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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan in this episode number two and

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Speaker 1: sixties seven, and today on the show, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Taylor Chamberlain to discuss his incredibly unique experiences bow hunting

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Speaker 1: white tales in the urban areas surrounding Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: And the tactics that led him to be so successful

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Speaker 1: doing that. All right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Onyx, and today we're talking urban

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Speaker 1: bow hunting for white tales and joining us as Taylor Chamberlain.

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Speaker 1: And Taylor is a guy who kind of popped up

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Speaker 1: on a lot of folks radars last year when he

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Speaker 1: was featured in a short film put together by First Let.

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Speaker 1: It was called In City Limits and essentially documented how

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Speaker 1: Taylor hunts white tails in Washington, d C. And it's

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Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy. Yeah, check it out. It's a great film.

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Speaker 1: He's hunting these deer in town with an astonishing rate

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Speaker 1: of success. He's doing some really interesting things to get

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Speaker 1: it done, and he's he's just I'll let him talk

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Speaker 1: about this in more detail. But he's killing a lot

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Speaker 1: of deer every year and some really nice bucks to

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Speaker 1: and he's doing it right in people's backyard, sometimes just

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Speaker 1: within miles of the White House. Um So it's pretty

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Speaker 1: it's pretty wild stuff. Yeah, did you did you get

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Speaker 1: to see the film? Dan? I watched. I wasn't able

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Speaker 1: to watch it, um all, but it just reminded me.

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Speaker 1: I had a conversation with another guy who does a

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Speaker 1: lot of shed hunting, and I'm almost positive it was

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Speaker 1: in the suburbs and parks and surrounding areas of Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. And he was telling me that one time

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Speaker 1: he was shed hunting and he found a I think

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Speaker 1: it was either one or two skeletons like like people

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Speaker 1: like people like people, and one of them had a

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Speaker 1: bullet hole in its head. Yikes. So he got he

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Speaker 1: had and I know this is off subject, but same area, right,

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Speaker 1: So he was shed hunting. Cops came in and they

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Speaker 1: had to ask him all these questions. And the cops said,

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Speaker 1: to this guy, you're not the first shed hunter who's

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Speaker 1: found uh human remains. Can you imagine, like you know

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Speaker 1: that that burst of excitement you get like your heart

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Speaker 1: starts beating fast, your stomach kind of clenches up when

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Speaker 1: you see that white time, like, yeah, I got one

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Speaker 1: of your run over there. Can you imagine having that

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Speaker 1: excitement and then getting over there and singing as a person,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that would freak me out. Oh wow, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's uh, don't know what I would do. Oh I

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Speaker 1: hope I never have to experience that. Yeah, man. But

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Speaker 1: but it seems like there's probably some good ship hunting

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Speaker 1: in these places because they're probably not getting hunted a lot, right. Um.

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Speaker 1: I mean you always hear about different areas where they

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Speaker 1: allow urban bow hunting. Lots of times you're seeing some

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Speaker 1: incredible deer because these are relatively unpressured, they're used to

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Speaker 1: some kind of human presence. These deer can get old

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Speaker 1: and so lots of antlers, lots of lots of mature deer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a cool situation, and it seems

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Speaker 1: like it seems like it's an important thing to write.

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Speaker 1: I know, Uh, in an Arbor, Michigan used to live there.

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Speaker 1: They have had all sorts of issues, just too many

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Speaker 1: And so now they started doing such a crazy things

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Speaker 1: like sterilizing deer. Um just nuts. It's happening across the

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Speaker 1: country when there's you know, it just seems so backwards

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Speaker 1: when bow hunters can help manage this problem and instead

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Speaker 1: of the city and taxpayers have to pay for something

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Speaker 1: like a sharpshooter or sterilization, we hunters will pay for

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Speaker 1: tags go do it ourselves. Um. Absolutely. I was out

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Speaker 1: You could tell where they couldn't reach on there. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're doing the same thing out in Long Island, New

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Speaker 1: little bit, Dan, I did want to get our weekly

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Speaker 1: from last week's episode, because you said that you were

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Speaker 1: to hear how it went. It went pretty good. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I've never I made the mistake

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Speaker 1: They're not like us right where were at night? We'll

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Speaker 1: what our environment is like, if that makes sense, right.

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Speaker 1: So I love my mom to death, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said, Hey, how much snow is there on the

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Speaker 1: And it looks like there's just somewhere they you know,

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Speaker 1: they stack it up where the plows have gone. Well,

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Speaker 1: I get out to my hunting farm and there's still

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Speaker 1: say thermal cover for those who maybe don't know, are

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Speaker 1: thermal cover like thickness, right, something that's going to block

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Speaker 1: really it's not too much of a travel for them.

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Speaker 1: I think historically I have found antlers in this area before.

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Speaker 1: and so it's something I always want to walk through

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Speaker 1: a couple of times during shed season. And sure enough,

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Speaker 1: human skeleton? No? No, I didn't at that point, but

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Speaker 1: I'm glad it wasn't. It was a hammer of a

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Speaker 1: what do you what do you mean by that? How?

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Speaker 1: your arm when you're holding you to take pictures of it? Okay,

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Speaker 1: And yes it's a good shed, but it's not as

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Speaker 1: I like to be as realistic as possible. Hold it

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Speaker 1: but that particular shed Um, although it's got six points,

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Speaker 1: it's not as I mean, it's it's not huge by

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Speaker 1: any means. Really, Like I was thinking it was a

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Speaker 1: seventy plus side, isn't it not. It's not seventy's if any.

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Speaker 1: It's probably somewhere in between sixty somewhere around sixty six,

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Speaker 1: probably closer to sixty. Wow, it looks yeah, it looks

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Speaker 1: a lot bigger than I mean. Still, still, that's a

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Speaker 1: really nice antler. But and what's really cool though this

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Speaker 1: that's new heart. And this is kind of this is

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Speaker 1: kind of cool because finding this shed energized me, like

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Speaker 1: it energized me on this past year, because my first

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Speaker 1: the deer that I eventually killed this past season. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: and I'm if I mark a straight line from where

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Speaker 1: it's probably a half a mile, right so, relatively relatively

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Speaker 1: excited because I feel like maybe this buck is now killable. Interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Yeah, I appreciate I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: about seventeen minutes after So this is this must mean

427
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: that you really do appreciate a good white tailed chat

428
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: if you're willing to sacrifice a white tail backstrap. Yeah,

429
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: it's one of the few things I'll enjoy as much

430
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: as hunting. Because I'm just sitting here salivating at the

431
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 1: mouth watching these dear feet around. That's awesome. Well, I uh,

432
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm excited for this chat though, because I was up

433
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: at my family deer camp in northern Michigan this past

434
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: December with a couple mutual friends of ours. Ford from

435
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: First Light in Jordan from capture creative and we're just

436
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: kind of bs and talking about past hunts and different

437
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: people we knew and blah blah blah blah blah. And

438
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: they brought you up and said that you are an

439
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: interesting character, you are a deadly deer hunter, and here's

440
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: someone who I absolutely have to get on the podcast.

441
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: So we're making it happen today. Well, I'm I'm glad

442
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 1: I paid them all the money to say that stuff.

443
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: Funny well spent, I would say, So, yeah you got

444
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: here's your return on that investment, the deer in my backyard. Yeah,

445
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: you might be regretting it now. So so, Taylor, you

446
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: hunt in the city just outside of Washington, d C.

447
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: As I understand. I've heard that you hunt sometimes like

448
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty two hundred days a year. I've heard

449
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 1: that you hunt every season of the year. Um. I

450
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: hear that you do some some interesting wild things that

451
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: most deer hunters don't do. I've heard there's a whole

452
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff we gotta cover. But before all those things,

453
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: I want to know about one very important issue or question.

454
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: And this kind of can of mind me because just

455
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: before I got you on, I was in a conversation

456
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: with my co host Dan about another urban deer hunter,

457
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: uh that he that he talked to and he had

458
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: discovered a weird thing in the woods. And so I

459
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: got to know from you, Taylor, what is the strangest, weirdest,

460
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: most shocking thing you've ever seen from a suburban tree.

461
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: Because I gotta believe, when you're sitting in people's backyards,

462
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: you see some weird ship the top bizarre stuff. Um,

463
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: all of them involve other humans for the most point,

464
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: So people don't know that that you're there. I think

465
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: humans are the only critters that don't look up so

466
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: uh and and rightfully so, I mean, we don't expect

467
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: another person to be in in the bourbs. So um. Yeah,

468
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: I have a handful of them all around people. So um.

469
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: You know, one morning, while hunting, I heard what sounded

470
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: like a deer running towards me, and I turned around

471
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: to see one of the gardeners running from one of

472
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: the other properties holding his butt um making quite the

473
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: green apple two step and uh. He ended up about

474
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: twenty ft away from my tree, pulling his pants down,

475
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: and I was yelling at him like no, no, no,

476
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: no no, and uh, I was not able to stop

477
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: him from from relieving his uh seven eleven takeitos from

478
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: that morning. That was pretty gnarly. Um I had you know,

479
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: we can get into kind of where I hunt and

480
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: why I hunt there, but um, I had had a

481
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: tree that was like perfect. And one Saturday morning, I

482
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: go into this floodplain area and climb up the tree

483
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: and you know, it's pitch black, and as the sun

484
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: comes up, I'm hearing this weird kind of like wheezing sound.

485
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: And once the gray light came up, there was a

486
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: high school uh frat boy looking football player guy and

487
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: his letter jacket passed out and about thirty natty light

488
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: cans around him. Uh So it was pretty obvious that

489
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: the high school kids had been in there drinking the

490
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: night before, and um, and he was just songed out.

491
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: And I end up shooting a deer that morning. Um

492
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: that that kind of woke him up. And that was

493
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: a really fun, exciting hunt. That's amazing. I was actually

494
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: gonna get out of the tree. I was just fuming

495
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: and texting some buddy's about you know, Brad the jock

496
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: football stud snoozing about forty yards from me, and I

497
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: looked her to my left and here came some doze

498
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: and the does had stopped looking at him, kind of

499
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what was going on, And it

500
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: gave me all the time in the world to grab

501
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: my bow and uh put a good shot on the

502
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: lead dough. So that was pretty cool. But yeah, outside

503
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: of that, I mean, you know, just seeing people are,

504
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: seeing how the animals are, kind of how they're interacting

505
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: with their surroundings, being super close to people, and how

506
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: attentive they are. Two you know, where that human interaction

507
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: is coming from and not letting it bother them is

508
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: It's probably the coolest thing you get to see from

509
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: the tree, almost on a daily basis. Um. But definitely

510
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: seeing people kind of doing whatever um is also pretty fun.

511
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: The last kind of thing that comes to mind you

512
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: talk about weird experiences in the tree. I had this

513
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: huge property I was hunting on. Huge for me. It's

514
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: like eighty acres, which is really big. And so sitting

515
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: there and I see some movement kind of coming down

516
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: the horizon, throw my binoculars up and I see two

517
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: like hippie looking dudes kind of dancing through the woods.

518
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: They're clearly just tripping daisies, man, and they're wearing these

519
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: grateful dead, tight eyed shirts and they got their arms out,

520
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 1: kind of like dancing through the woods. And when they

521
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: got to about thirty yards from me, I said hey,

522
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: and one of the guys just hit the ground like

523
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: I yelled incoming mortar fire, you know, and the other

524
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: guy just squats down with his arms out. He's looking around.

525
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: He's in like a full defensive posture zone. And I'm like,

526
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, hey, get out of here. And you know,

527
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: they thought the trees were talking to him. And one

528
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: guy took off running and the other guys just holding

529
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: his head screaming. So I think we're having a pretty

530
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: bad trip from what it looked like. But yeah, I

531
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: mean just seeing people is always interesting when you're elevated

532
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: off the ground. Wow. I don't even know if we

533
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: need to talk about deer anymore. We could just talk

534
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: through the rest of your your human observations, talking about

535
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: hippies and high school kids trying to hook up and

536
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: everything in between. Yeah, exactly, man, Yeah, that is that

537
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: is some golden content right there. I filmed all my

538
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: hunts now and at the time, um, I wasn't filming,

539
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: and I wish I was, because all that stuff. I mean,

540
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: you imagine if I had had the you know, frat

541
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: boy Chad passed out on the ground when when I

542
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: was able to shoot that down. I mean, that would

543
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: just be like the best content ever. Or you know,

544
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: there's two hippies dancing through the woods. I don't think

545
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: I could get the landscaper guy, you know, almost taking

546
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: a thumbper his pants. Probably wouldn't go over well on YouTube,

547
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: but everything else would be killer content. Now that's that's

548
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: a viral gold right there. Man. Yeah, So, so you

549
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: you actually alluded to my next question right at the top,

550
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: which was, then, how did you end up hunting like this? Why?

551
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: Why is it that you're hunting in people's backyards? Why

552
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: is it that you're sitting in a tree next to

553
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: a passed out dude underneath the deck? How did this

554
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: all thin? How does this all begin for you? Taylor?

555
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: It's strictly out of necessity? Man. So, um, you know,

556
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: I I didn't grow up in a hunting family. I

557
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: went to school out on the Virginia West Virginia border,

558
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: and when I was at college, I fell in love

559
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: with deer hunting. I'd always kind of wanted to be

560
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: outside and My grandfather was was big into bow hunting

561
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: growing up. Um, but he was a smoker, and so

562
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: by the time I was like twelve or thirteen, he

563
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: was in nowhere close to good enough health health wise

564
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: shape to be able to be out in the woods.

565
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: So um, he taught me how to shoot a bow

566
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: in his backyard. But me, being the dummy that I am,

567
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: I didn't put two and two together with me liking

568
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: to be outside and me liking to shoot a bow

569
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: and being like, hey, I could hunt critters with this thing.

570
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: So um. You know, when I got to school, I

571
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: just had this drive to want to learn how to hunt,

572
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: and um, I just basically started teaching myself how to

573
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: hunt through trial and error, which was a lot of

574
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: error and not a lot of success. Um. And by

575
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: the time I graduated from college and moved back home,

576
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: which is here in northern Virginia, right outside of d C.

577
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't have any options for hunting. So

578
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: there was a military installation that I started hunting. I

579
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: had a has still has a great hunting program and

580
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: it was about fifteen minutes from my house, and so

581
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: that was great. I was out there all the time,

582
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: and um, I moved away from that area that that's

583
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: some kind of southern uh, northern Virginia, South Arlington, and

584
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: I moved up to North Arlington, which made that about

585
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: a forty five minute drive, but in traffic times here

586
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: outside of d C, that little bit of a move

587
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: made that drive sometimes like an hour and a half

588
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: or two hours, and that was just too much too

589
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: to try and do on a hunting you know, daily

590
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: basis while still going to work. So, um, I just

591
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: had to figure out a different way to hunt. And

592
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: I kept driving to these you know, public land type

593
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: areas and seeing deer in people's yards, and um, you know,

594
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: one thing led to another with a buddy that I had,

595
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: and he recommended urban hunting. Um, and so I got

596
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: kind of used my grandmother's influences through her Bridge Club

597
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: and got a couple of really nice old ladies that

598
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: let me hunt on their property and started whacking a

599
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: lot of deer. And then I realized, you know, this

600
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: is awesome. I can go uh five minutes from my

601
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: house and hunt any day I want to. And you know,

602
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: our our seasons here run year round, so it allows

603
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: me to hunt year round. And we have a huge

604
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: overabundance of white tailed deer. Um. So it really kind

605
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: of works. You know, I'm able to do what I

606
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: want to do, what I'm super passionate about, which is

607
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: killing deer with a bow, and I'm able to help

608
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: reduce the deer population and help all these little old

609
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: ladies which happened to me, my mother's buddies, and now

610
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of other people. UM help them, you know,

611
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: try and reduce the dear herd to where they can

612
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: have plants again at their house. So wow, it's a

613
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: win win um. Yeah. So so I gotta imagine you

614
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: if you're hunting on hundreds of different people's properties. Now

615
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: you've asked a lot of people permission. You've kind of

616
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: fine tuned a system. I'm sure, But what about that,

617
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: like first time and the first couple of times, do

618
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: you remember after you got through the bridge club connections

619
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: and then you had to start asking a random person

620
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: for hunting permission? Was that tough? Do you remember what

621
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: that was like for you? It's terrifying. I mean, I

622
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: think about it like the first girl you walked up

623
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: to at a bar. It's it's like that without alcohol. Okay, yeah,

624
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm terrified, which is not a good combination because that

625
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: the whole reason you're at the bar in the first

626
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: place is for the alcohol to help calm your nerves. Yeah, exactly, So, Yeah,

627
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's a it's a terrifying thing because if

628
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: you think about, you know, when you're out in the

629
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: middle of Iowa or any type of place where hunting

630
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 1: is a tradition, people get it there. They've been asked

631
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 1: the question before, they probably have people hunting there. They

632
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: understand why you're knocking on their door. Most of the

633
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: people that I'm talking to, I'm the first hunter they've

634
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: ever met. And I quite often get people that look

635
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: at me like I have a third eyeball or horns

636
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: growing out of my head, and they're like, you want

637
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: to do what here? You know, why would you want

638
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: to do that? Um? And so that kind of works

639
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: out in my favor sometimes and also works against me um,

640
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: just because a lot of these people that I'm talking

641
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: to you haven't been exposed to hunting. I do get

642
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: a lot of homeowners that are adamantly opposed to hunting.

