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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: If three dead bodies won't keep you in jail, what will? Actually, though,

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Speaker 2: here's the problem. We've only got one torso, two bodies

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Speaker 2: still missing. And as to the third body of May,

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Speaker 2: we only have a torso. Where's the rest of her?

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Speaker 2: I know that sounds harsh, but that's not my doing.

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Speaker 2: This is the doing of Sam Highschool, the fourth, or

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Speaker 2: is he is called in Hollywood Junior. His father is

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Speaker 2: the star, the head of an once the head of

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Speaker 2: an incredible, incredible talent agency with world wide reach. They're millionaires.

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Speaker 2: Of course, this is the Sun, the freeloading son. I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about Sam Haskell, But what I'm really talking about

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Speaker 2: is his wife May Haskell, aged thirty seven, Yan Shung

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Speaker 2: Wang and Ghost Shun Lee. His in laws also missing,

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Speaker 2: and who has his children? The wife's torsos in a dumpster.

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Speaker 2: He's charged with murder, very possibly walking out of jail

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Speaker 2: on bond. So who has the children? I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 2: here at Crime Stories and on series XM one eleven.

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Speaker 2: As we speak, Sam Haskell, the fourth, age thirty five,

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Speaker 2: can't really tell if he was holding down a job

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Speaker 2: or not, but living in an incredible spread. You know what,

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Speaker 2: let me introduce to you one of our all star panel,

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Speaker 2: Miguel Melndez, Senior writer Entertainment Tonight. You can find Miguel

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Speaker 2: at ET online. Miguel, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen this house? I mean, it's got the

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Speaker 2: enclosed backyard, the pool, the whole shebang were several million

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Speaker 2: dollars and an upscale enclave. There's no way Haskell the

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Speaker 2: fourth Junior could have afforded that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, I mean this house was immaculately. He

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Speaker 3: lived in the affluent neighborhood of in Tarzana, aflow neighborhood

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Speaker 3: in a suburb of Los Angeles, and you're right. Reports

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Speaker 3: held down a job where.

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Speaker 4: He could afford that.

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Speaker 5: So you're right.

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Speaker 3: This is something that was supplied to him, probably by

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Speaker 3: his father, and just does make you wonder if he

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Speaker 2: You mean, waiting for his father to die so he

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Speaker 2: could get all his money.

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Speaker 3: I won't say that, but you know you said it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said it. Okay, guys, other than going off

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Speaker 2: on a rant about this I living in a multimillion

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Speaker 2: three murders. And yes, I know there is no evidence

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Speaker 2: of two of the murders because we don't have the

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Speaker 2: bodies yet. But should I give him a gold star

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Speaker 2: and a plus for actually somehow hiding the bodies. We

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Speaker 2: know that one body, the body of his wife who

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Speaker 2: was afraid of him, may has been dismembered. So I'm

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Speaker 2: assuming that's what he did to his in laws that

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Speaker 2: lived with him. But let me, let me get us

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Speaker 2: back on track. Miguel Melandez joining us from ET Entertainment tonight. Miguel,

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Speaker 2: he is set to be back in court in just hours.

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Speaker 2: Is he going to ask for a bond again?

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Speaker 3: I think that's the likely The likelihood of that happening

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Speaker 3: is very real. I don't think that's that the judge

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Speaker 3: will grant him bond, given that he had a bond

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Speaker 3: hearing already on November thirteen that lasted less than five minutes,

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Speaker 3: and when he was arrested. Initially it was held on

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Speaker 3: two million dollars bail, and at the hearing on November thirteenth,

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Speaker 3: the judge said he will be held without bond. I

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Speaker 3: can't imagine that, when he's arraigned just hours from now,

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Speaker 5: I just don't see that happening.

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Speaker 2: You know. I agree with you, Miguel Melendez, but you

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Speaker 2: never know how loudly money can talk.

