1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio KA. 2 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: Welcome to Ridiculous History. Thanks again as always for tuning in, folks. 3 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Shout out to our super producer, Casey the Crow Pegrams. 4 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: Shout out to our guest producer Andrew the Raven Howard. 5 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: Uh they called me Ben, I I didn't think of 6 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: bird nicknames for the for us. That's that's as far 7 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: as I got. You know, I'm triggered by bird nicknames. Ben, 8 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for for going giving me one. No, of course, Noll, 9 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: of course. This is Uh. This is an interesting episode 10 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: for both of us today because as you know, ride 11 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: or die nol is. You know you're you're not a 12 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: fan of birds for some I would say, some perfectly 13 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: valid reasons. Well, I mean it depends, you know. I 14 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: think it's possible that I have a manufactured, implanted memory 15 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: of being dive bomb attacked by seagulls at the beach 16 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: with my grandfather as a youth, But that may or 17 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: may not have actually happened. It might just be one 18 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: of the story I tell myself to explain my fear 19 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: of birds. I was talking about this with my girl 20 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: for the other night. I think I'm more afraid of 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: like land walking birds that can really come at you, 22 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: you know, with wobbly goose type necks, or like ostriches 23 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: and stuff, or shoe bill yeah, exactly, or like an 24 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: emu or god forbid, a castuary. You ever seen those monsters. 25 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: They can apparently disembowl you with a single claw, like 26 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: in the Jurassic Park the book. I didn't make it 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: to the movie, but yeah, there's kind of like weird dinosaurs. 28 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: And but I know that you're a fan of the corvids, 29 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: and we've talked about this multiple times on this and 30 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: other shows. Um, I think it's a dream of yours 31 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: to one day command an army of corvitte that can 32 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: do your bidding, but you would do stuff for them too, 33 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: would be like a quid pro quote type arrangement. Yeah. Yeah, 34 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm fascinated by the study of what is 35 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: called non human intelligence, and corvids are brilliant. I just 36 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: want to hang out with them. I want to have 37 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: a Corvid crew, and I'd prefer ravens, but you know, 38 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: I will accept crows. Uh. The at the most extreme version. 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: It reminds me of the television adaptation of True Blood. Uh. Spoilers, 40 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: there's a weird subplot as this show declined in quality 41 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: about a vampire who has kind of created this relationship 42 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: with werewolves and it's a symbiotic relationship and maybe maybe 43 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: it would be something like that with crows. But today's 44 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 1: episode is about a guy named Dr. T. W. Stallings 45 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: who completely fundamentally disagrees with my, uh, with my opinion 46 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 1: of crows. No, this guy hated them. Well, I mean, 47 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: to be fair, Ben, You're not a farmer during the 48 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: Great Depression, so crows are not really wreck in your 49 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: shop the way they were, uh Dr T. W. Stallings 50 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: and many other folks who were desperately in need of 51 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: a bountiful harvest. Right. So, in the nineteen thirties, crows, 52 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: as in Western civilization in general outside of of Ben 53 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: for the most part, were viewed as disease vectors. You know, 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: often have bad reputations in terms of superstition, like black cats. Um, 55 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: sort of like this uh concept of the lore of 56 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: the of the crow as being some sort of familiar 57 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: to like the devil or like you know, witches or 58 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: were warlocks or whatever. But most importantly, they were crop stealers. 59 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: I think we all know about the scarecrow. That's a 60 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: thing probably was successful in varying degrees. You think they 61 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: would have gotten used to it them being so smart 62 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: and all right, then yeah, that's the thing. Part of 63 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: the reason that crows and ravens can be such pest 64 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: is because they are intelligent enough to think ahead and 65 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: to plan more efficient ways to steal things basically, And 66 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: so yeah, you're you're absolutely right, dude, to a crow 67 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: or raven. You know, any kind of corvid might be 68 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: scared off by a human like figure or effigy in 69 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: a field for a short amount of time, but once 70 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: they realize, hey, this thing looks like a person but 71 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't move, then it's just another tree basically, then 72 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,559 Speaker 1: they're all about it totally. And I think the most 73 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: recent appearance of corvid's in our podcast life was on 74 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: a Strange News episode of Stuff That I Want You 75 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: to Know, where we discussed a study that showed that 76 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: corvids actually have something called meta cognition, which is something 77 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: that humans have, which that's apart from their animals. Metic 78 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: cognition is quite literally thinking about thinking. So to your point, 79 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: then they can plan, they can observe, and they can 80 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: change their behavior accordingly, which is not not something to 81 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: sneeze at, you know, for a for a tiny what 82 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 1: what some people might malign as like bird brains or whatever. 