one time, and yes, sometimes I see

496
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: people looking funny at us and and and then like

497
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: I'll have a hoodie on ill just just like this,

498
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: and they're looking funny until they and they go, oh hey, damon, John.

499
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: I was just going to make that point. It doesn't

500
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: count because you're a celebrity.

501
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 4: It doesn't but it doesn't count. It's just like you're

502
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: in your own.

503
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: Right, in my own bracket, but all those who aren't.

504
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: But I remember, I think we were one place and

505
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: these guys are looking at and we don't know why

506
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: people look. Maybe they noticed me, Yeah, maybe they're looking

507
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: at some of the amazing features that you have your eyes.

508
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: Of course, I remember you saying to me, no, I

509
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 2: know that look. They were white males. You were like

510
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: that's you said something like, that's the look of you

511
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: discuss me? How dare you looking at you?

512
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 4: Yeah?

513
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: Is there a look? Yeah?

514
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, definitely been in situations like that.

515
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: How many times have you been in a room where

516
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: there were no African Americans and people felt that they

517
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: can talk freely and they were using the N word,

518
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: and they weren't there and it was no rapping. No,

519
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: they weren't talking about in a rap lad they had

520
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: no idea.

521
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I most certainly have been in situations and rooms

522
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: like that where yeah, they were using the N word

523
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: and saying things that are super racist, not knowing that

524
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: I was with you, and this would be many, many

525
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: years ago.

526
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: And what it would you do with those people? Do

527
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: you put a mental note and go it's.

528
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 4: It's it's you download it and you walk away, and.

529
00:26:31,880 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 5: You walk away, and you walk away.

530
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: And you walk away because there's nothing that I can

531
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: say that's going to change how they feel. And I

532
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: just look at it like I don't want to be

533
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: around you. I'm not going to sit there and challenge

534
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: you on this at this smallment. You did your own

535
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 1: grade because if you said it in front of me,

536
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: not knowing how many other people in other rooms have

537
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: you been in doing that?

538
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: You figure that out on it.

539
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: Now, let's still the flip side of it. You a

540
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 2: white woman, you straight white. You ain't trying to be hip,

541
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: you ain't trying to be nothing. I remember I throw

542
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: a birthday party and I remember you going. So let

543
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: me get this straight. The guest listen, is Mookie, Pooky,

544
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 2: big Stuff, tut grim cat right, all of my buddies,

545
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: lat lat You were like, you don't know any Derek's, David's, Bob's, Michelle's,

546
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: Michelle's right, Heather right. But how many times have you

547
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: been someplace things are not going your way? Naturally, because

548
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: you were upset for the right reasons, you automatically become

549
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: perceived as a out of control Karen, just for vocalizing

550
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: the fact that you weren't happy.

551
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: Like I've never been obnoxious.

552
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: Like that of naxos like that. But immediately you know,

553
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 2: you know, but I get to tell you, you know, as

554
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: an African American man, especially with African American women, whenever

555
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: they have any kind of issue, if they even vocalize

556
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: any form of this, you know, like they're not happy.

557
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: Oh this is that the black woman with an attitude?

558
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: You can't even say listen.

559
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: But if that was a woman, it's a white woman

560
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: with privilege, yes, exactly.

561
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 4: So you know, it's on both ends.

562
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: It's the same thing.

563
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: It's the same thing we both and and everybody talks

564
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: you know a s h I t on both ends

565
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: about that having privilege or this black woman has an attitude.

566
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: Who does she thinks she.

567
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, and she can't. She can't be mad at anything.

568
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: And you can't be mad at all. Get pissed off

569
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: that moment, you know you'll do you ever have to say.

570
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: I can't do that here. I want to I want

571
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: to just hope because I go through the same thing.

572
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: You know how many times I want to say something.

573
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: You know it's going to be damon.

574
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 4: John, Absolutely talk down to me this person.

575
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: My food was two hours late.

576
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely.

577
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: I you know, sometimes you just got you need to

578
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: know when to just shut it and walk away. I mean,

579
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: do we need to talk about the other day at

580
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: the restaurant or not?

581
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: Really whatever?

