WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 39 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.680 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:06.359 you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.600 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.440 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.960 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:17.919 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.119 there's gonna be nothing new here for you, but you 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:36.320 can make your own decisions. Your children should be home. 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:42.599 Your kids aren't actually gay, you've just crooned to them. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.879 Welcome to It could have happened here today. We are 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.440 talking about something that did happen just a few days ago, 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:54.240 and we'll be discussing it's possible ramifications going forward and 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.000 similar subsequent attacks that are most likely going to take 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.240 place throughout this next month. I'm Person Davis with me? 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:07.400 Is Chris Hello? Ready ready to hear about a lot 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:12.399 of threats of genocide and a whole bunch of audio 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.520 clips of fascists? You know? Okay, I got I got 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.360 one episode where there was like a pretty clean win 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.039 and like a good thing happened, and so now I'm 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:26.360 I'm ready to go back to getting exterminated. This is 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.240 so this episode is going to be kind of I 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.000 don't speak German style, I guess if if we were 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.640 to compare it to another one of our competitors in 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:39.759 the field. Um, yeah, so uh, I mean, there's been 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.319 a lot of threats against Pride events over the course 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.840 the past month. There's we've we've pointed towards some in Idaho. Uh, 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.600 there has been some in air Zona, there has been 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.040 lots in Texas. By the time this episode has dropped, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.440 the Gundalane event in Idaho would have already taken place. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.000 We are recording that just just before war on On 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:03.760 on June tenth, So I'm unsure of how that's gone 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.560 at this point. Hopefully nothing horrible happened. But but but 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.160 if everyone dies, that that's why we're not talking about 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.960 it because it hasn't happened yet. Oh but yeah, we're 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.360 gonna be talking about an attack on a Pride event 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:25.520 in Dallas, Texas that happened on June four, So starting 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.160 starting kind of closer to the lead up to this. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:33.519 On the Conservative trends setting limbs of TikTok, who now 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:35.680 has over one point two million followers on the Twitter 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.840 account ran by Chaia Check, they started a threat titled 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:45.080 quote Mega Drag Thread. They say it's innocent. They say 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.680 it's about inclusion and acceptance. They say no one is 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:55.639 trying to confuse corrupt or sexualized kids. They lie. Increasingly, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.840 many on the far right are targeting family friendly drag events, 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:03.200 including Drake time story events at libraries across the country. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:08.440 The Gundalane event in Idaho was precursored by a whole 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.679 bunch of attacks on drag story events at the libraries 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:16.639 inside Idaho and the very church gathering that they announced 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:21.600 the event to oppose the Pride on June eleven. That 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:26.079 whole gathering at the church was about removing LGBTQ materials 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:30.680 from libraries and targeting any drag queens who do any 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:36.040 types of story times. So this this over thirty tweet 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.800 long thread by lips of TikTok contained a list of 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.200 drag queens, story how where flyers with dates and locations, 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.400 and family friendly or all ages drag events that had 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.520 recently took place over upcoming for Pride month. One such 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.960 event right check posted about was a Pride themed family 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.840 friendly drag event that was to take place on Saturday, 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.080 June four, hosted at a gay venue in the progressive 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.960 neighborhood of Doubts, Texas. In their post, Limps of TikTok 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:05.600 included the date and location for the upcoming event, as 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.800 well as an unrelated picture of one of the drag 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.960 performers wearing a skip be outfit. I think right check 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.440 just searched the internet for a picture of this one 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:17.520 person wearing as revealing clothing as possible based on the 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.760 entire intimate presence, and like it's still not a nude photo. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.719 It's just like someone would like like a skimpy outfit. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.040 But anyway, you know, you're trying to be like, this 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:28.960 is what your kids are gonna see, which means it's 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.520 it's not, but you know, you know the thing you're 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.880 trying to do. The tweet was shared by a new 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:38.239 far right group called Protect Texas Kids, who had also 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.600 declared that they were organizing a protest to oppose what 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:46.200 they called a quote child grooming event. They tweeted out 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.359 the address of the venue and called on people to 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.440 join in on opposition to the family friendly drag show. 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.640 The initial Limps of TikTok tweet about the Dallas All 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.359 Ages drug event raked up over a thousand retweets and 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.760 thousands and thousands of likes. Less than a week later, 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.080 the anti queer attacks moved from the online sphere to 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.720 the outside physical world. I wonder if the mama bearing 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:09.760 instinct is going to come out in three years when 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:12.560 the mainstream Democrat party platform and they want to rape 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.840 your kids, and they're all gonna think it's one big, smug, 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.520 little joke. These people, by the way, understand that there 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.039 is a bigger difference between ten years ago and now 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.599 than the wind be between now and in five years 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.559 when they're openly advocating for pedophilia like they've already started doing. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.840 You people are the symptom of a dying society. And 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:42.039 you know it where. That's John Doyle, a self described 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:46.440 Christian fascist, standing outside the family Friendly drag event at 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.279 nine am in the morning, yelling through a megaphone at 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.080 the families with kids lined up to get inside the 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.880 brunch event. A crowd mostly in khaki shorts and button 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:01.720 ups surrounded the venue, and enchanted groomer grew umer as 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.359 the group of men kept screaming at the families stuck 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.200 outside waiting on line. Kids just a few feet away 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.520 covered their ears. Amidst the screams and megaphones, one person 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.919 waved a Christian Diminianist flag. A man holding a rosary 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:20.359 shrieked verbal abuse at the children and parents. The fist 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:33.560 of tribes will come down very soon. This it's what 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.839 was described as a quote protest immediately materialized as a 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.640 group of men and self described Christian fascists who came 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.039 to attack families at Pride, just yelling abuse at the 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:48.080 events attendees and staff, threatening people as they arrived and left, 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:52.600 and creating an actually unsafe environment for children, along with 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:57.160 a gaggle of far right grifting videographers who quote infiltrated 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.760 the event to film kids without their consent to create 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:05.839 viral propaganda. There was a very good article by Melissa 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.680 Geara Grant published a few days after the incident titled 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.800 a Pizza Gate in Every City, with the subheading quote 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.600 these conspiracy theories were once fringe. Now they're being fueled 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:22.840 by Republicans and driving far right anti LGBTQ violence. Now. 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:24.880 I'm going to read a few quotes from this piece 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.640 throughout our episode today because the writer does a very 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.280 good job tying the current grooming rhetoric to the pattern 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:35.680 of escalating violence and conspiracism embraced by the right over 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.200 the past few years. So to quote the article, quote 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.280 from the idea that children inside this venue were being 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:45.920 abused and that such abuse was a plot by Democrats 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.080 to the call to internet provocateurs to record their own evidence, 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.720 as well as the false claims of child rescues made 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.239 by those promoting these conspiracy theories. The attack on Mr Mr, 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.920 which which was the venue that the strike event to placet, 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.200 called to mind the same fears, if not the same 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.080 threat of gun violence as the assault on Comt Ping 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:09.440 Pong in Washington, d C. In a man motivated by 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.120 the Pizza Gate conspiracy theory arrived at the restaurant with 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.280 a rifle to quote, rescue children from the non existent 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:19.480 sex trafficking ring supposedly orchestrated by prominent Democrats. Now a 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.440 little more than five years later, of Republicans identify as 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.320 believers of the Pizza Gate successor q and On, and 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.920 the far right's capacity for street violence has grown. At 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:33.760 the same time, where once most elected Republican officials would 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.040 at least nominally distance themselves from Pizza Gate pushers out 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.000 on the fringe, that wall has largely eroded. Across the country. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:45.080 GOP lawmakers have waged a legislative crusade targeting queer and 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:50.920 trans kids, smearing opponents as groomers. Language that rhyme was 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.000 with the pedophile claims that inspired the attack on commt 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.400 Ping Pong, and where once the targets of these conspiracy 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.599 theories were largely confined to select group of Democrat lawmakers 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.160 and their allies, the fearmongering, amplified by Fox News and 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:10.000 prominent conservative social media accounts, is now targeting all LGBTQ people, 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.680 from national figures to members of your local community. The 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.680 stage is set for a Pizza Gate in any city, 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:20.400 and just like Pizza Gate, where cases of threats of 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.720 violence escalated to the point of an attempted arson and 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.360 a young white man storming the establishment firing a rifle inside, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.480 the homophobic and transphobic violence that is advocated or physically 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:35.680 committed is truly seen as like righteously justified by those 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:38.760 who do it, and even if those who promote it 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:44.080 don't sincerely hold those like illogical beliefs. Successful propagandists know 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.880 how to effectively frame bigoted violence as a moral imperative 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.560 simply as a way to encourage attacks on their own 0:09:50.640 --> 0:10:02.640 ideological enemies. SIME. The far right conservatives and fascists who 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:07.040 made explicit threats of genocidal violence were not met unopposed. 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.080 There was what seems to me a mix of more 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.240 official security from the gay venue that usually functions as 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.959 a bar, as well as community defense volunteers and anti 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.920 fascists who put their body in between the fascists and 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:24.480 the families with children. Community community members wore low key 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:29.560 pride infected block attire, black masks, and rainbow bandanas, with 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.959 some holding trans and queer pride flags, which can come 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.920 in handy for blocking off unwanted persons. Not only did 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.679 the community defense protect families and attendees, but also worked 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.440 to protect the performers who are being followed after the 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:49.000 event was over by fascists. The Elm Fork John Brown 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.079 Gun Club did a stand up job documenting the event 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:54.840 as it happened and also doing work after the fact 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.760 to I d the people who are leading the homophobic attacks. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.960 I truly believe if there was less of a community 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.240 defense effort, the day could have gone much much uglier, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.040 and I think that's a part that's worth emphasizing, Like 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:13.080 everyone who showed up to oppose the fascists did an 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.200 amazing job. I mean, like they It's honestly, I've I've 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.840 looked at so much footage of this day, um, from 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.240 the footage the fascists were filming to the footage that 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.839 the John Brown Gun Club was putting out, and there 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.840 were so many times where people in with rainbow masks 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.880 were physically preventing fascists from chasing down kids. There was 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.040 barely enough of them right and you you would always, 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.679 you would always want more more community defenders there. But 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.080 the ones who did show up deserve much gratitude for 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:46.680 putting their bodies on the line. Eventually, police did show 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.199 up and tried to keep some of the conservative protesters 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.439 who were screaming groomer at children on one side of 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.000 the street across from the venue, But even with the 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:58.720 cops there, self described fascists continued to chase families as 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.240 they walk with their kids to their car, and anti 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.080 fascists and counter demonstrators were the ones to block the 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:07.400 homophobes path to prevent them from the further harassing kids 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:11.560 and families, while while the counter demonstrators were yelling at 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:16.080 the fascists to leave the kids alone. After the police 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:20.000 did arrive, Christian fascist leader John Doyle talked about how 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:23.120 police should quote go in there and put bullets in 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.360 their heads. They should be rewarded for it. That's what 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.040 the badges for. And now I'm gonna play a clip 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:32.120 of of him saying that it's a it's a little 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:36.160 bit hard to hear, but here's my due diligence. I 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:50.080 don't avertize everything the sheriffs and so yeah, that is 0:12:50.120 --> 0:12:53.680 harkening back to the very real history of police's willingness 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:58.240 to enforce homophobic laws, something that these Christian conservatives and 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.640 fascists want to bring back. And if you think some 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:05.000 police wouldn't enforce such laws, then oh boy, I don't 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.600 know what to tell you, Like, yeah, their entire job 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.080 is to enforce whatever the laws are. And lots of 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.880 those cops, I'm sure don't have great opinions on gay people. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.800 So yeah, I I know they were like like I 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.080 I've had conversations with people who are like I don't know, 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:27.160 like sixteen seventeen eighteen, who like you know, like who who? 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:28.960 And I don't want to be too hard on them. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.600 But it's like people who got their sort of education 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.720 to queer history on Tumbler, and they'll do things like 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.480 well like assist white gay men were like never oppressed 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:39.280 in the US that it's like no, like like like 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.959 you yeah, you you you could be just assist white 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:45.720 gay dude and like like really like not even really 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.839 like fifteen years ago, it was pretty common for people 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:50.760 to just like get the ship beating out of him 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.440 on the street for being gay. And cops, cops are 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:57.160 participate in this, like regular people participate in this, and 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:00.280 this looks like what we're heading back to but sumbly 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.800 even worse. So if you if you look around the 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.120 social media feed of many many cops, as I do 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.839 for funds sometimes, um, just like you know, like cops 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.760 and they're like personal feeds. And if you look at 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.720 like who they follow, what right wing influencers they follow, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:20.680 what churches they attend, you can don't be fooled into 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.920 thinking that cops will not enforce homophobic laws. Yeah, they 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:28.680 love this ship like and I mean anyway, um, one 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.960 of one of their stated goals is to regress on 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.520 gay rights and to have their version of a Christian 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:38.080 hegemonic order enforced by the violence of law. And here 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:46.480 is Doyle again saying as such at the event everything. 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.480 I'm gonna read what he actually says there in case 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.200 you could not hear it, quote, It's going to be 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.800 so fun when we take away all of your rights, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:01.200 every single one of them. Let's now talk about some 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:04.880 of the people and groups who organized this confrontation and 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.640 the resulting propaganda piece put together by the right. So 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.200 one of the main people was Kelly new Dirt need 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:18.400 kneed Diert new I think, I think what cares one 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:25.240 of they suck? Yes, one of the people was Kelly Needert, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.720 one of the Christian fascist organizers responsible for setting up 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.600 the Facebook group for the attack on the Pride event 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.640 this past weekend. She's worked with Gropers and Proud Boys 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:39.760 in the past for her Young Conservative of Texas events 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.160 at University of North Texas and is a self described 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:49.280 quote based Christian fascist her words not mine. She's also 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.680 hosted a campus event with Jeff Younger, an anti trans 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.360 Republican candidate for the Texas House of Representatives who came 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.040 to prominence on the right for attempting to block his 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.960 daughter's access to gender affirming healthcare. And who ultimately failed 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:09.320 on both accounts good good for her Kelly's. Kelly's current 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:13.160 project is a new anti trans hit group called Protect 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:17.560 Texas Kids, who she's she calls herself the executive director of, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.880 but she's basically the main driving force behind it. Was 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.440 under the Protect Texas Kids banner that she organized the 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:29.360 harassment attack on the All Ages Drag Show, quoting from 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.800 Pizza Gate in Every City again quote. With her new group, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:37.000 Nader says that quote, we will host protests of clinics 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.600 that do gender firm and care for minors and school 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:44.920 districts slash teachers who teach lgbt Q propaganda and critical 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:49.840 race theory. Protect Texas Kids is a friendly sounding vehicle 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.040 with which self of a Christian fascists in Texas can 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:57.160 go into LGBTQ community spaces armed with video and claims 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:00.760 to be there to investigate. All of this expands on 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.480 a now common playbook produced local events antagonizing queer and 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.320 trans people, then go on Fox News, News Max and 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.679 other right wing media outlets to put the videos in 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:14.639 front of an even broader audience unquote. The other major 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.879 figure is obviously John Doyle, the guy we've talked about 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:21.400 a blot this episode so far, and we've included many 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.959 audio clips of him screaming horrible things at kids. Uh. 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.800 He is the Christian fascist leader heard saying things like 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.119 every single one of gay right should be taken away 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.200 and encouraging police to go in there and put a 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.840 bullet in their heads. I guess the parents are drag performers. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.680 He has a large YouTube channel with over three hundred 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:48.080 thousand subscribers. Don't don't worry, Chris, It's good to get worse. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.600 Christian fascists led by both Kelly Newt and John Doyle 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.800 have been terrorizing the University of North Texas campus for months. 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.639 On one occasion, they brought Proud Boy, armed security and 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.359 a technical pickup truck. Now when I say technical, I 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.440 mean like the military style vehicle like that. It was 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.719 a technical built onto a pickup truck, So basically a 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.639 massive truck armed with a pretty pretty intense gun. That 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:21.560 seems not legal somehow, but it's Texas. It's it is 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:28.920 absolutely legal. I'm going to place some audio from a 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.520 University of North Texas campus event that took place last 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:54.760 October featuring Doyle and his crew of fascists I am 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:06.960 you can't do nothing, you guys. I would play more audio, 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.840 but a high pitched whistle drowns out the rest of 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.600 what he says, and I will not subject you to 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.119 the audio of the whistle because it does a fantastic 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:20.119 job making the audio completely unlistenable, so much so that 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:24.000 very soon Doyle just like gave up talking because the 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:31.360 whistle did a really good job dryting about um. But 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:34.480 for more background, Doyle, I'll quote from a pizza gate 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.480 in every city again. Quote John Doyle, who yelled about 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.000 rape at children through a megaphone, has organized a stop 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.040 the Steel rally with Nick Quentez. Was a special guest 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.719 at the White Nationalist America First Pack Conference, and as 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.520 the leader of a group titled the American Populist Union, 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:57.360 he was in audience at a one event billed as 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:03.520 Hitler Youth without the Hitler. Wait, So can I ask 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.560 the question about this? So I've heard about this event? 