Speaker 1: Yo, what's up? This is High Tone and I'm right
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Speaker 2: Ooh all right man, Yo, Bootleg cap podcast. We got
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Speaker 1: Boom, what's up?
Speaker 2: What's up? I just was on your podcast, the No
Speaker 2: Lames podcast?
Speaker 1: You were How are you been doing that since January? So?
Speaker 2: But it was already a podcast before you were official.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I got new year, new new things.
Speaker 1: They wanted to kind of like just bring in like
Speaker 1: some new talent, new hosts. And I've known Rocky since
Speaker 1: for fifteen years now, so he's always told me, Bro,
Speaker 1: try a podcast. Try And I'm like, Dog, I just
Speaker 1: got so much on my plate that I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like I could do it alone, right, you know, So
Speaker 1: just jumping on board with two homies, I felt more comfortable.
Speaker 1: It's been cool learning experience, Like I come into any situation,
Speaker 1: I don't really know too much about it, and I'm
Speaker 1: just soaked the game up? Dog in is it?
Speaker 2: Uh? Once a week Thursdays.
Speaker 1: Every Thursday, live on our YouTube channel, And Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the hardest part, BRO has just been juggling everything
Speaker 1: dog because I you know, with the tatting and the
Speaker 1: music and you know the things that I do, like
Speaker 1: setting another couple hours aside Bro to do that at night.
Speaker 1: It's it's that's been the difficult thing for me. Uh.
Speaker 2: Obviously you've always tattooed. Would you say because we kind
Speaker 2: of talked about this a little bit, you kind of
Speaker 2: like I did. I don't. I'm gonna say you took
Speaker 2: all the way to step back from music, but I
Speaker 2: feel like you're a lot more active like ten years
Speaker 2: ago maybe right, Yeah, I mean, I mean you just
Speaker 2: put an EP out with Steels.
Speaker 1: I've always I mean I've been consistent, like yearly putting
Speaker 1: music out. But yeah, I mean there was a there
Speaker 1: was moments in my career where I would drop three
Speaker 1: four albums a year.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying there was like a point in time
Speaker 2: where you were super super pressing the gas. Would you said,
Speaker 2: what would is there something because I feel like you
Speaker 2: got the itch again to like really go go in
Speaker 2: like that because I just saw you were shooting content
Speaker 2: with Gee Perico and yeah, would you say that, like,
Speaker 2: what would would be the biggest uh inspiration, that kind
Speaker 2: of because you say, we're going to talk about it
Speaker 2: on the air.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean we you know, we were on
Speaker 1: the podcast and you were like, you're not like, you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't say it consistent. You're like, you're like, you know, you're.
Speaker 2: Not consistent most other artists.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I have twenty albums out on Spotify.
Speaker 1: There's not too many artists that is even doing music
Speaker 1: right now, Bro, that is in that category of consistency
Speaker 1: and dropping music. You can't sustain that and withhold that
Speaker 1: pressure for twenty years, dog for fifteen years. I mean
Speaker 1: it's unheard of too, you know, drop that much music.
Speaker 1: So when my foot was on the gas, Bro and
Speaker 1: I was dropping three four albums a year, it was
Speaker 1: just a stage in my life, Bro, where I felt
Speaker 1: like music was the only thing on my mind and
Speaker 1: that I could make money off of. And as I
Speaker 1: got older, BRO, and realized the music game is pretty
Speaker 1: much trash when it comes financially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're really not gonna make any music. The catalog's
Speaker 2: cool because you know, it accumulates and then you get
Speaker 2: that nice monthly residual, but like in terms of like,
Speaker 2: what streams actually pay you.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna You're not buying a crib, You're not
Speaker 1: not for sure. So as I got older, Bro, I
Speaker 1: was like, man, like, I need to have my hands
Speaker 1: in different baskets to accumulate one big part of the month. Dog.
Speaker 2: So that's why most people should like, I think every artist,
Speaker 2: no matter how big or small they are, should have that.
Speaker 1: One thousand percent dog. And that's what I'm getting to like.
Speaker 1: It may seem like I'm not as active musically, but
Speaker 1: I just figured out how to do multiple things at
Speaker 1: the same time. And when you do that, one thing's
Speaker 1: gonna slack a little bit, whether that's tatting music. So
Speaker 1: I'm making music money tattoo money.
Speaker 2: But you also, like were slacking on the tattoo and
Speaker 2: when you were full.
Speaker 1: Of You're never ever gonna be one hundred percent into
Speaker 1: one thing unless that's all you do.
Speaker 2: Bro, And then like the tattoo game for you is
Speaker 2: very very uh, it's lucrative. It's lucrative. Yeah, right, I
Speaker 2: mean you're great at tatts, dude, Like thank you, Bro,
Speaker 2: And like most people will be like, yeah, tattoo and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, do you But.
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I came from some of the greats, Bro.
Speaker 1: I was able to be molded and and really learn
Speaker 1: how to tattoo from the greatest out there. Bro. And
Speaker 1: I mean I don't take that for granted. And it
Speaker 1: was just another hustle dog to help me create music independently.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: I took that tat money and put it into rat money.
Speaker 2: Right were you did you have to go through like
Speaker 2: that whole Like what did they call it when you're
Speaker 2: coming up as a tattooer.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're the bitch of the shop.
Speaker 2: What did they call it? Though?
Speaker 1: Apprenticeship?
Speaker 2: Yeah, apprenticeship, So you had to do all that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: tattoo oranges and shit.
Speaker 1: I mean back then, dog, it wasn't even about the tatting.
Speaker 1: They wanted. They wanted to run you through the mud
Speaker 1: and see if you it even surviving the game. Like
Speaker 1: you're cleaning up piss and throw up from fools drinking,
Speaker 1: you're dealing with the drunks that come. You're not learning
Speaker 1: how to tat right away.
Speaker 2: Right, They just got to see how serious you are
Speaker 2: about wanting to be around it. There it is, Oh
Speaker 2: and then maybe we'll teach you some share it is right.
Speaker 1: There, So I went through the gut or Dog.
Speaker 2: Are you would you say your specialties like black and white.
Speaker 1: Black and gray, realistic? Yeah, you know, it's a It's
Speaker 1: a big form of art now, Bro, you could see
Speaker 1: everyone doing it. Dog. But you know, from learning back
Speaker 1: then to learning now nowadays, dog kids got Internet, kids
Speaker 1: got Instagram, kids got TikTok Bro. You can sit there
Speaker 1: by your ship and be in your kitchen and learn
Speaker 1: how to tat in a couple of months.
Speaker 2: Dog, guys, people pull up because they found you on
Speaker 2: TikTok it.
Speaker 1: It's so different, Bro. Back then there was tattoo conventions.
