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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull.

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Speaker 2: That for me.

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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm.

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Speaker 2: For I've heard so many players say, well, I want

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Speaker 2: to be happy. You want to be happy for Dake

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Speaker 2: Edith Steak.

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Speaker 1: Is that woo whoo?

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Speaker 2: And them?

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Speaker 1: And Tie.

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Speaker 2: Dan Robstein.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations to your Philadelphia Eagles on their big Super Bowl victory.

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Speaker 3: I know you right Hill, fully plugged in, fully dialed

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Speaker 3: in in the headset with Nick Sirianni, very into the

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Speaker 3: football game.

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Speaker 1: Your Eagles want congratulations, sir, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I was mostly locked in on the score bug, the

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Speaker 2: new Fox score bug, which honestly tie.

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Speaker 3: I think they took a nice swing. I messaged you

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Speaker 3: about this, not about the.

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Speaker 2: Ghost cooking at the time, but I'm specifically about the

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Speaker 2: score bug. I admire the swing. I would tweak it

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Speaker 2: a little if I were in some sort of consultation

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Speaker 2: meeting with the Fox graphical people. I like bold, I

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Speaker 2: like clean, I like clear. I don't like the overly

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Speaker 2: convoluted like belt that ESPN has been putting forth. I

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Speaker 2: if they're going to go bottom center, and I like

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Speaker 2: I like that. I like your immediately looking at the

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Speaker 2: could be just shrunk down a little bit and I

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Speaker 2: numbers of the score transparent, like twenty five percent opacity, right,

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Speaker 2: I like five percent.

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Speaker 1: I love this conversation.

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Speaker 2: This is not going to be the show, by the way,

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Speaker 2: but please fifteen percent, Philly, please continue. No, I'm not

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Speaker 2: an Eagles fan. I'm not an Eagles hater. I like

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Speaker 2: a lot of the players on the Eagles. I love

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Speaker 2: Devonte Smith and have since college. And I think he's

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Speaker 2: the first Alabama player to score a receiving or rushing

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Speaker 2: or any kind of all purpose touchdown a non touchdown

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Speaker 2: pass right, yeah, and the touchdown which was like the

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Speaker 2: dagger touchdown. Right, this is not an NFL show, but

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Speaker 2: the dagger touchdown deep play action pass over the middle.

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Speaker 2: He did one of my favorite football things, which is

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Speaker 2: running counter to the theme of this episode, things that

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Speaker 2: I just inexplicably enjoy, and that is when a player,

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Speaker 2: in this case Devontae Smith is running at full speed

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Speaker 2: and looks like He's barely jogging, and the only reason

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Speaker 2: corner that's chasing him is putting forth one hundred and

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Speaker 2: forty percent overheating excite bike energy, trying to keep up.

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Speaker 1: Holding down that be button a little bit like the.

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Speaker 2: Shoulders are wiggling, the neck is bobbing back and forth

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Speaker 2: try and catch DeVante Smith. And Avante Smith is like

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Speaker 2: guess I'll catch this ball. It was a thing of

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Speaker 2: beauty to watch that specific touchdown. I apologize any Chiefs

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Speaker 2: Davante Smith is just a wonder of football, and I

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Speaker 2: enjoyed that a lot.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to the Birds.

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Speaker 3: People were shooting off fireworks here in my neck of

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Speaker 3: the woods, deep in late of the night, as you

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Speaker 3: might expect. It's probably going to continue through the weekend

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Speaker 3: until they get this parade over with. But football now

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Speaker 3: officially in the books. We had the college Championship game

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Speaker 3: that is now in the books as well. And I

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Speaker 3: guess with all that being said, we picked now this episode,

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Speaker 3: as I guess, along the lines of the score Bug conversation, sure,

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Speaker 3: Yes, agree, these are not so much things that I

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Speaker 3: record here was to try and be solutions oriented, not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not trying to solve all of the

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, so we're gonna spout off some things here over

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Speaker 3: Dan, I do not have my Frank Costanza. I got

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Speaker 3: a lot of problems with you people. Sound at the ready. Okay,

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Speaker 2: What do I have here? I mean we're dialing up

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Speaker 2: you were going into the computer banks here. Well, that's

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Speaker 2: kind of communist, it's unpleasant.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the state of officiating in college football. Dan,

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Speaker 3: how did you feel about officiating this past season? How

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Speaker 3: did I feel about officiating this past season. I'm never

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Speaker 2: The game, but it wasn't reviewed right. So I think

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Speaker 3: Well, officiating, I think is certainly it's always a hot

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Speaker 1: There are some.

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Speaker 3: Times where you just have to right where we're doing

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Speaker 1: Right, But this is the.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if some sort of larger governing body

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Speaker 2: Well what does that do specifically? Like I agree with like,

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Speaker 2: if you're going to spend if you want better players,

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Speaker 2: spend more money. If you want better coaches, spend more money.

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Speaker 2: If you want a better stadium, spend more money. If

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Speaker 2: you want better referees, spend more money. And obvious thing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: It's also retention that, like, if you have great referees

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would just like, I would like to see

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Speaker 2: Is there anything procedurally out the way college football games

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Speaker 3: College tripball has gotten very serious about putting all this

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Speaker 3: There's no reason that the technology, if available, shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: My issue is the manner in which they use the replay.