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Speaker 4: It is hollyweird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, especially there in Hollywood. Guys. First of all,

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Speaker 2: we're learning more. Take a listen to our cut twenty.

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Speaker 6: Sam Haskell is sitting in jail, accused of murdering and

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Speaker 6: dismembering his wife and her parents, Yet he claims to

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Speaker 2: To carnage in the movies.

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Speaker 6: According to Instagram messages, Haskell's former personal trainer shared with

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Speaker 6: TNZ the violence in horror movies is hard for Haskell

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Speaker 6: In one message shared, Haskell writ's about the movie Forever Purge,

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Speaker 6: Forever Purge was a little different fools really getting chopped

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, I think it could have gone

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Speaker 2: here and it's never going away. A guy charged with

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Speaker 2: slice and dice, slasher movies and speaking of the personal trainer.

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Speaker 2: Joining us right now is high school's ex personal trainer,

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Speaker 2: Troy Pia Dad, Troy, thank you for being with us. Troy.

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Speaker 2: Does he have your address and phone number.

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Speaker 7: As my phone number number? Address?

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Speaker 2: You know you can reverse that on just online and

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Speaker 2: find your address. You do know that, right?

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Speaker 7: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2: Surprise, because when this guy makes bond, if he makes

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Speaker 2: Anybody's like a drowning rat on a ship. He's going

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Speaker 2: about staying in a hotel a couple of days. Troy, Pa,

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Speaker 2: dad is Sam Haskell, aka Junior's ex personal trainer. Okay, Troy,

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Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for being with us. Second

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Speaker 2: of all, tell me about the text where he says

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we used to, you know, since his dad was

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Speaker 7: We actually did a mock move at his house one time,

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Speaker 7: and he used to talk a lot about movies, and

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Speaker 7: he said, you know, the Crabber Prairie was a little

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Speaker 7: I thought it was a little ironic.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you were hearing Sam Haskell, the Force ex personal trainer.

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Speaker 2: Why may I ask, are you the ex personal trainer?

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Speaker 2: Not just because of the murders, but why did he

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Speaker 7: I used to trade him at a place called Bally

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Speaker 7: Total Fitness and Ntino, and they actually went out of business,

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Speaker 2: Troy, I've got a lot of questions about Sam Haskell

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Speaker 2: at the time, you trained Haskell. Was he married to May?

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Speaker 2: He was, unbeknownst to me, unbeknownst to you.

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Speaker 7: What do you mean he never really talked about his

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Speaker 2: Wow, because I've heard that when you, Troy Pia Dad

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Speaker 7: H He had mentioned maybe once in a while, but

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Speaker 7: And he mostly stalked to You know, we did talk

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Speaker 7: a lot about intimate things, but mostly about himself and

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, Troy, Troy, are you married? No?

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Speaker 2: I'm not okay if and when you're in the market,

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Speaker 2: what for somebody that doesn't talk about themselves all the time.

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Speaker 2: talk about himself. We I have twins. They just turned sixteen. Troy,

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Speaker 2: they're my world. We have to basically beg David to

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Speaker 2: He hardly ever talks about himself. Same here, nobody wants

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Speaker 2: to hear you drone on and on about yourself. So, Troy,

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Speaker 2: what would he say about himself? What about him? He's

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Speaker 2: not talking about his family, which I find very very unusual,

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Speaker 7: Basically, like I said, he would talk about making movies

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Speaker 2: I think who whoa did he talk about that? Troy?

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, you talk about that a lot.

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Speaker 2: You mean in the context of being in his father's shadow.

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Speaker 7: Yes, because he felt he never lived up to his expectations.

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Speaker 2: Oh boo hoo. He's got a silver spoon and fork

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Speaker 2: Then get the hay up off the sofa and go

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Speaker 2: get a job. That's just a suggestion. Hey, Troy, you

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Speaker 7: So what we did was he had cameras and we

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Speaker 7: and he was a good guy and it was like

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Speaker 2: Was this his idea?