Speaker 2: For sure, they're coming back. They're coming back because my
Speaker 2: boy just performed a one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they and they are coming back. But it kind
Speaker 1: of was a dying kind of an event, you know,
Speaker 1: for the last like eight years. Bro. You know, Instagram
Speaker 1: came over and was like, Bro, that's your portfolio now.
Speaker 1: Before Dog, when I was dropping my original first mixtapes,
Speaker 1: me and Nipsey would be doing the same thing. Dog.
Speaker 1: We'd hit a tattoo convention. He'd have homies put mixtapes
Speaker 1: in his backpack. I'd have homies put mixtapes in my backpack.
Speaker 1: And we were like the only rappers in that scene.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: Actually every boot you would see, you would see a
Speaker 1: nit hustle and a high toned mixtape on every single
Speaker 1: tattoo booth out there, like it was the start. It
Speaker 1: was groundwork.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I mean it's crazy too, because like that
Speaker 2: world is like super it's like a niche world. But dude,
Speaker 2: there's money in that shit. Like I've had homies who've
Speaker 2: like made good money just you know, once or twice
Speaker 2: a year. They're going to do their tour, but they're
Speaker 2: also going to do some tattoo convention and some random
Speaker 2: city and pick up a bag. What are your thoughts
Speaker 2: of just like when you first got in to now
Speaker 2: because I feel like you with the people you would
Speaker 2: work with, some of the artists that you would be around,
Speaker 2: and shots of Steels too, who's been killing it as
Speaker 2: a producer. I mean that's how I found him through you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I always felt like you were a dope rapper
Speaker 2: who just happened to be Latino. And it feels like
Speaker 2: nowadays like that is a positive when it comes to
Speaker 2: like how the music business perceives artists, because it feels
Speaker 2: like being a Mexican artist is hot right now, quote unquote,
Speaker 2: the scene is growing a ton. What is your perspective
Speaker 2: on what it was like getting into the game when
Speaker 2: you did to just kind of seeing where we are
Speaker 2: now in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Four, it didn't exist really bro like it there. You know,
Speaker 1: you had your your groups or you know, your your
Speaker 1: your groups that were like Latino based or you know
Speaker 1: your Cypress heels, your lighter shade of browns, your things
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: But when there was the other end, it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, like record well.
Speaker 1: Then you got you know, your little robs, your capone
Speaker 1: these things like that. Yes, the industry didn't know how
Speaker 1: to break a non Chicano rapper that wasn't from a hood,
Speaker 1: wasn't rapping gang ship like, there was no real market
Speaker 1: for that dog, I.
Speaker 2: Mean is cap G. Atlanta Records had no idea what
Speaker 2: to do a cab G.
Speaker 1: He was. He was the first of its kind, bro
Speaker 1: and you know he even had he had people like
Speaker 1: FORU like co signing and had a lot of ouzzy
Speaker 1: and bro like he was crossing that bridge. Even though
Speaker 1: Atlanta is a little different, you know, or a lot
Speaker 1: different than Southern Cali or La Bro like, different politics,
Speaker 1: different situations, but the industry did not know what to
Speaker 1: do with it, Bro, and it was it was an
Speaker 1: uphill battle for me, Dog, Like I I fought that
Speaker 1: every single day of my life. Dog. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: had meetings with no Id, Bro. I had people that
Speaker 1: were really, really, really really fans of what I was doing.
Speaker 1: And even then, Bro, being that much of an influential producer,
Speaker 1: you know, someone like no Id, Like, there was not
Speaker 1: there was no gang plan.
Speaker 2: For it, Bro, we don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: We just we just don't, like, we don't know, you know.
Speaker 1: And then it gradually. I think it just social media, Bro,
Speaker 1: And just like there's a ton of Mexicans out here, Dog,
Speaker 1: and talented ones. So I think it was just about
Speaker 1: the world being able to see there was not just
Speaker 1: a certain type of Mexican that the movies portray. Every
Speaker 1: character in the movie is gonna be a similar character.
Speaker 1: Like we had that stampoint.
Speaker 2: What's the name of the actor, what's the name of
Speaker 2: that actor who plays? Oh, he plays in every type
Speaker 2: cast to do the ball, Dude, is it fast and
Speaker 2: Furious and Hector Hector?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's He's Hector and every Yeah. So that
Speaker 1: was that thing that we it was like we had
Speaker 1: a hole that was created for us to try to
Speaker 1: dig out of. And I think it's kind of here now. Brolight.
Speaker 2: Also, like when we're talking about like the fastest growing
Speaker 2: population in the country, if we're talking about like you know,
Speaker 2: I think to like the younger generation of Chicanos or
Speaker 2: Mexican population, they also like they grew up like like
Speaker 2: now they're growing up listening to everybody, right, and so
Speaker 2: I think they're like I feel like back in the day,
Speaker 2: like you know, there wasn't for whatever reason, it was
Speaker 2: just hard to have certain artists get embraced by that community.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was like I just feel like nowadays, like people
Speaker 2: are showing up, showing out like there's like fool, there's
Speaker 2: like a full there's a wave dog, it's a wave,
Speaker 2: and it's like an infrastructure where you have like blogs
Speaker 2: that are big, you have food community, you got food's
Speaker 2: gone wild and and you know even on the corrido,
Speaker 2: shit like that shit taken off. And I think for
Speaker 2: the top five streaming Latin artists are bad bunnies one
Speaker 2: of them. The other four Mexican artists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Basol probably.
Speaker 2: Pesol Pluma for the junior h and I forget the
Speaker 2: other one. But it just shows you, like yo, it
Speaker 2: almost like on a grand scale, world scale, like Reggaetone
Speaker 2: was the most consumed Spanish music even in Mexico at times. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's like now it's like, okay, well you know,
Speaker 2: now you got these groups that are doing traditional corrido shit,
Speaker 2: but they look like rappers. Yeah, so the young kids
Speaker 2: are embracing that shit. They're like, this is dope.
Speaker 1: If you can make people want to look like you, bro,
Speaker 1: you're already on the right path for sure. You know
Speaker 1: the images everything, bro, Like it used to be traditional,
Speaker 1: the boots and the button ups, and it was like
Speaker 1: some different type. Now, Bro, you wouldn't know if he's
Speaker 1: a rapper for sure or or for sure you know,
Speaker 1: in that genre of music, like right for you.
Speaker 2: Being like where you're from, Like obviously Roddy Rax has
Speaker 2: been doing this thing just the whole SGV is. I
Speaker 2: feel like having a moment, you know, Lefty yourself, we
Speaker 2: just had we just had Roddy racks up here not
Speaker 2: long ago. You have it, you guys put a dope
Speaker 2: record out too or no, no, no, I've heard it.
Speaker 2: You said to me, Oh, wait a minute, are you
Speaker 2: texting it? Yeah, but I don't know if I was
Speaker 2: supposed to say that.