643
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: They love the deer, they love seeing the deer. Some

644
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: of them feed the deer um that is always tough

645
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: to deal with. But on the opposite side of that,

646
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, I have people that understand that they shouldn't

647
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: be seeing the number of deer that they do. They

648
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: see how emaciated the dr are, and they know they

649
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: need to be reduced. And those are people that you know,

650
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: are all for it. So for the most part, when

651
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: I knock on the door, I either get the door

652
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: slammed in my face and I get yelled at, or

653
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: I get guys that shrug their shoulder and they're like, yeah, whatever,

654
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: and some of them are all for it, and everyone

655
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: in between. So so, so what do you do or

656
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: how do you answer that question when you when you

657
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: get a landowner who says, why in the world would

658
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: you do this? You know, have you ever had like

659
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: a of uh, someone who really wants to get in

660
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: like the philosophy have it? Like why do you hunt?

661
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Have you ever had to answer that question to a

662
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: landowner who was genuinely curious? And if so, what do

663
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: you say? Yeah? I have, And and even more so,

664
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: I've had landowners that, once I've talked to them about

665
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: why I'm doing what I'm doing and how I go

666
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: about what I'm doing, I want to learn how to hunt.

667
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: I'm I'm now on the third homeowner that has I've

668
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: kind of gone through a similar progression with where I'm

669
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: teaching them how to hunt, which is pretty cool. Um,

670
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: So you know, kind of a high level overview, the

671
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: carrying capacity of our area here of northern Virginia is

672
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: in the twelve to fourteen maybe fifteen deer per square mile,

673
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: depending on who you ask. In certain pockets, they can't

674
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: even get an estimate because the deer are so overpopulated.

675
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: When you look at them with the thermal imaging, it

676
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: just looked like you kicked the ant hill over. Um,

677
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: they're their best guests. It's in the four d and

678
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: thirty four hundred and fifty deer per square mile. So

679
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: like if you walk into the parks or any type

680
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: of larger uncle land around here and you get down

681
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: to about three and a half four ft that that

682
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: deer brows line, you can see as far as your

683
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: eye as as the topo will let you see. Because

684
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the deer have eaten everything, and I mean it's gotten

685
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: to the point where, um, where the age of our forests,

686
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, as the deer destroy that underlying brows, all

687
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: the animals that rely on that underlying browse to survive

688
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: and thrive and you know, live off of there, they

689
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: get wiped out. Um and along with that go all

690
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: the new tree shoots and the younger sapling trees. So

691
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: the age of our forests have gotten to the point

692
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: around here where, um, you know, they're they're really worried

693
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: about how the forest is going to survive. I mean

694
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: the deer have literally wiped it out. Jeez. Yeah, that's incredible.

695
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: That's I can't imagine deer deer populations like that. I

696
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of deer eye hunt it's insane. Uh.

697
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: And and you know with that also comes we get

698
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: a lot of cases of limes disease. And I mean,

699
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: I would be willing to bet at least in my experience,

700
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: every homeowner that I've talked to either has somebody in

701
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: their house that has been affected by limes disease or

702
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: one person removed from them they know who has had

703
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: limes disease. So it's not like the six degrees of

704
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: separation type thing that either they've had it or their

705
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: kid has had it, or they're like, oh, the neighbor

706
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: they had it. I mean they understand that the deer

707
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: are contributing to that and you know, really want them gone. Yeah,

708
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: well that will definitely uh incentivize people to see the

709
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: deer herd trimmed down a little bit. When that kind

710
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: of thing is knocking on the door, definitely changes their

711
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: perspective on when you whacking them with a with an arrow.

712
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: And then you know, I have a lot of procedures

713
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: that I take into account when I'm hunting deer. You know,

714
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: I really try to be out of sight, out of mind,

715
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: and I carry insurance, um, you know, liability insurance for

716
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: myself for anything that happens. And then I very rarely,

717
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: if ever take a shot over twenty yards. I limit

718
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: myself to a twenty yard shot, and I'd be willing

719
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: to guess about nine percent of the deer that I've

720
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: harvested or in that twelve to fourteen yard range, um.

721
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is I can't take the

722
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: risk of having a deer leave that property or be wounded.

723
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean the difference in a deer running forty yards

724
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: and piling up from a perfect double long hit and

725
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: a deer running a hundred yards and crashing into the

726
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: attorney's pool three doors down. Um is a big, big difference.

727
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: Have you had a awkward recovery of that kind yet

728
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: anything like that? Oh yeah, I've had a multitude of

729
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: of interesting recoveries. UM. Probably the most notable one was

730
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: I had a dear cross a property line and end

731
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: up about three doors down, so across the creek. Died

732
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: three doors down. So I go on my you know,

733
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: on X map, pull up whose house it is? And

734
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: around here it's pretty common for the homeowner's name just

735
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: say withheld by request. UM, just kind of the nature

736
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: of where I'm living and who these A lot of

737
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: people are that live in these houses, right. Uh? So

738
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: I go around. You know, it was only about three

739
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: yards as as a deer would run, but for me

740
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: it's like a three mile drive to go around this

741
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: creek bottom over to the house. I get over there

742
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: and they're about forty Secret Service agents out front, and

743
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, And so I keep checking the map.

744
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no way this is the right house.

745
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: There's no way this is the right house. And I'm like, ship,

746
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: this is totally where the deer is. And so I

747
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: had to go up explain my situation to the first

748
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: secret service station to roll his window down, who was

749
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: not stoked at all at my presence. And you know,

750
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: still I have to get home owner landowner permission. So

751
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: eventually the lovely uh Supreme Court Justice and his wife

752
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: gave me permission to recover the deer. And the justice

753
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: was a great guy, strong supporter of hunting, but told

754
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: me I couldn't he couldn't give me permission to hunt

755
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: there because it wouldn't look like look right politically. But

756
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: he was all for what I was doing, which was

757
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: pretty cool. So yeah, but it could have been a nightmare. So,

758
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I deal with a lot of

759
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: high profile people, a lot of um, you know, very

760
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: powerful attorneys and the like, and it's just better to

761
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: be out of sight, out of mind and not have

762
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: to knock on their door than than the opposite of that.

763
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: So yeah. So so before we get too much into

764
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: the actual hunting, you mentioned the insurance you carry for

765
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: someone who's going to try urban deer hunting. Um, can

766
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 1: you can you explain it's a little bit more about

767
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: what what exactly you're talking about there, how you go

768
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: about doing that, why that's something that an urban deer

769
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: hunter might want to what might have Yeah, So I

770
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: mean in the same vein of the clientele the people

771
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: that I'm hunting on properties with. UM, a lot of

772
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: them want to understand that they don't have any liability

773
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: towards my actions or anything that might come of from

774
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: my actions. UM. Let's say, worst case scenario, you shoot

775
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: a deer and it runs out into the neighbors house

776
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: and smashes into their parked car. Right, Well, I'm responsible

777
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: for that because I created that for happening. So UM,

778
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: most states, Virginia is one of them. You know, the

779
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: landowner has no liability for the hunter's actions. It's just

780
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: that's already in place. UM. I also hunt on some

781
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: homeowners associations property so communal property. A lot of those

782
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: homeowners associations require me to carry insurance or or really

783
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: their insurance provider for for the h o A piece

784
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: will require me to have insurance, So I have insurance.

785
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: The q d m A and n r A are

786
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: both phenomenal resources for sportsmen, and I believe the India

787
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: does as well. UM. Actually, Mark, you might know more

788
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: about that than me, but um, you're able to get

789
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: insurance through all those organizations. The q d M A

790
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: is is where I have mine through excellent. That's uh,

791
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: that's something I actually haven't personally had to look into

792
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: myself before. So that's that's what you're You're lucky. Yeah,

793
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: I mean the you know, and that's great that we

794
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: have as hunters these resources like the q dum a

795
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: um you know, a t A, the you know, all

796
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: these big um you know entities that are willing to

797
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: help the common guy. Because if I just had to

798
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: go around to you know, all state and try and

799
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: get insurance, I'm sure I'd get looked at again like

800
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: I have a third eye and have to pay out

801
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: of the butt. And this is stuff that, up to

802
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: certain limits, is covered with your membership. So you know,

803
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: not that we need any other reasons to join these

804
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: big groups, but that's definitely a certain plus that you

805
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: get by being a member. Yeah, that's fantastic and a

806
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: really a really good point that that I wouldn't have

807
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: thought of. Um. So you kind of outlined a bunch

808
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: of things here about the types of hunting that you

809
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: do that make it a little bit uh scary. Maybe

810
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: it's like, oh man, I gotta worry about my dear

811
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: running into some guys pool I gotta worry about, you know,

812
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: high profile landowners or maybe just any landowner who might

813
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: get mad about what I'm doing. I have to worry

814
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: about knocking on doors and dealing with that uncomfortable situation.

815
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: I have to worry about making sure I've got really

816
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: close shot opportunities. I need to worry about being out

817
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: of sight, out of mind. All these things make it

818
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: sound challenging to me. Can you now pitch me on

819
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: why I should want to go and hunt in an

820
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: urban area or why someone who's considering this type of

821
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: hunt actually would would enjoy it? What's the what's the

822
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: plus of all this? Well, it's pretty simple. You get

823
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: to hunt year round, you have pretty much open bag

824
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: limits and a target rich environment, uh to to be

825
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: able to help go reduce the deer herding. And on

826
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: top of all that, I'm able to donate all of

827
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: the meat that I get from harvest to the Hunters

828
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: for the Hungry program, which here in Virginia. UM, you know,

829
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: all that meat is going to food shelters, food banks

830
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: and home of shelters. So it's really kind of a

831
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: win win to be able to use an overabundant resource

832
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: that we have to help feed people in need in

833
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: in a way by thinning them out. So I mean,

834
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: if you're looking for the elevator pitch on wide to

835
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: urban hunt, I would ask you, do you want to

836
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: hunt your around? And do you want to kill over

837
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: a hundred your year. I'm sure you'd be like, yeah,

838
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: it's all right here you go right, Yeah, that that's wild.

839
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: That that was kind. I just can't even like wrap

840
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: my head around those two things right there. So can

841
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: you can you help us understand? Because I'm sure there's

842
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: some people listening there, like how in the world there

843
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: is there a bag limit like that? And how in

844
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: the world can you hunt you around? Can you just elaborate? Yeah,

845
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: so we'll Hunting you around is much less enjoyable than

846
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: it sounds like to some degree, because I mean I

847
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: remember when I when I first um was talking with

848
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: the guys at first light. I'm like, you know, I

849
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: hunt when it's a hundred and ten degrees out, and

850
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: I hunt when it's negative out with a windshell and

851
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: every day in between. So I mean, as far as

852
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: you know putting gear to the test, there's it's pretty

853
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: pretty easy to do that here. So I mean, how

854
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: do you hunt your round. Well, I mean you just

855
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: kind of suck it up and do it there. Uh.

856
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: In the different seasons, you really need to kind of

857
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: think about what the deer doing that time of year

858
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: and and kind of use tactics related to that time

859
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: of year that time of the season. Um, how how

860
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: are their open bag limits? Well, it's because of that

861
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: four fifty deer for square mile type population that we

862
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: have here where I mean, the Department of Game is

863
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: trying to do everything possible to help reduce the deer

864
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: and there's just so much damage done by the deer.

865
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: So um. And just to kind of clarify, you know,

866
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: the Department of Game doesn't have just an open season.

867
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: It's not like, hey, the deer problem kilmall. You know,

868
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do anything about it. Uh. So we

869
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 1: have different kind of seasons within this season. So most

870
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: of our hunting is analysts only. Um. The traditional quote

871
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: unquote season comes in the first weekend in September for

872
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: for antler lists only deer, and then the first weekend

873
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: in October you can start harvesting antlers or antler list Dear.

874
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: This is all for the urban hunting. Um, it's different.

875
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: You know when you can harvest each in the different

876
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of counties of Virginia, but just for the urban areas.

877
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: To simplify things, you can shoot antlerd or antler list

878
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: dear from the first weekend in October all the way

879
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: through the end of December. Then it goes back to

880
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: antler lists only deer from January through. They changed it

881
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: on me this year. I think it's the end of May.

882
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: Then when May comes around, each homeowner is able to

883
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: request what's called a kill permit, which is basically a

884
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: crop damage permit where the state will come out and

885
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: verify that the deer have destroyed their landscaping or destroyed

886
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: the the forests. Then you're able to hunt on that

887
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: what's called a kill permit from you know, let's call

888
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: it April one through uh through that first opening weekend

889
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: in September again, so you know, you really have to

890
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of have your your p's and ques dotted or

891
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: understand what season it's in for that urban hunting. But

892
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: I mean the opportunities that affords you is really pretty cool.

893
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact that that you can hunt on

894
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: all these properties. You really don't have a ton of competition.

895
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: Although the words getting out Um, you know, I get

896
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: a little more competition here than I used to, you know,

897
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: five years ago, six years ago. But you know, you

898
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: can hunt year round and have an unlimited number of

899
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: anilists year that you can harvest. I mean, my wife

900
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: and I basically live off venison um and other stuff

901
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: that that I kill. So UM, I mean that that's

902
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: pretty cool to be able to have the self sustained

903
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: organic diet and be able to so helped feed a

904
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: lot of other people while you're doing it. Um, you

905
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: know it makes you feel good. Yeah. Yeah, like you said,

906
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: that's a good way to fill the freezer, no doubt

907
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: about it. Um. I have a couple of them, yeah, freezers.

908
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: But that kind of that kind of schedule throughout the year,

909
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 1: I gotta imagine. Um, so that kind of I got. Well,

910
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: I guess what am I trying to say here? Number one?

911
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is I do not know

912
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: about all the other cities across the country, um, as

913
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: far as they're kinds of seasons. But but I have

914
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: heard of a number of different urban areas that do

915
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: have these unique urban deer hunting seasons or bag limits.

916
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: So if you live somewhere near up their city or

917
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: some major metro area. Definitely do some digging into it,

918
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: because there might be some unique opportunities, just like you

919
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: know what you mentioned their tailor, UM to get in

920
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: and hunt longer periods of the year. There's a lot

921
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: of urban seasons that start earlier in the season maybe

922
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: UM or I think you know in spots like Iowa

923
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: you can get an extra buck tag. I think I

924
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: remember hearing that right UM to hunt some of these

925
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 1: special urban bo zones. So UM, you know, it definitely

926
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: opens up these new windows of opportunity. Even if you

927
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: still have some other places you hunt and you don't

928
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: want to hunt just urban deer hunting, this might be

929
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: a way just to add to your season, expand your season. UM.

930
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: So I think it's I think it's helpful to know

931
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: that and that that first step in the process tailor

932
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: for someone new um you've started with bridge, but for

933
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: other people when they're beginning, UM to look for properties

934
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: to hunt and then asking permission to hunt in those places. UM.