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Speaker 2: You want you want there to be like a ninety

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Speaker 2: I just think sixty seconds and forty five seconds. We've

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Speaker 3: In other sports, right where they lean a little bit

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Speaker 2: We don't need to do that. There's no reason that

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Speaker 3: This is one thing that bothers me because they don't

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Speaker 3: Just make that a condition of employment, a condition to

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Speaker 2: I would Okay, here's a couple of things I would

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Speaker 2: the spirit of an uncatchable ball. Therefore we're picking up

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Speaker 2: know that Tennessee or you know Louisiana, completed a thirty

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Speaker 2: I understand you need rules, But if it's determined in

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Speaker 2: it's smart to do something wrong. If it's smart to

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Speaker 2: Just give a touchdown in the end zone. I would call.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing I would do. Tie And this

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Speaker 2: Oregon games. Sure, what percentage of hail Mary's involves a

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Speaker 2: all We've just decided on the most important play, Like

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Speaker 2: or win this game. Anything goes. Defense, do whatever you

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Speaker 2: in a first down. No, just give a touchdown. Maybe

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Speaker 2: if they are a repeated on the second one on

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Speaker 2: You're rewarding penalties in that instance.

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Speaker 1: I hear you.

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Speaker 3: It seems like a very very stiff penalty to just

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Speaker 2: But I hear it. I hear you're rewarding a penalty.

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Speaker 2: my side observation? Please please big noon Saturday. Okay, having

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Speaker 1: That sound that I think you just heard. Did you

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Speaker 3: No, that's the sound of Joel klatt unsubscribing from this pot.

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Speaker 3: That's okay, that's okay, that's I mean, I know who

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Speaker 3: out of curiosity? We've had noon games for an eternity.

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Speaker 3: Fox didn't invent the noon game. No, we've had noon

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Speaker 3: games for an attorney. Big specific, big noon games run

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Speaker 3: counter If you're trying to sell me on a day

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Speaker 2: Out, what looks stupider than a day white out? Like

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Speaker 2: So I just think and then the number of times

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Speaker 2: the super late West Coast games, Yes, if you're a

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're either a TV sport or you're not

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Speaker 2: I agree, So I'd say it can happen. Everybody should

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the noon thing to me is problematic.

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Speaker 3: And if you're an Ohio State fan. There were a

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Speaker 1: I think I would be two. I think I would

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Speaker 3: I mean, playing in the shoe is an obvious advantage, yeah,

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Speaker 3: And that is anti fan and I don't like it.

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Speaker 3: And I don't care how Joel Klatt or whoever tries

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Speaker 2: Well, it's for them, it's for their bosses. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: that's not a reliable narrator. It's you get less time

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Speaker 2: You don't need my permission to do it or not

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Speaker 2: to do it. Whatever. But like every Saturday, you're kicking

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Speaker 2: off at noon local, Like, give them a three thirty game,

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00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: give them a four o'clock game, give them a seven

441
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: o'clock game. Let people enjoy their friends and fellow fans

442
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 2: in parking lots for an extended stretch of time, like,

443
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, that runs counter to the ideal

444
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: college football fan experience, making people wake up at four

445
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 2: am or whatever it's going to take to drive a

446
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: couple hours to Columbus or State College. I assume State

447
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 2: College is two hours from everywhere?

448
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: No it is.

449
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 3: Are you sure it's at least two hours from everywhere?

450
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 2: Oh, at least two hours, least two.

451
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: Hours maybe from everywhere other than like Harrisburg. Yeah, how

452
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 3: far is like Redding or something? Yeah, Harrisburg.

453
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

454
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is like people are driving to

455
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 2: these places. Not everybody lives in a college town.

456
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 3: Well, so this sort of pushes up against a point

457
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 3: a trend that we have seen in major college football

458
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 3: for a while now, and that is declining attendance. Of course,

459
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: and that's not to say this is the culprit for it.

460
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: There are obviously a number of different factors. But to

461
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 3: the point, Yeah, if going to the game for whatever reason,

462
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 3: the quality of the sport, the circumstances, Maybe it's late

463
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 3: in the year and the team's already lost games, Maybe

464
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: it's just tailgate. Maybe people just want to go to

465
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 3: I know plenty of people who just go to games

466
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 3: to tailgate. They don't actually go into the game. Great,

467
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 3: whatever floats your boat, right, I mean, who are we?

468
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: But if for some reason one of those aspects starts

469
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 3: to dwindle off, that could also affect attendance.

470
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I would. I don't know who is mandating regulating

471
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 2: there is. You can't you can't possibly pay more than

472
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: twenty dollars for parking, you cannot.

473
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: Like, what did they try to get us for up

474
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 3: at Michigan.

475
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think we got it. We got to steal

476
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: at like sixty bucks. We parked in dude's backyard. It

477
00:23:59,640 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: was great.

478
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: But the media, the media parking pass which I guess

479
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: they figure companies will pay for it was like one

480
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: hundred bucks, wasn't.

481
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 2: It eighty or one hundred bucks? Yeah, it was insane.

482
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: We parked like a five minute walk away from the

483
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: Big House and it was cheaper.

484
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

485
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: I just if you want to be a popular person,

486
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 2: just run on or make it your platform. Parking is

487
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 2: capped at twenty bucks. Sorry, Like you see this with

488
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: stadiums and I don't know if it was it's the

489
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: new Clippers Dome, the into It Dome or whatever where

490
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: it's just like, yep, hot dogs are three dollars. That's

491
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 2: just what it is. This is not a special, This

492
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: is not a one month thing. Like, that's just what

493
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: hot dogs are going to cost at our stadium. They're

494
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: three dollars and it's the easiest win. Ever. You still

495
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: make money on hot dogs at three bucks. You still

496
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: make money on parking at twenty bucks a pop with

497
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of people paying, you still make money.

