1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: The influencers. The insides, I would rather see a congressional solution. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: It's part of my DNA. The Senate map in looks 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: a lot different than it looked in. President Trump was 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: sent here to smash conventional norms in a sense. Bernie 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: Sanders has already wat This is Bloomberg Sound On with 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Kevin Surrel on Bloomberg one oh five point seven D two. 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: I'm June Brussels, sitting in for Kevin CERELLI Well Russian 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: medley in the presidential election. The twenty version reportedly the 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: Russians are trying to help President Trump and Bernie Sanders. 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: The purge continues that the White House, as a new 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: personnel director, directs cabinet liaisons to target anti trumpers. Is 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders building an insurmountable lead on Super Tuesday. We'll 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: have all that coming up. President Trump got angry when 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: he learned that intelligence officials told members of Congress that 15 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: Russia is one again, once again interfering the American national 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: election process, trying to get President and Trump reelected. Trump 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: blamed Joseph McGuire, the acting Director of National Intelligence, for 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: the episode and the failure to inform him of course, 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: Mr McGuire is on his way out. Gave his resignation today. 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: Now the Washington Post is reporting that US officials have 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: told Senator Bernie Sanders that Russia is attempted to help 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: his presidential campaign as well. Joining me in studio in 23 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: New York as Lincoln Mitchell, political analysts and author. He 24 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: teaches political science at Columbia University and Chape and Faye, 25 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: founder of Lighthouse Advisors from Repress, Secretary to Governor George 26 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Pataki and Republicans strategists. Lincoln, I'll start with you, what's 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: your reaction to Russian interference Part two? Or is it 28 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: a continuing interference? I'm not sure it is a continuing interference. 29 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: It is a continuing interference. One of the kind of 30 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: most to me striking stories of the first few years 31 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: the Trump administration is how as soon as the Mueller 32 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: Report was issued, the Republicans kept repeating Russia to hoax 33 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: so much that the rest of us kind of got 34 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: tired of saying, well, it wasn't a hoax. But it 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: wasn't a hoax. And there is no reason for what 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: we've seen the three plus years that Trump has been 37 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: in office to think that he does not have what 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: might charitably described as an inappropriate relationship with the Kremlin 39 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: beginning with his campaign. So there's nothing new here. The 40 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: only thing that is new here is that it managed 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: to be reported out of the Trump administration or some 42 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: branch of the Trump administration. Did it manage to be 43 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: reported Lincoln? Was it was a leak apparently or did 44 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: it come from some of the Democrats who were given 45 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: the briefing. I don't know. Well, it's it's hard to 46 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: tell on the Sarah where it comes from. My main 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: information comes from everywhere. Um. And you know, I think 48 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: it's regardless what's are the IRA and I think we 49 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: can all agree that Russia meddling is is always has 50 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: been a problem, and they're going to continue to try 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: and do it, and it's a huge problem and that 52 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: it needs to be addressed. UM. I don't necessarily agree 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: that Trump has an inappropriate relationship with Russia, but I 54 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: do think that Russia, Um, you know, now there's word 55 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: that they're helping Bernie Sanders there, you know, helping Donald 56 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: Trump's campaign. It's because any confusion any you know of 57 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: these headlines and articles, it all helps Russia. Any all 58 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: they want to do is so discord so um but 59 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: I but I do think it's a big problem. And 60 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: I think that both sides of the aisle, everyone in Congress, 61 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: everyone in our government needs to be addressing this problem. 62 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: So the Republicans have refused in the Senate to pass 63 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: several bills that the House presented for election security. So 64 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: shouldn't they be passing some bills here and spending more 65 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: money on election security? We have the election coming up 66 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: very shortly. Well, I mean, having having worked in the House, 67 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean just because it's called election security doesn't mean 68 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: that the bill is actually gonna do anything for elections 69 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: or security. Um. So I think there are some flaws 70 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: with the bill. I think that, Um, you know, both 71 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: political parties, both the leadership in the House and the Senate, 72 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: understand that there is a problem and they're trying to 73 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: fix it that. As you know, the problem with Congress 74 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: is that, you know, you have an election security bill 75 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: and they tag on everything else and it turns political 76 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: because elections are inherently political, and that's what makes the 77 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: gridlock happen. Lincoln didn't Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, 78 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: have to be pushed last time he gave money to 79 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: election security. There's no question that we have not sufficiently 80 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: addressed this problem. What should have happened, what would have 81 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: happened if the Trump president. President Trump had actually been 82 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: concerned about Russian meddling, is that as soon as he 83 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: came into office, he would have set up a bipartisan 84 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: commission to do something, to look at this and to 85 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: come out with the recommendations which would have built that 86 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: bipartisan consensus. Because you're right, this is elections are political. 