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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Thursday, March twenty six. This

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Speaker 1: set up to be a big day in Washington. The

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Speaker 1: last person believe to see Jeffrey Epstein alive schedule to

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Speaker 1: give testimony in the Epstein investigation. However, she won't be

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Speaker 1: there with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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Speaker 1: This is a person, this is the name who, for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, hasn't been focused on that much. But Robes,

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Speaker 1: when we talk about the last person to see Epstein alive,

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Speaker 1: that makes you sit up and pay attention.

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Speaker 2: It certainly does.

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Speaker 3: And this guard Tovin Noel, has been in the headlines

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Speaker 3: for quite some time since Jeffrey Epstein's death, and lawmakers

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Speaker 3: say and have said publicly, they have a lot of

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Speaker 3: questions for her. In fact, the chairman of the House

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Speaker 3: Oversight Committee said, there is a mystery surrounding some of

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Speaker 3: the information that they have learned through the unseiling of

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Speaker 3: the Epstein documents that they need answers to, specifically that

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Speaker 3: tob Noel alone can answer. So, yes, she was supposed

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Speaker 3: to be testifying today in front of that committee.

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Speaker 1: So this was the schedule. Yes, that same committee that

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Speaker 1: brought in the Clintons. Yes, those folks the Oversight Committee

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Speaker 1: headed up by Komer, the Republican, you know the group

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Speaker 1: we're talking about. But they have been doing this investigation

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Speaker 1: of the investigation essentially, so they've been calling various folks

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Speaker 1: in invited her in, scheduled it for today. Was supposed

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Speaker 1: to happen today. Now her attorney and this to the

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Speaker 1: last minute robes we were on you could argue the

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Speaker 1: going to show up. We did finally get the heads

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Speaker 1: up last night robes that she's not coming. This was

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Speaker 1: through her attorney, you said her.

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Speaker 3: Yes, her attorney said she will not appear at all

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Speaker 3: this week, although it was anticipated, highly anticipated it was

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Speaker 3: going to be today, but that the Houseoversight Committee is

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Speaker 3: communicating with negotiating with her attorney, and James Comer said

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Speaker 3: that he will subpoena her if he has to.

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Speaker 1: So we will see her later.

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Speaker 2: We will see her later.

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Speaker 1: She'll get compelled now, Tovin, Noel, Why is she's such

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Speaker 1: a big deal? Yeses, we say, just she's the last

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Speaker 1: one to see Epstein alive. All the questions around. Some

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Speaker 1: people will never ever ever believe that he died by suicide,

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Speaker 1: but she is the last person to see him alive.

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Speaker 1: So Comber, let's take these point by point. The few

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Speaker 1: things that are in question for him. These things have

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Speaker 1: been out there, some have, I guess we got more

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Speaker 1: detail about through the Epstein files that were released. But

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Speaker 1: the suspicious stuff, if you will, that she was up to.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So there are specific things that they have outlined

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Speaker 3: that they want answers to. First of all, the searches

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Speaker 3: up to discovering Jeffrey Epstein's body. They also want to

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Speaker 3: know why she deposited five thousand dollars days before Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: Epstein was found dead. And they want to know what

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Speaker 3: she knows about this orange blob that is seen now

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Speaker 3: on some of this newly released surveillance video the night

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Speaker 3: of Epstein's death, So we can get into Those are

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Speaker 3: the three main things they want answers to, and frankly,

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Speaker 3: it is mysterious are they used? It is though when

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Speaker 2: There have been conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, most a lot of people do not believe people

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.

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Speaker 2: They believe or died by suicide.

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Speaker 3: They believe that he was killed by someone because he

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Speaker 3: knew too much. There were too many high powered, powerful

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Speaker 1: There's nothing anybody that answer will never come. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: there is nothing we can do. We can have full

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Speaker 1: video of him doing every single step to take his

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, we've gotten to a point with this

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Speaker 1: story that nothing is believable. Nothing is going to satisfy

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Speaker 1: either side truth excuse me, the facts we will never

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Speaker 1: know because everybody's got their own truth. So here we

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Speaker 1: go again. Here it's Tovin Noel. Now what were the searches?

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Speaker 1: All right, none of these are smoking gun things, but

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Speaker 1: if you're a conspiracy theorist, you will listen to these.

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Speaker 3: And go aha, Yes, I actually think the searches are

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Speaker 2: So we'll get those out of the way.

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Speaker 3: But at five point forty two am on August tenth,

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Speaker 3: the day that Epstein was found dead, she searched latest

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Speaker 3: to ask her, why were you search that on Google

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Speaker 3: at five point forty two in the morning, just a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to get to the bottom of this.