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Speaker 9: Of course, Troy.

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Speaker 2: I mean I know that you're very well respected personal

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Speaker 2: and he's a good guy. Yeah, and that's a video.

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Speaker 2: That's a Mike movie. Okay. I'm not in the movie business.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: To Miguel Melndez joining us senior writer entertainment tonight and hey, Troy,

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Speaker 2: it ain't over yet. Don't move. We've all got questions

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Speaker 2: for you. Miguel Melndez. Did this guy I've gotten to

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Speaker 2: get to what's happening in court, but I'm so interested

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Speaker 2: in everything Troy Pia Dad is telling me about this guy,

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Speaker 2: Sam Haskell the Fourth aka Junior Migil Melndez. Did he

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Speaker 2: ever actually work? Did he make a movie? Did he

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Speaker 2: had some projects? Didn't he?

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Speaker 3: If he's to be believed, that is what happened. I mean,

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Speaker 3: these are things that that people have reported about based

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Speaker 2: Wait, Migil Melindez, so you can't find any credits? Nothing?

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Speaker 3: I mean according to him, he worked on editing certain

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Speaker 9: Again, these are things that, yes, you.

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Speaker 2: Actually are starting a sense with. According to him a

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Speaker 2: ka Sam Haskell the Fourth, the mass killer. I doesn't

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Speaker 3: Says because nothing else is out there to cooperate that

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Speaker 2: Joining me also is Troy slight high profile criminal defense

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Speaker 2: you your resume is so long, Doctor Jory, author of

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Speaker 2: Operation SS. You can find him at doctor Jory dot com.

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Speaker 2: His name is doctor Jory Crasin, but he lets me

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Speaker 2: call him doctor Jury. Mike McCormick, owner and lead investigator

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Speaker 2: mcm Investigations in LA and renowned medical examiner, longtime colleague.

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Speaker 2: I believe we're friends. If we're not, don't tell me.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Terrance County. That's Fort Worth,

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Speaker 2: never lack of business there. Lecturer University, Texas Austin and

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Speaker 2: Texas Christian University Medical School. The reason I introduced all

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Speaker 2: questions for Troy pa Dodd, who knows Haskell and was

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Speaker 7: Definitely at times during his training head you think people

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Speaker 2: Admonistery peers, right, he thought people were persecuting him.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, I got a question this, doctor, Jordy.

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Speaker 9: In workout, you know they have to get, of course,

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Speaker 7: Did you observe that in him?

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Speaker 7: What Sam would do he would antagonize other members of

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Speaker 9: He was with me.

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Speaker 7: He was antagonize of a client because he knew that

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by antagonize you mean trash talking them?

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Speaker 2: What how antagonize them?

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Speaker 7: It was a lot of Middle We're in Tanzana, so

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Speaker 2: In what world is that? Okay? I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: You've got minorities that are already having hard enough time

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 7: Many times I had to take them and let him

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm so proud of you. You know why

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Speaker 10: Jack like my resume says unhappy, bitter, resentful. Now I'm

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Speaker 10: The waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums for just like

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Speaker 9: Homie?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I nearly spit up just then twice in a row.

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Speaker 2: First of all, when Troy Pia Dodd was talking about

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Speaker 2: just hear Jackie like my resume says unhappy, bit or resentful.

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Speaker 2: This totally entitled brat is calling somebody a homie. Miguel

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Speaker 3: I mean, just hearing what he said, it just screams

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Speaker 2: It's driving me to curse and drink, neither of which

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Speaker 2: I try to avoid both studiously. But really, he burned

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just screams to to what people have

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Troy, I want you to hear something

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Speaker 2: Sam Haskell the Fourth himself. Troy, can you let's do

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Speaker 10: Is not about wellness for me, I'm trying to get retarded.

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Speaker 11: He's one hundred, Jill.

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Speaker 2: This is a grown man. I'm trying to get retarded.

