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Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts bring you the Ultimate Summer of Love Tree.

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Speaker 1: This is famously Available. Welcome back to the podcast at

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Speaker 1: your host Ben Higgins, and I'm here today with our

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Speaker 1: golden famously Available gal, Kathy Swartz. Kathy, we know one

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Speaker 1: of your besties, Susan has found love and is happy

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Speaker 1: in a relationship. At least that's what we think. We're

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Speaker 1: not like checking every day, but at least that's our

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Speaker 1: last update. Are you ready to see if you can

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Speaker 1: find your person too?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is going to be rapid fire like.

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Speaker 1: We don't need any I want like first words that

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Speaker 1: come to mind. I'm just going to throw stuff out there.

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Speaker 3: I'm never shorter words.

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Speaker 1: Ben, Okay, this is about you first. I'm excited for

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Speaker 1: this one. What's your name?

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Speaker 3: Kathy Swartz, age two?

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Speaker 1: Describe your physical appearance.

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Speaker 2: Tall, slim, slash, athletic build.

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Speaker 1: I would say strong. I want you to add strong.

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Speaker 1: You're wrong, woman. Yeah. Tell us your history with the show,

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Speaker 1: The Golden Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise.

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Speaker 3: I was the Golden Bachelor. I was eliminated at org

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Speaker 3: roast ceremony with Gary. Gary's a great guy. Was not

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Speaker 3: my guy? Went on Bachelor in Paradise season ten. Had

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Speaker 3: a great time, felt like a mother and a mentor

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Speaker 3: to all the young ones, great guys, but did not

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Speaker 3: find my love there either.

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Speaker 1: Best thing about being on the show shows.

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Speaker 3: Getting to meet incredibly wonderful people and having an adventure

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Speaker 3: that so few people get.

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Speaker 2: To have in their lives.

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Speaker 1: It's the worst thing about being on the shows.

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Speaker 3: Didn't find anyone still single.

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Speaker 1: Other than your marriage. What was the most serious relationship

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Speaker 1: romantically you've had.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: He was my he was at.

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Speaker 1: Eighteen years old. I think you said I met.

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Speaker 3: Him when I was eighteen, were married eighteen months later.

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Speaker 3: I was twenty years old, had just turned twenty when

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Speaker 3: I got married.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to get married again?

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Speaker 3: It's not on my to do list, but I'm old

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Speaker 3: enough to know never say never, so it's.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe when this is like first things that come

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Speaker 1: to mind. Here three things that are requirements for your

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Speaker 1: significant other.

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Speaker 3: Kindness, a sense of adventure, and love for me and

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Speaker 3: my family.

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to switch over to some hard questions

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Speaker 1: about dating. Specifically, are you willing to be the primary breadwinner?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: Ideally? Do you want to continue working or would you

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Speaker 1: like to be fully retired and you are working, You're

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Speaker 1: doing podcasts, now you're going on these shows.

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Speaker 2: No, I love doing my podcasts.

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Speaker 3: I love so No, I would I retire, Probably not fully. No.

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Speaker 1: This is a question that comes up so many times

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Speaker 1: at my age and within my twenties, so I'm interested

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Speaker 1: to see what you would say. Would you date someone

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Speaker 1: that your family does not like?

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Speaker 2: I would date them? Yes.

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Speaker 1: Describe the physicality of your ideal man.

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Speaker 3: Ideally a little bit tall than they warm, smile, and

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Speaker 3: beautiful eyes, and it has to be fit physically fit.

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Speaker 1: We're talking early in the relationship here, like one first

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Speaker 1: second date. If you meet someone and they mentioned to

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Speaker 1: you that they're dating other people currently, would you allow that?

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Speaker 2: Would I date him if he was dating other people?

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Speaker 1: Would you continue to go on dates with him?

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Speaker 2: One or two?

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Speaker 3: But I have enough faith in myself. If I really

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Speaker 3: like that guy, I think I could. I think he

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Speaker 3: would see the light and know I'm.

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Speaker 1: In without me being able to be included in any

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Speaker 1: of these next two questions, not that I would be included,

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Speaker 1: but it's weird if I was of all the bachelor

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Speaker 1: since the beginning, Who is the most handsome in your opinion?

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Speaker 2: Dale?

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Speaker 3: Comes right at the top for me. I think he's

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Speaker 3: absolutely stunningly handsome. Gosh, that that's a tough one. I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I mean they're all, come on, they're all

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Speaker 3: good looking guys. That's that's you gotta be good looking

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Speaker 1: Okay, Dale was never a bachelor, But we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm not Dale works. Dale's a fine answer. We're just

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Speaker 1: now gonna we're gonna open up to any bachelor contestant.

