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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal? Indeed, we do lots of

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Speaker 1: referendum on like, Okay, do you agree with being able

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Speaker 1: to buy an assault weapon or not? And from almost

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Speaker 1: I think every Republican on record, bearing like four four

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Speaker 1: they do support the ability to buy it whenever you're

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Speaker 1: eighteen years old, or if they don't personally support at

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Speaker 1: eighteen years old, they say they should leave it up

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Speaker 1: to the states because some states have different state by

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Speaker 1: state regulations. So that's just what the political reality is

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Speaker 1: in terms of what's going to pass. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't have a maximum's position on gun control to

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Speaker 1: start with, but I do think it would be good

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Speaker 1: for the country if we could pass something, because it's

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Speaker 1: just so depressing that you have this level of support

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Speaker 1: behind some basic, really not controversial changes, even among the

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Speaker 1: Republican based support for things like lifting the assault weapons ban,

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Speaker 1: to the assault weapons age to twenty one years old,

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Speaker 1: banning high capacity vagazines, universal background checks, like support not

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Speaker 1: only among Democrats, not only among independence but also among Republicans.

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Speaker 1: And so even though I have no expectation that what

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Speaker 1: we would pass would be any kind of quick fix

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Speaker 1: or you know, overwhelmingly shift the amount of violence in

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Speaker 1: the country, just that sense that we can actually respond.

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Speaker 1: There can be this mass tragedy that moves the public

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Speaker 1: and shocks and horrifies us, and that we can at

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Speaker 1: least try to do something about it, I think would

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Speaker 1: be a positive thing. So again, do I have a

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Speaker 1: lot of hope that anything is going to come out

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Speaker 1: of this? No, because ultimately Congress typically is not responsive

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Speaker 1: to the public. I mean that's just reality. And you

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Speaker 1: have a very well organized and you know, not as

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Speaker 1: well financed as they used to be, but still very

458
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Speaker 1: well financed gun lobby and NRA interest group which still

459
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Speaker 1: holds a lot of sway in Republican primaries, and so

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Speaker 1: the odds are definitely stacked against you on all of this.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it would be a positive, I think step

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Speaker 1: for the country if we could just feel like, at

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Speaker 1: least we can act and do something when we are

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Speaker 1: shocked and horrified by something as terrible as this was.

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Speaker 1: I think the reason it won't happen is that if

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Speaker 1: you look at the previous would did that monologue on

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Speaker 1: history about gun control, it's just about the ability for

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Speaker 1: people to agree on what the problem is. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people just agree on what

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Speaker 1: the problem is right now. I mean that's fundamentally right.

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Speaker 1: So the original nineteen thirty four Firearms Act ninety thirty five,

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Speaker 1: maybe that was response to mafia violence. Everyone was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, these mafiosos are killing each other with automatic

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Speaker 1: guns and is crazy. We need to stop this. Number

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Speaker 1: two was we had all these high profile assassinations of

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Speaker 1: MLK and RFK, JFK. Everyone's like, Okay, I think we

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Speaker 1: need to calm things down. And it was a major

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Speaker 1: level of trust. And then similarly in the nineties, people

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Speaker 1: there was just a general feeling of I don't know,

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Speaker 1: we won the Cold War. It was like America's back

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Speaker 1: the Gulf War. Obviously, like Clinton was president, there was

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Speaker 1: an economy was booming. People said, Okay, I think I

483
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Speaker 1: trust the government enough in this situation to ban assault

484
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Speaker 1: weapons like that is just you know, we don't agree

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Speaker 1: on any of the problems anymore, like a complete frame

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Speaker 1: and lack of social trust, which is very similar to

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Speaker 1: the inactive periods of government in the eighteen seventies and

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Speaker 1: eighteen eighties and eighteen nineties all the way up until

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Speaker 1: like the Teddy Roosevelt era. Unfortunately, I really just think

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Speaker 1: that's where we're at right now. I think that the

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Speaker 1: tactic of just delaying and waiting things out is so

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Speaker 1: successful now and oh yeah, graph you weren't too, which

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Speaker 1: we actually should cut input in a future show so

494
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Speaker 1: you guys could see. But people were sharing around this

495
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Speaker 1: graph of attention after these mass shooting up. It's online,

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Speaker 1: and with each successive one, basically the attention span is shorter.

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Speaker 1: So with Uvaldi you had this huge spike in interest,

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Speaker 1: you know, as we watch this horror unfold and the

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Speaker 1: lies and you know, all of that, and it just

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Speaker 1: completely falls off a cliff at a much faster pace

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Speaker 1: than even previous mass shooting events. If you think, you know,

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Speaker 1: think back to Charleston or something like that. Andy Hook

503
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Speaker 1: dominated our politicans. Oh absolutely absolutely, and so I mean

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Speaker 1: call them by and I don't know that that was

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Speaker 1: on there, but I mean that completely shifted the way

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Speaker 1: people thought about schools and safety and guns and for generation.

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Speaker 1: But you know now, because the news cycle moves on

508
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Speaker 1: so damn quickly and the next thing is coming at

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Speaker 1: you before you know it. The strategy of just you know,

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Speaker 1: John Cornan or whoever saying yeah, let's look into it

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Speaker 1: and we're open to it, and let's have these long negotiations,

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Speaker 1: and ultimately, by the time that the deal falls apart,

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Speaker 1: people have moved on to something else. And so I

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Speaker 1: think that that tactic is far, far too effective these days.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Okay, big developments in Ukraine. Guys, go ahead

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Speaker 1: and put this tear sheet up on the screen. So

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Speaker 1: Russia has actually hit Kiev again. Now that had been

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Speaker 1: a while since they had shelled Kiev with missiles, and

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Speaker 1: you have Putin issuing a warning to the West on

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Speaker 1: those long range missiles that we are planning to send

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Speaker 1: to them. So let me read you a little bit

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Speaker 1: of this. This is a report from the Associated Press.

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Speaker 1: They say Russia took aim Sunday at Western military supplies

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Speaker 1: for Ukraine, launching airstrikes on Kiev that it claim destroyed

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Speaker 1: tanks donated from abroad. As Putin warned that any Western

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Speaker 1: deliveries of longer range rocket systems would prompt Moscow to

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Speaker 1: hit quote objects that we haven't yet struck. Let me

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Speaker 1: read you the quote specifically from Putin. He says, all

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Speaker 1: this fuss around additional deliveries of weapons, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: has only one goal to drag out the armed conflict

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Speaker 1: as much as possible. He insisted such supplies, we're unlikely

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Speaker 1: to change the military situation for you range government, which

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Speaker 1: he said was merely making up for losses of similar rockets.

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Speaker 1: If Kiev gets longer range rockets, he added, Moscow will

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Speaker 1: quote draw appropriate conclusions and use our means of destruction,

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Speaker 1: which we have plenty of, in order to strike at

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Speaker 1: those objects that we have not yet struck. So you

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Speaker 1: put these two things together, Sager, and this is a

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Speaker 1: very scary warning about some of the escalatory military aid

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Speaker 1: that the Biden administration is planning to send. Not only

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Speaker 1: are you striking Kiev and demonstrating hey, we can still

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Speaker 1: do this, we can still go there if we want,

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Speaker 1: but warning that there's a lot more to come if

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Speaker 1: we do go forward with these longer range missile show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they've made it clear now. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: they've made it clear on the longer range missiles that

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Speaker 1: we're able to strike Russia. And actually this morning they

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Speaker 1: came out with another statement talking about that, specifically saying

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Speaker 1: exactly they're like, if any of these missiles are used

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Speaker 1: to strike Russia, we will then be forced to go

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Speaker 1: after the center of decision making where and we know

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Speaker 1: that those centers of decision making are not in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: And I also think it's appropriate for people to remember

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Speaker 1: we're not the only person people who are sending stuff

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Speaker 1: to this conflict. Now, we happen to be sending the

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Speaker 1: overwhelming amount of materiel over there, but the UK is

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Speaker 1: sending similar type of missile and weapon systems, Germany, the

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Speaker 1: Baltic States, we are in the NATO alliance. So just

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Speaker 1: because Russia may not attack the United States or may

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Speaker 1: decide that to go after a particular type of weapon

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Speaker 1: system that is used there, here's my other question. You know,

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Speaker 1: the United States secured a promise you know again in

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Speaker 1: what form writing, I hope, so from the Ukrainians saying

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Speaker 1: we won't use your weapons to strike Russia. Well, did

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Speaker 1: they get a similar promise to every single NATO country?

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Speaker 1: Because we're all going to war if they strike a

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Speaker 1: single one of those NATO countries, Let's all be very

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Speaker 1: clear about what exactly will happen here and what that

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Speaker 1: escalation chain looks like. So this just shows you both

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Speaker 1: from our in like our tangling of alliances, on top

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Speaker 1: of what I think is a very indiscriminate view of

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Speaker 1: just pumping as many weapons types as possible into Ukraine

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Speaker 1: with no consideration for what the future then is going

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Speaker 1: to look like. Is very responsible. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: we actually have some kind of surprising comments now from

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Speaker 1: President Biden about what a negotiated settlement may look like

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Speaker 1: between Ukraine and Putin. Let's take a listen to what

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Speaker 1: he said. From the beginning, I've said, and I've been

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Speaker 1: not Everyone's agreed with me nothing about Ukraine. Without Ukraine,

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Speaker 1: it's their territory. I'm not going to tell them what

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Speaker 1: they should and shouldn't do. But it appears to me

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Speaker 1: that at some point along the line there's going to

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Speaker 1: have to be a negotiated settlement here. And what that

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Speaker 1: entails I don't know. I don't think anybody knows the time.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, we're going to continue to put

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Speaker 1: the Ukrainians in a position where they can defend them.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. He talked about their possible seedting

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Speaker 1: of territory and a negotiated solution. To my knowledge, is

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Speaker 1: the first time there that ever the president has ever

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Speaker 1: said anything like that. Yeah, at the same time, you

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Speaker 1: found this, President Macron, let's throw this up there on

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Speaker 1: the screen. This is another interesting one. He says that

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Speaker 1: Russia must not be humiliated, despite Putin's historic mistake, so

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Speaker 1: obviously the word their humiliation, talking about creating Russia as

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Speaker 1: a permanent pariah state, and also pushing a negotiated settlement crystal,

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Speaker 1: which comes after he and the German Chancellor have been

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Speaker 1: pushing Putin on a phone call in order to make

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Speaker 1: some sort of in order to enact ceasefire and pursue

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Speaker 1: diplomatic means. It seems that perhaps hopefully some of this

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Speaker 1: is now breaking into President Biden, who is now saying,

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Speaker 1: I've always thought a negotiated solution might be the end

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Speaker 1: of this. So on the one hand, we're sending them

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Speaker 1: all these missiles, and Russia is now using crew I've

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Speaker 1: saw five x twenty two cruise missiles in order to

605
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: strike Ki bad, very bad. You know some of these

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Speaker 1: churches were destroyed, survived World War Two and have now

607
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Speaker 1: left as horrible. And then you know they're saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're going to continue striking these weaponisms. On the other

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Speaker 1: you now have three NATO heads of state. Boris Johnson's

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Speaker 1: in his own problems right now, which we'll leave to

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Speaker 1: another day. Yeah, say vot vote of no confidence don't

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Speaker 1: know yet if it's going to pass or not. The

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Speaker 1: news just broke this morning here Washington time. But in

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Speaker 1: terms of France, Germany, and the United States, three out

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Speaker 1: of the four most powerful heads of state in NATO

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Speaker 1: now pushing negotiated settlement. I do think that is a

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Speaker 1: you know, sea change in terms of possible opening for

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Speaker 1: a policy, at least in terms of the rhetoric. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it certainly seems like the actions and the rhetoric do

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Speaker 1: not No, they don't do not line up. So based

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Speaker 1: on the actions, which not just in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: longer range missiles, we're talking about longer range drones also

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Speaker 1: potentially being shipped over. We had confirmation of the story