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.960 Did they literally write that? Yes, it was called that 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.760 by one of the organizers. Ariel early eighteen year old 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.200 white nationalist social media influencer built as a special guest 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.359 at the camping retreat, saying, I always say these events 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:22.960 are Hitler youth without the Hitler And what do I 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.160 mean by that? You have to get to the youth. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:27.920 They claim Gen Z might be the most conservative generation, 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.640 but honestly, I'm not seeing it. I mean, I guess 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.919 that's good news if you ignore them, if you don't know, 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.960 if you know the Hitler part that well maybe the 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:43.920 father leader. Also, Kyle Rittenhouse says that he's a John 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:49.920 Doyle fan. So great and we are back. I'm gonna 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.880 continue to quote from the Pizza Game Every City article again. 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.600 Quote given many existing media connections. Videos from the event 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.520 made by far right content creators, some confronting attendees and performers, 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.680 were widely picked up across right wing social media by 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.760 people including Andy No, Benny Johnson, and Pizza Gate promoter 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.440 Jack Sobiak, who shared a video of one drag performer 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.840 and instructed his followers to contact the state's Department of 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.639 Family and Protective Services. When some of these same videos 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.399 made a two Tucker Carlson's show on Monday Night, he 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:25.040 introduced a segment by saying, just another weekend in vine Mar, 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:29.359 selectively airing moments when adults yelled back at people like Doyle, 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.439 accusing them of abuse, or when other adults used their 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.399 bodies to block men from forcing their way into the event. 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:38.920 All of this was used to portray the people threatening 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:44.160 the Pride event as the actual victims unquote so yeah. 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:46.680 Less than forty eight hours after the all ages Drag 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:51.320 event had begun, it was headlining on Tucker Carlson just 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:55.240 another weekend in Weimar. On Saturday, at nightclub in Dallas 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.320 held an event called Drag Your Kids to Pride. At 0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.280 the event, little kids dance with drag queens and tipped 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.919 them with dollar bills. This is grotesque, sexualizing children always is. 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.880 So there were a small number of brave protesters outside. 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:09.880 One of them was our friend Alex Stein. He tried 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.600 to get into the event because it was a public event, 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.280 and so he was assaulted. Watch The event on June 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.080 four also attracted an assorted collection of far right media 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:25.639 personalities or those who aspire to be they themselves. Referred 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.480 to their group of far right videographers as the quote 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:35.359 avengers of homophobes, among which, as mentioned by Tucker, was 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:39.640 aspiring comedian and small far right commentator Alex Stein, who 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:42.119 was prevented entry to the venue by event security and 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:46.719 community defenders or a sucker would say was assaulted. Here's 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.880 an audio of that interaction. Also, I want to note 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:53.160 that in the video Alex Stein has a big old 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:55.560 smirk on his face the entire time, and I think 0:22:55.600 --> 0:23:00.680 you can actually hear that through the way he talks 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:10.840 the time. And three were askingly, they're preg they're not 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.360 letting me baby here. I can't believe they're not letting 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:15.920 me in a game. But I thought, you guys are inclusions, right, 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:21.520 I'm not letuldren. You guys don't think that's weird trying 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:34.920 to dance in that groom, all right. Some of these 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:38.960 videographers did make it inside with their cameras, shooting videos 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:43.760 that misrepresented the drug performances as threatening to children or 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:48.120 acting in an inappropriate sexual manner, all while making threatening 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:53.200 comments of their own online or outside in person. One 0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:57.600 who interrogated a drag performer captioned his video quote, these 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:01.639 groomers need to be exposed for what they are. A 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:03.760 woman who shot some video from in the side of 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:09.600 the venue later tweeted, quote, this summer is slaying groomers summer. 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.919 Two far right members of the self described homophobic Avengers 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.040 who made it inside the event to film kids were 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:22.280 Taylor Hanson, who got a lot of notoriety after filming 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:26.760 the Ashley Babbit shooting as he was participating in the 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.879 storming of the capital, similar to how Elijah Shaffer was 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.280 like making the events seem like it was this big 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.080 heroic thing and then getting a lot of press coverage 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:38.240 off of off of his footage. And someone else who 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:40.240 was who was going inside the event to film kids 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:44.159 was Aldo but Ziani. After the event, the little collection 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:47.959 of self described Christian fascists and their propagandists got together 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:51.359 on Elijah Shaffer's Blaze Media podcast to do a sort 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.879 of round table report back. Now, Elija Shaffer was not 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:58.200 actually on that episode. John Doyle was filling in as 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:01.679 the host, self self described and fascist on Doyle but 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:06.119 Schaefer brands himself as a classic I'm gonna say Christian 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.679 fascist because that's what his rhetoric means. Now, Schaeffer himself 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:12.720 doesn't use the word fascist, but he does share son 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:15.520 and rab memes on Twitter and his and his rhetoric 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.840 is indistinguishable from Doyle's who of course, Doyle does use 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.879 the word fascist, and of course Schaefer is totally fine 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.199 with having Doyle fill in as him for host on 0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:29.359 his own show. Anyway, Here is Doyle introducing people on 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:34.840 that episode, including Turning Point USA representative Elizabel Riley. We 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:38.919 also have fellow e girl, Isabella Riley want to be 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.880 and I want white confetti, Please, white confetti. She likes 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:45.040 her confetti, how she likes her country. So anyway, tell 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:46.840 me what you saw, Aldough, because you got there a 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:48.600 little bit before I did. And now we all had 0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:51.560 this sort of like you know, homophobic avengers assemble kind 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:53.280 of thing where everyone did their part. I knew that 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:54.879 I probably couldn't get in, so I just thought that 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.600 I would assemble my army of young men to go 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:01.000 and confront these people. But although in Isabella actually infiltrated 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.520 the event and got the viral footage that you've probably 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:05.840 seen if you've been watching literally any news coverage of 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:09.480 this event. So that podcast can be found on YouTube 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:15.000 and Apple podcasts, just openly hosting content that's that's hosted 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:18.440 by a Christian fascist saying shit about wanting a white America. 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:27.080 Half a million subscribers on YouTube just yep. So this 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.679 ecosystem of aspiring right wing content creators is part of 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:34.760 this wave of like twenty something conservative influencers, Like twenty 0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:36.800 something that's like age, like they're all like their mid 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.360 twenties or something. Um. But these conservative influencers that are 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.760 trying to market like old school right wing evangelical bigotry 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:48.680 to young people as like a cool tread counterculture using 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:53.760 mem asthetics. Fundamentally, these people are attention hounds. As they 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.400 cover events like these on the ground, you can see 0:26:56.400 --> 0:27:00.639 them smirking the entire time, even when while are acting 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:05.480 hostile to them, like the spectacle is the point if 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:09.400 they're not posing an actual, like active threat. What these 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.000 far right videographers hate the most is non engagement, right, 0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:15.560 so if if there's the ability to do non engagement, 0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:19.640 that's what they don't like. The most annoyed these people 0:27:19.720 --> 0:27:23.080 get is when they're met with cold, still silence, like 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:26.439 in this case with Taylor Hanson. Can you guys, can 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:28.800 either you guys give me any information on I mean, 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:30.920 how you feel about what took place in here today 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:39.399 and about these counter protesters? What do you guys thinking? 0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:45.960 No words? Where do I getting rid of? Why do 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:52.200 you hide your face? Is it because you're committing crimes? 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:57.800 Maybe it crimes against children, So they hide their face 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.960 because they're too scared of being identified as pedophiles and groomers. So, 0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.040 I mean, you see this. This is a constant reoccurrence 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.840 with antifa and with left wing anarchist groups, and they'll 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.359 hide their face because they think they're all tough and 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.440 hard in big groups. But the minute that they're solowed 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:13.960 down and or actually ask questions, they have nothing to 0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.080 say about their ideology, their beliefs, about the fact that 0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.080 they are actually the fascist here in this situation. So, 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:22.880 I mean, I'd really like to just get one word 0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:24.640 out of you, ma'am, because I mean, you just want 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.280 to be so silent, but you're so humiently defending this. 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:30.200 I mean, do you have anything to say one more chance? 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:36.160 They know they're saying ridiculous things like none of which 0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.160 reads as genuine, Like they know the absurdity of their 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:43.240 own replies. In their podcasts, they talk about how disgusted 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.360 they were watching people dance together, but in their own 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:50.920 videos they're smiling, like relaxed, excited about what's going on 0:28:51.280 --> 0:28:53.920 and how they'll spend whatever is happening to boost their career. 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.320 If they were actually concerned about children, they wouldn't be 0:28:57.320 --> 0:29:00.160 having little giggle fests will inside events like the is 0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:03.440 right they call it a child grooming event, and they 0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:07.000 are not acting like there's anything bad happening, like you 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:08.840 can say like, oh, they're trying to play cool because 0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:12.760 they're doing infiltration. Like no, they're just being chill like 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:16.400 they're they're giggling and laughing and looking like look at 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:18.720 this gay people doing these things. I can't wait to 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.800 use footage of this to boost my career and misrepresented 0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:25.880 to a wider audience. We're in this like post irony 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:29.680 world in many In many aspects, the level of sincerity 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.880 does not actually matter, right. All it's necessary is saying 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.760 the lines from the script that the audience wants to hear. 0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:40.040 It's like algorithmically generated politics. You can talk about how 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:43.360 victims of sexual abuse should themselves be locked up so 0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:44.920 they won't go on to abuse of the people in 0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.720 the future, and even though you look at the camera 0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.040 at the end and give a knowing smirk, it doesn't 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:52.480 matter because you're just saying the things that are gonna 0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.520 get traction, and you're saying the things that your misogynist 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.960 audience wants to hear. Here's the turning point USA represent 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.479 that of Isabelle Riley on the Blaze Media podcast, who 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:05.480 at the end of the clip does indeed give a 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:09.360 very knowing look to camera and a little smirk. Should 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.600 we lock up people that I've had sexual Toronto in 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.719 their childhood because they tend to become abusers in the future. 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.719 Also just a few of their notes on this on 0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:22.000 this Blaze Media podcast. So I I listened to this 0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.760 whole podcast like twice to get to get clips for 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.840 my coverage here and just to kind of get a 0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.800 sense of what they were doing. Um, what one of 0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:33.360 the speakers on the on the podcast blamed like the 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:37.720 recent mass shootings on the presence of nearby sex shops. Um. 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:39.760 Some of the videographers who were on the show went 0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:43.120 on to Alex Jones's show the next day. You know 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:46.040 it was it was full of pretty I mean, it 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:50.160 was pretty bad homophobic rhetoric, but I mean it's just 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:52.880 so ever present that it's hard to even selectively get 0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:55.640 certain clips of it. Like they were doing a lot 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:59.520 of work to to tie mental illness to gainness, saying 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.720 that these two things were like intrinsically linked and that 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.400 if we just locked up more into mentally ill people 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.120 in institutions, we wouldn't have as many gay people. I think. 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.920 The other interesting thing that I found to be really 0:31:10.920 --> 0:31:13.600 funny in the podcast is that for for their first 0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:22.400 ad break, they were selling testosterone boosting supplements. So in this, 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:27.000 in this very like anti trans like podcast, the first 0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:31.560 product they were selling was supplements to boost your natural 0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:35.560 mail to stosterone. And it's just very funny because like 0:31:35.600 --> 0:31:38.440 they're you know, they're talking about how evil a turkey 0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.440 is and how evil and irreversible it is, and then 0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:45.320 they're also selling things that are supposed to boost testosterone levels. Right, 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:47.880 like we are in a post iro any world. It 0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:52.360 doesn't like this anyway. Here's here's one more clip from 0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:57.440 the podcast, talking about how the bigoted community is so diverse, 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.240 and you'll notice to our group was very dime verse, 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:01.920 which I think we made this point yesterday as well. 0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.280 The bigoted community is so accepting. All you have to 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.480 be is also bigoted, and you're allowed to hang out 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:08.000 with us. And so we had this nice mob of 0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.800 well dressed, handsome young guys to go confront these people 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.320 because no one else would. All right, that is that 0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:19.120 is enough of that um on onto our final section 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:25.280 of the day, so Texas based journalist Stephen Moncelli reported 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.680 that later that same night of the drag event, incidents 0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:33.480 that police categorized as terroristic threats of an anti homosexual 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:37.800 nature were reported by bar owners in the same neighborhood. 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.040 After the event, the venue and gay bar released a 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.320 media statement saying that it's weekly drag brunches are normally 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.000 for guests who are twenty one and over, but decided 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.640 to host a special Pride drag brunch for all guests, 0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.400 including those who can't attend other drag shows because of 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:57.760 the drinking age restrictions, and as a part to raise 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.680 money for a local l g B t Q youth organization, 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:03.520 adding that it was quote more than happy to open 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.080 our doors to celebrate Pride in a family friendly, safe 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.920 environment because we believe that everyone should have a space 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:14.600 to be able to celebrate who they are. Unquote. I'm 0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.800 gonna I'm gonna read another quote from uh I think 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:20.360 this is this is our last quote from Pizza Gate 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:24.840 in every city, quote the street confrontation, to video, to 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.640 Fox News to Republican Party. Pipeline took only a little 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.960 more than two days to complete. By the next Monday, 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:37.080 Texas Republicans state Representative Brian Slayton cited the Protect Texas 0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.360 Kids attack on the Dallas event in his announcement to 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.840 introduce quote a bill to ban drag shows in the 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:48.160 presence of miners in Texas unquote. A Florida state representative 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:52.120 pledged to follow suit. US representatives Marjorie Taylor Green and 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:56.320 Lauren Bobbert voiced their support. By then, Protect Texas Kids 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:59.080 had already moved on to a new target, an lgbt 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.760 Q affirming church that was having a service next to Sunday, 0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.760 and the group had already announced several more plans to 0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:10.840 protest LGBTQ spaces this month. What we are already seeing 0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.560 this Pride season is alarming, but it did not come 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.359 out of nowhere. There's a continuation of campaigns targeting drag 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.719 queen story hours. It was fed by Republican attacks on 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.680 queer and trans kids in the state legislators across the country, 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:27.359 and it is coordinated by people on the far right 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:32.000 who have names and very specific movement affiliations. As these 0:34:32.040 --> 0:34:36.080 threats continue, as they generate yet more videos of confrontations, 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.520 they may also give heft to the lie that supporting 0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:44.000 lgbt Q youth is grooming and that queer community spaces 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:48.319 are commercial settings for child abuse. No Republican would say 0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:51.520 the Pizza Gate shooter had a point, but now simply 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.760 based on videos of deliberate conversations with kids at Pride events, 0:34:55.000 --> 0:35:00.319 they're happy to co sign unquote. While make Is won't 0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:03.440 be able to consider a Slantin's proposal on a statewide 0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:07.960 band of kids being around drag performances until the tenth 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:12.800 of January, which is when the next Texas legislative session 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:16.920 kicks off. But if the no Drag around miners lug 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:21.640 it's enacted, that could have many many ramifications depending on enforcement. 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.640 One possible scenario is not being allowed to have dray 0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.640 get Pride, or people under the age of eighteen just 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.720 not being allowed to attend Pride all right, because those 0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:33.160 if you're having a Pride Pride and the drike performers 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.359 and the kids there, now that's a crying You're all 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:38.719 going to jail. Um. You could also just see this 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:43.600 as an attempt by Texas to recriminalize cross dressing, because 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:46.560 by and large, drag shows and events are usually taking 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:50.760 place at twenty one and up bars. Right, generally unless 0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:54.480 it's the drag time storytime stuff like drags not around 0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:58.839 kids super often, right, and including like very like non 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.000 sexual dragons. That's just because of because of how laws 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.799 work around bars us. Usually those things don't have much crossover. 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.080 But that's not what they're targeting though, right. They just 0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.719 don't want gay people or men in dresses to be 0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:16.080 around kids. Right. If you're seeing cross dressing while a 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:19.040 child is nearby, now that's a drag show. You're going 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.760 to jail. And if you think a ban on quote 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:25.040 drag in front of children won't be applied to just 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.360 trans people existing in public, then again, I don't know 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:32.120 what to tell you because depending on how they define 0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:35.440 what drag is like, they're not limiting this to like 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:40.319 drag shows. They're talking about men in dresses like that. 0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:42.760 That's that's what it's going to be. Because they're targeting 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.600 library events, they're targeting events in public. It's not it's 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.759 not about like drag shows with tickets and stuff. It's 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:52.960 about men wearing dresses or you know, in the in 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:57.120 the case the trans people just existing. Here here's the 0:36:57.160 --> 0:37:01.640 Helm of Public Avengers talking about the introduced legislation after 0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.879 their little propaganda campaign. But wow, the guys, we really 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:06.480 did and I'm not trying to pat ourselves on the back, 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.719 but which Brian Slaton with the legislation he's trying to 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.440 put through exposing these people. We really did take a 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:14.240 wt in the culture battle. We didn't win the culture warrior. 