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Speaker 10: Four tah conference real quick, you guys by mistake, and

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Speaker 10: Now, I'm consistently never going to stop drinking, Troy.

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Speaker 2: I've got so many more. But you know, when you

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Speaker 5: Fancy. This is a sad attempt at humor, at satire,

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Speaker 5: This is I think that the whole thing about the

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Speaker 2: Well, how about Troy Piadodd, his personal trainer? Is this him?

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Speaker 2: Is this the way he talked and act? I mean,

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Speaker 7: No, I think Troy was actually right on point. Him

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Speaker 2: Well, when you say a scared little boy, maybe he

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Speaker 2: So while Troy Slayton goes on and on about how

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Speaker 9: Wow, there's so much here, you know. One of the

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Speaker 9: Troy was good on documenting that. When he's in an

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're right, and you know what, Okay, go ahead

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Speaker 2: In other words, what you do someoney said the other

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Speaker 2: That's your personality. And I agree with that. What you

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Speaker 11: So it's like a big vampire move, like pull up

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Speaker 11: an escalade outside Paul Wesley's grobe. Kids are like, Dad,

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Speaker 11: she's gonna go show with Brad. She's gonna go show

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Speaker 2: What is he talking about? That's tragic streets. Let's take

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Speaker 2: Horse's Mouth.

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Speaker 11: Talking on AirPod. It's just talking randomly with like nobody

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Speaker 2: I guess that's pretending he's having people joining him, pretending

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Speaker 2: to talk on his EarPods and ordering too many drinks,

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Speaker 2: hear thirty seven. We're all listening to Sam Haskell in

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Speaker 11: Do you see me typing really fast, like looking really

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Speaker 2: I don't know what all of this means. It sounds

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Speaker 2: Miguel Melinda is joining us from entertainment tonight. That everything

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Speaker 2: numbers and letters. But everything we're saying, he managed to

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what any of this means

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Speaker 3: are looking at those videos and think that this is

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Speaker 3: what's going to.

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Speaker 9: Make their case.

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Speaker 3: What's going to make their case, according to prosecutors, is

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Speaker 3: the evidence that's already at hand, the CC footage of

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Speaker 3: him dumping what appeared to be the torso in the dumpster,

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Speaker 3: the day laborers who spoke to police and said that

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Speaker 3: they found body parts and a belly button in those

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Speaker 3: bags and that they were hired by Haskell to dispose

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Speaker 3: of these bags, and also cops entering the home the

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Speaker 3: next day on November seventh, and finding what they say

445
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Speaker 3: is blood evidence to suggest that he did the dismember

446
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Speaker 3: these bodies. And while those two bodies remain missing, Mayle's

447
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Speaker 3: parents bodies remain missing.

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Speaker 5: Coon believe that he.

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Speaker 3: Dismembered and disposed these bodies. So these are the things

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Speaker 3: that they're going to be looking at. This is the

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Speaker 3: evidence that they're going to rely on top of whatever

452
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Speaker 3: else is out there. I don't know that these videos

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Speaker 3: that he's posted on social media have any substance for

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Speaker 3: them to make this case.

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Speaker 2: Right now, correct me if I'm wrong, Migail. He's the

456
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Speaker 2: Twin Towers Correctional Facility referred to in the media as

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Speaker 2: the Twin Towers jail. Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: I believe you're correct.

459
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Speaker 2: It's the world's largest jail and also is the nation's

460
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Speaker 2: largest mental health facility. There's two towers, a medical services building,

461
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Speaker 2: and the La County Medical Center jail ward it's nearly

462
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Speaker 2: two million square feet. Question regarding visitation, Miguel, do we

463
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Speaker 2: know if he's had visitors?

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Speaker 5: I do not know that.