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Speaker 1: we brought you last week about we are conducting offensive

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Speaker 1: cyber attacks. Yes, at this point, something that has gotten

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Speaker 1: very little attention and is incredibly, incredibly significant. You have that,

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Speaker 1: but also the level of economic war that we have

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Speaker 1: waged on Russia, it's hard to look at that and say,

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Speaker 1: you know that we aren't doing everything to make sure

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Speaker 1: that Russia is ultimately humiliated. I mean, what Matt Cron

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Speaker 1: said is we must not humiliate Russia so that the

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Speaker 1: day when the fighting stuffs, we can build an exit

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Speaker 1: ramp through diplomatic means. I'm convinced that it is France's

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Speaker 1: role to be a mediating power, so that is ultimately

635
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Speaker 1: his position. But certainly, although the war, I appreciate the

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Speaker 1: improvement in words from Biden in acknowledging that the best

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Speaker 1: way out of this is through a negotiated settlement and

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Speaker 1: that yes, although it's not ideal, that negotiated settlement may

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Speaker 1: require some seating of territory on the Ukrainian behalf. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that rhetorical shift versus when he was out there

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Speaker 1: saying Putin cannot remain in power. But again, the actions

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Speaker 1: and the words don't ultimately match up. And it kind

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Speaker 1: of goes back to the op ed that he published

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Speaker 1: last week that we talked about, which I mean, it

645
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Speaker 1: was kind of confusing even within the exit that way,

646
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Speaker 1: and I think what this reflects is that you clearly

647
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 1: have warring factions within the administration. One side that really

648
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: believes the only endgame is Putin out of power, and

649
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, pushing that end, which is unlikely to happen,

650
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Speaker 1: and even if it does, you may not like what

651
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Speaker 1: you get after Putin. And another side that says, hey,

652
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: we got to figure out how to get to negotiate

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Speaker 1: a settlement and how to ultimately get to peace. Which

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Speaker 1: side of that divide Biden is on. I think he's

655
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Speaker 1: really hard to say, because we've had signs of all

656
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: over the place with him. Yeah, look, he's old. I

657
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: don't know another way to say it. The man is old.

658
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: We don't know how much of he's actually in charge,

659
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: and to the extent that he changes his mind, or

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00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: what seems to me to be the pattern, is that

661
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: he leaves most of it up to his advisors. They

662
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: push the craziest, most warhawk positions and he shoots down

663
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: maybe thirty percent of that. That's his basic role, and

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Speaker 1: when we look here, his personal inclination appears to be

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Speaker 1: towards negotiated settlement. Even before the invasion, he was like, yeah,

666
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Speaker 1: I think he'll just do you know, we termed the

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Speaker 1: just the tip invasion at the time. Bennan obviously didn't

668
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Speaker 1: end up being the case because Putin is a moron,

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Speaker 1: but it's true. But on the other hand, then he

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00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: add libs these things, Yeah I know that remain in power.

671
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Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, on the one hand, I tend

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Speaker 1: to take Biden like when he ad libs and goes

673
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Speaker 1: off script as that being more representative of his real feelings.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like he's gone in both directions with that.

675
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: This is the problem. We have a complete strategic incoherence

676
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: towards Russia, towards Ukraine, and towards even understanding like what

677
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: the hell we're supposed to do after this? And a

678
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: friend of the show, Rostauthat, he wrote a great column

679
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: on this to put this up there on the screen,

680
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: which is, you know, we can't be Ukraine hawks forever?

681
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: Which is that? Look? And I think there is a

682
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: basic acknowledgment here that the people at the start of

683
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: this conflict who are like, we need to arm Ukraine

684
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: and Ukraine actually can fight as opposed to people who

685
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: said that we shouldn't do anything. Were they were correct

686
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: that the Ukrainians had the ability and did now demonstrate

687
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: the battlefield capacity with US arms and Western material in

688
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: order to push the Russians back towards the dun Boss

689
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: And now that is where this major fight is going

690
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: to occur. That being said, now that that has happened,

691
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: what is our policy towards Ukraine? And it just cannot

692
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: be as Ross writes just cutting endless amounts of checks

693
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Speaker 1: to Ukraine and hoping for their defensive capacity while making

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Speaker 1: sure that the Europeans themselves don't have any real buy

695
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: in to this conflict. I mean, I've shown you guys

696
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Speaker 1: that graph. We are out spending the European Union eight

697
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: to one in terms of this conflict. The security of

698
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: the United States is not eight hundred percent more threatened

699
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Speaker 1: than the security of Germany or the security of the

700
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Speaker 1: UK or the Baltic States. And yet in terms of

701
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Speaker 1: absolute dollar amounts, it's completely crazy. The Germans refused to

702
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Speaker 1: even put in their constitution that they are constitutionally required

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Speaker 1: to spend two percent. I saw somebody say like, well,

704
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Speaker 1: it's not the US constitution either. You think it's a

705
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Speaker 1: problem for us to spend listen, Okay, that would be

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like you think we have a demonstrated

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Speaker 1: capacity of not paying our fair share up to two percent,

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Speaker 1: We're paying three point six right now. The point that

709
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm making is that, and what Ross is making here

710
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: is that we don't have a strategic end goal in

711
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: sight beyond cut endless amounts of checks to Ukraine backstop

712
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: all of European security. And the longer this thing goes on,

713
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: the more likely that we get drawn into a conflict.

714
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: I see so many people victory laps and all that

715
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: it's been one hundred days. People, one hundred days is nothing.

716
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: That's like declaring victory. One hundred days post Libya, you're like, oh, listen,

717
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, we took out Gadafi. Has been an explosion

718
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: of freedom and Libya and people are people are you know,

719
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: just dancing in the streets. Yeah, call me three years

720
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: from now. I mean this is also one hundred days

721
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 1: into the Syrian Civil War. You could have made a case.

722
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, the free Syrian army, these moderate rebels,

723
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: they got a chance. Assad's on the back foot. Russia's

724
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: not in the conflict. Russia didn't enter the Syrian Civil

725
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: War until the fourth year. All right, think about that.

726
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: Assd was dead almost certainly before Russia entered in Now,

727
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: look at how that ended up. You have to assume

728
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: that your policy can survive lots of different factors. Here's

729
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 1: the other one, Donald Trump. All of this is very

730
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: leader dependent. Right now, this entire thing is hanging on

731
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: a knife sedge, which is we're taking very very hawkish

732
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: actions but Biden is pushing back against anything could possibly

733
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Speaker 1: be regime change. If Biden drops dead, I'm absolutely convinced

734
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Speaker 1: we're walking into a war because of Kamala Harris. She

735
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: would have given those longer missiles to Ukraine. Everybody knows it, God,

736
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: only all of us know. Trump catastrophe Afghanistan proves to

737
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Speaker 1: us that Trump, while he talked a big game, always

738
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: folded to the generals, always folded to these John Bolton types,

739
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: and for every time he would try flies though, yeah,

740
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: exactly wo. So anyway, I'm absolutely convinced we are absolutely

741
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: in a disaster situation absent Joe. I never thought i'd

742
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: be like, listen, I'm praying for Joe Biden's heart every night.

743
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: Eight year old art are actually worse the alternatives. It's

744
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: a problem that is the alternatives are actually worse. And

745
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I also don't want to lose sight of Obviously, the

746
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: most devastation is with the Ukrainian people, who are suffering massively.

747
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: But this war and the Western response to the world

748
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: to the war is having massive impacts around the globe.

749
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Speaker 1: I mean, Horn of Africa is in a massive food

750
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: crisis made worse by the war. There are other factors

751
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: there as well, including the climate crisis. They've suffered through

752
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: some of the worst droughts that they've ever had, so

753
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: they're in extremely, extremely dire shape there, you know, with

754
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: the ban of Russian oil, and we're about to talk

755
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: about the oil situation here in a moment. I mean,

756
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: this is basically imposing austerity in particular on Europeans. I

757
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: mean not just them, but Americans. Yeah, but they're the

758
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: ones who are most dependent on Russia oil. They will

759
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: see the largest shocks in terms of prices on their soil.

760
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Speaker 1: So this war is not without costs and consequences all

761
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: around the globe, which is why you know, I'm glad

762
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: to hear Biden at least talk about a negotiated settlement,

763
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: which we have barely heard him do whatsoever. I'm glad

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00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: to hear him acknowledge the reality that such a negotiated

765
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: settlement would likely require Ukrainian seating territory. I've yet to

766
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: see actions that back up those words, So that's what

767
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: we'll be waiting for. I hope to see it. Unfortunately,

768
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to come. And I think

769
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: we've gotten ourselves in a deep hole, and this thing

770
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: is going to be going on for grinding facts. That

771
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: is the most likely outcome. Okay, let's move on here.

772
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: This is a very important story around the oil markets,

773
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: and there's been some major developments. So their White House

774
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: policy here is all over the map. Let's go ahead

775
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: and put this up there on the screen. The New

776
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: York Times breaks the story exactly four days ago, saying

777
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is going to Saudi Arabia. They were making plans,

778
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: He's going to be meeting with MBS. Then Biden comes

779
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: out and is like, actually, no, I'm not gonna meet

780
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: with Actually no, I'm not going to Saudi Arabia yet.

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Speaker 1: So officially, now Crystal, the White House position is he's

782
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Speaker 1: going to Saudi Arabia, but later he was gonna go

783
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: in June, but now he might go in July. So

784
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: he's trying to save face because Biden obviously is trying

785
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: to square this as well. I'm not caving to MBS,

786
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Speaker 1: even though I said they were a prize state, even

787
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Speaker 1: though I said what happened about Jamal k Shogi was bad.

788
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Speaker 1: But basically, the Saudis have us over a barrel. I mean,

789
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Speaker 1: let's all be honest. Yeah, over an oil barrel, which

790
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: is that they are the only ones, along with the Venezuelans,

791
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: who have the immediate capacities switch to flip a switch

792
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Speaker 1: and immediately began pumping more oil. They refuse to do

793
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: so because the administration is not supplying them with the

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Speaker 1: what they term adequate security guarantee, even though we've sold

795
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: them like one hundred billion dollars of weapons under the

796
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: Biden administration. They want him to come over there and

797
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: NBS's ass NBS and Saudi officials making very clear that

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00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: their overtures at the non presidential level not welcome. They

799
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: need the American president to supplicate himself before Saudi Arabia

800
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: and its king and that is very likely appearing. What

801
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: is going to happen. Let's put this up there from

802
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: the Financial Times because this is just an excellent overview

803
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: of the policy, which is that as candidate, President Biden

804
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: vowed to treat the kingdom as a pariah. Amid the

805
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: evidence that MBS and them were responsible for the murder

806
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 1: of Jamal Kashogi. He declassified US intelligence at the beginning

807
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: of his administration. But now it's very clear here because

808
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: of the choices that we all made on oil in

809
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: terms of banning Russian refined product and oil exports to

810
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: the rest of the West. We are forced into a

811
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: situation where the leader of the free world, the President

812
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,720
Speaker 1: of the United States, has to go and supplicate himself

813
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 1: before the crown pins prints of Saudi Arabia and beg

814
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Speaker 1: him to pump more oil. And at this point, to

815
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: be honest, Crystal, I don't think that it's even possible

816
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: to his ass in terms of the midterms or gas prices,

817
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: because I've already pointed this out. Oil demand is already

818
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: sky high, low inventory at this point. Even if the

819
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: saudis pump more, that will mean in the middle of

820
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: the dog days of summer the gas price may drop

821
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Speaker 1: from like six dollars to five forty five a gallon

822
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: or five fifteen. Anybody gonna give credit for Joe Biden

823
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: dropping gas from six to five point fifteen. The time

824
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: to try and solve this was at the beginning of

825
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: the actual invasion. We had ron Klan on the planes

826
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Speaker 1: of Venezuela. We'll get to that. In terms of what

827
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Speaker 1: exactly that policy looks like, nothing ended up happening. The

828
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: Saudis completely rebuffed us. They're in action. They released, you know,

829
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: one time from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, did nothing, So

830
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: they have no plan whatsoever in order to drop oil

831
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: prices in the interim period. So now they're going to

832
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: go over there. They're not only supplicate themselves, the Saudis

833
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: are asking for even more security guarantees. So almost certainly

834
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Speaker 1: Biden's gonna have to announce some fugazi you know, arms

835
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: sale or or whatever to the crown. Prints stand there

836
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: at the podium with MBS and it's also just a

837
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: great view into how all policy has trade offs. We

838
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: have all apparently decided Europe in the Western world that

839
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: we're all going to pay six dollars a gallon for

840
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: gas for eternity in order to save the integrity of

841
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: eastern Ukraine. I mean, look, you know a lot of

842
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: people said, oh yeah, you know, support Ukraine. I'll pay

843
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: high gas price. Call me in five months, call me

844
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: the year. We've also decided that Saudi Arabia's massive human

845
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: rights atrocities are somehow not as it's fine exactly, those

846
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: are fine, right, Just go, you know, look at what

847
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: they've done in Yemen and tell me that it's not

848
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: at least as horrific. Now do you think they use

849
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: the weapons we sell them for exactly in order to

850
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: kill Yemen? And there's actually a new report about just

851
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: how incredibly complicit we are and what has been deemed

852
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: the worst humanitarian catastrophe on the entire planet. The number

853
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: of children who are starving and dying there, it is

854
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: absolutely horrific. And yet somehow in our moral calculus that

855
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: we're going to be okay with but Russian oil were not.

