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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to step Mom? Never told you?

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Speaker 1: From House top works dot com. Hello book the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Molly and I'm Kristen. Kristen. I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: regular listeners in the podcast now that we end every

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Speaker 1: episode talking about our email address, our Facebook page, our Twitter, Twitter,

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Speaker 1: our blog. We work for an internet site, House to

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Speaker 1: Parks dot com. We work for the interweb. We are

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Speaker 1: we are wired. Dare I say we are on the

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Speaker 1: information highway? Such when my old laptop won't connect to

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Speaker 1: the Internet, That's true, you do have a lot of

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Speaker 1: laptop problem having some connectivity issues. But I think that

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Speaker 1: makes us pretty well suited to talk about differences between

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Speaker 1: men and women in using the Internet. Is there is

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Speaker 1: there a more no brainer topic for us Internet women

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Speaker 1: I think not. I'm sure. Actually there are topics to cover,

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Speaker 1: but that's what we're going to cover today. And uh,

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Speaker 1: We've got to start with a pretty comprehensive look at

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Speaker 1: men and women on the Internet that came to us

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Speaker 1: from PU the Pe Research Center in two thousand five. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is coming from the Pew Internet in American Life

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Speaker 1: survey that took place between March two thousand and September

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Speaker 1: two thousand five, and while there has been a little

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Speaker 1: Transaction is the key word. Transactional is how men are

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