582
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 4: When I was being filmed, filmed.

583
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: Because I took you. So I took you to one

584
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: of my favorite restaurants in the world, the Guyanese restaurant

585
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: called Sibyls in New York on Liberty Avenue, right near

586
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 2: where I grew up, where I used to do my

587
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: van driving and everything like this. This place is the

588
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: one of the best Caribbean places ever and they are

589
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: so amazing in there. We go in there and you

590
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: know you have been with me. I'm half Trinidadian we've

591
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: been around the world. You in there looking in there

592
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: going oh, well, you know, man, I want the baked chicken.

593
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: I know you like jerk chicken, whatever the case is.

594
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: And of course jerk chicken. Yeah, there's some sodium in it,

595
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: but it's not fried. And all you're looking, oh, I

596
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: want this and that. And there was a woman. There

597
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: was two African American couples and there but one woman

598
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: was filming you.

599
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: Yes she was. She was filming me.

600
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 2: She was filming you probably and listen, we don't want

601
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: to assume. Maybe she was like, oh, that's Heather, or

602
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: maybe she was like, look at this white girl in here,

603
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: trying to pick up some Jamaican royalty bust up shot doubles.

604
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: There could have been many different reasons she was filming me,

605
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: And at first I didn't want to blame her.

606
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: The only way to.

607
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: Kind of react to her filming me, the alleged filming,

608
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: was I just gave her a death stare to just

609
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: ruin her filming. So I just stared at her. You know,

610
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that, look now. But after

611
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: she left like she had a smirk interface so I

612
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: was pretty certain that she was filming me. So then

613
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: after she left, some other woman comes up. She another couple.

614
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: She's just like, I cannot believe the automa.

615
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: One African American Caribbean.

616
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was standing behind her. She's confirmed she was filming.

617
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: She's I can't believe the audacity. She was filming you

618
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: like that. And I was like, thank you for confirming that,

619
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: because she's like, if Lukes could kill well, the look

620
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: that you gave her camera, she can't do nothing with that,

621
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: and I'm like exactly. So she was super cool and

622
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: we ended up talking for a really long time, but

623
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: she just like, I don't know what she thought she

624
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: was trying to do to you, or you know what

625
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: she's trying to get out of that, And I'm like, yeah,

626
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: it's like and sometimes I don't know, are they filming

627
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: me because I'm with you because we're in a racial

628
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: Is it because that's Damon John from Shark Tank? But

629
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: she was filming me? Is it because I was saying

630
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: why they put so much rights on my platter? Because

631
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: I was She's saying, oh, this is my girl's beefing.

632
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 4: She's beefing. Well I kind of was, but in a

633
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 4: nice way.

634
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: That much, right, And you didn't want to waste the

635
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: food because there are people in need.

636
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know what it was, but whatever,

637
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: so that happened. And another topic that you always say,

638
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying it's absolutely true, is that when we're

639
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: driving and I'm quick to make a turn on yellow

640
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't do that. Yeah, I stop

641
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: and I wait, or if I get pulled over, I'm

642
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: willing to have a whole discussion with the officer where

643
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: you're just like, I'm gonna mind my business and shut

644
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: my mouth.

645
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, nope, why are you doing this?

646
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: And I questioned them because I know I can, so yes,

647
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: that is the privilege, and I know that I can

648
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: sore's sometimes in those situations.

649
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 4: I do take advantage of that, of course.

650
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: And I think that is a balance of our relationship,

651
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: like to speak up sometimes when things are not okay.

652
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: Like I understand if I'm with someone who who is

653
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: black and they kind of can't say anything because they're

654
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: afraid to because they're you know, the way that the

655
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: police brutality and all these things going on, Like I understand,

656
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Speaker 1: if I was in a position too, I should up. Therefore,

657
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: you're with me I'm gonna speak up. But then again,

658
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: you're on ABC and Shark Tank and you're famous, so they're.

659
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: Like, are you on Shark Tank?

660
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: We sit there and watch you at the station all

661
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: the time. So then again it doesn't count, right.