498
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: The upkeeck for parking lots is not all that dramatic.

499
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 2: That's something that like, it's just it's an easy win tie,

500
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 2: it's an easy what's next for you?

501
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: Change overtime back? Please?

502
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

503
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: They have now gone through a couple different iterations of

504
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: the overtime process in college football. I call it a

505
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 3: processcause it feels like a process.

506
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, cheeze.

507
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: It bought a fair amount of ad spend this past

508
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: year by putting together Almation, a pre produced segment that

509
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 3: ESPN really anyway. I think it was all the networks.

510
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: They would put this out there to explain to people

511
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 3: as if it were their first overtime. Anytime overtime came about,

512
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 3: you would get this pre role that would tell you,

513
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 3: all right, here is how it works.

514
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: And they do that because it has changed a lot.

515
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 3: I would go back to the old method of just

516
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: starting everybody at the twenty five yard line and take

517
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 3: turns until somebody comes out on top. At first, I

518
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: think the novelty of having as we've called it here,

519
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: the penalty kicks, the alternating two point conversions. At first,

520
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: I thought that was a novel concept. And you know,

521
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 3: they did that for a variety of reasons. It's the

522
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: end of the game. People are tired. Okay, it's a

523
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: safety concern. We can cite a safety concern. It also

524
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 3: takes less time, right you're running one play to see

525
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: if somebody can get in as opposed to a couple

526
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 3: plays basically a mini drive starting from the twenty five,

527
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: it's going to take less time.

528
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

529
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's added to the quality of

530
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: the overtime though, you know, I mean what we saw

531
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 3: from Georgia and Georgia Tech was fun in the clean,

532
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 3: old fashioned hate game. That was an instant classic because

533
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: that went to eight overtime, six or whatever it was.

534
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: So would you go to like NFL. No, I'd go

535
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: back to the way college used to be. I would

536
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: go back to what it used to be. No two

537
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: point conversion exchanging. No.

538
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: I mean, you can start from the twenty five yard

539
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,479
Speaker 3: line and it's your prerogative to go for two if

540
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: you want to, but just take turns alternating from the

541
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: twenty five. I don't care how long it goes. At

542
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: that point in time, everybody's gassed anyway. But this need

543
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: that we have to keep redefining overtime and then re

544
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 3: introducing it to the audience. It's all it means that

545
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 3: you're doing something complicated. Yeah, it does right. And one

546
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 3: theme I think that is central to this conversation is

547
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 3: being antifan or trying not to be anti fan, right,

548
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: You keep changing the rules, keep changing conferences, you keep

549
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 3: changing all of these things in college football. It's very

550
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 3: much anti fan. Just keep it straightforward. It can be

551
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: very straightforward. Start at the twenty five score if you can.

552
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: If you can't, you're gonna lose.

553
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: Would you go back to ties? No, Okay, there was

554
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: something charming looking back, but I don't know if I

555
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: felt that way.

556
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: I don't think you could do ties anymore.

557
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 3: Okay, not with where we're at now, with having a

558
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: twelve team playoff. I can't even imagine what the committee

559
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 3: would do trying to consider ties. Right, but just go

560
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: back to the twenty five, go back the way it

561
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: used to be. I didn't think that there was too

562
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 3: big of an issue with that. Like that work for everybody,

563
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: and it wasn't perfect. No overtime system is, but that

564
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 3: was at least easy to understand. You didn't have to

565
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: do all this calculus. So I'm I'm on board just

566
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 3: going back to the way it used to be.

567
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: I'd get rid of coaches interviews at halftime. I don't

568
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: know who that service is. I don't know what the

569
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 2: point of it is. If you want to do something

570
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: going into halftime. Do something more interesting, have some sort

571
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: of x's and o's person break down, like the key

572
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: play of the first half. But and you can have

573
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: it be the sideline reporter. I think sideline reporters do

574
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: have value in that they're like looking at injuries on

575
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: the sideline and reporting on what they're seeing on the sideline.

576
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: Pulling a coach in after they're down seventeen at the

577
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: half or up three at the half to say, like,

578
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: you know, we just got to keep at it. I

579
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: think it's a waste to TV. You know, have the

580
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: sideline reporter break down the big play, Have Stormy Bona

581
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: Tony break down a big play. Fine, great, but I

582
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: would I would ditch that element of the broadcast.

583
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: What percentage of those in game coach spots would you

584
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: say are actually insightful?

585
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: Three to four percent?

586
00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: It's not a lot.

587
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: When you get a good one, it can be insightful.

588
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: When they talk to Marcus Freeman at halftime of the

589
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: National Championship game, I thought he gave voice to what

590
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: we were seeing and what they needed to do. He

591
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: just sort of confirmed that he was watching the same

592
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: gay we were. It's good to get that perspective from

593
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: time to time, but a lot of times you don't

594
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: get that.

595
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: A lot of times it's.

596
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: Just sort of like a brisk exchanging of pleasantries and

597
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: then you're not getting that insight. He just happens to

598
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: be very good at it. But a lot of coaches

599
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: couldn't care less about that spot, and I think it

600
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: is gratuitous. So I'd be fine with taking that out

601
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: and maybe giving some of the sideline analysts a little

602
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: bit more to chew on, you know, showcase what you got,

603
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: what you know, and how you might be able to

604
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: add to this broadcast, not just getting hollow comments from

605
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: a coach.