83 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: You know, that is not a thing with these guys, 84 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: right right, And you know, honestly, they are exceptional in 85 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: the avian field, but they've used their powers for trickery 86 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: and to get over on humans. So it does make 87 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: sense that Dr. T. W. Stallings and many other people 88 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma in the nineteen thirties, as he said, would 89 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: not care for these birds. It's already a very difficult 90 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: proposition to be a farmer, even if there is not 91 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: a crushing economic depression under way. So our episode today 92 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: concerns Dr. Stallings push throughout the state of Oklahoma to 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: get more of his fellow Oklahoma residents to start hunting 94 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: and eating crows. Yeah, and eventually Oklahoma's governor even got 95 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: in on the mix. He founded something called the State 96 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: House Crow Meat Lovers Association. And you know, Noel, you 97 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: and I both love uh talking about food. We're both 98 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: adventurous eaters. Um, we're gonna have to get to ah, 99 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to get through some of the problems 100 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: with eating crow. I think I think we are. And 101 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: I gotta say, the crow meat Lover's pizza sounds like 102 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: the worst pizza ever of all time. Oh god, yeah, 103 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: unless it's spoiled meat and it's a pizza just for crows. Yeah, 104 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: maybe with also like milk curds sprinkled on top or something. Um, 105 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: you know. We gotta remember though, in addition to all 106 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: this crow hate, you know, literally just wanting to kill 107 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: them because they were screwing up people's crops. It was 108 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: the Great Depression and meat was scarce, so any meat 109 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: you could get would be considered like a premium kind 110 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: of like that. Even like, you know, typically people were 111 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: subsisting on things like you know, dry goods like beans 112 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: and pasta and and uh, you know, hominy for example, 113 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: like in the South, right, So meat would have been 114 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: like a special treat kind of even crow meat. So 115 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna get again, We're gonna get into some of 116 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: the ways this was prepared. But let's just backtrack to 117 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six, when the residents of Tulsa, Oklahoma began 118 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: to kind of jump on board this crow eating bandwagon. 119 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: The butcher's. Local butchers would send their kids out into 120 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: the fields to kill and collect crow carcasses. They got 121 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: a dollar fifty. First I was reading this and I 122 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: was like, oh, a dollar fifty a crow, that seems reasonable. No, 123 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: it was a dollar fifty a dozen of crows, which 124 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: is uh yeah. And they would bring them back, chopped 125 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: their heads off, trust them up, and serve them, I imagine, however, 126 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: but again we're gonn give me some recipes later. And 127 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: this even became like remember how when like lobster was 128 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: like trash food, and like, like servants even petitioned the 129 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: government to force their masters not to serve them lobster 130 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: more than three times a week or something like that. 131 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: The crow was starting to occupy something of of a 132 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, space like that, and that it was going 133 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: to be suggested as being like a staple food in 134 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: hospitals and just kind of like again like just the 135 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: go to meat of the era. Yeah. Yeah, And so 136 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: you can get a perspective on how these kids were 137 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: incentivized to hunt crows in batches of a dozen at 138 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: a time. Our inflation calculator tells us that one dollar 139 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: nine is equivalent to just a little bit over nineteen 140 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: dollars today, So there was some money for some kids there. Sure, yeah, 141 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: but you're right. People were embracing this idea on multiple 142 00:08:54,880 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: organizational levels. One science teacher in Oklahoma, Miss odd Firth, 143 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: even established a class exclusively about how to cook crows. 144 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: That's a that's a niche education right there. And uh 145 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: Dr T. W. Stallings himself not a farmer, He was 146 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: the county health superintendent, and like you said, he was 147 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: a vociferous, self proclaimed crow hater. He said that crows 148 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: were a serious problem for Oklahoma farmers, a problem that 149 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: had only gotten worse in the years leading up to 150 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: the mid nineties, and so he had this Bernese vibe 151 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: about him. The said, where Bernet's vibe? He said, all right, 152 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna get the hearts and minds of our fellow 153 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: Oklahoma's focus on exterminating and eating crows so that we're 154 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: not just killing them for no reason. And we're gonna 155 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: do this, he said, in a lightbulb moment, through a 156 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: series of what I will call crow banquets. So we're 157 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: gonna trick people, We're gon because people love that, right, 158 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna invite all these folks over. 159 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna cook them a nice sumptuous meal, because it's 160 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: hard to turn down a hot meal in the depression. 161 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: And then after they've eaten their fill and they're talking 162 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: about how how good this was, this meal was, we're 163 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: going to tell them that they had, in fact dined 164 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: on crows and he had a recipe for it too. 165 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't sound half bad, to be honest. I mean, 166 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: chrow meat is notorious for being dry and stringy. I've 167 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: heard it described as tasting kind of livery. But at 168 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: the same time, I like liver. I like liver and onions. 