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:17.719 I don't think I've ever seen such enough I mean 0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:21.399 an after effect of an event. I mean in positivity 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:23.120 for us. I mean, I don't think I've ever seen, 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.840 you know, a bunch of journalists go and expose an 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:28.960 event like this and then have actual legislation drafted almost 0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.719 immediately after. I think this is a new sphere that 0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:33.719 we're entering in, and I think, I mean, we got 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.600 a freaking role with Yeah. I really hope that the 0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:38.919 momentum is maintained. To close off I'm gonna I'm gonna 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:42.640 riff off a point made by Stephen Moncelli. At what 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.960 point will become clear to those in media who run 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.719 quotes or use selective footage from these people that intentionally 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.400 obscure the extreme nature of their beliefs. Right, These these 0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:59.000 are not like simple economic conservatives. However, if contemporary mainstream 0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:02.279 conservatives are willing to accept this sort of politics in 0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.920 their movement. Then it's the case that mainstream conservatism in 0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:11.239 America has become almost indistinguishable from fascism. Much of the 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.640 coverage of the protest of this Pride event gives credibility 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:18.960 to the fascist side, basically endorsing their homophobic framing, positioning 0:38:19.040 --> 0:38:24.359 the drag performers as somehow inherently sexual for wearing them 0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:29.399 outfits and doing dances that are in reality more conservative 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:34.239 than your basic high school cheerleading team. Mainstream media and pundance, 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:37.720 and even some leftist ones quote like quote unquote leftist 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:41.320 pundance fell for the bait and treated kids playing musical 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:45.160 chairs with people in drag and giving the performers cash 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.719 from their parents as more inappropriate than the mob of 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:52.520 open fascists hurling verbal abuse at kids and chasing them 0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:56.680 down as they head to their cars. So that is 0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:59.880 my little right up on what has happened in dal 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:04.840 Us last week. Um, they are the Protect Texas Kids 0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:09.160 group is planning more and more events in Texas for 0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:14.280 for four Pride months. It's they're they're they're they're targeting 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:17.440 not just events with kids, they're also targeting twenty one 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:21.719 and up drag brunches. They're targeting churches. They're doing the 0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:26.719 bit right there doing the thing, and people really fell 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:29.279 for the bait on this one. People really did. Um. 0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.680 If I've seen all of the videos from the events, 0:39:32.680 --> 0:39:37.960 there's nothing inherently sexual about these people's style of dancing, 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:41.279 there's nothing inherently sexual about their outfits. Right, playing with 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:45.879 gender isn't inherently sexual. It's playing with gender. It's these 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:52.200 are those are two different things. Um so, but yeah, 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:53.879 a lot of a lot of a lot of people 0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.920 fell fell for the bit um. A lot of people 0:39:57.040 --> 0:40:00.080 took the bait. We're sharing photos and being like, look this, 0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:03.640 how can you defend this? So, like defend what it's 0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.240 people dancing you would see, you would see it's it's 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:12.120 the dances are not like, they're not about sex, they're 0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:18.400 not imitating sex acts. It's just it's fun and chill. Um. 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:20.400 People got really mad at there was there was a 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:24.400 sign at the at the venue that was an innuendo, 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.760 and there's a ice cream shop like a block away 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:31.879 from the venue with the very same sign. Um, they're 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:33.520 not actually mad about that, Like, that's not what they're 0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:35.800 actually mad about. Because you can walk down the street 0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:38.160 and look at so many, so many things. They're innuendoes 0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.160 if you want, if you watch a Pixar movie right there, 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:43.000 there will there will be anuendos. That's not what they're 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.719 talking about. They're talking about gay people being around kids, 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:49.240 and I would like for people to stop falling for debate. Anyway, 0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.319 I'm we're gonna be doing another episode on the City 0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:54.839 of Hate, on the homophobook stuff in Dallas later later 0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:57.359 this week, and we're gonna be talking about Steadfast Church. 0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.680 I'm still writing that episode at the moment, but I'm 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:01.840 planning to put that out later this week as well. 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.200 And depending how the Gunderline event went to Idaho and 0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.239 the various other things, I'm sure we'll be talking more 0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:10.520 about this type of stuff as as Pride goes on. 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:15.120 So yeah, Chris, any thoughts on the word vomit? I 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:17.640 just gave it for the past forty minutes, you know, 0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:22.440 and mostly just like I don't know, it's it's we. 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.640 We We've somehow managed to create a version of like 0:41:26.520 --> 0:41:29.760 the like worst at parts of like the queer Bashing 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.439 two thousand's, but like even worse, because now there's there's 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:37.239 an even larger media cycle around it, And like, I 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:39.760 think it's worth mentioning that, like one of the ways 0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.799 that stuff ended was that like a lot of people, 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:48.120 most of them would were like like systons, straight right people, 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.520 a bunch of people who weren't queer. We're just like 0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:54.120 literally fucked this and started attacking people back. And you know, 0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.160 you see the working clas neighborhoods right there. There'd be 0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.400 a period of time where you have these evangelical churches 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.320 who are just you know, like openly insiding attacks on 0:42:01.360 --> 0:42:03.600 people until they got the ship beat out of them 0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:05.799 by a bunch of working class kids. And that's when 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:09.040 that ship stopped. And unless we fucking fight these people, 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:11.400 they're going to keep doing this until people start getting murdered. 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:13.359 And I guess I know a more positiing to end 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:17.400 on would be saying big thank you to everyone who 0:42:17.440 --> 0:42:21.440 showed up to physically oppose this. UM. When I was 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:26.799 listening to the Homophobic Avengers podcast, John Doyle said that 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.680 there was a few points where he was scared. Um. 0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:33.319 There were some people who some some people wearing like 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:39.839 pride bandanas and stuff who had handguns, um, and he 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.799 did not John Doyle did not like that. At one 0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.440 point he talked about how he was heading to his 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.600 car and there was in the counter the counter demonstrators 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.240 were following him to make sure he was actually going 0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:53.200 to leave UM and he saw that some of the 0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:58.800 people were carrying UM and he freaked out. He screamed 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.480 for police, and he's said that these people were threatening 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:06.400 to shoot him, UM, which is mean, just an attempt 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.359 to get police to shoot the Canadas traders, right, like 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:12.440 it's it's it's it's just it's John Doyle screaming. These 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.719 people have guns, They're trying to shoot me, right And 0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.600 even though they were, they weren't even holding their guns. 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:21.120 They were they were they were they were just having guns. 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:24.680 But like, these people can't be scared. And again, no 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.000 one was even violent against John Doyle. That was just 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:31.640 people who were who were carrying standing near him UM. 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.040 And I just big thank you to everybody who showed 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:38.000 up to try to prevent these fascists from chasing down 0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:42.080 these kids, from hurling abuse at these kids. UM. I 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:46.319 would recommend you follow uh the elm Fork John Brown 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:48.879 Gun Club on Twitter. They did a really good job 0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:52.640 documenting this UM and then for the stuff in Idaho, 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:58.439 you can follow Redoubt anti fascists. Um, those those would 0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:00.000 be the two the two people I say to follow 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:02.880 on Twitter right now. Um for attracting these attacks on 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:07.080 pride in Texas and inside Idaho. Um, I guess that's 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:09.759 that's think. Yeah, yeah, I guess The last thing I 0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:13.200 would say is just like it's important to remember that 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:15.759 unlike a lot of the periods in queer history, like 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:19.160 these people are actually a minority, and and like they're 0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.880 trying to regress, right, like they we've already got to 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:24.399 this point, they're trying to pull it back. Yeah, this 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.080 is kind of a new thing, but it's like but yeah, 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.279 but it's like listening, like we like on unlike the 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.319 fucking seventies, Like we are actually the solent majority here 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.719 and if enough people fucking show up, And just like 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:41.160 these people need to be framed as Yeah, I excuse 0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:44.200 my I guess semi ablest language here, but like I 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:47.440 deal with my ideal, mental ideal, with mental health issues 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:49.279 of my own, but like, these people need need to 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.480 be framed as whack ups, right they these people need 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:53.400 need to be framed as frames. These people need to 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:58.000 be framed as as crazy extremists. They need they need 0:44:58.040 --> 0:45:00.080 to be belittled, they need to be put down, They 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.359 need to be they need to be viewed as as 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:06.200 as as pathetic as is scared, right like that, that's 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:10.560 the way to do successful proprianda framing, um, because they 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.600 need to be they need to stay outside the majority, 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:16.319 right like, they need to be mothered. That's the way 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.400 to win this, right that That's the thing they always 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:20.640 That's the thing they always try to do, right, That's 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:23.000 why they always try to frame gay people as being 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.000 severely mentally ill a the time, right like that. That 0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:28.839 that's all what they try to do. And because enough 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.480 of progress has happened, we we just need to defend 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.920 the line that is already drawn because like like I 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:38.319 said before, right like, these people are not regular economic conservatives, 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:41.520 right but if mainstream and conservatism is going to be 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:44.799 is cont is going to continue to accept this politics 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.799 in their movement, then mainstream conservatism will be the same 0:45:47.840 --> 0:45:50.480 as fascism. Right. So you need to point at the 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:52.560 people like John Doyle, point at the people who call 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:58.040 themselves Christian fascists and be so demeaning to them, um 0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:02.439 and so making them feel so separate from every part 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:06.640 of regular social life, and because their whole goals to 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:09.759 integrate themselves into the larger conservative movement, integrate themselves into 0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:28.480 larger American politics, and that can't happen. Welcome to it 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.160 could happen? Here a podcast where you all keep telling 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:33.200 me that we keep doing depressing episodes and we never 0:46:33.239 --> 0:46:36.200 do any episodes that aren't dumerism. So today this is 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:39.279 a podcast about how you can find the people who 0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:42.279 are making your life really bad and make bad things 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:45.680 happen to them instead. And with me to talk about 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:48.799 how this has been done and also can be done, 0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:52.480 is Janet you, who is a tenant organizer with the 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:56.040 Chinatown Community for Equitable Development in l A. And on 0:46:56.560 --> 0:47:00.880 here's another tenant organizer and leader at Northside Villa um A. Janis, 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.399 thank you so much for joining us. Thank you Yeah, 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:09.680 and it's Hillside VideA not sorry, no way. So this 0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:11.320 is what happens when I have m R I brand. 0:47:12.080 --> 0:47:14.839 I guess okay, So the first thing I want to 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:19.080 sort of walk through is basically, can can can you 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.680 describe the win you all had a couple of weeks ago? Yeah, 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:24.520 I can go ahead and start and then and I 0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:27.399 if you want to fill in at all UM. So 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.520 a couple of weeks ago we were able to successfully 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:35.520 push our city council to approve alone to acquire Hillside 0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:39.400 Viea from slum lord Tom Bots. And so just to 0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:42.720 make it clear, this isn't the end of the fight. 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:46.520 We have not fully appropriated tom Bots at the moment, 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:50.640 but this is a huge victory and commitment from the 0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:54.319 city to take the building from him. So it was 0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.160 really really exciting for all of us. You know. I 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.360 guess one thing I want to clarify from the outset 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.800 is that a lot of the reporting about it seemed 0:48:01.920 --> 0:48:03.520 like a lot of the reporting about it was saying 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:05.720 that the city had had voted to use eminent domain 0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:09.399 and they have not done that, which is my understanding. Yeah. Yeah, 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.560 So to clarify that part two the motion that was 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:17.200 past it does include that eminent domain will be used 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:20.800 if the landlord does not willingly sell, which he most 0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:25.440 likely will not of course, yeah exactly, so he's not 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:27.520 going to will and he sell his building. It does 0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:30.040 include that it will be used and as part of 0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:35.360 the pathway, um, but it does not specifically past the 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:38.480 eminent domain piece, so that will be something that we 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:42.400 will probably have to organize around. Um. Yeah, and if 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.760 I'm understanding correctly, then understand that that requires a second vote, 0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:51.520 right M yeah, yeah, but I guess okay, first off, also, congratulations, 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:57.240 this rules us really exciting. Um yeah, And I guess 0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:00.480 the second thing I wanted to ask about was how 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.319 how this organizing process started and how are you able 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.680 to do this because this is a this is a 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:12.799 rare massive w that yeah mm hmm. Yeah, so this 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:17.400 has been a three year struggle, um, and I can 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:20.120 give a little bit of context around how how it 0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:23.439 got started and then Mediana you can take it from there. UM. 0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:27.600 So basically, Hillside Via is part of a massive amount 0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:32.280 of buildings that were built in the eighties, UM using 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:38.760 different kinds of federal and state subsidies. UM. And basically yeah, 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:42.840 it was UM subsidies that were used to fund private 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:48.000 developers to keep buildings affordable for a temporary period of time, 0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:53.200 so using affordable housing covenants. And so Hillside covenant expired 0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:59.160 in twenty nineteen after thirty years of being kept affordable 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:03.160 for the tenants. And as soon as that happened, UM, 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:06.239 the landlord of course tried to increase the rent to 0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:10.960 market rate, So folks were receiving up to two rent increases. 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:15.399 Mm hmm yeah, so you know to actually like talk 0:50:15.440 --> 0:50:18.319 about what those numbers are. People who are paying eight 0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:22.040 hundred dollars for rent were now being asked to pay liked. 0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:26.640 So that's a de facto eviction, right, And um, as 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:30.160 soon as that happened, there's actually this like origin story 0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:34.400 that I really love is that one of our tenant leaders, Leslie, 0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:38.480 who's uh bilingual like Spanish and English speaker, she came 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:42.600 up to a tenant who is a modelingual Cantonese speaker, 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.840 held up one of the rent increases, ripped it to shreds, 0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:52.719 and the Benson, our Cantonese tenant leader, just said okay. 0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:55.640 And that's like one of the origin stories that really 0:50:55.680 --> 0:51:00.239 just shows like how um yeah, like opposite and all 0:51:00.280 --> 0:51:03.560 our tenants were from the beginning. Um. And then what 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:07.160 happened was that another tenant leader, Louisa, who actually has 0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:11.440 since passed away due to COVID, she actually called all 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.920 the news stations in l A just blew this the 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:17.800 funk up and um yeah, and then that's how organizers 0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:19.680 kind of got involved and maybe and I you can 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:24.280 share your personal experience of going through all of this. Yeah, 0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:29.640 for sure. UM so about right a little before the 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:33.839 association was started at Hillside Villa, UM, we had been 0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:38.440 living here for about seven years and at that time, 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:42.680 UM So, I was working with my mom at the time, 0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:46.280 and we went out um in the morning for work. 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:52.239 We came back around the afternoon, UM to find that 0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:57.799 we couldn't get into our apartment. Our keys were actually um, 0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:00.640 they weren't going into the locks. So we went to 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.919 the manager's office and asked them, like why our key 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:08.279 wasn't working. So they sent management up to our our 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:11.399 floor and UM they told us that we had been 0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:15.319 evicted and that we couldn't like go back and yeah, 0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:19.520 that we couldn't go back into our apartment. UM. So 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:25.239 it's just just within that one that one morning, you know, 0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.800 our whole pretty much our whole life was like flipped 0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:33.400 upside down. UM. They told us that they actually worked 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:37.439 unfortunately with them, and I think this is a very 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:42.680 common UM thing, is that UM landlords UM work directly 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:45.759 with the Sheriff's department. So the sheriff department came and 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:54.000 switched out our lock. UM. So we were pretty much uprooted. UM. 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:56.799 That day, UM, we had to figure out like what 0:52:56.880 --> 0:53:01.439 to do. UM, we were all set brated, like that day, 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.320 we all, you know, my sister went to her friend's house, 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.759 my mom had to go rent a hotel to stay 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:10.879 with UM her husband, and then I went to my 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:16.760 partner's house. So that lasted about two to three days. 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:20.920 And in those two to three days, we were personally. 0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:25.200 I started looking up tenant laws, tenant rights, and we 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:30.279 found thanks to to a friend, UM, she recommended the 0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:35.680 Eviction Defense Network, who provides UM free lawyers for UM 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:40.680 tenants facing UM eviction in l A. So they heard 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:43.839 us up with a lawyer and UM they found that UM, 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:46.759 the eviction had actually been an illegal eviction. And then 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:49.440 we all we also had like the paperwork to show 0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:54.719 that that it was an illegal eviction. So UM we 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:58.399 threatened to sue UM the landlord and because of that, 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.480 he dropped the case and us back in to our 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:05.359 apartment after like three or four days or something like 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:09.399 that from what I can remember, UM, but in those 0:54:09.480 --> 0:54:15.839 days it was it was really enraging obviously, like who 0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:19.440 wouldn't be like super piste off at this, like it 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:24.680 would boil your blood you know, and and it did. UM. 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:31.200 And that's one of the things that like, UM kind 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:35.719 of made me um or very much so more involved 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:41.359 in like tenant rights and and UM organizing. UM. And 0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:43.640 then also like just to throw this in a little 0:54:43.640 --> 0:54:47.400 more detail, UM, when we were locked out, UM, they 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:51.120 actually locked our animals in in c the apartment, so 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:54.399 we couldn't even get our dogs right away. Oh my god, 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:56.399 did they like were they okay? Like did you were 0:54:56.440 --> 0:55:00.520 able to like was anyone feeding them? Like they weren't 0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:02.520 there all the three days I think we were. We 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:06.160 had to like really like push for them to open 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:08.719 up the apartment so that we can get them, like 0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:13.040 the day of UM. But then like we couldn't just 0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:17.160 like grab all our things, UM, including like medication that 0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:24.240 was like for my mom's husband who has diabetes and whatnot. 0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:28.479 So I think that was like the first time we 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:33.360 acted as a family to like not let um someone 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:38.440 pretty much bully and harass us into a forced eviction 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:45.800 that was completely illegal. UM. And that's within that time. 0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:49.359 It was also happening to all the tenants around us. 