Speaker 1: But you no, you're good. Yeah, that's coming out in
Speaker 1: the next three four weeks. I got five albums done.
Speaker 1: I worked all last year for this year.
Speaker 2: So when you are you working with Steel? I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously you just dropped the epeople Steels, but are you
Speaker 2: kind of keeping it like the same team is that
Speaker 2: we've kind of known you to be with everyone knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when it comes up producing typically it Steals is
Speaker 1: producing ninety nine percent of my shit just because it's
Speaker 1: you know, other's dog like we don't we don't got
Speaker 1: to go in there. And what do you no, Bro?
Speaker 1: This how I'm feeling boom This how it's gonna feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's plug and play with us?
Speaker 2: Is everything gonna be solo stuff or is it any
Speaker 2: other collab stuff?
Speaker 1: Because nah, yeah, I got a couple. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: down to, you know, continue like collaborating with like collab
Speaker 1: project like drop the Calabby p Steals in Young Alb.
Speaker 1: But there's not really no other like with another artist, bro.
Speaker 2: Just you know, and you were just with ge Perico.
Speaker 2: Was it in Palm Springs?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bro, we got this crazy airbnb fucking mean Steals
Speaker 1: LB just you know, it was for Stell's birthday and
Speaker 1: it was dope because we got to hang out, Bro
Speaker 1: outside of the industry. Dog, you get to really get to.
Speaker 2: Just talk, bro, Like we're not here for anything except
Speaker 2: just to kick it.
Speaker 1: Just hang out, bro, and you get to really like
Speaker 1: know what people are on. Dog, Like some of us
Speaker 1: have the same issues, complaints, same problems, same you know,
Speaker 1: you just don't get that when you're in the studio
Speaker 1: trying to cut records, you know, And I mean I
Speaker 1: think that should be a little bit more done more
Speaker 1: often with artists. Bro, everything just seems to be work.
Speaker 2: You know what, though, I think it takes a guy
Speaker 2: like Steals to bring people together. Yeah. Hey he's a
Speaker 2: producer for a lot of people. Hey, I'm doing a
Speaker 2: birthday ship. I'm gonna bring Yeah, he brought Yellow, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's like, you know, you kind
Speaker 2: of need a catalyst to sometimes rappers aren't going to
Speaker 2: just hang out on their own for the most part.
Speaker 1: It's Yeah, it's just weird, Bro. It's because it's always
Speaker 1: like some weird a competition competition thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, it's not that serious. Like, bro, people
Speaker 2: like steals are needed. Yeah, one thousand, So you have
Speaker 2: five albums done, done, and so what's the plan.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Bro, Now in my career, I get
Speaker 1: to do whatever the fuck I want.
Speaker 2: Are you going straight? Distro Kid too.
Speaker 1: I'm still an Empire Okay, I got a distro with them.
Speaker 1: I'm not in recoop, don't owe them no money. So
Speaker 1: it's pretty much just like a distro.
Speaker 2: You're like one of the og Empire guys too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would assume. I mean I brought that Tory
Speaker 1: Lanes record to them when they.
Speaker 2: Were was the twenty fourteen Yeah.
Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen to fifteen. But uh yeah, I'm just with
Speaker 1: them because we've We've done a lot of business, broke
Speaker 1: a lot of bread and souper. We're cutting dry, dog, Like,
Speaker 1: when I want to drop something, you drop it, and
Speaker 1: if it does numbers and I need support, I can
Speaker 1: always ask them for support.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: That's what I've what I've earned with them.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: You know when you go to dishtro Kid, when you
Speaker 1: go to Gentry over there, which doesn't gentry is Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, manage me for for some time and still
Speaker 1: manages still, so everything's still there. The thing is is,
Speaker 1: I don't have the pressure no more.
Speaker 2: Dog Like like, I'm doing this because I want to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Because I love it, And when I don't do it,
Speaker 1: there's an empty piece in me that's missing, dog and
Speaker 1: that will affect my you know, being a brother, being
Speaker 1: a husband, being a you know, a friend, Like I
Speaker 1: something in me when it's when I'm not doing music,
Speaker 1: I'm just not a happy person. And it doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be I need to be the biggest artist in
Speaker 1: the world anymore. Dog Like. I'm doing it for the
Speaker 1: reasons because I because I just want to now, bro,
Speaker 1: and enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Explain to me your fitness journey, because you've gotten like
Speaker 2: fucking you know, you're in good shape now. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: I feel like you were never like a fat guy,
Speaker 2: you know, but I was.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because you don't think you're sloppy until you
Speaker 1: have something to compare yourself with. You get me, a
Speaker 1: this car looks clean, but then when you wash the
Speaker 1: car next to it, it looks dirty. So it's all
Speaker 1: I did, Bro, I was sitting here like, man, I'm
Speaker 1: getting I'm getting older, Bro, I have the things that
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people wishing dream for a
Speaker 1: dog Like I want to be healthy too, Bro, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And my boy Triple Og was
Speaker 1: just like, dog like you got everything, Dog, Like, you
Speaker 1: just need to get yourself right, take some time for you.
Speaker 1: Tone like everything is always about business or this, or
Speaker 1: take care of yourself because that's your vessel. Dog, And
Speaker 1: I think that's what everyone misses here. Bro is like,
Speaker 1: no matter, Dog, if you get a Lamborghini tomorrow, do
Speaker 1: you gotta service it, Bro, the oil, the tires, things
Speaker 1: gotta change, bro, or else it's going to fall the shit.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how expensive it is or what you got,
Speaker 1: It will fall apart if you don't take care of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. So when you put that in my brain, Dog,
Speaker 1: I was like, Ahi, Bro, I'm gonna try this. Dog.
Speaker 1: I've tried everything else in my life. Like, let me
Speaker 1: try to like get like in shape, right, because I
Speaker 1: was always one of them fools Like, hey, Bro, I
Speaker 1: don't really do this to get in shape, dog, I
Speaker 1: just want to feel good. Like, but when you start
Speaker 1: to see the change, your whole entire life changes, Dog,
Speaker 1: like your confidence everything around you starts to get better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like people will attempt to get into shape,
Speaker 2: and it's usually the people who see the results who
Speaker 2: stick with it, or at least they they started long
Speaker 2: enough to see the results. Because once you start seeing results,
Speaker 2: it becomes like I would maybe a little add and
Speaker 2: so it's like, but most people don't make it to
Speaker 2: that point exactly. They're not disciplined enough to realize, like
Speaker 2: Rome wasn't built in one day. And you know, I
Speaker 2: think with fitness and even a diet dude to me,
Speaker 2: because the hardest thing.
Speaker 1: Is d eating right.
Speaker 2: And so it's like, if you could just stick with
Speaker 2: a diet for like ninety days a month.