856
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, and it's clear whenever Biden goes and does

857
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: his you know, ass kissing trip to MBS and tries

858
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: to smooth the waters, the policy has already changed. And

859
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: you can see that because there's been a shift in

860
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: riodd here. They OPEC did agree to accelerate oil production

861
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: to help replace output lost international sanctions. This is from

862
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: that Financial Times piece. They also helped to extend a

863
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: truce between yemen Saudi backed government and Hufi rebels who

864
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: are sort of aligned with Iran. They are looking for

865
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: more defensive equipment, including Patriot anti missile systems, new security guarantees,

866
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: and assistance on a civilian nuclear program, all of which

867
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: I have no doubt the Biden administration has already basically

868
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: pledged to provide them. That's why there's been the shift

869
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: in their policy. So again, look, ultimately there will be

870
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: an as kissing visit, whether it is now or later

871
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: down the road. But the reversal in policy from saying hey,

872
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: we're going to make Saudi Arabia pariah state to my brother,

873
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: my friend, Yeah, how can we help you? What can

874
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: we do for you? That that's already that ship is sale,

875
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: it's done. Yeah, the policy set, the President's going now

876
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: to Saudi Arabia, and let's put the next one up

877
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: on the screen. Also, you know, apparently this is the

878
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: best they could get. They say that oil from sanctioned

879
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: Venezuela will now be allowed per US sanctions to at

880
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: least help Europe replace Russian crude as soon as next month.

881
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: So the US is going to be removing some of

882
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: the international sanctions on Venezuelan and oil and allow them

883
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: to ship oil from Venezuela to Europe, given how much

884
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: of the world's stock has been depleted. But here's the problem.

885
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: As I talked about previously, Venezuela's got that type of

886
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: oil called extra head or it's like extra heavy crude.

887
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: So it's a specific type of refinery that can actually

888
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: handle that type of crude oil, and there's just no

889
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: way they'd be able to make up up the difference.

890
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it isn't gonna help. And look, I mean,

891
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, definitely bolster to Venezuelan regime and also some

892
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: of the overall makeup. But this is my point, the

893
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: strategic incoherence we were talking about in our previous block.

894
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: Everyone apparently is like, it's fine, We're going to ban

895
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: all Russian oil for all time, which is ten something

896
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: percent of the entire world's oil. And also it's going

897
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: to dramatically change the second largest, our third largest market

898
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: on Earth and the way they get most of the oil,

899
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: which is Europe, and that changes all and causes all

900
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: kinds of supply problems here in the United States and

901
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: now makes us more reliant on Saudi oil than ever before.

902
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: So we've traded reliance from one despot to another. And apparently,

903
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: you know these this is a real trade off of

904
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: human rights in the name of human rights, in the

905
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: name of democracy. You know, we're standing up for democracy

906
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: by sucking up, by partnering with Saudi, by partnering with

907
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: the most barbarous regime on the planet Earth. I mean,

908
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: they still behead people in the streets over there. And

909
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, last time I checked, fifteen of somebody's citizens

910
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: crashed into the towers and into the Pentagon in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

911
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: Don't talk about that one anymore. Apparently this is the point,

912
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: which is that what we have now saddled ourselves into

913
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: is our energy policy is complete insanity. We now have

914
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: the current oil companies here in the United States basically

915
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: being told by Wall Street you're not allowed to drill.

916
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: So that's not happening. Then the administration is also caught

917
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: between a rock and a hard place because they don't

918
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: want to encourage drilling in the short term while not

919
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: being able to off say the long term. Republicans are

920
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: all in. They're like, no, no no, no, we should drill entirely,

921
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: and they don't want to also stop drilling in the

922
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: long term. So our domestic political system is shot. In

923
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: our current energy production done, We have no more refinery capacity,

924
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: we have no more plans in order to build anymore refineries,

925
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: and so that means we have to look abroad, and

926
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: by looking abroad, that causes real choices and now if

927
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 1: you thought or had any hope that an Iran deal

928
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: was going to happen under this administration, if you think

929
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: that's going to happen where the Saudis have the ability

930
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: to turn off the spigot and suffer, you know, and

931
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: make us all suffer at eight dollars nine dollars or

932
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: whatever a gallon, of course not So this is major

933
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: ramifications just on the optionality of the United States right

934
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: current market. And you know, you might think that looking

935
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: at all of this, there would be a lot of

936
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: political will to say, let's let's shift from such dependence

937
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: on fossil fuel so that in the medium to long

938
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: term we are never in this situation again. But of

939
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: course that's not happening either. So not only are we

940
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: in a terrible short term situation, but we're doing literally

941
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: nothing to change the long term prospects so that we

942
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: don't have these you know, impossible no win situations in

943
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: the future. I mean, I appreciate what the administration is

944
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: doing here with Venezuela lifting some of the sanctions, allowing

945
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: shipments of oil to Europe as soon as next month.

946
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,760
Speaker 1: Venezuela does have the largest oil deposits on the planet.

947
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: But as you point out, there's the issue with refineries,

948
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: there's the issue with just their oil production capability has

949
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: declined over the years, so that's not going to be

950
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: a complete fix. There also is a report the US

951
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: is expected to allow more oil to flow from Iran

952
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: to Europe as well. According to you know, there was

953
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: one well positioned sort of industry insider who who said

954
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: that they expect that to happen as well, So that

955
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: can help a little bit too, But ultimately none of

956
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: those things will fill the gap in terms of the

957
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: loss of the Russian supply. And at the same time,

958
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: China's coming out of lockdowns, right, China's coming out of lockdown,

959
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: by the way, that's not good. It's not good in

960
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 1: terms of gas prices, because then again that was the

961
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: one thing that remember there was oil prices had started

962
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: to decline some we thought, oh maybe we'll get maybe

963
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: we'll catch a break here, but that was largely because

964
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: of a decrease in demand from China. Wa exactly right,

965
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: Shanghai is now completely out of lockdown. Beijing is basically

966
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: coming out of lockdown. Gas today right now four dollars

967
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: eighty six cents a gallon across the country. That's up

968
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: from four to twenty seven just a month ago. So

969
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: just consider, I mean, I'm going to do the immediate

970
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: math in my head, that's something like fifteen percent in

971
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: a single month, and it's just going to continue going

972
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: higher and higher. It's the US driving season. And look,

973
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: six dollars a gallon very likely on average. I mean California,

974
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: I can't imagine six dollars and thirty four cents a

975
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: gallon crystal. And actually, if you think this isn't going

976
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: to have midterm prospects, The New York Times as an

977
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: article out this morning talking to working class Californians who

978
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: are like, Hey, what's happening here? They're talking about not

979
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: coming out to vote period. For them, They're like, look,

980
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm not a Republican, but through you, actually, how am

981
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: I supposed to get to the polls? Because I'm paying

982
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: six dollars thirty four cents a gallon, as high as

983
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 1: seven dollars a gallon in some places in the city

984
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles or in Palo Alto, Menlo Park, those

985
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: types of areas. That's I mean, that's a destroyer in

986
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: terms of the balance sheet for a lot of people. Okay,

987
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and move on here to the Pennsylvania Senate.

988
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: Two pretty major developments here. Number one first and foremost

989
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: will start with the Republicans, which is that David McCormick

990
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: has conceded, let's put this up there on the screen

991
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 1: to doctor Oz in the Pennsylvania GOP Senate primary, which

992
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: means that the Hedge funder David McCormick, mister Maga as

993
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: he styled himself, will not be the GOP nominee, and

994
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: that heart surgeon heart throb as some people call him,

995
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: doctor doctor Mehmet Oz will be the GOP nominee for Senate. There.

996
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: It's actually very interesting here because they were in the

997
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: middle of the recount. However, David McCormick came out and

998
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: said this in a statement quote, it is now clear

999
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: to me, with the recount largely complete, that we have

1000
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: a nominee, and today I called Mehmet Oz to congratulate

1001
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: him on his victory. So this means that the official

1002
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: nominees are set. It is going to be doctor Oz

1003
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: versus John Fetterman. We'll get to John Fetterman in some

1004
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: of his own heart problems here in a second, but

1005
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: I do think it is worth just going a little

1006
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: bit and looking at the official count. Oz is aficial

1007
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: now going to beat Mike McCormick by just nine hundred

1008
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: and seventy two votes in this primary out of one

1009
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: point three four million votes that were counted in the

1010
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: May seventeenth primary. That's insane in terms of just how

1011
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: close things got here. And I'm curious Crystal for your view.

1012
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how this is going to work in

1013
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: the general election, which is that because I think Republicans

1014
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: it's very clear they didn't one hundred percent trust doctor Oz.

1015
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: His celebrity status wasn't enough in order to overcome the

1016
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: attacks on him as being some sort of closet liberal

1017
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: with all the same views that Donald Trump once held.

1018
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: Very interestingly enough, but what happens is that now, given

1019
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: that GOP enthusiasm is so high, I don't think it's

1020
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: going to matter the fact that he had difficulty, let's

1021
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: be honest here, winning the primary. I don't think it's

1022
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: still going to matter. Calm election day against John Frederick.

1023
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I actually think in this instance,

1024
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: which is certainly not always the case, Trump helped push

1025
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: forward the candidate who was more electable in the first

1026
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I think that has a potential crossover appeal.

1027
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, the things that hampered him in

1028
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: the primaries some previously sort of like you know, liberal

1029
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: flirtations and those sorts of views. I think that ultimately

1030
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: helps him in the general election. I think the thing

1031
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: that Trump said about like he's popular in particular with

1032
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: the women, that's actually true very much should be the case.

1033
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: And you know, Americans love celebrities. I know that the

1034
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Fetterman team and Democrats will hit him with the fact,

1035
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: you know that he has been living in a mansion

1036
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: overlooking Manhattan. They'll call him a carpetbagger and all that stuff.

1037
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: But I think he's a very formidable opponent, and not

1038
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: just for the Senate frankly, I mean, if he makes

1039
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: it through this Senate race, and the odds have to

1040
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: be in his favor, just given the landscape that Democrats

1041
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: are facing this year and how Pennsylvania is sort of

1042
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: equintessential swing state at this point, I think if he

1043
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: makes it through, sky's a limit for him in terms

1044
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: of of his political potential. So everyone thought, we'll see

1045
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: how he handles himself on the trail, but you know

1046
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: that this is a man who knows how to play

1047
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: to the camera, knows how to answer question he managed.