662
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: But you know what I think it is being is

663
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: being self aware and reading the room right. They're reading

664
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: the room is that we can't change the world. We

665
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: can only change the way we respond to it. And

666
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: I think that you and I did get into a

667
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: debate one day. It was like, damon, it wasn't a yellow,

668
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: there was no turn. There was an arrow, and the

669
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: arrow supposed to go on generally. I turned that thing too.

670
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: It's a place right next to our house. Yeah, and

671
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: I always turned no matter what, whant to see, no

672
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 2: traffic company. We're in a very very nice car. I

673
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: saw a cop coming down and I would have turned

674
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: right after him if the arrow was there. The arrow

675
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: wasn't there, and he passes by nobody's beyond. You're like, turn, no, turn,

676
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: no turn, no? Why you would have turned?

677
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 4: Yes?

678
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Me?

679
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: He saw me, didn't know necessarily who I was. Nice car,

680
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: African American. If I would have made that turn, he

681
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 2: could have easily turned back around and said, listen, you

682
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: don't know where that would have went to. Now, personally,

683
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: I don't think it would have went anywhere, but I

684
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: also don't have the fifteen twenty minutes to sit there

685
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Speaker 2: to say, hey, don't.

686
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 5: You know me?

687
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: And for that reason, I'm out, don't you know me?

688
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: Like you know? And we don't have time for that.

689
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: But that was but it is at understanding, and now

690
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: let's talk about the beautiful things in life that I love.

691
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: How many women of color have said to you, I

692
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: see that beautiful baby you have or that relationship you have,

693
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: and you have a lot of dear princes who said

694
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 2: I got you anything you need to know about raising

695
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: that beautiful little girl, I got you. You know, we

696
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: have our Simons of the world. We have a Cyndi's

697
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: of the world, and the Colds or even Leslie. In

698
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 2: the beginning, it was like, I don't know. She wasn't

699
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: thinking about color because she used to be white married

700
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: to a white man. She was like, I don't know

701
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: if you're going to be that one. But after that,

702
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: how many women and people of color have said, I

703
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: just love you and I know what you're doing with

704
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: this young, beautiful being yeah and we got you.

705
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

706
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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of an unspoken thing. I don't

707
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: think there's been any like many too many direct conversations

708
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: about it. I just know if I have a question,

709
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: I can, And yes, I've spoken to a few of

710
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: our friends about it here and there couple that come

711
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: to mind mentioned it and share similar stories or questions

712
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: when the kids come home and ask certain things, and

713
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: how do you handle that?

714
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a lot of it's really no stress.

715
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Speaker 1: I mean I think it's yet to come though, also

716
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: because she's so young, and I think it's going to

717
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: kick into high gear probably in the next maybe like

718
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: five years, if you of the more.

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00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, we know, listen, life is going to present itself.

720
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: But what I love, what I love to highlight is

721
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: how many people we have of all colors in our

722
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: life that are very very support to say I'm here

723
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: because I can't. I can't. I can't tell you necessarily

724
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: how to raise a young woman of any color.

725
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, you knows. I like about our life.

726
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: I think that everyone around us is a mixture of

727
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: backgrounds colors, especially for our daughter to see that that

728
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: it's no big deal, it's nothing because.

729
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: There are a lot. There are a lot of people

730
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: right now who fear being with somebody or bringing them

731
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: home due to their family's beliefs, due to society's beliefs.

732
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: And to me, if it is the person that you

733
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: will be the closest to you and love you, and

734
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: that person will die for you if they're your significant other,

735
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: those who are fearing what a whole bunch of other

736
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: people are saying right now or believe in, what would

737
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: you say to those people, Because you either have to

738
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: do this, either live by everybody else's rules and standards

739
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: and give up potential love and happiness for the rest

740
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 2: of your life, or have love and potential happiness rest

741
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: your life and give up a bunch of people that

742
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: have opinions that it doesn't matter or even does matter.

743
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: That could be your mother, Sorry, ma, I love this woman.

744
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 2: I love that man.

745
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: Don't live for other people. That's the thing that I

746
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: would say. You don't live for other people. Live for

747
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: yourself to find out what makes you happy, because you

748
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: know you live ones and you know you don't know

749
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: what you're going to be missing out on. A really

750
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: good relationship, really good friendship, potential job.

