1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: What's new my year ship? Yeah, new year, same ship. 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans. This is behind the retired We retired 3 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: this bit? Who where is this time for a new bit? 4 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: This is it could happen here the podcast about how 5 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: things sometimes feel like they're falling apart sometimes and maybe 6 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: we can do things about that. You know what's falling 7 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: apart is me because I, during my break woke up 8 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: at like one thirty every day and now it's someone 9 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: speakable hour in the morning. I hate this the time 10 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: you part the time for for For one of our 11 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: first episodes of the New Year, we have decided to 12 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: subject ourselves to your para social whims um and we 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: are going to be doing maybe one, maybe two Q 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: and A episodes. Um uh giving AI's to your cues. 15 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: And I've been in the cue. It's okay. I've been 16 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: told that our producer Sophie has a list of questions 17 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: already prepared so that I can stop talking and she can. 18 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 1: Now you've been told you're the one who posted the thread. 19 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: Sophie said that she would read them. I did volunteers tribute, 20 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: but I might, I might. I might take that back. 21 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: It's you how much at some point. Yeah. Uh, let's 22 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: let's let's start with let's start with a simply a 23 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: good one. Uh. What has been your favorite episode slash 24 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: topic to research in this past season? So since we 25 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: started season two? Oh god, Um, I enjoyed the metaverse 26 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: Facebook episodes because there's a part of me that really 27 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: likes shitting on bad tech industry stuff. Um. It fills 28 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: a deep part of me just just really comprehensively thinking 29 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: about how how terrible the vision of the future these 30 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: people have it. So that was probably my favorite. I 31 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: liked the Climate Leviathan stuff. Um, the Climate Leviathan, climate Behemoth, 32 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: climate mal climate X, kind of four quadrants. I I 33 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: liked learning about that, like, jeez, almost a year ago 34 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: actually by the time I started researching for the show. Um, 35 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: and I'm decently happy with the way that those topics 36 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: were presented and how they keep popping back every once 37 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: in a while. I think in terms of just the 38 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: favorite episode I recorded, it was probably the interview with 39 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: the Common Humanity Collective people, just because like listening to 40 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of people who have very sophisticated and well 41 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: developed mutual aid project and then listening to you know 42 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: that them talking about their political development and how they've 43 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: been sort of solving their problems was really reassuring and 44 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: cheerful in a lot of ways. And then research wise, 45 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: was definitely the Spooky Area fifty one episode where I 46 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm gonna do a fun episode about uh, 47 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: the government and aliens and it was like, oh no, 48 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: here's every war crime ever and like sixteen people almost 49 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: killing everyone on earth. This is This is Probably probably 50 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: the most fun I had was with the Chaos, Magic 51 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: and Esotericism episode just how silly it is? Um? Yeah, 52 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: that one. That one also was just just a pleasure 53 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: to record. I also loved having Corey doctor rowan um 54 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: because that was cool. That was cool. That was that 55 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: was very cool, how cool of us. I've enjoyed our 56 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: our fiction episodes with Margaret and with Rebecca those those 57 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: have been great. And I've loved having st Andrew. Yeah, 58 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: that has been also very cool, fantastic. What were gonna say, 59 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: Robert nothing, Oh great, this person says. I think I've 60 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: got my head wrapped around mutual aid, community resilience and 61 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: all the stuff you talk about. Any tips on how 62 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: to effectively communicate it to people who might not be 63 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: at least initially open to it. H Um. I mean 64 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: it kind of depends on why they're not open to it, right. 65 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: So it's it's a matter of are they just somebody 66 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: who has a lot of faith in in systems as 67 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: they exist, or they someone who's kind of coming at 68 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: it from more of a traditional like liberal, um status 69 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: perspective where they think the option is to get in 70 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: line with you know, the Democratic Party and support that 71 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: and that will make things better. Um. Like basically, are 72 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: they a top down er um, or there's somebody who 73 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: rejects it because it's like communism um, and they don't 74 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: they don't think that people have any kind of fundamental 75 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: responsibility to themselves. Um. Because you are going to have 76 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: kind of a different approach to trying to each either 77 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: of those people. Um if they're coming at it from 78 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of more of a right wing standpoint, but they're not, 79 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, uh talking about shooting vaccine doctors. Um, they're 80 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: just kind of conservative. I think the way to do 81 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: it is to sort of hearken back to some of 82 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: these very traditional ideas of like, um, American homesteaders and 83 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: and independent you know, communities on the frontier and self 84 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: reliance and how mutual aid is people taking responsibility UM 85 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: for their communities rather than you know, this idea I 86 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: think a lot of conservatives have of like people UM 87 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: just kind of lazily taking charity. How it's it's different 88 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: from charity, and that it's a community UM seeing its 89 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: own needs and becoming independent as much as as possible 90 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: on the state from the state UM by trying to 91 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: meet its own needs. And how that UM is better 92 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: for people than just sort of UM like being dependent 93 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: upon government programs. I think that's kind of the way 94 