Speaker 1: If you just do it, see thirty dog, You're going
Speaker 1: to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's like that's anything thing.
Speaker 2: This Like I've lost thirty pounds since probably May Wow,
Speaker 2: just doing keto and I work out every day and
Speaker 2: like I'm like getting like defining and getting a little
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like fucking working out every day.
Speaker 1: But you begin to enjoy it.
Speaker 2: But it's funny too because then I also like psych
Speaker 2: myself out because I see the results and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of getting like defined and like, but I
Speaker 2: also I'm like, fuck, I still got a little bit
Speaker 2: of that belly still hanging dog, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like last night, I was in my garage, like because
Speaker 2: I have a full little gym at the crib has
Speaker 2: in my garage, like lifting wights in the mirror, and
Speaker 2: I bent over to pick up a weight and I
Speaker 2: looked over, I saw my belly and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, fuck the hardest.
Speaker 2: I I got more shit, I got more work to do,
Speaker 2: you know. And then I was like damn, like because
Speaker 2: I don't eat sugar anymore or carbs, and I was
Speaker 2: but I do drink a ton of energy drinks and
Speaker 2: I drink but I have like at least at least
Speaker 2: five diet cokes a week. Okay, but I feel like
Speaker 2: but I feel like when I'm looking at my belly,
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, maybe I just need to go straight
Speaker 2: water dog for like six months, Like I gotta stop
Speaker 2: fucking with these energy drinks and maybe I just need
Speaker 2: to just do water. I'm like, that belly shit bothers
Speaker 2: me because I'm like, damn, I've been doing so yeah,
Speaker 2: And I'm like you know, I'm getting a lot stronger,
Speaker 2: like you know, but but but it's always there's always
Speaker 2: work to be done. So what did you do? And
Speaker 2: obviously you change your diet? Right, But then the triple
Speaker 2: og guy who I got to meet, he's got a
Speaker 2: big fitness page. He's like in the backyard doing burpes, like,
Speaker 2: don't be a fucking pussy yelling at you. And so
Speaker 2: what was like your regiment that you started to do that?
Speaker 1: Like, it's it's not even the workout, dog, it's back
Speaker 1: to the diet food. It's that if you can cut
Speaker 1: out you're already cutting the sugar out, the carbs out,
Speaker 1: it's the it's the fats with it too, in the
Speaker 1: amount of protein that you're getting. It's a science. Dog Like,
Speaker 1: once he broke it down to me, everyone always goes, dog,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go on a diet because I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose my strength. Well, bro, the minute
Speaker 1: you go on a diet and lose your body fat
Speaker 1: is then when you could start becoming to look really union,
Speaker 1: you know. So it was just about cutting out my fat,
Speaker 1: dog Like, I went from probably twenty four percent body
Speaker 1: fat to five point four percent.
Speaker 2: And that was you like you were still being able
Speaker 2: to eat carbs though, like brown rice, so.
Speaker 1: Very little, very little, you're talking about it maybe a
Speaker 1: cup of.
Speaker 2: Day, right, But and so from there you would high protein.
Speaker 1: High protein, low calorie, low carb, low fat, done bro,
Speaker 1: no sugar. It's that simple, bro.
Speaker 2: And then what about what about your like how many days.
Speaker 1: I'm working six five, six days a week and it's
Speaker 1: really just high intensity, low weight, high rep bro, Like
Speaker 1: none of this. I'm the strongest in the gym, bolt,
Speaker 1: none of that, Bro. Just your heart needs to keep You.
Speaker 2: Got to keep your heart ring for sure, Like I
Speaker 2: always will do like if I'm working out I'll do
Speaker 2: jump rope in between each set because I'm in my garage.
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah it doesn't. You're not in the gym.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not in the gym, like, hold on god.
Speaker 2: So like in my garage, I'm just killing you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So you and I see you do burpies and all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like if you're doing curls, bro, do
Speaker 1: your curls and that thirty second break, dog, do burpies,
Speaker 1: do pushups, do sit ups, do jump.
Speaker 2: Keep your heart and then really, if you do that.
Speaker 1: You really need to do thirty minutes, and you can
Speaker 1: do that cardio, because that's cardio.
Speaker 2: If you can do that thirty minutes straight and keep
Speaker 2: your fucking heart rate that high for thirty minutes, Bro,
Speaker 2: there's no excuse. You got the time you're yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. So when are you going to start? Obviously
Speaker 2: said in a few weeks you're gonna drop the record
Speaker 2: at Rowdy're like, what are you going to start rolling
Speaker 2: out some of the new stuff?
Speaker 1: I just rolled out the last project without being stills.
Speaker 1: I'm going to wait about three four weeks, dog drop
Speaker 1: the Rowdy single, drop this project off of the Rowdy single,
Speaker 1: and then boom.
Speaker 2: Now that Rowdy's dope. Dude.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's very very talented. Yeah, man, bro, and
Speaker 1: not only just the rapping bro, he's a very smart, humble,
Speaker 1: and intelligent person. When we got him on our podcast,
Speaker 1: you can just tell.
Speaker 2: Bro no, when we when we had him on the show,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to think of the guy. You know,
Speaker 2: I just liked him as I heard the record he
Speaker 2: had with Dres and the record he had with Sugar Free,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I like the way this dude
Speaker 2: raps like he's fire. But then talking to him, I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, this dude's like like you said, he's
Speaker 2: like a he's got a really great career ahead of him.
Speaker 1: He does Bro, and good people around him, Bro, for sure.
Speaker 1: You know he's got old trow Bro, he's got his
Speaker 1: you know, his team. You know, Triple Og is from
Speaker 1: that same cloth, in same hood. Like, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of good people that you could look up to. Bro.
Speaker 1: That's the difference. That's how people are gonna excel and
Speaker 1: go to the next level. Who's around you, who's helping
Speaker 1: you navigate through this? Fuck the bullshit? Bro?
Speaker 2: Would you say that because you're kind of an og? Now? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like you and yb out there
Speaker 2: are like the ogs of the of the SGUV. Yeah
Speaker 2: do you feel that?
Speaker 1: I mean I do because of how I move around
Speaker 1: my city.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: It's it's not about age, bro, because I know forty
Speaker 1: five year olds that look twenty five, you know, yeah sure,
Speaker 1: And I know twenty five that look forty five for sure. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not about it's about how you move and what
Speaker 1: have you been putting out? Dog, I got multiple businesses
Speaker 1: in the city. I've employed kids that were going to college.
Speaker 1: I've done it all there though, So when you think
Speaker 1: of high tone, you think about OG because of what
Speaker 1: I've done in the city, right, you know, And that's
Speaker 1: what I consider an OG to me. Like, for sure,
Speaker 1: someone that's just paved the way.