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.839 I mean there was the word was going all over 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:56.759 the apartment. I mean you you could see management was 0:55:56.880 --> 0:56:00.680 doing a cash for keys um, which is also an 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:05.319 illegal tactic for UM landlords to do. And UM they 0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:11.399 were trying Yeah, UM, so cash for keys UM. It's 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:14.319 probably going to be like a rough definition of what 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:20.080 it is, but it's when UM, when a landlord offers 0:56:20.719 --> 0:56:23.200 a certain amount of money in order for you to 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:26.000 give up your apartment UM. And this could be a 0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:31.759 couple of thousand, UM, ten thousand, twenty thousand, sometimes way 0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:35.520 less than that. UM. So that was a tactic that 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.000 he was trying to use to evict people from our 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:42.839 apartment so that he could remodel and then UM move 0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:45.200 it up to like market rate and get pretty much 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:48.640 all of our community out of this apartment, which was 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:52.160 an affordable apartment. UM. It worked for a lot of 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.640 some tenants did end up doing that. A lot of 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:59.919 people didn't want to fight back UM, but the one 0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:05.919 that did UM started the association UM. And there's also 0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:09.480 a lot of like language barriers with the tenants UM, 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:13.920 some that only spoke Spanish and didn't understand what was happening. 0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:18.000 They were trying to get people to sign contracts UM 0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:23.400 for for the increase of the rent UM. Yeah. So 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:28.240 that was my experience here to begin with um and 0:57:28.240 --> 0:57:32.600 and why we decided to fight back and not allow 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:37.880 this to to happen to our family, but also like 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:41.360 our community here who were also experiencing the same thing. 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:43.840 You know, it wasn't just an ice. I say this 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:46.600 all the time. It felt like an isolated situation at 0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:50.160 the time, but it on the broader perspective, it was 0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:55.080 not an isolated thing. And that's what brought our community together. 0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:02.640 That's a really powerful being, doably enraging. And yeah, there's 0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:05.000 a lot of really interesting things they're like, I mean, one, obviously, 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:09.720 the cops doing like the sheriff's like helping them do 0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:14.400 the illegal eviction is just incredibly on the nose. And 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:16.880 the one thing I think is really interesting about the 0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:20.880 way that like I mean, okay, the the way the 0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.440 law only exists for rich people if you can like 0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:26.880 throw it into their faces and make it embarrassing enough 0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:29.920 that like the state has to enforce it. So I 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:32.040 read a lot of media coverage of this, and not 0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:35.720 a single person who who covered the story that that 0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:38.720 that I saw from these articles mentioned that the that 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.120 cash for keys is illegal a lot because a lot 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:42.760 of the articles mentioned it, but they don't they don't. 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:44.680 They don't mention that like you legally can't do this, 0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:48.960 and so yeah, I think that's a that that that's 0:58:49.200 --> 0:58:50.680 I don't know, I guess it goes to show that 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:55.320 like even among the press, like whose job it is 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.760 to do this, there's there's such like little there's such 0:58:58.760 --> 0:59:02.840 a little knowledge of what what what practices aren't and 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:05.680 are and aren't allowed, and that Yeah, I mean I 0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:07.160 think as you're talking about like that, that that that's one 0:59:07.200 --> 0:59:09.880 of the they're they're relying like in order to do this, 0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.000 suff landlords are like, yeah, that they're they're relying on 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:14.600 people not knowing the rights to relying on being able 0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:18.720 to trick people. They're relying on just straight up handing 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:22.480 people stuff they can't read and forcing them to sign it, 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:26.720 which I don't know that my brain is weird, But 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:28.840 like the thing that reminds me of is like that 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:32.040 the Spanish conquistadors showing up and then really like ask 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:34.840 asking people to convert to Christianity in Spanish language they 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:37.560 didn't speak, and then shooting them when they didn't do it. 0:59:37.560 --> 0:59:43.320 It's like, yeah, that's a fitting analogy. Honestly. Yeah, it's 0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:49.520 a new form of colonization and one that we're you know, resisting. Yeah, 0:59:50.280 --> 0:59:51.680 yea that that was one of the other things I 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:54.280 wanted to talk about in terms of resisting this kind 0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:58.480 of stuff is Yeah, what what was it like dealing 0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:01.400 with the kind of anguage barriers that you get here? 1:00:01.400 --> 1:00:03.520 What you have? I don't know, Like, I mean, you've 1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:05.960 mentioned like at least three languages that people are speaking. 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:09.000 There's probably more because that's just that's how working class 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:13.240 communities work. Mm hmm. Yeah. I feel like that's been 1:00:13.320 --> 1:00:17.320 such a central part of our fight, is language justice 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:21.680 and the tenant meetings that we've had every single week 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:25.360 for the past three years. Um, so that's like about 1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:28.240 a hundred and fifteen meetings. Every single one of them 1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:32.840 has included some form of translation. Um. So yeah, we've 1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:38.240 had a lot of support from folks from Union Davos organizers. 1:00:38.280 --> 1:00:44.400 There have gear where we can do like simultaneous translation. Yeah. 1:00:44.520 --> 1:00:46.520 So if you go to one of our meetings, it's 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:51.600 folks who, um, if they're modelingual Spanish or English speakers, 1:00:51.600 --> 1:00:54.800 they're having a headset on where we then have someone 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:59.600 who's offering simultaneous translation. Um. And then since we have 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:03.680 few Cantonese or Mandarin speakers will also have organizers on 1:01:03.720 --> 1:01:07.560 the side doing UM consecutive translation for them. So our 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:10.800 meetings are run and like usually three if not more 1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:15.360 languages M and I guess, I guess. It leads into 1:01:15.480 --> 1:01:19.160 another question that I had, which was, so, how how 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:22.720 did I think from my understanding this on one of 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:27.120 the parts of the story is like, is people who 1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:31.120 people who have been doing established tenant organizing like getting 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:33.360 getting involved with the struggle, And I wanted to, I guess, 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:39.520 talk about how that happens. And yeah, yeah, yeah, So 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:43.720 I think because that original tenant, Louisa like really blew 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:47.480 this story up. UM different orbs heard about it, and 1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:51.160 eventually UM LAT too, so the l A Tenants Union 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:54.280 and then c c D UM, the organ that I'm in, 1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:59.720 we heard about it and got involved long term. And 1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:03.720 even with that, like I'm a relatively new organizer, I 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.640 only started volunteering with CCD a couple of years ago, 1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:09.439 so it's really been like one of my first UM 1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:12.160 site fights we like to call them. But there are 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:15.720 other folks who have had more a bit more experience 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:19.240 with different buildings in l A as well. But I 1:02:19.280 --> 1:02:22.320 think what's important to emphasize is that this fight has 1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:26.200 really been tenant lead um, and even though we have 1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:31.080 like these kind of yeah outside organizers, it's always been 1:02:31.560 --> 1:02:38.000 the tenants demands and the tenants interests first. Yeah. It 1:02:38.040 --> 1:02:40.160 seems I mean, you know, from from your descriptionships like 1:02:40.160 --> 1:02:42.400 people showing up a translation equipment. Yeah, it seems like 1:02:43.000 --> 1:02:44.640 a really good way to do this kind of stuff, 1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:46.840 which is you show up and you give help to people, 1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:49.400 but it's it's you know, it's it's them doing the organizing, 1:02:50.240 --> 1:02:53.320 which I don't know, reminds me a lot of like, 1:02:53.440 --> 1:02:56.280 I mean, my experiences in union organizing stuff, which is like, yeah, 1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:59.600 I know, it's it's some Yeah, like you have people 1:02:59.680 --> 1:03:02.160 who experience with stuff and they come in and their 1:03:02.240 --> 1:03:05.439 job is to help the people who are actually trying 1:03:05.480 --> 1:03:09.840 to organize the place. Mm hmm yeah exactly exactly, the 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:14.000 people who are like actually directly impacted. Um. Yeah. I 1:03:14.040 --> 1:03:17.240 feel like our role has really just been facilitating, offering 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:21.200 like the technical support, um more of that stuff. But 1:03:21.680 --> 1:03:24.360 I think you can really talk about how so much 1:03:24.400 --> 1:03:27.120 of this fight has really been building the tenant's power 1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:31.160 and becoming more and more like militant um and radical 1:03:31.280 --> 1:03:35.960 and just the tenants like yeah, really most definitely feeling 1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:41.200 their own fire. Yeah. So we are like super duper 1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:46.320 grateful for the UM organizers that have come out for 1:03:46.360 --> 1:03:51.120 the last three years or however long UM they've decided 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:56.200 to or have joined the association to help UM and 1:03:56.240 --> 1:04:00.480 a lot of the tenants always always like give things 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:05.040 and they're super appreciative or the organizers, But sometimes they 1:04:05.040 --> 1:04:08.600 don't give themselves the credit either. They think it's only 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:14.680 like they think the organizers, which is obviously like super 1:04:14.680 --> 1:04:19.000 important and we're super grateful, but they don't realize that 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:25.800 they're a huge part of of the fight. UM. For example, UM, 1:04:25.840 --> 1:04:30.560 actually my mom UH has been a part of the 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:34.240 association for longer than I have. UM. I've only been 1:04:34.360 --> 1:04:38.920 organizing for about UM well not only UM a year 1:04:38.960 --> 1:04:43.360 and a half, but she's actually been in the organization 1:04:43.600 --> 1:04:49.280 for three years UM because not only because she needed 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:55.840 the support and the organizers really helped to UM to 1:04:55.960 --> 1:05:00.080 guide her to like learn to use her voice for 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:07.280 UM for the outcome that we all want to see. UM. 1:05:07.320 --> 1:05:11.960 And a lot of the tenants are UM are women, 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:18.040 their elders, you know, their generation elders, so UM, they're 1:05:18.160 --> 1:05:24.280 very strong people they UM a lot of like the 1:05:24.320 --> 1:05:30.000 elder like UM like I guess Latina, I don't know 1:05:30.040 --> 1:05:33.240 how I feel about that term. But UM, you know, 1:05:33.480 --> 1:05:40.919 women UM are our natural leaders, and with the help 1:05:41.000 --> 1:05:46.320 of the organizers, UM, they really just helped to to 1:05:46.400 --> 1:05:50.200 help them too, you know, use their voice and to 1:05:50.400 --> 1:05:54.360 empower them to to do what they can naturally do, 1:05:54.600 --> 1:05:58.919 which is speak up and ask for what they want. So, yeah, 1:05:59.080 --> 1:06:03.080 my mom is learned over the last three years how 1:06:03.080 --> 1:06:08.600 to talk in front of politicians, how to UM communicate 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:12.720 the process and the struggle that we've all been enduring, 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:18.920 but to also demand what we rightfully deserve, which is housing, 1:06:19.160 --> 1:06:23.720 safe housing, and for politicians to do their job, which 1:06:23.760 --> 1:06:28.160 is to represent as they should be the community that 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:32.840 they are working for and not and you know, not 1:06:32.960 --> 1:06:35.919 to beg them to do things, but to demand that 1:06:36.200 --> 1:06:39.320 um they take action in the way that we have 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:45.920 taken action UM, much more than than any politician has 1:06:45.960 --> 1:06:48.800 in the last three years. UM. It was up to 1:06:48.840 --> 1:06:53.000 the tenants and it still is and thanks to them 1:06:53.080 --> 1:06:56.080 we have gotten as far as we have. That That 1:06:56.200 --> 1:06:58.760 was that was yeah, really well said. I want to 1:06:58.880 --> 1:07:02.720 I guess shift a little bit into talking about like 1:07:03.040 --> 1:07:06.880 what specifically y'all were doing because I guess I guess 1:07:06.920 --> 1:07:10.280 both that is like what how how how how did 1:07:10.280 --> 1:07:13.480 you actually do this? And then how can other people 1:07:13.520 --> 1:07:18.000 sort of like how can other people replicate it? Mm hmm, yeah, 1:07:18.480 --> 1:07:21.160 I don't know that we necessarily have like a model, 1:07:21.680 --> 1:07:25.800 UM that other people can apply, because I think reflecting 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:28.920 about this whole fight, it was such a like just 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:34.200 dynamic campaign where at first when it started, UM folks 1:07:34.280 --> 1:07:38.400 war kind of using more you know, like legal tactics, 1:07:38.440 --> 1:07:42.840 just like looking for errors in UM the rent increases 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:45.120 that bots would hand out and this would you know, 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:48.720 lead to UM being able to stall the rent hikes 1:07:48.800 --> 1:07:52.440 for months at a time. UM. But then that obviously 1:07:52.600 --> 1:07:57.520 wasn't enough, so then people started escalating and UM eventually 1:07:57.560 --> 1:08:00.520 like putting pressure to get this on the radar of 1:08:01.120 --> 1:08:05.560 our districts, like city council person Gil Cudeo, And eventually, 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:08.920 through that, UM they were able to get Cudeo to 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.760 make a deal with the landlord to extend the covenant 1:08:13.000 --> 1:08:17.720 UM and have his clan spe his debt beat forgiven. UM. 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:20.559 But the landlord just like renegged on that deal, right, 1:08:20.720 --> 1:08:26.519 So yeah, yeah, so then UM, I think it's through 1:08:26.600 --> 1:08:31.160 those experiences that the tenants really learned like Okay, it's 1:08:31.200 --> 1:08:34.560 like this politician is not going to save us. Um. 1:08:34.600 --> 1:08:38.840 So then I think our fight became more and more militant, 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:42.880 so just directly going to the landlords Malibu Villa and 1:08:43.640 --> 1:08:47.360 shouting like fuck you, and you know, just like yeah, 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:51.920 just like those direct confrontations. And then even Sidio himself 1:08:52.120 --> 1:08:56.439 UM has not been you know, this friendly relationship where 1:08:56.479 --> 1:09:01.679 we're thanking him for putting our putting our story into 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:07.120 city council. It's been extremely confrontational and oppositional the entire time. 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:09.840 And I think thinking about what got us this recent 1:09:09.880 --> 1:09:13.760 when it was um as it has been this whole 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:17.760 fight direct action, because we ended up the first day 1:09:17.800 --> 1:09:20.479 that city Council opened up to the public again, a 1:09:20.560 --> 1:09:23.720 group of us went in kind of like slid our 1:09:23.760 --> 1:09:28.520 way through security and went to his office and surprisingly 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:31.559 he opened the door um and it was him and 1:09:31.640 --> 1:09:35.560 not a staffer, and of course he saw it was us, 1:09:35.720 --> 1:09:39.080 so he immediately tried to close the door, and one 1:09:39.120 --> 1:09:44.000 of our amazing tenant leaders, Rosario, who's yeah, this elder 1:09:44.360 --> 1:09:48.000 um Latino woman, she stuck her foot in the door 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:52.799 and refused to let him close it. Yeah, and because 1:09:52.840 --> 1:09:55.519 of that, we were able to just like directly confront 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:57.519 him like, where the funk have you been? It's been 1:09:57.560 --> 1:10:01.400 three years, um, and you haven't seen this through like 1:10:01.439 --> 1:10:04.519 you said you were going to. And we got all that, 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:10.280 you know, UM, recorded video evidence of him UM just yeah, 1:10:10.320 --> 1:10:15.360 fumbling around, and he sent the cops on us of course. UM. 1:10:15.920 --> 1:10:18.439 And Yeah, I think that was such a great action 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:21.040 because all of the we call them like the muhera, 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:23.559 so the Latino women who have been leading the fight, 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:26.680 they were just so defiant towards the cops. UM, not 1:10:26.760 --> 1:10:29.920 scared at all, and just you know, standing their ground 1:10:30.000 --> 1:10:32.680 and that they're just defending you know, they're human right 1:10:32.720 --> 1:10:38.120 to housing. UM. And a week after that confrontational action, 1:10:38.920 --> 1:10:43.400 we got this, UM, this city council motion passed. So, 1:10:44.240 --> 1:10:48.640 you know, I think from our experience trying to go 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:52.520 through the NXT way and like you know, doing traditional lobbying, 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:57.000 trying to schedule meetings and like texting, calling all of that, 1:10:57.760 --> 1:11:01.639 things didn't happen for years. And then we did more 1:11:01.640 --> 1:11:06.000 and more militant actions, things happened really quickly. Yeah. Another 1:11:06.040 --> 1:11:08.640 thing I'd like to add on to that, UM that 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:12.360 I actually heard was something that not a lot of 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:17.639 UM other associations UM that are fighting for their housing 1:11:18.000 --> 1:11:23.280 UM do often was UM to bring the community together, UM. 1:11:23.360 --> 1:11:25.880 And like I mean really coming together. I mean we're 1:11:25.960 --> 1:11:29.960 meeting every week for the last three years, and even 1:11:30.040 --> 1:11:33.519 during the pandemic, UM we weren't in person. We actually 1:11:33.560 --> 1:11:38.519 were on zoom for a really long time. UM. And 1:11:38.800 --> 1:11:42.280 that's one of the biggest things, was UM the consistency 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:46.720 that we all pushed through even during the pandemic. UM 1:11:46.760 --> 1:11:50.720 from the beginning was meeting every single week, and some 1:11:50.840 --> 1:11:55.120 other UM organizers also meet more than once a week. 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:59.280 You know, we're meeting multiple times a week too, kind 1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:03.400 of talk over like the fine detail of of you know, 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:07.599 the next steps UM. But definitely consistency has been one 1:12:07.680 --> 1:12:10.000 of the biggest things in the last three years that 1:12:10.080 --> 1:12:16.200 has gotten us where we are today. Yeah, that that 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:20.200 makes a lot of sense. It's I know, I keep 1:12:20.240 --> 1:12:21.840 going back to this because this is the sort of 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:24.639 I mean, I guess I did some tenant organizing, but UM, 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:26.760 this is the thing that I know now. Was like, yeah, 1:12:26.800 --> 1:12:28.720 it reminds me a lot of just like the way 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:31.800 the way the union campaigns that work run of just 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:34.599 you have to keep you have you have to keep 1:12:34.640 --> 1:12:38.840 getting people together to do the thing. Yeah, most definitely. Yeah. 1:12:40.000 --> 1:12:41.920 I don't know have you all seen like like how 1:12:42.040 --> 1:12:46.519 how did that change, like your relationship with just like 1:12:46.880 --> 1:12:49.680 the other people in the building. I'll give you an 1:12:49.720 --> 1:12:53.280 example from like my mom. I think for her it's 1:12:53.320 --> 1:12:57.000 been changed a little more drastically than it has for 1:12:57.040 --> 1:13:01.480 me because a lot of the tenants here a little older. UM. 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:07.280 So before the association was started, she she's kind of 1:13:07.360 --> 1:13:11.799 like a person that keeps to herself a lot, you know. Um, 1:13:11.920 --> 1:13:16.479 but since that, um, since the association, she's actually made 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:21.000 like so many friends here now, like and she's actually 1:13:21.040 --> 1:13:24.480 made like a best friend here, um, one of our neighbors. 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:29.080 And they like, yes, and they've become like really good friends. Um. 1:13:29.320 --> 1:13:33.720 They even go, you know, have breakfast together, um like 1:13:33.800 --> 1:13:38.080 almost multiple times a week. Um. The other day I 1:13:38.080 --> 1:13:42.800 saw them, Like I saw my mom's best friend Adelita 1:13:43.640 --> 1:13:46.760 or Adela, um giving her some sugar, and I was 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:49.760 like I should have gotten a picture of that, Like 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:53.840 that's you know, that's so cute, like posted it on 1:13:54.000 --> 1:13:58.000 like Instagram so that you know, like everyone knows like 1:13:58.600 --> 1:14:01.639 what it looks like when community comes together. It's it's 1:14:01.680 --> 1:14:05.120 the small things like that. UM. But I think it 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:11.559 has UM made some you know who made us gain 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:15.200 like trust with UM the neighbors that have been consistent 1:14:15.560 --> 1:14:21.360 UM and see the same UM kind of vision that 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:29.360 we have to keep this building affordable. UM. And yeah, 1:14:29.520 --> 1:14:33.400 not everyone, not all the tenants here have been supportive 1:14:33.640 --> 1:14:39.519 of our fight. Some you know, participated for a few 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:44.040 months and then immediately gave up. UM. But one of 1:14:44.080 --> 1:14:49.640 the things that UM that my family has done is 1:14:49.800 --> 1:14:55.679 to keep fighting UM, even for the ones that don't 1:14:55.800 --> 1:14:58.439 want to show up or don't want to do the work, 1:14:59.400 --> 1:15:04.360 which is how to work. UM. That we're not just 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:09.519 doing it for ourselves, but we're doing it for for everyone, 1:15:09.720 --> 1:15:13.479 whether they're supportive or not. You know, this is going 1:15:13.560 --> 1:15:16.080 to benefit them and it's going to benefit the whole 1:15:16.080 --> 1:15:21.240 community and hopefully the city, the whole city in the future. 1:15:23.240 --> 1:15:25.599 I don't know, It's something I've definitely seen with organizing, 1:15:25.640 --> 1:15:30.080 is that like, yeah, just living in this world can 1:15:30.120 --> 1:15:33.160 be really isolating and I don't know, like I've lived 1:15:33.160 --> 1:15:34.559 in a lot of places where it's just like, yeah, 1:15:34.640 --> 1:15:37.439 like I have no idea who any like literally who 1:15:37.479 --> 1:15:41.120 anyone who lives around me is like like there's still 1:15:41.120 --> 1:15:43.160 they'll they'll be like the one person you see at 1:15:43.160 --> 1:15:45.080 three in the morning coming back to their apartment and 1:15:45.160 --> 1:15:47.960 it's like, oh, I vaguely remember this person, but like, yeah, 1:15:48.080 --> 1:15:52.280 like I think, I don't know, just this this being 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:57.320 something that just on a broad level, not just about 1:15:57.960 --> 1:16:00.760 like I mean, you know, is it like this is 1:16:00.760 --> 1:16:03.200 something that's a solution to both like an immediate fight 1:16:03.720 --> 1:16:08.960 and then also this sort of like broader just I 1:16:09.000 --> 1:16:14.240 don't know, like Nightmaror's isolation that everyone's everyone like is 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:16.599 a huge part of a lot of our lives. Now, 1:16:18.640 --> 1:16:23.559 I don't know. That's just struck me. I guess yeah, yeah, 1:16:23.560 --> 1:16:25.960 I feel like this just makes me think of UM. 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:30.280 To celebrate the recent win, we had this party at 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:33.960 Hillside UM just last week, and you know, it was 1:16:34.000 --> 1:16:37.519 like Pollock style. Everyone brought their own food. UM. Someone 1:16:37.680 --> 1:16:40.040 had a connection with like a Mariachi van, so we 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:44.640 had mariachi playing. UM. One of the tenants owns a 1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:47.320 food truck and just wanted to cook for the community. 1:16:47.520 --> 1:16:51.200 So she's whipping up these like amazing tacos and bag 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:56.240 enough hot dogs. And then someone had brought this pinata 1:16:56.360 --> 1:16:59.840 of the landlord and people were just like talking just 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:03.360 showing it. Like one of the tenants he was just 1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:06.639 like fist fighting it and cracking it open. The kids 1:17:06.680 --> 1:17:09.360 were just like grabbing as much candy as they could 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:14.880 from this broken tom Bots Panada, and and like, I 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:17.800 feel like that was just like exemplifies the sense of 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:21.160 community that there is now Hillside. And I think, as 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:24.559 Anna was talking about, those personal connections have been so 1:17:24.680 --> 1:17:27.960 key to keeping this fight going for three years because 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:31.680 it's hard. It's so hard to keep showing up, and 1:17:31.720 --> 1:17:38.200 it's those personal connections that keep you coming. Yeah, most definitely, 1:17:38.240 --> 1:17:43.040 it's almost like a support system that um, like my 1:17:43.120 --> 1:17:46.800 mom and like some of the neighbors have created, like 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:54.040 Alta or one of our second generation tenants, Leslie, you know, 1:17:54.400 --> 1:17:59.759 she's they can confide with one another, they can vent 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:05.760 with one another, and um yeah yeah, so um, they've 1:18:05.800 --> 1:18:10.160 definitely like created strong bonds, and I think that's one 1:18:10.160 --> 1:18:12.360 of the reasons why they keep showing up. You know, 1:18:12.520 --> 1:18:19.559 it's it's women supporting women, and um, you know, they're 1:18:19.560 --> 1:18:24.200 the protectors of the family, they're the nurturers and that's 1:18:24.200 --> 1:18:27.840 what my mom taught me. So that's why definitely, one 1:18:27.840 --> 1:18:32.559 of the reasons why I continue to fight, um for 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:35.840 Hillside to keep the housing not only for my mom 1:18:35.920 --> 1:18:39.439 because I'm like her protector and she's mine, but we're 1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:44.960 also like here to protect the community from from harassment 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:57.719 or from literal bowling. Yeah. So I guess looking forward, Um, 1:18:57.800 --> 1:18:59.680 I think at the beginning interview, you said, yeah, it 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:01.960 looks like there's going to be another fight over sort 1:19:01.960 --> 1:19:08.120 of forcing forcing the city to actually use eminent domain. Um. Yeah, 1:19:08.160 --> 1:19:10.800 do you have Well, okay, I don't know if you 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:17.040 can talk about your plans for that. Yeah. I guess 1:19:18.600 --> 1:19:21.080 two things. One if if if people want to support 1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:24.800 what y'all are doing and you know, put pressure on 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:27.080 the city, what are the best ways for them to 1:19:27.120 --> 1:19:32.040 do that? Mm hmmm, Um. Yeah, I think just following 1:19:32.240 --> 1:19:35.720 our our socials and staying updated about the fight and 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:38.599 any action items that we put out is a great 1:19:38.600 --> 1:19:44.080 way to support and just amplifying the struggle. Um. Yeah. 1:19:44.080 --> 1:19:51.520 In terms of our specific strategy for holding the city accountable, Um, 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:55.360 we actually haven't haven't gotten super into the weeds of 1:19:55.400 --> 1:19:58.360 it yet because we are just taking a break for 1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:01.519 a while to yeah, you know, you know, yeah, to 1:20:01.800 --> 1:20:05.720 celebrate sound this one and um yeah, kind of have 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:11.360 folks get perspective. I think our our view is that 1:20:11.439 --> 1:20:14.880 because the city has now approved the funds to make 1:20:14.920 --> 1:20:20.240 this happen, that um yeah, that there shouldn't be any 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:24.800 barriers to them seeing it completely through. Um yeah, I 1:20:24.800 --> 1:20:28.760 think we can. We can maybe um apprehends some like 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:34.680 ideological barriers because actually using eminent domainion to expropriate a 1:20:34.760 --> 1:20:40.639 landlord is not something that's been done before. Um. But yeah, 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:43.600 we'll see what happens. Yeah. I mean, look, if if 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:46.400 if they can displace tennants with eminent domain, they can, 1:20:46.400 --> 1:20:47.880 they can they can use it to keep tenants in 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:51.840 their homes, like exactly. I guess the other question I 1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:55.960 have with that is what is okay? So like say, 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:59.880 like I don't know, a miracle occurs and like you're 1:21:00.000 --> 1:21:03.760 and Lord is visited by like three ghosts at night 1:21:03.840 --> 1:21:06.799 who like show him increasingly horrible features, and he decides 1:21:06.840 --> 1:21:09.400 to sell it to the city. What is that? Like? 1:21:10.600 --> 1:21:16.200 What is the city owning the building? Look like? Mm hmmm, Yeah. 1:21:16.320 --> 1:21:18.280 I can start with that and then and I can 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:21.679 chime in. But I think the vision of the tenants 1:21:21.680 --> 1:21:28.040 has always been collective stewardship and tenant ownership of the building. UM. 