87 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: It's very hard to get away from that. And in addition, 88 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: by the way, we don't have national elections in the 89 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: United States. We have fifty state elections, but moreover, we 90 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: probably have a few thousand county elections. So if we 91 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: really want to address this, we have to rethink our 92 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: whole election system. So one bill, even if it had 93 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: been signed into law and say, I don't know April 94 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: of two thousand nineteen, which would have been about the 95 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: earliest it could have possibly been done, wouldn't have made 96 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: that big a difference. This is a big problem. It's 97 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: not going away and thing about Russian interference. And I've 98 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: seen this in other parts of the world where I've 99 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: worked as well. Is Russia's goal is not just to 100 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: back a guy who they think might be better for 101 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: their interests, like Trump rather than Hillary Clinton, or even 102 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: Trump rather than say Marco Rubio or someone like that, 103 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: just to pick a name in a Republican primary. Their 104 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: goal is to as you say, so, confusion and discord 105 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: but also doubt. If American citizens believe that their elections 106 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: are in question because Russia is playing games, Russia wins, 107 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: And what they're very good at is they no longer 108 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: even have to be meddling because people think they're meddling. 109 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: Because now whenever someone is, to pick an example, attacks 110 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: you on Twitter, you can say, was it a Russian body? 111 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: Was it not a Russian body? And every time every 112 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: American citizen has that thought, Russia wins just a little bit. 113 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: So shaping what can be done now the election is 114 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: upon us. You know, there was already problems with the 115 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: Iowa caucus having to do with something different. But what 116 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: can be done at this point, well, you know, just 117 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: to get my shot and I wouldn't hire Hillary's campaign 118 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: manager to run any large uh endeavor like voting in Iowa. Um. Listen, 119 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that could be done. 120 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: And going back to his point on election security, I 121 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: mean you brought up you know, shouldn't shouldn't the Republicans 122 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: have passed it or shouldn't Trump have passed it? I 123 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: mean there are election security ideas on both sides of 124 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: the aisle. But you know, you say something like voter 125 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: ID and it gets called racist, um, and you know, 126 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: but that's also a part of election security. So well. 127 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: But voter I D there's been no proof and that 128 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: is one commission that Trump did a point, was a 129 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: commission on voter fraud that there really is no proof 130 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: that voter I D s do anything to help election security. 131 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying that they do. I'm just 132 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: saying that, you know, you can't have a rational debating 133 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: more in this era, and that's why a level bipartisan 134 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: commission might build that consensus. I mean, we know that 135 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: the commission that that Trump created was to do two things. 136 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: Primarily was so that he could feel good that he 137 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: actually won the popular vote, which everyone know he didn't win. 138 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: And secondly, he could lay the groundwork. Now you do 139 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: touch on a second point, which which I think is important, 140 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: but I don't know there's political space wark right now, 141 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: and that is do we try to bring American elections 142 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: again with this challenge that we don't have national elections, 143 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: but do do we try to bring American elections up 144 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: to the standards of what internationally are considered free and 145 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: fair elections. Now, that is a that is a subjective 146 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: question that American policymakers have to wrestle them. When I 147 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: say internationally, I want to be clear, these are protocols 148 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: onto which the United States government under both Democratic and 149 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: Republican presidents have agreed upon. So when an election occurs 150 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: in Armenia, you know, is it up to those standards? 151 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: We have some criteria just to pick on our Menia, 152 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: but just as an example or anywhere else and cambody 153 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: anywhere else we're in the world. And and a key 154 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: part of that p part of that agreements is the 155 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: job of the government, actually of the election commission, because 156 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: most have centralized election commissions, not only to keep the 157 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: elections safe and secure, the kind of thing we're talking about, 158 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: but to make it easier for voters to vote. It 159 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: is the job to make the ballot accessible, not less accessible. 160 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: So these are all questions, and that doesn't for better, 161 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: for worse, break on partisan lines, and it shouldn't. We 162 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: should have a consensus that democracy is good, that everyone 163 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: should be allowed to vote. We should have a consensus 164 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: that no foreign power, whether it's Russia, Russia, China, at 165 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: Rand or anyone else, should meddle in our elections. We 166 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: have to agree on those things otherwise we can't go forward. 