Speaker 2: Bro, I'm thirty seven, and there are people who I'm
Speaker 2: their OG, but they're like ten years older.
Speaker 1: Because they're learning something from you. You brought something else, sure,
Speaker 1: you know, So whoever's listening dog OG and age dog,
Speaker 1: It's about the wisdom you have, who you surrounded yourself with,
Speaker 1: and what accolades you have that that keep your name
Speaker 1: and last name strong. Dog. It ain't how dope you
Speaker 1: wrap it ain't, bro, it's what does that last name hold?
Speaker 1: Right when you're gone, Bro, what are they gonna say
Speaker 1: about you?
Speaker 2: Right? You know? Yo, you were one of the earlier artists.
Speaker 2: I remember being pretty vulnerable on records when it came
Speaker 2: to like your addiction with pills. Yeah, depression, depression and
Speaker 2: mental health and all that.
Speaker 1: No one was doing that.
Speaker 2: Nobody was doing that. And like fast forward to twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four and like the issues that you were dealing
Speaker 2: with have become obviously a fucking nationwide worldwide pandemic, right Like,
Speaker 2: this is like kind of like the fuck covid, Like
Speaker 2: that's the real pandemic of our time is fucking opiates,
Speaker 2: you know, And so I wonder just for you, like
Speaker 2: is it is it? I mean, obviously you stopped doing
Speaker 2: drugs at the right time because fetanohl. Oh yeah, fetanyl
Speaker 2: hadn't hit yet.
Speaker 1: I probably Yeah. The amount of drugs, bro, that I've
Speaker 1: done in my life. Bro, Like if the fentanyl you know,
Speaker 1: epidemic was was then, Bro, it would be a fifty
Speaker 1: Like it's.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, It's like we're playing roulette with your life.
Speaker 1: Every time and even still to this day, bro, Like
Speaker 1: that ain't nobody perfect. Dog, there's times where you know,
Speaker 1: you fall back into some of the things you said
Speaker 1: you were never gonna do, dog in just it's just
Speaker 1: Russian roulette right now, Dog, for sure.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say for you though, like do you
Speaker 2: feel like your you know, like you said you were
Speaker 2: kind of one of the first artists that I remember
Speaker 2: kind of talking about that outwardly. Is any of the
Speaker 2: new music kind of touched on any of that? And
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've dealt with people close to you maybe
Speaker 2: losing their life or being wrapped up in what's going
Speaker 2: on right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I have a sister that's you know,
Speaker 1: in and out of addiction, you know, rehabs, things like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had family members, I've had homies at.
Speaker 2: Od like I feel like everyone has now.
Speaker 1: It's it's very more common than it was back in
Speaker 1: the day. Dog. You know, it just is. Bro. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that why that is, but you know
Speaker 1: it's just. I mean, I touch on it all the time, Bro,
Speaker 1: I even touch on it when I say, man, I'm
Speaker 1: doing this and I know I'm not supposed to. Dog Like.
Speaker 1: That's how real and honest I am with my music,
Speaker 1: Like Homie like, I still fuck up right, I still
Speaker 1: do things that I shouldn't be doing, dog Like. I
Speaker 1: still fall back into my old ways, Bro, But that's life.
Speaker 2: Dog for sure.
Speaker 1: That was perfect. I ain't nobody perfect, dog, And I
Speaker 1: hate to, like, you know, say, hey, Bro, I did
Speaker 1: that in twenty sixteen and I stopped and I never
Speaker 1: did it again. Bro, that's just not gonna be it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's something in me, Bro, like you know pop soules
Speaker 1: an alcoholic bro Like, it's sometimes just in you, bro,
Speaker 1: And thank god, I'm not the type of person that
Speaker 1: gets easily addicted to things. And I know that when
Speaker 1: something gets a hold of me. Dog, it could be
Speaker 1: as simple as this, And I do this every month, Dog,
Speaker 1: something that I feel that is taking control of me.
Speaker 1: I nip it in the butt and say, you're not
Speaker 1: doing that for a whole month. So it could be
Speaker 1: a fun it could be poorn. Dog, I can be
Speaker 1: like a dog.
Speaker 2: Like I watch a lot of porn.
Speaker 1: I'm watching too much, like what something's not right too much?
Speaker 2: And people don't, I mean, people don't admit that's a
Speaker 2: thing that can you. I mean it can affect your
Speaker 2: relationship one percent. So then I'll sit here and go, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm doing this a little too much. Dog, tone you're not, don't.
Speaker 2: You're not even allowed to do that for thirty days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when you start like building your life around
Speaker 1: that way, like it could be a coffee don't control
Speaker 1: me either, dog, I'm not going to have an energy
Speaker 1: drink for five days.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: Like you challenge your mind every week, Dog with something
Speaker 1: that you think is controlling you. And if you can
Speaker 1: like master that, your life will be a lot easier. Bro,
Speaker 1: because there's nothing that's going to control you, not real
Speaker 1: you're like training your own problems.
Speaker 2: Like and it's almost also even if you feel like
Speaker 2: you're going down a certain path like mentally like figure
Speaker 2: out like try to be self aware enough to know.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the start of everything. Dog, if you actually
Speaker 1: sit here and go, I have a problem, that's the
Speaker 1: number one start to everything. It's being honest with yourself.
Speaker 2: Holding yourself accountable. There you go, yeah, because you go.
Speaker 2: As you know, most people who are bad with drugs,
Speaker 2: family members get frustrated because you're telling them, But it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they are not acknowledging it themselves, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like you're just talking to a
Speaker 2: fucking brick wall. At that point, you.
Speaker 1: Know they will never get help, bro unless they want it.
Speaker 2: How was getting married and how is being married change
Speaker 2: your life?
Speaker 1: I mean I've been with her what eighteen nineteen years?
Speaker 1: We were together?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you put a ring on that thing,
Speaker 2: it changes things because they what you guys get Because look, man,
Speaker 2: I've been in relationships, a specific relationship where we were
Speaker 2: married for a very long time and then motherfuckers will
Speaker 2: fight and then well once you fight, you could leave,
Speaker 2: you know, go fuck off. Now once you're married, it's like,
Speaker 2: well we can't go nowhere.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and you're not really gonna go and say,
Speaker 1: you know, but it I think it just holds your
Speaker 1: you know, you'd be way more responsible, bro, like you
Speaker 1: think about Hey, bro, this isn't just my chick, this
Speaker 1: ain't my lady. It's my wife.
Speaker 2: Dog.
Speaker 1: So with that word husband and wife come with a
Speaker 1: lot more responsibility. Doesn't mean it's going to be pretty
Speaker 1: and easy, dogs, you know.
Speaker 2: Never it is. But everyone you know, marriage is one
Speaker 2: of the hardest things in the world.