606
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: I agree, what's your next item?

607
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: Customized quadboxes? Okay?

608
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 2: Okay?

609
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 3: If if we're gonna harp on this theme of being

610
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: fan friendly, hmm, this isn't a big ask. YouTube not

611
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: currently a sponsor, probably won't be. I feel like they

612
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: pulled a bit of a bait and switch on us,

613
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: not just with upping the prices, which they've been doing

614
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: now consistently over the last four years, but this was

615
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 3: sort of sold to us as you're gonna be able

616
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: to construct your own quadboxes this year, and I think

617
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: to an extent they did it could I think they

618
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: did it with the NFL. I think they did it

619
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: with the NFL where you could actually pick the game.

620
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 2: Well this, I think you could select from a bigger

621
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: bank of games to construct your own quadbox, but not

622
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: a full bank.

623
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: Right, this was not as it was advertised, at least

624
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: by some at the start of the year. You still

625
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: can't build your own I know there are services. Do

626
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: not message me, do not at us. I know there

627
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 3: are other services outside of YouTube that allow you to

628
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: do this. Okay, I know this because you've all messaged

629
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: me before. But YouTube TV is bigger, it is more popular.

630
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: It's a service that I think a lot of the

631
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: people who listen to our show are also watching along

632
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: with on Saturdays. There is no reason, no technical reason.

633
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's easy. I'm not the developer doing this,

634
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: but clearly they've got the resources to make it happen.

635
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: They were able to make it work for the NFL. Yes,

636
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: there's no reason that we shouldn't have this capability next season.

637
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: I mean no disrespect to the teams that have been

638
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: just sort of along for the ride of my quad

639
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 3: boxes every Saturday. Yeah, I'm not always watching the d

640
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: two games that show up in there. I'm not always

641
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: watching the Army Navy games that are showing up in there,

642
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: all right. From my standpoint, those games don't add a

643
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: whole lot of value, So give me the option. They

644
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 3: already show you key plays, they show you stats. They

645
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: give you a chance to kind of enhance the home

646
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: viewing experience a little bit more by giving you a

647
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: couple of litle knickknacks here and there. Yeah, they even gave

648
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: us a way to make it seem like it's more

649
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: in real time, which we talked about on our on

650
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: our live streams. Give us the ability to fully customize

651
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: that quadbox.

652
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: You know what I would do, ty, I would pay

653
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: more for that, by the way, Oh yeah, I would

654
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: pay I personally make it part of a sports package.

655
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: I'd love for us to not have to pay more

656
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: for that, but I would personally that would make our lives,

657
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: I think a little bit easier. I don't want a

658
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: quad box. I want a niftier, more uh I friendly

659
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: duo box. I want, like the best way to display

660
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: two games at the same time to maximize screen but

661
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: also I can't pay attention to four games at the

662
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: same time. You got it worked in.

663
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: You've got to turn your TV on its side because

664
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: everything is sixteen by nine.

665
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: You're not strong, you know.

666
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: You need to be able to turn your.

667
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: TV on your enter into a uh that's what I want,

668
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: like a portrait or landscape mode.

669
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: I want to stack.

670
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can stack them on top of each other.

671
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: That's right, this is what well YouTube TV has to

672
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: be the leaders. They have to be out front on this. Yep,

673
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: turn your TVs vertically.

674
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: Put that YouTube video out there showing people how to

675
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: turn their TVs around. But a stack, baby, let's do

676
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 3: the stack.

677
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: What do you get? What else do you got?

678
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: I want more. I know a lot of this is

679
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: maybe TV centric, but I want more TV productions to

680
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: shame schools by showing empty stadiums.

681
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well now hold on, who wha whoa hold on?

682
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying sports writer from the box, Okay, like, oh,

683
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: this is what the crowd looks like.

684
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: Fifteen seconds people, we're gonna ask ahead.

685
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: I want the I want it in four K that

686
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: this school is doing an is there's an embarrassing effort

687
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: to get butts in seats at wherever.

688
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: How does that benefit anybody?

689
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: It lights a fire under the school. It embarrasses them.

690
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: Shame Shame works, ty not all, not as well as

691
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 2: it used to, not as well as to as well

692
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: as it used to, But I agree, But I think

693
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: shame works. And whether it's being better about ticket prices,

694
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: better about parking, better about the in stadium experience, better

695
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: about getting rid of a coach who should be you know, terminated,

696
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: whatever the reason is why your seats are empty. And

697
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: I know like places are trying, like people like to

698
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: like crap on Miami. The Miami Stadium is far away,

699
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: and they try, they try to do like the two

700
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: for one specials and everything like that. Still, though, I

701
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: think if it's the job of TV networks to tell

702
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: the story of a game, right, they have mics placed

703
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: all around the crowd so you get like the ambient sound,

704
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: the environmental sound. You should know that there are twenty

705
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 2: six thousand people in this ninety three thousand seater, and

706
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: I know maybe that doesn't encourage people to like stick

707
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: around because they feel like they're watching a listless product

708
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: or something like that. Shame these places, shame them into

709
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: filling their stadium, doing a better job of filling their state.

710
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: I want that I want to know. I want to

711
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: know what the place is like that I'm watching.

712
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: That's very cold hearted of you. I'm not necessarily against that,

713
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 3: I just I don't.