167 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: But right now, politically I don't see it happening. Well, 168 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: stay with us. We are going to be talking coming 169 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: up about the latest purge at the White House and 170 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: the fact that the new personnel director, who was President 171 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: Trump's old body man as they say, who was fired 172 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: in is now back with the promotion head of the 173 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: Presidential Personnel Office, And according to Axios, he called in 174 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: White House liaisons from cabinet agencies for an introductory meeting 175 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: yesterday and asked them to identify political appointees across the 176 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: US government who are believed to be anti Trump. So 177 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: are there more departures? Shall we say ahead? I'm June 178 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: Grosso and you're listening to Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg 179 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg and one oh 180 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: five point seven f m h D two after three 181 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: years of ridiculous witch hunts and partisan Democrat crusades. By 182 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: the way, I think they started another one. Did you 183 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 1: see that? I see these phonies, These that do nothing democrats. 184 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: They said today that Pluton wants to be sure that 185 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: Trump gets elected. Here we go here. That was President 186 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: Trump obviously at U rally in Las Vegas yesterday, downplaying 187 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: those reports of Russian interference in the election. I've been 188 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: talking with Lincoln Mitchell, author who teaches political science at Columbia, 189 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: Chapin Faye, founder of Lighthouse Advisor, Rees Advisories, Advice Tours, Sorry, 190 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: got it, their founder of Lighthouse Advisors, and Republican strategists. 191 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about what's happening in the 192 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: White House. As far as we know. We know that 193 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: John McEntee, who was fired by former Chief of Staff 194 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: Kelly in as Trump's body man, is now back with 195 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: a promotion as head of the Presidential Personnel Office. And 196 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: Axios is reporting that in an introductory meeting yesterday with 197 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: liaisons from cabinet agencies, he asked them to identify political 198 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: appointees across the government who are believed to be anti Trump. 199 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Chapin and when is that a 200 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: way to start your tenure. I mean, um, you know, 201 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: of course it sounds uh, it sounds scary, and it 202 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: sounds not right. You know, it sounds that people use 203 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: words like purge and um. But you know, elections have 204 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: consequences and a government should add absolutely be able to 205 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: have people that supports it in the government. UM. I 206 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: think you're seeing where it becomes a real problem when 207 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: you have people who oppose everything you do. Um. You know, 208 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: it grinds things to a halt, it makes things more chaotic. 209 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: You know, when you win an election, you get to 210 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: hire the people that support your agenda, your ideas, uh, 211 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: and you get to execute and implement them. You know, 212 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: elections have consequences. So while it sounds bad, I mean 213 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: I think you know, President Trump has every right in 214 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: the world to have the people he wants to have 215 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: in the positions at political appointments. That is true. But 216 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: this is a White House, is it not Lincoln where 217 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: it's sort of a revolving door, especially at the top. 218 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: There are so many positions that have not been filled. 219 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: And we see that career people and I talking about 220 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: the career prosecutors for example, in the Roger Stone case, 221 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: who withdrew because of interference from the A G. What 222 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: about the career people that are there through presidents, through 223 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: Republican and Democratic president Maybe to take a step back, 224 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: a presidency is, to the success of a presidency is 225 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: to a great extent, determined by the people around with 226 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: the president surrounds himself with, because those are the people 227 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: that have to do and implement your projects, achieve your goals, 228 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: pursue your agenda. So in that regard, it is clear 229 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: you cannot have people who disagree with you on fundamental 230 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: issues in your government. And I certainly agree that the 231 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: president has every right to fire people, even if it 232 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: comes two years later that you see clearly you know, 233 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: let's say, for example, they are pursuing issues that want 234 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: to pack, that want to limit how people can have 235 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: access to guns, and you are a Second Amendment extremist, 236 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,599 Speaker 1: like like the president, Okay, that person might have to 237 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: get fired. What troubles me is coming out of the 238 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,239 Speaker 1: impeachment acquittal, and frankly, this is what the Senate Republicans 239 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: gave Trump permission and encouragement to do. It's it is, 240 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: It's not the kind of the odd left activists somewhere 241 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: who probably should should go at this point in the 242 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: Trump administration. It's the person who is inclined to speak 243 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: about unethical behavior and dishonesty that they see in the 244 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: White House. Another word for that is whistleblowers. So so, so, 245 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: what I'm concerned about is that anyone people are being 246 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: fired now, not because their politics or they're are radically different, 247 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: or because they're even pursuing different policies, but because there's 248 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: a suspicion that they might tell the truth about what 249 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: they're seeing. And we saw a little bit of this 250 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: in the effort. I mean here, I want to maybe 251 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: this is the distinction after the impeachment trial. As far 252 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, and I know a lot of Democrats 253 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: don't agree with me, it's perfectly a right to high 254 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: fire Anthony Vinman. Anthony Vinman has a different idea about 255 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: what our policy on Ukraine should be than the present. Okay, 256 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: that's that's fine, And I say that respectfully because he 257 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: did service country very honorably. It is wildly inappropriate to 258 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: have to march him out of the White House the 259 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: way they did, and that's the difference. And to fire 260 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: his twin brother, right that's the difference. It's