Speaker 1: I think it. You're absolutely right, dog.
Speaker 2: And people don't understand it. And and the thing is
Speaker 2: is it's supposed to be hard. Hey, you're making it
Speaker 2: as a musician. Was hard. Anything that's worth it, it's hard.
Speaker 2: It's not supposed to be easy, dog Like at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, like it is what it is like.
Speaker 1: But I trip out on that, like you just said, Like,
Speaker 1: the fools that I look up to and the fools
Speaker 1: that I get a lot of my wisdom from are
Speaker 1: homies that are married, dog, that have been with their
Speaker 1: ladies fifteen years man, Right, why do you look up
Speaker 1: to older people that because they know what you're about
Speaker 1: to enter and what you're gonna go through. They've already
Speaker 1: been there and did that. Sure, And it's most of
Speaker 1: the time it's a married couple because they've learned so
Speaker 1: much during that time. Bro. And it took a lot
Speaker 1: of fight to stay together. Bro Right, because this world nowadays, Dog,
Speaker 1: I see a girl on Instagram, she's at dinner on
Speaker 1: a trip. Three days later, you know that the pictures
Speaker 1: are deleted. She's on a new trip. Oh, Like you're
Speaker 1: talking recycling all day long. This is just the new generation. Bro.
Speaker 2: Oh, Yeah, it'd be tough, dude. If I wasn't with
Speaker 2: my wife right now, I don't even know the amount
Speaker 2: of like just fuck shit I would be participating in.
Speaker 2: It would be it would be maybe terrible, honestly, you know,
Speaker 2: And like that kind of shit feels like it's like
Speaker 2: low hanging fruit shit, Like it's cool, but it's like
Speaker 2: I can only image imagine what the shallow brained women
Speaker 2: that our generation is producing. And I do mean that
Speaker 2: with all due respect. Not all women are shallow brained,
Speaker 2: but not all A lot a lot that the algorithm
Speaker 2: feeds you. Yeah, you're like, there's no way every bitch
Speaker 2: has a BBL.
Speaker 1: But but that's what in your clone.
Speaker 2: You're like, Jesus damn, why do these girls get money
Speaker 2: to go on all these tricks? Oh, they're all just glorified.
Speaker 1: Prostitutes, bro, glorified. Bro.
Speaker 2: It's like you're you're a prostitute. You just don't want
Speaker 2: to say it, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's it's not in your bio yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like you're a prostitute and it's okay, But
Speaker 2: that's what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Bro. It's just it's the music. Bro, It's the way
Speaker 1: the world is working right now. It's unbelievable. Dog, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Bro. It's it starts from the music the movies,
Speaker 1: like and you can't get away from a dog because
Speaker 1: we knew what we were watching as kids. But you
Speaker 1: realize why things are going the way they are.
Speaker 2: You know what, when we were younger, it was a
Speaker 2: lot easier to turn it off, right, Bro. You didn't
Speaker 2: have a cell phone like this, That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Now it's you can't turn it off. Like I just
Speaker 2: saw you posted that you turned your phone off.
Speaker 1: Yesterday For the first time in my whole life, like
Speaker 1: that for real?
Speaker 2: How was that? It was for twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: I literally text Stills on the way I say, hey, homie,
Speaker 1: have you ever tried that? He's like nah, But I
Speaker 1: was disgusted with my phone last night too. I'm like, Bro.
Speaker 1: For some reason, when I opened up the Gramm in
Speaker 1: the morning, and I don't know if it was because
Speaker 1: I had drank the night before or I was a
Speaker 1: little hung it was disgusting to me, doog And it
Speaker 1: was like the weirdest thing that every five minutes in
Speaker 1: the movie, I would go and look at nothing. But
Speaker 1: I'm so trained to just go like.
Speaker 2: This tells me I do that shit all the time.
Speaker 1: And it was like, bro, shut it off. I put
Speaker 1: it under the pillow, Bro, And I'd like, and if.
Speaker 2: You really just just look at your screen time every
Speaker 2: day like that shit will really make you be like fuck,
Speaker 2: Like I spend more time looking at this than I
Speaker 2: do anything else in my life. Life.
Speaker 1: That's sad, bro, But it's it's just how could you
Speaker 1: get away from it? Exactly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's crazy, but but it is an addiction.
Speaker 2: The algorithm, the swiping, Like what on board? I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna open Instagram because that's what I do like this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: or Twitter, whatever.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, it's called Twitter. Yeah, you can barely
Speaker 1: go on that anymore.
Speaker 2: Twitter's a wild place. I had to unfollow all the
Speaker 2: porn stars because my Twitter, I could never open it
Speaker 2: in front of my.
Speaker 1: No, it's your suggested feet is straight porn.
Speaker 2: What mine isn't anymore?
Speaker 1: Mine still is.
Speaker 2: But dude, dude, I used to get to the point
Speaker 2: where I would open my Twitter like I'd opened up
Speaker 2: my laptop and I open Twitter, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't open Twitter in front of my
Speaker 2: wife because she's gonna judge me, because it's just bitch
Speaker 2: is getting fucked all over my feet.
Speaker 1: Bro, this happened to me last night. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: trip the fuck out. So we got lit. She left
Speaker 1: her phone in the car and went upstairs and fell asleep, right,
Speaker 1: and we had an early day movies or started drinking whatever.
Speaker 1: We're home early eight o'clock. She had woken up about
Speaker 1: midnight and she was fumbling around for her phone. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm knocked the fuck out. She gets my phone to
Speaker 1: call her phone, opens it up, and I had just
Speaker 1: so happened to have Twitter on when she had knocked out,
Speaker 1: so it's a wide open dog. So she was like, babe,
Speaker 1: wake up, I need to find my phone whatever. And
Speaker 1: then she found her phone, and right when she settled
Speaker 1: back down, she goes, and why do you have all
Speaker 1: kind of porn on Twitter? I knew you were a creep.
Speaker 2: Bro. I remember one time I was out of town.
Speaker 2: I was in Miami, and you know, my wife is
Speaker 2: she doesn't go through my phone, and but but she
Speaker 2: she went on my I don't know, she was tripping
Speaker 2: at the time. It was one of them time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so from wherever we were, she went on
Speaker 2: my Twitter and looked at who I was following. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was my Twitter, and she saw I was following
Speaker 2: like hun of porn stars and she was like, yoh,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is wrong with you? Like who are you?
Speaker 2: And I was like, yo, you gotta understand, like I've
Speaker 2: probably been following most of those the cows for like
Speaker 2: ten years, and like you know, when you get a Twitter,
Speaker 2: you just follow all the porn bitches like trying to
Speaker 2: go through a cleanse all of my.
Speaker 1: pH and got it. I gotta do that, bro.
Speaker 2: No Twitter is fucking wild.