935
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: Can you walk as through your process for doing that,

936
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: because now after doing it what sounds like hundreds of times,

937
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've got quite the system in place. What

938
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: is that. Yeah, so I kind of a twofold system. Um.

939
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: Any time that I have someone who gives me permission

940
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: to hunt on their property, I'm trying to maximize that

941
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: relationship as much as possible. So I want to do

942
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: the best job I possibly can for that person to

943
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: help reduce the dear herd be professional and not causing

944
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: any problems for them. Once I've done a decent job

945
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: doing that starting off, what I'm then gonna do is

946
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: just remind them like, hey, you know, if you ever

947
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: talk to anybody that that wants some deer services or

948
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: is complaining about the deer, please feel free to pass

949
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: my contact information along. So you're kind of working by

950
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: referral in some regard. Um. So that has served me

951
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: great over the years. It's kind of funny because normally,

952
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: as a hunter, you're so used to like, oh man,

953
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: I hope I can go knock on that door and

954
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 1: ask for permission. I mean, I've gotten to the point

955
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: now where I get, you know, one or two phone

956
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: calls a week from someone that had, you know, talked

957
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: to their buddy at the grocery store or talk to

958
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: their buddy somewhere, and they're asking me, can you please

959
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: come shoot the deer of my property. I'm seeing fifteen

960
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: twenty of them my dad, you know. And and it's

961
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: kind of really interesting to switch it on its head

962
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: and be the guy that everyone's calling for the deer removal.

963
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I probably have more properties now then I

964
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: could possibly hunt in a year. Uh And and I

965
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: just spend most of my time kind of chasing my

966
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: tail around trying to help these people out. And you know,

967
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: the downside to that is when you get to kind

968
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: of the number of properties that I have, you know,

969
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I have a buddy that could come

970
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: help you out, and most of them like, well, I

971
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: don't want your buddy to hunt here. I want you

972
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: to hunt here because you're the one that that you know,

973
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: Mrs Smith told us all these great things about and

974
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: how you helped her do this and that, and so

975
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of a hurdle to get over. Um, if

976
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: you're starting completely from scratch and you don't have the

977
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: first person to start asking for a referral basis from

978
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, what I do is I look at an

979
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: aerial map and I guess what I did. Um. I

980
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: still do this to some degree when I go out

981
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: and just cold knock on doors. I mean, first of all,

982
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: be prepared to have somebody tell you no. That's fine.

983
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean you know the answer is always going to

984
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: be no unless you ask, So you might as well ask,

985
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: and then then you at least know what the answer is. Um.

986
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: So kind of get that fear of rejection out of

987
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: the way early. And you know where I'm hunting in

988
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: these metropolitan areas or suburban areas. Any area that could

989
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: have been developed most likely has, so you're not going

990
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: to end up with these giant chunk September. Like, you

991
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: might have a property that somebody owns fifteen acres, but

992
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: for the most part, you know that parcel has been

993
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: divided out, are subdivided into the maximum density it can be,

994
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: so all the subdivisions are there, right. So what isn't

995
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: developed are your floodplains or areas that you can't build

996
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,720
Speaker 1: in creek beds, things like that. Well those turn into

997
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: these dear super highways. So if you look on an

998
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: aerial map and you look at all the green space

999
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: between the houses, well that's like a mega highway for

1000
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: white tail. So that's the first place that I start

1001
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: is all all identify those properties, and I'll go knock

1002
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: on doors. Eventually, through persistence, uh you, you will get

1003
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: somebody that says yes. Once they say yes, I asked them,

1004
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, how well do you know your neighbors, because

1005
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: there's a big difference in your neighbor of five twenty

1006
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: years coming over and saying, hey, I'm gonna let this

1007
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: guy Taylor hunt here. Then there is when you knock

1008
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: on the door and somebody's like, what does this CEO

1009
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: head want? You know? Um? And the other thing is

1010
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: when you are knocking on the doors. I try to

1011
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: look presentable, so think of it as kind of office casual.

1012
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm not showing up looking like I'm selling vacuum cleaners.

1013
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm not looking up like looking like I'm selling bibles.

1014
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: I just want to look like, you know, the dude

1015
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: next door who is clean and presentable. And I always

1016
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: make a point to point out that I live in

1017
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: the area, so that seems to put people at ease

1018
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: right away. Another thing that I really like to do

1019
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: is I'm a really tall guy. I'm I'm like six

1020
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: two six three, and I'm a big dude. So I

1021
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: think that I'm really intimidating to people when they open

1022
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: their door. So what I'll do is I'll ring the

1023
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: doorbell and I'll step completely off their front porch so

1024
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: that they're you know, looking down on me as opposed

1025
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: to looking up at me, which I think is just

1026
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: kind of a psychological thing. But every little bit helps

1027
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: when you're asking to do something that to these people

1028
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 1: is super taboo, which you shoot deer with a bow

1029
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,479
Speaker 1: in their backyard. Um, you know. But for the most part,

1030
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: people are there. They're receptive to it. They've seen a

1031
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: lot of the deer. They know that they're a giant problem.

1032
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: They understand that the thirty worth of landscaping they planted

1033
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: is now just dirt, and uh, they want them all gone.

1034
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: So so what I want to know next is what

1035
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: you're like, what your first words are your elevator pitch

1036
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: at the door, Because I when I knock on the door,

1037
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: I do the same thing you just mentioned. I kind

1038
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: of step back and give the people some space. I

1039
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: try to be presentable, and then I kind of get

1040
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: right into it, you know. I introduced myself, I mentioned

1041
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: if I'm in the area from the area, and then

1042
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: I kind of just say, hey, curious if X, y

1043
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: Z or whatever. I get right into it. But Dan,

1044
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: you know co host Dan, he likes to go the

1045
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: opposite way. He likes to just like bs, like, talk

1046
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: about random stuff for a while and then kind of

1047
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: mosey his way to what he wants to do. I

1048
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: remember the two of us had this conversation years ago,

1049
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking, what a strangely different way we

1050
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: go about it. What's your tact? How do you approach

1051
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,439
Speaker 1: those first moments after the person opens the door? Yeah,

1052
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: I try to be um as charming as possible without

1053
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: seeming like a total scumbag, because I think that can

1054
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: kind of you quickly flip around into not being a

1055
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: positive thing. So I'll I ring the doorbell, I'll back off,

1056
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: and then as soon as I I see them, I

1057
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: smile and I introduced myself, so I'll make eye contact.

1058
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: I introduced myself. I say, hey, my name's Taylor Chamberlain.

1059
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm not selling anything, because around here we get a

1060
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: lot of door to door salesman and so I think

1061
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: most people's first reaction is like, great, what is this

1062
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: guy doing? What does he want? Why is he interrupting me?

1063
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: You know? So, Hey, how you doing it? I'm Taylor,

1064
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: I live right down the street, or I live I

1065
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: live around here. I'm I'm your neighbor. We're in the

1066
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: same community, right, is what I'm trying to express to

1067
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: them to kind of help get them at ease. And

1068
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,959
Speaker 1: then I'll just ask him, how do you feel about

1069
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: the deer? Do you notice a lot of deer? And

1070
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: you can tell within fifteen seconds of the answer to

1071
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: that question how it's gonna go. If they go like, oh,

1072
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: we love the dear my wife named them all. You know,

1073
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: we feed him every night, I'm like, great, thanks, just

1074
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: checking in. You know, that's the end of it. I

1075
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: know you're not gonna let me shoot your pet deer.

1076
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: But the neighbor might be like, oh my god, they

1077
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: feed the deer. These people are crazy, please come shoot them, right,

1078
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: And so obviously that would be a scenario I probably

1079
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't get myself into. But um, you know I find

1080
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: that being personable, pretty straightforward and honest and asking that

1081
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: question of how do you feel about the deer to

1082
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: let them kind of start talking um really helps and

1083
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: it puts them at ease, and that that's the number

1084
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: one thing you want. I think when you're opening up

1085
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: that dialogue with somebody is like you know, I'm not

1086
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: trying to sell you vacuum cleaners. I'm just popping in.

1087
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: I lived down the street. I'm a local, local guy,

1088
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm trying to do a service for

1089
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: our community. And when it's phrase like that, I mean

1090
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: a lot of the people that I deal with who

1091
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: have never talked to a hunter before, they don't know

1092
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: anything about hunting. They'll be on the fence about it

1093
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: while I'm kind of giving them the elevator pitch. And

1094
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: when they find out that, you know, I've done this

1095
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: on on hundreds and hundreds of properties and that a

1096
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: lot of the food is going to feed the homeless,

1097
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: that's when they're like, all right, yeah, that's cool. And

1098
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: it's amazing to watch that kind of change their mind,

1099
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: when it's like, Okay, this guy is not some bloodthirsty dude.

1100
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: He's actually just trying to help out and he's not

1101
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: even keeping all the meat. Um. That tends to really

1102
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: kind of persuade people, which has always been interesting to me. Yeah,

1103
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: that is, that is an interesting shift. I'm sure to

1104
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: see happen. Um, what what happens when you get that

1105
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: permission they say yep, let's go go ahead and hunt. Um,

1106
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: when I get permission on a new piece of property,

1107
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: let's say in Iowa or Michigan or Ohio, you know,

1108
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: as soon as I can, I'm gonna be out on

1109
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: that property, walking all over the place on it, whether

1110
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: that be shed hunting or scouting in the summer, hanging

1111
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: trail cameras, checking for scrapes and rubs and trails. I mean,

1112
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm covering every square inch of that property that I

1113
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: possibly can, hopefully multiple times. I am guessing that you

1114
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 1: maybe don't do that or can do that, because I'm

1115
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: thinking about that out of sight, out of mind thing

1116
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: that you talked about, and the fact that if you're

1117
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: walking all over the place in the middle of the day,

1118
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: people might start to ask questions, Um, is that something

1119
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: you have to do? Is that something you think about?

1120
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: Or do you do you scout it the way I

1121
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: would scout it? Or what do you do? So what

1122
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: I what I would do is, let's say I ring

1123
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: the doorbell on Mr. And Mrs Smith's house. We just

1124
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: go through the process that you and I discussed. Now

1125
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: I have permission, I said, great, can you show me

1126
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 1: where you want me to park? Right? Because first step,

1127
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to piss off the homeowner because I

1128
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: don't want to lose the permission that I just got.

1129
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: Then my next question is do you want me to

1130
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: contact you before I'm coming out here to hunt? You know,

1131
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: how how am I going to tread lightly to where

1132
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm not offending this person? I'm doing them as service. Um,

1133
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: So I figure out where you want me to are.

1134
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: How do you want me to you know, shoot your texts,

1135
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: give an email. How are we going to communicate between us?

1136
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: And then I say, do you mind showing me your

1137
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: property boundaries and showing me where you see the deer

1138
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: most often? And what a lot of people will do

1139
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: is they're like, yeah, sure, you know, let me throw

1140
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: my jacket on and we'll go walk around the backyard

1141
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: and they'll show me where they think their property line is,

1142
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: which is amazing to me. How many property owners don't

1143
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: know where their property line is, which is why you

1144
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: know a lot of these uh smartphone based you know

1145
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: applications are just so helpful, especially for me. Um. And

1146
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: then I'll have them show me where they're seeing the deer.

1147
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I run probably anywhere between forty and

1148
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: fifty trail cameras a year, not a single one of

1149
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: those cameras is more valuable than the homeowner. Because I'm

1150
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: hunting on quarter acre, half acre, maybe an acre lot.

1151
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: They can see their whole property. They know where the

1152
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: deer are, they know when and where they're seeing them.

1153
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how many times I've walked

1154
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: to property and I'm like, oh, this little corner right

1155
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: here is definitely the right spot and they're like, nope,

1156
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: did you actually come out over here all the time?

1157
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: And for whatever reason, that's where the deer coming from.

1158
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: And I'll set up in that one lone tree and

1159
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: just start smashing them. And the homeowners are always correct.

1160
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: So if if you're looking at getting into urban hunting

1161
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: and you've gone down the pipeline thus far into our

1162
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: kind of little hypothetical scenario here, do not go set

1163
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: up where you think is a deery spot, set up

1164
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: where the homeowner is telling you, because they're not lying

1165
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: to you. They don't care. You know. It's not like

1166
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, yeah, I go hunt over there because

1167
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: there's a giant one fort you over here. You know, like,

1168
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: they do not care. And the last thing that I

1169
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: tell them is, um, I say, look, you know, thank

1170
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: you very much. Please please let me know when you're

1171
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: seeing when and where you're seeing deer because helps me

1172
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: be more efficient. And you know, that's really helpful to

1173
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: me because the deer around here kind of are almost

1174
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: like nomadic. It's not like in the Midwest where on

1175
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: a particular farm you have your betting, you have your

1176
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: food source, and then you can kind of ambush them

1177
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: between betting and food. I think because there's so little

1178
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: browsed around here, and there's so many external factors like

1179
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: the neighbor's dog or the past out frat boy or whatever,

1180
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: uh kind of pushing these deer around that they kind

1181
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: of run this circuit and the matriarch, Dough is really

1182
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: in charge of that circuit. And so they'll be in

1183
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: an area for a couple of days and then they'll

1184
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, have Phido chase them around. They'll

1185
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: go to the next spot that they're kind of comfortable with,

1186
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: and then they'll go to the next spot. And so

1187
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that I'm not wasting my

1188
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: time when I am out hunting. I want to be

1189
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: as efficient as I can possibly try and be. And

1190
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: so by having the home owners texting me and calling

1191
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: me and being like, hey, they're here, you know, come

1192
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: on out and get them. Uh, that's super helpful. I'm

1193
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm struggling here between if I want to jump to

1194
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: the question that just can my mind if I want

1195
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: to stick with our scenario. But I'm gonna jump to

1196
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: the next question, um that you just raise there, which

1197
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: is you get a call from a landowner saying, hey,

1198
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: they're here, come get them. What kind of like turnaround

1199
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: time do you have to have on that kind of

1200
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 1: data and and with this kind of unique uh circuit

1201
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: behavior that these urban deer are demonstrating. Can if you

1202
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: get there the next day, is that soon enough? Do

1203
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: these dear stay out for a while? Yeah? So, I

1204
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: mean the turnaround time is really anywhere in that twenty

1205
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: four hour time windows seems to be pretty ideal. Um.

1206
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you can get there same day. That's

1207
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: really good, But you know it's not a surefire, guaranteed

1208
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: thing that Hey, I can get there tomorrow and that's perfect.

1209
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna see deer. Um. Sometimes the deer

1210
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: are already gone. But for the most part, the biggest

1211
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: problem I have is having two or three homeowners texting

1212
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: me at the same time and trying to figure out

1213
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 1: which property I'm gonna go to. And what gets even

1214
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: harder for me is during the rut when they're like,

1215
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: there's a giant buck here, right, Well, giant buck to

1216
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 1: you and I is way different than a giant buck

1217
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: to the homeowner who might think the little hundred four

1218
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: pointer is a monster. Right, So you've got to kind

1219
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: of balance your data that you're getting on on that

1220
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: end as to its accuracy. But as far as from

1221
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: a dough hunting perspective, if I get out within twenty

1222
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: four hours, that seems to be ideal. And also maybe

1223
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: it was you know, oh the deer here every morning,

1224
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 1: and I'll go back the next morning, but I really

1225
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: find a ton more activity in the afternoons for whatever

1226
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: reason than than in the morning. Kind Of overall, something

1227
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: you mentioned, they're brought up a question that I completely

1228
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: forgot to ask, which is you talked a lot about

1229
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: how many deer there are, like at the target rich

1230
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: environment that you're hunting in. What about the quality of

1231
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: deer and an age structure of deer? Do you see

1232
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: old bucks, do you see big bucks? What's that like?

1233
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: So we we do see the occasional giant. Um. You know,

1234
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: there are a couple of deer that I have on

1235
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: trail camera that are you know, every bit of what

1236
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: you would expect to see in Kansas, like high one

1237
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: sixties type just slobs. Right. The problem that we have

1238
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: is kind of twofold one. There just isn't a ton

1239
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: of protein here for them to allow them to get

1240
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: to to where their antlers are just huge. Right, So

1241
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: if you wanted to kill a one, like a four

1242
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: year old one forty, you could do that every year.