you know, 261 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: Marie Ivanovich, the former ambassador to Ukraine. Again a different 262 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: vision for what our relationship with Ukraine should be, a 263 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: different a core difference on the role Ukraine play in 264 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: our two thousand sixteen elections. So maybe she has to go. 265 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: But the way they berated her and kind of not 266 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: not attacked her physically, but but but almost threatened her physically, 267 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: that crosses the line. And and bringing in your body person, 268 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, this is the kind of person that is 269 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: you you would trust to do those things. So that's 270 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: where this is troubling on the policy issue. I don't 271 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: have a problem tell us chap and what is a 272 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: body person For those who don't know, Uh, he's a 273 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: lot of things, but what he mostly here, she mostly 274 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: is the person that's there with the principle of the 275 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: president in this case at all times. You know, you 276 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: need a refreshment, you need someone to carry a bag, 277 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: you need someone open a door, you need someone to 278 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: do you know, more substant things. That's someone you really trust. 279 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: It's a it's sort of like a personal aid. For 280 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: those West Wing fans, it's the Charlie uh and also 281 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: VEEP fans she she asked her body man to do 282 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things that he shouldn't have been asked 283 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: to do. That's right. I would hope your body man 284 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: is better than the one to veep. How I wish 285 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: I kind of wish i'd seen that shows you can 286 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: vous places. So Um. She even let me ask you this, 287 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: what is the downside to bringing back people who were fired? 288 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: And he's also bringing back Hope Picks? Is it a 289 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: cry for I want people around me who I trust? Um? 290 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: You know, I think the real problem is we don't 291 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: know what it means. Um. You know. It could mean chaos. 292 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: It could mean he does want someone he trusts. It 293 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: could mean that Hope did a good job. I mean 294 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: I think it may have been a little bit more 295 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: stable under Hope Picks. Um. She clearly is very good 296 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: at her job and the president clearly trusts her. So 297 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: to have those people around, you know, I don't think 298 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. I mean, you see, typically it's 299 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: across different presidencies, but people in Washington come back in 300 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: all the time, you know, because they you know, they 301 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: are trusted advisors. Um. With with President Trump, the uh, 302 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: the cycle is a little bit more accelerated. Um. But 303 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: you know again, I don't know if you can read 304 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: into it because we just don't know people are going 305 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: to read into it for sure. Um. But you know, again, 306 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: this goes back to my point. I mean, he if 307 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: you're the president States, this is regardless of what you 308 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: think of him, whether you support him or not. This 309 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: is an important job. This is a stressful job. You 310 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: to Lincoln's point earlier, you can't have a successful functional 311 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: government without the people that you trust. So you know, 312 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: if he wants these people back, that's you know, that's 313 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: his prerogative. Coming up, we're gonna be talking about the 314 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: twenty race, where there's something seemingly happening every day. Has 315 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders created an insurmountable lead for Super Tuesday? What 316 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: will happen there? And also we'll talk about some of 317 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: the things happening with the candidates there. Joe Biden is 318 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: bouncing back, trying to bounce back in Nevada after a 319 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: rough start, but money problems as always. And remember to 320 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: download the Bloomberg Sound On podcast on iTunes, at Bloomberg 321 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: dot com or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You 322 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: can also find us on radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, 323 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: and Spotify Coming up, we're gonna be looking closer at 324 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: the presidential election. I'm June Grosso and you're listening to Bloomberg. 325 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg 326 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: and one or five point seven f m h D two. 327 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,239 Speaker 1: Real change only takes place from the bottom on up. 328 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: Real change only takes place when millions of people stand 329 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: up and fight for justice. That was Democratic presidential hopeful 330 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: Senator Bernie Sanders in California today. He was rallying a 331 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: cheering crowd. He said his administration would make fighting poverty 332 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: America's top priority and would institute a standard federal minimum 333 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: wage of fifteen dollars an hour across the country. I've 334 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: been talking with Chape and Faye Republican strategist, and Lincoln Mitchell. 335 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: Let's call him a Democratic strategist. At the he's more 336 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: of a police analyst. So let's Japan. I'll start with you, 337 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. It seems as if March third, one third 338 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: of all delegates will be allocated on Super Tuesday. Is 339 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: that going to be a super Super Tuesday for Bernie Sanders? 340 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think he has the momentum right now. UM, 341 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, Mayor Bloomberg is the huge 342 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: X factor. You know, no one's voted for him yet, UM, 343 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: no votes have been cast for him yet. And I 344 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: think you know his whole you know, well, I know, 345 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: we all know his strategy very openly is to compete 346 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: in the Super Tuesday states. So I think there's a 347 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: chance that he could could take the momentum from Bernie. 