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Speaker 2: We know that they have a very very special way

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Speaker 2: of preparing food, a cook and chill process. They have

467
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Speaker 2: two coal meals and one hot meal every day. They

468
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Speaker 2: have tons of amenities and I'm just looking at many

469
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Speaker 2: of their menus. Nobody's cooking for me tonight, but we

470
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Speaker 2: are providing three hots and a cop for Haskell. I

471
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Speaker 2: want to go back to what we have found in

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Speaker 2: the home and how we're going to find the two

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Speaker 2: missing bodies, but very quickly. Miguil Melendez, what do you

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Speaker 2: expect to happen in court?

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Speaker 3: I expect that it will. He will be quickly arraigned.

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Speaker 3: My guess is he will not be let out on bond.

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Speaker 3: But like you said, this is this is Hollywood. This

478
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Speaker 3: is Hollywood. You know, stranger things have happened.

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Speaker 2: We'll wait and see so very quickly, Troy Slaton, I

480
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Speaker 2: want to get to how we're going to find the

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Speaker 2: two dead bodies or what's left of them. We know

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Speaker 2: he dismembered one victim according to police, but in regular

483
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Speaker 2: people taught Troy Slaighton, what is going to happen at

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Speaker 2: the arraignment?

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Speaker 5: Well, the arraignment is simply the fancy legal word for

486
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Speaker 5: hearing what the charges are against you and entering a plea.

487
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Speaker 5: So he's going to be advised of his constitutional rights

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Speaker 5: and he's going to enter a plea of not guilty,

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Speaker 5: and that will start the entire pre trial process, lean

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Speaker 5: up to a preliminary hearing and eventually a trial. If

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Speaker 5: there's not a plea bargain to be had. In the

492
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Speaker 5: case he's charged with three murders, the bond is not

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Speaker 5: likely to be allowed, so he'll be held without bond.

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Speaker 5: This is a special circumstances murder. And although what a

495
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Speaker 5: very smart criminal defense attorney will bring up the corpus

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Speaker 5: delecti rule, which means body of the crime in California

497
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Speaker 5: and in all other states, a rule that we brought

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Speaker 5: over from England from the sixteenth century. Is that you

499
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Speaker 5: can't have a confession alone. You can't have the thought

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Speaker 5: alone that somebody is missing. To prove up the crime,

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Speaker 5: You've got to prove that a crime occurred and that

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Speaker 5: there's actual evidence of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure this is an echo chamber because

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of our program I stated that in

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Speaker 2: our jurisprudence, common law, you can't prove the case just

506
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Speaker 2: on a confession. There has to be something to corroborate it.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about that. Joining me following up on

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Speaker 2: what Troy Slayton accurately said doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner,

509
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Speaker 2: Terrence County. If in fact the parents the in laws

510
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Speaker 2: have been murdered, and we know that may has been murdered,

511
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Speaker 2: it's been proven that is for torso through DNA, what

512
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Speaker 2: would you expect to find in the home? I understand

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Speaker 2: there is a great deal of blood evidence in the home.

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Speaker 2: So doctor Kendall crowns, how much blood would it take

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Speaker 2: to be found at the scene for me to be

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Speaker 2: convinced that the in laws, weighing sixty four and least

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Speaker 2: seventy one are in fact dead.

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Speaker 12: So usually in your body you have about three to

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Speaker 12: four liters of blood circulating at any time. So if

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Speaker 12: you lose.

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Speaker 2: Could you please speak in ounces and gallons?

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Speaker 12: A gallon a half is in your body, so if

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Speaker 12: you lose like half a gallon, it's pretty significant and

524
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Speaker 12: can you can go into shock and die. So if

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Speaker 12: they see a large amount of blood that would be

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Speaker 12: around a half a gallon, maybe do a gallon in

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Speaker 12: the carpet, on the floor or anywhere in the building.

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Speaker 12: So there would be significant for an individual to have

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Speaker 12: been bled out and die.