1243
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: Um if yeah, and that's not a shabby deer, but

1244
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 1: means right, like I'm not like, oh there goes there

1245
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: goes a mid one werena like that walk? You know,

1246
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: like that dear is getting shot every time it comes

1247
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: by my tree. Um. The problem that that I run

1248
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:12,600
Speaker 1: into is you don't have enough access to continuous property

1249
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 1: to where you're like, yep, that dear's betting right over there,

1250
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna slide in on him and I'm gonna

1251
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: kill him tomorrow in his bet right. So what you

1252
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: really end up getting are you'll get a lot of

1253
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: really high quality dear cruising during the rut or pre

1254
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: rut um. But outside of that, your chances of killing

1255
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: them are are pretty slim if they're not betting on

1256
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 1: your property and so and and But I mean, we're

1257
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: the only thing that's killing them are cars and other

1258
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: hunters around here. There are on a ton, there's not

1259
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,600
Speaker 1: a ton of hunting pressure. So you do get a

1260
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: nice age class of of bucks. Uh. And there are

1261
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: definitely some great opportunities for killing some good ones. Um.

1262
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, every year on trail camera, I'll get two

1263
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: or three deer that you'd be like, no question, would

1264
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 1: shoot with the rifle and put on your wall on

1265
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: a heartbeat. When you said that they've got nothing to

1266
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: worry about other than cars and hunters, the first thing

1267
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: I thought in my mind was was maybe like some

1268
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: deer talking to his young ones saying, oh, you gotta

1269
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: watch out for those big black trucks rolling down the

1270
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: road and Taylor, Yeah, and that big old tund squirrel

1271
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: that's hanging up there, that weird diaper looking thing with

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01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: a really sharp stick. He took out a hundred of

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01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 1: your uncles and ants last year, clear jod on really bad. Um. So,

1274
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: so you mentioned though, it's kind of interesting that you

1275
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,759
Speaker 1: can't necessarily pattern a mature buck like maybe doing the Midwest,

1276
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: figure out where they bed and transitioning to food. That's

1277
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: not the kind of behavior you're seeing. How do you

1278
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: go about prepping a property? Then you get you get

1279
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: permission on a property, or in your situation, you get

1280
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: permission on dozens of properties. Do you do any actual

1281
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: prepping in the preseason or do you just run a

1282
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 1: gun in season? So I do a lot of tree prepping.

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01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: I Um, I'm kind of an efficiency nut, and with

1284
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: the amount of hunting that I'm able to do on

1285
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: a year round basis, I've been able to hone in

1286
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: on my kit pretty uh pretty well. But um, you know,

1287
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: I have probably within a fifteen minute drive in my house,

1288
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: I probably have well over a thousand trees prepped and

1289
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: ready to hunt from, um, all marked on an on X.

1290
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: So like, if you look at my aerial view of

1291
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: my on X map, it looks like it has chicken pox.

1292
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: Like it just looks like some kid with nuts with

1293
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 1: a with the mouse and just clicked everywhere, uh, dropping

1294
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,839
Speaker 1: pins and so I kind of have this weird hybrid

1295
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: system as far as you know what level of prep

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01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: work that tree has had to it. So, um, some

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01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: I hunt from a tree saddle. I've just found that

1298
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: the saddle is way more efficient for me for for

1299
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: having that multitude of trees prepped. Um, frankly, my wife

1300
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,720
Speaker 1: would have divorced me a long time ago if I

1301
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 1: had a thousand tree stands just chilling in the garage somewhere. Um,

1302
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 1: she probably divorced me now she knew what half that

1303
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: crap cost. But yeah, I mean, so I have a

1304
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: lot of trees that I have prepped with the kind

1305
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 1: of metal ladder sections, and then you know, I can

1306
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: just climb up those and hunt. But what I've found

1307
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: is that the deer are are really good at figuring out.

1308
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 1: After you, you know, smash a couple of them out

1309
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 1: of their group, They're like, hey, every time we walk

1310
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: past that tree, a couple of us don't make it,

1311
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 1: so we're gonna walk by other trees now. So what

1312
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: I've really kind of evolved in the last couple of

1313
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: years into pretty strictly run and gun. So I'll climb

1314
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: a tree, make sure it's prepped and ready to go.

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01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:57,960
Speaker 1: And when you say started, interrupt, But when you say

1316
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: that a tree is prepped and ready to go, what

1317
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: specifically are you doing to have a tree prepped. Okay,

1318
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: So what I'll do is I'll I'll figure out where

1319
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 1: the deer trails are, which are pretty easy to identify

1320
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 1: in our area because they look like cow pass So

1321
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 1: I'll climb up those trees. I look for a tree

1322
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: that's got a ton of cover. Again, I'm big dude,

1323
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: so I'm a lot of man to hide in the tree. Um.

1324
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: You know, I definitely wish I was terry dreary, but

1325
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm not. So um. So I need trees to have

1326
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: a lot of cover otherwise they're like, why is the

1327
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 1: other half of that tree moving? You know. Um. So

1328
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: I'll get up and I'll trim out my my shooting lanes.

1329
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 1: I'll try to have two or three kind of good

1330
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: shooting lanes to those little kill spots, if you call

1331
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 1: it that, and then I leave everything else as as

1332
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: bushy as possible for around me. Um. And then I'll

1333
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: prep different trees for what I anticipate being different times

1334
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: of the year for the different properties that that I'm on.

1335
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: So some properties, maybe it's a white oak flat and

1336
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: I know that the deer are gonna be pounding through

1337
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: there in the early season and then also in the

1338
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: late season while they're looking for food. So I'll prep

1339
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: a couple of different trees. Maybe I'll prep a holly

1340
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: tree or a tree that's right next to a holly tree.

1341
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: I'll know that will be my, you know, late season spot.

1342
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: Then I'll prep a tree right over by the white

1343
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: oak that's dropping for the early season spot when I

1344
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: know there's a bunch of cover um. And so what

1345
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: I would do is I climb. I'll mark that tree

1346
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: with a little bright eye, and I'll drop a pin

1347
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: on my on X of how to get there. And

1348
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 1: then what I like to do is I'll clear a

1349
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 1: trail out from my truck to that tree. So maybe

1350
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: that's like forty yards, which is kind of embarrassing that

1351
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: somehow that's how far I have to walk. Sometimes it's

1352
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: like fifteen yards. I actually have one tree that I

1353
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: hunt at where the parking spot is right in line

1354
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: with one of the trees that I hunt, and I

1355
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: have to make sure that the deer has cleared my

1356
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 1: truck before I shoot them, because I thought I shot

1357
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: my truck one night when I shot a deer and

1358
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: the arrow deflected and thank god, it went over my truck,

1359
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: but the knock came out of the back and smacked

1360
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: into the side of my truck and I almost fell

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01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,880
Speaker 1: out of the tree. I thought, I just shot a

1362
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: hole through my passenger door. So, um So I'll put

1363
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: a bright eye in it. I'll clear a trail to

1364
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: it so I know I can get to that tree

1365
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: as silently as possible, because a lot of the time

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01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: the deer are not bedded far away of where I'm hunting,

1367
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: so I really need to kind of, you know, do

1368
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: the damn infult and slip in as quietly as possible,

1369
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: um to to get up into hunting positions. So put

1370
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: the bright eye in it, market climb up, cut my

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01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: shooting lanes out into where I think they're the deer

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01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: are gonna be coming, or where I know they're coming

1373
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: based on previous years hunting there, and then you know,

1374
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 1: get out of there. And then I try to have

1375
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: as many trees as possible hunting to hunt from on

1376
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,559
Speaker 1: a property. And again that's kind of why I hunt

1377
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: from a saddle, because you know, I can hunt from

1378
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: any tree as opposed to only a couple of trees.

1379
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: And when you're hunting a quarter acre, you might only

1380
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: have two trees on the property, So it's important to

1381
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: be able to maximize those and then lastly, I don't

1382
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: want to burn the tree out. So when I'm when

1383
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,080
Speaker 1: I go in on a hunt, I'm trying to be

1384
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: as deadly as possible. I'm not just prospecting. I'm I'm

1385
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 1: there to kill um. And I think that's something that's

1386
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: important because I mean people think they're like, oh, man,

1387
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: you're just hunting does in the suburbs, Like that's super easy. No, man,

1388
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean you're hunting an animal that wants to live

1389
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: and you're you're killing it, and it's trying to do

1390
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: everything and it's power to figure out how to not die.

1391
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: And so as soon as they realize like, hey, there's

1392
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: something going on around here that's causing us to you know,

1393
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: get dragged out and go into the back of that

1394
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: really as truck. Um, you know, they're they're figuring out

1395
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: how to avoid that. So it's kind of always on

1396
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: you to to figure out how to keep being as

1397
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: efficient and as deadly as possible. Yeah. So you've got

1398
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 1: a thousand trees prepped in in one way or another.

1399
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: You've got them all lined up on your maps. Um,

1400
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: you mentioned you talk to these landowners. You're figuring out

1401
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: what they're seeing, all the stuff's going on. But you

1402
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,799
Speaker 1: also said you run forty to fifty trail cameras across

1403
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: all those places, um to to what? Um? And are

1404
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: you using them for? Like? Are you just trying to

1405
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: see where the you are active or are you looking

1406
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: for mature bus or any kind of buck or anything

1407
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: like that? And UM, I guess that's question number one.

1408
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: Question number two is how do you manage that many cameras? Yeah? So,

1409
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 1: um well, I managed that many cameras, much to Amazon's

1410
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: pleasure because I'm com buying a shipload of batteries all

1411
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 1: year long. Um So, I mean I run those cameras

1412
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: to try and figure out any type of trends that

1413
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: I can figure out, if that makes sense. I mean

1414
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: I want to be as efficient as humanly possible. I

1415
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,839
Speaker 1: would love to get to where every hunt I'm harvesting

1416
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: a deer. Uh. Now, granted, you know it's hunting and

1417
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: you're never gonna get to that. But that's the kind

1418
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: of perfection that I'm striving for in in knowing how

1419
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: to be as deadly as possible. So there's some places

1420
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: that the property owners just can't see. And maybe I

1421
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: want to put a camera on that trail and see

1422
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: when the deer are using it or how many of

1423
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 1: them are there are, you know, maybe looking at that

1424
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: quality of bucks that are living on that property. I

1425
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: mean there, you know, you can get lucky, I guess

1426
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that, or you know,

1427
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: maybe whatever, there's a maybe there's a giant one sixty

1428
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: that's coming in and eating acorns on October five. You know,

1429
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna not shoot that deer. Um, even

1430
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: though I'm not specifically a buck hunter. I'm more of

1431
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,839
Speaker 1: hunting to reduce the population. But who doesn't like shooting

1432
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: a big mature white tail, right? Um? So I mean

1433
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm really trying to use the cameras to find try

1434
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: and develop trends, figure out when, where, and why the

1435
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 1: deer are using certain areas that maybe the homeowners aren't

1436
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: as detailed on. So, you know, I find a lot

1437
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: of the deer as I'm sure you've heard a lot

1438
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: of your other guests talk about, you know, dear move

1439
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: specifically because of the wind right and so I'm trying

1440
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: to figure out which wind direction creates deer movement on

1441
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: this specific parcel. What when are they betting here when

1442
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: are they using it? Um, and kind of you know

1443
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: what thermal conditions will will create that environment, so then

1444
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: I can try and predict ahead of time. Okay, Mr

1445
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 1: Jones is texting me saying, you see in twelve deer.

1446
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: I know on this property that the landscapers come on Thursday,

1447
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: today's Friday, and so the deer are gonna be there

1448
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: trying to eat the fresh grass they just blew all

1449
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:07,799
Speaker 1: the leaves off of and we have a northeast wind,

1450
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: so the deer definitely gonna be there. Like, Okay, I'm

1451
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: pretty much bet in the farm and I'm gonna kill

1452
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: a couple tonight, right. That's I love it. I love

1453
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: I love a hunting A hunting sit revolving around the lawnmower,

1454
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: you would be surprised. So I have this giant whiteboard

1455
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: down here in my my little bow cave, and um,

1456
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: I have all the neighborhoods rotations for school bus pickup times,

1457
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 1: the when the trash trucks come and recycling trucks, and

1458
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: then um, when the landscapers are are there, because a

1459
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: lot of these people will use the same landscaping crews

1460
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: and the deer love the fresh blown off grass when

1461
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: the leaves are falling, and so they will wait until

1462
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: the landscapers are done hitting that spot and they will

1463
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: pound that yard the next day. So I try and

1464
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: kind of, yeah, it's kind of a food plot to

1465
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: some extent, I guess it is a food plot. Really,

1466
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: it's just man made or you know, unintentionally there as

1467
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:10,759
Speaker 1: opposed to you know, what you or I would plant

1468
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 1: um in traditional hunting country. Okay, So that that brings

1469
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: up an interesting question. Then, So you know, certain food

1470
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: plots or crops out in like egg Land, depending on

1471
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: the soil quality, depending on how much fertilizer and things

1472
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 1: like that, all that can influence how productive and nutritious

1473
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: that food is for deer and how palatable it is

1474
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: to deer. So have you ever noticed, I don't know

1475
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: if you thought about this, but have you ever noticed

1476
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: like certain lawns are more attractive to deer? And I

1477
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 1: wonder like if people that really fertilize the yards a lot,

1478
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: if that attracts a lot of deer or if anything

1479
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: like that. Have you've been able to target deer based

1480
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 1: off of some kind of food preference with lawn or landscapes.

1481
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: I've found that deer will flock in the wintertime to

1482
01:22:55,400 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 1: those the septic fields around here. So let's go a

1483
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: little more high level. So a lot of the yards

1484
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: around here, a lot of the houses are on septic systems,

1485
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: is based on where we're living. So with that comes

1486
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: like a little I don't know, maybe three hundred or

1487
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: not even hundred and fifty yard or actually take that back.

1488
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: It's like a forty yard by forty yard square patch

1489
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: of grass right on the northern facing septic fields. Those

1490
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 1: are the first ones that the snow will melt off

1491
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: of in the wintertime. The deer pound that. So I

1492
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 1: have a property that I went to actually with Ford

1493
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: and some of the guys from first light. It is

1494
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:42,839
Speaker 1: that exact area. It's this little point of a grassy

1495
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: septic field that's about forty yards long by about twenty

1496
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: five yards wide. And I could go there and see

1497
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 1: thirty deer right now, I bet, just based on the

1498
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: weather that we're having lately. Um actually went there the

1499
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: other night to hunt, and instead of seeing any deer,

1500
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,799
Speaker 1: the neighbor pulled his law ferrari out of the garage,

1501
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: which was so loud. I think it's scared everything away.

1502
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: And three counties here. Um, But yeah, I mean so

1503
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: specific soil types, not exactly, but land orientation that allows

1504
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: for different sunlight. Yes. And I've actually been looking at

1505
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: this product that this guy showed me at the A

1506
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: T A show two years ago. And you it's a

1507
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: spray application for current vegetation that makes it way more

1508
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 1: palatable for deer. And what he said was that the

1509
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: deer will flock to this stuff and and you know

1510
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: they'll seek it out over other stuff. Now, we're not

1511
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 1: allowed to bait deer in Virginia, but this is he

1512
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: has some agricultural license that makes it a food plot

1513
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: as opposed to baiting, so it's not illegal in the

1514
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,519
Speaker 1: state of Virginia. So I'm looking forward to trying that

1515
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 1: this year and seeing kind of if it works or not. Um.

1516
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: Although I did not get it out in time this year.

1517
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: It needs to be applied um when the plant is

1518
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: is recessing back into their root, their roots structure, so um.