Speaker 1: Bro, I gotta do that, bro, because and then the.
Speaker 2: Other thing is like getting in the habit of like
Speaker 2: when you're on Instagram, Like, dude, Instagram starting to feed
Speaker 2: you wild shit even if you're not following them, Like dude,
Speaker 2: you've seen like they're pushing porn pages on you on
Speaker 2: ig like bitches with their camelton. I'm like, yes, I'm
Speaker 2: blocking that.
Speaker 1: Now there's nipples now, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, and I'm like, yo, I don't even follow those.
Speaker 2: Like if you look at my explore, it used to
Speaker 2: be just women women right now it's it's it's it's
Speaker 2: literally cars, podcasts, uh, wrestling, no bitches, Like there's no bitches,
Speaker 2: but it used to be.
Speaker 1: So you can actually like like cleanse your algorithm.
Speaker 2: I've done it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that means deleting, unfollowing, unfollowing the things you
Speaker 1: really want to see.
Speaker 2: You just got to stop following these bitches. Dog, It's tough,
Speaker 2: but like, you got to stop following these bitches, man.
Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, you don't want
Speaker 2: to double tap. You want to double tap, but you can't, man.
Speaker 1: I'm legendary for double tap.
Speaker 2: I bet, but you can't because because then this is
Speaker 2: what the algorithm feature. Bro, I'm telling you my for
Speaker 2: you was only whores for like a decade and now
Speaker 2: it's just you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Bro, You're on a good path right now, bro, dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's like so it's like now it's like
Speaker 2: my Twitter's like that too. So my Twitter's like new
Speaker 2: ship sports news, you know, fucking the far left and
Speaker 2: the far right at this point, Like fuck, when I'm
Speaker 2: on Twitter, I'm like, Jesus, I just feel like I'm while, yes,
Speaker 2: but but I don't see porn really on Twitter anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a
Speaker 1: little thing is a cleansing you. I'll start on my Twitter,
Speaker 1: Yeah you got.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, that's the place to start. Twitter's fucked
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't start.
Speaker 2: So for people who like, like, do you have a
Speaker 2: tattoo shop or do you tattoo at the like appointment only?
Speaker 2: Like what do you do?
Speaker 1: It's a it's appointment only, bro. We have our our
Speaker 1: shoe store and clothing store in the front, and then
Speaker 1: we have two private studios in the back. I've been
Speaker 1: with my boy King Lazy for damn near a decade now.
Speaker 1: We've been working together he has his own room. I
Speaker 1: have mine. He could watch what he wants. I could
Speaker 1: listen to what I want. Our clients are separate, what.
Speaker 2: Kind of like a consignment sneaker shop or kind of everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do all the like consignment, bisle trade. You know.
Speaker 1: It used to just be all TFC for about seven years.
Speaker 1: Dog was just my brand in there. After COVID, I
Speaker 1: went to online own made it a lot easier for
Speaker 1: me Dog you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I noticed there's a guy from Glendale named Armeene.
Speaker 2: He's an Armenian rapper and he has he had a
Speaker 2: store in the line, but he was like after COVID,
Speaker 2: he was like, we still have our stuff here, but
Speaker 2: like we want to start selling sneakers. We got to
Speaker 2: expand the business a little bit, you know, because there's
Speaker 2: only so much you could do with your fans facts,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And luckily bro I was able to create some that
Speaker 1: that didn't really like. Yeah, people know my brand from
Speaker 1: my music a lot of it. But then there's people
Speaker 1: that just know your brand, don't even like rap that
Speaker 1: have the pyramid tattern on it right because of what
Speaker 1: it stands for. Like, I was able to to create
Speaker 1: something that's bigger than rap, bigger than high tone, bigger
Speaker 1: than the SGV, bigger than It's a state of mind?
Speaker 2: Bro, what you working with Tori? What was that like
Speaker 2: and that what are your I mean, I still don't
Speaker 2: think we know exactly what happened that night with him,
Speaker 2: But you know, I had a good relationship with Tory
Speaker 2: still do. I talked to him while he was in jail.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe months ago. Uh. I know him
Speaker 2: to be a good guy. Yeah, but you were working
Speaker 2: with him pretty I mean, I mean he's he's in
Speaker 2: for people wh don't know. He's a fucking quadruple G.
Speaker 2: But that was around the time it started to kind
Speaker 2: of turn for him commercially. Yeah, he did that record
Speaker 2: on that on that Ygy.
Speaker 1: Album, And I mean we caught him just at the
Speaker 1: perfect time, bro. You know, like even when we were
Speaker 1: going to radio because that I went to radio with
Speaker 1: that record, bro, and it wasn't like having a crazy
Speaker 1: big like people weren't like, oh we're playing this record
Speaker 1: because you got to like fairly nude. Bro. It was
Speaker 1: like it was almost like two new artists on the
Speaker 1: same record, right, you.
Speaker 2: Know, are you on the road with Brian Sampson at all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I went in and out of fucking dog his damn bro.
Speaker 2: What was it like being on the road with that
Speaker 2: fat Filipino. Fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's there was, there was some you know,
Speaker 1: there was some good times.
Speaker 2: Brian manages my radio show.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking I have a bad taste when it
Speaker 1: comes to radio. Dog. It's I've lost a ship ton
Speaker 1: of money dependent money dog life.
Speaker 2: You're talking radio because you think.
Speaker 1: Hundred thousand, you know, six figure cash, bro, that I've
Speaker 1: with my own money.
Speaker 2: About radio, right, is a couple of things. One, if
Speaker 2: you're independent, don't worry about it, don't even try it.
Speaker 2: It's expensive. Two, it is the final step of your career. No,
Speaker 2: it's a final step of like let's say you got
Speaker 2: a record and it starts to go crazy on TikTok
Speaker 2: and final stream. The last thing you worry about in
Speaker 2: that equation is radio. It's the very last thing. It
Speaker 2: is a very competitive business. You are competing in every
Speaker 2: whatever market station it is. You're competing for a spot
Speaker 2: on that playlist with whoever is hot at the time,
Speaker 2: and it's it's just it is. It is an important
Speaker 2: step in the process. If you want to be a superstar,
Speaker 2: if you want a number one on Billboard, you gotta
Speaker 2: have radio play. But it is not necessary. And if
Speaker 2: you're an independent artist, if someone tries to crack you
Speaker 2: upside the head for thirty grand to work a record
Speaker 2: of radio, take that thirty thousand dollars and shoot fucking
Speaker 2: twenty music video.
Speaker 1: Yes, hey, man, bro do literally anything.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: I've ran. I mean, I'm glad dog that I've had
Speaker 1: the opportunity to like understand it, because most don't even
Speaker 1: understand broke. A regular consumer listener, they have no idea
Speaker 1: what radio is. Most artists, bro don't really know how
Speaker 1: radio works.