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: in which to reach out to those people with that 95 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: idea if they're coming at it from more of a liberal, 96 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: top down approach, UM, I think you can get more 97 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: into the weeds and may argue about kind of inefficiencies 98 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: within the system, problems within the system. I think one 99 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: thing to really point out that will probably still be 100 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: fresh to a lot of people of that persuasion is 101 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: how frightening the first couple of weeks of quarantine were 102 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: and all of the supply line issues and kind of 103 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: the early breakdown, and be like, look, um, that didn't 104 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: go away, like right, you can see that that we're 105 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 1: still dealing with a lot of this and we're still 106 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: having supply line disruptions and the state really has not 107 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: kind of even under Biden sailed and to clear the gap. 108 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: And so we need these community resiliency programs, UM. And 109 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: you can you know, depending on the kind of person there, 110 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: you can also sort of point out, um, the degree 111 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: to which there is our attempts at kind of avatage 112 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 1: of any sort of of of of top down government 113 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: programs by the right, and how UM that's part of 114 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: why you need community resiliency programs because you can't guarantee 115 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: who's going to be in the White House, you can't 116 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: guarantee what's going to continue to get funded. Um. And 117 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: outside of kind of any of the the structural issues 118 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: um that make that stuff difficult. So I think, UM, 119 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of broadly speaking, the two different ways you 120 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: you can broach those conversations with people, depending on the 121 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: tendencies they're they're looking at it from. Uh, let's let's 122 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: let's get into an unpleasant one. What's the gang's outlook 123 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: on this year's election and how do you think it 124 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: might position us for Do we see more violence sitting 125 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: up to the next presidential election? Well, I know we'll 126 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: be doing a prediction z is episode later. Um. But 127 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: as for this election, I have I've not looked at 128 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: anything about it. I think the Steelers are going to 129 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: take it all? What what? Well? What's border are the Steelers? Um? 130 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: One of them? That's great? Uh? I mean yeah, I 131 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: mean I feel like if Democrats want to keep the 132 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: power that they currently have, they will probably need to 133 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: do some type of symbolic action that makes people think 134 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: they actually do things. I mean, they've managed to have 135 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: control of every and done absolutely nothing that they so 136 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: I'm guessing if they want to keep that, they should 137 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: probably do something really soon, um or else I don't 138 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: see people being super eager to vote in two for 139 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: the Democrats. Yeah. Yeah, I mean one of the issues 140 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: they've got is this this thing that you know, kind 141 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: of the technocrats always have where you know, as we 142 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: as Corey pointed out when we had them on, there 143 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: have been some really positive moves by the Biden administration 144 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: in terms of like appointments and how different kind of 145 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: agencies are being handled. Um. But when it to the 146 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: things that he actually campaigned on, like, it just hasn't 147 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: it hasn't happened, should it? It ain't been done? Um, 148 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: like the closest we've gotten recently is yet another kick 149 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: the can down the street a little bit for student 150 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: loan repayments, And I agree, I think they need to do. 151 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: There's like two big things they could do that might 152 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: have a significant shifting effect. One of them would be 153 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: student debt forgiveness, and one of them would be fucking 154 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: de schedule marijuana. Even without Congress, Biden could could not 155 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: actively make marijuana not and like that would be number 156 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: one politically, the easiest fucking win in the world because 157 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: the vast majority of Republicans don't give a shit about 158 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: that anymore. Um, it will piss off cops, which is 159 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: probably why you won't do it. But like, those two 160 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: things could have an impact on mid terms. That's certainly 161 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: a thing that would like you can campaign on more. 162 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't know that I think he'll 163 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: do that. And of obviously I guess another big old 164 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: payment to stay home, But I think that shipped un sailed, 165 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: Like honestly, like, I don't think they want to win, 166 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: so they can sit there and then and go, oh, yeah, 167 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: we can't do anything because Republicans control the House, and 168 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: you guys need to like you guys need to like 169 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: save us in this is the most important election of 170 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: our lifetime. It's like, and they will keep doing this 171 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: over and over and over again until literally the seize 172 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: boil and everyone, you know, everyone is being heard into 173 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: concentration camps. Like they will just keep doing this and 174 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: and like I think that's that's the thing that's actually 175 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: important about the two cycle is that like the Democrats 176 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: have you know what, you know what the rejection of 177 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: Brinie Sanders sort of is is the Democrats essentially going, 178 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: we are not a popular party, right, like we we 179 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: are not a party that is going to like like 180 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: we will not even give the pretense of like having 181 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: a base that we represent and we do things for 182 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: like we're just we're just in it for ourselves. We're 183 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: in it's just like, you know, give all of our 184 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: weird like black Rock friends positions in the government, and 185 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: we don't you know, and it's you know, it's it's 186 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: we we