1519
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: And that's obviously the beginning of the fall. This year,

1520
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: I had a my my wife, and I had a child,

1521
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: so that kind of negated my spraying activity on on

1522
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: a couple hundred properties. So looking forward to trying it

1523
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 1: this year. Um, wow, that is that is the next

1524
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: level stuff they're keying in on septic systems and landscaping

1525
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: and all that. Really uh interesting when it comes to

1526
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: trail cameras. Um, you know, something we hear from a

1527
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: lot of folks, you know in in egg Land and stuff,

1528
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 1: is an annual pattern. So a buck coming back and

1529
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 1: doing the same kind of thing year after year. Um. Yeah,

1530
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: I know the patterns are a little funky by where

1531
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: you're at because of all the different influencers. But do

1532
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: you do you have have you ever seen something like

1533
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,160
Speaker 1: that that you know, late October every year we're gonna

1534
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: start seeing mature bucks in the spot, or every year

1535
01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 1: this one buck for three years came back on November

1536
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 1: eighth and tenth or anything along those lines. Yes. And

1537
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:26,599
Speaker 1: I actually first started looking at that listening to a

1538
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 1: podcast that you did, and you guys were talking about

1539
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: how you know, the deer are going to be back

1540
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: on the same day every year, and I forget who

1541
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: your guest was, but I mean he went through like

1542
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: five or six years of trail camera data with different

1543
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 1: bucks and how they would just be back in that

1544
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 1: same spot, you know, within a day or two every year,

1545
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: and so I started looking at some of my trail

1546
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: camera data and realized, holy smokes, that's correct. Um. You know,

1547
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: I think these deer are a lot smart er than

1548
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: we give them credit for. And with the different you know,

1549
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: lunar cycle or whatever, you know, they're they're looking for

1550
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: those relatively the same time of year. I have a

1551
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: couple of spots on some properties that are just natural

1552
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 1: pinch points, and I mean every year, on a couple

1553
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: of these on certain days in November, you're gonna see

1554
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 1: a shooter um, which is really kind of interesting. Definitely,

1555
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: it's for me. You talked about those podcast when I

1556
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: started chatting with folks like that, I think I think

1557
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: Mark Drury has talked about it a lot. Don Higgins

1558
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: has talked about it a lot. Um that was big

1559
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: eye opened it for me. I certainly started looking back

1560
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: at my pictures and sightings and I saw the same thing.

1561
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, and for me, it's what's hard is figuring

1562
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: out what buck is what, because I mean I might

1563
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: have twenty five different bucks come through a property that

1564
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: are all, you know, hundred and fifteen h pointers and

1565
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, which which one is the one that's

1566
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: now a hundred forty h pointer which one of these

1567
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: was he? What day was it here? Um? And And

1568
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 1: what's even harder to do is not burn that spot

1569
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 1: out with the anticipation of it being a quote unquote

1570
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 1: like good buck spot, right, because in reality it's not

1571
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: that great of a spot. They're just coming through there

1572
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: when the timing is right within the season, And you know,

1573
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: you really have to have that kind of that resolved

1574
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: to not go into certain spots like that until the

1575
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,479
Speaker 1: timing is right, because otherwise you're just leaving a bunch

1576
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:33,280
Speaker 1: of cents around and doing nothing other than educating the

1577
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: deer that that you're there. So how much are you

1578
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: worried about that kind of thing pressuring these deer or

1579
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 1: what kinds of pressure do you feel like you have

1580
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,959
Speaker 1: to worry about, because I, you know, I gotta imagine

1581
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: they're used to some level of human intrusion all around them. Um,

1582
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 1: So what like, how is your brain thinking through that

1583
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: whole balancing act? Yeah, So what's really kind of interesting

1584
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: is I try to not let the deer know that

1585
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm a predator. And I know that sounds kind of funny,

1586
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: but it So let's take a hypothetical property for example, Right,

1587
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,719
Speaker 1: and let's say they have uh, it's it's an acre,

1588
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: and they have Timmy and Tommy's old tree for it

1589
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: in the backyard, right, and and mom and Dad go

1590
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: out back and you know, smoke a cigar or whatever

1591
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: on the back deck a couple of times a week.

1592
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: Those deer could not care less if you're in the

1593
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 1: tree for it, if you're walking in the grass, if

1594
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: you're out there doing whatever, right, they could care less

1595
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 1: the second that you crossed the threshold from what their

1596
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: normal routine that they're used to seeing on that property

1597
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: is into an abnormal routine. Now they're taking notice. So

1598
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 1: I could literally have street clothes on and walk past

1599
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: a couple of deer that are bedded forty yards into

1600
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,400
Speaker 1: the woods, and they're gonna be looking at me with

1601
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: their full attention. They might not even stand up on

1602
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: their feet, right, They're just I'm just another schmo. The

1603
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:00,759
Speaker 1: second that I have some camouflage on and I'm walking

1604
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: directly towards them or climbing a tree, now they're taking

1605
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: notice and they're starting to figure out, Okay. You know,

1606
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: first of all, I think the camera really throws them off,

1607
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 1: because when they're used to seeing you know, humans, they

1608
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: can make up make out our entire outline, and so

1609
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 1: they know, okay, that's a human. That's fine. So I've

1610
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: actually gone as far as walking to the tree and

1611
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: normal street clothes, throwing on my camo and climbing up

1612
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 1: and and had really good success in areas like that.

1613
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 1: If I'm hunting in a park, for example, we we

1614
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 1: have some parks around here that you can put your

1615
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: name in a lottery and hunt on. I could just

1616
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: smashed your all the time doing that, because they're used

1617
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 1: to seeing people in there jogging. So I would just

1618
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,719
Speaker 1: go in and like a track suit, looking like dude

1619
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: from Jersey Shore, and under my track suit, I'd have

1620
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 1: my camo and I would just get to the tree unzipped,

1621
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: click my saddle on, climb up, And I killed a

1622
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 1: lot of deer doing that. Um, you know, so kind

1623
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 1: of a long winded answer to your question. I mean, yeah,

1624
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm worried about educating the deer, but the only way

1625
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: they're getting educated is if I'm interacting with them in

1626
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: some ways. So if I'm in the woods, I climb up,

1627
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: I shoot a couple of does the other ones run off.

1628
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 1: I get down, recover those does. Those other ones don't

1629
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 1: really know what happened. They might come back in a

1630
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 1: couple of days, they might even be back there the

1631
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 1: next day. Um. But if you get in there and

1632
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: like Booker up a hunting situation where maybe you know,

1633
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: you bring your buddy out and your buddy misses a deer,

1634
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,719
Speaker 1: wounds a dear God forbid, you know, that is really

1635
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,559
Speaker 1: what's going to educate those deer. So I'm not super

1636
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: worried about it per se, but it's definitely something I'm

1637
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 1: taking into account to try and minimize as much human

1638
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 1: impact as possible while I'm in there. And that's why

1639
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do everything i can that when I

1640
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:02,240
Speaker 1: go in, I'm trying to hill um and and so

1641
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking at the wind, I'm looking at you know,

1642
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: when and where they're seeing deer, and I'm trying to

1643
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: hunt with everything in the deer's favor, thinking that I

1644
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: can use just a little bit of it to my advantage.

1645
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: So I want the wind to be just off for

1646
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: that deer um or for me really in order to

1647
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: go in and hunt that spot. And in doing so,

1648
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: I've been able to really you know, knock on wood

1649
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: not booker up too many of my hunting spots to

1650
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 1: where that's an issue. Yeah, So what about, um, the exit?

1651
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: So you talked about sometimes getting in there you could

1652
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: wear your street clothes and they see you coming in,

1653
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 1: and then I think that's no big deal. But what

1654
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: about like the exits off of an evening sit Now

1655
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 1: it's after dark. Um, you know, this is one of

1656
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: those situations that I deal with a lot in agricultural land,

1657
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 1: worrying about blowing deer off of food sources and things

1658
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: like that because all these deer on their feet. Now,

1659
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: do you worry as much as maybe I do about

1660
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: spooking above or deer off of off their feet in

1661
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:05,600
Speaker 1: the evening or what's that scenario? Like, Yeah, that's a

1662
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: nightmare for me. I mean I there have been some

1663
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: nights where I've been in the tree for a couple

1664
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: of hours after dark because there are a bunch of

1665
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: does feeding around me and I don't want to blow

1666
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 1: that tree out. Um. So what I'll do is I'll

1667
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: just sit there, unfortunately until until they're gone. Um, or

1668
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: I'll have, you know, maybe one of the other guys

1669
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: that I hunt with come through and blow them out

1670
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,720
Speaker 1: on foot, so that they think it was just some

1671
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: guy coming through the the yard and not me climbing

1672
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 1: down out of the tree. So I mean, I'm constantly

1673
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: worried about bumping deer or letting them know that I'm

1674
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: in the area. And I think it's something that you

1675
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: have to take into account, and you have to try

1676
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 1: and be as as intelligent as possible with what you're

1677
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: doing as far as areas of access. That's why I

1678
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: take the time to really clear out lots of trails

1679
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,640
Speaker 1: to the trees that I'm hunting, is because you know,

1680
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,760
Speaker 1: if I can get in and out of there silently,

1681
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,679
Speaker 1: that's way better than like bumbling through, breaking sticks, crunching

1682
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 1: on leaves on your way in and on your way out. Yeah,

1683
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 1: for sure, speaking of um, you know, making noise when

1684
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,480
Speaker 1: you're bumbling out or bumbling in and stuff like that. Um.

1685
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: Another one of those things that I gotta imagine a

1686
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: lot of people might struggle with in your kind of

1687
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 1: scenario is the setup for each individual hunt, especially you know,

1688
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: with what you're doing, setting up a new spot every

1689
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: time you hunt, because you're hunting with a saddle and

1690
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 1: sometimes sticks. Um, that's gotta be a process that you've

1691
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,719
Speaker 1: got pretty dialed in, UM, and shoot hunting a hundred

1692
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: fifty days, two hundred days a year, you might have

1693
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 1: the most dialed in or I gotta believe you've gotta

1694
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: have something pretty well dialed in as far as your

1695
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 1: gear for this kind of mobile hunting to more than

1696
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: maybe anyone else, because there's not a lot of folks

1697
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: hunting that many days a year in a mobile kind

1698
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: of running gun situation. Yeah, I'm super anal about my gear.

1699
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 1: I mean so, and I think being able to hunt

1700
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: as often as I do and as much as I

1701
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 1: do it really kind of affords me the opportunity to

1702
01:35:14,240 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: to tinker with stuff and and try to get it

1703
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: get it right. So, I mean my kit, um, there's

1704
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 1: nothing that I take with me to the tree that

1705
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have a specific purpose that it's needed for. So,

1706
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: and I'm really anal about even like how I pack

1707
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:34,879
Speaker 1: my pull up rope or where I put it, because

1708
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, the more efficient I can be in getting

1709
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 1: to the tree and up it, you know, the faster

1710
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: it goes, the choieter it is, and the more kind

1711
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 1: of mindlessly you can climb a tree. Not that I

1712
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: want to climb a tree mindlessly, but uh, you know,

1713
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,440
Speaker 1: the more kind of automatic it is as opposed to

1714
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: to like, you know, you got crap everywhere. It's hanging off,

1715
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, your pull ropes kind of tied up. You know,

1716
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 1: you gotta not your bows hanging I feed off the ground.

1717
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 1: It's just you know, you don't want to to do that.

1718
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:07,440
Speaker 1: And also, you know, on some of these really tight properties,

1719
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:11,040
Speaker 1: when I'm leaving, I don't want to use a headlamp

1720
01:36:11,200 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 1: because this time of year there are no leaves on

1721
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 1: the trees and I might have eight, you know, three

1722
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: million dollar houses They're looking down on the floodplane that

1723
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm hunting in, and I don't want to have this

1724
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 1: giant white torch like coming through the tree and now

1725
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: having all these houses be like, hey, what the hell

1726
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: is that? Oh, there's a guy hunting back there. You know,

1727
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 1: let's give him a problem. So sometimes I have to

1728
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: climb down in the dark or with a very muted

1729
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: kind of green light. So I want to be as

1730
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: proficient in my system as possible for my own safety.

1731
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 1: But um so, I mean, do you we're gonna ask

1732
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: me to walk you cut off? Ever, I want to

1733
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 1: know exactly everything you're bringing, all your essentials exactly. How

1734
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 1: do you have it packed all the details. I'm really

1735
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:00,559
Speaker 1: curious about what your kid is, how you have it

1736
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 1: all set up for this kind of scenario. Okay, So

1737
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: in an incredibly kind of like micro view of my kit, uh,

1738
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:12,440
Speaker 1: it starts in the basement of my house. So my

1739
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 1: my basement is kind of my my bow cave, man

1740
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: cave whatever. UM. With all my analness uh anal retentiveness,

1741
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: I also really big into tuning my own gear and

1742
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: making sure it's absolutely perfect. And I think a lot

1743
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 1: of that comes back to I don't want to track

1744
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 1: a deer a yard further than I have to, UM,

1745
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 1: and so I want to deliver the arrow as efficiently

1746
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 1: as possible. So I have all of my gear kind

1747
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 1: of organized down here between, you know. So I have

1748
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: like a bin full of socks that have all of

1749
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 1: the different thickness of socks, and then I have all

1750
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: of my um basse layers, mid layers, you know, jackets, etcetera.

1751
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 1: So I'll come down and get what I need for

1752
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,519
Speaker 1: my hunt. And I have kind of a airtight tote

1753
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 1: that that I keep all that in. UM. I used

1754
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 1: to wear street clothes out when I hunted, and I

1755
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: still do that a lot, but in some of the

1756
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,840
Speaker 1: neighborhoods and I'm going to if I can park off

1757
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 1: the street, then I will wear my camo in the

1758
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: truck on my way out there. But if I if

1759
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to a newer area, or if I'm going

1760
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 1: to an area that I might not be having like

1761
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 1: a really good out of sight kind of parking spot,

1762
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:31,720
Speaker 1: then I'll wear like like a golf shirt and some

1763
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: khakis or um. I've actually been wearing the first light.

1764
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:39,280
Speaker 1: I think it's a catalyst pant in the brown because

1765
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: they look like khakis, but there they feel like sweatpants.

1766
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: So it's easier for me. So I'll pack my gear

1767
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: up in my house, take it out to my truck,

1768
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 1: uh throwing the truck, drive to the property, and I'll

1769
01:38:51,439 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: get dressed at the properties. So I'll have two toads

1770
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: in the back of my truck. One will be all

1771
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: my camo, which is one of these like Eagle Creek

1772
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 1: dry bags, so it's it's airtight with all my gear

1773
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,799
Speaker 1: in it. And then I have a rubber made tote

1774
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,839
Speaker 1: that has all of my stuff and it's like my saddle,

1775
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:12,719
Speaker 1: my backpack, my camera arm uh and all that stuff

1776
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 1: is layered in my tote as to when I need

1777
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: it to put it on. So you know, it starts

1778
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:22,680
Speaker 1: with the saddle on top, then my backpack, then my

1779
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 1: bino harness camera arm all that. So the order that

1780
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: it that it's gonna go on my body is how

1781
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 1: it comes out next. So get to the property park,

1782
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: put my camera on, open my toe, start putting my

1783
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: stuff on. I use the wild edge steps. Are you

1784
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,760
Speaker 1: familiar with those? You know, I haven't used them, but

1785
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 1: I have heard of him. But can you describe them

1786
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: for folks? Yeah, So it's. Um, it's a little metal

1787
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: step that's maybe like five inches wide and maybe three

1788
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 1: inches tall. It's got a little point. They packs into

1789
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 1: a little green bag. Okay, And so I'll throw those on,

1790
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 1: grab my bow, and I'm I'm walking off to the tree. Um,

1791
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 1: is this a morning hunter or afternoon hunt? Let's say

1792
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: it's an afternoon hunt. But let me pause you still

1793
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 1: further and tell me. So you got your camera and

1794
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,599
Speaker 1: you're wearing your saddle, What about your tether? What about

1795
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 1: your your belt? Yes? All that all that I daisy

1796
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: chain up and it's clipped on on either side of

1797
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 1: my hip. So my lineman's belt is always on my

1798
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: left lineman's left Keep it simple, right, um, And that

1799
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 1: what that does is I have my lineman's belt kind

1800
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 1: of looped through on the left hand side, girth hitched

1801
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: onto the lineman's loops, so there's only one um carabine

1802
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: er that's needed. That's what's on my ropeman. So I'm

1803
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 1: right handed. It just helps for me to take it

1804
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:49,639
Speaker 1: around the tree, clip it into the right lineman's belt

1805
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 1: and tighten it down with my right hand. Both of

1806
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 1: those are on on my hip. I don't I don't

1807
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: want it in a baggy. I just kind of have them.