714
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: Because there's nothing like a full electric stadium for a

715
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: college football even watching the game on TV, there's nothing

716
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: like watching like a wall of people bearing down on

717
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: this huge moment in like the late third quarter. So

718
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with this take, Okay.

719
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: My issue with it is so much of the conversation

720
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 3: now is about competitive balance or competitive imbalance, and I

721
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: don't know what you are.

722
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: Gaining for anyone school.

723
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: Let's say it's Stanford, don't you know Stanford, sure cal

724
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: a school out on the West coast that doesn't necessarily

725
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: pull a huge attendance per game. I don't know if

726
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: that is helping solve their problems from a competitive balance standpoint.

727
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: By making a mockery of their attendants.

728
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: Not making a mockery. Showing reality time, Okay, you're just

729
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: showing reality. Not necessarily show reality when the stadium is

730
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: standing room only. Show reality when it's plenty of good

731
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: steat seats still available between the thirties, Show that reality,

732
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: pan give me, give me the environment and light a

733
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: fire under the people tasked with, you know, generating enthusiasm

734
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: about the the in person product of what you know,

735
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: Nevada football, Minnesota football, like show reality. That's all I'm

736
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: asking for. Tie, Don't do it maliciously. You don't instruct

737
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: your announcers to make fun of the attendance. Just show

738
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: what's happening in the stadium. Because I feel like they

739
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 2: try to cover this up. I have another one, Tie, Please.

740
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: I think all of these networks need to charge more

741
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: for commercials and eliminate blocks. If you want. If sky

742
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: Rizzy wants to pay to.

743
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: Sky Rizzy, I knew this was going to Sky.

744
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: Whatever if if Carl's Junior wants to if football is

745
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: such a popular live product, cut the blocks. Charge more

746
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: for the blocks. You can't have more than forty five

747
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: seconds of commercials. You can't. And I understand this is

748
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: what's paying the bills for all these places. This is

749
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 2: a TV product, this is a TV show. Charge more

750
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: show Fewer who would object to that if they're so

751
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: in demand. If Ford needs to be in the college

752
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: home Depot needs to be in the college world business,

753
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: all these places need to be in the college football business. Scarcity,

754
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: fewer commercials, charge more again, These are clear wins to me.

755
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: Well, it's a win for the fan to have fewer commercials, so.

756
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: Win for everybody.

757
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: We get it pretty reliably. I'd imagine anybody in this business,

758
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: like you and I are, get messages like this often

759
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: when oh boy, here we go commercial again, another commercial,

760
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: another commercial, another commercial. There hasn't been a year since

761
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight doing this podcast that we haven't

762
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: gotten tweets, social media postings, reverbs, emails, you name it

763
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 3: about people disgusted by commercials.

764
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: Touchdown commercial, kickoff commercial, right, charge more? You want? You

765
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 2: want to show Tracker, you want to show the Doctor Odyssey. Great, say,

766
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: and you can have whoever you can have. Sean McDonough say,

767
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 2: like this break between the verse and second quarter is

768
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: brought to you by Doc God has a and like

769
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: so you get extra repetitions. You show the extended commercial

770
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 2: version of it by Progressive, by you know whoever, heartys

771
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: and that's then we're back to the action. I don't know,

772
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: I just I think that's such an easy win. What

773
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: do you have?

774
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: There is no feeling of dread more pronounced than watching

775
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 3: a game and just seeing it materialize in slow motion

776
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: that they're going to break.

777
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: Yes when they hear the music, start paying.

778
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: Even the field of play, and it's always the sense

779
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: of impending due. Not to be over dramatic about it,

780
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: but nothing kills the flow. We talk about replay replays

781
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: its own beast. Nothing kills the flow of the fan

782
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: experience at home. If that's what the sport has become

783
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: like commercials. I think the NFL is worse, but college

784
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: football has definitely gotten to the point where it's.

785
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: A bad product. It's a bad product to cut back

786
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: and forth. People want to maximize their football time with

787
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: their friends and family. I have another one tie, Oh, okay,

788
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: keep going. I have one and a half more. Keep okay,

789
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: I've got a couple more. Yeah, congratulations, Your offense has

790
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: passed the forty has passed your own forty yard line.

791
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: You can't punt.

792
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: Oh you're putting up.

793
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: I don't care if it's fourth and eighteen. I don't

794
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: care if you are on your own forty one and

795
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: take a twelve yard sack. As soon as your team

796
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: hits your own forty yard line, no matter the fourth

797
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: down distance, you gotta go, you gotta go. We get

798
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: more football plays all due respect to punts, all due

799
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 2: respect to special teams. Congratulations, we have just and we've

800
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: just added more dramatic moments to football.

801
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: This is a take, I will say, this is a

802
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: take your own forty.

803
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: As soon as you cross your own forty, you can't punt.

804
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 2: As soon as you've accomplished that, you start your drive already,

805
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: you know, on the other teams thirty eight on the

806
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: other team's forty eight. Whatever, can't punt.

807
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm all about going forward on fourth down. Your

808
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: own forty seems a little steeped to me. Your own

809
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 3: forty maybe plus territory. Nope, you're on forty. Wow, You're

810
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: all you're doing is adding more big plays to football.

811
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I agree with this at all.

812
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: You're on your own forty four, it's fourth and six.

813
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: You have added You've added a big play, You've added

814
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: a high leverage moment to a football game. Congratulations, it

815
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: was free. It costs costs nobody anything. Is that barely English?