169 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't eat like liver prepared many other ways, but 170 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: if it's like fried and like you know, rolled in 171 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: a nice gravy, it can it can be pretty palatable 172 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: with you know, mushrooms and onion or something like that. 173 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: But they were doing something very similar with this. They 174 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: were coating, you know, plucking them, obviously coating them with lard, 175 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: which would you know, help keep them oyster, and then 176 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: cooking them in a sealed cast iron pan, likely kind 177 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: of a slow heat um so that it would kind 178 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: of stay as tender as possible, and you know, seasoned 179 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: and added celery and likely carrots and maybe some other 180 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: things like you might do with, you know, a roasted 181 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: chicken perhaps um, and then of course finishing all with 182 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: lots of gravy. Three crows to a person does a 183 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: meal make? And Stallings really was into this. He had 184 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: his reasons in terms of just like thinking about it 185 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: in terms of public health, I suppose, which is kind 186 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: of weird considering that you know, these crows were considered 187 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: diseased and vectors for disease and he was the head 188 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: of the health department. He was a big proponent for 189 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: people eating these. I wonder how they tested them to 190 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: make sure they weren't like contaminated or something that. Well, 191 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: that's another that's he's kind of if if crows in 192 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: Oklahoma in the nineties are smurfs, then this guy's Stallings 193 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: is definitely their artmel right. It's it's weird. They got 194 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: pressed for this too. In the nineteen thirties, The Pittsburgh 195 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: Post Gazette reported this enthusiasm for consuming crow in In 196 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: ninety six, Atlanta Constitution, which now exists as the Atlanta 197 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: Journal Constitution, reported how the then governor E. W. Marlin 198 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: and a group of state officials went to one of 199 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: these crow banquets and Marlin was so impressed. The story 200 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: goes that that caused him to establish this state house 201 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: Crow meat Lovers Association. And you know, crows are omnivorous 202 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: right in many ways their vacuum cleaners. If you end 203 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: up feeding a crow, all always be cautious about feeding 204 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: wild animals. Usually not a great idea. But if you 205 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: end up feeding and crow, the main thing you have 206 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: to look out for is not feeding them stuff that 207 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: has a lot of as salt. But if you end 208 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: up eating a crow, you're right, no, they they've got 209 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: a gamey taste. They can get grainy and stringy and tough, 210 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: but they're they're dark meat. So if you prepare them 211 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: correctly from what I understand, I haven't done this, they 212 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: can end up tasting a little bit like duck or goose, 213 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: which can be you know, pretty delectable. Uh huh. I 214 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: don't think I ever had a goose, but I can't. 215 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: I always think of that seat in the office where 216 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: it's a Christmas episode and Dwight finds a goose that's 217 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: been hit on the side of the road and brings 218 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: it into the office, you know, and he's supposedly gonna 219 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: trust it up and you know, clean it right there 220 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: and cook it for so he's like as a Christmas miracle, 221 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: and of course they make him take it outside. But duck, 222 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it 223 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: is the darker of the dark meat. Like if if 224 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: you think dark meat, chicken taste gamy, duck is probably 225 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: gonna be extra that thing. But it's also fatty, which 226 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: bothers some people. But if you're into cooking, one thing 227 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: you can do with duck is cook it on our 228 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: rack and then under a rack, slice up some potatoes 229 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: and put them underneath the duck so the drippings dripped 230 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: down onto the potatoes. Then you get like duck fat 231 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: fried potatoes, which has a real rich flavor to it. Um. 232 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: Speaking of which, there were a lot of sacrifices that 233 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: had to be made in the Great Depression, like instead 234 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: of butter, they use drippings or fat. So probably having 235 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: fatty you know, dark meat was probably a good thing 236 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: because it made for more drippings they could then use 237 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: in place of butter. Right, yeah, yeah, there's a great 238 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: book that details this called Paradox of Plenty of Social 239 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: History of Eating in Modern America. This is the kind 240 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: of specific reference work that I love, just like the 241 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: Kolanski's book about salt oh Ben. I had to bring 242 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: up to some friends the other day. Uh, your fascination 243 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: with very specific books. And if I'm not mistaken, you 244 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: said you own a book exclusively on halibut cod God. Okay, 245 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: my bad, I thought, because halibit came up and I 246 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: was like, pretty sure my partner has a book exclusively 247 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: on haliban. It's uh, yeah, it's it's uh. I would, 248 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: by the way, I would totally buy and devour a 249 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: book about haliban, just for the Haliban, just for the Haliban. 