1808
01:40:57,600 --> 01:41:00,120
Speaker 1: Daisy chain there, Are you familiar with with how to

1809
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: do a daisy chain? Yeah, but you should probably walk

1810
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 1: folks through it. Okay. So daisy chain is where you

1811
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 1: take the rope and you create like a little half

1812
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: hitch by twisting the rope over and then pulling the

1813
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 1: I guess it would be the mail end through the

1814
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,040
Speaker 1: female in and kind of creating a loop with that

1815
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: and then create pulling it down. So what it does

1816
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 1: is you're doubling the rope up on itself over and

1817
01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: over again under a little bit of tension. Um, and

1818
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 1: then you can clip it in, and so I'm able

1819
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: to get a you know, seven foot rope down to

1820
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 1: about the size of a basketball or excuse me, a football,

1821
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: maybe a little smaller with that daisy chain, and then

1822
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 1: the carabineers on the top, which is what's holding the

1823
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: daisy chain together, and I can clip that onto my saddle.

1824
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 1: So what I've created is this tiny little little thing

1825
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 1: of rope that's that's no bigger than half of my thigh,

1826
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 1: that's compact and hanging off of me on either side

1827
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 1: of my body. So those are there and the carabineers

1828
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 1: or what's clipping it onto yourself. So there's no real

1829
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 1: metal exposure to hit anything. So you got your you

1830
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: get your saddle on, You've got your daisy chained tether

1831
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:16,880
Speaker 1: in your lineman's belt on your hips um, you got

1832
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: a backpack on, and do you have your steps inside

1833
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 1: the backpack or they strapped to the outside of it.

1834
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:25,320
Speaker 1: So my steps are in this little green bag which

1835
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: is part of the part of the wild Edge system,

1836
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 1: and it's slung over my shoulder kind of over my

1837
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 1: head on a forty five degree on my body. Those

1838
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 1: are resting on my right hip and my backpacks on.

1839
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 1: I have my bino harness on my chest. My bino

1840
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: harness has my binoculars and my range finder in it,

1841
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 1: and then I have my I use a thumb release

1842
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: for hunting because I don't want to clanking around while

1843
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm climbing up the tree. Um, So I have that

1844
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,799
Speaker 1: in my either cargo pocket or or tucked into a pocket.

1845
01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 1: But I will put it into a pocket and make

1846
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 1: sure it is zipped shut. The last thing I want

1847
01:43:02,840 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 1: to do is climb all the way up a tree

1848
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 1: and go where's that? Right? So, and I keep keep

1849
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 1: an extra one in my backpack always because one is none? Right?

1850
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 1: Who is one? One is none? So? Uh so I'm

1851
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 1: walking in I have all that stuff kind of on me,

1852
01:43:21,479 --> 01:43:23,240
Speaker 1: and it sounds like a lot, but it's really kind

1853
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 1: of a very compact system, very seamless. I have my

1854
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: bow in my left hand. I have my Predator platform

1855
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: on my green bag, so that that's the little platform

1856
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 1: from my feet for the saddle. On a lot of

1857
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:40,439
Speaker 1: my older preset trees, I used to have screw in steps,

1858
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 1: but that was before the platform came out and really

1859
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 1: saved every saddle hunter's life. Um that thing is a

1860
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: game changer for everyone. It's really pretty sweet. So I

1861
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 1: have that kind of clipped onto my green baggie using

1862
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 1: one of the giant gear ties that come from guessing

1863
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 1: gun from Home Depot or Amazon. But it's about uh

1864
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:09,720
Speaker 1: fifteen inches long and minds Blaze orange, so I can

1865
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 1: see it easier, and I kind of wrap it around

1866
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: the the standoff, through the through the platform base so

1867
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't move around at all. One of those like

1868
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 1: bendy like night eyes things that we're talking about exactly. Yeah,

1869
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 1: one of the giant ones. I think it's made for

1870
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:30,479
Speaker 1: like hanging stuff up in your garage. Um. And so

1871
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,360
Speaker 1: it's about you know, I think it's sixteen or eighteen

1872
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 1: inches long. They come in different lengths and thicknesses. So, um,

1873
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 1: that's what's kind of clipped on. And a lot of

1874
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: my gear. You know, every time I use some gear,

1875
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm always thinking, Okay, how can I improve that? How

1876
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 1: can that get better? What what can I do to

1877
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 1: make that faster or more efficient or and and sometimes

1878
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 1: that might be buying a different item, or sometimes that's

1879
01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: kind of making adjustments to that particular item. Um. So

1880
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 1: all my stuff is kind of moded to some degree

1881
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: for the most part if it needs it. Some of

1882
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: the newer saddle stuff, though, doesn't need any modifications, which

1883
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:14,639
Speaker 1: is really pretty sweet. So so I walked to the tree.

1884
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:17,680
Speaker 1: In the wild edge bag, I only have, you know,

1885
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 1: five or six wild edge steps. What's in there also

1886
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:26,360
Speaker 1: is an aider, a little five step climbing aid. So

1887
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,719
Speaker 1: what I'll do is I'll hang one at head height

1888
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:31,479
Speaker 1: and one at belly height or so, which is about

1889
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 1: four ft four and a half feet. I'll clip the

1890
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 1: aider onto the wild edge step that's above my head,

1891
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:42,280
Speaker 1: and then I will pull my bow rope out of

1892
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 1: my left pocket of my backpack. So the backpack has

1893
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 1: the waistband on it. On that waistband there multiple pockets,

1894
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 1: so I have it. I have my poll rope on there.

1895
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 1: The way that I carry my poll rope, it's pretty simple.

1896
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:04,759
Speaker 1: I have one end that has a little tiny locking

1897
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 1: I guess um clip for a lack of a better

1898
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:12,280
Speaker 1: term than I picked up at a hardware store. I

1899
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:14,640
Speaker 1: think it's for a flag. But you press on a

1900
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,719
Speaker 1: little button and instead of it being like a keychain clip,

1901
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,080
Speaker 1: it opens up like an alligator mouth with two two

1902
01:46:21,080 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 1: hooks on the other side. So I have that in

1903
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 1: and I tie it in a figure eight not around

1904
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:29,479
Speaker 1: my thumb and my pinky when I'm done with it.

1905
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 1: And what that does is I can clip the metal

1906
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 1: part to wherever I want it, and I can pull

1907
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 1: just enough out of this figure eight para cord to

1908
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:41,559
Speaker 1: tie onto my bow, and as I'm climbing, it'll just

1909
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: pull itself out, so you don't have just twenty five

1910
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 1: ft of rope just dangling around waiting for you know,

1911
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 1: whatever rare influence to to screen up. It's just pulling out.

1912
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 1: And then by the time you get up to your

1913
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 1: hunting height, it's just ready to go. You just pull

1914
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 1: it right back up. So, um, first two wild age

1915
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 1: steps on the tree, clip that onto the bow. Then

1916
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: I start walking up the eight ers so I can

1917
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 1: I will put my alignement's belt on obviously. Can you

1918
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 1: can you describe what you mean by native Yeah, So,

1919
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 1: an eider is a nylon it's a system of nylon

1920
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: runners with a carabean or on top. And so that

1921
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:22,719
Speaker 1: carabineers clipped onto the wild edge step and these aids

1922
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:28,759
Speaker 1: are these giant um, well, they're they're large nylon footholes basically,

1923
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: so it's like a like a ladder made out of

1924
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:35,280
Speaker 1: nylon that you can walk up. It's what rock climbers use.

1925
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 1: And this one in particular is rated to like killing

1926
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 1: Newton's or something insanely more than I way. So, um,

1927
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 1: what that allows me to do is get a lot

1928
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:53,000
Speaker 1: of space between my wild edge steps instead of having

1929
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:56,000
Speaker 1: to have one every two ft. You know, two of

1930
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 1: them get me about eight ft, so I can you

1931
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:05,080
Speaker 1: six and be at no problem. And it's incredibly fast

1932
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: and secure to climb up these things. So even if

1933
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:14,200
Speaker 1: you know you're climbing a sideways tree, I can lean

1934
01:48:14,240 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 1: back into my alignment's belt and have the tension on

1935
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 1: my feet and it's just like walking up, walking up

1936
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 1: a ladder. Um, So you just kind of step up,

1937
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:26,680
Speaker 1: climb up the eight er to where you get to

1938
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:30,680
Speaker 1: your the first step that you hung. Now you're a

1939
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:34,679
Speaker 1: carabineer with the eights. You know, maybe at that chess

1940
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: level you hang another one at eight feet, which is

1941
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 1: as high as I can reach with my hand, and

1942
01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:44,600
Speaker 1: I clip the eight on that and repeat the process. Um.

1943
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 1: It's a really slick way to ascend quickly and quietly,

1944
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 1: very very easily, in the way that the wild edge

1945
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:58,280
Speaker 1: bag kind of sits on your hip. All those little

1946
01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: steps are right there. There's no need to be clanking

1947
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 1: around anything. They're held totally securely there. Uh. And they

1948
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 1: connect by by using a rope. So you you you

1949
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:11,240
Speaker 1: put the rope around the tree and then you tie.

1950
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 1: It's not even a knot. It's just a loop that

1951
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 1: goes under, then back down and over, so it pulls

1952
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:21,799
Speaker 1: tension on itself to where it keeps you totally secure

1953
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 1: on the step. Um. Sorry, do you keep an eight

1954
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:30,800
Speaker 1: on each step? So you bring so so when you

1955
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 1: step up to the eight or so, so you have

1956
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 1: two steps. If you're a ground level, you have one

1957
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 1: step at you know, let's call it belly button height

1958
01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:41,759
Speaker 1: or bottom of your bino harness height. You have another

1959
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 1: step at as about as high as your hand can reach,

1960
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: which for me is a little over eight ft. So

1961
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 1: my aider goes on my top one at eight ft.

1962
01:49:51,560 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 1: Then I walk up it and my feet go onto

1963
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:58,200
Speaker 1: now the step that was at bino harness heights, so

1964
01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:00,160
Speaker 1: about four and a half feet off the ground from me.

1965
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:04,760
Speaker 1: I then hang another step at at the new eight

1966
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,599
Speaker 1: foot level, so you know, twelve and a half feet

1967
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: in this scenario, which is the eight feet on top

1968
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: of the four and a half feet that I'm currently

1969
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:16,080
Speaker 1: off the ground, and then take my eider off of

1970
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 1: what was originally the eight foot one when I was

1971
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:20,640
Speaker 1: on the ground and move it up and then I

1972
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:23,679
Speaker 1: walk up that AID or to the next middle level.

1973
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:26,559
Speaker 1: So so the way the AID works is the AID

1974
01:50:26,720 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 1: is always going to be on your highest step. So

1975
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 1: so since you're not going all the way up to

1976
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 1: that top step, you're able to just move it from

1977
01:50:39,400 --> 01:50:41,960
Speaker 1: what was the highest step to the new highest step

1978
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:45,120
Speaker 1: that you've hung. Does that make sense. Yes, here's bending

1979
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 1: out on clipping it and then standing back up and

1980
01:50:47,240 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 1: clipping on the next one, right, And so really when

1981
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: you're climbing though it, you'll never have to bend down

1982
01:50:53,080 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 1: because it's starting at eight ft above your head. You're

1983
01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 1: walking up to to whatever is at four and a

1984
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: half feet and then so once you're there, that eight

1985
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 1: is only the eights rate at belly button level or

1986
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: maybe a little higher, so you can just clip it off,

1987
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, pull the cariban or off, click it to

1988
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 1: the next one. So what what this eliminates is it

1989
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 1: eliminates having you know, four lone wolf sticks dangling behind you. Um,

1990
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: you know, clanking around on everything. Then you got the

1991
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 1: metal buckles and all that. It's really pretty a slick system.

1992
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,880
Speaker 1: And you just kind of pull the rope around the

1993
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 1: tree tie this little um it's not even a knot,

1994
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 1: you know, you come under the step and then you

1995
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 1: come around it and down and so it sentches on

1996
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 1: itself to where it can't move at all, and um,

1997
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:47,519
Speaker 1: it really works well. It takes a little while to

1998
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:50,840
Speaker 1: kind of get used to how to flip the the

1999
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 1: while that's stepped down to where it's super tight. But

2000
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm two forty pounds and I could do

2001
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 1: jumping jacks on these things without fear. They're they're really

2002
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:04,160
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. It's that flipping down to that's what really

2003
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,839
Speaker 1: gets the tension right. It kind of calms down correct,

2004
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:09,320
Speaker 1: because what you're doing is you have these two little

2005
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,519
Speaker 1: standoffs is what they're called. It's what what pushes the

2006
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:16,240
Speaker 1: actual crossbar off of the tree that's flushed to the

2007
01:52:16,280 --> 01:52:19,920
Speaker 1: tree when you're tying the the the not, if you'll

2008
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 1: call it that. And so when you cam it down,

2009
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 1: you're you're now creating another four inches of tension or

2010
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,400
Speaker 1: however far it's standing off the tree. Maybe it's like

2011
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:31,360
Speaker 1: three and a half inches and really pushing it out

2012
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 1: to where um it, it's not going anywhere. I mean

2013
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 1: that sucker bites into the tree a pretty good bit. Interesting. Okay,

2014
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 1: So so walk us through the rest of the year. Yeah, yeah,

2015
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 1: So halfway up, we'll get all the way up to

2016
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 1: hunting height. Now we're about you know, three and a

2017
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 1: half to five minutes in. I'll hang my platform on

2018
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:56,880
Speaker 1: the side of the tree that I'm gonna be hunting from. Uh,

2019
01:52:57,000 --> 01:53:00,960
Speaker 1: step up onto that platform, and then I'll take my tether,

2020
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:04,920
Speaker 1: tie my tether off, and clip in. Okay. Now, once

2021
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm clipped in, I have a ropeman as center on

2022
01:53:07,960 --> 01:53:12,679
Speaker 1: my tether. I have also have a prussic knot above

2023
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 1: my ropeman And what I use that for is I

2024
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:19,320
Speaker 1: take my backpack off and I clip my backpack onto

2025
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 1: that prusse ictnot. Then I opened up my backpack. In

2026
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 1: the top of my backpack, I have what a climber

2027
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:32,120
Speaker 1: would call a daisy chain, which is just like a

2028
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, five ft six ft long piece of nylon

2029
01:53:36,240 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 1: that's doubled back on itself in every inch and a

2030
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 1: half or two inches. It's a son loop and on

2031
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:46,320
Speaker 1: the end of that. I have a carabineer and so

2032
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 1: I put that around the tree and clip it on

2033
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:52,680
Speaker 1: whatever loop I need to to make it tight. And

2034
01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 1: I have one of these night eyes. It's an S hook.

2035
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:59,799
Speaker 1: It's a plastic S hook. I think it's a size

2036
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 1: five or size six, and I've taken the wire gate

2037
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 1: out of the bottom one. So I don't know if

2038
01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,080
Speaker 1: you're familiar with what I'm talking about, but it's kind

2039
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 1: of like a large plastic holder that people use in

2040
01:54:11,320 --> 01:54:15,559
Speaker 1: their garage. So I clip that on whatever whatever clip

2041
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:18,439
Speaker 1: I need it for to be right on the left

2042
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 1: hand side of the tree, and then I'll pull my

2043
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:24,200
Speaker 1: bow up and put my bow on the open hook

2044
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: portion of the bottom part. The reason I do this

2045
01:54:27,560 --> 01:54:31,320
Speaker 1: is it's way faster to throw this this little nylon

2046
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: runner around the tree and and use it for a

2047
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: bow holder in my backpack holder. And then it is

2048
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 1: to sit there and screw in a little thingy on

2049
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: two sides of the tree. Uh. So, now that that's up,

2050
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:48,080
Speaker 1: I'll take my backpack off. I'll clip my backpack onto

2051
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 1: the lower, you know, the right hand side portion of

2052
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 1: that that's about at waist height. So now my bows up.