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:30.880 So the fight definitely does not stop at the city 1:21:31.320 --> 1:21:34.840 um taking the building, but there will also be a 1:21:34.920 --> 1:21:39.479 push for actual tenant stewardship of the building too. Yeah. 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:43.519 And I think the exact structures of that UM aren't 1:21:43.640 --> 1:21:45.439 aren't so clear yet. There's still a lot of like 1:21:45.520 --> 1:21:49.920 discussions and work to be done around that. UM. But yeah, 1:21:49.920 --> 1:21:52.720 and the conversations that we've had with folks from the 1:21:52.760 --> 1:21:55.599 Housing Authority, which is going to be the agency that's 1:21:55.640 --> 1:22:00.160 actually purchasing the building. UM, they have expressed open us 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:06.719 too to us actually um. Yeah, having another nonprofit takeover 1:22:06.800 --> 1:22:09.479 and eventually building towards like a co op kind of structure, 1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:11.240 that would be really cool. Yeah, I know, I know, 1:22:11.320 --> 1:22:13.640 I've heard a lot of talk among well I know, 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:17.639 I think some people have don'e in Detroit about things 1:22:17.680 --> 1:22:22.080 the community land trusts as as a way to um yeah, 1:22:22.080 --> 1:22:25.559 I have tenants actually like control their buildings. Yeah. Yeah, 1:22:25.560 --> 1:22:30.040 that's definitely been part of the discussion. Yeah, that's that's awesome, 1:22:30.080 --> 1:22:33.559 because yeah, this is a much better solution than the 1:22:33.640 --> 1:22:39.479 state is now your landlord exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so that's 1:22:39.520 --> 1:22:42.760 the Yeah, that's that's the what we hope for in 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:45.960 the future. Um, like Jane said, we still have a 1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:51.920 lot to work through, and this isn't done obviously. We wouldn't, 1:22:52.400 --> 1:22:55.439 like you said, want the state to be landlords here, 1:22:55.760 --> 1:23:02.639 they wouldn't be the best landlords. But yeah, um yeah, 1:23:02.840 --> 1:23:09.360 we we are, like Janna said, taking a pause and 1:23:09.400 --> 1:23:15.639 we will reconvene UM two plan out future steps to take. 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:21.360 But this was a really really great win. Um. It 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:25.839 was such a relief off of so many people, um 1:23:26.320 --> 1:23:32.599 back and something we've been fighting for over three three 1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:37.000 and a half years now. UM, so it's good to 1:23:37.240 --> 1:23:42.920 finally get somewhat of positive news. And it's been such 1:23:42.960 --> 1:23:47.920 an emotional journey for the last three years. Um. I 1:23:47.960 --> 1:23:51.280 mean that doesn't even justify how how much of an 1:23:51.280 --> 1:23:53.760 emotional roller coaster it has been for a lot of 1:23:53.800 --> 1:23:58.640 these tenants or for a lot of our families here. Um. 1:23:58.720 --> 1:24:02.760 When we got the news, um, everyone broke out in 1:24:02.840 --> 1:24:10.920 tears and joy and and and everyone was so surprised. 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:14.799 I mean I couldn't help myself but to like cry 1:24:14.840 --> 1:24:19.200 and smile and ugly cry some more for like the 1:24:19.240 --> 1:24:27.120 whole day. Just yeah, um yeah, we're hoping for um, 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:33.120 for the process to be um, somewhat smoother. Um now 1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:38.479 that that we've done a a large portion of the fight. Um, 1:24:38.520 --> 1:24:41.639 but yeah, we still we were still at the tail 1:24:41.800 --> 1:24:45.759 end things. Yeah. So where where where can people find 1:24:46.439 --> 1:24:50.479 find deals, organizations and groups and stuff to go follow 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:55.320 them or help them in places? Um, for CCD, which 1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:58.800 does post a lot of Hillside um content, I think 1:24:58.840 --> 1:25:01.040 all of our socials are just at c C D, 1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:07.479 l A. And then for Hillside, I think, um, there's 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:12.200 different handles for all the different different platforms unfortunately, but 1:25:12.800 --> 1:25:15.879 if folks just look up hill SIDEVA or Hillside Tenants, 1:25:15.920 --> 1:25:18.200 they should be able to find it. And if if 1:25:18.240 --> 1:25:21.400 you just send me the social media handles, you can 1:25:21.400 --> 1:25:26.519 put them in the description. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, 1:25:26.760 --> 1:25:28.880 thank thank you both so much for so much for 1:25:28.960 --> 1:25:31.760 talking to us. This was this was awesome. I'm so 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:36.719 happy for you. Great, thank you. Yeah, thanks for thanks 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:40.240 for listening. Yeah, this has been huge. Yeah, and I 1:25:40.240 --> 1:25:42.600 guess for everyone out there, you two can take to 1:25:42.680 --> 1:25:47.479 start taking back your cities. And yeah, with with with 1:25:47.479 --> 1:25:49.439 with with any luck and with a lot of struggle. 1:25:49.720 --> 1:25:51.120 This is this is gonna this is gonna be the 1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:56.320 first of Betty and Yeah, fuck landlords, we can beat them. 1:25:56.320 --> 1:26:04.280 Hell yeah, flcome, we got this communities first, Landlord ng 1:26:04.400 --> 1:26:24.560 is not a job. We're here to take it back. Yeah. 1:26:25.960 --> 1:26:32.559 Oh boy, it could happen here the podcast about it 1:26:34.120 --> 1:26:40.000 and and happening and could Chris take us away? I'm 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:45.479 taking it away, Oh boy, I think I promised to Um. 1:26:45.520 --> 1:26:47.800 So uh, this is this has been a fun week 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:50.400 so far. We're all kind of sitting through that in 1:26:50.479 --> 1:26:53.680 that awkward period where we know the Supreme Court is 1:26:53.720 --> 1:26:58.320 about to do some ship with Roe v. Wade and 1:26:58.360 --> 1:27:01.400 that that's gonna light a whole bunch of stuff on fire. Um. 1:27:01.520 --> 1:27:03.439 And so we're all waiting for that, and we're all 1:27:03.479 --> 1:27:07.599 waiting for the big Pride Month demonstrations in the wake 1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:12.120 of a shipload of um threats from the right. Uh. 1:27:12.160 --> 1:27:15.400 And kind of in that awkward interstital period, we got 1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:19.480 this this little burst this weekend of of of happiness, 1:27:19.520 --> 1:27:24.400 of just of pure joy. Um. So obviously we had 1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:28.600 covered a little earlier the Gundaleine rally and Quarterline, Idaho, 1:27:28.960 --> 1:27:31.320 which was a right wing kind of counter rally to 1:27:31.439 --> 1:27:37.559 quarter Aline's regular local pride Um rally. Uh. And you 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:41.160 know it was a an event that the the the 1:27:40.680 --> 1:27:43.600 the p R four ahead of time was deeply unsettling, 1:27:43.720 --> 1:27:46.120 or a lot of like threats and talk about you know, 1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:47.960 let the fight start here and all that stuff. A 1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:50.679 lot of people were worried about a massacre, including us, 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:53.240 because when you have a bunch of right wingers saying 1:27:53.240 --> 1:27:56.280 that anyone queer is grooming kids and it's time to 1:27:56.320 --> 1:27:59.800 shoot them, it's reasonable to be worried about a massacre. Um. Now, 1:27:59.800 --> 1:28:01.640 what we did see on the day, and this is 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:06.080 something you'll note a lot of times when you get 1:28:06.120 --> 1:28:08.440 the events where there's a lot of threats around them, 1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:12.639 that's what kind of provokes enough attention, um and enough 1:28:12.680 --> 1:28:16.320 of a state response that that it's not where people 1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:18.840 try to ship. You know, it's often kind of at 1:28:18.840 --> 1:28:23.160 the edges of events or the events that uh, people 1:28:23.200 --> 1:28:25.639 don't take seriously enough ahead of time that like things 1:28:25.840 --> 1:28:28.479 go to ship. You know. Charlottesville would be a great 1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:32.200 example because prior to Charlottesville, there was a lot of 1:28:32.240 --> 1:28:34.640 like discussion about how big it was going to be 1:28:34.760 --> 1:28:38.280 in the city, you know, did not really take it seriously. 1:28:38.360 --> 1:28:39.880 There were a number of and this is one of 1:28:39.880 --> 1:28:42.200 the things that's frustrating the fucking mayor of Charlotte'sville. Is 1:28:42.960 --> 1:28:45.720 after what happened in Quarterline and stuff has been like 1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:48.639 on the news talking to people about how to how 1:28:48.640 --> 1:28:51.720 to avoid demonstrations going badly and ship which like that. 1:28:52.240 --> 1:28:54.920 You know, he received a lot of warnings from anti 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:58.519 fascists about how many people with you know, pending violent 1:28:58.600 --> 1:29:00.640 charges were going to be at Unite the Right in 1:29:00.720 --> 1:29:02.720 Charlottesville and how many threats were going on. It was 1:29:02.760 --> 1:29:05.360 kind of ignored and as a result it got really 1:29:05.400 --> 1:29:10.840 fucking ugly because you know, you had smaller numbers is 1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:12.960 on the on the first night, you know, when people 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:16.080 got surrounded by that torchlit mob, you had smaller numbers 1:29:16.080 --> 1:29:21.360 of anti fascists, um outnumbered by fascists and no real 1:29:21.479 --> 1:29:23.680 counter to them until you know the next day, and 1:29:23.680 --> 1:29:26.360 obviously that's the day that that that James Alex Fields 1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:29.519 drove a car into a crowd um and that kind 1:29:29.520 --> 1:29:32.240 of starts our story today because the thing that was 1:29:32.280 --> 1:29:35.800 the bright ray of sunlight in in the midst of 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:38.120 what has been a pretty rough couple of weeks news wise, 1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:41.639 was thirty one members of the hate group Patriot Front 1:29:41.680 --> 1:29:44.640 getting arrested in Quarterlaine, Idaho, jammed into the back of 1:29:44.680 --> 1:29:48.200 a U haul UM and the story of Patriot Front 1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:51.160 and the story of how that that beautiful moment happened. 1:29:51.479 --> 1:29:56.599 UM starts in Charlottesville in two seventeen. Actually it starts 1:29:56.640 --> 1:30:00.280 significantly before that in Texas. But uh, the group that 1:30:00.400 --> 1:30:05.240 becomes Patriot Front starts as a group called Vanguard America UM. 1:30:05.240 --> 1:30:07.880 And Vanguard America is one of the groups that is 1:30:08.080 --> 1:30:11.160 responsible for kind of carrying out the the Unite the 1:30:11.240 --> 1:30:13.800 Right rally. And this is this is a different group 1:30:13.800 --> 1:30:19.360 than American Vanguard. Right. Uh wait, let my double check here, 1:30:19.760 --> 1:30:23.439 because sorry, they all use such similar names. UM. If 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:27.920 I'm not mistaken, there is an American Vanguard. UM. There's 1:30:27.920 --> 1:30:32.120 also the American Vanguard Corporation. Uh no, no, no, I 1:30:32.120 --> 1:30:35.960 think it's UM. American Guard. American Guard is the group 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:41.160 that UM is a kind of more coming out of 1:30:41.200 --> 1:30:43.320 the KKK S sphere orbit because some of them are 1:30:43.360 --> 1:30:46.760 former clansmen. That's another story for another day. UM. So 1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:50.120 you've got Vanguard America. They're one of the group's kind 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:53.160 of behind bringing a lot of people, a lot of fascists, 1:30:53.479 --> 1:30:56.559 shouldn't call them people to UM Charlottesville. In two thousand 1:30:56.560 --> 1:30:59.840 and seventeen, James Alex Field is marching with them and 1:31:00.040 --> 1:31:02.439 carrying one of their shields. Earlier in the day before 1:31:02.439 --> 1:31:05.240 he carries out his car attack, and as a result 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:09.000 of the bad press that him murdering a woman in 1:31:09.160 --> 1:31:11.120 and maiming a bunch of people with his car in 1:31:11.120 --> 1:31:15.839 a terrorist attack brings down um, the leader of Vanguard America, 1:31:16.120 --> 1:31:21.240 Thomas Rousseau uh splits off like kind of ins Vanguard 1:31:21.280 --> 1:31:25.080 America and spins it off into Patriot Front, which is 1:31:25.760 --> 1:31:31.120 less explicitly just as fascist, but less branded as fascist, 1:31:31.200 --> 1:31:33.960 more kind of branded in Americana. They all of their 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:38.600 pr and all of their like images look like rejected 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:44.240 stills from a BioShock game. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty amazing. 1:31:44.439 --> 1:31:46.080 I'm pretty sure. Yeah, these are the guys are like that. 1:31:46.120 --> 1:31:49.679 There there's a video of them like talking like like 1:31:49.680 --> 1:31:51.760 like they're literally they go like on camera it's like, 1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:54.240 oh yeah, we're doing America stuff. We don't we're not 1:31:54.320 --> 1:31:56.040 hitler people. And then like the build the boat with 1:31:56.080 --> 1:31:57.760 the camera turns off there like oh good, the cameras off. 1:31:57.760 --> 1:32:01.200 We can say say kale now, yeah, it's it's great. 1:32:01.400 --> 1:32:04.479 I mean, Van Guard America's logo was literally like an 1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:11.320 eagle carrying a bundle of fascis. Yeah, they're not not subtle. Um. 1:32:11.360 --> 1:32:13.479 And I should say Van Guard America I think was 1:32:13.520 --> 1:32:17.200 actually founded by another guy in in California, but um, 1:32:17.880 --> 1:32:22.200 Thomas Rousseau was pretty quickly prominence in there, and he 1:32:22.280 --> 1:32:25.479 splinters off into into Patriot Front. I need to be 1:32:25.560 --> 1:32:28.120 specific because there's people listening who will yell at me 1:32:28.200 --> 1:32:32.639 for getting that wrong. Um. So for the purpose of 1:32:32.640 --> 1:32:34.759 of what we're talking about today, we should chat about 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:37.640 Thomas Rousseau UM before we get into some of the 1:32:37.680 --> 1:32:40.640 funnier stuff, because he's got a really interesting background for 1:32:40.680 --> 1:32:43.320 a fascist. So in the last couple of years since 1:32:43.720 --> 1:32:46.160 Patriot Front became a thing, Rousseau has held a number 1:32:46.160 --> 1:32:48.559 of kind of like flash demonstrations where they'll get a 1:32:48.600 --> 1:32:52.519 few dozen Patriot Front guys together and they'll march around 1:32:52.680 --> 1:32:57.040 in their fucking gators and their their little fascist uniforms 1:32:57.040 --> 1:32:59.920 that are like, um, I don't know, they look like 1:33:00.000 --> 1:33:04.240 country club Nazis is like the way they prefer to dress. Um. 1:33:04.320 --> 1:33:07.000 And they'll carry their shields and they'll you know, film 1:33:07.040 --> 1:33:10.599 propaganda videos. Most of what they do is hand out 1:33:11.400 --> 1:33:14.320 like put out stickers, put out other kinds of propaganda 1:33:14.560 --> 1:33:17.760 to the extent that like they are probably the primary 1:33:17.920 --> 1:33:23.120 national purveyors of of Nazi propaganda um in like the 1:33:23.200 --> 1:33:26.519 real world, like in terms of stuff that actually gets 1:33:26.600 --> 1:33:30.760 put out where people can see it. Um. There I've 1:33:30.760 --> 1:33:33.320 found like stickers from them and just like random places 1:33:33.320 --> 1:33:36.840 in Chicago. Yeah, yeah, I've seen a couple of them. 1:33:36.880 --> 1:33:40.040 Like two nineteen, Patriot Front was and this is the 1:33:40.080 --> 1:33:42.800 A d l s estimates, so they're not the most 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:44.640 accurate they could be, but also no one else is 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:46.960 really keeping track of this, so I'll say they're probably 1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:50.960 broadly correct. UM. The in two thousand nineteen, the A 1:33:51.040 --> 1:33:53.559 d L listed Patriot Front is responsible for eight percent 1:33:53.640 --> 1:33:58.400 of all propaganda incidents nationally of like Nazi type groups UM. 1:33:58.560 --> 1:34:01.680 And then in a number doubled um and they were 1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:05.320 responsible for like ninety plus. I think sometimes you'll hear 1:34:05.360 --> 1:34:10.320 ninety two percent of like the Nazi propaganda distributed nationwide. UM. 1:34:10.360 --> 1:34:15.120 Their propaganda efforts are most active in Texas, Washington, California, Massachusetts, 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:19.400 New York, and Virginia. UM. And it's one of those things, 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:23.640 this is not the goal with the propaganda is for 1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:26.439 them to be seen as very large and influential. The 1:34:26.479 --> 1:34:29.440 way that they managed to do it is that Patriot 1:34:29.479 --> 1:34:33.560 Front is effectively like a key para social relationship for 1:34:33.640 --> 1:34:35.960 most of the people in it. Right. It's a series 1:34:36.000 --> 1:34:39.439 of like chats and and and discords and whatnot, and 1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:42.240 these people like come to feel like it's their community. 1:34:42.320 --> 1:34:43.680 And one of the things were so did that was 1:34:43.800 --> 1:34:45.880 very smart is if you want to stay a member 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:48.840 of Patriot Front, you will get banned and purged from 1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:52.479 the organization if you are not regularly posting proof that 1:34:52.560 --> 1:34:54.760 you're active in the real world. And the easiest way 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:56.960 to do that is by putting up stickers. Right. So 1:34:57.040 --> 1:34:59.760 that's not only how they fund some of their operations 1:35:00.200 --> 1:35:03.240 because you know their guys are buying stickers, but um, 1:35:03.280 --> 1:35:06.400 that's how you keep people engaged. If you want to 1:35:06.400 --> 1:35:08.680 like stay in the clubhouse with your friends, you have 1:35:08.720 --> 1:35:11.000 to go put up stickers every couple of weeks or 1:35:11.000 --> 1:35:13.400 every so often. And you know, when you have a 1:35:13.400 --> 1:35:16.599 couple of hundred people doing that. Stickers are not that expensive. 1:35:16.680 --> 1:35:18.360 You can get a lot of propaganda out that way. 1:35:18.400 --> 1:35:21.000 And so Rousseau has been very successful in in that 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:23.960 end of things. So let's chat about him a little bit. 1:35:24.040 --> 1:35:28.080 He is was born in nine so he's twenty four 1:35:28.240 --> 1:35:31.599 ish right now. Um, he grew up where I did. 1:35:31.760 --> 1:35:35.000 He comes from the suburbs of Dallas, the metroplex, specifically Copel. 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:38.040 And if you're not if you don't know much about 1:35:38.040 --> 1:35:43.000 the d f W suburbs, So Dallas sizeable city about 1:35:43.000 --> 1:35:45.679 four million people last I checked. Um, and then you've 1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:48.679 got these these suburbs that are millions more and it's 1:35:48.680 --> 1:35:52.080 it's effectively DFW is kind of this megalopolis, Like it's 1:35:52.120 --> 1:35:56.240 this massive, sprawling city, larger than several states, and it's 1:35:56.280 --> 1:35:59.799 geographical area. At some point in the future, assuming growth 1:35:59.800 --> 1:36:02.120 can tenues, you're going to see like all of the 1:36:02.160 --> 1:36:05.200 big cities in Texas merge and when their metro plexus 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:09.440 start to mingle. Um. But these these these Texas suburbs 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:12.439 are all laid out very orderly in grids. They were 1:36:12.479 --> 1:36:17.000 all they're all like planned communities. Um. And in the 1:36:17.160 --> 1:36:21.639 area around like this particular chunk around Dallas, they're all 1:36:21.680 --> 1:36:25.599 pretty wealthy. And of these wealthy suburbs, Coppel is like 1:36:26.360 --> 1:36:30.920 where the money money is. Like like coming up in Planoh, 1:36:30.920 --> 1:36:33.639 which is was a fairly well off suburb, we would 1:36:33.760 --> 1:36:36.160 like the Coppell kids were like the rich kids, right 1:36:36.240 --> 1:36:38.280 Like when we would compete against them in football and 1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:40.240 speech debate like that, you'd feel like, yeah, we're like 1:36:40.240 --> 1:36:42.240 funking with the rich kids. Let's get them. So this 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:43.559 is this is this is this is like this is 1:36:43.600 --> 1:36:47.760 like this is like uh dellas fort worst like Evanston. 1:36:49.200 --> 1:36:52.599 I assume so yes, um. And when we would like 1:36:53.320 --> 1:36:55.439 obviously like yeah they were the rich kids, they were 1:36:55.479 --> 1:36:58.280 also like the kids I would often get drugs from 1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:00.439 when I was like nineteen because they had like they 1:37:00.439 --> 1:37:04.360 had they had good drugs, you know. UM. So the 1:37:04.400 --> 1:37:06.599 other thing you should know about and Coppell is where 1:37:07.080 --> 1:37:10.120 you know, um our boy Thomas Rousseau grows up in 1:37:10.120 --> 1:37:13.040 the early two thousands, UM and in fact his senior 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:16.840 year is the year of the election. UM. And another 1:37:16.840 --> 1:37:18.960 thing you should know about Kapel is that, like all 1:37:19.560 --> 1:37:22.720 the Dallas metroplex, it's incredibly diverse. And it's also, I 1:37:22.760 --> 1:37:25.880 should know, incredibly diverse in a specific way. It's not 1:37:26.080 --> 1:37:31.679 hugely economically diverse, UM, but it is has a massive 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:37.640 population of people from Southeast Asia, UM, from India, from Vietnam, 1:37:37.680 --> 1:37:42.920 from China, um and from Japan UM. And the You 1:37:42.960 --> 1:37:44.400 can kind of see that if you look at so 1:37:44.439 --> 1:37:48.120 Thomas Rousseau as a kid works for the Coppel High 1:37:48.160 --> 1:37:50.720 school newspaper, the Sidekick, And if you if you go 1:37:50.800 --> 1:37:53.880 to the Sidekicks website today and if you look at 1:37:53.920 --> 1:37:57.160 its writers and its editorial staff, it is a bunch 1:37:57.200 --> 1:38:01.679 of kids from Southeast Asia. Now, Thomas so is extremely white, um, 1:38:02.040 --> 1:38:06.000 and he has, you know, his big things like replacement theory. 1:38:06.000 --> 1:38:09.120 He's been yelling about this for a very long time, UM, 1:38:09.200 --> 1:38:12.040 and so one kind of assumes this is probably where 1:38:12.240 --> 1:38:16.519 he started feeling that. Um. Although it's interesting if you 1:38:16.520 --> 1:38:18.960 look up, like one of the earliest articles, the SPLC 1:38:19.040 --> 1:38:21.320 has a pretty pretty good profile on him and back 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:27.160 kind of at the start of UM. In February, he wrote, 1:38:27.280 --> 1:38:30.880 write this article about the school's diversity club, which is 1:38:31.000 --> 1:38:34.599 just a pretty normal you would not there's no signs 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:36.760 in there. Not that I saw that, like he's going 1:38:36.800 --> 1:38:38.840 to be a Nazi in about a year. Like, it's 1:38:38.880 --> 1:38:41.680 just it's how like basically anybody who was writing a 1:38:41.680 --> 1:38:44.120 straight piece of reporting on a diversity club would write it. 1:38:44.160 --> 1:38:48.040 You know, It's not like there's no signs in that article. Yeah, 1:38:48.000 --> 1:38:50.920 it's just because like the next article he writes is 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:55.760 like completely off the rails. Yeah, like it's it's Trumps 1:38:55.840 --> 1:38:59.600 at that point, because you know, February, Trump is still 1:39:00.280 --> 1:39:03.200 like I don't know, he's definitely becoming the front runner, 1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:05.240 but it's not clear what's going to happen yet. And 1:39:05.240 --> 1:39:08.759 by the time he writes his next article a couple 1:39:08.920 --> 1:39:15.240 in like October, it's a full on trumpy. Yeah. He's like, 1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:17.280 I mean, he's like but by that point, like he 1:39:17.360 --> 1:39:20.720 started his great replacement stuff. He started, like, I mean, 1:39:20.800 --> 1:39:24.799 he's doing that kind of like the the white working 1:39:24.800 --> 1:39:28.920 class has been like oppressed for too long and people 1:39:28.960 --> 1:39:30.920 keep calling them bracest and so they're voting for Trump 1:39:30.960 --> 1:39:36.080 now because they're simultaneously poor. But also like, but but 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:39.880 I think it's interesting. It's like, you know, it's it's 1:39:39.880 --> 1:39:42.719 an interesting sign of that kind of like what actually 1:39:42.760 --> 1:39:45.080 generates that kind of right wing populism because it's like, 1:39:45.720 --> 1:39:47.879 so you have you have someone who's like going fascist 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:49.960 really quickly writing this, and it's like, oh, where is 1:39:50.000 --> 1:39:53.120 he from? A wait, he's like just from like the 1:39:53.200 --> 1:39:57.599 incredible rich kid place. It's like it's it's it's it's 1:39:57.640 --> 1:40:02.320 it's fun he's doing Yeah, he's he's doing this sort 1:40:02.320 --> 1:40:05.479 of fascist version of the like working class whispering that yeah, 1:40:05.560 --> 1:40:10.120 kind of like rich Pundit's doing. And it's one of 1:40:10.120 --> 1:40:12.639 the things the kind of black box mysteries with Rousseau 1:40:12.840 --> 1:40:15.800 that I haven't seen a great is like when when 1:40:15.880 --> 1:40:18.200 does the actual switch flip in his head? Like when 1:40:18.200 --> 1:40:20.640 he writes that article about the school diversity club. Is 1:40:20.680 --> 1:40:23.720 he already a fascist um or is he one of 1:40:23.760 --> 1:40:27.559 these people who like is kind of conservative and gets 1:40:27.680 --> 1:40:31.519 super radicalized by Trump because he had, you see throughout 1:40:31.600 --> 1:40:35.280 kind of because I get the feeling from him that 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:39.240 he was always kind of like the conservative kid in 1:40:39.320 --> 1:40:41.800 his school paper in school media, and like you get 1:40:41.920 --> 1:40:44.160 you see, like he's writing, like the month after that 1:40:44.160 --> 1:40:47.920 diversity club article, he writes h an article about campus 1:40:48.000 --> 1:40:52.400 carry and is like supporting concealed carry on college campuses 1:40:52.479 --> 1:40:56.080 and is pretty like, uh, but it's also these are 1:40:56.080 --> 1:40:57.800 also like kind of it's also kind of a milk 1:40:57.880 --> 1:41:01.519 toast conservative take, Like it's not he's not like making 1:41:01.560 --> 1:41:04.360 an explicitly fascist argument. He's making the kind of arguments 1:41:04.400 --> 1:41:06.240 that like I would have made in speech and debate 1:41:06.280 --> 1:41:09.320 class as a conservative kid in North Texas when I 1:41:09.400 --> 1:41:12.280 was a senior. You see, like in May he's writing 1:41:12.280 --> 1:41:15.719 an article about like bathroom bills and stuff that's that's 1:41:15.760 --> 1:41:20.160 getting closer to kind of modern American fascist rhetoric. And 1:41:20.200 --> 1:41:22.760 then of course by like October he's he's fully on 1:41:22.800 --> 1:41:27.080 the Trump train. Um. And he actually has a removed 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:30.959 opinion column after the election about like the Silent Majority, 1:41:31.000 --> 1:41:33.400 where he says, quote, the truth is, white voters, especially 1:41:33.400 --> 1:41:35.120 the working class, have had more than enough of being 1:41:35.120 --> 1:41:38.960 called racist, sexist, sinophobic, islamophobic, homophobic, and the rest of 1:41:38.960 --> 1:41:42.120 the usual trite buzzwords. The forgotten majority of the American 1:41:42.160 --> 1:41:44.000 electorate has shown that, much to the dismay of the 1:41:44.000 --> 1:41:46.599 globalist agenda, that they have not yet been replaced by 1:41:46.600 --> 1:41:49.880 tens of millions of blue voting immigrants from abroad. And 1:41:49.920 --> 1:41:52.479 it's again, you can kind of there's a debate as 1:41:52.479 --> 1:41:54.479 to whether you can, I guess argue as to whether 1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:57.120 or not he had always been sort of a fascist 1:41:57.200 --> 1:41:59.639 and just felt like more comfortable as the year went 1:41:59.680 --> 1:42:02.720 on open about it, or if he's getting radicalized. I 1:42:02.760 --> 1:42:05.040 feel like he's kind of getting radical. I can see. 1:42:05.640 --> 1:42:09.200 I can see in him like shades of everyone that 1:42:09.280 --> 1:42:11.200 I knew back then at that point in time in 1:42:11.240 --> 1:42:14.160 my life, including me, like, well in this reminds so 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:16.120 so I was I'm like a year older than he is, right, 1:42:16.160 --> 1:42:19.120 so I I I was out of high school by sixteen, 1:42:19.160 --> 1:42:21.320 but like I you know, i'd like I just graduated 1:42:21.360 --> 1:42:24.960 right like good. And I remember this with like people 1:42:24.960 --> 1:42:26.880 with people that I knew who were like because I 1:42:26.880 --> 1:42:28.920 mean like, okay, like there were always people who were 1:42:29.000 --> 1:42:32.479 like really really like like we had a lot of 1:42:32.479 --> 1:42:35.040 like Fox News pilled like kill all the Muslims kids, 1:42:35.400 --> 1:42:36.960 but there are also people who like weren't like that, 1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:39.360 who were just like conservatives, and over the course of 1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:45.120 sixteen like they went really really like they radicalized really quickly. 