250 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: So in this book by Harvey Levinstein, he talks about 251 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: the privation people face because, for a long long time, 252 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: and still to a degree here in the States, eating 253 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: is a social opportunity. It's when you see your friends, 254 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: it's when you spend quality time with your family. And 255 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: it was tough for people to adjust to having to 256 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: change this pattern. During the depression. Instead of three meals 257 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: a day, might have to like you said, no, people 258 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: went back to very affordable grains and carved staples, right 259 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: corn meal, pasta, beans, pancakes. The most common complaint people 260 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: had at this time was that they were they were 261 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: getting tired of eating, of eating the same stuff day 262 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: in day out. Meats, fruits, a lot of other delicate 263 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: sees like sweets pretty much disappeared due to either scarcity 264 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: or affordability at this point, Like there were riots in 265 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: small towns across the country where people were literally shouting, 266 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: we want food. We will not let our children starve. Yeah, 267 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: at least they weren't shouting, we want more variety, we 268 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: will not eat beans again, because that would be a 269 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: little I mean, at least they had something. No, it's true. 270 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: And the people that had the beans and the pasta, 271 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: and if they were lucky eggs, which really did take 272 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: the places of meat, you know, because meats were just 273 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: so hard to come by, they kind of had it good, 274 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: you know. But it was it was pretty widespread, and 275 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: of course they were you know, the swells in their 276 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: ivory towers that probably had more than the rest of us. 277 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, in general, people were having to really subsist 278 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: and then kind of scraped to get by. Not to 279 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: mention that that's the that's the big thing about the 280 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: Great Depression, right it was. It was the perfect storm 281 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: of horrible, horrible things happening. One of which was uh, 282 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: it would have exacerbated the issue of the crows, you know, 283 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: attacking the crops. It was drought that already dried up 284 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: crops all over the South. Share croppers in Alabama they 285 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: referred to their diet as the three M diet, which 286 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: was salt, pork, was the M, meat, corn meal, and molasses. 287 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: Why the molasses. That dessert was that like the pudding 288 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: cup of the Great Depression. So there are things called breadlines. 289 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: I believe it's very similar to a soup kitchen ben 290 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. Like a breadline is like a 291 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: free handouts for for people in desperate situations or who 292 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: are homeless. Yeah, it's for people who found themselves houseless 293 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: or they were unable to find work. That was the majority. 294 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: The majority of people were unemployed and fighting to stay 295 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: in their homes or in their towns or with their relatives. 296 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: And so you would wait in the in these long 297 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: literal lines to get some sort of sustenance and it 298 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: would be usually some kind of bread, especially in the 299 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: North and and and like a lot of gangsters and 300 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: criminals like Paublo Escobar for example, made a name for 301 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: himself by giving food and clothes and things to less 302 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: fortunate people who lived around the area of Medine where 303 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: he did business. Al Capone ran a breadline, you know, 304 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: to kind of I think probably engender some positive feelings 305 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: among the people that he, like you know, was around 306 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: in his in his actual neighborhoods. Yeah, like the Yakuza 307 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: helping disaster stricken areas of Japan after earthquakes or other 308 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: natural disasters. Do you know they've also been involved in 309 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: organizing Halloween things. I jumped out, it's so weirdly adhering, 310 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: But maybe a story for another You know, it's interesting 311 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: because I have some roots in Appalachia and I can 312 00:18:55,080 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: confirm from accounts of ancestors some of the horror story. 313 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: But what occurred for those folks in in that time, 314 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: Like one strategy was that children would eat on alternate days. 315 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: I had a relative who would tell my parents about 316 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: times where they were convinced that they were going to starve, 317 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: only to have dug up an old frozen patch of 318 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: potatoes and eaten those potatoes that were frozen in the ground, 319 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: which gave them just enough sustenance to soldier on. But 320 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, urban areas, rural areas alike, they were all 321 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: crushed by this. Ninety thousand businesses completely shut their doors, 322 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: fifty million people lose their jobs, get their wages cut 323 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: in half. If you read The Grapes of Wrath by Steinbeck, 324 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: he's so exaggerating. Now, it's so good, and it's one 325 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: of the first books that I was like, oh, this 326 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: is a painting a picture, this is how it really was. 327 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: It just feels like you're there and yeah, I mean 328 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, no, I'm not gonna do but at the 329 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: end there's something that's absolutely heartbreaking that a character has 330 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: to do to survive. Yeah. Yeah, that is a harrowing book. 331 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: And it's based on this period of time in a 332 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: realistic way. Twenty people that we know of committed suicide, 333 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: which means certainly more ten thousand banks collapsed. The effects 334 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: of the Great Depression remain in the modern day and 335 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And that's that's the context 336 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: in which this idea of eating crow occurs. Like people 337 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: are going especially rural areas, people are saying, look, if 338 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't have two nickels to rub together to go 339 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: to a deli, well then I'll just do what my 340 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: grandparents are great grandparents did and I'll just hunt game, 341 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, the way like people in rural areas will 342 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: still hunt game for a reliable source of nutrition today. Absolutely, yeah, 343 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: and pro became an alternative, viable routine. There was not 344 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: one person in this area of Oklahoma said yeah, I'm 345 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: too good for