1048
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: Probably the trickiest waters were him navigating through the Republican primary,

1049
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: and he managed to pull it off without saying anything

1050
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: that was like too utterly ridiculous and you know, just

1051
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: completely toxic for the general elections. So yeah, I think

1052
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: he's an extremely formidable opponent for the Democrats of the fall.

1053
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: So the day he announced, a lot of people made

1054
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: fun of me because I tweeted about how I was

1055
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: quote oz pilled and how a household named doctor challenging

1056
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: public health bureaucrats in a plain spoken way, tied to

1057
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: a positive vision to escape the current chaos, is going

1058
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: to be politically formidable. And I said, oh, you're a joke. Listen,

1059
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: I watched Donald Trump. That changed my entire idea of

1060
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: what's possible in this country. Yeah, for and I completely

1061
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think doctor Oz could easily be president.

1062
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: He could be the successor to Donald Trump. You know why,

1063
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: because neither of them believe anything, and their ideological malleyability

1064
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,919
Speaker 1: is a strength. I've watched him, you know, navigate, They'll stop.

1065
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: The steel Ones were very adroit in those interviews, he

1066
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: would be like, look, we need to beef up our

1067
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: election security. All of this. He would never come out

1068
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: right and say that the election was stolen in the

1069
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: same way that David McCormick was shameless enough to do it. Yeah,

1070
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: he play acts the whole gun thing. I've seen him

1071
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: too many of the most hot button of culture war issues.

1072
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: He always tries to find trying like an actual middle ground.

1073
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: And given the fact that he comes from the Hollywood

1074
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: world and now he's a GOP nominee, Trump had the

1075
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: exact same the exact same adroitness. I mean, I remember

1076
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: Trump being like, I'm the most pro gay president of

1077
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: all time. He used to hang out with the gay

1078
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: Pride flags, you know, LGBTQ squared for Trump. I remember

1079
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: that from twenty sixteen the evangelicals didn't care they supported

1080
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: him anyway. So Oz is exactly in the same way

1081
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: where you can split the difference. And I'm not saying,

1082
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, if you care about those things, it's not

1083
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: necessarily a good thing, But in terms of getting out

1084
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: the vote in a pivotal swing state, you're a massive

1085
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: household name celebrity doctor who can't really be accused of

1086
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: being a radical on anything. I think the most potent

1087
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: attacks I'm reading about Fetterman on him is that he's

1088
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: an out of touch Hollywood liberal, which you know, not untrue.

1089
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: He had Apparently our producer James is telling us he

1090
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: has the commercial of Oz kissing his star in Hollywood

1091
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: and Hollywood Star. I don't think it's going to matter

1092
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,440
Speaker 1: because people ran the same thing against Trump. Yeah, I

1093
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: mean that is so. The question is Trump had this

1094
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: ability to, like, even though he's this wealthy billionaire living

1095
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: in Manhattan, et cetera, he did have this ability to

1096
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: kind of feel out the pulse of your average a marriage. Yes,

1097
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: And because this is the benefit of being an ounsider,

1098
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: never having served in public office before, you don't honey

1099
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: votes you have to answer for. You can be whatever

1100
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: you want to be for whatever audience, at whatever point

1101
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: in time. In Oz, same thing, he has the ability

1102
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: to kind of shape shift like that. And I think,

1103
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, given his u successive media, clearly has the

1104
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: talent to be able to pull that off. Now, does

1105
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: he have that same ability to kind of have his

1106
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: finger on the pulse the way that Trump did after

1107
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, living for years in a sort of Manhattan

1108
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: or Hollywood elite circles. But I will say, you know,

1109
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: daytime television is pretty finger on the pulse. I was

1110
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: going to say so, So So if you're going to be

1111
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: in media in one area and still man your connectivity

1112
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: to the sentiments of the average American, daytime TV is

1113
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty good slot to be it. I completely

1114
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: agree with you people you don't consider it, which is

1115
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: that you know, HBO all that other stuff that's for elites,

1116
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: not that many people in this country actually watch it

1117
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: as good as their stuff is. Massive HBO fan shout

1118
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: out to we own the City and euphoria. Now that

1119
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: being said, though, the real people who understand the pulse

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00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: are Judge Judy, the View, Doctor Oz Oprah. I mean,

1121
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: those are the people who really dialed into and created

1122
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, Judge Judy's worth like as much as Doctor

1123
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: Oz like one hundreds of million. Oz Oprah's a freaking billionaire,

1124
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: and she's the one, by the way, who made Doctor Oz.

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Speaker 1: So my point is is that they are very in

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Speaker 1: touch in exactly the same way that Trump was in

1127
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: his ability to manipulate what I guess I would call

1128
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: is what lowbrow mass media that's essentially like lowbrow mass

1129
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: media that appeals to the general public. And especially remember

1130
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: this Oz is famous exactly amongst the demographic who votes. Yeah. Look,

1131
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: none of the people are our age, we don't watch

1132
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: Doctor Oz. Boomers love Doctor Oz. A lot of those

1133
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: people came up on daytime TV and religiously watch it

1134
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: and have trusted him over the years. I was looking

1135
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: back at his Q score, which is kind of his

1136
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: uh anyway, it's it's it's a metric that advertisers and

1137
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: then look at for published consciousness. His Q score was

1138
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: sky high some fifteen so odd years ago. Yeah, by

1139
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: the way, I mean, also worth noting, if he is elected,

1140
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: he will be the first Muslim senator. That's true. Something

1141
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: that was pointing out regular barriers. And the other thing

1142
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: about daytime television is that there's actually a high minority

1143
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 1: viewership as well. I mean, Trump, if he hadn't been

1144
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: so just like blatantly, like nasty and xenophobic in his

1145
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: first campaign in particular, had even more of a chance

1146
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: to improve his standing with African Americans. Yeah. So, I

1147
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: mean he actually had the opportunity to do that and

1148
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: kind of screwed that up for himself. But I think

1149
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: Oz has potentially some of that crossover appeal as well.

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01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be hard to paint him as someone

1151
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: who is like insane the way that say they're Republican

1152
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: governor nominee in Pennsylvania Mastriano, who's like at the fringe

1153
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: of and jumps on every conspiracy and was there on

1154
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: January sixth that wants to ban abortions all together. It's

1155
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for people to see Oz through that

1156
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: sort of a radical lens. So I, like I said, I,

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01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, there was some analysis that was like, oh,

1158
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: I think McCormick is the hedge fund like out of

1159
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: touch hedge fund bro as a better candidate. I don't

1160
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: buy that. What's I think Oz is a much more

1161
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: formidable candidate on the other side of the aisle, you know,

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01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: I think Democrats did pick a very strong contender in

1163
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: John Fetterman, who you talk about like that everyman appeal.

1164
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: He has it in space. He's one of the few

1165
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: top level Democrats who really has that sort of like

1166
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: just blue collar vibe. He was the mayor of a

1167
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: former steel town. He's six foot eight, you know, he

1168
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: wears jim shorts everywhere and not as like a sort

1169
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: of like political theater. That's just literally who he is.

1170
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: But he's already facing very tough sledding because of the

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01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: political landscape. Now he's facing an even more difficult challenge

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01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: because of issues with regards to his health. And let's

1173
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: go ahead and put this up on the screen. So

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: Democrats even very concerned about a lack of transparency around

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01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: Fetterman's stroke. They're even reportedly looking at state ballot replace law.

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01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: They do go ahead and say, we don't think that's

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Speaker 1: going to be necessary, but they're checking it out just

1178
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,959
Speaker 1: in case. They're trying to get answers about his hospitalization.

1179
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: And the quote here from a Pennsylvania official is a

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: lot of US Democratic Party types are very nervous about it. Now.

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01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: One thing I will say, Sagar is keep in mind

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01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: those quote unquote Democratic Party types they did not want

1183
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: John Fetterman. They all were behind Connor Lamb. So do

1184
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: keep that in mind as you're reading this book. Oh yeah,

1185
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: they definitely want to get him the hell out of there.

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01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: That being said, the story here is not good for

1187
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: John Fetterman. And I was telling you this, it's especially

1188
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: not good for him given that he is now running

1189
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: against a heart surgeon and appears to I'm not going

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01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: to say he covered up, but he was clearly extraordinarily

1191
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: negligent with his health. Let's go ahead and put this

1192
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 1: up there on the screen, which is that you know,

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01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: it's been several weeks now seventeen days for the Fetterman

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01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: campaign to actually explain what the hell happened in terms

1195
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: of his stroke, and what people are now pointing to

1196
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: is doctors immediately picked up on the fact that because

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01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: Fetterman was fitted with a payker, and that he was

1198
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: fitted and treated in a particularly extreme way, his immediate

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01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: explanation for his stroke just didn't make any sense. And

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01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: now a cardiologist that was released a letter on Friday

1201
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: said that the defibrillator had been installed to treat a

1202
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: previously undisclosed cardiomyopathy which was first diagnosed in twenty and

1203
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: seventeen that decreased the amount of blood that his heart

1204
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: could pump. So, look, Fetterman is only fifty two years old,

1205
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: but you know, it's not necessarily out of character for

1206
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: somebody who's that look. Apparently, when you're that big like

1207
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: it can apparently cause some hems, aren't your body arthritis?

1208
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: That type of thing and just you know, the sheer

1209
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: amount of size like limbs and stuff that are that

1210
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: your body has to cover. But what people are saying here,

1211
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: in doctors and others is that he really nearly almost died,

1212
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: which he admits. I was gonna say, he admits that

1213
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: now in this new statement is he literally said I

1214
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: almost died and I didn't do what the doctor told

1215
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: me quote, but I won't make that mistake again. And

1216
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: what he's trying to prop up is a statement by

1217
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: his doctor saying, well, if he wins, he'll be fine

1218
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: if he's in the Senate. But like I said, I mean,

1219
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: he's literally running against the one guy who can explain

1220
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: in detail how bad a hell condition is. I don't

1221
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: think that Oz will probably stoop to that level. That

1222
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: being said, they're probably going to attack him for being

1223
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:26,680
Speaker 1: misleading and for being misleading and for trying to essentially

1224
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: cover up, especially in the immediate aftermath of the attack,

1225
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: just how bad it was. Because that's what you and

1226
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: I immediately pointed to. Yeah, because so here's what doctors

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01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: why there were immediate sort of question marks for people

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Speaker 1: who understand the heart. They said, the pacemakers are sometimes

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Speaker 1: used to treat patients with aphib and that was what

1230
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: they were originally saying was going on here. That's an

1231
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,919
Speaker 1: irregular heartbeat caused by the upper chambers of the heart.

1232
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: Devices that include defibrillators typically are not. And they have

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01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: a quote here from a Harvard Medical School Association professor

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01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: who says, you would never use a defibrillator to treat

1235
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: atrial fibrillation. The defibrillator is used to treat dangerous heart

1236
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 1: rhythms from the bottom ventricles. So when they saw like

1237
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: pacemaker and defibrillator, that doesn't match up with aphib which

1238
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: is what they were originally saying was going on. It

1239
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: took seventeen days for the campaign to explain in full

1240
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: what the actual, you know, what had actually happened here

1241
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: and what was going on with him. The Fetterman put

1242
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: out a letter he says, the stroke I suffered on

1243
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: May thirteenth did not come out of nowhere like so

1244
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: many others and so many men in particular, I avoided

1245
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: going to the doctor, even though I knew I didn't

1246
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: feel well. As a result, I almost died. Frankly, I

1247
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: think that's a like. I think that's a good like

1248
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: just being blunt and straightforward like that. I actually think

1249
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: that was a good statement. It just should have come

1250
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: a lot earlier. And the backstory here, as you indicated,

1251
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: is he, you know, was having issues in twenty seventeen,

1252
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: he receives this diagnosis, he's supposed to be taking blood thinners. Well,

1253
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 1: he didn't take the blood thinners at least not for

1254
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: as long of a time as he was supposed to.