816
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: It didn't cost mean, it didn't will soul anything. Here.

817
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: I struggle a little bit with the man.

818
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: Your offensive coordinator has to earn their money.

819
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: Sorry, I struggle with the mandated play calls like if

820
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: you watch the Super Bowl, the Chiefs could not by

821
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: rule on side kick it earlier than you know, the

822
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: fourth quarter. They just wouldn't let them.

823
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: They changed that rule before the start of the year.

824
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: They kup it.

825
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: I still don't get the kickoff rule or what they're

826
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: you know, I know it's a safety thing.

827
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: It looks weird to me.

828
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: Thankfully, College still does not have the College has not

829
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 3: adopted that.

830
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: I seem to have worked, like concussions were like, way

831
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: way down.

832
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: That's a good thing.

833
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: That is a good thing.

834
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm maybe showing my age here, so.

835
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 2: No, but that was like the that was the reasoning

836
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: behind the rule. That was the theory, and the theory

837
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: played out.

838
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 3: The theory played out. But the on side kick thing,

839
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: the on site not being able to go for an

840
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 3: on side kick when you're down a couple of scorers

841
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 3: in a big game like the Super Bowl. I hate

842
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 3: the fact that they put that.

843
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: Wall up and they wouldn't let them do it.

844
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: But you know what, I think that's stupid, even though

845
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: we're mandating that you can't punt. Because I want football

846
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: games to feature more acts of aggression and an on

847
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: side kick in the second quarter, in the first quarter,

848
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: in the third quarter is an act of aggression. Going

849
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: forward on fourth and six from your own forty four

850
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: is an act of aggression, not defeat, and I think

851
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: football needs that.

852
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: How do we feel about targeting?

853
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: Then, speaking of acts, that's that's a penalty. I'm not

854
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: talking about that, Okay, we're talking about strategically. I'm talking

855
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: about strategic aggression. Punting once you cross the forty I

856
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: think enables coaches this like weird sense of security. We're like, look,

857
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 2: it was still like relatively successful because we pin them

858
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: inside their own No. Stop, Wow, it's fourth and six.

859
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: This is you're making millions upon millions of dollars. Chip

860
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 2: Kelly made two million dollars. Now he's making six million dollars.

861
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: How much is Mike Denbrock making for Notre Dame?

862
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: A lot of money? Couple mill right, a lot of million.

863
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, poor Mike Denbrock making a couple million dollars and

864
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: has to figure out a play that might work from

865
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: your own forty six yard line on fourth and five.

866
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: This would break Kirk Farence's Breen Kirk ference would be

867
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: out if they put this rule in.

868
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely the best Kirk Farens teams. The best of Kirk

869
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: Farens offenses have scored efficiently. They don't score a lot

870
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: of points. Their drives are slower, but they move the ball.

871
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: They've run the ball, They've had big tight ends. I

872
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: do not see a downside to this. Okay, what else

873
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: you have to go forth on the fourth down? Once

874
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: you cross, once you hite your own forty.

875
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: Your own forty, I think we should move it up.

876
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: But I the spirit of it, what you're going for

877
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: is not wrong.

878
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: This is this is my ultimate boomer take. Not that

879
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: the NCAA is good. Authority figures are good.

880
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: Okay, who we've reached? Who's an authority figure?

881
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 2: Unclear? Okay, unclear? This is the problem with the sport, right,

882
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: this is the problem with the sport. But we have

883
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 2: gone in to touch such a dramatic degree where we've

884
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: demonized authorities, and that anytime somebody in a conference at

885
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: the NCAA somewhere makes an eligibility decision that you don't

886
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: agree with, makes a suspension decision that you don't agree with,

887
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: you go to the lawyers and you get to sue

888
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: your way to what you want. Now, we probably need

889
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: a situation in which players are employees and are represented

890
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: and agree to a certain set of rules and everybody's

891
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: on the same page. But I think there need to

892
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 2: be authority figures in this sport that you can disagree

893
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: with the suspension, you can disagree with an eligibility ruling.

894
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know again, old man, here, you

895
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: get a point you have a point three GPA, and

896
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: the Big twelve says, you know what, you can't play

897
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: this year or you can't play in September, and you

898
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: just hire a lawyer to sue your way out of

899
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: it and say that that's unconstitutional. Okay, So no rules, right, Like,

900
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: there has been this wave of anarchy among fans it

901
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: seems where it's just like the NC double A is corrupt,

902
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 2: it's a cartel. Okay, So who should be in charge?

903
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,320
Speaker 2: Let's get somebody in charge to make rules and force rules.

904
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: And if you think all rules are bad and everything

905
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: should be anarchy, I don't think I can convince you

906
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: of anything. But I old man at this point in

907
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: my late thirties, early forties ateties, Yeah, I'm okay with

908
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: knowing like calling balls and strikes, you can't sue your

909
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 2: way to a strikeout if you're a pitcher. So I'm

910
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: good with somebody setting rules and enforcing rules, because right

911
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 2: now the people at charge in charge of conferences are

912
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: in charge of TV negotiations, it seems they're not trying

913
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: to figure out a playing field, they're not trying to

914
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: figure out what's best for the sport. They're not trying

915
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: to figure out right and wrong. So I want from

916
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: somewhere somehow authority figures. How about that.

917
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have a problem with a college football commissioner.