it. Yeah, and it was you know, 346 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: it was it was a kind of two pronged thing 347 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: right where it was giving them some variation in their 348 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: diets or perhaps the only thing they had. You know, 349 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: that certainly could have been the case for many, But 350 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: it also was helping out the farmers and potentially staving 351 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: off that further loss of of of productivity to to 352 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: their to their crops. So you know, it seemed like 353 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: kind of helping out your neighbor in addition to like 354 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: getting a meal in you. But this was not just 355 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: an Oklahoma thing, by the way. It started to really spread, 356 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: Like you saw reports out of Kansas, Georgia, Washington State, 357 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: Illinois reporting this kind of surge in public interest in 358 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: eating these birds. In August of n approximately two Americans 359 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: per day wrote to the Department of Agriculture asking for 360 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: details on quote, how crows might be cooked, stewed, fried, 361 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: or roasted, and how crow broth can be made. Probably, 362 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: do you think that's the that's the question for the 363 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: Department of agg seems more like a good housekeeping kind 364 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: of letter, you know, or like an Emily Post situation. Well, 365 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: it was. It was a different time. You know, people 366 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: in general wrote letters were offted. But but I I 367 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: believe you are correct. They eventually probably had to put 368 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: an intern on that. The fact that crews were plentiful 369 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma and many other parts of the country was 370 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: helpful to stallings cause crow hunting clubs started popping up 371 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: and there was sort of a a war maybe campaign 372 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: is a better word for public favor to this approach 373 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: of eating crew because in addition to having all these 374 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: heavy dark folkloric associations or connotations, crews are scavengers, and 375 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: so they were known to eat garbage, and so people thought, look, 376 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: if I'm eating a crow, am I kind of just 377 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: eating garbage with an extra step? Is that just like 378 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: eating trash with extra steps? And uh? Yes and no? Right, 379 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean, well, catfish is good now, it's very true, 380 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: and so so I yeah, but I would also say 381 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: yes and no in that they're not clean, you know 382 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you really have to. But I 383 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: guess you would boil them, probably to get the feathers 384 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: to pop off, and then pluck them like you do. 385 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: So I suppose they're being like sanitized, but still just 386 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: the whole concept just really gives me the creeps. Yeah, 387 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: and you know, to be clear, I said, there was 388 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: no one in it Oklahoma at the time who automatically 389 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: said they were too good for it. But this was 390 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: not everybody's favorite new food, and there were a couple 391 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: of people outside of Oklahoma who are just like, forget this, 392 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: We'll we'll get to them. Uh. But opinions vary on 393 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: how this tasted for a lot of people as a 394 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: curiosity or a kind of a desperate measure, or was 395 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: a novelty. And like we said, they are gamy, they 396 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: are dark meat. So a lot of the recipes that 397 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: you see are similar to recipes that you can see 398 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: for other gamey, tasty meat. You have as much like 399 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: seasoning as possible in the mix to make it make 400 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 1: it go down a little bit smoother. Sure, I mean, 401 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: you know, like I love cooking with chicken thighs, but 402 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: it's gotta be really really well seasoned. Whereas a chicken breast. 403 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: You know, you could probably eat it, which is a 404 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: little salt and pepper and it tastes pretty good. And 405 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: then to me, the chicken thigh is the perfect level 406 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: of gamey. I love this too, by the way, But 407 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't think we mentioned some folks. They were really 408 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: trying to up the idea of the crow. So there 409 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: were even people that referred to them as black partridges. Uh. 410 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: It's just just kind of like, you know, a crow 411 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: by any other name still tastes like crow. But there 412 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: was this chef at the hotel Sherman named from non 413 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: potrais pant that makes sense, punt Trough who it was, 414 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: is a very fancy hotel, and he had a dish 415 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: called crow on casserole. Uh. And if if I may, 416 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read a little bit of the recipe. 417 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: It sounds this sounds great. Actually, this recipe is specific 418 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: enough to cook it, I think. So he skinned and 419 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: dress like we said, put in a pan with butter, 420 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: add garlic, then a third cup of white wine, which 421 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: most people wouldn't have. They would not That's what I'm saying. 