348 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: But right now it looks like, you know, Bernie's got 349 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: the momentum, and I think that Super Tuesday could be 350 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: a very good day for for Bernie's states like New York, 351 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, very progressive. The people who vote in UM 352 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: in those primaries are the activists, they're the progressives, and 353 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think they're I think they're voting for 354 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: a guy like Bernie. So Lincoln, what does he have 355 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: to What numbers does he have to get on Super 356 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: Tuesday to lock it up, to lock it up, or 357 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: to lock it up to lock it up of all 358 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: the pledge delegates after Super by Super Tuesday through Super Tuesday, 359 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: he's got to get and he won't be there. I 360 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: would be surprised. I expect him to have more than 361 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: anybody else. I expect him to have about forty, so 362 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, I would say of the overall pledge delegates. 363 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: The things to look for in my view, are too 364 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: one who ends the day in second place. If that 365 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg, then we have a two person race between 366 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: the candidates that are probably unacceptable to the largest groups 367 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: within the party. So that that could be an interesting 368 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: scenario if Biden or just picking Biden, but it could 369 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: be Warren whomever else edges past Bloomberg. Then I think 370 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 1: the rationale for Michael bloomberg candidacy other than that he 371 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: can continue to spend money and his consultants will continue 372 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: you want to collect that money evaporates pretty quickly. The 373 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 1: other thing to look at is on Super Tuesday, New 374 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: York doesn't go, but California does, which is the biggest state, 375 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: four hundred delicate more than four hundred delegates, but for 376 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: her in fifty delegates to get on the board in California, 377 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: you need to get or more any candidate who does 378 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: not break that threshold, and the only ones that I 379 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: can see are guaranteed to do it right now are 380 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: Sanders and Bloomberg. Parenthetically, voting has begun there because of 381 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: early voting. I know that because my mother, for example, 382 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: has already voted in California. Won't say for home, but 383 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: you did, but it wasn't the Democratic primary. If you 384 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: don't get that percent and don't get your bite of California, 385 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: you're done. You're a fringe candidate. And I know for example, 386 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: Amy Klobuchar has gone off the air there, so eight 387 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: percent of the votes in California, right, which would be 388 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: more than three or four states combined. It doesn't matter, 389 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: you're not you're not in place. So those are the 390 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: two things to look for. If, however, again three or 391 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: four candidates break that, that means we're going past Super 392 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: Tuesday with a front runner, but with a lot else 393 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: in play, because everyone else is then playing not to 394 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: get the nomination. No one is going to catch up 395 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: with with Sanders not to get the nomination directly at 396 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: that point. But what they're playing for is how much 397 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: weight they bring to what could potentially be a broken 398 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: convention and shapen What about What are your views on 399 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: can Klobachar and Warren Biden and Buddha judge do they 400 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: still have a chance? Well, I think to Lincoln's point. 401 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if if multiple candidates are still in the 402 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: running when you go into convention, then anyone has a chance. Right. Um, 403 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, stranger things have happened, um on the on 404 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: the you know, the second, third, fourth, fifth, six ballots, 405 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: Um right. I do. I do wonder how Bernie supporters 406 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: will take that. I do know that, you know, the 407 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: DNC is very um sensitive to how you know, charges 408 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: of it rigging it for Hillary last time, So I 409 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: think they'll be susceptible to the Bernie bros. Making a 410 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: huge fuss if it seems like that's going to happen again. Um. 411 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: You know, Bloomberg has the money to uh compete. Uh. 412 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: And you know, I think they're just gonna be They're 413 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna go out of their way to make 414 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: it look fair and balanced the vote. So I think 415 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: it's anyone's game. Um. You know, I think Sanders has 416 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: has a very good shot, and I think, um, the 417 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: real wild card here is you know, as a Republican, 418 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: the concern is always that every Democrat is going to 419 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is because of the 420 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: visual hatred of President Trump. I'm not sure that Bernie 421 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,239 Speaker 1: is going to uh make that happen. I don't know, 422 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: if you know the supporters of the more moderates, the Bidens, 423 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg's, if Bernie's the nominee, are they coming out? 424 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: Are they going to be as excited and is as 425 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: engaged as they would be for Bernie I just as 426 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: someone else. I just don't know. I would just add 427 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: a couple of things. As you talked about a potentially 428 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: broken convention. Fourth of six ballots. Remember you don't have 429 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: to have run to be in the mix there. Will 430 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: you explain? Just just take us back for one second. 431 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: Explain what what happens technically and the first one we're 432 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: having this election and now all these primaries and everything 433 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: like that. Everyone, when you vote, you're actually voting for delegates. 434 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: You see the delegate count on television, on the websites 435 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 1: and newspapers and all of that. At the convention, those 436 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: delegates are not check marks. They're actual, living, breathing people 437 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: that are elected to the convention. There is then a vote. 438 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: If a candidate, according to the rules, gets plus one 439 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: of those delegates on the first ballot, they're the nominee. 