918
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: I know that there's been renewed conversation around that, and

919
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: I think we're headed in that direction with the sport. Honestly,

920
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: I mean, if things have evolved, this sport desperately needs

921
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: the commissioner not being scaffolding on top of scaffolding, as

922
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: we have joked for years, put somebody in charge of

923
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: the whole thing, it'd be a conversation, right because right

924
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 3: now it's Greg Zankee, it's Tony Petiti, it's the network

925
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: guys that are kind of running everything. They need to

926
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: figure out a way to decouple all that. But I

927
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: do think as time goes on here, cries for having

928
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 3: that commissioner are only going to intensify. So I'm with

929
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 3: you on that front. My take on this is that

930
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: I don't think it should be Nick Saban.

931
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 2: Okay, right now, if you go around as you ask

932
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: people who should be the commissioner of college football, everybody's

933
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: as well Nick Saban obviously, yeah, Nick Saban.

934
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 3: He used to be Oliver Lock. Now it's Nick Saban.

935
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it should be Saban. Saban's a great coach.

936
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,919
Speaker 3: Saban clearly has opinions about how those sports should be run,

937
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 3: should be operated. I think part of the reason he

938
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: got out of the sport was because of where the

939
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: sport has gone, right, because it evolved in a way

940
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 3: that maybe he wasn't too fond of.

941
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that means.

942
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 3: It's somebody, you know, with a different mindset, somebody who

943
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: has been part of some of these rule changes and

944
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 3: part of getting the sports where it is now. I

945
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: don't know who that person is. I don't have the

946
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: solution on that front, but in favor of a commissioner,

947
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: I don't think it should be saving. But the sooner

948
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: we can get somebody in that kind of you know,

949
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: has the sport in his or her best interests, the better.

950
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just saw stories about like it was Fave Vincent,

951
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 2: who I think was like considerably the last MLB commissioner's

952
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: truly thought of ways to forward, like to move baseball forward,

953
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: rather than just to be a mouthpiece for owners. Like

954
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: it's a tough person to find. That is going to

955
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: be a tough person to find. But like, yeah, I

956
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: mean everybody always talks about, you know, different number of

957
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: conference games on schedules if the whatever, the Bowl Consortium

958
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: whoever decides that, like you get one FCS win to

959
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 2: get to six, Yeah, to be eligible for a bowl. Okay,

960
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: if you're a power conference team and you want to

961
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: make the playoff, you got to play ten power conference games.

962
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: You don't want to play nine in your own conference,

963
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: you got to schedule two outside of the conference. I agree,

964
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: that's fine, Okay, I mean just something like that where

965
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: you're just like, let's set the other end of things.

966
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 2: If you want to be eligible for the college Football Playoff,

967
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: you have to play ten Power conference games. You want

968
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: to do eight, eight plus two, you want to do

969
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 2: nine plus one, whatever, however you want to get there,

970
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: get there. I'm alway does it.

971
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: I'm all in favor of the commissioner. I'm all in

972
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: favor of the commissioner. I'm all in favor of putting

973
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 3: up some rules. You know, I'm with you on players, teams, coaches, conferences, whomever,

974
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: being able to sue their way out of a predictabment.

975
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 3: I you know, it doesn't feel great. It doesn't feel great.

976
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: And look, there are plenty of instances over the course

977
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: of college football where you know, I'm fine with the lawsuit.

978
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 3: I'm fine with the lawsuits that brought us ANIL and

979
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: the transfer port and things like that. Something that the players,

980
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 3: some of the agency back to the players, I'm cool

981
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 3: with that. But you know, we do need more structure now.

982
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: We do need more structure. This has turned into a serious,

983
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: multi billion dollar business, far beyond what it was even

984
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: five years ago. So the time is now to put

985
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 3: somebody in place that can just look after this shepherd

986
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 3: the sport into the next generation. I have one final

987
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: thing here as do I continue. My final thing is

988
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 3: that college game day does not need to be three

989
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: hours or four hours or seven hours whatever it is

990
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 3: every day. College game day should be one hour, maybe

991
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: one hour. I don't need two, I don't need three.

992
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: One hour maybe this is me speaking as a college

993
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: football podcast scarcity, give me your best hour. I know

994
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 3: a lot of what's coming already on a Saturday morning

995
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: because we do this show. This is not an advertisement

996
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: to get people to listen to this show by any stretch.

997
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: I just don't.

998
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 3: I don't need all of that. I don't need all

999
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: of that. If you have ever had the good fortune

1000
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 3: of watching some of like the soccer coverage out of

1001
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 3: the UK, and it's not all of it, but some

1002
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: of it is very meat and potatoes, even when they're

1003
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 3: doing highlights. We don't got the catchphrases. We don't even

1004
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 3: have any kind of commentary.

1005
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: These are the clips.

1006
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 3: You get to watch the clips, then somebody comes back

1007
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 3: on screen introduces the next game, and then you watch

1008
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: the clips for that game. College game Day can be

1009
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: a little bit more personality driven than that, but there

1010
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: is definitely, I think a novelty in just watching something,

1011
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 3: getting the information you want, getting ready for the day ahead,

1012
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: without all the extra frills.

1013
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: I don't need that.

1014
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: Do the head thing at the end with the with

1015
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: the mascotthead like that's a tradition unlike any other. You know,

1016
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: keep the charm of college game. I just don't need

1017
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 3: three hours of it.

1018
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 2: I want two. I want two hours of game day.

1019
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't even need that.

1020
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: I don't need I know you don't. But some of

1021
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 2: us in this college football universe tie live in the

1022
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: culture of the sports, and college football or college game

1023
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: day is the centerpiece of the culture of this sport.