422 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: This is like total shabby chic kind of situation, right. Uh. 423 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: Strong veal gravy, which is already going to have a 424 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: little bit of a livery kind of game equality to it. Right, 425 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: Three tablespoons and then soybeans sauce. Does that mean soy sauce? Yes, yes, 426 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what that means, poured over the crow meat. 427 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: And then the birds are cooked in a covered dish 428 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: for two hours. Again that low and slow. It's got 429 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: to be young birds. Take this goes to quote directly 430 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: from the recipe. Young birds taken in the spring required 431 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: just one hour, Chef punt Row said. And then of 432 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: course mushrooms, small cubes of fried salt pork, and small 433 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: glazed onions. Sounds pretty good. And people who tried this 434 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: fancy like elevated cuisine approach overwhelmingly liked it. People had said, 435 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: you know this surprisingly and I like it a little 436 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: bit better than wild duck. And it's tasty and it's 437 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: deliciously prepared. But as we said, some people, not in 438 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: Oklahoma but other places felt like they were already too 439 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: good for this, and they looked down their nose at it. 440 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: There was one chef in Atlanta ninety six who said, 441 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: roast crow bab b a h. People used to say 442 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: that bah bah, Yeah, where's the humbug? Folks just don't 443 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: go in for that kind of meat. So far as 444 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: I'm concerned, to eat and crow will continue to be 445 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: nothing but a political expression. It's interesting, that's a really 446 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: no no. I think we I think we've been sort 447 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: of alluding to this, uh, and that it was almost 448 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: like a patriotic act to kill the crows at least 449 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: because you were kind of helping your your neighbor, your 450 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: farming neighbors. But also it was kind of an act 451 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: of what's the word I'm looking for, like societal kind 452 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: of like it was sort of like an act of 453 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: bringing everyone together behind like a common enemy, right in 454 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: a time where people felt desperately out of control. There's 455 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: an account from um The Oklahoman from a woman named 456 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: Sue Simpson who cooked this meat for a husband, talking 457 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: about quote, feeling that it might be the patriotic thing 458 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: to do. I bought some and baked crow for dinner. 459 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: As I recall, there was not enough meat on the 460 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: bones to make it worthwhile. I do not remember how 461 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: it tasted, but I do know that I did try 462 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: to eat it. My husband said that he did not 463 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: mind eating crow. As in quotes. If he had done 464 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: something to apologize for but did not expect to see it, 465 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: served to dinner, and to please not do it again 466 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: right Like you know, it takes a lot to make 467 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: him marriage work. It was on his fee is in queues. 468 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: It's true. This was a trend that came about of desperation. 469 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 1: It had this patina of patriotism, and it was meant 470 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: as a way of combating loss of crops. But after 471 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: times became less desperate, this trend fizzled. There was one 472 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: person who didn't give up on it, and you can 473 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: guess who he is. Fellow ridiculous historians. Dr T. W. 474 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: Stalls himself. He was full gargamel, as they say in Gattica. 475 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: He saved nothing for the swim back. Uh. He was 476 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: as late as ninety seven he was finding every reporter 477 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: that would listen to him and extolling the virtues of 478 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: eating crows. I wonder if he had a situation where 479 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: he got like attacked by one or something as a kid. 480 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: And that's where we are today. If you go to 481 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: almost any restaurant in the US, it will be virtually 482 00:28:54,280 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: impossible to find a genuine like dish made of crow 483 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: it's even less common than turtle soup, which we talked 484 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: about in the past, which is, you know, mainly common 485 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: in New Orleans, Maryland and parts of DC. Now, yeah, 486 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: and then you'll, you know, you'll you'll go to some 487 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: fancy restaurants, so you'll see things like squab or other 488 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: like gamy weird small birds on the menu as kind 489 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: of a flex like, look look at how amazing our 490 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: cooking is that we can make this weird trash bird 491 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: tastes good. But I don't even know if like you know, 492 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: Heston Blumenthal would try messing with crow. Maybe our friend 493 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: Richard Blaze, maybe he might take a shot at it. 494 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: But but the but most you're right, most folks won't. 495 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: This has become kind of a closed chapter in the 496 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: history book. But it leaves us with another conversation that 497 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: we've talked about a little bit in the past. There 498 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: are so many somewhat arbitrary cultural taboos about what is 499 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: or is not fit to eat here in the u US, 500 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: in the West overall. And if there hadn't been the 501 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: Great Depression, crows would have been five people wouldn't have 502 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: been trying to eat them. And what is now referred 503 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: to as kind of the crow craze raises questions about 504 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: what makes us consider something edible or something disgusting, and 505 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: how culturally changeable or fluid these things might be like that, 506 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: like nutria is another example, or raccoons or I think 507 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: everybody's fine with eating alligators now right. It does seem 508 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: that way, But there's even a broader conversation than that. 509 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: And we've talked about this too. It's like the whole 510 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: socially acceptable lime for like, it's okay to eat rabbit 511 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: to some, but definitely not okay to eat cat. You know, 512 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: at least in the United States. Crow just seems like 513 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: it's nasty and probably not necessary and and really just 514 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: probably limited to an active desperation. There's a really gross 515 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: scene and always sunny in Philadelphia. You might remember it 516 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: and fight like a crow, Fight like a crow. But 517 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: he eats a crow and it's like tainted or something, 518 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: and he starts like getting violently ill Frank's character. You're Frank, 519 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: the Danny de Vito's character, and I think he almost 520 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: starts like hallucinating off of the rotten crow or the 521 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: tainted crow or something like that. But yeah, it definitely 522 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: does not seem like. I mean, I think even animals 523 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: would probably steer away from it if they could. It's 524 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: funny because the whole time we're researching this episode, I 525 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: just kept rewatching clips of the Fight Milk episode of 526 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: Always Stunny in Philadelphia with like crow eggs and some 527 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: kind of nutritional substance in a ton of like vodka. 