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Speaker 1: These are the tough questions that need to be asked

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Speaker 3: So the searches, to me, are not as big of

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Speaker 3: a deal the cash deposits are. So there were twelve

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Speaker 3: cash deposits from April of twenty eighteen, the last one

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Speaker 3: made on July thirtieth of twenty nineteen. Remember, Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 3: was found in his cell on August tenth, so those

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Speaker 3: are you know, that's within ten days of him dying

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Speaker 3: by suicide. She put a five thousand dollars deposit. Now,

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Speaker 3: the interesting thing is her bank reported those deposits to

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Speaker 3: the FBI as quote unquote suspicious activity, and we don't

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Speaker 3: really know why. So they are going to ask her

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Speaker 3: where did that money come from? How did you suddenly

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't the answer be none of your damn business? Are

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Speaker 1: you're accusing me of something? I got nothing to talk about. Why? Okay,

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Speaker 1: you got money we don't think you should have, and

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Speaker 1: you were in somewhere close proximity to Epstein. Now, the

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Speaker 1: detail being left out ropes all of these transactions happened

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Speaker 1: before the man even got arrested. There was only one

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Speaker 1: of these transactions, one.

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Speaker 3: Of the five thousand dollars was on July thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the man wasn't in jail. All these deposits they're

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Speaker 1: talking about, So why is it suspicious that this woman

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Speaker 1: gets paid all this money before the man even we

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Speaker 3: Because someone knew he was going to end up in

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm saying, all those payments we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the main one that they're concerned about is that

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Speaker 1: Okay, all the other ones had significant they were that

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about we're grabbing everything. Don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong, I don't know what this woman did in

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Speaker 1: their fine, but it's crazy that this story and every

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Speaker 1: ah ha right, so yes, well listen, rookie guard. How

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Speaker 1: long has she been on this?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, but look at it like this, At

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Speaker 3: the very least it the hope is perhaps that they

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Speaker 3: can stop hounding this woman. They can stop maybe some

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Speaker 2: To rest hear.

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Speaker 3: What she has to say now, I will say that

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Speaker 3: James Comer did say his quote was specifically about the payments.

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Speaker 3: He said, it's a mystery, and that's something according to

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Speaker 3: So they said, no one has asked her these questions,

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Speaker 3: it's about time someone did. And he also said, no

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: Ask away, but it's also fair for her to say

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Speaker 1: it's none of your damn business where my money came from. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you all want to excuse me of something, start

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Speaker 1: a criminal investigations the pin of my bank, knock yourself out.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, to clear up what there's no

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Speaker 2: Okay, you want to talk about the orange blob.

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Speaker 1: Don't even get me started on the orange blob, the

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So this is one of the videos that was released

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Speaker 3: in the big Epstein dump, and you can see a

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Speaker 2: Here's the problem.

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Speaker 3: The problem, they're all inmates were locked in for the

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Speaker 3: night by then, this is ten forty pm. An orange

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Speaker 3: blob would imply that it was an inmate, right because

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Speaker 3: they're the ones who wear orange. So here are the

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Speaker 2: Maybe someone was being brought in.

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Speaker 3: But the problem is, yes, inmates weren't supposed to be

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Speaker 2: It does look like did you see it? It's it's

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Speaker 2: hard to tell. What what did you see?

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Speaker 1: Nothing?

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Speaker 2: You saw an orange blob? Though I saw nothing? You

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Speaker 1: Saw orange? What? Yeah? Yeah? Okay, So so the theory

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Speaker 1: is what the smoking gun there is what?

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Speaker 3: According to the conspiracy theorist would say that someone either

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Speaker 2: Cell and kill him and make it look like a suicide.

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Speaker 3: Now, in a report that night, they talked about staffing failures, right,

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Speaker 2: That did not happen.

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Speaker 3: But the belief is that maybe someone went up there,

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Speaker 3: whoever that orange blob is, and killed him.

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Speaker 1: Didn't they explain the orange blob. I thought there was

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Speaker 1: an answer.

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Speaker 2: The staffing failures.

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Speaker 3: They thought that Noel actually was carrying linen or clothing

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Speaker 3: to an inmate around that time, whether it was Epstein

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Speaker 3: an inmate. She says she did not. She says she

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Speaker 3: did not give new linen to anyone. She says that

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Speaker 1: Ooh, so who was it? Robes, that must be the killer.

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Speaker 3: Epstein had extra linen and clothing in his cell on

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Speaker 3: the morning he died, and no one knows why. I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying, okay, what the conspiracy is. We've got to

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Speaker 1: Okay, forgive my sarcasm in my centism here, but this

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Speaker 1: will never ever end. And yes, I think the importance

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Speaker 1: of this Robes. Yes, if it turns out that someone

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Speaker 2: Period. End of story.

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Speaker 3: But when we come back, we're going to talk about,

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Speaker 3: Is the killer is the killer of Jeffrey Epstein. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Yes, they were charged for being terrible at their jobs

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Speaker 3: I think the word was when they found Jeffrey Epstein alive,

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Speaker 1: They found him dead? Yees, so early they found him alive?

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Speaker 2: I made me Robach alongside TJ. Holmes. We have your

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