1024
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: I don't know who would come in second other than us, Tye.

1025
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,359
Speaker 2: But with that kind of platform, you're going to Knoxville,

1026
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: You're going to Champagne. I don't know if they've ever

1027
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: been to Champagne. You're going to wherever. Take a segment

1028
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: to appreciate that you're here, and this is what college

1029
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: football is like here. This is the tradition of being here.

1030
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: Obviously you go to Alabama a million times. You got

1031
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: to find new stories, You got to do new things right.

1032
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: You want to tell a story like a human interest story. Okay,

1033
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: tell one, tell one human interest story. Make it a banger,

1034
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: put all your meat and potatoes behind it. That's great.

1035
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 2: You want to talk about you want to have like

1036
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: a roundtable discussion of some kind. You want to have

1037
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: Pat McAfee find somebody to kick it through. I think

1038
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: all that's fun that's good TV. That's great. That's your

1039
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 2: first hour and your second hour is an extensive look

1040
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 2: at the day ahead. Let the preview breathe a little

1041
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: bit more. That's why people are excited to be there

1042
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: on Saturday morning. Let's not have somebody skim through the

1043
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: fact that, Like, we have the butt game this week

1044
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 2: in Baylor, Texas Tech, and you just you'll force whoever

1045
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: Desmond Howard or Nick Saban into like I think Texas

1046
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 2: Tech is the better team. Give me the Red Raiders, like, no,

1047
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: give me some meat. You are the state meat of

1048
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: the board. All right, final thing before we let the

1049
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: fine people go. I have one and a half continue

1050
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: before it is yours. Okay, my my main thing, Well,

1051
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 2: these are two kind of half half things. Uh, DJs.

1052
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: I want DJs nowhere near my sport.

1053
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I gonna say where you go with this? Fair enough?

1054
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: I want DJs nowhere near my stadiums. I want DJs

1055
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: nowhere near my tailgates. I think marching bands are great.

1056
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 2: I think you want to pipe in noise. Whatever. The

1057
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: DJ thing, it's an old man take. It's a boomer.

1058
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: It's old man yelling at clouds. Get DJs away from my.

1059
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: Sport DJs pro fan anti DJ the solid Yes, I

1060
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: don't want that describe.

1061
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: The other thing that I hate this is it's extremely

1062
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: specific good. It's a rainy day tie, it's a rainy

1063
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: day in Raleigh, it's a rainy day wherever. And you've

1064
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 2: got a receiver, you've got a quarterback, whatever, and they've

1065
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: got the towel tucked into their waistband. They dry off

1066
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: their hands because they want to maximize dryness before this

1067
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: play in which they have to throw a bomb, or

1068
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: they have to not screw up a handoff, or they

1069
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: have to catch an out pattern, whatever, And they take

1070
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: the towel, they dry their hands, and then they throw

1071
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 2: the towel behind them and there's just a towel sitting

1072
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: on the field.

1073
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: Drive me crazy.

1074
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: I lose my mind. I can't watch a play if

1075
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: there's a towel on the field like this could go backwards.

1076
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: This play could go backwards. We could have a bad snap,

1077
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: we could have a receiver try to reverse field because

1078
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: the initial attempt isn't there, and all of a sudden,

1079
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: there is a towel in somebody's path. I can't have

1080
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: people throwing towels on the field.

1081
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: No towels in the field.

1082
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: I can't have it. Tie.

1083
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: Is it a fifteen yard penalty? What should that be?

1084
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think everybody needs to figure out

1085
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: how to do like the wearable fanny pack thing and

1086
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: dry their hands like that the dryer hands throw the

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Speaker 2: towel four yards behind the play. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 2: it makes my skin crawl.

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Speaker 1: It does make my skin crawl a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Trips just there's an active towel on the field. Minnesota

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Speaker 2: can't have it. So I don't know what the solution

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Speaker 2: is there, but we can't have it. I think those

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Speaker 2: are my old man grievo and.

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Speaker 1: Those are mine too.

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Speaker 3: Look, thank you to the Verballer hood for allowing us

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Speaker 3: to be old men on this episode. We would encourage

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Speaker 3: you please hit us up Celverble at gmail dot com,

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Speaker 3: cross any of our social platforms wherever you can lead

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Speaker 3: it cont leave a comment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're watching the video of it on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: throw it down there.

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Speaker 3: Would love to hear from you. Get your thoughts on

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Speaker 3: some of our ideas, maybe those we didn't have a

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Speaker 3: chance to cover. We got a long off season, dog

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Speaker 3: we can talk about many more of these. If any

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Speaker 3: bubble to the surface and give us some reason to

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Speaker 3: do so.

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Speaker 1: So yes, welcome.

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Speaker 3: All input from the verballer hood. Please check us out

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Speaker 3: at forbawlers dot com. By the way, we still do

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Speaker 3: the ad free episodes of bonus content, still get access

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Speaker 3: to the discord server and whatever else we're cooking up

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Speaker 3: here in the off season, So that's a great way

1114
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Speaker 3: you can help support what Dan and I do, other

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Speaker 3: than just hitting follow or subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Of course, if you made it this far, I think

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Speaker 1: you're ready.

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Speaker 3: In so why don't we leave it there Dan, for

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Speaker 3: that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,

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Speaker 3: Ti Hillebrand, thank you for indulging us here some of

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Speaker 3: our cockamamie proposals.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you all. Stay solid, peace,