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Speaker 2: And doctor Kendall Crowns, isn't it true? Then, no matter

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Speaker 2: how much you clean and how smart you think, you are,

532
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Speaker 2: very rarely if a boy, if someone has been murdered

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Speaker 2: and dismembered in a home, are you going to get

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Speaker 2: rid of all the blood?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, that is very true. It's very difficult to clean

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Speaker 12: up the entire scene, especially when there's been a dismemberment.

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Speaker 12: People often think that they can make it go away,

538
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Speaker 12: but it won't feel still have blood everywhere or in

539
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Speaker 12: the nooks and crannies and the grouse, et cetera. It's

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Speaker 12: never completely cleaned.

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Speaker 1: Prime stories with me, it's a grace to you.

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Speaker 2: Troy Pia Dodd joining us. This is Sam Haskell for

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Speaker 2: AKA Junior's personal trainer, former personal trainer Troy. When you're

544
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Speaker 2: hearing us talk about how much bloods in a body,

545
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Speaker 2: what evidence is in the home. We can't find the

546
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Speaker 2: in laws, we find the wife, Mays Tors, so only

547
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Speaker 2: where are her legs and arms? Where's her head? Is

548
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Speaker 2: it difficult for you to reconcile the person you know

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Speaker 2: is charged with these crimes.

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Speaker 7: It's very difficult, Dancy, because not only does it you

551
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Speaker 7: know a doctor I said, take a certain type of

552
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Speaker 7: mentality to do that. I just didn't see it in himy.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I know he was disturbed. The level of

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Speaker 7: disturbed just doesn't farly. I mean, you know, I can

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Speaker 7: sit here and listen to say it, and I can

556
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Speaker 7: and demonize, but he's always going to be just you know,

557
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Speaker 7: like I said, he was one hundred and fifty pounds,

558
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Speaker 7: so can we. I mean, he wasn't a physical day.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't. That's why he came to me. That's why

560
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 7: he wanted to be bigger. But as a person, I

561
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Speaker 7: mean to me, I have no fear whatsoever Sam has

562
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Speaker 7: behind him. I just can't see him doing something like this.

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Speaker 2: But isn't that so often the way that we could

564
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Speaker 2: not envision it? Joining me? Mike McCormick, owner at lead

565
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Speaker 2: investigator mc in Investigations MCM Investigations in La former LAPD

566
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Speaker 2: over twenty five years. Mike McCormick, we're acting like there

567
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Speaker 2: are not two people's bodies missing. They're dead. They were

568
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Speaker 2: likely killed in the same home where May was killed.

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Speaker 2: Do I have to say Patrick Frazy? Patrick Frazy the

570
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Speaker 2: fiance from Hell who murdered his fiance Kelsey Beareth. Her

571
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Speaker 2: body has never been found, but her teeth and blood

572
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: were found in her condo. Jeffrey Dahmer. Yes, somebody parts

573
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Speaker 2: were found, but other victims body were never found. We

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Speaker 2: think they were dismembered, ground up and disposed of. The

575
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Speaker 2: only thing that saved that case in those counts anyway,

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Speaker 2: we're polaroids and other Inndisha, the victims had been in

577
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Speaker 2: the home. Those bodies have never been found, Mike McCormick.

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Speaker 2: So a case can be proven without a body? Number one,

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Speaker 2: how are we going to do it? And number two?

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Speaker 2: Where do you believe I can find the bodies?

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Speaker 4: Well, they're probably in another dumpster somewhere, or we're in

582
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Speaker 4: another dumpster.

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Speaker 2: That's smart because when you don't know a horse, look

584
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Speaker 2: at his track record. Go ahead, right, So.

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Speaker 4: They're going to determine by the blood evidence in the

586
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Speaker 4: home itself who the blood all that blood belongs to.