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01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: He did hit the gym, eat better, lost something like

1256
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty pounds, and typical sort of like

1257
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 1: bro science thought, I'm good like they did the stuff

1258
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: I lost Wade, I'm doing better. I'm eating healthy now.

1259
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: But he needed to also be on those blood thinners,

1260
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: and if he had then this likely would not have happened. Look,

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01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: there's also still an you know, I like John Fetterman.

1262
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: I think he's a very good candidate. I think he's

1263
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, much more in line with what Democrats should

1264
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: be looking for. People who can actually relate to normal people,

1265
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: not these like Harvard educated lawyers who speak in their

1266
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: own language that no one can understand. But there are

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01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: also questions about his recovery here. He still hasn't appeared

1268
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: in public. His appearances on video released by the campaign

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Speaker 1: have shown him speaking only a few sentence at a time.

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Speaker 1: They say his ability to have conversations rapidly has not

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01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: fully recovered. Though he is improving, doctors still predict a

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01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: full recovery. So listen as long as you know he's

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Speaker 1: able to make a full recovery, and there aren't obvious,

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Speaker 1: you know, visible signs here. I think the health issue

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: is probably probably not what voters are going to make

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Speaker 1: their decision based on, you know, if Bernie is any gauge.

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Speaker 1: After he had his heart attack, he actually went up

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Speaker 1: in the polls, so I think voters could overcome that.

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Speaker 1: The transparency issues are you know another question which Barney

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Speaker 1: actually faced some of those questions as well. Probably the

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Speaker 1: biggest challenge for John Vetterman is just running as a

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Speaker 1: Democrat in this year, running as a Democrat, And as

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Speaker 1: you indicated, I mean, how long are you gonna take

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Speaker 1: to get him? By the way, I wish this guy

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Speaker 1: the past. I hope he's up and walking like tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: but it can take a long time. You said major surgery.

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Speaker 1: You literally almost died the fact that he can't go

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Speaker 1: out there on the stump, I mean, campaign Pennsylvania is

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Speaker 1: no joke. It's a big stag. Yeah. Now, the case

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Speaker 1: the campaign says he's out walking a few miles ever

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Speaker 1: every day, that he's recovering well. But that sentence about

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Speaker 1: his ability to have conversations rapidly is not fully recovery

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01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: is concerning. It can keep you out of it, I

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01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: mean just being out of breath. You know, just doing

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01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: this job is hard. Speaking for two hours. We're not

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01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: running for office about barn storming and screaming and all

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01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: that into a mic. I don't know, I don't know.

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01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: I can't imagine my brain randomly breaks all the time,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I haven't ass struck. This is a

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01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: tough job. I'm not saying that, you know, like we're

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01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: firefighters or whatever, but you know, like I know what

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: it means to speak for just a couple of hours.

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01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 1: He's doing that times ten per day over a period

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01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 1: of months. That is incredibly, incredibly difficult on your cardiovascular

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01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: system when you're already that's strained. I mean, look, a

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01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: number one lesson on this is don't ever let yourself

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01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: get to four hundred and eighteen pounds. So take care

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 1: of yourself, people, because you know, even if you come down,

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01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: it can still have a serials. Well, that's been to

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01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,839
Speaker 1: the doctor. I mean, I do think, oh, listen, because

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01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: of the toll put on working class people's bodies in particular,

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01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: these sorts of health struggles very common and extremely extremely relatable.

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01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I wish him the best. There's

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: still a lot of questions here, and I'm sure the

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01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,919
Speaker 1: transparency issue is going to continue to dog them, especially

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: since his whole his whole persona in ethos is just

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01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: like tell it like it is. What you see is

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01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,880
Speaker 1: what you get. And so when you have this little

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01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: cloud of okay, well, why'd you wait seventeen days to

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01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: give us the straight story about what was going on here? Yeah,

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01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: that's that's Republicans are definitely going to run with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's well said. Okay, let's move on the final one. CNN.

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Speaker 1: This is a very interesting development. The new bosses at

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Speaker 1: CNN clearly walk in and like, what kind of shit

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01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: show did we just purchase? Over here? Let's put this

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Their new boss actually taking aim.

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: It's something that drives me crazy in cable news, which

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01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: is that the new boss says that CNN needs to

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01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: abide by a new breaking news standard and says that

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Speaker 1: they are over using the breaking news banner across its

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01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: network and cable news writ large, he says, quote, we

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Speaker 1: are truth tellers focused on informing, not alarming, our viewers

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01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 1: who have already seen far less of the breaking news

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01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,440
Speaker 1: banner across our programming. He says he agrees with complaints

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: from both inside and outside the organization that the network

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01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: uses the breaking news banner, it has become a fixture

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01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,879
Speaker 1: on every channel and the network, and that its impact

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01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: has become lost on the audience. We always joke about this.

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01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: Whenever you're watching Fox News, They're like, it's they have

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01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: the music and like and they're like, it's Fox News Alert.

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01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: It's eleven pm. Here on the list. You're like, why

1342
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: is it the Fox News alert? Why? Same with the

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01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: what it's like breaking news? President Biden about to speak,

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01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: Why is that breaking? Well? Right, what does that mean

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01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 1: to be breaking new? Something that happened like three days ago?

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01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: We have breaking news here four days ago? What are

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01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: you talking about? Further? We're further breaking coverage of the ongoing.

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01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: Hold on a second, because breaking and ongoing don't have

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01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: the same connotation. It has become something that is intrinsic

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01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: to cable news. Roger sales fault actually in terms of

1351
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: making sure that the sal happened in the first place.

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01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: Zucker did not pioneer this, but he stuck to it.

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01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people did. In CNN. Now the first

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01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: people to kind of step back, and you know, The

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01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: New York Times wrote it up in an interesting way,

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01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: which is that the new bosses over at CNN are

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01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: very very aware of the problems that they have. Let's

1358
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen, which is that

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01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: this new guy, Chris Licked and the Discovery CEO are

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01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: trying to undo many of the damages that Jeff Zucker

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Speaker 1: put in, you know, beyond just the breaking news issues.

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01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: They're pointing to the fact that they had to deal

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Speaker 1: with the Chris Cuomo cover up. They had to deal

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01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: obviously with Zucker and his mistress and all that cover up.

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01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: They had to deal with the CNN plus a disaster

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01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: and just shut it down completely in some of the

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01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:45,799
Speaker 1: first days of actually owning this thing. But more important,

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Speaker 1: they had to shut down you know, the snarky headlines,

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: like the immediate fact checks in the print. They're like

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01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: that stuff is over They're like, we're done in terms

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Speaker 1: of that. And then I somehow had a personal experience

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Speaker 1: because I watched I said in this What they said

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01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: is political shows are trying to book more conservative voices,

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01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: and producers have been urged to ignore Twitter backlash from

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01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: the far right and the far left. And this made

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01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because on Sunday, I'm minding my

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Speaker 1: own business and I get a text message from some

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01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: producer over at CNN asking would you be able to

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Speaker 1: join our panel in New York City at nine pm?

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01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: And it's I was like no. I was like, I

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01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: don't do cable news unless there's a really good reason,

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01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, given exactly what we do here. So you

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01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: want me to waste my time and skip my own

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01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: show to go up to New York to appear on

1385
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: your stupid ass panel panel random CNN panel with CNN's

1386
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: greatest analysts that they can pay over there for like

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01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: a five minute hit where we were talking about this.

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01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: We're clearly a hit, by the way, is with lingo

1389
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: for appearance in television? For me to appear on your

1390
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: panel where they'll be like you're a racist and a scumbag.

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: Do you have a response and I'll be like, well,

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01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: do I have you know, some time, and they're like, no,

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01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: we have to go to commercial. That's your response. So

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01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: that's tiny up Soccer. Really appreciate it, taking the train

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01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: in New York and all of this in order to

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01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 1: make that happen. So as much as I personally would

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01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: love to go on there and really tell them how

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01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: it is, if I ever got the opportunity to do

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01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: something like Brian Stelter's show or something like that as

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01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: one on one, I would absolutely do that just to

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01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: call him out to his face. But something like this,

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01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: it's like they're clearly just scrambling to try and get

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01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: somebody on there. So the TLDR is I said no obviously,

1404
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: so I could be here with you beautiful people here

1405
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: on this show, and look, I don't think it's going

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01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: to work, and they really have their work cut out

1407
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: for them. I can understand that why they reached out

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01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: to you, because I mean, you are kind of like

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01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: a unicorn in that you have these right of center

1410
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: views on certain issues, but you haven't like just completely

1411
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: like lost your mind and you know, gone down some

1412
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: conspiracy rabbit holes. So I can understand why they would

1413
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: want Plus they just see our numbers and they're like,

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01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 1: we want something Hill, we want some of that. Yeah,

1415
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: so I get why they reached out to you. I mean,

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, like spoiler alert, this is what's going

1417
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,759
Speaker 1: to happen with CNN, because this is exactly what happened

1418
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 1: with MSNBC when I was there and when I got canceled.

1419
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: Ultimately they brought it a new president. He looked around.

1420
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: Some of this has to do with like what they

1421
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: think is going to work from a revenue perspective. Some

1422
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: of it has to do with what they think will

1423
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: make them comfortable in their social CIRCLEUS. And so new

1424
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: NBC News president comes in. He says, all this opinion

1425
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: stuff has to go. We're going to put in the

1426
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: NBC News quote unquote personalities who might call them lack

1427
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: of personalities, and you know, we're going to lean into

1428
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: our journalism and we're going to be down the middle,

1429
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: and that's what we're going to do. So, you know,

1430
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: he puts in people like Kate Snow gives Chuck Todd

1431
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: his Daily show, like all this, all this stuff brilliant,

1432
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 1: amazing moves. So they go in this direction, and then

1433
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: what happens Trump Trump happens, and guess which shows performed

1434
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: the best, The ones that we're willing to be the

1435
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: most opinionated, the most sort of deranged and outrageous, those

1436
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: were the ones that got the best ratings. And so,

1437
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, they were even thinking of getting rid of

1438
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: Laurence O'Donnell, who's the ten PM primetime slot, but they

1439
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 1: couldn't because his ratings were some of the best on

1440
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 1: the network. So ultimately they you know, that whole plan

1441
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 1: of we're going to be down the middle, we're going

1442
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: to use our journalist, et cetera, gets tossed out the

1443
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: window because ultimately, what's sold in the Trump era was

1444
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,839
Speaker 1: Trump derangement, and so they leaned into you know, whoever,

1445
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: whoever had that, whoever was doing that thing and satisfying

1446
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: the audience's desire for that. And it's going to be

1447
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: the same thing with CNN because ultimately, look, the ratings

1448
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: are terrible right now. So right now it's easy for

1449
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: them to say, we're going to go back to this

1450
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: down the middle reporting, and they're imagining, oh, that'll open

1451
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: us up to a broader audience and we won't just

1452
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: have this niche. But there is no mass broad audience

1453
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: for news anymore. And you don't have, because of structural

1454
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: reasons and cable news, the ability to actually do something

1455
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: that would be good and like honest and that people

1456
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: would like and that is different and challenges corporate power

1457
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: and anyway, like, there's just they can't do that. And

1458
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: so what they're gonna what's gonna happen is they're going

1459
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: to get back into the presidential election season, which is

1460
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: going to happen sooner than any of you all think

1461
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: it is going to. Trump's going to be back in

1462
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: the scene. That's what's gonna breat and they're gonna go

1463
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: right back to where they were. Yes, it's gonna you're

1464
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 1: absolutely correct the moment that Trump announces. By the way,

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 1: there's actually some rumors that he might announce before the midterms. Yeah,

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01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,839
Speaker 1: he might announce before the midterms in order to preempt

1467
01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: any efforts to try and replace him, in order to

1468
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: take a complete hold on the GOP field. It's going

1469
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: to be all Trump, all the time. They're going to

1470
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: go right back to what rates with their crazy resistance

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01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 1: boomer audience. You know, just because those people turned out

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01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: they can't resist Trump. Something about Trump has rotted these

1473
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: people's brains where they will watch anything about how he's

1474
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: bad or whatever the next drama is with him, and

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01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: we will all be subjected to the same insanity that

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01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 1: we were over the last four years. I don't know

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01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: if we can do it again, but will be here

1478
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:08,799
Speaker 1: on breaking Indeed, Gristle, what do you take a look at? Well,

1479
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: we've all been there. You mean to send an email

1480
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 1: or text or DM to one person, it goes to

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Speaker 1: the wrong person. Sometimes the results are humorous, sometimes they're

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Speaker 1: really embarrassing, sometimes they're catastrophic, and sometimes, as in the

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Speaker 1: case of Amazon executives this week, your email forward screw

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01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: up leads to the public revelation of a disgusting and

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Speaker 1: cynical plot to weaponize identity politics and racial justice to

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01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: mask your own power seeking agenda. Allow me to explain so.