1:42:45.760 --> 1:42:48.080 So it wouldn't surprise me if if she's doing the 1:42:48.080 --> 1:42:51.600 same thing, because I think that was a lot of like, 1:42:51.600 --> 1:42:53.960 like I I washed a lot of sort of like 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:57.040 more majority people get like who were kind of like 1:42:57.160 --> 1:43:02.360 on who weren't on the like absolute like right wing, 1:43:02.400 --> 1:43:06.920 like I don't know, like who weren't unli the absolutely 1:43:06.920 --> 1:43:11.520 hard right of that thing. We're kind of like conservative, 1:43:11.600 --> 1:43:16.479 but you know, like weren't actively invested in murdering every 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:19.840 gapers And yeah, like those people just like a switch 1:43:19.920 --> 1:43:25.479 flipped and they like they just kind of went syco mode. Yeah, 1:43:25.520 --> 1:43:28.000 and that's that's where he goes. He goes like full 1:43:28.080 --> 1:43:30.880 on and I don't know you can. It's interesting because 1:43:30.880 --> 1:43:34.280 like his his primary job for the sidekick, the Cupell 1:43:34.360 --> 1:43:38.920 High school student newspaper is as like their their political cartoonist, 1:43:38.960 --> 1:43:42.360 and he's he's mostly doing like really basic like clip 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:44.519 art ship, which is what you see him doing for 1:43:44.640 --> 1:43:46.880 like Patriot Front. It's kind of the thing that distinguishes 1:43:46.920 --> 1:43:49.920 them is his like art style, UM and the propaganda 1:43:49.960 --> 1:43:52.600 he makes. So you know he's there at United the 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:55.599 right in seen one of the guys he's there with 1:43:56.000 --> 1:43:59.360 commits a terrorist attack. They spin off Patriot Front and 1:43:59.400 --> 1:44:02.400 for the next few years, most of what they'll do 1:44:02.560 --> 1:44:07.000 is these events where they'll like show up and they'll march. Um. 1:44:07.040 --> 1:44:10.320 It's worth noting that while they bring different kinds of 1:44:10.320 --> 1:44:13.120 weapons to these events, mainly like you know, bludgeoning weapons, 1:44:13.120 --> 1:44:14.960 the kind of things you'd have for like a street fight, 1:44:15.760 --> 1:44:21.760 um and shields, these are not primarily violent events, and 1:44:21.800 --> 1:44:23.920 that like their goal is not to get into a fight. 1:44:24.000 --> 1:44:26.519 I think mainly not because they're not violent people, because 1:44:26.520 --> 1:44:30.400 they're scared of getting into a fight, um, and Rousseau's 1:44:30.479 --> 1:44:33.040 probably scared of getting in trouble for having a bunch 1:44:33.080 --> 1:44:35.599 of people show up to riot. So most of what 1:44:35.640 --> 1:44:38.040 they do is they'll do these flash mobs while there. 1:44:38.040 --> 1:44:40.280 They'll get like a bunch of people together in the 1:44:40.280 --> 1:44:42.760 middle of the night or like on a day when 1:44:42.760 --> 1:44:45.719 nobody expects it, and they'll march around d C or something. 1:44:46.000 --> 1:44:48.439 And then they'll get footage of themselves doing this march 1:44:48.520 --> 1:44:52.200 where you know, they can kind of uh take care 1:44:52.240 --> 1:44:54.400 to make sure the angles make them look as impressive 1:44:54.400 --> 1:44:56.160 as possible, and then they'll put that up to try 1:44:56.160 --> 1:44:58.479 and get more members, um, so that they can put 1:44:58.560 --> 1:45:01.479 up more propaganda. Right, they've had a couple of well 1:45:01.479 --> 1:45:06.320 publicized failures. They showed up in Philadelphia. I think this 1:45:06.400 --> 1:45:10.599 was last year, right, and they again there's like thirty 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:12.920 to fifty of them. They all like pilot of a 1:45:13.000 --> 1:45:15.599 U haul. They're marching is like in their fascist uniforms, 1:45:15.640 --> 1:45:19.040 and like three dudes confront them and that fit like 1:45:19.160 --> 1:45:23.920 three Philly guys just wreck their ship. Been so funny, 1:45:24.360 --> 1:45:26.920 I understand. I think it was from that. We're just 1:45:26.960 --> 1:45:29.559 like there's like there's a video, it's it's just them 1:45:29.680 --> 1:45:32.599 running away and there's like there's like objects flying through 1:45:32.640 --> 1:45:37.599 the air, you know, like their little army confronts, like 1:45:37.720 --> 1:45:41.200 three random Philly We are just like, oh, this isn't 1:45:41.240 --> 1:45:43.200 any good. I don't know who these guys are, but 1:45:43.240 --> 1:45:48.000 there's no way this is good. Puck them up. Um, 1:45:48.040 --> 1:45:51.679 it's a it's a perfect Philly moment. Um. So yeah, 1:45:51.720 --> 1:45:53.960 and like that is their m o UM. And in 1:45:54.000 --> 1:45:57.559 part because one thing you have to and I people 1:45:58.120 --> 1:46:01.040 can misinterpret what I'm saying here. They're probably the most 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:05.639 disciplined of the fascist groups that do regular in person 1:46:05.680 --> 1:46:08.479 events UM because there's a lot of discipline required in 1:46:08.560 --> 1:46:12.639 getting several dozen people together, getting them all to the 1:46:12.640 --> 1:46:15.719 the area in the exact same mode of transport together. 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:18.200 That's why they all pile into u Hall's right. Roussou 1:46:18.280 --> 1:46:21.360 doesn't want to coordinate a big caravan UM. That would 1:46:21.400 --> 1:46:24.240 be messy. People would be arriving at different times, people 1:46:24.200 --> 1:46:26.920 would get lost or get stuck in traffic. He wants 1:46:26.960 --> 1:46:29.439 everyone together because he's again he's a fascist. So they're 1:46:29.479 --> 1:46:33.200 they're really um and they are are pretty consistent and 1:46:33.240 --> 1:46:37.640 pretty good at getting everyone together and marching at the 1:46:37.680 --> 1:46:40.840 same time. So like on a logistic end, there's some 1:46:40.880 --> 1:46:44.120 things they do that are are competent, you know, um 1:46:44.160 --> 1:46:47.880 generally speaking. Now, the downside of this plan I've just 1:46:47.920 --> 1:46:50.040 talked about like why getting everyone in a U hall 1:46:50.080 --> 1:46:51.760 can work and how it has worked for them in 1:46:51.760 --> 1:46:54.920 the past. The downside of this is that everyone is 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:58.439 in a U hall together. I mean, I think I 1:46:58.520 --> 1:47:00.880 think for them there there's they're I think there's some 1:47:01.040 --> 1:47:04.559 upside like for them doing this, which is that like 1:47:04.800 --> 1:47:06.240 I think on a sort of like on like a 1:47:06.280 --> 1:47:08.800 discipline level, on level of sort of like building this 1:47:08.960 --> 1:47:11.479 like like build building this sort of like culture of 1:47:11.600 --> 1:47:15.719 like like community and like solidarity, but like the fascist 1:47:15.800 --> 1:47:18.479 version of it is like, yeah, you have everyone suffering 1:47:18.520 --> 1:47:20.000 together in the back of a U haul, which is 1:47:20.040 --> 1:47:24.719 HoTT as shit and like has to smell like like 1:47:24.720 --> 1:47:31.320 like like death, like like yeah, it's like like imagine 1:47:31.360 --> 1:47:33.559 the worst locker room you've ever been in. But then 1:47:33.720 --> 1:47:35.760 it's been it's every everyone has been trapped in there 1:47:35.760 --> 1:47:38.439 for a week. It's like, yeah, it's a it's a 1:47:38.439 --> 1:47:42.120 hot air balloon powered by Nazi farts, like that's that's 1:47:42.160 --> 1:47:44.920 what's going on there. And they're all just like and 1:47:44.960 --> 1:47:47.080 it's it's very funny because like when they had done 1:47:47.080 --> 1:47:49.160 their last event or two and like this is like 1:47:49.200 --> 1:47:51.840 in the dead of winter in the East Coast that 1:47:51.880 --> 1:47:54.120 they do a couple of events and they have people 1:47:54.120 --> 1:47:56.639 like nearly passing out from heat stroke in the back 1:47:56.680 --> 1:47:59.080 of the van. Yeah. Um, in the back of the 1:47:59.120 --> 1:48:02.719 U haul because like it's not great to be scrammed 1:48:02.760 --> 1:48:07.240 in the back of you people. It's like, um, it sucks. 1:48:07.240 --> 1:48:09.080 But also like like that that suffering sort of like 1:48:09.520 --> 1:48:12.160 brings them together and makes them sort of like sure, 1:48:12.479 --> 1:48:15.680 like yeah in a lot of ways, which sucks. But 1:48:15.720 --> 1:48:19.000 also yeah, the second modistical problem with this that I 1:48:19.000 --> 1:48:22.840 think you're about to get to. Yeah, so they try 1:48:22.880 --> 1:48:26.880 to Rousseau actually puts out specific like information about like, hey, 1:48:26.960 --> 1:48:29.040 here's how we need to prep for being crammed into 1:48:29.080 --> 1:48:32.200 a U haul together, and like advises that his dudes 1:48:32.280 --> 1:48:36.640 start um uh spending time in saunas and ship in 1:48:36.760 --> 1:48:44.519 order to like toughen themselves up to avoid getting heat syncope. Um. Anyway, 1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:46.320 there's a couple other things that are happening. One of 1:48:46.360 --> 1:48:48.920 the things that we we know because one of the 1:48:48.920 --> 1:48:51.720 funny things about Patriot Front, so they claim to have 1:48:51.760 --> 1:48:54.800 an intense vetting process. You know, you're supposed to like 1:48:54.880 --> 1:48:58.000 message them with an application and then they they'll vet 1:48:58.040 --> 1:49:00.200 you before they let you into the chat rooms. They 1:49:00.200 --> 1:49:03.439 have been compromised since the day there started being a 1:49:03.479 --> 1:49:06.479 patriot Ye. I don't think there is a moment of 1:49:06.520 --> 1:49:08.639 the time that they have existed that I haven't known 1:49:08.720 --> 1:49:12.599 multiple people who had logs of every conversation. Like they're 1:49:13.000 --> 1:49:16.559 so infiltrated. It is extreme, Like it's like it's like 1:49:16.600 --> 1:49:19.800 the training wheels of anti fascist research, just like get 1:49:19.800 --> 1:49:25.800 into Patriot fronts chat rooms, Like there's always multiple people 1:49:25.880 --> 1:49:29.640 in their documenting their ship. It's extremely funny. Um. And 1:49:29.720 --> 1:49:31.759 so because of that we know a number of their tactics. 1:49:31.840 --> 1:49:34.160 One of the things that Rousseau has admitted to doing 1:49:34.160 --> 1:49:37.240 in the past is that like, well, when we start 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:40.479 like heading towards wherever we're gonna you know, pile out 1:49:40.520 --> 1:49:43.280 of the thing in march, we'll call the cops and 1:49:43.320 --> 1:49:45.719 will inform them that we've seen a group of people 1:49:46.160 --> 1:49:49.120 with shields getting ready to march and that they don't 1:49:49.120 --> 1:49:51.599 seem to have weapons, but they're about to be an 1:49:51.800 --> 1:49:53.880 x area. And they do this so that there will 1:49:53.920 --> 1:49:56.439 be cops on scene who will provide like an escort 1:49:56.479 --> 1:49:59.080 for them, right, so that they won't get beaten up. Um, 1:49:59.120 --> 1:50:01.120 Like they want the cops to be there to protect them, 1:50:01.160 --> 1:50:04.519 you know. Um. So Rousseau is like specifically bragged about 1:50:04.520 --> 1:50:08.559 doing this in the past. There's also, like, as I stated, 1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:12.880 like the or as an organization, their events are not 1:50:13.600 --> 1:50:17.320 geared towards like killing people, right, Like they're not they're 1:50:17.320 --> 1:50:20.320 doing these marches to get videos. They're not like they're 1:50:20.320 --> 1:50:22.439 not even like the Proud Boys, where they're specifically showing 1:50:22.520 --> 1:50:24.639 up to get into a brawl, right And every time 1:50:24.640 --> 1:50:27.320 they do get into brawls they look very uncomfortable and 1:50:27.360 --> 1:50:29.719 frightened in them, um, which is why he liked calls 1:50:29.720 --> 1:50:33.320 for police escorts and ship. Um that said, there there 1:50:33.320 --> 1:50:37.639 are like again, they're a Nazi organization. They specifically preach 1:50:38.120 --> 1:50:42.960 replacement theory and yelled at their ancestors conquered America and 1:50:42.960 --> 1:50:44.760 so they deserve to own it all this ship. So 1:50:44.800 --> 1:50:46.800 a bunch of them have been arrested for like guns stuff. 1:50:46.800 --> 1:50:49.599 There's been a number of like people of Patriot Front 1:50:49.600 --> 1:50:53.240 members arrested for like illegal machine guns and ship like that. 1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:56.240 That absolutely happens. People post about their illegal guns and 1:50:56.280 --> 1:51:00.599 stuff um. But as an organization, their mainly yeared towards 1:51:00.640 --> 1:51:05.680 providing like propaganda uh that Thomas Rousseau likes. So they 1:51:05.760 --> 1:51:11.200 all gathered together and are heading into Quarterline, Idaho to 1:51:11.240 --> 1:51:14.760 confront this, and I suspect their goal. I suspect their 1:51:15.120 --> 1:51:16.840 Russeau's hope for how this was going to go was 1:51:16.880 --> 1:51:18.840 they were going to pile out of their uhul, going 1:51:18.880 --> 1:51:21.280 to get their thirty ish guys all in lines together 1:51:21.320 --> 1:51:24.400 in their uniforms, with their shields and with their their 1:51:24.479 --> 1:51:29.360 fucking fascist sticks or whatever, um, and they're gonna march 1:51:29.400 --> 1:51:31.680 through the middle of the pride gathering and and they 1:51:31.760 --> 1:51:34.599 get video of people like scattering or backing away from 1:51:34.600 --> 1:51:36.679 in front of them, not wanting to confront them, because 1:51:37.080 --> 1:51:38.760 you know, there was a big group of them. I 1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:41.840 think that was the hope. I'm sure Rousseau was like, Hey, 1:51:41.880 --> 1:51:44.120 and maybe some anti FOO will try to fight and 1:51:44.120 --> 1:51:46.040 we'll get some videos of us like fighting them with 1:51:46.120 --> 1:51:49.240 shields and that'll be good for recruitment. Um. But I 1:51:49.320 --> 1:51:51.640 think the main goal was to get a video of 1:51:51.680 --> 1:51:55.280 them scaring gay kids um and and looking like a 1:51:55.280 --> 1:51:58.480 big scary nazi FEI links that they could use as propaganda. 1:51:59.040 --> 1:52:01.960 Um now this goes to ship before they even get 1:52:02.000 --> 1:52:04.519 out of the U haul, because somebody calls the police 1:52:04.760 --> 1:52:07.679 and reports what looks like a little army of guys 1:52:07.680 --> 1:52:10.240 with weapons and shields piling into a U haul. And 1:52:10.280 --> 1:52:13.240 again the police are saying that this was a concerned 1:52:13.280 --> 1:52:16.320 citizen and it based on the kind of most recent reporting, 1:52:16.560 --> 1:52:19.439 it may just be a random citizen of Quarterline who 1:52:19.439 --> 1:52:21.840 actually like was for understandable reasons, right, if you like 1:52:21.880 --> 1:52:25.160 see this happening, you're like, yeah, maybe I should I 1:52:25.240 --> 1:52:29.479 might need to call somebody about this. Yeah. Um, I 1:52:29.479 --> 1:52:32.599 wouldn't call the cops necessarily, but you know, in this case, 1:52:32.640 --> 1:52:35.880 it seems to have worked out that said, knowing their background, 1:52:36.160 --> 1:52:39.800 you have to acknowledge the possibility that they that it 1:52:39.880 --> 1:52:45.760 was one of them who called the police. Impossible. Um now, 1:52:45.760 --> 1:52:48.880 there's initially reports that it was the FEDS reports, I 1:52:49.160 --> 1:52:51.960 should say, from the cops on the scene. And again 1:52:52.560 --> 1:52:55.840 it's reasonable that journalists overhearing that recording it would report 1:52:55.880 --> 1:52:58.680 on it that said cops on the scene are no 1:52:58.920 --> 1:53:02.160 more accurate about what actually has happened than like random 1:53:02.240 --> 1:53:07.439 passers by, and they're more likely just openly lie and 1:53:07.439 --> 1:53:10.639 and you know, I I would not. I'm certain there's 1:53:10.640 --> 1:53:14.040 a FED or or or four inside Patriot Front that 1:53:14.200 --> 1:53:17.719 said it doesn't seem like this was a FED bust, 1:53:17.760 --> 1:53:20.000 although I you know, it's not impossible that it was, 1:53:20.120 --> 1:53:23.040 because if you were the FEDS and you had a 1:53:23.040 --> 1:53:24.880 guy in here and you decided you want to arrest 1:53:24.920 --> 1:53:29.160 these people to avoid a potential Charlottesville kind of situation 1:53:29.479 --> 1:53:32.760 happening again, um, maybe you would want to just say 1:53:32.760 --> 1:53:35.240 it was like a random person who called I don't know, 1:53:35.600 --> 1:53:38.439 this does not there's no reason that this needed to 1:53:38.439 --> 1:53:41.120 be a FED bust. They were not like this did 1:53:41.120 --> 1:53:45.679 not require the FBI's infiltration capability to deal with. Like 1:53:45.439 --> 1:53:48.240 it it was a bunch of Nazis piling into a 1:53:48.320 --> 1:53:50.880 U haul. I don't have trouble believing that some dude 1:53:50.960 --> 1:53:55.559 was just like, hey, hey cops. Yeah, and it's there's 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:57.600 been a lot of like surprise online that like, the 1:53:57.640 --> 1:53:59.759 cops did their job, but they went after these people. 1:54:00.200 --> 1:54:02.720 I think the surprise there is kind of based on 1:54:02.760 --> 1:54:06.160 some misconceptions, and these are misconceptions kind of pushed in 1:54:06.240 --> 1:54:08.799 part by the fact that over the last few years, 1:54:09.160 --> 1:54:13.519 when we have seen fascist groups rally in places like Portland, UM, 1:54:13.640 --> 1:54:17.120 or like Charlottesville. UM. For the United the Right rally, 1:54:17.280 --> 1:54:19.360 the cops tend to be on their side and tend 1:54:19.439 --> 1:54:22.840 to protect them. UM. But what you're looking at are 1:54:22.880 --> 1:54:25.360 two different things in a lot of ways. Because the 1:54:25.400 --> 1:54:27.479 cops in a place like Portland, and I assume in 1:54:27.479 --> 1:54:29.720 a place like Charlottesville, I'm not as familiar with their 1:54:29.920 --> 1:54:31.800 police demographics, but I know this is the case in 1:54:31.800 --> 1:54:35.400 Portland don't live in Portland. They live in places like Battleground, Washington. 1:54:35.600 --> 1:54:38.640 You know. Um, they live in these these the surrounding 1:54:39.120 --> 1:54:42.960 more rural and suburban communities, and they don't like the 1:54:43.000 --> 1:54:45.280 city that they police, and they kind of see them 1:54:45.280 --> 1:54:49.480 as an enemy. So when other people generally from similar 1:54:49.520 --> 1:54:52.680 suburbs and rural communities as the cops show up to 1:54:52.800 --> 1:54:56.760 fight the kids that Portland cops don't like, um, the 1:54:56.800 --> 1:54:58.600 Portland cops are going to be on the side of that. 1:54:58.640 --> 1:55:00.520 And this is again you see version of this occur 1:55:00.560 --> 1:55:04.960 around the country. In quart Aline, this was not like 1:55:05.040 --> 1:55:09.880 quarterline cops live in cort Aline, you know, like they 1:55:10.080 --> 1:55:12.440 they're from that community. And even if I'm sure a 1:55:12.520 --> 1:55:15.440 number of them, if not many or most of them 1:55:15.480 --> 1:55:18.880 have like attitudes towards you know, have said some negative 1:55:18.880 --> 1:55:21.960 things about gay people. These are also like they're probably 1:55:22.000 --> 1:55:23.760 some of them are probably related to people with that 1:55:23.840 --> 1:55:26.680 pride rally. Um this is and in general these are 1:55:26.720 --> 1:55:29.240 like there's they are probably seeing this as like, well, 1:55:29.480 --> 1:55:33.040 whatever I think about pride. These are people who live 1:55:33.080 --> 1:55:35.440 in quart Aline and a bunch of folks from outside 1:55:35.440 --> 1:55:38.360 of the state are driving into funk with them. They're 1:55:38.400 --> 1:55:40.720 not generally going to be on board with that. And 1:55:40.760 --> 1:55:44.560 as a general rule, also, cops don't like people coming 1:55:44.600 --> 1:55:48.360 in to their town like home to cause trouble. And 1:55:48.400 --> 1:55:52.360 these are people from like eleven different states entering Idaho 1:55:52.760 --> 1:55:55.240 to like funk with people who live in Idaho. I'm 1:55:55.280 --> 1:55:59.160 not surprised that the police actually did something here. Um. 1:55:59.200 --> 1:56:01.760 It doesn't like mean that these are the good cops 1:56:01.840 --> 1:56:03.920 that were mythically all looking for. It just means that 1:56:04.000 --> 1:56:07.480 like nobody wants this happening in their hometown. Like nobody 1:56:07.560 --> 1:56:10.960 nobody wants these assholes running into town dressed as like 1:56:11.200 --> 1:56:14.560 little Hitler youth guys and marching around like that's like, 1:56:14.640 --> 1:56:17.680 of course they don't want that. Who would? Um, So 1:56:17.720 --> 1:56:20.960 the cops pull over this fucking new haul. Um, there's 1:56:21.560 --> 1:56:24.000 the footage of it is some of the funniest ship 1:56:24.080 --> 1:56:27.920 on the space of the Earth's so good because they 1:56:27.960 --> 1:56:29.960 just roll up the back of this thing. There's like 1:56:30.040 --> 1:56:32.960 some fucking quardling cop with an a R like pointed 1:56:33.000 --> 1:56:36.960 in there, and there's just all these fucking goober Nazis 1:56:37.000 --> 1:56:42.920 and they're they're fucking Polos and Khakis and their fascist gators. Um, god, 1:56:42.960 --> 1:56:45.240 it's good. I look up this footage. If you can 1:56:45.240 --> 1:56:49.440 find you owe yourself to do this. It's amazing. We 1:56:49.440 --> 1:56:52.040 should state we're not really We'll be getting more coverage 1:56:52.080 --> 1:56:54.720 to what happens and what happened elsewhere on this day. 1:56:54.840 --> 1:56:56.600 You had a lot of ugly ship happened to day 1:56:56.600 --> 1:56:58.680 in Quardlinge because there are a lot of heavily armed 1:56:58.680 --> 1:57:02.160 fascists rallying who are are in many cases locals or 1:57:02.320 --> 1:57:06.000 from nearby places like Spokane. Um, Matt Shay, who is 1:57:06.040 --> 1:57:09.920 a former state legislator from Washington who lives nearby, who 1:57:09.960 --> 1:57:14.080 is a accused domestic terrorist, leads a march through quard Aline. 1:57:14.440 --> 1:57:16.760 These guys are not stopped by the cops right in 1:57:16.840 --> 1:57:20.680 part because like they're not a bunch of dudes from 1:57:20.720 --> 1:57:23.160 out of state showing up to march around in ridiculous 1:57:23.240 --> 1:57:26.640 Nazi uniforms. Right, the police are notably less concerned about 1:57:26.640 --> 1:57:28.920 the guys in a R fifteen and plate carriers than 1:57:28.960 --> 1:57:32.080 they are about Patriot Front, which is again it's because 1:57:32.120 --> 1:57:36.560 of like what's actually going on here, you know, um, 1:57:36.600 --> 1:57:40.880 but there are like armed people fright like threatening and 1:57:40.880 --> 1:57:43.720 and trying to confront or at least standing around outside 1:57:43.760 --> 1:57:45.320 of a Pride march in a way that you know, 1:57:45.360 --> 1:57:47.960 if you're doing that with a bunch of guns, that's concerning. 1:57:48.000 --> 1:57:51.160 Anti fascists show up to protest them and very successfully 1:57:51.240 --> 1:57:54.840 kind of keep a wall between the folks showing up 1:57:54.920 --> 1:57:59.600 for Pride and the folks rallying with guns. Um, So 1:57:59.640 --> 1:58:01.520 that it is a thing that is happening. I don't 1:58:01.560 --> 1:58:04.000 want to This has been the thing that has kind 1:58:04.000 --> 1:58:06.120 of like gotten the most attention from Quarterly and I 1:58:06.160 --> 1:58:10.040 don't think that's bad, like from a standpoint of like 1:58:10.120 --> 1:58:12.560 what is useful Seeing a bunch of Nazis get their 1:58:12.600 --> 1:58:17.000 ship like wrecked is definitely an ideal takeaway from the 1:58:17.080 --> 1:58:20.440 Quarterline event because, especially considering the amount of violence I 1:58:20.440 --> 1:58:23.360 think we were all worried might occur there Um, I'm 1:58:23.480 --> 1:58:26.160 very happy that the primary takeaway is Patriot Front all 1:58:26.200 --> 1:58:29.879 got arrested. Um, But the things that we were concerned 1:58:29.920 --> 1:58:32.400 about there again, there's a bunch of dudes show up 1:58:32.440 --> 1:58:34.600 with guns to stare at a Pride rally. That's not 1:58:34.680 --> 1:58:39.080 a not a positive development. But this group of Nazis 1:58:39.200 --> 1:58:42.400 all get arrested, and that is positive because it's extremely 1:58:42.400 --> 1:58:46.160 funny and sometimes it's nice for things to just be funny. Um. 1:58:46.520 --> 1:58:49.080 So the next kind of thing you see from Patriot 1:58:49.080 --> 1:58:51.800 Front is them all pulled out of a U haul 1:58:51.960 --> 1:58:56.280 on their knees, handcuffed, getting arrested one by one, uh 1:58:56.320 --> 1:58:58.680 and taken to a jail and quarterly there's some very 1:58:58.720 --> 1:59:01.800 funny quotes were like the police are being gas do 1:59:01.800 --> 1:59:03.760 you even have room for all these people? And they're like, oh, 1:59:03.800 --> 1:59:10.959 we'll figure it out. Like, don't worry, it's um Rousseau 1:59:11.000 --> 1:59:15.040 and a bunch of guys are in getting criminal conspiracy charges. Um, 1:59:15.240 --> 1:59:18.560 they're all getting conspiracy to riot, which is a misdemeanor. 1:59:19.120 --> 1:59:23.240 There's some rumors that a journalist posted that a number 1:59:23.320 --> 1:59:25.520 of them have illegal had illegal guns and they're getting 1:59:25.520 --> 1:59:28.280 illegal gun charges. I haven't seen confirmation about that. I'd 1:59:28.280 --> 1:59:30.280 be shocked if some of them were not carrying guns 1:59:30.720 --> 1:59:34.640 in the state of Idaho. Anybody can right. UM. I 1:59:34.720 --> 1:59:37.160 do think they were specifically violating the law by having 1:59:37.200 --> 1:59:40.160 firearms while sitting in the box back of a box truck, 1:59:40.240 --> 1:59:43.160 because I think, for like reasons of accidents that have 1:59:43.240 --> 1:59:46.440 happened hunting, you're not supposed to do that in Idaho. UM. 1:59:46.480 --> 1:59:50.080 But I haven't seen charges as a result of that. Um. 1:59:50.120 --> 1:59:52.640 It's debatable as to what's going to stick. However, there's 1:59:52.680 --> 1:59:55.400 reasons to kind of suspect that something will because they 1:59:55.440 --> 1:59:58.840 had like seven or whatever page plan for how to 1:59:59.160 --> 2:00:04.000 handle the like they had their little riot notes. Oh god, 2:00:04.240 --> 2:00:07.080 they had like sticks and a smoke bomb and stuff. 2:00:07.160 --> 2:00:10.840 So it's not like an impossible case to convict them. 2:00:12.200 --> 2:00:15.280 I will say, you know, like, you're not you're not 2:00:15.400 --> 2:00:18.320 asking like the moon of the police in this instance, 2:00:18.360 --> 2:00:20.320 to like or of the prosecutors or whatever to be 2:00:20.320 --> 2:00:24.320 able to actually convict UM. So we'll see what happens. UM. 2:00:24.400 --> 2:00:28.120 What's definitely happening is that this is very funny. Um. 2:00:28.400 --> 2:00:32.280 Patriot Front is extremely incompetent. I would not take this 2:00:32.320 --> 2:00:35.080 as a broader sign that like number one, the police 2:00:35.120 --> 2:00:40.120 are taking threats against Pride rallies. More seriously, No, Um, 2:00:40.160 --> 2:00:42.080 I would not take this as a broader sign that 2:00:42.200 --> 2:00:46.600 like fascists are are are getting heavily stopped. I also wouldn't. 2:00:46.600 --> 2:00:50.040 There's also been people saying that like and again this 2:00:50.120 --> 2:00:52.280 is coming from that journalists who claim that, like there's 2:00:52.280 --> 2:00:54.600 a bunch of gun charges pending, and maybe there are, 2:00:54.960 --> 2:00:58.120 but like, I think the comment she made was like 2:00:58.240 --> 2:01:01.320 a massacre was averted. I do not believe Patriot Front 2:01:01.360 --> 2:01:05.320 was planning to massacre or anybody there's That's just that's 2:01:05.360 --> 2:01:08.560 not their m o. That's not like again, not that 2:01:08.600 --> 2:01:11.400 they're not Nazis, not that they don't want people dead, 2:01:11.760 --> 2:01:14.960 but like they're like, these guys are like the milk 2:01:15.040 --> 2:01:17.880 toast is baby ist Nazis, right, they show up and 2:01:17.920 --> 2:01:22.160 they march around in their fucking like Tommy hill Figer 2:01:22.280 --> 2:01:25.520 Nazi uniforms. You know, like they're not these are not 2:01:26.240 --> 2:01:29.640 folks planning in an organized capacity to commit acts of 2:01:29.720 --> 2:01:33.200 mass violence. Um, because that would be scary to them 2:01:33.320 --> 2:01:36.960 because they're mostly like suburban middle class kids. Um. One 2:01:36.960 --> 2:01:38.880 of the funniest things that has come out of this 2:01:39.080 --> 2:01:41.480 is like one of the Nazis who get arrested in 2:01:41.520 --> 2:01:44.920 Idaho's mom has started doing the news because she's like, 2:01:45.280 --> 2:01:47.240 I kicked him out of the house. I keep trying 2:01:47.280 --> 2:01:48.880 to get him to I don't know what to do 2:01:48.960 --> 2:01:51.040 to get him out of this group. So I've told 2:01:51.080 --> 2:01:53.600 him he can't live with me anymore because after his divorce, 2:01:53.720 --> 2:01:57.160 he's been living with me. Um, and I'm going to 2:01:57.240 --> 2:01:59.120 talk to the media about the fact that my son 2:01:59.240 --> 2:02:01.520 is a stupid Nazi until he stops being one. I 2:02:01.560 --> 2:02:03.520 don't know what else to do. And it does sound 2:02:03.560 --> 2:02:06.880 like she's really legitimately like trying to grapple with like 2:02:06.920 --> 2:02:08.720 I don't know why he's doing this. I don't know 2:02:08.760 --> 2:02:10.440 how to stop it, but like it seems like the 2:02:10.480 --> 2:02:13.480 best thing I can do is embarrass him, um, which 2:02:13.680 --> 2:02:18.720 is I think probably a good move on her part. Yeah. Um, 2:02:18.760 --> 2:02:21.040 there's a fun Daily Beast article about that. You could 2:02:21.080 --> 2:02:23.600 really hear her frustrations, like I don't know why he's 2:02:23.680 --> 2:02:29.440 doing this, like it all started around. It's very frustrating 2:02:30.000 --> 2:02:33.040 you feel for her. So I don't know, Chris, you 2:02:33.040 --> 2:02:35.880 got anything else to say about Patriot Front. I I 2:02:35.960 --> 2:02:38.120 do think it's extremely funny that, like, well, I don't. 2:02:38.160 --> 2:02:40.520 I don't know. In some sense, it's funny. In some sense, 2:02:40.520 --> 2:02:42.720 it's kind of disturbing, which is that like the rights 2:02:42.760 --> 2:02:45.520 reaction to this was immediately to accuse all of him 2:02:45.520 --> 2:02:49.640 and being Feds. Yeah, I mean, which, like it's interesting 2:02:49.640 --> 2:02:53.640 to me that, like that's just like anytime something happens 2:02:53.680 --> 2:02:55.920 in the US now, like and this is this is 2:02:55.920 --> 2:03:00.600 across almost the entire political spectrum, everyone immediately this was 2:03:00.640 --> 2:03:02.360 the Feds or so sometime sometimes sometimes you get it 2:03:02.400 --> 2:03:06.120 was Russia because sometimes you yeah, because it's like if 2:03:06.120 --> 2:03:07.800 you're someone who like the Feds are the good guys, 2:03:07.800 --> 2:03:09.400 it's like, well, you need another person who did all this. 2:03:09.880 --> 2:03:13.840 So like that's disturbing and kind of grim to me 2:03:14.080 --> 2:03:17.240 that it's it's literally everyone with everything has just turned 2:03:17.240 --> 2:03:21.000 into Alex Jones. And it's like, yeah, you know, I 2:03:21.000 --> 2:03:24.280 think the motivation for that on all the sides, there's 2:03:24.320 --> 2:03:27.960 definitely like a core of legitimate belief that because the 2:03:27.960 --> 2:03:30.960 Feds infiltrating the FEDS have infiltrated a lot of fascist groups, 2:03:30.960 --> 2:03:33.120 and the FEDS have you know, had a history of 2:03:33.160 --> 2:03:36.080 infiltrating left wing groups and whatnot, Like the Feds have 2:03:36.160 --> 2:03:37.600 done a lot of this stuff, so that makes some 2:03:37.680 --> 2:03:41.560 people paranoid. But also I think if you are on 2:03:41.640 --> 2:03:45.880 the grifter end of things, right, and you want to 2:03:45.880 --> 2:03:50.160 talk about this stuff, but you don't actually want uh 2:03:50.200 --> 2:03:53.520 to put yourself at risk, Um, that's an easy way 2:03:53.600 --> 2:03:57.360 to kind of divorce your listeners and supporters and stuff 2:03:57.400 --> 2:04:01.640 from the stuff that's potentially illegal is by saying, well, 2:04:01.680 --> 2:04:04.600 that's all the Feds. Um. Yeah. And I think also 2:04:04.720 --> 2:04:08.480 especially like I think people are I don't know, it's 2:04:08.480 --> 2:04:10.240 more frustrating on the left because people do it with 2:04:10.280 --> 2:04:12.320 stuff that like the PR is actually pretty good. But 2:04:12.440 --> 2:04:14.480 like with people on the right, there's a lot of 2:04:14.520 --> 2:04:16.680 like this has become one of their sort of like 2:04:16.680 --> 2:04:19.680 pr management things of like anytime something looks bad for them, no, 2:04:19.800 --> 2:04:22.360 it was the Feds, and it's like no. And I 2:04:22.440 --> 2:04:24.840 don't think that's on the right at least I think 2:04:24.840 --> 2:04:27.360 it's there. I think there's more legitimate belief that it's 2:04:27.400 --> 2:04:30.040 the FEDS on folks in the left to do this. Yeah. 2:04:30.400 --> 2:04:32.640 I think on the right it is nearly always just 2:04:32.760 --> 2:04:35.880 like this is how you do damage control, Like this 2:04:35.920 --> 2:04:37.680 is how we this is how we distract from the 2:04:37.680 --> 2:04:40.120 fact that our guys keep carrying out attacks or whatever, 2:04:40.240 --> 2:04:45.320 or in this case that our our dudes are profoundly embarrassing. Yeah, 2:04:46.760 --> 2:04:48.760 um is you is You're like no, that was the 2:04:48.840 --> 2:04:53.040 FBI packing thirty federal agents into the back of a 2:04:53.200 --> 2:04:57.560 U haul and getting arrested by the cord Alone police. 