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Speaker 2: It's not that hard. Look, it's not that hard for

588
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Speaker 2: these texts that they are incredible to go into a massive,

589
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: the bloody crime scene and they can differentiate. If they

590
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Speaker 2: collect the evidence correctly at the lad they can tell

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Speaker 2: the different DNA's in the blood, they will be able

592
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Speaker 2: to find the in laws blood.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's correct. The bodies. Those bodies were probably

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Speaker 4: dumped at another location that they're not aware of. And uh,

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Speaker 4: the that I would assume that the police would have

596
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Speaker 4: gathered video from the from point A to point B

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Speaker 4: to see what you may have made and where else

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Speaker 4: he might have dumped the other two bodies.

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Speaker 2: So to you, Troy Piadodd, this is Haskell's former personal trainer.

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Speaker 2: I know that you said it's hard to reconcile what

601
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Speaker 2: you're hearing with the guy that you knew so so

602
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: very well as your client. Troy Piadodd, tell me what

603
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Speaker 2: did you learn he would do when he was not training?

604
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Speaker 2: I'm curious about. Did he go for long jogs? Did

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Speaker 2: he have a place out in the country where he visited.

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Speaker 2: Was there a particular lake where he fished? I mean,

607
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Speaker 2: this is what I'm getting at, Troy. People often hide

608
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Speaker 2: bodies in a place with which they're familiar, and I

609
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Speaker 2: use this example, although there's so many to pick from.

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Speaker 2: Scott Peterson, what did he do with Lacy and Connor's bodies?

611
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Speaker 2: He dumped them in his fishing hole where he always

612
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Speaker 2: fished San Francisco Bay and that's where they turned up.

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Speaker 2: So where did this guy hang out? What did he

614
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Speaker 2: do all the time? Troy piaded.

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Speaker 7: Well, basically, like you said, he had no employment. He

616
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Speaker 7: never worked, so he would basically drive around LA and

617
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Speaker 7: bring coffee and that's about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm very, very curious. Their whole relationship that he had

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Speaker 2: with May was unusual. Take a listen to their May's

620
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Speaker 2: friend and neighbor. This is al been and me, let's

621
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Speaker 2: go with friend too.

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Speaker 8: Just from observing them, I would say that they weren't close.

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Speaker 8: They didn't have anywhere near a close, you know, a

624
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Speaker 8: close relationship. I would definitely not call it that. Never

625
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Speaker 8: seen them be affectionate with each other. They never went

626
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Speaker 8: on date nights. She never mentioned them going on a date.

627
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Speaker 8: I never observed them going out anywhere together. They didn't

628
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Speaker 8: go on vacations together. So she would go on vacation

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Speaker 8: with her children and her parents, and he typically went

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Speaker 8: on solo trips I think, typically to Japan. According to Make,

631
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Speaker 8: some of them were work related for filming. They both,

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Speaker 8: for example, like to take walks in the neighborhood. I

633
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Speaker 8: never saw them take a walk together, going.

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Speaker 2: On separate vacations, never doing anything together. And Troy Piadodd

635
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Speaker 2: has confirmed that by telling me and all the time

636
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Speaker 2: he worked with Haskell, Haskell pretended May was just a

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Speaker 2: girl who was quote messing with What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Is that probative? Does it really prove anything? Troy Slayton,

639
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Speaker 2: high profile criminal defense attorney in LA. I don't know

640
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Speaker 2: that it does prove anything that I could introduce a trial,

641
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Speaker 2: but I want to know it anyway.

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Speaker 5: Now it seems circumstantial in it really has no probitive

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Speaker 5: value as to whether or not he is committed those

644
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Speaker 5: murders that he's alleged to have committed. In a court

645
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Speaker 5: of lag, Nancy the judge, as the gatekeeper, has to

646
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Speaker 5: decide what's relevant, and what's completely not relevant, like those

647
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 5: stupid TikTok videos and Instagram posts they made that really

648
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Speaker 5: have nothing to do with anything as to whether or

649
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Speaker 5: not he committed the murder of these three people.