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Speaker 1: Amazon spokesperson Julia Lawless thought she was emailing an Amazon

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Speaker 1: consultant about their media strategy, but she accidentally forwarded that

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Speaker 1: chain to a Politico reporter. In it, Lawless implores that

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Speaker 1: consultant to continue pressing the narrative that new legislation aimed

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Speaker 1: at curbing Amazon's monopoly powers would somehow harm communities of

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01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: color quote would be possible for you all to push

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Speaker 1: this with some of the newsletters Politico, Tech, political, health, etc.

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Speaker 1: To underscore continued concern from a broad cross section of groups,

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Speaker 1: including communities of color. That email linked to a letter

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Speaker 1: to lawmakers from an Amazon funded group called the National

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Speaker 1: Minority Quality Forum, So to recap, Amazon sent cash to

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Speaker 1: this group, which is supposedly devoted to reducing minority disparities

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Speaker 1: in healthcare. That group then sends on a letter to

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schuber and Aby Klobashar that conveniently toes Amazon's line

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Speaker 1: on a bill that would curb Amazon's power. Amazon then

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01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: uses that letter from the group they are funding to

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01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: try to generate press coverage, claiming the bill is racist

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01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: in its impact. Knowing that Democratic lawmakers might panic if

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01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 1: they feel like they are in danger of being on

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01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: the wrong side of an identity issue, their little email

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01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:50,600
Speaker 1: slip up completely gave up the game. But unfortunately, Amazon's

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01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: tactics here are actually identical to those that they have

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01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: used routinely in the past, and are by the way,

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01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: employed by virtually every large tech company in the space.

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01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: Meta Amazon, Uber, Google, all are happy to pervert racial

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01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: justice to try to maintain their exploitation and their abuse.

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Speaker 1: The legislation at issue here is the American Innovation and

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01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 1: Choice Online Act. It is a bipartisan bill introduced by

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Speaker 1: Chuck Grassley on the Republican sign and Amy Klobashar on

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Speaker 1: the Democratic side. It is co sponsored by a half

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01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: dozen Democrats and an identical number of Republicans. It would

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01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 1: prevent Amazon from rigging its marketplace to benefit its own products,

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01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: and it is no wonder that Amazon is willing to

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01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 1: go to the mat to try to prevent the spill's passage.

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01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: Numerous investigations have revealed the shady tactics that Amazon uses

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01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 1: to get customers to buy their products instead of those

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01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: of third party sellers on their own site. A Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal investigation found that Amazon violated their own policies

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01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: and lie to Congress. The company routinely vacuued up info

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01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: about which third party products were performing well, and then

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01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: they would create carbon copies of those products to sell

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01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: under their own label. The Washington Post found that even

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01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: as cus cstomers were just about to purchase products from

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01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: other companies, Amazon would then hit them with a suggestion

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01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: to instead purchase their own Amazon branded products. So since

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01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 1: Amazon controls the marketplace and sells products into that marketplace.

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01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 1: They can copy successful products and then essentially force them

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Speaker 1: on consumers, making it virtually impossible for independent sellers to compete.

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Speaker 1: It is the polar opposite of a free and fair marketplace.

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Speaker 1: It is the textbook definition of monopoly abuse. But since

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01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 1: Amazon is such a massive behemoth those independent sellers, they

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01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: really have no choice but to accept the raw deal

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01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,440
Speaker 1: being given to them on that platform. As with every billionaire,

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Speaker 1: Bezos hasn't become the richest man on the planet by

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01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: above board competition. His real edge has been in figuring

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Speaker 1: out how to rig the game. He is a world

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01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: class cheater. Bezos and the Amazon goals know that they

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01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: cannot possibly justify this market ringing to the American people

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01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 1: on its own merits, so instead they lean on their

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01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 1: paid network of charities. They use those charities to try

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01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 1: to frame opposition to bills to reign in their abuses

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01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: as somehow noble stands for racial justice. And this is

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01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: far from the first time they had played this game.

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01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: And again Amazon is not alone. Goober launched multimillion dollar

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01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: ad campaigns to try to persuade voters that their violations

1552
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: of labor law were really meant to serve black and

1553
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: brown communities. Industry back consultants paid off a local NAACP

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01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,879
Speaker 1: head in order to endorse their efforts. Politicos Emily Burnbaum

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01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: previously reported that six different groups asserting that anti monopoly

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01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: efforts targeting tech companies would hurt communities of color had

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01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: gotten cash from Amazon, Google, or Meta. In just one example,

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01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: listen to this one. The Black Chamber of Commerce and

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01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 1: the Latino Coalition signed onto a letter that was written

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Speaker 1: by the Chamber of Progress claiming that anti trust legislation

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01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: would hurt small businesses. So the Chamber of Progress is

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Speaker 1: led by a Google executive and counts Google, Amazon, and

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01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: Meta as members, and according to the report quote, the

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01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: Latino Coalition lists Google is one of its corporate partners

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01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 1: on its website, while the US Black Chamber lists Amazon, Microsoft, Google,

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01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 1: and Meta as quote's top tier corporate donors. The latter

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Speaker 1: group also helps lead Amazon's Black Business Accelerator initiative and

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Speaker 1: helps Google promote its tools for black owned businesses. Listen.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how Amazon actually feels about

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01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: black lives or any working class lives, really, just look

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01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: at how they treat their largely black and brown warehouse workers.

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01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: How they chew them up and spit them out intentionally,

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01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: how they track every movement from picking items in the

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01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: warehouse to the number of seconds it takes them to

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01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 1: make it to the bathroom and back. Look at how

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01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: they go do any links to bust their unions, firing

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01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 1: worker organizers and retaliating against them. Look at how they

1578
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: smeared Chris Small's as not smarter articulate before trying to

1579
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: use racial tropes to vilify him among his former colleagues.

1580
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: I hope lawmakers who are actually collaborating in a biparson

1581
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,879
Speaker 1: way for something good for once will not be deterred

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01:22:56,080 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 1: by these nakedly cynical attacks. And I hope everyone sees

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01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: through this attempt to use woke language to maintain a

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01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: status quo that has been devastating for all and especially

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01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 1: the disproportionately black and brown working class. Love the email

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01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:12,920
Speaker 1: screw up, sure, and if you want to hear my

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01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. All right, Zager, what are looking at? Well?

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Speaker 1: To start off with, I saw top Gun over the weekend.

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01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: It was absolutely incredible, legitimately one of the best movies

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Speaker 1: that I've seen in the theater in nearly a decade,

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01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: and it made such an impression I thought I'd do

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01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: a monologue here, not about the plot or review or

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01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 1: of those sorts, but perhaps with the movie itself tells

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01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: us about where we are in culture today and how

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01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: that might matter for the country now. As I mentioned

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Speaker 1: in our last show, I can't help but shake the

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01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: feeling that we are in the middle of a major

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01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: vibe shift in this country, and I think this movie

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Speaker 1: and its success are a great signifier of that. First,

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Speaker 1: and very heartening to me is this Top Gun could

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Speaker 1: have been a cautionary tale about modern Hollywood. Most of

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01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: us know the story. At this point. The only way

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01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 1: the Hollywood makes major money is China, since they have

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01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: such a big population. The CCP only lets movies in

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01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: that adhere to their cultural standards and which don't show

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01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 1: any pro us messaging or anything that can be conceived

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01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: of as anti China, which in a way means that

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01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 1: the CCP effectively for nearly a decade, had to vote

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Speaker 1: a veto vote over one of the America's greatest exports

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Speaker 1: its own culture. Now This resulted in consternation when early

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01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 1: promos of the film were released in twenty nineteen, and

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01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: many people, including myself, noted that the jacket on Tom

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01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: Cruise's back was changed from the original movie to remove

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01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: the Taiwanese flag. Now, look, it's a small thing, but

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01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 1: it was the perfect symbol of how Hollywood was going

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01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 1: out of their way to placate their Chinese masters. But

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01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 1: here's the good news. Even their boot licking doesn't work anymore.

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01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 1: After going out of their way to try and court

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01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: the Chinese and their investors, they still pulled out of

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01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: the movie. China's ten Cent Holdings, which is a massive

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01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: media conglomerate which is also involved in the NBA drama,

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01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: was originally supposed to co finance the film, but the

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01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: CCP forced them to drop their support of the film

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01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 1: because they felt that it was too pro us, too

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01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 1: pro us, even though the enemy in the movie is

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01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: faceless and as it was in Top Gun one and

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01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: no spoilers, but they even acknowledge that the faciles enemy

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01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: has great technology. So that's how paranoid and nuts that

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01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: they are over in China. Now, after ordering Tencent to

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01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: drop financing, the government also does not like it whenever

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01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 1: they let Top Gun in theaters right now so something

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01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 1: years ago, which would have killed that movie. But here's

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01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: the good news, it doesn't appear to have mattered at all.

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01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: Tencent dropped their financing, the Taiwanese flag, came back to

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01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: the jacket, and the movie still broke massive records here

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01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: in this country. In fact, Top Gun is just the

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01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: latest and massive Hollywood blockbusters to hit it big even

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01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 1: though it was not allowed in China. It made three

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01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: hundred million worldwide on its opening and is going to

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01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 1: easily make back its marketing production budget by the end

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01:25:57,720 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: of this week, making it a mega profitable blockbuster. This

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01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 1: is just the latest movie to do so. Reports of

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01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: surface over the last month that the reason the Chinese

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01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: refused to allow the latest Spider Man movie in the

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01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,520
Speaker 1: country was because it was too pro us by featuring

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01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 1: the Statue of Liberty. That movie, despite not being released

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01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:20,759
Speaker 1: into China, made two billion dollars. Its fellow Marvel release,

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01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange, was also banned from China, supposedly because you

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01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: get this of a single scene for a fleeting second

1651
01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 1: where a newspaper Kiosk featured in Chinese characters an anti

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01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 1: CCP newspaper headline that was it. Disney still refused to

1653
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: cut the scene. Boom they got the acts in China.

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01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange also went on to nearly net a billion dollars.

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01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 1: The point is is that all of this was basically

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01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: unthinkable not even five years ago. Hollywood has discovered you

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01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 1: don't need China to make great movies and to make

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01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 1: a lot of money. If the Chinese government wants to

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01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: subject its population to Wolf Warrior seven, they can be

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Speaker 1: our guest. It remains one of the dumbest pieces of

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Speaker 1: film I've ever tried to watch, and look, they've got kids,

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01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 1: give kids something to watch on day one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ninety seven of Lockdown. But beyond the China angle, which

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01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: I do think is tremendously important, there's also a metaicultural one.

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01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: There was not a single political point made in Top

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Speaker 1: Gun two, and my god, was it refreshing. There was

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01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: a facials enemy, there was a team Tom Cruise looked cool.