440 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: And that's what's happened in the past, and then we 441 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: have a very you know, smooth convention. If not, after 442 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: that first ballot, two things happen. One, delegates are no 443 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: longer have to vote for the person who sent them, right, 444 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: So now they can negotiate. But if you control delegates, 445 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: then you can make make trade offs, but you can't 446 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: guarantee that everyone vote that way. And secondly, super delegates 447 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: come into play. Super delegates can vote on the second, third, 448 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: fourth ballot. Now, now, the other thing that we should 449 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: recognize here is that the Democratic Party couldn't run the 450 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Iowa caucus. Right. I would ask you, respectfully, what makes 451 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: you think that they can run this process? This could 452 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: be a very is no present for they haven't done 453 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: had to do really in my lifetime, so I'm very 454 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: concerned about that. I would just add something else about 455 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: Bernie Um. Bernie is a socialist the way I'm a 456 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: Major League baseball player. Right. He is a new deal Democrat. Right. 457 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: He's also hollers. He also he's also grumpy. He also 458 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: his supporters online can be very vicious. I would temper 459 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: this term Bernie Bros. Because if he wins in California Nevada, 460 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: it's not the Bernie bros. Is the Bernie Hermanos who 461 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: are carrying him over his He has a much more 462 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: diverse coalition than he had last time. May not be 463 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: as big, but it is meaningfully more diverse. The question 464 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: for the centrist, more moderate wing of the Democratic Party is, 465 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: after generations of lecturing the left about how they have 466 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: to be on board with losers like Michael Ducacus and 467 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: Al Gore and even Hillary Clinton, are they going to 468 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: stay home when the left wins one. Now, I'm uncommitted 469 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: in this. I don't know who I'm voting for, but 470 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: I think what you're seeing is that people like Nancy Pelosi, 471 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: the real heavyweights in the party, the Obama's and the Schumer's, 472 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: are are preparing to say to the voters, Hey, the 473 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: is a new deal Democrat. It's not that unusual. So 474 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: I think we don't we don't know that. We also 475 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: do know that Sanders has a much greater repeal among 476 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: those magical Obama Trump voters than any other Democratic candidate 477 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: in the race. He wins those voter according in primary polls, 478 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: he does much better there. So the potential, you know, 479 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't write off anyone is unelectable in January, 480 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: excuse me, a December of two thousand seven, it was 481 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: axiomatic that Barack Obama was unelectable, and a December of 482 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen it was equally unelectable, equally axiomatic that 483 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was well. Now, former Senate Minority leader or 484 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: majority leader, actually, Harry Reid said he thinks that Bernie 485 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: Sanders will tack to the middle if he wins the 486 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: Democratic nomination, despite all evidence to the contrary. He is 487 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: a millionaire after all. Well, right, the Democrats have don't 488 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 1: have a problem. They only have a problem with They 489 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: don't have a problem with money to the sender's not 490 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: a degree, right, they have a problem with billionaires, but 491 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: they don't have a problem with millionaires. Well, Barney used 492 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: to have a problem with millionaire. Well, right, and when 493 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: when Bernie's a Billionaire's not gonna have a problem with billionaires. 494 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: But when is Bernie gonna be a billionaire? I don't know. Um, 495 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: a few more books down the road, right, But so 496 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: the only thing I would disagree with is that I 497 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: just don't think you can walk back, uh Bernie Sanders 498 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: being a socialist, He has called himself a socialist the 499 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: ideas that he has espousing, um our socialist ideas, UM. 500 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: Some of them are you know, more centrist progressive ideas 501 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: for sure, and and where where the Democratic Party is. 502 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: But I just don't think you can walk that back. 503 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: So he can try to run to the middle, but 504 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's going to be believable. And 505 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: you know that's another reason, you know, I think President 506 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: Trump is going to be re elected because people just 507 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: don't respect that. You know, that was one of the 508 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: round these problems. He was clearly going to say and 509 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: do anything it took to get elected. And I don't 510 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: think voters, you know, a Merriica voters don't don't respect that. 511 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: And I don't they will respect Bernie if he stands 512 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: up for what he believes in. It runs to the left. 513 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: All right, Coming up, we're gonna be talking about the 514 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: top stories of the week. And Michael Bloomberg, who is 515 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: seeking obviously the Democratic presidential nomination, is the founder and 516 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: majority owner of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg Radio. 