2053
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 1: My bows on the tree. I haven't taken my cam

2054
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 1: cover or knocked arrow or anything. The bows just come

2055
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 1: up the tree. It's hanging there. I got my backpack

2056
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 1: on the tree. Now I pulled my camera arm off,

2057
01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:10,480
Speaker 1: set my camera arm up, take the bow around. I'll

2058
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:14,880
Speaker 1: knock an arrow, you know, take the uh quiver and

2059
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 1: take my little bow cam cover and hang that on

2060
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 1: the back side of my backpack to where they're not

2061
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:23,200
Speaker 1: flopping around on the wind. And then pull my camera out,

2062
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 1: set my camera up, and uh, take my lineman's belt off.

2063
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 1: Now I'm hunting and um. That whole process, going slow

2064
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:38,160
Speaker 1: and smooth, takes me about ten to twelve minutes from ground.

2065
01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:42,320
Speaker 1: Two arrow knocked, releases, clipped on the d loop, ready

2066
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:45,480
Speaker 1: to go. Um, I could do it as like, if

2067
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:47,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't worried about the noise that I'm making, I

2068
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 1: could probably do it in five minutes. But I try

2069
01:55:49,640 --> 01:55:54,040
Speaker 1: to go pretty slow and uh and be as quiet

2070
01:55:54,120 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 1: as as humanly possible. But it's amazing how fast you

2071
01:55:57,560 --> 01:55:59,840
Speaker 1: can fly up the tree once you're comfortable with one

2072
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 1: of the saddles and comfortable with whatever climbing method you choose. Yeah,

2073
01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:07,360
Speaker 1: and would you agree that, especially if you're just getting

2074
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:10,040
Speaker 1: started with this. A key thing to do is practice

2075
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 1: before the season and develop that system and get comfortable

2076
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:16,200
Speaker 1: with it. Yes, and and you know, the cool thing

2077
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 1: about saddles is also what is is kind of hard

2078
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 1: for some people to kind of figure out. So first off,

2079
01:56:23,040 --> 01:56:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, a saddle is is totally customizable. You know, Mark,

2080
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:31,520
Speaker 1: you you started hunting with a saddle this year, and

2081
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:34,640
Speaker 1: I bet your saddle is probably completely differently set up

2082
01:56:34,640 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 1: than my saddle. If we got fifty saddle hunters in

2083
01:56:37,680 --> 01:56:41,160
Speaker 1: a room, we probably all have it set up a

2084
01:56:41,200 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 1: little bit different. And that's because you know, the saddle

2085
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 1: is totally modular and it allows you to kind of

2086
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 1: cater to your wants and needs. Whereas if you look

2087
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 1: at the old lone Wolf system that I used to use,

2088
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:57,280
Speaker 1: like that's all you get. You have sticks, you have

2089
01:56:57,320 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 1: a stand, like, you don't have many options to kind

2090
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:05,040
Speaker 1: of play around with within that medium. Really, so um,

2091
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:07,560
Speaker 1: you need to play around with the saddle at at

2092
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:10,600
Speaker 1: ground height. You need to shoot from one, you know,

2093
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:13,920
Speaker 1: figure out what's comfortable, figure out what's not, and figure

2094
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 1: out what kind of climbing method you're gonna use to

2095
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 1: go from on the ground to whatever your desired hunting

2096
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 1: height is and and hunting. And you also need to

2097
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 1: practice different shot opportunities from the saddle. Um. You know,

2098
01:57:31,160 --> 01:57:33,160
Speaker 1: it's great to be able to hunt with the tree

2099
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:36,800
Speaker 1: directly in front of your face, but you need to

2100
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 1: practice for a right handed shooter, how you're gonna shoot

2101
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:44,240
Speaker 1: to your to your right hand side. And that has

2102
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 1: gotten many guys in trouble for their first couple of

2103
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,960
Speaker 1: saddle huts. I can't tell you how many guys are like, oh, dude,

2104
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:53,560
Speaker 1: I try to saddle and I had to shoot her it,

2105
01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, twenty yards right off my right hip, and

2106
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:59,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how to get them. Um. You know,

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01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:02,120
Speaker 1: with the platform, that's really helped out a lot because

2108
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:04,080
Speaker 1: you can just literally you can just stand up and

2109
01:58:04,120 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: spin around and shoot if you wanted to. UM, And

2110
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:10,360
Speaker 1: you can kind of develop what's comfortable and what's not.

2111
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 1: But but really what you want to develop is that

2112
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 1: confidence in your equipment. Because when you're just hanging there

2113
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 1: with your butt hiked out over the ground with nothing

2114
01:58:21,640 --> 01:58:26,200
Speaker 1: between your button the ground, UM, it's a little scary

2115
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:29,560
Speaker 1: at first to kind of get that confidence in your system.

2116
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm at the point now where like I sleep in

2117
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:33,920
Speaker 1: my saddle. If I get up early and I'm like

2118
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 1: in there an hour before daylight, I'll just you know,

2119
01:58:37,160 --> 01:58:39,480
Speaker 1: put my head kind of down on my hands and

2120
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 1: get it all wrapped up into my bridge and I'll

2121
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 1: take a full on nap. I mean it's I'm super

2122
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:47,720
Speaker 1: comfortable on one, but I've also spent the last ten

2123
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:51,320
Speaker 1: years hunting out of one, uh and and hunting a

2124
01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 1: lot out of one. Yeah, yeah, I can. I can

2125
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:55,800
Speaker 1: attest to that. It does take a take a minute

2126
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,960
Speaker 1: to get used to it, but very quickly I came

2127
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:01,400
Speaker 1: to realize that, uh, that this is going to be

2128
01:59:01,480 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 1: my new thing that I'd be using all the time.

2129
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is nice. Everything you mentioned is true.

2130
01:59:07,320 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 1: But do you have any specific examples of of things

2131
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 1: you've learned over the years as far as how to

2132
01:59:12,680 --> 01:59:16,120
Speaker 1: make a saddle more comfortable or more usable, or anything

2133
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:17,920
Speaker 1: that people should be trying them out in the tree

2134
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:21,800
Speaker 1: when they first first get one. Yeah, I mean I

2135
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:24,040
Speaker 1: really the first thing is what am I going to

2136
01:59:24,120 --> 01:59:28,680
Speaker 1: do with my feet? Right? Because, um, whether you're going

2137
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 1: to use a ring of steps or or use the platform.

2138
01:59:32,920 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I find the platform to be way better

2139
01:59:35,720 --> 01:59:38,920
Speaker 1: for my feet because of the fact that instead of

2140
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:41,640
Speaker 1: just having one point of contact on your foot, you're

2141
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:45,520
Speaker 1: able to have your whole foot kind of balanced out um,

2142
01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:48,880
Speaker 1: which I think is a big deal. After that, you know,

2143
01:59:48,920 --> 01:59:52,160
Speaker 1: you really have to get comfortable with your tether height

2144
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:58,240
Speaker 1: and also where you're connecting to that tether. So tether

2145
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 1: height is where are on the tree are you throwing

2146
02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:05,200
Speaker 1: that rope around the tree in relation to your head.

2147
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:09,240
Speaker 1: I used to throw literally could not get the rope

2148
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:12,880
Speaker 1: high enough up the tree for me to be where

2149
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:15,040
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be. I mean, I I just

2150
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:18,480
Speaker 1: wanted it as high as possible. And with that, you know,

2151
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:21,080
Speaker 1: you're kind of it pulls you more into the tree.

2152
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:24,160
Speaker 1: So if you're a sitter, you know, if you find

2153
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:26,400
Speaker 1: it more comfortable to be sitting into the saddle with

2154
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:29,560
Speaker 1: your knee and the tree, that might be more comfortable.

2155
02:00:30,160 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 1: If you like leaning more, the lower on the tree

2156
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,560
Speaker 1: it is, it's probably the better. And what you're really

2157
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:38,800
Speaker 1: doing is you're you're changing around that triangle. If you're

2158
02:00:38,800 --> 02:00:42,120
Speaker 1: looking at a saddle hunter from the side profile, there's

2159
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:44,440
Speaker 1: kind of a triangle there as to how the weights

2160
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:48,360
Speaker 1: being distributed between the rope around the tree. Your butt

2161
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 1: and then kind of your knees connecting or your feet

2162
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:55,520
Speaker 1: connecting wherever that lower point of contact is. I find

2163
02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:58,400
Speaker 1: it most comfortable for me personally. I used to be

2164
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:00,880
Speaker 1: a sitter. I used to always sit with my knees

2165
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:04,920
Speaker 1: in the tree. Now with the platform, I lean back,

2166
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:09,160
Speaker 1: so I tie the rope around the tree almost at

2167
02:01:09,240 --> 02:01:12,360
Speaker 1: forehead height, maybe at like eyebrow height, and then I'm

2168
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:16,320
Speaker 1: clipping into the saddle and tightening it up to where

2169
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm almost standing like totally vertically. And what what I

2170
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:24,160
Speaker 1: end up at is my knees or maybe slightly bent,

2171
02:01:25,000 --> 02:01:29,160
Speaker 1: and I'm leaning back almost as if you know, I'm

2172
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm almost standing there. Uh you know, maybe the way

2173
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:38,120
Speaker 1: it's probably se in my butt on my feet, and

2174
02:01:38,520 --> 02:01:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm more comfortable in that position then I am in

2175
02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:45,880
Speaker 1: the leather recliner in my in my bow cave. I mean,

2176
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:50,040
Speaker 1: it is super comfortable. But what what guys need to

2177
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:53,360
Speaker 1: do is you have to put the time in in

2178
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:56,760
Speaker 1: the saddle in your yard until you get to that

2179
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,200
Speaker 1: one hour point, because what will happen is you'll sit

2180
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:02,080
Speaker 1: in it. You're like, oh man, this is the bee's knees,

2181
02:02:02,120 --> 02:02:04,560
Speaker 1: this is the ticket. I'm super comfortable, and then you'll

2182
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:06,720
Speaker 1: go hunt in it and by hour or two you're like,

2183
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:09,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm f and miserable. This is brutal,

2184
02:02:09,960 --> 02:02:12,400
Speaker 1: Like it's pinching here and here, and you just need

2185
02:02:12,440 --> 02:02:16,840
Speaker 1: to kind of fine tune it and literally changing where

2186
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:20,880
Speaker 1: that where that connection point is between the bridge of

2187
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:24,040
Speaker 1: the saddle and the and the tether rope by a

2188
02:02:24,120 --> 02:02:26,480
Speaker 1: quarter of an inch or by a half inch, that

2189
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:29,640
Speaker 1: can make all the difference in the world as far

2190
02:02:29,680 --> 02:02:32,400
Speaker 1: as the comfort of a hunt in the same with

2191
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:35,280
Speaker 1: where that tether is tied around the tree. I mean,

2192
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:37,920
Speaker 1: to go from let's say three inches or a fist

2193
02:02:37,960 --> 02:02:42,240
Speaker 1: above head height too nose level is a world of

2194
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:46,240
Speaker 1: difference in comfort. And that's because you know, you're changing

2195
02:02:46,240 --> 02:02:49,320
Speaker 1: the way that you're pulling on your body with the

2196
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:52,880
Speaker 1: gravity of of how the tree is, and that changes

2197
02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:55,920
Speaker 1: a little when the tree is you know, angled to

2198
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:59,240
Speaker 1: some direction as well. So you really just need to

2199
02:02:59,600 --> 02:03:02,640
Speaker 1: get in it and put the time in it, uh

2200
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:05,280
Speaker 1: to figure it out. I mean, did you find that

2201
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:09,839
Speaker 1: in your saddle hunting kind of endeavor this season? How

2202
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:12,600
Speaker 1: how changing an inch could really make the difference in

2203
02:03:12,640 --> 02:03:15,920
Speaker 1: a in a comfort level, huge, huge difference that was.

2204
02:03:16,280 --> 02:03:18,760
Speaker 1: It was all those little tiny micro tweaks that would

2205
02:03:18,840 --> 02:03:21,760
Speaker 1: change things up. Now, I still I still found myself.

2206
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:24,120
Speaker 1: I definitely had a handful of things, Like I knew

2207
02:03:24,120 --> 02:03:26,680
Speaker 1: where I wanted my tether at. I knew I liked

2208
02:03:26,680 --> 02:03:29,240
Speaker 1: it pretty tight. I was more of a standard um.

2209
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 1: But I would sometimes, especially like all days sits during

2210
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,800
Speaker 1: the rut, those long sits, I would find myself sometimes

2211
02:03:34,800 --> 02:03:37,000
Speaker 1: just changing things up so that the tension was in

2212
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:40,120
Speaker 1: different places. So after sitting in one kind of certain

2213
02:03:40,200 --> 02:03:42,480
Speaker 1: way for four hours, then I would lower the tether,

2214
02:03:42,640 --> 02:03:45,640
Speaker 1: I bring my ropeman down the tether um and then

2215
02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:47,960
Speaker 1: I'd be more of a sitter for a while. UM.

2216
02:03:48,120 --> 02:03:50,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes I would kind of turn and put both my

2217
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:52,480
Speaker 1: legs to the left side of the trunk and kind

2218
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:55,800
Speaker 1: of do that side saddle move, and then I would reposition.

2219
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,440
Speaker 1: And having the platform is really nice because sometimes you

2220
02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:00,920
Speaker 1: could just stand for a while, and I think, you know,

2221
02:04:02,240 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 1: playing around with different things, switching things up every once

2222
02:04:04,680 --> 02:04:06,920
Speaker 1: in a while does help make it more comfortable, because

2223
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:10,160
Speaker 1: I do think that if you stayed in one specific

2224
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 1: position the entire time, you know, at least for me,

2225
02:04:13,240 --> 02:04:15,160
Speaker 1: there were times that you, like you said, you get

2226
02:04:15,160 --> 02:04:19,600
Speaker 1: those pinches, different things on those lines, but the the

2227
02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:24,640
Speaker 1: versatility allowed with the saddle makes it makes it as

2228
02:04:24,640 --> 02:04:26,800
Speaker 1: comfortable as it can be. Like, if you're willing to

2229
02:04:26,840 --> 02:04:29,000
Speaker 1: tweak things and ad just as needed as you figure

2230
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:30,920
Speaker 1: it out, that's how you're gonna make it comfortable. If

2231
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:33,040
Speaker 1: you just take it out of the box when you

2232
02:04:33,080 --> 02:04:34,400
Speaker 1: bought it, or take it out of the bag and

2233
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:36,320
Speaker 1: slap it on and head up into a tree and

2234
02:04:36,360 --> 02:04:40,200
Speaker 1: just sit there, you might be miserable because you didn't

2235
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:43,320
Speaker 1: tweak and adjust and find out what's right for your

2236
02:04:43,320 --> 02:04:45,440
Speaker 1: comfort level. So I think your spot on, I think

2237
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:50,440
Speaker 1: those um that learning experience is really important. Yeah. I

2238
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:53,200
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. You really need to take the time

2239
02:04:53,240 --> 02:04:55,000
Speaker 1: to to play with it. I've had a lot of

2240
02:04:55,000 --> 02:04:57,560
Speaker 1: guys they're like, how do you come from the sing?