don't have a policy agenda, and we don't 187 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: care if we lose because if we lose, all you 188 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: people just have to go put us back into office 189 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: because the alternative is just more death camps. Yeah, I 190 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: mean I think there's a broad belief like within kind 191 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party that things are still business as 192 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: usual and that the Republican Party is still a political party, 193 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: and so kind of the handing off and switching of 194 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: power is fine. That's seen as business as usual, rather 195 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: than the Democrats are the Republicans are continually ratcheting away 196 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: from there being any chance of a switch of power, 197 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: um at least through legal means. Like that's the whole 198 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: thing they're doing. And the failures to pass any kind 199 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: of voting rights and the failures to see like a 200 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: voting right reform as an existential issue for not just 201 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: the party, but like the concept of uh democracy in 202 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: this country is is I think evidence that. However, you 203 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: kind of try to rationalize in your head why it's happening. 204 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: There's a real disconnect between the party leadership and understandings 205 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: of the new nature of reality. Yeah, well that the 206 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: other thing. I mean, they'll be fine, right, like outside 207 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: of like another January six killing them all, Like, they'll 208 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: be fine. It doesn't like for them, it basically doesn't 209 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: matter if Republicans take power. Maybe maybe some of them 210 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: will get impeached. They'll be like a show trial for 211 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: like two people or something, but like they're gonna be fine, 212 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: and you know, that's that's the thing that motivates all 213 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: of their thinking, is that they can they can survive 214 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: another public administration. Like we're you know, we're dying under 215 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: both of them. And you know, like, I mean, this 216 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: is this is partially you know, if you want to 217 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: talk about sort of the COVID response for a second, 218 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: in the relation that has to the election, it's like, yeah, 219 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: the Democrats are just like completely given up even the 220 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: pretense of doing literally anything about COVID literally because literally anything, yeah, 221 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: go out and die, like so we can talk about that. 222 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: That's a separate Yeah, yeah, that's a separate issue, I think, 223 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: just in terms of like how how to interpret what 224 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: they're doing with COVID and the degree to which I 225 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: think they even have a chance of uh whatever. Um. 226 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like they don't care if we live die, 227 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: like we care if we live or die, and we're 228 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: gonna have to do stuff on our own outside of 229 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: this because they're just gonna kill us. All. Yeah. I 230 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: mean I think that it's hard for me to tell 231 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: where the elections are going to go precisely. Uh Biden's 232 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: polling certainly isn't great. It's also not like wildly out 233 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: of step with how where presidents often are kind of 234 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: at this point UM in in their cycle. So and 235 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: also it's pretty normal for the party that just won 236 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: the presidential election to lose at the midterms. That's more 237 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: normal than not UM, I think. So, I think the 238 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: big questions are number one, like the degree to which 239 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: it's a wide sweep, which is going to depend on 240 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: the actual impact a lot of these UM efforts to 241 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: kind of restrict voting and jerrymander, Like what the actual 242 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: on the ground impact is UM, and the degree to 243 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: which we've seen an actual shift, because one of the 244 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: things that the polls don't often tell us is like, yeah, 245 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: Democrats are not popular. Most people seem to be aware 246 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: that a lot of promises have gone unfulfilled, But it 247 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: doesn't also mean that they like the Republicans UM, who 248 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: as the party of Trump, are still kind of widely 249 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: disliked by people. So it's kind of unclear to me 250 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: what precisely is going to go down, by which I 251 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: mean whether or not it's going to be a pretty 252 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: normal midterm, whether the Republicans pick up some seats or 253 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: like a nightmare blowout. Um And I do think that 254 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: has a lot to do with whether or not Biden 255 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: and like does a couple of the things that a 256 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: president can do unilaterally that would be really easy for 257 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: other people to campaign on. Um. Like he they have to, 258 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: like if they actually do want to win, they have 259 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: to they have to make a couple of big hail 260 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: mary's they have to do again, Biden has to do 261 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: a couple of the big things that a president can 262 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: do and then say, Okay, see I did a thing, 263 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: put more Democrats in, and we can do this other 264 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: big thing that a president can't do on his own 265 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: or something like that. Like I just don't see, um. 266 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, anything could happen. Still, it's fucking January. 