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01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 1: It was a classic narrative arc, no pretenses, no politics,

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01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 1: nothing in any form throughout the entire thing. Per reporting

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Speaker 1: around the film that was actually meticulously followed by the

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01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: production team who wanted it to be able to appeal

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01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: to as many people as possible. Great, it's what people

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01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: have been missing. As critic Lon Harris put a quote,

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Speaker 1: Top Gun Maverick is the least cynical Hollywood movie in

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01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: maybe a decade. No winking, no Nikodi construction, no arch

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01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: attempts to outsmart the audience. Just a big, satisfying, heartwhelming, heartwarming,

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01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: well made piece of mainstream entertainment. And I think that's

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01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: actually a very important observation. For a long time, and

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Speaker 1: I can't really pinpoint when Hollywood has basically just been

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Speaker 1: Marvel movies, Marvel knockoff movies, the occasional gem that is

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01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 1: allowed to hit the silver screen, and then obviously a

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01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: ton of streaming content, some of which was awesome, most

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01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 1: of which is garbage. Watching Top Gun in the theater

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01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 1: as a tent pole movie with no so called controversy

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01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: shoehorn politics, it felt like a return to a bygone

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01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: a age, even for just a brief moment. Now, maybe

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01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm reading way too much into this, but I do

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01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: believe that the instant success of the film and it's

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01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: near universal love is something both to be celebrated and

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Speaker 1: to really be thought about. To me, it just seems

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Speaker 1: like the institutional insanity of the last decade or so

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01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 1: is just breaking. The Johnny Depp amber Herd trial, Biden

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01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: poll numbers being at record low, the mainstream media finally

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01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: acknowledging corporate Pride Month campaigns are very cringe. All of that,

1695
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: to me just seems connected, part of moving on from something.

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01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,839
Speaker 1: As Alison Davis wrote in New York Magazine in February

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01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, a vibe shift is coming. A lot

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01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: of people made fun of that essay. I loved it,

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01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 1: and I've been thinking about it ever since. Top Gun

1700
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: I think is part of that, or maybe it's not,

1701
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: and I'm crazy. And even if I am, at least

1702
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 1: trust me on this. Go see this movie. It's awesome.

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01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: So you got to go see the movie. Christal Okay,

1704
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 1: you have to see it. And if you want to

1705
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue, become a premium subscriber

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01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, guys, so last

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01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: week we covered the conclusion of the Depth Heard trial. Yes,

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01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: and as she does, Taylor Lorenzo the Washington Post had

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01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 1: to put her take on what all of this meant,

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01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: which she decided to focus on was the content creators

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01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: who covered the trial and who got a lot of

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01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 1: views and did very well because there was a lot

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01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: of public interest in the trial and it was not

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01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: really covered extensively in the mainstream media. Taylor decided this

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01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 1: was somehow really nefarious. Oh okay, So not only does

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01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: she do this in her column, but then she has

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01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: to lie about having reached out to some of these

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01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: content creators for comment and saying, well, they didn't respond,

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01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: when in reality she had just or bothered to reach

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01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: out to them whatsoever. In the end, the Washington Post

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01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: has to issue this long At first it was called

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01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 1: a correction. Then they it was so lengthy they had

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01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 1: to turn it into an editor's note about how, oh

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01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: we said we reached out or we really didn't and

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01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 1: actually we reached out to this one on social media

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01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 1: and they didn't get back to us. Okay. So all

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01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 1: of that being said, we decided to have one of

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01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: those content creators on to tell her side of the

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01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,679
Speaker 1: story here after being smeared and lied about by Taylor

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01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 1: Lorenz in the Washington Post. Alita Majaika is the content

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01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: creator on YouTube. Her channel is called legal Bites. She

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01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: does legal analysis, go ahead and put her channel up

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01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 1: on the screen. There she does all sorts of legal analysis,

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01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 1: including extensive coverage of the Depp heard trial, and she

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01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 1: joins us, Now, great to meet you, Alita. Yeah, good

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01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: to see you. Hi, so nice to meet you guys. Yeah,

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01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: of course, listen, before we get into the Tailor stuff,

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01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 1: I just love for you to set up, you know,

1739
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: your conception of your channel and what you're doing over there,

1740
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: because one of the things that there were a lot

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01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 1: of things that sort of irritated me about the framing

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01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,400
Speaker 1: from Tailor, but one of the things that irritated me

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01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:04,880
Speaker 1: is she seemed to indicate that you would like completely

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01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: switch your channel around to cover this trial, when in reality,

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01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, your channel is focused on legal issues. So

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01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 1: it seemed to me like it was a very natural

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01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: fit that you would lean into something that had obviously

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01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 1: a lot of public attention. So why don't you go

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01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: ahead and set that up for us? Alita? Thank you. Yeah.

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01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 1: I started the channel around two years ago. I'm a

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01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: licensed attorney. I'm licensed in California and DC, and the

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01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 1: whole point of this channel is to explain the law

1753
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: one bite at a time. That's always been the motto

1754
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 1: if you will, of the channel, and that's what I do.

1755
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: I take current events, pop culture, etc. And I break

1756
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: down the laws so that people can understand it in

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01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,759
Speaker 1: more digestible, kind of bite sized ways. Well that's great

1758
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 1: and I think that people need that. And the attack

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01:31:50,520 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: Alita on you by Taylor appeared to be that you

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01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: were somehow grifting by focusing and covering this trial. So

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01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,439
Speaker 1: first of all, maybe just tell us like how you

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01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: decided to start covering the trial. I mean, obviously there

1763
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: was a ton of public interests and you were filling

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01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: a niche something that we happened to do over here.

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01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a crime either, But tell

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01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: us about how you kind of came to the trial

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01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: decided to start covering it, and then we'll get into

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01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: what the exact post said about you. Yeah, so this

1769
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 1: wasn't the first time that I've live streamed a trial,

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01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 1: at least well this is the first time on my channel,

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01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: but the first one was the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, which

1772
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: was over on Rackaida Law's channel. He invited a bunch

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01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: of US YouTube lawyers onto his channel to basically do

1774
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing, to live stream it from Gable

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01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 1: to gavel, give our commentary, give our thoughts, the good,

1776
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,559
Speaker 1: the bad, the ugly, and basically go from there. So

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01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,799
Speaker 1: I had that experience already, and when I came across

1778
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 1: this case, it was maybe about a month before the

1779
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: trial began, and I was very interested in not only

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01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 1: just the underlying facts of the case were very interesting,

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01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 1: but I also saw a community that was very, very

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01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: skeptical and not trusting of the mainstream media because because

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01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: of its treatment of this case already from for years years,

1784
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: people had been frustrated with the media's treatment of the case.

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01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 1: So I figured this was a very interesting case to

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01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:12,799
Speaker 1: take a look at. I wanted to look at it myself,

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01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: not rely on the headlines, because I had learned from

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01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: the writtenhouse trial seeing for myself what the trial was

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01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: like and then seeing what the headlines were like coming

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01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: out of that, and that there was a vast difference

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01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: from what they saw versus what I saw. So I

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01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: wanted to cover it from gable to the gavel on

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01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 1: my channel with a bunch of other YouTube lawyers and

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01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 1: other professionals. By the way, I had a nurse, I

1795
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: had two psychologists, I had a behavioral analyst. I had

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01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of people on the channel to basically give

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01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: their their takes from a professional and personal perspective. And

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01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: so that was what I decided that I wanted to do.

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01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 1: I started covering it three weeks to a month before

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Speaker 1: the trial began, long before it was ever clear that

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01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: it was going to become like this global phenomenon that

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01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 1: it became Wow. Yeah. And you know what, even if

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01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: you had realized there was this need and then jumped

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01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: on it once it already, that's fine, there's nothing wrong

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01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 1: with that. And what really bothered me why this piece

1806
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:08,719
Speaker 1: particularly stuck in my cra so to speak, is because

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01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 1: she makes this whole point about how YouTubers don't you know,

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01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 1: they don't have to abide by journalistic ethics and they're

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01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:16,679
Speaker 1: just The whole point is like, oh, they're just chasing

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01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: the money, as if the mainstream press doesn't have their

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01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: own incentives and moneymaking ventures backing them. And also, ironically,

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01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: in this piece that's in part about how YouTubers don't

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01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 1: have journalistic ethics, Taylor Lrunz herself violates journalistic ethics by

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01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: lying about whether or not she reached out to for

1815
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 1: comment to you and another content creator. So talk to

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01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 1: us through that part of the story from your perspective.

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01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,720
Speaker 1: So what happened was I saw that she had published

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01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 1: the article, and to be honest, I wasn't following her.

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01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: I was vaguely familiar with her before this, but not

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01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: really only just surrounding some sort of big I guess,

1821
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: controversies you could say. But other than and that, I

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01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 1: really didn't know one thing about her beyond that, didn't

1823
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 1: really have too many opinions about her, to be honest.

1824
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:08,679
Speaker 1: But somebody had tagged me on Twitter and said, hey,

1825
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: you've got an article that's about you and it's not great.

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01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 1: And this had already happened a couple of times. People

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01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 1: have been talking about law Tube so to speak, and

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01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: other content creators in the context of this trial. So

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01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, you know, more shade whatever. But

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01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 1: I took a look at it and I saw that

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01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: she had She said that she had reached out for comment,

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01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, I mean, I've gotten a lot

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01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:29,639
Speaker 1: of emails in the last couple of months, like things

1834
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 1: have been pretty crazy, but let me let me double

1835
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: check my email just to see if she, like other journalists,

1836
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 1: reached out to me. I looked for her first name,

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01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: her last name, Washington Post. I saw nothing. There was

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01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: nothing in my email indicating any kind of of professional

1839
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: that was reaching out to me for comment. So I

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01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: tweeted about it and I said, you know, I don't

1841
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:51,600
Speaker 1: think this is accurate, but you know, okay. And then

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01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: I saw that the other content creator that was in

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01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 1: the same paragraph as me, that Umbrella guy. You know,

1844
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 1: he and I follow each other also because he's been

1845
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: he's been one of the most active and most prominent

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01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: and the Justice for Johnny up community for years, and

1847
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: so he said the same thing. So I was like, okay,

1848
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 1: so it's not just me. I'm not missing something. So

1849
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: then I get a direct message from her on Twitter saying, hey,

1850
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Here's my phone number you can reach

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01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 1: out to me. And I was like, okay, well, you referenced,

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01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: you referenced the information that you got about me from

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01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 1: this Business Insider article. That article also mentioned that I'm

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01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:27,680
Speaker 1: living overseas. So it feels very disingenuous for you to

1855
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 1: give me your phone number for me to reach out

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01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,839
Speaker 1: to you if you know that I'm overseas, because obviously

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01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 1: you have definitely read that article. If you are referencing it,

1858
01:36:36,360 --> 01:36:39,719
Speaker 1: so then I guess about ten minutes later she also

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01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 1: DM my Instagram account as well, So several iterations of

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01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 1: corrections later, then I see, well, I guess before that.

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01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: One of the first corrections was I guess the stealth

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01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 1: edit of removing that parenthetical saying that she had reached

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01:36:56,479 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: out to us. And then there was the correction of

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01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 1: course that said, you know, we removed that parenthetical. There

1865
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: was an error blah blah blah, and then there was

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01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 1: another correction after that saying, well, we didn't reach out

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01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 1: to that umbrella guy, but we did reach out to

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01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: Alita Majaka for you know, through Instagram, when that was

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01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: actually the last place where she tried to reach out

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01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: to me, after she had reached out on Twitter privately,

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01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:21,600
Speaker 1: after I had already called her out. So we have

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01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: we have your tweet. Guys, go ahead and put this

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01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: up on the screen that has this final editors known.

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01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: You say what at Washington Posts. I will say this again,

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01:37:31,080 --> 01:37:32,960
Speaker 1: I was not reached out to you by Taylor Runs

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01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 1: for comment until after my tweet below. She reached out

1877
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: to me by Instagram DM after she did on Twitter.

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01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 1: Both gms were sent to me after I called her

1879
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 1: around here. Please stop lying and take the l and

1880
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 1: I'll just read the editor's note here so people can

1881
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: see how extensive this is. And I want to make

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01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,719
Speaker 1: sure that I have the timeline right here too, Alita.