2241
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:00,080
Speaker 1: This thing is miserable and it felt like a some

2242
02:05:00,240 --> 02:05:02,880
Speaker 1: archaic torture device. While I was I was hunting in

2243
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:05,080
Speaker 1: it and like, well, dude, you need to need to

2244
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:06,480
Speaker 1: figure out. I mean, I was talking to one guy

2245
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:09,400
Speaker 1: at a t A and he was explaining where he

2246
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:12,640
Speaker 1: was wearing the saddle and it was basically around his armpits,

2247
02:05:12,760 --> 02:05:17,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, you just I don't know

2248
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:19,960
Speaker 1: how you guys draw in this thing. I mean it's miserable,

2249
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, Like, well, dude, you know, of course you're

2250
02:05:22,680 --> 02:05:25,800
Speaker 1: wearing it like a bra instead of like like under

2251
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:30,520
Speaker 1: your butt. Man, what do you expect? Man? Yeah, But

2252
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:32,960
Speaker 1: but as long as you tinker around with it and

2253
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:37,040
Speaker 1: try to figure out the um, what's comfortable for you

2254
02:05:37,160 --> 02:05:39,800
Speaker 1: and and again what's comfortable for me might not be

2255
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:42,520
Speaker 1: comfortable for you and and everybody else because we all

2256
02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:46,960
Speaker 1: have different kind of builds and in different ways that

2257
02:05:47,000 --> 02:05:50,160
Speaker 1: we feel comfortable. So really kind of messing around with

2258
02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:53,400
Speaker 1: different different stuff is what really gets you there. I

2259
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:55,720
Speaker 1: find that I end up kind of with like one

2260
02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:59,120
Speaker 1: foot on the platform, one on the tree, and kind

2261
02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:03,520
Speaker 1: of like changing that around. Um, just changing that that

2262
02:06:03,600 --> 02:06:06,600
Speaker 1: pressure point and really help with comfort, especially on long

2263
02:06:06,680 --> 02:06:10,720
Speaker 1: day sits. But you're right, the versatility is is the

2264
02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:12,680
Speaker 1: reason that I hunt from one. I mean I can

2265
02:06:12,760 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 1: hunt any tree in the woods, not just you know,

2266
02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:18,080
Speaker 1: you get to a spot and you're like, Okay, here's

2267
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:20,720
Speaker 1: where I want to hunt. But I can't use that one,

2268
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:23,800
Speaker 1: can't use that one. I can't use that one. I

2269
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:26,840
Speaker 1: mean I've been in some trees that are smaller around

2270
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:30,840
Speaker 1: than my thigh and and had no issue with it

2271
02:06:30,880 --> 02:06:32,800
Speaker 1: other than when the wind's blowing, I'm like, this thing

2272
02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:36,640
Speaker 1: might snap in half. But what I mean, um, you

2273
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:39,080
Speaker 1: have to hunt where you where you need to in

2274
02:06:39,200 --> 02:06:43,840
Speaker 1: order to kill the deer. Yeah, I really, Um, I

2275
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:46,440
Speaker 1: was converted. I've been intrigued by it for a long time,

2276
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:50,720
Speaker 1: finally took the diet this year, and the saddle hunting

2277
02:06:50,760 --> 02:06:53,280
Speaker 1: community now has my heart. I've fallen for it, and

2278
02:06:53,640 --> 02:06:56,440
Speaker 1: uh it's It's something I'll be using for a long time,

2279
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:59,040
Speaker 1: I think. So it's interesting to hear how you're using

2280
02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:01,680
Speaker 1: it though, in this kind of urban scenario where you

2281
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:04,960
Speaker 1: have to hunt so many different places, and this seems

2282
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:08,400
Speaker 1: to be the perfect tool for the job. So um,

2283
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:12,160
Speaker 1: well we are. We're only like halfway through the various

2284
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:15,360
Speaker 1: things I was wanting to talk about, but we've covered

2285
02:07:15,400 --> 02:07:18,320
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting grounds, so I think we probably

2286
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:20,520
Speaker 1: should wrap it up before we get to uh a

2287
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:24,080
Speaker 1: seven hour podcast. Um um, if you want, if you

2288
02:07:24,160 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 1: have any other like pressing things on your list or whatever,

2289
02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm happy to like rapid fire some of them. Well

2290
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:31,680
Speaker 1: we might we might just need to circle back again

2291
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:38,080
Speaker 1: another time too, But let's let's do this. Is there

2292
02:07:38,120 --> 02:07:41,920
Speaker 1: any one thing that that is like a burning topic

2293
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:44,040
Speaker 1: in your mind that you always like to leave folks

2294
02:07:44,120 --> 02:07:46,480
Speaker 1: with when you're talking about this whole urban hunting deal

2295
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:48,520
Speaker 1: or saddle hunting for that matter, Since we kind of

2296
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:51,160
Speaker 1: touched on both, is there anything we've missed that people

2297
02:07:51,200 --> 02:07:53,280
Speaker 1: really need to know about before they take the dive

2298
02:07:53,320 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 1: into either one of these types of going going about it? No, man,

2299
02:07:57,680 --> 02:08:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean, um, and we really covered a lot of it.

2300
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:03,880
Speaker 1: The you know, I don't want to scare guys off

2301
02:08:03,960 --> 02:08:07,280
Speaker 1: from from urban hunting. I mean, there's there's an incredible

2302
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:11,720
Speaker 1: opportunity out there no matter where you live to try

2303
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,360
Speaker 1: and you know, more likely than not, there's a deer

2304
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:20,520
Speaker 1: problem in those urban or suburban areas, and um, you know,

2305
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:23,520
Speaker 1: it only takes a little bit of research or just

2306
02:08:23,600 --> 02:08:30,040
Speaker 1: reaching out to your local you know, legislation enforcement, you know,

2307
02:08:30,040 --> 02:08:32,800
Speaker 1: whether that's game wardens or police officers or whatever, and

2308
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:36,600
Speaker 1: kind of looking at, um if you're able to discharge

2309
02:08:36,600 --> 02:08:39,200
Speaker 1: a bow there and hunt the deer, and if you can,

2310
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, get out there and try it, because it's

2311
02:08:43,080 --> 02:08:45,880
Speaker 1: a great fun way to hunt. I mean, I'm able

2312
02:08:45,920 --> 02:08:48,200
Speaker 1: to go out and hunt any day of the year.

2313
02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:50,880
Speaker 1: When I found out that my wife was pregnant last year,

2314
02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:53,920
Speaker 1: I kind of had a little worries. I'm freak out

2315
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:55,280
Speaker 1: where I'm like, oh my god, I'm never gonna be

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02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:58,040
Speaker 1: able to hunt over again. And I literally hunted every

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02:08:58,120 --> 02:09:01,000
Speaker 1: day that the weather wasn't completely miss your bowl. I

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02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:03,040
Speaker 1: think I hunted like two d thirty five, two hundred

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Speaker 1: forty days last year. And I mean I'm doing that

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Speaker 1: within a fifteen minute driving my house or ten minute drive.

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Speaker 1: I mean some some places I'm driving to, I mean

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02:09:13,480 --> 02:09:15,960
Speaker 1: it's literally five minutes. I could walk there if I

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Speaker 1: really needed to. And you know, you have this incredible

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Speaker 1: opportunity where you know, it's funny that when I moved

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Speaker 1: back to this area from college, I'm like, man, this sucks.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not gonna be able to do all

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Speaker 1: this outdoor stuff that I used to love so much.

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Speaker 1: And I ended up in this like amazing little deer

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Speaker 1: hunting nirvana that I didn't even know about or think

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Speaker 1: about at the time. So if you can keep an

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02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:43,680
Speaker 1: open mind, you you might realize that some of the

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02:09:43,720 --> 02:09:47,040
Speaker 1: best hunting is where you least expect it. And you know,

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02:09:47,240 --> 02:09:50,440
Speaker 1: is this Iowa is in Kansas. No, it's far from it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, once you kind of get into the

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Speaker 1: urban hunting and realize the opportunity that's there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm a member of a hunt club that's like US Acres,

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Speaker 1: about forty minutes from my house, and it's you know,

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Speaker 1: qt May Managed. It's phenomenal hunting ground. It's just awesome.

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Speaker 1: And I hunted there one time this year because I

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02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:15,280
Speaker 1: like the urban hunts. You know, it feels weird to

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02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:18,160
Speaker 1: me when I'm not in somebody's backyard or in the

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02:10:18,200 --> 02:10:21,360
Speaker 1: floodplane behind the houses. You know, it's just you get

2343
02:10:21,400 --> 02:10:25,560
Speaker 1: to see so many deer and see so much activity,

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02:10:25,680 --> 02:10:31,360
Speaker 1: and you have just an unbelievable amount of of targets. Um,

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02:10:31,400 --> 02:10:33,800
Speaker 1: it's hard to pass that up. Yeah, I can understand

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02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:38,160
Speaker 1: that for sure. So two last really quick things. Number one,

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02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:40,480
Speaker 1: can you tell folks really quick about Hunters for the

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Speaker 1: Hungry because I know that's a program that you contribute

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02:10:43,160 --> 02:10:45,600
Speaker 1: to a lot. And then after that, can you just

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02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:49,160
Speaker 1: give us a quick idea of where we can follow

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02:10:49,200 --> 02:10:51,800
Speaker 1: you online or see what you're up to. Yeah? Sure,

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02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:55,160
Speaker 1: So Hunters for the Hungry is this phenomenal program. Uh,

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02:10:55,200 --> 02:10:59,680
Speaker 1: it's actually a private organization that's partnered up with UM

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02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:02,600
Speaker 1: all of the butchers in Virginia. Right, it's kind of

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02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:08,360
Speaker 1: a blanket, blanketly open UH program that that the butchers

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02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:11,720
Speaker 1: are able to participate in. And what they do is

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02:11:12,080 --> 02:11:15,320
Speaker 1: they pay the butcher to process the deer, so they

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02:11:15,320 --> 02:11:18,160
Speaker 1: have a deal with the butcher. So as a hunter,

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02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:21,560
Speaker 1: you're able to just take your animal fuel dressed to

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02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:25,280
Speaker 1: any butcher that's participating in the program, drop it off,

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02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,360
Speaker 1: not a penny out of your pocket. You just say, hey, thanks,

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02:11:28,680 --> 02:11:32,160
Speaker 1: have a good one, and they will process that deer

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02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:35,879
Speaker 1: and and take all of the meat from that deer

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02:11:36,760 --> 02:11:39,280
Speaker 1: along with all the other deer that have been donated

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02:11:39,280 --> 02:11:41,480
Speaker 1: to hunters from the Hungary and they will provide it

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02:11:41,800 --> 02:11:46,200
Speaker 1: to various homeless shelters and UH food banks for people

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02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:49,480
Speaker 1: in need or people that are less fortunate. So UM

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02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:54,240
Speaker 1: absolutely phenomenal program to be able to take, you know,

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02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:58,840
Speaker 1: all these deer that people are harvesting and and use

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02:11:58,920 --> 02:12:00,720
Speaker 1: them for good because I'm mean, what am I gonna

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02:12:00,760 --> 02:12:04,080
Speaker 1: do with seventy plus white tail here? Yeah, And I

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02:12:04,080 --> 02:12:07,000
Speaker 1: think especially in a situation like you're in in a

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02:12:08,040 --> 02:12:11,640
Speaker 1: large metro area where you know there's a lot of

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02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:14,680
Speaker 1: people in need. I think you're you're doing something pretty

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02:12:14,680 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 1: special in that area. Absolutely, yeah, and and I mean, um,

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02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:21,040
Speaker 1: it's not just me, it's every hunter around here to

2377
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:23,880
Speaker 1: to be able to to help all of those people

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02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:27,000
Speaker 1: in need. I mean, we have a large homeless population

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02:12:27,200 --> 02:12:30,560
Speaker 1: in d C obviously and also throughout in northern Virginia.

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02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:33,640
Speaker 1: And you don't just have to be homeless to need food.

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02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:36,200
Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of people that are just, uh,

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02:12:36,280 --> 02:12:39,160
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, in need of of some assistance. And

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02:12:39,200 --> 02:12:41,920
Speaker 1: to be able to help that is, um is priceless.

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02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:45,560
Speaker 1: So that's awesome. So then, uh, all that said, where

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02:12:45,600 --> 02:12:48,240
Speaker 1: can we see what you're up to on the web? Yeah,

2386
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:52,800
Speaker 1: so on Instagram on both hunt at Hunt Urban and

2387
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:56,960
Speaker 1: also at Urban Bowman are are my two little feeds

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02:12:57,000 --> 02:12:59,840
Speaker 1: on there. And then on YouTube we have a channel

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02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:03,920
Speaker 1: called um Hunts Urban that putting a lot of vog

2390
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:07,160
Speaker 1: style urban hunts out on that are pretty cool, as

2391
02:13:07,200 --> 02:13:09,480
Speaker 1: well as some tips and tricks and things you pick

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02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:12,400
Speaker 1: up on when you hunt and fifty plus days a year.

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02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:15,560
Speaker 1: And I checked out your YouTube channel saw your most

2394
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:18,720
Speaker 1: recent videos. I really like them. So anyone out there

2395
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:21,640
Speaker 1: who's intrigued by what Taylor is talking about check that

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02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:24,480
Speaker 1: out for sure. So Taylor, thank you so much for

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02:13:24,520 --> 02:13:27,040
Speaker 1: taking the time to do this. Uh. If I lived

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02:13:27,120 --> 02:13:29,400
Speaker 1: closer to an urban area, I would be trying it

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02:13:29,440 --> 02:13:31,920
Speaker 1: out for sure. This sounds a lot of fun. Hey man,

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02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:34,160
Speaker 1: come on down. I got plenty of open bedrooms and

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02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:37,360
Speaker 1: plenty of plenty of critters to Flynn carbon at, so

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02:13:38,200 --> 02:13:39,760
Speaker 1: I might take you up on that. The the d

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02:13:39,880 --> 02:13:43,480
Speaker 1: C Hunt is very intriguing. It's it's a unique one,

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02:13:43,480 --> 02:13:46,280
Speaker 1: to say the least awesome. Alright, Taylor, good luck the

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Speaker 1: rest of this year. Thank you, thanks for having and

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02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:51,640
Speaker 1: that is going to be it. I hope you enjoyed

2407
02:13:51,680 --> 02:13:53,880
Speaker 1: that one. I'm gonna leave you guys with one quick

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02:13:54,200 --> 02:13:56,960
Speaker 1: heads up or announcement. Uh, if you're listening to this

2409
02:13:57,000 --> 02:14:00,880
Speaker 1: when it just came out Thursday, Valentine's Day, February four,

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02:14:01,760 --> 02:14:06,320
Speaker 1: next week Friday, So that's February twenty second, I believe

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02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:11,040
Speaker 1: is the Live Meat Eater podcast in Kalamazoo, Michigan. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be at that one speaking there, and there's going

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02:14:14,040 --> 02:14:18,080
Speaker 1: to be an event before the podcast put on by

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02:14:18,400 --> 02:14:20,840
Speaker 1: a couple of my favorite organizations, the back Country Hunters

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02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:24,240
Speaker 1: and Anglers and the Equality Deer Management Association. This is

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02:14:24,240 --> 02:14:27,400
Speaker 1: like a live pre party or meat Eator podcast or

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02:14:27,480 --> 02:14:30,360
Speaker 1: live pre party, uh for folks that are gonna go

2418
02:14:30,360 --> 02:14:32,160
Speaker 1: to the show, or folks who couldn't get tickets to

2419
02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:33,680
Speaker 1: the show which want to come and hang out. There's

2420
02:14:33,680 --> 02:14:36,080
Speaker 1: gonna be food, there's gonna be raffle prizes, there's gonna

2421
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:39,200
Speaker 1: be all sorts of cool stuff. They're giving away a rifle,

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02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:41,919
Speaker 1: they're giving away some optics, They're giving away gift cards,

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02:14:42,240 --> 02:14:44,920
Speaker 1: some weird hunt swag, all sorts of stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: So this is at let's see here five to seven

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Speaker 1: thirty pm on the twenty two at Harvey's on the Mall.

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02:14:52,720 --> 02:14:55,360
Speaker 1: And that's supposedly right next to the venue where the

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Speaker 1: show is going to be, so check that out February

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Speaker 1: twenty two before the Mediator Live podcast. Should be a

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02:15:01,120 --> 02:15:04,440
Speaker 1: good time. And with that little announcement out of the way,

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Speaker 1: I just want to thank you all for being here

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02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:08,240
Speaker 1: with me. I want to wish all of your luck.

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02:15:08,240 --> 02:15:11,360
Speaker 1: If you're out there looking for antlers or hanging tree stands,

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02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:13,800
Speaker 1: or doing some kind of work on your hunting property

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02:15:13,800 --> 02:15:15,720
Speaker 1: of choice, I hope you're having a good time. And

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Speaker 1: until next time, stay Wired, Don