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Speaker 2: We don't know that until we listen to them. And

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Speaker 2: that is how you win cases, by going through every

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Speaker 2: piece of evidence, sifting through it with a fine tooth

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Speaker 2: comb until you find something primitive. Of course, everything you

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Speaker 2: just said is correct. Troy Slayton, doctor Kendall, Crown's Chief

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Speaker 2: Medical Examiner, Tarrant County. How difficult is it to dismember

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Speaker 2: a body? Hey, when you go to the grocery store,

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Speaker 2: do you go buy a whole chicken?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: You get them cut up? Why? Because it's hard to

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Speaker 2: dismember even a chicken to cook. Just go buy the

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Speaker 2: bonus thighs for Pete's sake. How hard is it to

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Speaker 2: dismember a body?

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Speaker 12: It can be very difficult, especially if you don't go

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Speaker 12: for the joint spaces. Oh, much like dismembering a chicken.

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Speaker 12: If you go to the join spaces, it's easy to

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Speaker 12: cut the wings off, the legs off, et cetera. Shame

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Speaker 12: on a human being if you go for the joint spaces.

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Speaker 12: You can part them down into smaller parts, but if

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Speaker 12: you go for like the midshaft of the femur or

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Speaker 12: the leg bone, it's incredibly difficult. If you use a hack,

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Speaker 12: takes quite a while, so you have to kind of

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Speaker 12: know what you're doing or otherwise it's a very tedious,

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Speaker 12: lengthy process that a lot of people aren't successful at.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, have you ever handled an autopsy where

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Speaker 2: a body had been completely or partially dismembered?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, they have.

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Speaker 12: It comes up occasionally when individuals are dumpsters or et cetera. Yes,

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Speaker 12: we get those periodically dismembers, especially with the cartel.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would ask more, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: that I'm ready for it. Doctor Jory Crawsen, needless to say,

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Speaker 2: it takes a certain mindset to not only commit a

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Speaker 2: murder but then dismember the body. And I think that

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Speaker 2: may be why we haven't found mister Leeg of Shawn

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Speaker 2: Lee and his wife Yang Shong Wang. I think that

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Speaker 2: they were dismembered. Why do I say that, Because if

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Speaker 2: you don't know what somebody's going to do, you look

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Speaker 2: at what they've already done. And I know he dismembered.

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Speaker 2: May the mindset it must have taken to dismember three

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Speaker 2: murder victims, well, he's you know.

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Speaker 9: The mindset is crucial. But if you look at you know,

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Speaker 9: he plays roles very well, and if he assumes a

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Speaker 9: role of like you know, the movies he was watching

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Speaker 9: at the time where this took place, it could be accomplished.

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Speaker 9: The one key factor I noticed here is that it

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Speaker 9: personalities can kind of what I call bassol fall apart.

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Speaker 9: You know, calling some handyman and paying them money to

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Speaker 9: get rid of the body just seems like, you know,

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Speaker 9: that's where his organizational thought of this memory body and

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Speaker 9: all of this, I mean his his he wasn't futuristically

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Speaker 9: thinking considering those consequences, even with him taking the body

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Speaker 9: part and putting in it a dumpster himself. I mean,

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Speaker 9: if the other two bodies are that well, you know,

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Speaker 9: concealed somewhere, and even if they were dismembered, there seemed

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Speaker 9: to be some kind of organational thought there that kind

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Speaker 9: of was not present with the behavior we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: Well, doctor Jory Craulsin, I think you're completely correct. However,

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Speaker 2: lack of planning is not a defense.

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Speaker 9: Lucky for me it is, I know, but psychologically we

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Speaker 9: look for that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Troy, Pia Dodd. If you could speak and

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Speaker 2: Haskell could hear you, what would you say to him?

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Speaker 7: I'd ask him, you know what was what happened? I

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Speaker 7: want to know, you know what went on with him

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Speaker 7: and his life and Adnaly that was so horrible that

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Speaker 7: he had to commit to use a treasure attact.

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Speaker 2: Just think, Troy, every day you worked out with him,

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Speaker 2: you were that close to a killer and never suspected.

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice un false. Goodbye friend,