751
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I want I got one last question

752
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: for you about that moment. I wanted to surprise you,

753
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: and I know I ended up finding out I screwed up.

754
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: I didn't tell anybody, I don't think. I think I

755
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: told one or two people. And I wanted to propose

756
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: to you on the biggest stage in the world. We

757
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: didn't air it, but I said, hey, you know, can

758
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: you sit in the chair? You know, while we're doing

759
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: some stuff. They want to see how a bunch of

760
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: women feel sitting in the chair. And you had the baby,

761
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 2: I think she was about eight months old months six

762
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: months old, and you sat in the shark tank chair

763
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: and I come down the hallway and I sit there

764
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: and I proposed to you right there on the set.

765
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: And I think you yelled at me later on because

766
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: you said that I should have told people. Why should

767
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: I have told people prior to like your girlfriends or

768
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: something else? Because you had to get because you were

769
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: looking beautiful. As far as I'm concerned.

770
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Speaker 4: Well, what do you mean like people who were not there?

771
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: You were like, oh, I'm on a national television one

772
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: most famous sits in the world. I had to get

773
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: my hair and my nails.

774
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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I was six months postpartum. I

775
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: was not feeling very good about myself and the way

776
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: that it was, you know, dressed up to me. Yeah, whatever.

777
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: So it was set up to me that it was

778
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: just like a you know, still shot. It was some

779
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: still shots. So I was like, okay, so I'm just

780
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: going to be sitting down in this chair. And so

781
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: when it happened, I was kind of like really shocked

782
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: because our lives are so private. I'm like, why the

783
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: heck would he be doing this on this set of

784
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: Shark Tank, you know what I mean. So I was

785
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: really like thrown off by that. And then I was like, wow,

786
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: you didn't even tell Patrician Ray. And they were literally

787
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: that day switching planes at Lax because they were going

788
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: to Hawaii. But that's just another side note. They were

789
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: the only people missing. You've got like a lot of

790
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: other people there. That Nicole, my friend Nicole. She we

791
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: were staying there, and that mom when.

792
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 2: I proposed to Mommy, you was sitting in her chair,

793
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: and I have no idea they when you said yes,

794
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: they popped off confetti. She was about six months You

795
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: know what you did. I don't know if you were

796
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: if you were crying, because she said yes, and you

797
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: were like, I know you, my daddy, but I don't

798
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: want them to be here forever. I have plans with

799
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: other daddies.

800
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: Any attention you would get when you were a baby,

801
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: Fried and we started singing Happy.

802
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 4: Birthday to you their liquid start Charley.

803
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time that we sing happy birthday to you

804
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: when you were a little it's my birthday and I'm

805
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: gonna cry. God damn it, I do one.

806
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 4: But for the first three years, or for you the

807
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: first three years.

808
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: Anyway, I love you, I love mommy, and I love

809
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: everybody who follows us and watches us. And thank you

810
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: for being the lead role on Roam with three sixty

811
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: and all my commercials that I drag you in. We'll

812
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: get we'll do another one of these. We'll talk about

813
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: how you took the huge stage like ten X. You

814
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: surprised me on Shark Tank a couple of weeks ago

815
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: for somebody who's not a public person. Mommy, Mommy steps

816
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: up to the to the to the plate, and I

817
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: don't know how you do it? All right?

818
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 4: Do it anyway?

819
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: All right?

820
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 5: Well?

821
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: They have that's that moment with uh miss John and

822
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Miga jag of John uh and uh and yeah, I

823
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 2: thank you for spending this time with us, baby, and

824
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: and and giving people you know, the the you know,

825
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: the insight on your experience in our relationship, whether a

826
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Speaker 2: public person, mixed relationship.

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Speaker 4: Mom, happy to be here. Thank you for including me

828
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Speaker 4: all right, Thank you, love.

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Speaker 5: You, love you.

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Speaker 2: Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from the Black

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Speaker 2: subscribe to and rate the show. And of course you

835
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 2: can all connect with me on any of my social

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Speaker 2: media platforms. At the Shark, Damon spelt like Raymond, But

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Speaker 2: what a d