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Speaker 1: That's that's fair, other than myself. Of all the bachelors,

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Speaker 1: which do you think was the greatest guy?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think I love Dotton. I think he's

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Speaker 3: a genuine guy. Sean Well, I think he's a great guy.

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Speaker 1: Don's incredible, dude, Shohn's great. Yet that's a great choice.

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Speaker 1: Dotten is like sneaky, just awesome. He's quiet, but he's

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Speaker 3: But see, that's that's an attractive quality because I've seen him.

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Speaker 1: He can let Lise, Yeah, he's so tall. How do

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Speaker 1: you feel about being set up?

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Speaker 3: I think that's how I'm gonna beat somebody organically dating

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Speaker 3: aps just I may look good on paper or not

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Speaker 3: look good on paper. But when people meet organically, I

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Speaker 3: think that's the best way. So I'm all in for

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Speaker 1: Are you open to a long distance relationship?

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Speaker 3: Yes, first to start with, but it won't it won't

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Speaker 1: Say when we get our first date set up here?

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Speaker 1: Are you going to be nervous on going to that date?

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Speaker 3: I know I should say yes, but not really. I

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Speaker 1: Which couple are you most excited about that it's still together?

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Speaker 1: From the show, Like, which couple do you just like?

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Speaker 1: Get behind you? They're wonderful together.

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Speaker 3: I just spent time with them. Spencer and Jess love

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Speaker 3: them and I just I love them.

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Speaker 1: We're not talking sex here, Kathy, But what is your

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Speaker 1: ultimate well we might we might hear, but what is

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Speaker 1: your ultimate fantasy date? Like not fantasy sweet date. I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking what happens behind that closed door. I'm talking like,

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Speaker 1: what is your ultimate fantasy date?

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Speaker 2: So again, for me, at.

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Speaker 3: My age, I don't need a trip to Paris with

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Speaker 3: you know, going up the Eiffel Tower and watching fireworks

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Speaker 3: go off. For me, the fantasy date is spending time

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Speaker 3: on the beach, a dinner, kayaking, I don't care what

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Speaker 3: he's connected with me. I really don't care what it is.

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Speaker 1: We kind of asked this question in reverse earlier, but

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Speaker 1: I'm now asking from your perspective.

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Speaker 3: Wait, I can't wait. I have to say, I'm sarry

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Speaker 3: to interrupt you. I would love to go on a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a wild helicopter ride from the show.

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Speaker 1: We were in Vegas and a lightning bolt struck right

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Speaker 1: of nowhere to let the storm pass.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. Maybe that comes up the list now.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know if i'd tell you to do that.

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Speaker 1: All right, A yacht same. I want to be on

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Speaker 1: a private plane at some point in my life. That's

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Speaker 1: just a goal.

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Speaker 2: I've done it one time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never done it, even on the show. Never went,

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Speaker 1: never been on one, but goodness, it sounds fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is. Yeah, sure, Wait can you buy me

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Speaker 3: the guy with a private plane?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's part of the criteria here. Private jet again,

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Speaker 1: we asked this question reverse earlier, but from your perspective,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about it in terms of this experience. If

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Speaker 1: we set you up on a date and it goes

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Speaker 1: with on a date with somebody different and it goes

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Speaker 1: really well, are you okay dating two people at once?

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Speaker 3: Yes, until I figure out which one I'll like more,

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Speaker 3: and then I'm going to cut the other one loose.

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Speaker 1: How quickly are you going to try to figure out

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Speaker 1: who you like more?

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Speaker 3: How quickly?

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Speaker 2: It's just a normal process. It just happens organically.

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Speaker 3: You you just feel connected to one person, or if

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Speaker 3: you kiss someone and you feel that connection. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think it's not something you plan for. It just happens,

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Speaker 3: at least that way it's been for me.

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Speaker 1: Now we are going to talk about sex, Kathy, I

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Speaker 1: get there, Ben, I know it seems to be a thing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I have to break the news. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: Oh goodness, I can't get a way for you. But

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Speaker 1: that's a I hope that's a headline. I want somebody

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Speaker 1: to pick that statement up. Is Kathy Swartz says she

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to get pregnant. That would be absolutely fantastic

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't, and I you know, I don't want nurse.