267 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: I think there's a positive if you want to be 268 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: in terms of things that are making me kind of optimistic, 269 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: um and and in terms of things that are better 270 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: about when the Democrats are in powder and then the Republicans, 271 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: you can bully the Biden administration to taking broadly positive action, 272 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: which is what happened with student loan repayments, right. That's 273 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: why that did get kicked down. The can a couple 274 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: of kick down the road a couple of months. Um. 275 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: And so I do think there's potential in um harassing 276 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: the Biden administration to taking actions that can make Democrats 277 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: more popular. Um. That would not be the reason to 278 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: do it. The reason to do it is so that 279 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: people don't starve trying to pay back student loans. Um. 280 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: But it does point to, I think in an avenue 281 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: of hope. UM, if we're trying not to be complete 282 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: doomers in January of two. Yeah, and speaking of avenues 283 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 1: of hope, it's time for an adverb. Ah. The only 284 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: thing that gives me hope is the products and services 285 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: that support this podcast are the heck we are we 286 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: are I've i've I have a question. I would like 287 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: us to talk about uma new year book list. Oh yeah, 288 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: that's so simple. So what's what's some I think we 289 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: could answer this like? And then they also someone else 290 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: followed up with saying, recommend some books that maybe not 291 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: just left this theory of climate change, also some like 292 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: fiction stuff as well. And I'm just gonna say the 293 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: books that I'm reading or is on my reading list, 294 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna recommend books I've already read. I'm 295 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: just gonna say the ones I'm currently reading. UM. I'm 296 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: still making it through hyper objects for an upcoming episode. UM. 297 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: I picked up a really a book I wanted to 298 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: get for a long time called Islands of Abandonment, which 299 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: is about um people, Well, no, it's it's it's about 300 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: places that have kind of been forgotten and regrown or 301 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: taken to have been kind of reclaimed by the area 302 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: that they were, that they were built on. And then 303 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: I also have a random few books on alchemy that 304 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: I'm going through as well. That's most of my books. Horrible. 305 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: UM I read. The last book I finished in was 306 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: in the Garden of Beasts, which is by what is 307 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: his name? I think it's Eric larson Um. He's a 308 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: guy who's written He wrote like Devil in the White 309 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: City and a couple of other books that people have 310 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: probably read Eric larson Um, And it's about the first 311 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: US ambassador to Nazi Germany or what becomes Nazi Journey. 312 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: He gets sent there right before, like like months before 313 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: Hitler takes power, and the book largely traces he and 314 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: his family's journey in Nazi Germany from like kind of 315 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: didn't really care about German politics and were often broadly 316 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: sympathetic towards the Nazis. They melt met like his daughter 317 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: kind of is very much like on board with the 318 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: Nazi revolution for like the first half year that she's there. 319 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: She's also like simultaneously dating the head of the Gestapo 320 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: and the Soviet um like assistant ambassador, which is fascinating. Like, 321 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: it's a very interesting book, um, And the story like 322 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: the journey this kind of family goes on realizing like 323 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: what the Nazis are in the perspective of that. It's 324 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: it's very well written. Um, it's very detailed. I really 325 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. The thing that I liked the most was 326 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: the detail it goes into about the kind of the 327 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: fates of because it's it's a more you know, obviously 328 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: as much of a nerd on the history of fascism 329 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: as I am, I've read a lot about the Night 330 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: of Long Knives. This did the best job of kind 331 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: of going into detail about the kind of dudes who 332 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: the dudes who were purged in the Night of Long Knives. 333 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: So these guys who were Nazis in that they wore 334 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: swastikas and they were part of the party and whatnot. 335 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: But also weren't Nazis enough to not get purged And 336 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases were like starting to fall 337 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: out of love with the party when the Night of 338 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: Long Knives had And so it's these it's really interesting, 339 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: UM and I recommend it to people. And the last 340 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: book I started in the first book I finished in 341 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: two was called Ministry of the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson, 342 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: who is UM an interesting science fiction author, in part 343 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: because Ministry of the Future is about climate change. UM. 344 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: It is a a science fiction look at about like 345 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: a thousand different potential solutions to climate change. And Kim 346 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: Stanley Robinson is actually like an expert UM. He works 347 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: for the Sierra Center. I think it's called UM. He's 348 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: won a bunch of awards for his work on like 349 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: trying to like posit different solutions to climate change. He's 350 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: he he understand he's not like coming at this from 351 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: the perspective of an even even a well researched author. 352 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: He's he's writing from the perspective of someone who is 353 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: an actual scientific expert in what happens and how the 354 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: different solutions might work. And the thing that's really interesting 355 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: about Ministry of the Future is it's this fascinating melange 356 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: of UM. Like a number of the character the Ministry 357 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: of the Future is this kind of hypothetical new U 358 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: N agency that's put in place after a horrible wet 359 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: bulb um heat event kills twenty million people in India UM, 360 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: and they're they're kind of trying to push for very 361 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: technocratic solutions to climate change. So, like one of the 362 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: big things the book focuses on a lot is this 363 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: idea of a climate coin, which is a kind of 364 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: UM international backed by banks, cryptocurrency that that pays as 365 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: a kind of long term bond for sequestering carbon, so 366 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: that like countries like Saudi Arabia that have huge oil 367 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: reserves actually make more money by using to pump out 368 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: oil and thus get paid in these coins. So it's 369 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: really technocratic solutions like that. And then also terrorist groups 370 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: that may be funded by this U N agency building 371 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: fleets of drones to murder people on commercial air flights 372 