517 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm June Grosso. You're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg's 518 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: sound on with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg and one oh 519 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: five point seven f m h D two Bagier has 520 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: a very good chance of exoneration in my opinion. Roger, 521 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: of course, is Roger Stone, President Trump's longtime friend and 522 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: campaign advisor, who was sentenced to more than two three 523 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: years in prison by a federal judge on Thursday, after 524 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: much political turmoil and legal drama the week before. Whole 525 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: week about I've been joined by Lincoln Mitchell. He is 526 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: political analyst who teaches political science at Columbia University. Chapin Faye, 527 00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: founder of Lighthouse Advisors and Republicans Strategists. So this week 528 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: and it took about It was about a week of 529 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: political turmoil, with William Barr intervening in the sentencing recommendations, 530 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: the four prosecutors in the initial team resigning from the case. 531 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: President Trump repeatedly tweeting and even live tweeting during the sentencing, 532 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: and then he has said he has hinted at a pardon, 533 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: but said he thinks he could be exonerated and he's 534 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: going to wait. This to me, Lincoln was much ado 535 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: about nothing because the judge came down with the middle 536 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: of the road sentence, which most observers legal observers thought 537 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: that would be the exact range should be in. So 538 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: why all the hubbub from Bill barr Well, the words 539 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: middle ground compromise our concepts with which our president is 540 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: not exactly deeply familiar. He has to win and destroy 541 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: his opponents or he's going to lose. And Roger Stone 542 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: is his guy. I'm not sure why at this point, 543 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: but he's his guy, and he wants Roger Stone to walk. 544 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: But going into an election, which in Trump's mind is 545 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: always going into an election, he has to keep signaling 546 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: that there's a deep state conspiracy out to get me, 547 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: and if Roger Stone fits into that narrative, that's where 548 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is gonna put him. So that's how I 549 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: see this chapin. Do you think that too much was 550 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: made of the Roger Stone case? I mean, also, what 551 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: do you make of those high profile uh clemency pardon 552 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: grants that Trump did just a few days ago. Well, 553 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: if you can pardon rober Lagoyevic, you can certainly pardon 554 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: Roger Stone, right, Um, you know, he sold a Senate seat. 555 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: Roger was just you know, lying to Congress um, which 556 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: we can talk about the irony there. Uh And hyppocricy 557 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: there later uh, different difference. Also witnessed witness tempers where 558 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: the judge really honed and it also he had the 559 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: judge it's on social media. He had the judge in 560 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: crosshairs at the beginning of the trial, which was not 561 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: a good move. No, no, And you know that's why 562 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: there was a gag order because you know, if if 563 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: Roger can be kinda to do something, it's uh, it's that. Um. 564 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: I do think too much was made of it. You 565 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: know this in the Trump era, you know, this is 566 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: this is what happens when you you can't get the 567 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: principle and you sort of are going for the peripheral 568 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: guys like Roger Stone. Uh, and everyone gets all excited. 569 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: And you know in the social media reality TV show era, Um, 570 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, you can't have just a legal jury trial 571 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: and not be the end of it. You have to 572 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,719 Speaker 1: have all this hyperbolee um and everything. But you know, 573 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: Roger committed crimes and now he's gonna, you know, pay 574 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: the price. And again, if the president wants to pardon him, 575 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: that's the that's certainly the president's prerogative. I think most 576 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: legal analysts agree that it is very unlikely that Roger 577 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: Stone is going to spend any time behind bars, because 578 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: if that seems to happen, the judge has put off 579 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: his turning himself into prison until after she hears motions 580 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: about a new trial. And then I think if it 581 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: ever comes to pass that he's ordered to prison, President 582 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: Trump will step in. He certainly set the groundwork for it. Well, 583 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: now let's look ahead. What's on your radar this week? Lincoln? Well, 584 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking at two things. One is Nevada. Uh, Nevada 585 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: caucus is tomorrow. Nevada. I'm told the caucus is tomorrow, 586 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: and we can expect thing. We're expecting a win for 587 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. If that doesn't happen, that would really shake 588 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: up this race. The thing I'm looking at is who 589 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: comes in second. If Elizabeth warrened you know, doesn't come 590 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: in second, that leads us to believe that what the 591 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: consensus was was a great debate. But if you can't 592 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: turn it into a second place finish, that's not good. 593 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: If she does. If if Joe Biden comes in second, 594 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: then he comes in second and then next week win 595 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: South Carolina and he goes into Super Tuesday with that 596 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: comeback kid narrative that the media loves so much. So 597 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: in Nevada, it's not a question of who comes in first, 598 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: but watch who comes in second. All right on your radar, 599 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: chapin uh similar, Um, you know, in Nevada, we're gonna 600 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: it's it's a much more diverse electorate than we have seen. 601 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: So I think some of the candidates who are um 602 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: saying that's their strategy, like Joe Biden's, as his support 603 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: in the black community is high. Um, you know, we'll 604 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: see that also Unions. There's a very very strong Union 605 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: presence in the Nevada Democratic Um contest, So we'll see 606 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: if they're fully behind Bernie or if like Lincoln said, 607 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: you know, I think the second the second place winner 608 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: is the person to really watch. Now, if Joe Biden 609 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: does not win out and not win South Carolina, is 610 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: he done for I think he's pretty closely done for now. 611 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think if he doesn't, you know, 612 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: if he if he comes in second, you know, he's 613 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: engendered a lot of good will in the party. He 614 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: was Barack Obama's who was a historic presidency vice president. 