528 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: I think it was disgusting. But what is that show 529 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: not given us? It hasn't given us something that we're 530 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: going to give you now, folks, this had to be 531 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: occurring to a lot of our fellow listeners today. Is 532 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: this the origin of the old saying to eat crow? Luckily, 533 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: according to our good friend Man Guess had a coutur, 534 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: co founder of Mental Floss and a guy who actually 535 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: hangs out with us, it's not true. It's also the 536 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: perfect time to wish him the absolute best in his 537 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: new venture. You were very sad to lose him at 538 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: the company as a colleague, but we will remain dear friends. 539 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: Been been with him for a long time and he's 540 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: a lovely guy. But yeah, he wrote this article himself 541 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: back when he was still a Mental Floss and he 542 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,719 Speaker 1: traced the origin of the expression to eat crow somewhere 543 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: completely different. Yeah. Yeah, so when when you say to 544 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: eat crow, it kind of has this feeling of like 545 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: other expressions like oh he had egg on his face 546 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: or uh, oh they had to eat humble pie. De 547 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: crow means to humiliate onesell and there's a legend about 548 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: it that dates back to eighteen twelve. During a truce 549 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: in the War of eighteen twelve, Apparently a guy from 550 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: New England walked over to the British camp to do 551 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: some hunting and he got irritated because he's like, uh, 552 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a war. I can't find 553 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: any deer or rabbit or what have you. I'm just 554 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: gonna shoot the first thing I see. And the first 555 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: thing he saw was a crew and he shot it. 556 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: But a British guy, a British officer heard the gunshot right, Yes, 557 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: that's right, And the British officer gave the American props 558 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: on his marksmanship and then asked him to see the weapon, 559 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: to hold the weapon um with which he had he 560 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: had made this crack shot and uh being a bit 561 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: on the gullible side. Um. The American handed over the weapon, 562 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: after which, of course the British officer turned it on 563 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: him and yelled at him and basically humiliated him and 564 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: forced him to eat a bite of the crow that 565 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: he had just killed, uncooked feathers and all yeah. Uh. 566 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: And the guy tried to beg but you know what 567 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: could he do? The British dude had his guns, so 568 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: he ate a piece of the crow. The officer returned 569 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: his firearms, said okay, go home, get out of here, 570 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 1: away with you. Uh. And before the British guy could leave, 571 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: the new Englander was very angry, turned the gun on 572 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: the officer and made him eat the rest of the 573 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: burt also uncooked, also unplucked. Uh. The story concludes that 574 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: the British officer was furious. The next day he went 575 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: to the American camp and he demanded retribution and satisfaction. 576 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: The US commanding officers had the soldier brought to him 577 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: and they said, you know, have you seen this guy before, 578 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: this British dude. And the soldier was trying to lie 579 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: pro very cape, but he couldn't, so eventually he stuttered, yes, Captain, 580 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: I dined with him yesterday. And that's that's the joke. 581 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: They have heard other versions of this as a joke. 582 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: I heard one. It was pretty popular in the military 583 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: about this occurring in um, the Sahara or the Middle East, 584 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: but it was a much filthier version because it was 585 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: like the military version, it wasn't crow they were eating. Yeah, 586 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I love this account. This is a 587 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: great story. I still have to wonder if if it's 588 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 1: not a little in dispute as to whether it came 589 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: from this or the idea of like eating crow as 590 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: being sort of like the worst case scenario, you know, 591 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: like as we use it in terms of like having 592 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: to eat our words and we've said something stupid. So 593 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't know this this does this does hold up? 594 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: Like basically the bridge should not have given that gunback. 595 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: What do you think was gonna happen? Yeah, you're right. 596 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: That's a behavior that makes me think it is legend. 597 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 1: We know that. Uh. The exact origin, the real origin 598 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,720 Speaker 1: of the idiom is largely unknown today, but if first 599 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: probably went in print somewhere in the eighteen fifties, and 600 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: it was also a story about a dim witted American dude. 601 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: So we have to eat our crow in that regard. 