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: UM in mass in order to cripple the entire air 373 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: travel industry and stop carbon emission and carrying out mass 374 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: assassinations on like CEOs of of oil companies living in 375 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: their private islands. So it's this really interesting mix of 376 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: like kind of liberal politicians and like bankers like working 377 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: out these very wonky solutions to things, and like terrorists 378 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 1: who have lost people in climate emergencies mass murdering um billionaires, 379 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: uh and and so it's it's a very it's the 380 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: whitest possible ranging look at kind of different solutions to 381 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: climate change and how they might work. And it's a 382 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: very optimistic book. UM. And there's there's elements of it 383 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: that I kind of the optimism I kind of disagree with. 384 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: I think oddly enough Kim doesn't give enough weight to 385 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: the day dangers of authoritarian populism and and the threat 386 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: I think they present to any of these kind of 387 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: potential solutions. But it's still a very well thought out 388 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: look at climate change and I think really worth reading 389 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: UM if you want something that will both bring up 390 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: different because he also goes into a lot of like 391 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: very scientific solutions, like pumping up water from underneath glaciers 392 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: in order to stop glaciers from sliding, and like slow 393 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: the rate of melt and all these these other kind 394 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: of like very much like technical here's a thing that 395 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: we can do that will reduce the effect of this 396 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: specific Um kind of climate change. It's really a very 397 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: good book. Um and it's apparently was Barack Obama's favorite 398 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: book of the year, which, considering the degree in which 399 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: it talks about murdering politicians and business leaders, is interesting 400 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: to me. I think he was maybe more paying attention 401 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: to the carbon coins stuff than the shooting oil industry 402 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: executives in their face while they're sleeping. Well, he was 403 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: also a fan of parasite, so walty. He may just 404 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: have been told this is a book you should say 405 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: you like, but it is. It is a very good book. 406 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: It is really worth reading. Um and it's it's it 407 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: is a work of science fiction. But honestly it's like 408 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: it's also it's well again, Kim really understands his stuff 409 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: from a technical level, so I think it's pretty unimpeachable 410 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: from that point of view. There are some kind of 411 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: sociological areas where I don't think the book. I think 412 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: there's some ship missing, particularly as regards the problems authoritarianism 413 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: is going to cause in reaching for these solutions. But 414 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: I think it's still really really valuable. And Chris, we're 415 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: going to hear your responses, but first capitalism here you 416 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: are reading read few things, um, and reading more Chwang, 417 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: which is a theoretical journal about China that writes a 418 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: lot of very very good stuff. They have probably the 419 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: best account I've ever seen of just what was going 420 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: on during the socialist period and then also the sort 421 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: of transition to capitalism. That's those are those are those 422 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: are issues one and two, and they just published an 423 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: issue about it, basically, how the pandemic response happens in China. 424 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: It's it's absolutely fascinating. Um. It's also about sort of 425 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: is this something that Yeah, I've talked about a lot 426 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: of their stuff on the show, sort of obliquely or directly, 427 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: but like, you know, one of one of the big 428 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 1: things is about how, in a lot of ways, the 429 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: pandemic reveals the sort of weakness of the Chinese state 430 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: and in a way that you know it is you 431 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: don't see really because both both you know, both the 432 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: Chinese state and this sort of like American media have 433 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: this vested interest in showing like China's is sort of 434 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: like all powerful authoritarian police state or whatever, like the 435 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: miliar image of it is like this isn't but you 436 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: know what what you really see is that like this 437 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: this state has a very strong ability to intervene in 438 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: like one province at a time, and they can you 439 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: know when when when they focus, when they focus all 440 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: the sort of administrative power on like one area, right, 441 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: they're extremely effective. They can't really do it in you know, 442 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: multiplayers at the same time. And this means that you're 443 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: dealing with all the sort of regional government stuff and 444 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: it's it's very interesting. The the other thing that I have, well, okay, 445 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: so do do we want to talk like a little 446 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: bit about the dawn of everything or do you want 447 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: to save that for just like yeah, I I'm down 448 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: to talk about that at any point. Yeah, ok, yeah, 449 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: that's definitely on my list. That is a long one 450 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: that's less of a read I think where most people 451 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: are going to be less of a read in one 452 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: sweep than like maybe for over the course of the year, 453 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: like gradually. Yeah. Yeah, it's very very dense and very long, 454 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,239 Speaker 1: but very readable. Like not to say that it's like 455 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: dense in the I gotta like slog through this textbook. 