615 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: I think if he comes in second, he could probably 616 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,479 Speaker 1: limp along for a little while longer. Um, But I 617 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: think it means he's not gonna when the when win 618 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: the nomination. But could he win a third or fourth 619 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: ballost in a in a brokered convention. Yes, sure, if 620 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: he lasts, if he can, if he doesn't need to, 621 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: he doesn't need to. If as you say, he finishes, 622 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: say second to South Carolina, he is effectively done. Whether 623 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: he stays in the race or not is moot. The 624 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: at that point is not can you pick up an 625 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: extra three or four or even thirty or forty delegates 626 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: before the convention? The question is can you do the 627 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: back room stuff and engender enough goodwill so that you're 628 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: the place the party lands, And for Biden that would 629 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: be very simple. Can you make uh? Can you you 630 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: build the relationship with the Bernie people so that if 631 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: that's where the party goes, they're gonna be okay. That's 632 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: going to be the key to coming out of a second, third, 633 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: fourth ballot for anybody. And speaking of that, can the 634 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: Bernie people build coalitions? Can they make nice to get 635 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: more delicates on their side? There's no evidence of that 636 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: at this point. To be quite honest, I mean he's 637 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: going to have to he's going to have to try um, 638 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: but there's just no evidence of that. I mean, they're 639 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: they're they're angry bros. And if it doesn't go for Bernie, 640 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna enjoy sitting back and watching on 641 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: the other side of the aisle. I have a questioned, 642 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: a separate question, and I'll throw it to you, Lincoln. 643 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: Bernie is not releasing his medical records. Where's the transparency? 644 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: And he's releasing ters from doctors he just had a 645 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: heart attack. This is troubling for me. Let me just 646 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: be clear. I mean, I wish all of these older 647 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: people in the race, Bloomberg, Trump, Biden, Sanders along life 648 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: and good health. How I want them to spend their lives, 649 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: Some of them in the White House, some of them 650 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: perhaps in other confined situations. That's a different question. But 651 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: I went to the best on all of them there. 652 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: On the other hand, I'm not all that concerned about 653 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: their personal health. If if Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders 654 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: and Michael Bloomberg has a health problem, their vice president 655 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: will take over. We know that when we go into 656 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: the fighting voting with I am concerned about the lack 657 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: of transparency. It's another norm that's being broken. And to 658 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: excuse it away for Bernie kind of the left wing 659 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: populace because Trump didn't do it, or to excuse away 660 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 1: Michael Bloomberg not releasing his taxes because Trump didn't do it. 661 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: This is damaging. These norms are important. So from that perspective, 662 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: I'm troubled by it. From the other perspective, I don't care. Now. 663 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: I do want to say that Michael Bloomberg has has 664 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: said that he's getting those taxes together, and we can 665 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: imagine that they're very complicated taxes, but we have heard 666 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: that I presumably as tax from previous years, he could 667 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: release them. I mean, it's all right. And let me 668 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 1: just say once again that Michael Bloomberg is the founder 669 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: majority owner of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg Radio. 670 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: About a minute here, Chapin. What bothers you about? What? 671 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: I'm a New Yorker A lot of nondisclosure agreements? Is 672 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: it Bernie Sanders not releasing his We know that what 673 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: New Yorkers. What bothers me is that the city has 674 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: gotten very dirty. Yeah, well, so, uh, the first thing 675 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: I will say is I would love to have a 676 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: clash of the New York Titans, Donald, you know, billionaire Titans. 677 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: I think that would be very fun to watch. I 678 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: don't know, uh, well, whether it'll be good for the country, 679 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: but it'll be fun to watch. Um. What bothers me 680 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: is sort of building on on what Lincoln was saying earlier, 681 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: is that, um, the hypocrisy. Um. You know, when Trump 682 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: does someone President Trump's does something, it's the end of 683 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: the world. Everyone's head explodes, and you know the Republic 684 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: is going to fall off a cliff. When Bernie Sanders 685 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: does the same thing, it's okay, it's you know, he 686 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: has very good reasons for it. You know, it's the 687 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 1: we have to take out Trump and some heads exploding. 688 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: But no one quietly, no, only then only the Bernie 689 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: supporters think it's okay that he hasn't released medical records. 690 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: I think there's a consensus that is not okay. All right, Well, 691 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: you have the last word, or you do. I don't 692 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: know which it was. Thanks thanks to both Lincoln Mitchell, 693 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: he teaches political science at Columbia University, author and political analysts, 694 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: and Chapin Fay, founder of Lighthouse Advisors and Republican Strategists. 695 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm June Grosso sitting in for Kevin Crelli. You're listening 696 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg and remember to download the Bloomberg Sound on podcast, 697 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: on iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by downloading the 698 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business app. Have a great weekend. Thanks for listening. 699 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm June Grosso. This is Bloomberg.