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01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: So first they just once you guys call them out,

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01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: they just sort of stealth delete the We reached out

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01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:00,680
Speaker 1: to them for comment, which violates their own stand They

1886
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 1: realized they violated their own standards and this is becoming

1887
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 1: a thing. Then they issue this correction, which then they

1888
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 1: make into an editor's note, which still is not correct.

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01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 1: What it says is the first published version of the

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01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:15,720
Speaker 1: story stated incorrectly that internet influencers Alita Majaka and that

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01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 1: Umbrella Guy had been contacted for comment before publication. In fact,

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01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: only Majaka was asked via Instagram. And you say that's

1893
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 1: not true. After the story was published, the Post continued

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01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: to see comment from Majaka via social media and queried

1895
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 1: that Umbrella Guy for the first time. During that process,

1896
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: the Post removed the incorrect statement, but didn't notice removal.

1897
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: That's a violation of our corrections policy. So this turned

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01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 1: out to a complete mess. You know, I mean, listen,

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01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:42,600
Speaker 1: why is it worth like sort of going into the

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01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:45,919
Speaker 1: details of the you know, the life of the story,

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Speaker 1: and the various corrections that were issued. What do you

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Speaker 1: think is the broader point here, Alita, Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned before, it is ironic that this whole

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Speaker 1: point of this article was to say how mainstream media

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Speaker 1: is no longer or being being turned to by the

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Speaker 1: people because you know, you have you have these these

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Speaker 1: these influencers on TikTok and on YouTube who are suddenly

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Speaker 1: pivoting their content to make a buck. They're clout chasing,

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Speaker 1: they're trying, they're just covering this because they want to

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Speaker 1: increase their followers, increase their subscribers, that kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: and that, and the subtext seems to be that this

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Speaker 1: is dangerous because misinformation is a big deal, and who's

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Speaker 1: there to fact check these these these dangerous influencers, when

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Speaker 1: in reality, I'm I'm just asking for fair reporting on

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Speaker 1: this thing. And the truth of the matter is that

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Speaker 1: when it comes to my followers, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: me making any kind of a factual assertion to my

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Speaker 1: followers and my subscribers, I have a community that is

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Speaker 1: actually very well versed in the underlying facts. So if

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Speaker 1: I get something wrong, they call me out on it,

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Speaker 1: So I would expect nothing less than of of someone

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Speaker 1: who is purporting to be someone who is a guardian

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Speaker 1: of misinformation as well. Yeah, I mean it sounds to me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I wasn't super into this tribe, but

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Speaker 1: if I was, I would watched you. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why I would have to turn into these tabloids or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like you're doing a much better job than

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Speaker 1: a lot of these people. And we didn't just want

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Speaker 1: to talk about this. I was actually curious for your

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Speaker 1: reaction to Amberherd's attorney's first interview over on CNN, she

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Speaker 1: blames social media for the verdict. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get reaction afterwards. Is there any way

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Speaker 1: to see this verdict in any other way than the

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Speaker 1: jury simply did not believe Amber. You know, there's no

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Speaker 1: question that influence was there. It's kind of strange because

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Speaker 1: it was a mixed verdict as well, which suggests that

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Speaker 1: that they did believe at least some And it seems

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Speaker 1: we would call that messy more than inconsistent, I think,

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Speaker 1: but possibly that. But I think really what happens here

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Speaker 1: is that it is kind of a throwback to an

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Speaker 1: earlier time when it was automatic than when a woman

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Speaker 1: said I have been the victim of domestic violence. She's

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Speaker 1: just not believed. Oh, Johnny, we know Johnny, he would

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Speaker 1: never do that. And that's kind of what we got here. Now,

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Speaker 1: remember that we had another trial back in the UK,

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Speaker 1: same issues. Lots more evidence came in on that one,

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Speaker 1: and what mister Depp's team apparently learned from that is

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Speaker 1: this time, demonize Amber and suppress as much evidence as

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Speaker 1: you can. Your reaction, Alito, what do you think, Well,

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Speaker 1: if she's trying to point to social media and TikTok

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Speaker 1: and YouTube as to blame for anything in this trial,

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Speaker 1: I would simply point to Amberhard's legal team because they

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Speaker 1: were the ones that brought in all of the hashtags

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Speaker 1: as evidence through their expert, through one of their data experts,

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Speaker 1: and the jury arguably would not have known of the

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Speaker 1: Amber turd hashtag, the Justice for Johnny Depp hashtag, or

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Speaker 1: any of the others if it had not been for

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Speaker 1: their questioning of their own direct examination of their own

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Speaker 1: expert witness. So, you know, an argument can be made

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Speaker 1: that it's very difficult, of course, for the to stay

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Speaker 1: away from the public, to stay away from the news,

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Speaker 1: to stay away from social media on a case like this,

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Speaker 1: because this case, of course, was everywhere all around the world.

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Speaker 1: But you and we've had conversations on my channel also

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Speaker 1: with me and other attorneys about just how much we

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Speaker 1: trust hers to follow the rules of a particular case.

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Speaker 1: But I call me naive, but I do think that

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Speaker 1: at the very least, the majority of those jurors probably

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01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 1: took those rules to heart and really did their best

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Speaker 1: to stay away from the media coverage of this case

1971
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:36,040
Speaker 1: while it was pending, because they're giving up a month

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Speaker 1: and a half to two months of their lives for

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Speaker 1: this case, and they understand the high stakes and the

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Speaker 1: money and the life that is at stake between these

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Speaker 1: two parties, and the importance of the allegations involved. So

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Speaker 1: typically it's my opinion that a jury is going to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to that and take that very seriously. The

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Speaker 1: other part of Taylor's article is she sort of insinuates that,

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Speaker 1: you know, this decision was wrongly made or was the

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Speaker 1: wrong decision, and she uses, you know, your sort of

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Speaker 1: monetary incentives to frame like, oh, they were coming in

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Speaker 1: on this one side because that was where the money

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Speaker 1: was and there's kind of an insinuation in there that

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Speaker 1: that may have influenced thecome of the trial, as Amberherd's

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Speaker 1: attorney says there more directly, but there's no no even

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Speaker 1: attempt to engage with any the legal analysis. It's all

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Speaker 1: just sort of a smearing of the motives and a

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Speaker 1: raising of nefarious intent rather than actually dealing with the

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Speaker 1: the you know, legal specifics of the case, which I'm

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Speaker 1: not a lawyer. I didn't follow this case at all,

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Speaker 1: so I have no opinion whatsoever whether this was wrongly

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Speaker 1: or rightly decide. I genuinely don't know, am agnostic, but

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Speaker 1: I did want to ask you a leader, because the

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Speaker 1: case that was made on the other side that I saw,

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Speaker 1: you know, prominently among a lot of a lot of liberals,

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Speaker 1: so not uniformly, was that this was a sort of

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Speaker 1: blow for survivors of domestic abuse, that people were going

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Speaker 1: to feel like they couldn't speak out when they suffered

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Speaker 1: from abuse, and that it would kind of chill the

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Speaker 1: ability of women to come or anyone who suffers from

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Speaker 1: sex from physical violence in a relationship to be able

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Speaker 1: to come forward. What did you make of that argument?

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's any merit to that. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think that there's always going to be a concern one

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Speaker 1: way or another about that coming out of a trial

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01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 1: like this, But I do think I mean well number one.

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Speaker 1: As far as the argument that all of these channels,

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Speaker 1: including my own, are overwhelmingly pro Johnny Depp, I can't

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Speaker 1: speak to other channels, but I can save that for

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Speaker 1: my channel. The panel of lawyers that I had, the

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Speaker 1: vast majority of them, came into this trial knowing little

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Speaker 1: to nothing about the underlying facts or the arguments in

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Speaker 1: the case. And actually in the first couple of days

2014
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Speaker 1: they said to me at the end of the trial

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Speaker 1: day they said on air, they were like, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's going to win, because defamation cases are very

2017
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Speaker 1: difficult for any public figure to win, and this one

2018
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,640
Speaker 1: he has a huge, huge mountain to climb. And I

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01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:05,839
Speaker 1: remember telling them I knew a lot of the underlying

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Speaker 1: facts because I had been spending the last month researching it.

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Speaker 1: And I told them I said, just just wait, just

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Speaker 1: wait and watch, And one by one they all started

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01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 1: to end up in Johnny Depp's camp just because of

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Speaker 1: the facts that were laid out in front of them,

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Speaker 1: and they all played devil's advocate, because these are all

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Speaker 1: practicing lawyers, licensed attorneys that are in the habit of

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Speaker 1: poking and prodding both sides of a particular argument, especially

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01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: when it comes to litigation or a trial. So as

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Speaker 1: far as that is concerned, you know, I very much

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Speaker 1: push against that, and I think that that is just

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Speaker 1: another example of someone who has decided to write about

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Speaker 1: my coverage of this trial without actually looking at the

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Speaker 1: content that's on my channel. But as for the other aspects,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Justice for Johnny Depp community, what I

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Speaker 1: have noticed is that there are a lot of domestic

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Speaker 1: violence survivors, both male and female, and I think that

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Speaker 1: what this message actually sends is that the male domestic

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Speaker 1: violence survivors now have a chance of having their voices

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Speaker 1: heard because, you know, statistically speaking, I think that it's

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Speaker 1: true women do make up a larger portion of domestic

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Speaker 1: violence survivors from what I have heard and what I

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Speaker 1: have seen. However, men still make up a certain portion

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Speaker 1: of that, and men have a tendency to not be

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Speaker 1: believed even more than women because of all kinds of

2045
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 1: stigma around gender, masculinity, femininity, all of those kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: So I think that if anything, this sends more of

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Speaker 1: a signal that men have a fighting chance possibly maybe.

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Speaker 1: And when it comes to Amber Heard, she is not

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Speaker 1: a representative of domestic violence survivors. She is a representative

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Speaker 1: of someone who is trying to defraud the experience of real,

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01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 1: legitimate domestic violence survivors. And she should be placed in

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Speaker 1: a category all on her own. I think that's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: So last thing, I know that you have a charity

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01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: stream that you're doing for Children's hospital. Why don't you

2055
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 1: shout that out before you let you go? Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: on June eleventh, on my channel, I will be hosting

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Speaker 1: along with Rick Hoague of hog Law and other YouTube

2058
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,719
Speaker 1: YouTube lawyer. So we will be hosting on my channel

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Speaker 1: a charity stream for the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: That is one of the two charities that Amberhard was

2061
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:20,680
Speaker 1: supposed to donate her entire seven million divorce settlement from

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Speaker 1: Johnny Depp. Half of it was supposed to go to

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Speaker 1: the ACLU, half of it to Children's Hospital Los Angeles.

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01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 1: So they were kind of sounds like wrong, you could

2065
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Speaker 1: say exactly. They were side stepped in this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that we wanted to do

2067
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: is to sort of give back for all of the

2068
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Speaker 1: all of the love and appreciation that we've gotten from

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Speaker 1: viewers and whatnot. Is to sort of give back for

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Speaker 1: this charity stream. So we'll be hosting it on June eleventh,

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Speaker 1: and I'm really looking forward to having a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people show up. Great, awesome. Well, it's great to talk

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Speaker 1: to you. And by the way, I watched some, not all,

2074
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:57,080
Speaker 1: of your content and it seemed to me like you

2075
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 1: were really trying to evaluate the issues and a fair

2076
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,720
Speaker 1: minded kind of a way. People should go and look

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01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:05,640
Speaker 1: at your channel legal bites for themselves and judge, you know,

2078
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Speaker 1: what they think of your content. We encourage people to

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Speaker 1: do that. Thank you so much, Alita for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: It's great to meet you. Thank you, Alita, thank you, Thanks,

2081
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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

2082
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow's the official one year anniversary, one year since we

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Speaker 1: actually did a show and all that I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of one year stuff. We've got some announcements that

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Speaker 1: are coming tomorrow. Thank you all to everybody so much

2086
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 1: for the support. It just absolutely means the world link

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Speaker 1: is down there description and we will see you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Love y'all, see you tomorrow.