456 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: It's extremely readable. It's just like there's a lot in 457 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: there and you're gonna want to pause and think about ship. Yeah. 458 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: So so not everything is this is the last book 459 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: David Graeber ever wrote, and it's David Wenn Grow also. 460 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: They wrote it together, and it's it's this basically an 461 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: attempt to reassemble I guess, early human history. And but 462 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: the thing that they're doing that that's that's really unique 463 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: is that so they they're David wen Grows as archaeologist, 464 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: David Graeber's an apologists, and they're they're going, you know, 465 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: so they spent a whole bunch of time going through 466 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: the sort of early archaeological records, and what they find, 467 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: basically is that none of the things that you see 468 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: make any sense at all unless you're willing to unless 469 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: you're willing to accept that people you know, years ago, 470 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: and then even you know, people like four hive thousand 471 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: years ago, we're as smart as we are and have 472 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: the have the capacity to recreate and redesign their own 473 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: political arrangements selfconsciously, which is something that doesn't sound that weird, 474 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: except everyone assumes that they can't, and that you know, 475 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: everyone that's you know. One of the other things that 476 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: they're they're really sort of heavily doing here is trying 477 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: to break this idea that you know, human society sort 478 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: of evolves in these this linear progression. You know, you 479 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: start out with like these small hunter gatherer bands and 480 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: they get more complex quote unquote, eventually they developed farming, 481 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: and farming developed the state. And the answer is just 482 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, when you look through the actual archaeological record, 483 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: none of this is true. You have, you know, they 484 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: have a lot of very interesting sort of historical examples 485 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: of this, looking at like what looked like incredibly democratic 486 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: and egalitarian cities, and then you know, on the outskirts 487 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: of those cities you have the emergence of the states 488 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: among things that look like states, among barbarian groups. And 489 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: they have and what I think is maybe the most 490 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: interesting part of it is that they're they're very concerned 491 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: with the question of human freedom, but freedom in a 492 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: way that like we don't but freedom on a level 493 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: fundamental enough that like we can barely imagine it. So 494 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: they have these things called the Three freedoms, which is 495 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: one of them is so that the first one is 496 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: the freedom just move to leave and to it's it's 497 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: a freedom to to you know, be in a place 498 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: and then leave and know that you will be cared 499 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: for when you get to wherever you're going, Yeah, these 500 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: kind of networks that were set up so that people 501 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: could travel that have like the descendant of those ideas 502 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: is sort of the way if you ever if you've 503 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: ever spent time in the Middle East, not in like 504 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: hotels and ship like it's that same idea that kind 505 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: of deeper than religious belief about the importance of that 506 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: has gotten added to like Islam and into a number 507 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: of other faiths in the area. Like, but this idea 508 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: that like there's nothing more sacred than taking care of 509 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: a of a guest um like and and how that 510 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: that that existed to enable kind of a sort of 511 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: cross cultural contract and contact and like recreational trap in 512 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: a way that I think it would be deeply surprising 513 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: to people who just sort of assumed everyone before a 514 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: certain age died within five miles of their house or 515 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: was you know, yeah, part of a band of wandering hunters. Yeah. 516 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: And it's it's interesting in that like, like like we 517 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: we in a lot of ways travel less than early 518 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: people did, because you know that people would just leave 519 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: and people, you know, people just didn't like their families, 520 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: and so they'd walk like five miles and they they'd 521 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: come to a place and they'd be accepted. And yeah, 522 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: and you know, and like the second one, I think 523 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: the one that I is the the one we have 524 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: the least capacity I think to understand, which is just 525 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: the ability to disobey orders. Just like anyone tells you 526 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: do something, you could just tell them know at any time. 527 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: And it's not only can you just tell them no, 528 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 1: Like the social expectation is that you is that you 529 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: don't act, is that it's it's it's it's not just 530 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: that you have the ability to do it, it's that 531 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: someone giving you an order is treated as weird. And 532 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: this is a thing that you know, like this, this 533 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 1: is the thing. This is a freedom that used to 534 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: exist and no longer does. It was sort of destroying 535 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: various ways, along with sort of the third free to 536 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: talk about, which is about how people have the right 537 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: to sort of just shift and recreate their their social 538 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: political arrangements. And yeah, and people used to do this 539 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: sort of I mean people, you know, a lot of 540 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: the what their early part of the book is about 541 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: is about how societies you there there's a lot of 542 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: societies that would you know, flip seasonally, right, so what 543 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: like one half of the year you have this just 544 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: like absolutelycatorship the either half of the year. It's like, well, 545 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: it looks like a hippie commune. And you know the 546 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: fact that we do not like the fact that like 547 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: we we we just don't like it, cannot conceive of 548 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: completely shifting our political arrangements like that is It's also 549 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: there's this fascinating discussion of like the fact that and 550 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: this is kind of counter to what I had always 551 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: kind of thought that like once as a group groups 552 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: of people when they when they made the decision to 553 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: like move to agriculture um and like set founded cities, 554 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: that it was kind of a one way street. You know, 555 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: you you you just keep