602 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: But nol, what an episode. I um, you know, I 603 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: feel bad for the crows at that time, but they 604 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: were being they were a threat to the lives of 605 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: these farmers, not just their livelihoods. And also, as we 606 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: talked about with our pal Andrew the Raven Howard just 607 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: before recording, there is this slippery slope people get into 608 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: when they say you shouldn't dine on intelligent animals, right, 609 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: because cows are intelligent, pigs are intelligent. Crows certainly are. 610 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: Crows certainly are Unfortunately for them, they're probably the least 611 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: delicious of the intelligent animals. Uh doubt people are gonna 612 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: stop eating cow and pig anytime soon. Um. Cephalopod is 613 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: another thing I don't I just I haven't finished it, 614 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: but I started watching that documentary My Octopus Teacher. Yeah, 615 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: it's so good. It's beautifully shot. It's a wonderful story 616 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: about this guy that just like you know, basically becomes 617 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: a sea creature. For lack of a better way of 618 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: describing it. Um, But when you see the playfulness of 619 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: these creatures and then how they can connect with this guy, 620 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: you'd probably be hard pressed to slice up mo tentacle 621 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: and dipping in soy sauce again. Yeah, yeah, which might 622 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: be which might be a story for another day. But 623 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: as he said, octopus also is delicious. UM as a 624 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: huge fan of UH. The intelligence of the octopus, I've 625 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: I've tried to remove them from my diet, which you 626 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: know is luckily for people like us living so far inland, 627 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: it's not too difficult for us to remove octopus from UH. 628 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: It would be a lot tougher to remove like chicken wings. 629 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 1: Because this is Atlanta, they're everywhere, all right. I don't 630 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: know about you know, I am getting a little bit hungry, 631 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 1: not quite famished. I think we fly like a crow 632 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: into our next episode. But how about this, folks, what's 633 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,280 Speaker 1: the weirdest thing that you have eaten? What's the one 634 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: thing if you have one that you've always wanted to try? 635 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: And then, perhaps most directly, would you eat a crow? Why? 636 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: Or why not? Oh? Don't let other crow see you 637 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: eating a crow. They are intelligent enough to know what 638 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: is happening. They are also smart enough to remember your 639 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: face and teach their friends what you look like. They 640 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: will mess you up and come for you. They will 641 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 1: come for you. There's a study that proves it. They're 642 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: actually a couple of studies and anecdotes that prove it, 643 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: but thanks as always to our super producer Casey Pegram, 644 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: to our guest producer Andrew Howard, and you know what 645 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: always thinking I was in conversation about this earlier. We 646 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 1: need to give a much deserved shout out to our 647 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 1: graphic designer, Pam Peacock, who made our logo for the 648 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: show that respued and logo that's all. It is all Pam, 649 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: And we've got some surprises coming in the very near 650 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: future which involved Pam. Uh. I'm gonna leave it at that. 651 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: That's true. It's a you know, we're two guys who 652 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: are literally paid to read about weird stuff and then 653 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: talk for a living. So it is. It's been somewhat 654 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: difficult for us to keep some of these secrets. But 655 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: I think we're doing an okay job so far. I know, 656 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: but don't you love that? And when I say love, 657 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: I obviously mean hey when people on the internet are like, guys, 658 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: got some big stuff coming, can't talk about it yet, 659 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: but trust me, it's gonna pop off. Okay, it's gonna 660 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: be awesome. We didn't quite do it that egregiously, but 661 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: you know it what it is. But seriously, stay tuned. 662 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: Big stuff on the Horizon in the meantime, Huge thanks 663 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: to super producer Casey Pegrom to guest producer Andrew A. 664 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: How the Crow, the Raven, the Blackbird, Raven McKnight, Howard 665 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: the Third? Is he a third? He's baby? He might 666 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: as well be? And are I hope you're not alluding 667 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: to my tweet where I said I had a difficult 668 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: time with an episode of stuff. They don't want you 669 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: to know that I couldn't talk about It's okay, okay, 670 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: well yes, uh oh gosh, yeah that was a real 671 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: how was a real weird one that we just did 672 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: earlier this week? But yes, thanks of course to Alex 673 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: the Ephemist, Williams like e femorist like uh and big 674 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: thanks to Eve's Jeff Coat, big big thanks to Christopher 675 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: hassy Otis, both of whom shall be returning soon. And 676 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: let's have a big old coca for our number one raven, 677 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland, a k. The Quister. I don't want him 678 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: to be a raven. I like ravens too much. Let's 679 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: make him well. Crows are cool too, Magpie. What kind 680 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: of bird would he be if he was a bird? 681 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. For birds, Ben, you're 682 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: asking the wrong guy. Any any any bird that I 683 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: associated him in my mind would be an insult. So 684 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: about a cocket deal. I like a cockat deal. They've 685 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: got they've got a cool little plume, you know, on 686 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: their head dress. I could see that. I could see that, 687 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: and that feels like a compliment. For some reason, A 688 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 1: cocket deal does get his vibe. What are we talking about? 689 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: Tune into an upcoming episode of Ridiculous History to hear 690 00:41:47,080 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: for yourself. M hmm. We'll see you next time, Fox Yeah. 691 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I 692 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to 693 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.