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Speaker 3: These books have done all the nursing they're doing that.

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Speaker 3: That stops close too.

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Speaker 1: But how what is the appropriate on a time until

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Speaker 1: you sleep with someone you know?

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Speaker 2: I'm again, I'm nothing if not honest.

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Speaker 3: I don't sleep with the guy on the first date,

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Speaker 3: I'm really into him.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you the better answer.

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Speaker 3: And I mean that answer is true, but the more

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Speaker 3: complete answer is I don't sleep with men unless I'm

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Speaker 1: It's not just like a one night fling.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, that is not who I am. It's you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not do you want to go to the movies

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Speaker 3: or have sex? No?

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Speaker 1: No, But that seems like a while week that has

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Speaker 1: to before? Do you want to go to the movies

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Speaker 1: or have sex? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I mean I've had men say to me, listen, I

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Speaker 3: really would like to literally, I really like to have

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Speaker 3: sex with you. How do you feel about that? And

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Speaker 3: I'll come straight in the eye and I say, are

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Speaker 3: we in a relationship yet? And they said, well, we

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Speaker 3: just started dating. I said, exactly, let me know when

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Speaker 3: we're in a relationship.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Kathy, this is gonna be fun. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: some great conversations along the way. Final question for you,

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Speaker 1: what is your goal from famously available.

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Speaker 2: Hollmark card to find the man who.

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Speaker 3: Loves me? I love him and we feel so grateful

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Speaker 3: that we found each other at this last great chapter

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Speaker 3: of our lives, this juncture where we're both looking for

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Speaker 3: our person and by some magical align of the moon

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Speaker 3: and the stars, kismet, call it whatever you want, we

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Speaker 3: find each other. That's what I'm looking for, and I

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Speaker 3: believe it can happen.

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Speaker 1: Kathy, you've mentioned this a few times.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 1: I said we're gonna close up, but you keep saying

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Speaker 1: this is the last final chapter. What it sounds like

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Speaker 1: to me is your or taking away from the idea

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Speaker 1: or opportunity that you could maybe have a really fun,

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Speaker 3: When I say the last grade chapter, the ideal for

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Speaker 3: I've had enough experience and enough wisdom, and I've learned

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Speaker 3: year later, I said, yeah, I'm done, because I'm I

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Speaker 1: We've mentioned a few times here what throws you off

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Speaker 3: I think when people first meet me sometimes I'm like

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Speaker 3: that a little bit. I think it takes a little while.

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Speaker 3: Keith said that actually on Paradise there's something happened and

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Speaker 3: I started to cry, and he said, I can't believe

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Speaker 3: you need to show that side of you more. It's

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Speaker 3: that's something I have to work on.

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Speaker 1: See, I don't see that in you. I remember we

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Speaker 1: was in an office kind of getting prepped. Walked in,

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Speaker 3: Cragging because people are so important to me. Relationships are

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Speaker 3: so important to me, and I loved what I've loved

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Speaker 3: to have met someone on Paradise, absolutely, but the relationships

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Speaker 3: It really did. And seeing the most I was overwhelmed

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Speaker 2: There's wonderful people. That is the best thing that has

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we could see that. I could see it when

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Speaker 1: This is my final question, though, Well, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think people have wondered. I haven't heard you necessarily answer it.

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Speaker 1: Even during the reunion you say things like, hey, Gary

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Speaker 1: Keith seems like the perfect fit for you. Like when

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Speaker 1: I think of your ideal man at this stage of life,

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Speaker 1: it's Keith. What didn't work there?

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Speaker 3: Well, to be fair, Keith is looking for a younger woman,

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Speaker 3: and Keith is he works full time.

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Speaker 2: He wants a woman who lives in California.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and quite frankly, our relationship just started as friends.

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Speaker 3: It's never you know, he's never said he wanted to

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Speaker 3: he's a guys guy. He's he spends a lot of

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Speaker 3: the guys, not exclusively with me. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 3: But you know a guy who is is uh when

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Speaker 3: it comes time to play golf, you know, doesn't mind

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Speaker 3: that I use my foot wedge and doesn't care that

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Speaker 3: you know, my seven iron sucks, but he wants to

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Speaker 1: Fair. Fair, that makes sense, Kathy, Thank you for the

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Speaker 1: rapid fire, thank you for giving us all the intel,

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Speaker 1: and the details will continue to get the thing. Only

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Speaker 1: this has been famously available with our Golden gal, Kathy Swartz. Kathy,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Until next time, I've been Ben