going along that road. And 556 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: there's actually multiple examples of people's like this, what what 557 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: happened to the British Isles, or at least in what 558 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: is currently Great Britain. People's like developing agriculture, settling down 559 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: and then being like oh, you know what, fuck this 560 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: and like going back like that that should should happen 561 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: all the time. And and one of the things that's 562 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: really kind of optimistic about the vision of of the 563 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: sweep of human history in the dawn of everything is 564 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: the idea that like, no, we don't have to keep like, 565 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: it's not inevitable that we just keep doing more of 566 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: what we're doing now. All throughout history, large groups of 567 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: people have been like, it's time to let's do something else, 568 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: let's make a radical change, like it happens, um, And 569 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: it's probably more normal to do that than it is 570 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: to do what we've been doing. And when you I 571 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: think one of the things that kind of one of 572 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: the things that leads to the sense of inevitability of 573 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: development along the lines that we have is is the 574 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: fact that we only really have about ten thousand years 575 00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: of even vaguely reliable like data or vaguely comprehensive data 576 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: on human history. But people have been around for tens 577 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: of thousands of years longer than that, and for most 578 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: of it we've been a lot more experimental than we 579 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: are now. And it's it's always possible for people to 580 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: try different things in a way that um, maybe seems 581 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: impossible to us now but but necessarily won't for our kids. 582 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. The last thing I would tell people to 583 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: listen to if they're looking for a fictional optimistic thing 584 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: is Corey Doctors walk Away. UM, give it a read. 585 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: And if you're and if you're looking for like a 586 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: a like a beautiful like not to get your head 587 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: out of the One of the things I'm really passionate 588 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: about is plants. And I have this beautiful book called 589 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: The Planet Media and it's really helpful for caring for 590 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: your house plants. And it's just like aesthetically just so. 591 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: The photographs are beautiful and it's one of my favorite 592 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: things to give friends and family. To check that one 593 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: out as well. Another another plant book that I just 594 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: got for somebody that I really like. I think it's 595 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: called Wicked Plants. It's about all the poisons plants that 596 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: you can get, um and the ones all the like 597 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: the poison plants you can cultivate in your own garden. 598 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: And that's been a lovely read. Um, and I do 599 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: hope to set up a decent poisoned garden here in 600 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: the spring. So very excited. Yeah, me too, It's going 601 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: to be great. Well, let's get to another question. Um, 602 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: do you guys want like a fluff question or like 603 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: a real question? Uh, let's do a fluff one and 604 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: we can start the next episode with a real, real 605 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: juicy fluff daddy. All right, Okay, that's a little gift 606 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: to all of you at home. On the topic of hobbies, 607 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: so so I just Garrison likes poisonous plants. I like 608 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: non poisonous plants. Uh, what hobbies are you into that 609 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: we may not know about? Um? I guess I can 610 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: only say one thing here. Really, Well, I don't know. Yeah, 611 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: you should be really careful about how you answer this one. 612 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: I know what your hobbies are. Let's have everyone else 613 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: go first. UM. I just got into three D printing. 614 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: I'm currently trying to figure out how to get a 615 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: BS to act adhere properly. Yeah, that was the problem 616 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: I had with my printer is that it would I 617 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: would get like a decent way through the first part 618 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: of the print, and then part of it would come 619 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: curl off, so then it wouldn't print them next layer 620 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: on correctly. Then it messed up the print. And yeah, 621 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: I was between mental health stuff and that at the time. 622 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: I was stday on my printer. This is when I 623 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 1: just gave up because it was too much. So I'll 624 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: be excited to see how you get past this turtle. Well, 625 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: I've I've got a glass bed coming in, so I'm 626 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: gonna yeah, and I've I've got the enclosure. One of 627 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: the issues I'm having is just that I'm having a 628 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: heating issue with the bed. It won't heat up. It 629 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: stops before it gets to one tin, which is what 630 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: it should be able to go up that high. But 631 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: it's just, yeah, can you manually heat it up? Hotter? Um, 632 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to matter. It doesn't seem to matter 633 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: if I if I said it, like I can't obviously, 634 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,919 Speaker 1: like you can. You can set it up to heat, 635 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 1: but it just keeps I keep getting that like loud 636 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: error beep. So there's like there's this is going to 637 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 1: be it's going to be a process of jiggering to 638 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: to to figure it out. Um, but you can come out. 639 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: Yeah I have, I have. I've I have a similar 640 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: problem with my setup right now that I've been trying 641 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: to troubleshoot for like half a year. Um, I can 642 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: manually control the heat bed and it does get that hot. 643 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: But still I think it may just be a leveling issue. 644 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: I may need to like clean the bed. I also 645 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: should just talk to someone who has done more three 646 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: D printing than me. Um. But yeah, yeah, but it's 647 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: it's it's fun. I I enjoy it. It's very it's 648 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: radically different from the stuff that I like do for 649 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: a living um, which is always my favorite thing for 650 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: like a a task to engage in in order to 651 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 1: be relaxing, because it's it's not all like reading and writing. 