Speaker 2: And most artists think that like if someone plays you
Speaker 2: one time on like a Sunday night at like PM,
Speaker 2: it's not going to change their career. And it's like, dude,
Speaker 2: like that's not how the shit works anymore. Now, maybe
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen years ago, ten years ago, radio had
Speaker 2: a lot more I would say fifteen years ago, radio
Speaker 2: had a lot more ability to break an artist. But
Speaker 2: now we're the last step in that development. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I like how you said that last step though, because
Speaker 1: I think people need to hear that artists need to
Speaker 1: hear that like the last step to worry about because fans, bro,
Speaker 1: like the first thing they do is go, man, bro, like,
Speaker 1: your music is so much better than what's on the red.
Speaker 1: Like you don't realize, dog, it's not what you think
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 2: And you'll know if it's time to go to the
Speaker 2: radio it because if your shit is that hot organically,
Speaker 2: you'll probably start getting some love locally, actually if it.
Speaker 2: And and that's because you're going to force that. And
Speaker 2: then and then you're like, okay, well maybe we need
Speaker 2: to explore this. But even then your ROI as an
Speaker 2: independent artist on a radio promotional run, it's just not there, dude.
Speaker 2: Look at the end of the day, a million streams
Speaker 2: is thirty eight hundred dollars and some change, man. And
Speaker 2: and you know, if you're not using your music as
Speaker 2: the vessel to monetize everything else outside of what is
Speaker 2: uploaded to disjoc kid or em buyer whatever, then you're fucked.
Speaker 2: Because it can't just be the or unless you're a
Speaker 2: high catalog artist, you know, but it can't just be
Speaker 2: I put an album out and then I'm hoping that
Speaker 2: lightning strikes and it goes crazy.
Speaker 1: No. I mean, if there's any advice BRO to people
Speaker 1: out there that are, you know, just starting out music
Speaker 1: even been in the game for a few years, still
Speaker 1: trying to learn the business. Like you're building a brand, Bro.
Speaker 1: If you can't build.
Speaker 2: It and then you can monetize the brand, If.
Speaker 1: You can build a brand and businesses around your name,
Speaker 1: then it Then the music is the It's the driving
Speaker 1: vessel because when you're hot and when you're.
Speaker 2: Doing you know, it's like it's the vehicle.
Speaker 1: But you gotta your hands, gotta be indifferent.
Speaker 2: You gotta start businesses, you gotta go on do shows,
Speaker 2: you gotta there's just it's got to be the vessel
Speaker 2: to everything else exactly. And like you know, you might
Speaker 2: win the lottery and catch a real hit and then
Speaker 2: it's that's.
Speaker 1: Good too, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: So your EP with LB and Steals is out, and
Speaker 2: then you have you say, the new record with Rody
Speaker 2: Racks coming out two or three weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to we're just trying to shoot the
Speaker 1: video for that first, because I've always I've done that,
Speaker 1: bro multiple times. Or you drop the record, Oh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do the video and then the video don't happen
Speaker 1: for three four months and now it's over.
Speaker 2: Then it's over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta have the assets in your hand nowadays, dog,
Speaker 1: because the attention span is so so just quick.
Speaker 2: And then the album's coming soon after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just doing once you hear the first single
Speaker 1: to whatever project, the project will drop in four weeks
Speaker 1: after that.
Speaker 2: And then the podcast is on.
Speaker 1: Thursdays, No Lames podcast, g Money Rocky.
Speaker 2: That g Money guy's hilarious.
Speaker 1: He's a food that he's got a stand up coming up.
Speaker 1: He's gonna open up for George Perez. We're also locking
Speaker 1: in the date for another sold out Laugh Factory show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did that as a podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did three back to three shows, sold out.
Speaker 1: Kind of did something that no one's done. Bro Cup
Speaker 1: comedy podcast and music, and I always performed the set off.
Speaker 2: I think it's cool too, because you guys really have
Speaker 2: your You guys really have your fucking area on lock bro,
Speaker 2: like your community supports the fuck out of y'all for real.
Speaker 1: Over there, I'm actually opening up a new business with
Speaker 1: my wife on the same street of Lap Factory in
Speaker 1: downtown Covina called the South Caro Lounge and it's it's
Speaker 1: a med spall. We're gonna be doing medical weight loss,
Speaker 1: We're gonna be doing ivy drips, We're gonna be doing
Speaker 1: body contouring, lashing. I mean, we're doing it all there.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: I've been working on it for the last six months.
Speaker 1: Construction got done this week and we're gonna start cosmetic
Speaker 1: next week and we should be open like second week
Speaker 1: of September.
Speaker 2: Bro, congrats, dude, that's what you gotta do. Hey, By
Speaker 2: the way, that street was kind of lit. I went
Speaker 2: there to see concrete the night after I think we
Speaker 2: did the pod of Oh yeah, but yeah. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize like it was such a big biker area.
Speaker 1: They put a lot of money into it.
Speaker 2: No, because like you go to the bars and there's
Speaker 2: like signs that say, you know, bikers.
Speaker 1: Oh no colors, and I was like, oh ship.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was so lit over here with
Speaker 2: the biker culture.
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty lital Covena is lit because it's the
Speaker 1: only city in the SGV that really has no solidified hood,
Speaker 1: So Covina has no hood. That's where people West Covina
Speaker 1: does went the Bassett because everyone goes and then the
Speaker 1: problems because there's no one that's like a it's kind
Speaker 1: of open.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: So growing up in that area, I've always navigated through
Speaker 1: those situations, dog, you know, like I tattooing, No people
Speaker 1: from every hood in the SGV, like Covina. It's just
Speaker 1: been my my city, dog, and I've been able to
Speaker 1: just navigate and you know, play both sides.
Speaker 2: And you're from Covina as like that's your city, that's
Speaker 2: Kobina born and raised. That's amazing, man. Well look, new
Speaker 2: music on the.
Speaker 1: Way, Yeah, new music on the way. If you need
Speaker 1: a tattoo, tattoo, you know, I might need to get
Speaker 1: tatted from you.
Speaker 2: Man. All my tattoos are under my shirt. I need
Speaker 2: to get my back finished the real way.
Speaker 1: That's to hurt though. Yeah, but yeah, tats music, you know,
Speaker 1: new businesses. We're just trying to elevate, bro, That's all
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do, man, Stay healthy, elevate, live a
Speaker 1: good life, pay some bills, have a little fun, bro,
Speaker 1: And that's well you're doing a good job buddy. Thank you, Bro.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you pulling up man. I look forward to
Speaker 2: the new music and I look forward to the five
Speaker 2: albums coming.
Speaker 1: Who ones already, so we got four four.
Speaker 2: Four more left.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: It is my guy, high Toned boule Cab podcast boom