652 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: It's very different. It's very different. So so far, I'm 653 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: enjoying it. And I already I printed the thing I 654 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: need to do to make the the bio um, the 655 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: biolab for like the four Thieves stuff. If you want 656 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: to check out our episode with Michael from the four 657 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: Thieves Vinegar Collective. I've three D printed that part, so 658 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: I'm ready to get the other parts and put that 659 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: thing together. Um, I'm just trying to figure out how 660 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: to print other stuff with better plastics and whatnot. But yeah, 661 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: it's it's fun. So far. I'm I'm enjoying it a lot. 662 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: Um Maybe I'll get bored, Maybe I'll wind up spending 663 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: way too much money on different three D printers, like 664 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: the ones that lift the goo out of the res 665 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: printers are there there's so they're much like this is 666 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: what this is what Corey Doctor was talking about, Like 667 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: like they are much better at the filament printers in 668 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, but a lot of like a 669 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff. A lot of the really useful 670 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: machines that you can make with three D prints require 671 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 1: you to use filament right now, um, but the resin 672 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: ones are like so much more elegant. They're beautiful. Um. 673 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: I also am really interested in the idea of printing wood, 674 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 1: which I did not realize until recently you could do. 675 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: But it's absolutely possible with certain kinds of printers. Um, 676 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,879 Speaker 1: And that seems pretty dope. So I don't know, we'll 677 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: see how. Maybe I'll be tired of it in a 678 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 1: month because my mental health will take a dive, But 679 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 1: so far I'm pretty excited. Cool Chris, what do I do? Uh? Well, Okay, 680 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: So before the pandemic, I was getting into rock climbing, 681 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: but unfortunately, like like I like rock climbing, I'm not like, oh, 682 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: it's like the best thing you can do for you. 683 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: It's a lot of fun. But unfortunately, I mean, it's 684 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: not like the worst pandemic thing you could possibly do, 685 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: but like it's no, Yeah, if you get up high 686 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: enough on the rocks, COVID can't get up there. It's 687 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: like the opposite of a bear. It's really bad. At climbing. Yes, 688 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: so I guess the other what do I even do? Is? Okay? 689 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 1: So my other thing okay, so so deep like deep 690 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: Twitter lure. People probably know this about me, but I 691 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: am I have been for a very very long time, 692 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,880 Speaker 1: like an inveterate fan of competitive StarCraft two. Okay, I 693 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 1: am awful at it, Like I am terrible at that game. 694 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 1: But I have watched so much StarCraft two, like I 695 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: I StarCraft two has become enough of my life that like, 696 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 1: like the game was part of my radicalization process, Like yeah, 697 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: I wake up extremely early or stay up extremely late 698 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: and watch Korean StarCraft two and non Korean StarCraft two 699 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: and yeah, it's it's a good time. It's I My 700 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: favorite thing about StarCraft in general is thinking about the 701 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: fact that Blizzard was initially trying to make a Warhammer 702 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 1: forty video game, and Games Workshop was as always to 703 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 1: parent it off their I p to let it happen, 704 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: and thus lost how many god knows how many. They 705 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: would be worth more money than most countries like that 706 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: been printing an impossible amount of money, like Indy Chambers 707 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: would have been able to buy a mountain of cocaine 708 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: to live inside, but but no, instead we got all 709 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: of the infrastructure of modern esports m hm, which it 710 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: seems fine, like it's whatever. I don't care, but it 711 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: is very funny to me that they were like, nah, 712 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 1: this doesn't seem like a good financial decision for games 713 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 1: Workshop the StarCraft thing, Like I wonder like that. That's 714 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: the kind of thing where it's like, if they made 715 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: that much money, would they all just retire? Like well, 716 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean it's a publicly traded company, like the stock 717 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: the shareholders would have made a fortune and the but yeah, 718 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: I I don't know. It's very it's very funny that 719 00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: they didn't think that was going to be worth it. 720 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: Let's see in terms of how these people may not know. 721 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: I do really like cooking. I talked cooking classes for 722 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: a long time. Um. That's been the main cook in 723 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: my family since I was a very little kid, so 724 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: I definitely definitely enjoy that. Um. I did go to 725 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: film school for a few years. I want to get 726 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: back into making short video projects. I've been writing some random, 727 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: kind of new weird genre esque stuff that I would 728 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 1: love to like rent a studio space and actually shoot 729 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: some silly things in the next year and throw them 730 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: up online just for kind of my own fun. Um. 731 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: And then I also been still doing random occultism stuff. Um, 732 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: that's kind of how I feel my time. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. 733 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: I think that's an answer. That is an answer. We 734 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: did it. That's an answer, and more importantly, that's an episode. 735 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: It is an episode. That is an answer. That is 736 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: a single content. You all got a content out of us, 737 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: and be proud of yourselves. Replicate and reproduce another content 738 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: tomorrow that's more as to your cues. So a content 739 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 1: every day except for the weekends, because that's the promiss 740 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: that we make in some holidays. It could Happen Here 741 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,760 Speaker 1: is a production of cool Zone Media. 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