2:04:58.400 --> 2:05:02.400 A classic FBI if I've ever seen what my favorite 2:05:02.400 --> 2:05:03.880 one of those people who like, you're never going to 2:05:03.960 --> 2:05:06.200 see the names of any of these people, like literally 2:05:06.280 --> 2:05:09.040 two hours later, every single person got booked, all of 2:05:09.080 --> 2:05:13.920 their names, of their names, every newspaper and it is again, 2:05:13.920 --> 2:05:18.240 this does show you how the quarter Aline police don't 2:05:18.560 --> 2:05:21.160 want people coming in from out of town to funk 2:05:21.200 --> 2:05:23.480 with people who live in cort Aline. That's not a 2:05:24.400 --> 2:05:27.560 them being woke. They like nobody no cops like that 2:05:27.680 --> 2:05:31.800 sort of ship. Yeah, yeah, like yeah, yeah, these guys 2:05:31.800 --> 2:05:33.480 are these guys are at the hometown fascist right, like 2:05:33.520 --> 2:05:36.840 they're they're fine with Yeah, they're finely exactly Biblical basis 2:05:36.880 --> 2:05:39.680 award dude, just like yeah, but these are like, these 2:05:39.680 --> 2:05:43.240 are weird out of town fascists and it's like, yeah, cops, 2:05:44.080 --> 2:05:47.760 I don't know there. Yeah, And it's they're very territorial. 2:05:48.240 --> 2:05:50.000 One of the one of the ways you can see 2:05:50.040 --> 2:05:52.440 the territoriality is like the first thing the quarter Aline 2:05:52.440 --> 2:05:54.720 police do is be like, oh, we're going to give 2:05:54.760 --> 2:05:58.560 everyone's name and where they live. Like we're doing that immediately. 2:05:59.080 --> 2:06:01.360 And of course the the backlash to that from the 2:06:01.400 --> 2:06:03.800 fascist has been that now a bunch of fascists are 2:06:03.880 --> 2:06:08.200 doxing and calling in death threats to Quarterline cops. Um. 2:06:08.240 --> 2:06:11.160 Which again there's this open question of like, are any 2:06:11.160 --> 2:06:13.680 of these charges gonna stick for Patriot Front. The fact 2:06:13.680 --> 2:06:16.520 that an organized flood of death threats is going in 2:06:16.600 --> 2:06:20.120 for the police charging them is not good for their cases. 2:06:20.200 --> 2:06:26.400 Oh no, they're just they're just it's like, guys, guys, 2:06:26.400 --> 2:06:29.560 some free cop advice for me. Cops don't like getting 2:06:29.600 --> 2:06:37.200 death threats, so that that really makes them angry. Yeah. Um, 2:06:37.280 --> 2:06:41.360 so that's funny. I don't know what else to say 2:06:41.360 --> 2:06:45.360 about it. Uh, it is pretty funny. Um. There's aspect 2:06:45.400 --> 2:06:47.960 again the broader problem of there were a bunch of 2:06:48.080 --> 2:06:53.200 dudes with a RS showing up to to threaten um 2:06:53.240 --> 2:06:55.800 a pride gathering was not fun, although also a lot 2:06:55.880 --> 2:06:59.560 of folks showed up to defend and support those people. Um. 2:06:59.760 --> 2:07:02.320 And I I think I think also like from from 2:07:02.320 --> 2:07:03.840 what I'm from they're putting. This is like one of 2:07:03.840 --> 2:07:06.600 the largest part events I've ever had, So like I 2:07:06.640 --> 2:07:09.400 think we're about people. Yeah, yeah, people. People aren't being 2:07:09.680 --> 2:07:14.560 like as an intimidation tactic. It's not working. It does 2:07:14.600 --> 2:07:17.200 not have worked. Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's work. 2:07:17.240 --> 2:07:19.640 It's it's it's working in so far as it's it's 2:07:19.720 --> 2:07:22.040 you know, it's further radicalizing the right. But like it's not. 2:07:22.720 --> 2:07:26.680 It hasn't gotten to the point where, like I don't know, 2:07:26.720 --> 2:07:29.840 people like it hasn't gone to the point where like 2:07:29.880 --> 2:07:32.240 these things just are like Pride events just aren't happening 2:07:32.320 --> 2:07:36.280 because there because the threat is great enough. So yeah, 2:07:36.720 --> 2:07:41.640 and I I would say, broadly speaking, if you kind 2:07:41.640 --> 2:07:43.800 of look at all of the things that we saw 2:07:43.960 --> 2:07:48.840 in the quarterly event, it's some more more positive signs. 2:07:48.880 --> 2:07:52.200 The negative ones. Um, the negative stuff is stuff that 2:07:52.240 --> 2:07:55.920 we have seen a lot before. The militia ship um, 2:07:56.080 --> 2:07:59.760 the folks rallying to defend those people, the people turning 2:07:59.840 --> 2:08:02.480 up for the Pride event, Um, that's all positive. And 2:08:02.520 --> 2:08:06.200 of course the most prominent fascists at the event embarrassing themselves. 2:08:06.240 --> 2:08:09.320 Like that's positive. So I am I feel I I 2:08:10.160 --> 2:08:14.000 do feel like we were all worried over here about 2:08:14.000 --> 2:08:16.200 how the event in Quarterline was going to go. I 2:08:16.200 --> 2:08:19.160 feel really good about how it it went, which is 2:08:19.240 --> 2:08:21.760 not too especially I know that there's folks from Quarterline. 2:08:21.760 --> 2:08:26.600 They're not to minimize the problems and the threats faced, 2:08:26.680 --> 2:08:31.640 especially from people in Idaho, because boy, that is rough 2:08:31.760 --> 2:08:36.720 territory to be organizing in defense of LGBT people. UM, 2:08:36.760 --> 2:08:41.400 but I I think, broadly speaking, more good news than 2:08:41.440 --> 2:08:46.360 bad news from from Quarterline. So I wanna give our 2:08:46.520 --> 2:08:48.920 appreciation and thanks to the folks who showed up in 2:08:49.040 --> 2:08:54.280 Quarterline UM to support this event to confront the fascists. UM, 2:08:54.360 --> 2:08:58.320 y'all are awesome and doing something difficult in a place 2:08:58.600 --> 2:09:02.200 that need you to be doing that. So thank you. 2:09:18.240 --> 2:09:28.840 Here we go it could happen here podcast where our 2:09:28.920 --> 2:09:31.600 intros get increasingly more segmented as you've realized we have 2:09:31.640 --> 2:09:34.280 no idea who was going to do the intro. Yeah, 2:09:34.320 --> 2:09:37.600 we've never, at no point during the existence of this 2:09:37.680 --> 2:09:40.280 show or its growth, have we have we planned a 2:09:40.320 --> 2:09:42.640 single thing or talked about how to do our jobs. 2:09:42.720 --> 2:09:45.040 I've never. I don't even know who who we who 2:09:45.080 --> 2:09:48.640 we are? UM, we are all meeting for the first time. Um, 2:09:48.680 --> 2:09:51.720 I have that disease that Adam Sandler has or what's 2:09:51.720 --> 2:09:54.919 her name has in that Adam Sandler movie where he forgets, 2:09:55.080 --> 2:09:57.920 she forgets everything every day. That's me. But Drew Baron 2:09:57.920 --> 2:10:00.400 wore is that? That's right? That's right, Cherie Drew anymore, 2:10:00.720 --> 2:10:03.920 I forgot I forgot it. But I can just is 2:10:03.960 --> 2:10:05.520 the same thing as a memento, because that's all I 2:10:05.520 --> 2:10:09.400 can think of. Yes, Sandler and Memento. Yes, Adam Sandler's 2:10:09.440 --> 2:10:14.560 Memento my favorite movie. Well, we should probably introduce the 2:10:14.600 --> 2:10:19.080 episode today. Yeah, so it's me. It's just for Wong. 2:10:19.280 --> 2:10:24.080 And today we're doing an episode that is uh, you know, okay, 2:10:24.120 --> 2:10:26.400 we we we've we've we've we've been forced feeding you 2:10:26.680 --> 2:10:29.360 really grim stuff for a long time. So today we 2:10:29.360 --> 2:10:32.520 working to an episode about southern colonialism and politics and 2:10:32.560 --> 2:10:35.800 board games because that's also extremely cool and it does 2:10:35.840 --> 2:10:37.800 not I mean, it is kind of depressing, but it 2:10:38.880 --> 2:10:44.080 involves less doom than normal. And yeah, and with me 2:10:44.160 --> 2:10:47.240 talk about this that it is is Sharine or our 2:10:47.320 --> 2:10:50.400 wonderful producer who also writes for us, and it is 2:10:50.440 --> 2:10:55.000 great and we love thanks, I'm here. Yeah, and Robert 2:10:55.080 --> 2:10:58.560 who we we tolerate. H Oh, that's nice to you. 2:11:00.120 --> 2:11:05.200 You shouldn't, but we do. Kyle, it's nice to meet you. Yeah. 2:11:05.240 --> 2:11:08.480 And also we have Kyle from Strange Matters. Yes, yes, 2:11:08.920 --> 2:11:12.120 I'm Kyle Flannery. I'm my editor and co owner of 2:11:12.480 --> 2:11:16.640 Strange Matters magazine. A. I guess we technically have now launched, 2:11:16.640 --> 2:11:18.480 even with the print issues are not in people's hands. 2:11:18.880 --> 2:11:23.320 A new leftist culture and politics magazine here to be, 2:11:23.760 --> 2:11:29.960 uh the consulting super nerd h awesome. Yeah, I am 2:11:30.040 --> 2:11:33.760 very sad. I mean, well, okay, I feel like weirdly 2:11:33.840 --> 2:11:35.160 for a group of people that I'm in, I have 2:11:35.240 --> 2:11:39.240 probably played the least board games of anyone here, which 2:11:39.280 --> 2:11:44.720 is Yeah. So when when I was a kid, my 2:11:44.720 --> 2:11:47.200 my board game was Risk. Yeah, I did a bunch 2:11:47.200 --> 2:11:49.640 of others. I played like hero Quest and obviously Access, 2:11:49.640 --> 2:11:52.800 and I'll say I say I played Access and Allies. 2:11:52.920 --> 2:11:55.720 I set up Access and Allies forwards many a time, 2:11:55.800 --> 2:11:58.360 and then gave up after like fifteen minutes of playing game. 2:11:58.400 --> 2:12:01.200 I mean that's that's how. That's how I here. Request, Yeah, 2:12:01.200 --> 2:12:04.080 because I was like a Request rule book and I 2:12:04.080 --> 2:12:05.400 was like, I have no idea what's going on here? 2:12:06.760 --> 2:12:11.080 Like ten but no, specifically my fucking thing. We would 2:12:11.440 --> 2:12:14.480 speech and debate tournaments. You know, because when you do it, 2:12:14.480 --> 2:12:16.880 you're basically out for a whole weekend, sometimes three days, 2:12:17.360 --> 2:12:21.520 sometimes like four, um, and you're basically living in this school. 2:12:21.880 --> 2:12:24.640 But but you have like maybe one or two hours 2:12:24.680 --> 2:12:26.040 of stuff per day and the rest of the time 2:12:26.040 --> 2:12:28.600 you're just hanging around hearing how your friends are doing. 2:12:28.720 --> 2:12:30.919 Is like, the competition goes on and we would play 2:12:31.240 --> 2:12:34.080 epic specifically Lord of the Rings Risk. We would have 2:12:34.120 --> 2:12:36.840 these massive risk games. Oh I have Yeah, I have 2:12:36.960 --> 2:12:39.800 very good memories playing Lord of the Rings risk with 2:12:39.840 --> 2:12:42.520 my friends. Yeah, I just had the normal vanilla risk. Wow, 2:12:42.560 --> 2:12:45.920 I was really missing out. I just think remember being 2:12:45.920 --> 2:12:50.240 at a bachelor party where after we finished all the 2:12:50.240 --> 2:12:53.360 normal bachelor party stuff, we crawled back to the place 2:12:53.360 --> 2:12:55.440 where everybody's gonna camp out for the night, and so 2:12:55.520 --> 2:12:58.400 we managed to convince one of the other groomsmen that 2:12:58.840 --> 2:13:00.520 a game of risk when he takes about an hour, 2:13:02.960 --> 2:13:04.600 he did this like this, like it was like three 2:13:04.640 --> 2:13:08.840 in the morning. Yeah, it was the wedding that day. Yeah, 2:13:08.880 --> 2:13:11.640 it was like three on the day of the wedding. 2:13:12.520 --> 2:13:16.000 It was an act of extraordinary cruelty. Anyway, he didn't 2:13:16.040 --> 2:13:19.200 get married, but he didn't take Comchotka, which is really 2:13:19.320 --> 2:13:22.760 key to his his plans to assault North America. We 2:13:22.760 --> 2:13:25.000 we we shockingly did all make it to the wedding, 2:13:25.000 --> 2:13:28.680 which was very much a risk, very much a risk. Yeah, 2:13:28.760 --> 2:13:32.800 very much a risk. Uh. Yeah, that's why it's called that. Yeah, 2:13:33.120 --> 2:13:35.480 I was. I was smart enough to just go, no, 2:13:35.720 --> 2:13:39.880 I'm going to bed. I'm not doing three am risk. 2:13:39.960 --> 2:13:44.080 That's not happy. But yeah, I guess to kind of 2:13:44.400 --> 2:13:46.360 back up in front a little bit of context about 2:13:46.480 --> 2:13:49.200 why I kind of thought this was so worth talking about, 2:13:49.840 --> 2:13:51.640 because I'm guessing that there's some readers at home who 2:13:51.680 --> 2:13:54.480 are having a very common thought, which is, why why 2:13:54.560 --> 2:13:57.840 are you talking about board games? Like who cares? Um? 2:13:57.960 --> 2:14:01.000 And you know, I'm reminded little bit of the little 2:14:01.040 --> 2:14:02.800 tweet joke from a while ago of a couple of 2:14:02.880 --> 2:14:04.400 years ago. I'm gona talk about a little while ago 2:14:04.600 --> 2:14:08.720 of on Star Trek they have the uh you know, 2:14:08.760 --> 2:14:12.440 they've got there what do they call that? The Holi Deck? Uh? 2:14:12.480 --> 2:14:15.080 They about the Holi Deck. And but for some reason, 2:14:15.120 --> 2:14:17.080 every week everybody's into some weird new board game. What 2:14:17.120 --> 2:14:19.920 the hell is going on? With that. Uh. And for 2:14:20.000 --> 2:14:23.120 the people who aren't aware of this kind of sector 2:14:23.200 --> 2:14:27.720 of nerddom, board games are actually massively more popular than 2:14:27.720 --> 2:14:31.320 they were when I was a child, when osmlenules were young. 2:14:31.360 --> 2:14:32.880 And a large part of that point has actually been 2:14:32.880 --> 2:14:36.320 from game developers themselves. Uh. The people who make your 2:14:36.400 --> 2:14:40.160 video games absolutely fucking love board games. Uh. And it's 2:14:40.200 --> 2:14:42.920 for a pretty simple reason, which is that you know, 2:14:43.000 --> 2:14:45.520 all of the rules to the game. Board games are 2:14:45.600 --> 2:14:49.040 naked before your eyes. You have you have stripped them 2:14:49.040 --> 2:14:52.520 down to their their atomic components before you have done anything. 2:14:52.720 --> 2:14:56.120 And that means that if you are interested in the 2:14:56.240 --> 2:14:58.760 art of how a game works, uh, they're actually wonderful 2:14:58.800 --> 2:15:01.120 case studies because you can see very quickly the way 2:15:01.160 --> 2:15:04.440 that you move from what the mechanic is doing to 2:15:04.640 --> 2:15:06.520 like what it means. Whereas in a video game that 2:15:06.520 --> 2:15:07.680 can be a lot more obscure, it can be a 2:15:07.680 --> 2:15:11.960 lot more complicated, and it requires it can require a 2:15:12.000 --> 2:15:14.560 lot of digging. You don't have to. You know, I 2:15:14.560 --> 2:15:16.280 am enough of a turb owner that I have broken 2:15:16.280 --> 2:15:18.960 into the game's files for video various video games I've 2:15:18.960 --> 2:15:21.840 played and ripped out the code and looked at it 2:15:21.840 --> 2:15:25.240 and been like, so that's the drop rate because again 2:15:25.400 --> 2:15:28.320 I'm a consulting turb owner here. But with the board game, 2:15:28.360 --> 2:15:29.840 you don't have to do that. You just know all 2:15:29.880 --> 2:15:32.920 of the rules upfront. Uh, and so you know if 2:15:32.960 --> 2:15:37.000 you're uh and so that that's you know, reveal, I 2:15:37.000 --> 2:15:39.280 can reveal a lot about what the designer's intentions are, 2:15:39.320 --> 2:15:41.960 what they're communicating, and how that communication all works. So 2:15:42.000 --> 2:15:45.920 that's that was kind of my start point here. Should 2:15:45.920 --> 2:15:47.160 I just keep on going and explain what the hell 2:15:47.240 --> 2:15:48.680 is going on with this article that I'm about? Yeah, 2:15:48.720 --> 2:15:51.080 I mean, I was going to note that the primary 2:15:51.120 --> 2:15:53.960 board game played in Star Trek T and G was 2:15:53.960 --> 2:15:59.160 was was Stratagema in the uh, the classic episode in 2:15:59.160 --> 2:16:01.960 which data has to get really good at what is 2:16:02.000 --> 2:16:09.160 basically holographic chess. Um. Yes, anyway, you talked about Star 2:16:09.200 --> 2:16:12.120 Trek the next generation. So now that's that's all. That's 2:16:12.520 --> 2:16:14.080 good the way to get to the awful board games 2:16:14.120 --> 2:16:18.000 from d S nine. Oh god, yeah, there's I mean, 2:16:18.240 --> 2:16:21.480 Strategy M is pretty ridiculous and the episode is very silly, 2:16:22.280 --> 2:16:24.640 but it's it's one of the more fun data episodes. 2:16:26.680 --> 2:16:28.320 Episode from d S nine I think is only considered 2:16:28.320 --> 2:16:32.000 the worst episode in all of d S nine. Yeah, yeah, 2:16:32.080 --> 2:16:34.200 I mean there's I think the worst episode of Star 2:16:34.280 --> 2:16:36.360 Trek the Next Generation is not the board game, but 2:16:36.440 --> 2:16:38.800 it's the one where Riker and his dad fight in 2:16:39.160 --> 2:16:42.000 what's basically American gladiator, you do, where they have to 2:16:42.200 --> 2:16:45.480 have the bandit sticks that they have to fight the 2:16:45.640 --> 2:16:50.560 ultimate martial art. Anyway, please continue, So so talk. So 2:16:50.720 --> 2:16:53.320 I wrote this article that has is upcoming in publication. 2:16:53.360 --> 2:16:55.520 It's going to be in our first issue, uh, And 2:16:55.959 --> 2:16:59.400 it's about a particular trend that I noticed in board 2:16:59.440 --> 2:17:02.240 games that there were a lot of board games that 2:17:02.480 --> 2:17:05.240 were in terms of what was actually going on on 2:17:05.360 --> 2:17:08.680 the board, they were incredibly violent, but they managed to 2:17:08.879 --> 2:17:11.520 make it look like there was no violence going on. 2:17:12.600 --> 2:17:16.160 And so I actually I'm grateful for Robert for talking 2:17:16.200 --> 2:17:18.160 about the games that you talked about, you know, Access 2:17:18.160 --> 2:17:21.400 and Allies and Risk. Uh, even like Monopoly, these are 2:17:21.480 --> 2:17:24.199 games that are in was generally known as the American tradition, 2:17:24.320 --> 2:17:26.879 where the goal is to eliminate all the opposing players 2:17:27.200 --> 2:17:30.920 to be the last last one standing. Yes, like everything 2:17:31.000 --> 2:17:34.520 in American it is like one person wins by using 2:17:34.560 --> 2:17:37.760 either violence or capitalism on the you you survive, you 2:17:37.840 --> 2:17:41.080 outsurvive all of your opponents. Uh, because that was what 2:17:41.160 --> 2:17:43.440 we do in America. We just survive. We just pray 2:17:43.560 --> 2:17:46.600 to God that there is somehow at tomorrow and by God, 2:17:46.720 --> 2:17:51.720 they're going to take Comchatka. Political stance as an American 2:17:51.840 --> 2:17:54.880 is that we will take the Comchatka Peninsula and we're 2:17:54.920 --> 2:17:58.440 going to take Australia. For those three extra armies that 2:17:58.520 --> 2:18:02.600 Australia strategies, I feel like half the risk strategy, half 2:18:02.640 --> 2:18:04.440 the experience I saw, were just waste to nerve the 2:18:04.480 --> 2:18:08.520 Australia strategy. Uh. But um, in any event, that there's 2:18:08.520 --> 2:18:11.800 a European tradition. Uh. And one of the things, and 2:18:12.040 --> 2:18:13.840 that has been a lot that has been very popular 2:18:13.879 --> 2:18:16.000 has made an absolute shitload of money over the last 2:18:16.040 --> 2:18:18.600 several years, shipload being very relative because again, board games 2:18:18.640 --> 2:18:21.039 are pretty small field compared to video games or gambling 2:18:21.200 --> 2:18:24.280 or booze or something like that. Um even kind of 2:18:24.320 --> 2:18:26.960 the dominant name in the game. And Uh. One of 2:18:27.040 --> 2:18:30.000 the kind of major conceits of this style game is 2:18:30.240 --> 2:18:34.120 you don't elimit other players, all players. Any player who 2:18:34.200 --> 2:18:35.920 starts the game at the table is going to end 2:18:35.959 --> 2:18:38.160 the game at the table. You you never limited anybody, 2:18:38.360 --> 2:18:41.120 and this is I think an admirable enough goal. Yeah, 2:18:41.280 --> 2:18:43.160 that's one of the things that's annoying about a lot 2:18:43.200 --> 2:18:44.560 of games is like if you're trying to do a 2:18:44.640 --> 2:18:46.959 party thing and people are getting eliminated. Although it can 2:18:47.040 --> 2:18:49.440 be fun, if everyone is drinking at the same time 2:18:49.560 --> 2:18:52.200 and while you play the game, people get eliminated and 2:18:52.280 --> 2:18:54.480 then get drunker and heckle everyone else at the table, 2:18:54.520 --> 2:18:56.920 that's actually not bad. That's actually not bad. I remember 2:18:56.959 --> 2:18:58.640 it being like middle school in high school, where you 2:18:58.680 --> 2:19:01.120 just have somebody sitting there bitterly four hours. Well, you 2:19:01.240 --> 2:19:04.000 try to clean up a risk game. Um. Anyway, the 2:19:04.200 --> 2:19:06.880 one that most people are probably the one that is 2:19:06.959 --> 2:19:11.000 the most famous infamous is Sellers of katan Um, and 2:19:11.080 --> 2:19:12.920 that's kind of what's my start point. Sellers of katan 2:19:13.280 --> 2:19:17.959 Is is a board game where you play as European 2:19:18.160 --> 2:19:24.120 colonizers to a almost uninhabited island and almost uninhabited island, 2:19:24.240 --> 2:19:28.520 and you cannot damage the other players directly. There is 2:19:28.640 --> 2:19:30.720 no mechanism for doing this. You can block them off 2:19:30.760 --> 2:19:34.039 from building things, you can never send him. I always 2:19:34.120 --> 2:19:38.280 go hard on the roads. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can 2:19:38.320 --> 2:19:41.040 block people with roads. It's a very like it's kind 2:19:41.040 --> 2:19:44.760 of like like about like a rivalry between developers almost. 2:19:46.000 --> 2:19:47.480 But one of the things that that is kind of 2:19:47.520 --> 2:19:50.520 outstanding about this is that, uh, it's not a technically 2:19:50.560 --> 2:19:53.760 on inhabit island. There is a quote robber that starts 2:19:53.800 --> 2:19:57.039 out on the island, uh, and the robbert is capable 2:19:57.200 --> 2:20:00.760 of inflicting violence on the players and it can be 2:20:01.040 --> 2:20:04.560 sort of controlled by the players. And so the part 2:20:04.720 --> 2:20:06.440 that was again striking to me about this is you 2:20:06.600 --> 2:20:09.200 can't directly, you know, if this would actually be the 2:20:09.240 --> 2:20:11.360 right number players of me, Chris, Sherne, and Robert were 2:20:11.360 --> 2:20:13.600 all sitting at a table playing out of Katan. I 2:20:13.680 --> 2:20:15.600 could not eliminate any of them. None of them could 2:20:15.640 --> 2:20:18.480 eliminate me. We could not harm each other directly. We 2:20:18.560 --> 2:20:20.600 can just negotiate with each other, we can trade with 2:20:20.680 --> 2:20:23.800 each other, but there is still ultimately a winner. And uh, 2:20:24.280 --> 2:20:27.440 you know this is if you are willing to make 2:20:27.520 --> 2:20:31.560 some some kind of specific historical amnesia about how colonials 2:20:31.600 --> 2:20:34.760 I'm actually operated where you know, like wars of colonial 2:20:34.800 --> 2:20:37.959 aggression also included like wars in Germany like the Seven 2:20:38.080 --> 2:20:41.359 Years War, or you know, the wars of Spanish succession, 2:20:41.400 --> 2:20:43.520 we're all happening at the same time, but you can, 2:20:43.879 --> 2:20:45.640 you know, it can be viewed as similar to that, 2:20:46.000 --> 2:20:48.760 and again it has this explicit theming, and that is 2:20:50.160 --> 2:20:52.520 I do think that those things, those things are devetailing together, 2:20:53.000 --> 2:20:55.680 right that the only people who are real people are 2:20:55.720 --> 2:21:02.160 the colonizers. The colonized are non agent Dick, They're just set, 2:21:02.800 --> 2:21:07.560 they're they're they're setting. Um. And the more you think 2:21:07.560 --> 2:21:09.200 about it, it's just it's just kind of messed up. 2:21:10.000 --> 2:21:13.120 It's it's just kind of, uh, it's kind of messed up. 2:21:13.160 --> 2:21:15.760 And I do think it's kind of interesting that the 2:21:15.800 --> 2:21:19.960 game doesn't really say this very explicitly, right um. And 2:21:20.120 --> 2:21:22.560 I know, I know there's going to be somebody's going 2:21:22.560 --> 2:21:24.200 to say, oh, you know, the game says rob or 2:21:24.280 --> 2:21:27.520 it doesn't say Native American. How can you know? It's like, 2:21:27.840 --> 2:21:31.360 come on, man, if you watched a movie where there 2:21:31.600 --> 2:21:33.760 was some there was a group of people in the 2:21:33.840 --> 2:21:37.520 movie who were portrayed as violent and incapable of acting 2:21:37.600 --> 2:21:40.560 on their own, and all of these racist tropes, even 2:21:40.640 --> 2:21:43.760 if they were not played by Native American actor, even 2:21:43.760 --> 2:21:47.320 if they didn't use an explicit Native American references, if 2:21:47.400 --> 2:21:50.160 all of the good guys are people who dispossessed this person, 2:21:51.360 --> 2:21:53.960 you know what's going on. People don't look at the 2:21:54.000 --> 2:21:57.360 tempest and they see Caliban and go, this person has 2:21:57.440 --> 2:22:00.800 nothing to do with the Americans that yeah, yeah, they're 2:22:00.800 --> 2:22:05.160 making him uncivilized, like it like civility or like civilians 2:22:05.160 --> 2:22:07.440 in general, they come from somewhere else and they inhabit 2:22:07.520 --> 2:22:10.000 the place. But yeah, you're right, like just like Columbus 2:22:10.080 --> 2:22:14.200 discovered America, the natives are based like it's it's it's 2:22:14.200 --> 2:22:17.560 a blank slate as far as white settlers are concerned, 2:22:17.840 --> 2:22:22.280 and like the positionality of like like the game is 2:22:22.400 --> 2:22:25.080 very explicit about who is a settler and who is not. Right, 2:22:25.120 --> 2:22:28.480 the settlers are you and everyone else playing the game, 2:22:28.600 --> 2:22:30.600 and then you have the other person who's on the 2:22:30.680 --> 2:22:33.640 island who got here before you. And it's like, yeah, 2:22:33.879 --> 2:22:37.840 I mean the name is pretty blunt, like you are, 2:22:38.000 --> 2:22:40.520 like you know, there's no I don't know. It's it's 2:22:40.600 --> 2:22:42.640 very it's very hard to evade. And you know, like 2:22:42.720 --> 2:22:44.640 you can see the art from the game, like it's 2:22:44.640 --> 2:22:48.120 all white people, uh, and it's it's it's kind of 2:22:48.160 --> 2:22:49.920 interesting cause in the first edition printing, they're all kind 2:22:49.920 --> 2:22:52.680 of medieval, but in later editions they're like colonial America. 2:22:52.840 --> 2:22:56.400 Like it's I don't think it's like it requires some 2:22:56.560 --> 2:22:59.280 very deliberate obtuseness to miss that this is what it's 2:22:59.320 --> 2:23:04.119 going on. Um and uh so anyway that has um 2:23:04.560 --> 2:23:07.320 that was that was released like twenty something years ago. Uh. 2:23:07.720 --> 2:23:11.040 I find it very funny that sellers of Katan managed 2:23:11.080 --> 2:23:13.720 to win Game of the Year awards in both two 2:23:13.760 --> 2:23:20.320 thousand and five. Like it hasn't changed, mud, I don't know. Yeah, 2:23:20.480 --> 2:23:25.320 those those are different years, like what's going on? Definitely, Yeah, 2:23:25.600 --> 2:23:27.920 they did add boats. They did add boats. That's true. 2:23:27.959 --> 2:23:30.080 You're not You're not wrong about you don't you don't 2:23:30.200 --> 2:23:33.760 you don't have boats? Come on, that's true. Actually, it's funny. 2:23:33.840 --> 2:23:35.840 My neighbors have a boat. I do not have a 2:23:35.879 --> 2:23:39.440 boat because I'm a regular person who doesn't have lived 2:23:39.520 --> 2:23:44.200 next to a lake. M hm oh yeah, yeah, I 2:23:44.280 --> 2:23:49.240 also do not have a boat. So yeah, I briefly 2:23:49.280 --> 2:23:51.359 had a commute to work that I could have kayaked, 2:23:51.480 --> 2:23:54.560 but I don't know to kayak. That's New York baby. 2:23:55.000 --> 2:23:58.560 I developed a desire to have a boat last year 2:23:58.720 --> 2:24:02.360 because I yeah, I was in Spain and I met 2:24:02.400 --> 2:24:04.600 a Spanish guy with a boat, and that does seem 2:24:04.680 --> 2:24:07.680 like the life. But that's not you're you're, you're, you're 2:24:07.760 --> 2:24:11.680 horrible descend into turning into some sort of Hemmingway adjacent character. Yeah, 2:24:12.000 --> 2:24:13.960 just just I mean it is it is nice to 2:24:14.000 --> 2:24:17.120 be drunk on about. It's also very expensive to have 2:24:17.200 --> 2:24:19.800 a boat, so maybe I'll get drunk on an inflatable 2:24:19.879 --> 2:24:22.720 raft instead. Yeah, I just get a sunfish and just 2:24:22.760 --> 2:24:27.360 flip it over every thirty seconds. Um, the working man's boat. Yeah, 2:24:27.360 --> 2:24:30.200 the working man's boat. Um. But yeah, and uh so 2:24:30.440 --> 2:24:32.920 so from there, I kind of what has happened is 2:24:33.200 --> 2:24:36.600 unsurprisingly that you know, board games are actually kind of 2:24:36.840 --> 2:24:39.720 a summat demographic art form compared to video games, because 2:24:39.720 --> 2:24:43.040 all you really needed some paper, Like really, that's all 2:24:43.040 --> 2:24:44.960 you need. You need some paper. Uh, And you can 2:24:45.000 --> 2:24:47.560 make a board game, uh if you have tabletop simulator. 2:24:47.560 --> 2:24:50.920 You just need tabletop simulator. You're already done, like uh, 2:24:51.400 --> 2:24:53.120 and then you just need to be able to bully 2:24:53.200 --> 2:24:55.240 people into play testing your game. And that's really the 2:24:55.280 --> 2:24:58.480 hard part. Uh. But you know, so list means that 2:24:58.560 --> 2:25:00.720 you know, people will iterate on thing pretty quickly. You know, 2:25:00.760 --> 2:25:04.880 it's very like fan fiction environment people will will iterate 2:25:05.280 --> 2:25:08.080 rather quickly on your ideas and develop them further. Um. 2:25:08.360 --> 2:25:10.760 And so I looked through some of the other games 2:25:10.800 --> 2:25:13.080 that I've played and liked, and uh, you know, I 2:25:13.520 --> 2:25:16.000 actually tend to like pretty much all the games that 2:25:16.080 --> 2:25:20.760 I studied. Uh, Splendor is the one that is very fun, 2:25:20.920 --> 2:25:23.600 very casual, very easy, and it just says this art 2:25:23.879 --> 2:25:26.800 that bugs me, this art that really bugs me, where 2:25:27.520 --> 2:25:29.840 it's about being a gem trader, and it's very much 2:25:29.879 --> 2:25:32.640 seems to be based on Renaissance Italy or like Renaissance 2:25:32.680 --> 2:25:38.520 on TWERP. You know this and m for some reason, 2:25:38.800 --> 2:25:43.680 like you don't see people in minds. It's very weird. 2:25:44.240 --> 2:25:46.560 All of the there will be pictures of minds. It's like, okay, 2:25:46.600 --> 2:25:49.680 you bought this emerald mind and there's like nobody there, 2:25:50.440 --> 2:25:52.560 which is very weird because I have seen pictures of 2:25:52.640 --> 2:25:55.320 pre industrial I've seen pictures of minds from the nineteen eighties, 2:25:55.400 --> 2:25:58.240 which is firmly industrial where there are thousands of people 2:25:58.760 --> 2:26:01.400 you can barely see the ground, you know, thousands of 2:26:01.440 --> 2:26:05.840 people everywhere. You know, mining is very labor intensive. Um. 2:26:06.200 --> 2:26:09.360 You only start seeing mining become kind of like capital intensive, 2:26:09.400 --> 2:26:11.360 like very recently, and even then only really in the 2:26:11.440 --> 2:26:14.120 United States and a couple of other countries. Germany obviously 2:26:14.200 --> 2:26:17.400 uses very capital intensive mining. Everywhere else it's very very 2:26:17.480 --> 2:26:20.840 labor intensive, but splendor. They won't show you the people 2:26:21.280 --> 2:26:23.320 doing the mining, but they will show you the people 2:26:23.400 --> 2:26:27.480 short uh sorting the gems, which is they're skipping the 2:26:28.320 --> 2:26:34.360 slavery part exactly, exactly the part there skipping. Yeah, even today, 2:26:34.440 --> 2:26:36.879 like you ignore what your how your cell phone is made, right, 2:26:36.959 --> 2:26:40.440 You're just like you're glossing over the unflattering parts and 2:26:41.160 --> 2:26:44.119 going straight to making a gym. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're 2:26:44.200 --> 2:26:45.960 you're going straight to you know, I've I've you know, 2:26:46.000 --> 2:26:48.120 I've got my my pretty purple cell phone, you know. 2:26:48.240 --> 2:26:55.640 And the the part where you know there was yeah, 2:26:55.720 --> 2:26:57.840 pretty much of war in the Congo fought over it 2:26:57.920 --> 2:27:00.360 and then they had to install suicide nets in China 2:27:01.240 --> 2:27:03.720 gets completely glossed over and that all that stuff goes 2:27:03.760 --> 2:27:07.240 into this phone. But uh, you know, to me, it's 2:27:07.280 --> 2:27:09.720 just kind of a necessary hunk of plastic and metal 2:27:09.840 --> 2:27:14.360 for surviving in America. Um, and I you know, I'm 2:27:14.400 --> 2:27:17.880 not entirely I don't want to be too hard on 2:27:17.959 --> 2:27:20.360 the designers here. It's very like there's a part of 2:27:20.400 --> 2:27:21.320 me that wants to me and there's a part of 2:27:21.400 --> 2:27:22.640 me that wants to be kind of forgiving and being 2:27:22.720 --> 2:27:24.360 like do you really want to be playing this like 2:27:24.480 --> 2:27:29.160 fun casual game and like be confronted with slavery? Uh 2:27:29.560 --> 2:27:34.640 But at the same time, like yeah, you you really 2:27:34.680 --> 2:27:36.440 try to have it both ways here, Like this is 2:27:36.840 --> 2:27:39.680 like I don't make the game about something actually fun, 2:27:40.040 --> 2:27:44.000 not yeah, not something that well. I mean there are 2:27:44.080 --> 2:27:45.120 there and there are people who do that. You know, 2:27:45.160 --> 2:27:47.119 It's like not that hard to find people like making 2:27:47.240 --> 2:27:52.120 games about like theme parks or like haunted houses or 2:27:52.840 --> 2:27:56.320 utopian or like like weird like utopian arcologies and stuff 2:27:56.360 --> 2:27:59.440 like that. Like people make these things. But like so this, 2:28:00.080 --> 2:28:03.560 this colonialism keeps on like coming back, and part of that, 2:28:03.800 --> 2:28:05.360 you know, part of that is I guess, like all 2:28:05.400 --> 2:28:08.360 sci fi is kind of colonialist. But wait, before we go, 2:28:08.640 --> 2:28:12.280 do you know what else keeps coming back? You know what? 2:28:12.480 --> 2:28:17.200 Tell me what? Sure? You? Capitalism? It's time for an 2:28:17.200 --> 2:28:23.519 ad break and there's still more capitalism, but that capitalism, 2:28:24.280 --> 2:28:27.800 that's true, that's different capitalism. Yeah, right now we're we're 2:28:27.800 --> 2:28:31.280 in like more early capitalism. And uh so the the 2:28:32.200 --> 2:28:34.400 game that like really stuck in like for all the 2:28:34.480 --> 2:28:37.440 weirdest and uh, I might end up reading a quote 2:28:37.440 --> 2:28:40.520 out from here. I'm sorry for being an incredibly irritating 2:28:40.560 --> 2:28:43.600 person and doing that. As a game called Mombassa, um 2:28:44.240 --> 2:28:48.600 and uh, Mombassa is so aggressive about how colonialist it is. 2:28:48.680 --> 2:28:52.240 It is so so aggressive. The premise of the game 2:28:52.480 --> 2:28:57.440 is that you are adventurers in the Scramble for Africa 2:28:58.080 --> 2:29:00.600 and the goal is to be the player who retires 2:29:00.720 --> 2:29:07.440 the richest um. And the ways in which the mechanics 2:29:07.520 --> 2:29:10.880 of this game are messed up, uh, the part of 2:29:10.920 --> 2:29:13.080 the mechanics that I will say is genuinely clever. And 2:29:13.320 --> 2:29:15.680 if they hadn't made it about the Scramble for Africa, 2:29:15.720 --> 2:29:17.720 I would have like no, I would just be like, yeah, cool. 2:29:18.400 --> 2:29:20.400 So I still have to admit that this is This 2:29:20.560 --> 2:29:22.800 is cool. Is that you start out working for a 2:29:22.840 --> 2:29:25.640 different joint stock company, but anybody can buy shares in 2:29:25.720 --> 2:29:30.120 anybody else's joint stock company. So the best strategy is 2:29:30.200 --> 2:29:32.680 to buy somebody else's company and then they make the 2:29:32.720 --> 2:29:35.840 company valuable and you contribute as little as possible. Free 2:29:35.920 --> 2:29:38.120 rider problem. You know the classic of game theory that 2:29:38.520 --> 2:29:42.400 the liberal economists fucking love talking about Uh, great thing 2:29:42.440 --> 2:29:44.480 to do with the game. But the way you make 2:29:44.520 --> 2:29:49.040 your company valuable is like it's it's pillaging Africa. Like 2:29:49.480 --> 2:29:52.560 it's pillaging Africa, and it's it's very very weird. Like 2:29:52.720 --> 2:29:55.640 there's do you have this map of Africa in front 2:29:55.680 --> 2:29:58.800 of you, and the map of Africa has valuable things 2:29:58.840 --> 2:30:00.920 in it has you know, dime that you can pick up. 2:30:01.720 --> 2:30:04.960 It has Like there are books, which is unclear if 2:30:05.000 --> 2:30:07.480 that represents, like you write an adventure novel like King 2:30:07.560 --> 2:30:11.400 Solomon's Minds, or you write a naturalist guide, or you 2:30:11.520 --> 2:30:13.520 write an ethnography, but you're writing some sort of book 2:30:13.920 --> 2:30:19.040 is based on how you despoiled the African continent. Uh. 2:30:20.080 --> 2:30:22.920 And what what always struck me as so weird is 2:30:23.040 --> 2:30:27.720 that the territory is just when you enter the territory, 2:30:27.760 --> 2:30:30.000 you just take everything. You just you just pillage it. 2:30:30.520 --> 2:30:32.200 It's not like territory that you hold and really make 2:30:32.280 --> 2:30:35.000 more productive. You don't develop it. There's at least it's 2:30:35.040 --> 2:30:37.120 honest about that to a certain extent. At least it's 2:30:37.160 --> 2:30:40.120 honest that like the Europeans were lying about any of 2:30:40.200 --> 2:30:42.480 that development civilizing mission ship, like that they were there 2:30:42.520 --> 2:30:47.360 to steal um and but what is so so weird 2:30:47.400 --> 2:30:50.040 to me about it is that like there's there's no resistance, 2:30:51.640 --> 2:30:55.879 there's no risk to expanding across the continent, there's no negotiation. 2:30:56.400 --> 2:31:00.879 The only other characters at all are the other players, 2:31:01.080 --> 2:31:05.440 other Europeans. Uh. You know this continent that at the 2:31:05.480 --> 2:31:08.760 time had hundreds of millions of people, uh, many of 2:31:08.800 --> 2:31:12.360 whom had legitimate kingdoms, that in some parts of Africa 2:31:12.400 --> 2:31:17.560 where you know, had full gunpowder militaries just totally glossed over, 2:31:18.160 --> 2:31:22.240 just totally not not mechanically represented at all. Um Well, 2:31:22.720 --> 2:31:26.400 it's like they're only they're portraying the only future that 2:31:26.480 --> 2:31:28.800 that is possible. Like you know what I mean, this 2:31:28.920 --> 2:31:32.480 is how you become a civilization. There's no other that 2:31:32.600 --> 2:31:38.840 there's one path. Um well, I mean it is. There 2:31:38.959 --> 2:31:41.520 is one path to being a civilization, and it does 2:31:41.600 --> 2:31:44.720 involve a lot of taking other people ship. To be fair, No, 2:31:44.879 --> 2:31:48.800 I said that ironically, Robert, I know, I said in 2:31:48.920 --> 2:31:53.040 their mind there is one path. Yes, But I do 2:31:53.160 --> 2:31:54.560 feel like I've got to read this out from the 2:31:54.640 --> 2:31:56.400 rule book because it was like so hypopic to me. 2:31:56.480 --> 2:31:58.120 This is this is from the rule book. This is 2:31:58.200 --> 2:32:02.000 the start of the rule book the opening quote. In Mombassa, 2:32:02.320 --> 2:32:05.360 players acquire shares of chartered companies based in Mombassa, Cape 2:32:05.400 --> 2:32:07.600 Town St. Louis and Cairo and spread their tailing paths 2:32:07.720 --> 2:32:09.840 throughout the African content in order to earn the most money. 2:32:10.600 --> 2:32:14.160 Chartered companies were associations formed for the purpose of exploration, trade, 2:32:14.160 --> 2:32:17.640 and colonization, which links them inextricably to a very dark 2:32:17.680 --> 2:32:21.840 shapter in human history, global colonialism. This period rough lasted 2:32:21.920 --> 2:32:23.400 roughly from the fifteenth century to the middle of the 2:32:23.400 --> 2:32:27.000 twentieth century and is associated with exploitation and slavery. Although 2:32:27.080 --> 2:32:29.680 Mombasa is loosely set within this timeframe, it is not 2:32:29.800 --> 2:32:32.600 a historical simulation. Is a strategy game with an economic 2:32:32.680 --> 2:32:36.440 focus that roughly refers to historical categories and places them 2:32:36.440 --> 2:32:39.720 in a fictional setting. The exploitation of the African continent 2:32:39.840 --> 2:32:43.360 and its people is not explicitly depicted within the gameplay. 2:32:43.920 --> 2:32:46.120 If you want to learn more about the underlying history, 2:32:46.160 --> 2:32:48.400 we recommend the following read History of Modern Africa Each 2:32:48.520 --> 2:32:51.720 hundred de pressent by Richard J. Reid uh End quote. 2:32:51.959 --> 2:32:54.120 So they fucking new, but like they fucking knew that 2:32:54.240 --> 2:32:57.119 this was some evil evil ship that they have made 2:32:57.160 --> 2:32:59.400 into a game, and they want you to know that 2:32:59.480 --> 2:33:01.840 they knew that you that you were going to call it. 2:33:02.840 --> 2:33:05.520 It's like making like a candy Land version set in 2:33:05.600 --> 2:33:07.880 the Congo where you have to call up hands or 2:33:07.959 --> 2:33:14.320 rubber and being like, yeah, you can read a book 2:33:14.360 --> 2:33:18.520 about this if you want. Yeah, this is like it's 2:33:18.560 --> 2:33:22.480 such a cop out. It's like it's so bizarre, Like 2:33:23.320 --> 2:33:25.680 it's so bizarry not how many people even read this stuff, 2:33:25.760 --> 2:33:28.360 like like generously. One person I've ever before reads the 2:33:28.440 --> 2:33:30.200 rule book when you're wearing a board game, like like 2:33:30.360 --> 2:33:34.560 very generously. Like I'm just a huge nerd who likes 2:33:34.600 --> 2:33:36.240 reading this stuff, and I would just like read this 2:33:36.320 --> 2:33:41.840 in my jaw, was just like, holy shit, I think 2:33:41.879 --> 2:33:44.800 you could try. It might even be wisdom and trying 2:33:44.879 --> 2:33:47.080 to like make a board game about the Scramble for 2:33:47.200 --> 2:33:51.320 Africa that's like framed in like a kid friendly way, 2:33:51.560 --> 2:33:55.520 but is also like very blatantly horrific. It's just like 2:33:56.200 --> 2:33:57.800 the kind of thing that if you think about it 2:33:57.879 --> 2:34:00.960 ten seconds, I was like, Oh, we're just like subjugating 2:34:01.000 --> 2:34:04.200 and massacreing people. But it's also like the the art 2:34:04.280 --> 2:34:06.200 style is like themed off of Candy land or some 2:34:06.320 --> 2:34:10.040 sort of ship like maybe, but even then you're probably 2:34:10.120 --> 2:34:12.840 more likely to just get people enjoying it on ironically 2:34:12.920 --> 2:34:15.440 than you are to actually convince anybody to read about 2:34:15.440 --> 2:34:18.560 the Scramble for Africa. Well yeah, yeah, I mean, and 2:34:18.959 --> 2:34:21.040 well it's actually kind of interesting because there's there's like 2:34:21.160 --> 2:34:24.120 a good tradition of like making like kid friendly appearing 2:34:24.320 --> 2:34:26.720 things that are actually quite horrifying if you think about 2:34:26.760 --> 2:34:30.480 them more than two seconds. And yeah, well Monopoly for example. 2:34:30.520 --> 2:34:31.680 And I mean I was going to take a slight 2:34:31.720 --> 2:34:34.640 turn away from board games. I grew up with red 2:34:34.840 --> 2:34:38.920 the Red Wall books. Yes, yeah, the Red Wall books. 2:34:39.080 --> 2:34:43.400 Like even though like stoats are not a race of 2:34:43.520 --> 2:34:46.840 people in real life, they are a type of weasel. Uh, 2:34:47.160 --> 2:34:50.880 holy ship, those books managed to be incredibly racist. It 2:34:50.959 --> 2:34:54.480 really is racist against like different types of weasel. But uh, 2:34:54.840 --> 2:34:57.280 you know, they portrayed this this very cute, cie world 2:34:57.560 --> 2:35:00.880 of you know, animals, you know, malise and badgers and stuff, 2:35:01.040 --> 2:35:04.400 and they're just committing genocide left and right. It's just 2:35:04.440 --> 2:35:07.640 portrayed is like totally okay, it's just like someone who 2:35:07.680 --> 2:35:11.440 has no idea what you're talking about. This is crazy. Yeah, 2:35:12.160 --> 2:35:14.680 he's popular children's series and like the eighties and nineties, 2:35:14.879 --> 2:35:16.880 you know, I read this books. It was like, yeah, 2:35:16.879 --> 2:35:19.360 it's like you flipped back and forth between like, yeah, 2:35:19.440 --> 2:35:21.720 here is Martin the mouse, and he's the hero, and 2:35:21.760 --> 2:35:23.720 also he's eating all of this really nice food and 2:35:23.800 --> 2:35:30.440 then also we must exterminate like entire species. It's buck wild. 2:35:31.040 --> 2:35:33.920 It is insane. Uh. The Red Wall Feast Spot, by 2:35:33.959 --> 2:35:36.840 the way, it's like a really good Twitter follow. We're 2:35:36.920 --> 2:35:40.760 just post excerpts from the food descriptions. Those are incredible. Um. 2:35:41.200 --> 2:35:42.879 But the reason why I kind of made that turn 2:35:43.040 --> 2:35:44.960 is that one of the games I considered that I 2:35:45.000 --> 2:35:47.760 actually really liked is uh something of a post something 2:35:47.800 --> 2:35:50.400 of an anti colonial game called Root. Uh. And this 2:35:50.520 --> 2:35:52.360 is part of the part of what I was kind 2:35:52.400 --> 2:35:54.520 of witnessing over as I was studying these is that 2:35:54.879 --> 2:35:57.560 there is a bit of a discourse, a bit of 2:35:57.640 --> 2:36:01.360 a development over time. Uh. And Uh. Two of the 2:36:01.400 --> 2:36:04.640 games that I highlighted, Root and Spirit Island are kind 2:36:04.680 --> 2:36:07.640 of are are fairly anti colonial. And Root is a 2:36:07.720 --> 2:36:11.439 kind of horrifying game but with very cute see appearances. 2:36:11.520 --> 2:36:14.200 You know, you play as like mice and cats and 2:36:15.000 --> 2:36:21.720 and birds. Uh. And the birds are like like horrifying aristocrats. Uh, 2:36:22.080 --> 2:36:27.240 like like you're like a feudal military dictatorship. The cats 2:36:27.320 --> 2:36:29.120 are like trying to turn the entire force into like 2:36:29.160 --> 2:36:32.760 a giant woodcutting factory and like subjugate everybody else under 2:36:32.760 --> 2:36:35.920 the boot heel of like industrial capitalism. And you can 2:36:36.000 --> 2:36:41.480 play as just like the concept of revolution, I guess, 2:36:41.520 --> 2:36:46.119 like like there's a woodlanda lions who win the game 2:36:46.200 --> 2:36:50.480 by like provoking revolts of the civilian population to overthrow 2:36:50.560 --> 2:36:53.800 the other two. Uh. It's it's very weird. It's a 2:36:53.920 --> 2:36:56.760 very very violent game by by comparison, it's very hard 2:36:56.800 --> 2:36:58.280 to lend a player in it. But it was kind 2:36:58.320 --> 2:37:01.280 of interesting to me to see that like you can do. 2:37:01.480 --> 2:37:03.880 It's kind of almost see the exact opposite where it's 2:37:04.080 --> 2:37:08.560 like a lot of like it doesn't have. It has 2:37:08.600 --> 2:37:13.680 this very obviously horrifying and graphically violent mechanics, uh you know, 2:37:13.879 --> 2:37:20.360 revolutions and subjugation, but with like the characters look cute, 2:37:21.000 --> 2:37:23.879 like all the all the character art is very cute. Um, 2:37:24.320 --> 2:37:27.400 you know, you've got like a little mice like making 2:37:27.440 --> 2:37:32.480 pungi traps and stuff in the It's very odd. Yeah, 2:37:32.480 --> 2:37:35.959 I kinda, I kinda jumped a little bit ahead here, 2:37:36.280 --> 2:37:37.760 but I don't know that we need to go through 2:37:37.879 --> 2:37:39.800 the everything I did in this in this paper that's 2:37:39.800 --> 2:37:41.360 a little bit boring, and also we need to leave 2:37:41.400 --> 2:37:44.680 thanks for the readers. And actually Root is UH a 2:37:44.760 --> 2:37:47.120 little bit based on a game series that I think 2:37:47.440 --> 2:37:51.360 would be particularly appealing to UH, to Robert Uh and 2:37:51.640 --> 2:37:56.600 possibly the listeners. There's a company called GMT Games. Anybody 2:37:56.600 --> 2:38:00.240 else heard of them? These guys are interesting. Could to you? 2:38:02.600 --> 2:38:07.480 Gim T Games make games like Kuba Libre, a four 2:38:07.560 --> 2:38:13.320 player asymmetric warfare about the Cuban revolution UM, and a 2:38:13.400 --> 2:38:17.360 couple of ways, yes, yes, multiple. I one once as 2:38:17.400 --> 2:38:22.560 the Mafia, which was an interesting side to play in UM, 2:38:23.320 --> 2:38:26.320 an interesting and interesting series of interest to have. You know, 2:38:26.360 --> 2:38:28.800 I could not build an army for ship. I just 2:38:28.879 --> 2:38:30.440 had to count in the fact that other people didn't 2:38:30.440 --> 2:38:32.680 think it was worth destroying casinos because they're too busy 2:38:32.720 --> 2:38:37.439 trying to stamp out revolutionaries UM and or their revolutionaries 2:38:37.440 --> 2:38:42.320 trying to stamp out fascists. And it was a they're 2:38:42.400 --> 2:38:44.240 a very The reason why I think they're very weird 2:38:44.520 --> 2:38:46.039 company is that, you know, I think they're they all 2:38:46.080 --> 2:38:49.160 games like Cuba libre Twilight Struggle A Distant Plane, which 2:38:49.160 --> 2:38:51.880 is about the war in Afghanistan. But they also are 2:38:52.240 --> 2:38:57.640 like these guys are like Quantico psychos. Uh. They actually 2:38:57.840 --> 2:39:00.960 they are the guys who make the actual four war 2:39:01.080 --> 2:39:04.920 games that the Pentagon. Yeah yeah, Quantico, if you're not 2:39:05.120 --> 2:39:08.279 up on things, is like the part of the Virginia 2:39:08.400 --> 2:39:11.600 area kind of a suburb of d C where all 2:39:11.720 --> 2:39:14.880 of the all of like the Fed FEDS live. Like 2:39:14.959 --> 2:39:18.640 I'm not talking about like border patrol FEDS or ship. 2:39:18.760 --> 2:39:24.520 I'm talking like, uh fucking CIA, motherfucker's Capital f Feds. Yeah. 2:39:24.680 --> 2:39:27.760 Isn't the CIA is like training facility there, Yes, they have, 2:39:29.360 --> 2:39:32.080 and I think the FBI also has a facility in quantity, 2:39:33.240 --> 2:39:38.280 the Capital f FEDS agents are there. Yeah. Yeah. Don 2:39:38.400 --> 2:39:41.760 don't think of like like your ocean inspectors here. Yeah, 2:39:42.879 --> 2:39:45.160 I mean look well and also just like we're not 2:39:45.280 --> 2:39:47.640 primarily talking about like the door kickers, We're talking about 2:39:47.640 --> 2:39:50.840 the people who are like the doing the really scary ship. 2:39:51.080 --> 2:39:53.840 You know. I will say, though, if if we gave 2:39:53.920 --> 2:39:56.560 Osha like CIA powers, the world would be in an 2:39:56.600 --> 2:39:59.080 obviously better place. I think we hand them the nukes. 2:39:59.680 --> 2:40:01.560 I think we hand them the nukes and a mandate 2:40:01.680 --> 2:40:06.200 to use them if security procedures aren't followed. Not cleaning 2:40:06.240 --> 2:40:09.280 your counter after using chicken, that's the end of Detroit. 2:40:09.640 --> 2:40:13.840 You know, there goes San Francisco. Uh, you didn't clean 2:40:14.080 --> 2:40:17.400 your food cart well enough, you know, pretty soon, collective 2:40:17.400 --> 2:40:21.039 of punishment, but just for workplace violations. Yeah, collective punishment 2:40:21.120 --> 2:40:25.039 for like basic sanitation violations. I mean, in a way, 2:40:25.480 --> 2:40:28.640 not following sanitation does lead to collective punishment, whether or 2:40:28.680 --> 2:40:30.240 not you have a federal enforcement for it or not. 2:40:30.600 --> 2:40:35.160 That's right, he's the deployment of our nation's nuclear assets. Uh. 2:40:35.520 --> 2:40:39.600 Do you know what else is collective punishment? Capitalism? Yes, 2:40:41.040 --> 2:40:45.279 listening to ads? Yeah, so let's all endure it together. 2:40:46.440 --> 2:40:52.160 We've been collectively punished, solidarities, all all, all of us 2:40:52.200 --> 2:40:59.240 who must endure advertising? Yes, Um, yes, I have been, 2:40:59.520 --> 2:41:03.720 I've been, I'm long a lot and um yeah, Like 2:41:03.800 --> 2:41:06.120 I said, I find this, this question of who gets 2:41:06.160 --> 2:41:09.440 to be an agent to be very important. Who who 2:41:09.480 --> 2:41:12.160 gets to be a player? Who is even given the 2:41:12.280 --> 2:41:15.320 choice of winning? You know if if you're not a player, 2:41:15.400 --> 2:41:18.720 you're completely written off from the possibility of ever winning. Um. 2:41:19.280 --> 2:41:21.680 And you know this is something that like in in 2:41:21.800 --> 2:41:23.840 video games. We've seen recurring debates around this, you know, 2:41:23.920 --> 2:41:25.840 like civilization is an infamous one for this. You know, 2:41:25.879 --> 2:41:28.760 who even gets to be a civilization? Um? Why are 2:41:28.840 --> 2:41:34.600 some civilizations civilizations and some city states and some barbarians? Um? 2:41:35.320 --> 2:41:41.280 And you know it does, uh, you know, it does 2:41:41.360 --> 2:41:44.360 shape your thinking, you know. And there's there's games are 2:41:44.520 --> 2:41:48.080 very valuable for how they create empathy. You know, a 2:41:48.200 --> 2:41:52.040 game that can really immerse you can really teach you 2:41:52.080 --> 2:41:55.199 a lot of very creative and powerful empathy for groups 2:41:55.240 --> 2:41:57.000 of people that you might never have the chance to 2:41:57.040 --> 2:41:59.960 interact with. Ah. And then when you keep on create 2:42:00.000 --> 2:42:02.240 in games that ask you to empathize with the colonizers. 2:42:02.879 --> 2:42:06.520 Mm hmm. Yeah, you think it's just the normal way 2:42:06.560 --> 2:42:08.960 of things. This is what this is what happens. This 2:42:09.040 --> 2:42:12.720 is the succession of events that leads to humans. Yeah, 2:42:12.720 --> 2:42:14.800 this session of events the leads the humans. Those who 2:42:14.840 --> 2:42:20.560 do not participate simply die out. Uh. This iswashing? Yeah, yeah, 2:42:20.680 --> 2:42:22.200 yeah it is, it is. And I mean it's it's 2:42:22.440 --> 2:42:24.280 you know, you can the same could be said of 2:42:24.320 --> 2:42:27.560 all culture. But you know, I think it's worth being 2:42:27.879 --> 2:42:32.240 um informed in critical consumers. UM. And I mean I 2:42:32.760 --> 2:42:35.480 actually do you know. I actually you know, I know 2:42:35.560 --> 2:42:37.080 that you want this to be an uplifting episode. And 2:42:37.080 --> 2:42:40.360 I'm going to be optimistic here, I I you know, 2:42:40.440 --> 2:42:42.520 it's not just that we're talking about software. The stakes 2:42:42.560 --> 2:42:44.520 are not literal deaths. The stakes are you know, getting 2:42:44.520 --> 2:42:48.760 mad at your friends over aboard game. But also I 2:42:48.840 --> 2:42:52.640 do think that, uh, we have seen positive development of 2:42:52.720 --> 2:42:55.280 people taking of people looking at these games. You know, 2:42:55.640 --> 2:42:58.760 there's a game developer who said about some of the games, 2:42:58.800 --> 2:43:01.520 who was playing, what what do the locals think about 2:43:01.560 --> 2:43:05.720 these colonizers? Like, it's pretty rude that nobody's asking them, 2:43:06.320 --> 2:43:08.920 and tried to design starting from there. And I have 2:43:09.080 --> 2:43:12.520 some criticisms of how he executed that, how well he 2:43:12.560 --> 2:43:16.760 executed on that visions. But the fact of matter is 2:43:16.840 --> 2:43:21.240 is that even just through the sheer iteration of somebody 2:43:21.320 --> 2:43:23.160 looking at a game like Settlers of Katan and going, well, 2:43:23.200 --> 2:43:26.920 how can I do this difference? You know, I can't 2:43:26.959 --> 2:43:29.520 just release the same game every single year. I I 2:43:29.680 --> 2:43:31.720 need to do something new, and even just a simple 2:43:31.760 --> 2:43:35.160 one of just reversing who is the players? Simple enough, 2:43:35.520 --> 2:43:38.480 even that has been creating some iteration in some some 2:43:38.560 --> 2:43:41.520 additional complexity which and and has caused people. I have 2:43:41.600 --> 2:43:43.959 seen people, you know, go back and re examine, even 2:43:44.000 --> 2:43:46.720 if they're not people who have any sort of like education, 2:43:47.200 --> 2:43:50.280 any sort of formal education in anthropology of post corneal theory, 2:43:50.280 --> 2:43:52.440 they will they'll look at like, oh, yeah, I was 2:43:52.520 --> 2:43:54.400 playing this game where you're the colonize and I played 2:43:54.440 --> 2:43:55.960 this other game where they reversed the roles, and I 2:43:56.040 --> 2:44:03.200 was like, that was the bad guys earlier. Yeah, I 2:44:03.280 --> 2:44:07.199 mean I think portray the other side and maybe winning 2:44:07.320 --> 2:44:10.640 means you kick them out or or destroy them. I 2:44:10.680 --> 2:44:14.440 would like to see that play out versus that is 2:44:14.440 --> 2:44:16.280 Spirit Island. That is what Spirit Island is, that the 2:44:16.320 --> 2:44:20.240 players cooperate to destroy the colonizers or to terrorize them 2:44:20.280 --> 2:44:24.920 into abandoning the island. Uh. Weird game. Weird game. I 2:44:25.040 --> 2:44:27.000 have some I think there's some good execution. There is 2:44:27.040 --> 2:44:28.720 some critics and I've got some criticisms of it is 2:44:28.760 --> 2:44:30.880 my favorite, but it does do some things a little 2:44:30.879 --> 2:44:36.400 bit well patronizing. But um but yeah, like yeah, like 2:44:36.480 --> 2:44:38.160 that's that's something I think is worth seeing and uh, 2:44:38.800 --> 2:44:42.000 and I think it's something that um admittedly, maybe I 2:44:42.240 --> 2:44:44.800 just really enjoyed the space of the world because you know, 2:44:44.879 --> 2:44:49.000 if you look at very mainstream video games, for example, 2:44:49.920 --> 2:44:51.720 kind of bored of the same, like five feeling the 2:44:51.760 --> 2:44:54.240 same five games get released every year, you know, there's 2:44:54.280 --> 2:44:57.720 some texture, Give me something new. But um, also, I 2:44:58.120 --> 2:45:02.360 think that U I think that the I think there's 2:45:02.400 --> 2:45:05.040 some cost for optimism for people like critically examining the 2:45:05.200 --> 2:45:07.680 art that they're building, the art that they're consuming, in 2:45:07.680 --> 2:45:11.200 the art that they're creating. And I don't know that 2:45:11.280 --> 2:45:15.800 counting on that kind of stochastic, bouncy ball randomness of 2:45:16.200 --> 2:45:19.760 people just kind of spontaneously going what if we what 2:45:19.879 --> 2:45:22.960 if we uh played what if we reverse the roles 2:45:23.000 --> 2:45:24.600 in Call of Duty? You know what if we played 2:45:25.200 --> 2:45:27.480 the people living in the fafalo Well, Call of Duty 2:45:27.560 --> 2:45:29.880 is happening on in the background, just kind of on, 2:45:29.920 --> 2:45:32.560 like the randomness of that happening. Uh might not be 2:45:32.800 --> 2:45:36.520 as fast as people want. I wish, I wish. Oh yeah. Yeah. 2:45:37.040 --> 2:45:38.320 There was a game called I think it was I 2:45:38.360 --> 2:45:42.800 think it was called This Is War. Maybe it's called 2:45:42.959 --> 2:45:44.680 This War of Mine. That's what it was. That's a 2:45:44.760 --> 2:45:50.039 good game. That's a really well done game. Yeah. Yeah, 2:45:50.080 --> 2:45:53.360 And there's I'm I'm I don't know. I'm excited to 2:45:53.360 --> 2:45:55.680 see the future of all this stuff and excited to 2:45:55.760 --> 2:45:59.000 see where people go with this. Well, Chris, I have 2:45:59.080 --> 2:46:02.560 a question, I did you decide to even bring on Kyle? 2:46:02.680 --> 2:46:04.520 Like what do you what? What is it about this 2:46:04.720 --> 2:46:09.600 topic that you think is prevalent today? What? What what 2:46:09.720 --> 2:46:13.320 can we take away from this? Well? I think I 2:46:13.360 --> 2:46:15.000 don't know. I think one of the things that I 2:46:15.080 --> 2:46:19.200 got was reading the article is about like one of 2:46:19.280 --> 2:46:23.000 the ways, like one of the things you see in 2:46:25.360 --> 2:46:31.200 how settler colonialism gets perpetuated, and I think, um, why 2:46:31.240 --> 2:46:35.280 am I now forgetting the name of the Yeah, declonization 2:46:35.360 --> 2:46:37.039 is not a metaphor. It talks about this a lot, 2:46:37.160 --> 2:46:41.520 which yeah, I'll talk about that another time someday. But 2:46:41.680 --> 2:46:44.920 like one of the things that you get like immediately 2:46:45.080 --> 2:46:47.360 is the sort of is that the settler move to innocence? 2:46:48.560 --> 2:46:51.160 And that strikes me as like the sort of it's 2:46:51.200 --> 2:46:55.680 the kind of like it's it's it's the kind of 2:46:55.800 --> 2:46:58.520 perspective that you see, I think running across all of 2:46:58.600 --> 2:47:02.200 these board games, and I think it it is actually 2:47:02.280 --> 2:47:06.480 really helpful to sort of you know, like the way 2:47:06.560 --> 2:47:08.320 you break that and then the way you start to 2:47:08.360 --> 2:47:10.960 get actually it actually looks like the colonization. It has 2:47:11.040 --> 2:47:14.600 to start with people like actually like realizing what they're 2:47:14.640 --> 2:47:17.000 doing and not being able to sort of like retreat 2:47:17.040 --> 2:47:18.920 to this position of innocence and being sort of confronted 2:47:18.959 --> 2:47:21.360 by it. And I think that like that that is 2:47:21.400 --> 2:47:24.160 a place where media could actually like be very helpful 2:47:24.280 --> 2:47:27.520 because you know, like most and most mostly like it's 2:47:27.560 --> 2:47:30.040 it's it's it's almost always working in the opposite direction, right, 2:47:30.959 --> 2:47:34.400 But it's something where you can actually have this sort 2:47:34.440 --> 2:47:37.760 of I don't know, it's it's a part of the 2:47:37.760 --> 2:47:41.920 cultural spirit where you could like very like very easily 2:47:42.000 --> 2:47:44.280 put someone into a role that is not the one 2:47:44.360 --> 2:47:47.240 that they're normally doing and get them to like realize 2:47:47.280 --> 2:47:53.960 that like what they're doing is like fucked. So yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:47:54.000 --> 2:47:55.880 I mean I could say the first when I was 2:47:55.920 --> 2:47:58.240 in high school and played playing Sellers of Katan for 2:47:58.280 --> 2:48:00.680 the first time, I didn't realize the like it took 2:48:00.760 --> 2:48:03.840 me a while to understand that, like, oh I'm a 2:48:03.920 --> 2:48:10.320 colonial list yeah, territory. Uh, And well because they yeah, 2:48:10.400 --> 2:48:12.920 they present it as default innocence and also just like 2:48:13.720 --> 2:48:17.680 exciting too. There's no there's no backstory to how you 2:48:17.720 --> 2:48:20.039 get the wood or the ore or or anything else. 2:48:20.080 --> 2:48:22.000 You just like somehow build a road, you somehow have 2:48:22.200 --> 2:48:26.320 a town. There is no backstory as to who you're 2:48:26.360 --> 2:48:30.680 destroying in the process. And I think it infiltrates in 2:48:30.760 --> 2:48:33.560 your mind to the point where you subconsciously just deemed 2:48:33.640 --> 2:48:37.400 that as normal. And it's it's definitely not unique, you know, 2:48:37.440 --> 2:48:40.840 it's definitely like it's only just another tendril of reinforcing 2:48:40.879 --> 2:48:42.600 stuff that we hear from the rest of our culture 2:48:43.000 --> 2:48:45.800 so broadly, you know that. Then it's it's just this 2:48:45.959 --> 2:48:49.240 is just one aspect, one expression, I should say, of 2:48:50.200 --> 2:48:53.720 how many millions of different ways we get colonialism reinforced 2:48:53.720 --> 2:48:57.200 to us as a normal, natural part of the world. 2:48:57.560 --> 2:49:03.600 And uh, and you know, from you know, cowboy movies 2:49:04.000 --> 2:49:07.440 to uh to just like the way the New York 2:49:07.520 --> 2:49:10.600 Times will write about who owns land and who's who 2:49:10.680 --> 2:49:12.760 has a who has a viable claim on owning a 2:49:12.800 --> 2:49:16.600 piece of land? Uh, all of that you know, we 2:49:16.680 --> 2:49:19.680 get reinforced was in our fiction are nonfiction every day? Um. 2:49:20.120 --> 2:49:21.600 I guess again that's part of I guess why I 2:49:21.640 --> 2:49:23.680 was drawn to board games in particular for this, because 2:49:23.720 --> 2:49:27.440 it's so transparent, you know, it's so transparent, how all 2:49:27.520 --> 2:49:30.720 how the all the propaganda works like it's not there's 2:49:30.760 --> 2:49:36.680 no movie magic. Yeah, yeah, the rules are all there. 2:49:36.720 --> 2:49:40.840 It's it's pretty much. I don't know, but yeah, but 2:49:40.920 --> 2:49:44.080 you you sympathized with and I didn't know you empathize 2:49:44.120 --> 2:49:47.160 with the colonizer because there who you're who you are. Yeah, 2:49:47.200 --> 2:49:49.440 you want to win, you want to win, you want 2:49:49.480 --> 2:49:55.000 to win. I'm very competitive. You want to win. Um 2:49:55.800 --> 2:49:57.960 and and uh and you know, and they get to 2:49:58.080 --> 2:49:59.800 and the people who may get to have this kind 2:49:59.840 --> 2:50:02.000 of like this course that this kind of badge of 2:50:02.160 --> 2:50:04.119 like oh yeah, we made like the friendly board game. 2:50:04.160 --> 2:50:06.600 You know, they're comparing themselves to you know, making Monopoly, 2:50:06.720 --> 2:50:09.520 where like there's like a chance of a divorce happening 2:50:09.560 --> 2:50:12.200 every time somebody finishes the game of Monopoly. Uh. And 2:50:12.640 --> 2:50:14.680 you know, they get to pursue themselves as the nice ones. 2:50:14.760 --> 2:50:17.200 And it's like, yeah, we're the nice ones because all 2:50:17.240 --> 2:50:19.520 the people who were being mean to don't get a 2:50:19.560 --> 2:50:22.040 voice at all. I just can't believe we made a 2:50:22.080 --> 2:50:26.080 game about paying rent, Like I really cannot believe that. 2:50:26.800 --> 2:50:31.000 I history because it's very funny. I skimmed in your 2:50:31.240 --> 2:50:33.680 in your articles like about it a little bit. But 2:50:33.760 --> 2:50:35.680 it was called something that was much more to the point, 2:50:35.720 --> 2:50:41.400 what was it called The Landlord's Game? Excuse me, yeah, 2:50:41.480 --> 2:50:46.920 the landlords Game by Elizabeth Maggie. She was a Georgist 2:50:47.000 --> 2:50:52.280 activist in the like early twentieth century. Close my mind, 2:50:52.560 --> 2:50:57.800 fucking George's and the whole. I mean, this monopoly monopoly 2:50:57.840 --> 2:51:00.480 being the most relevant contribution of George Is to world 2:51:00.600 --> 2:51:06.840 history is somehow incredibly fitting. Let's all away from it, 2:51:07.760 --> 2:51:11.440 brutal the number one selling economics book of American history. 2:51:11.879 --> 2:51:15.960 Because they're used to a very bad board game, I 2:51:16.000 --> 2:51:19.760 can't say it's unfair, and I guess that that's really 2:51:19.800 --> 2:51:21.520 what I've got is that like it's I think it's 2:51:21.520 --> 2:51:24.080 still I think it's very valuable to UM be a 2:51:24.160 --> 2:51:30.080 critical consumer UM and UM one Boston maybe went over 2:51:30.120 --> 2:51:31.760 the line, But for the most part, these games haven't 2:51:31.760 --> 2:51:33.600 like ruined my ability to enjoy them. If my friends 2:51:33.600 --> 2:51:35.280 want to play a game SLT was on, they might 2:51:35.320 --> 2:51:37.560 just get an annoying lecture from me. But they're going 2:51:37.600 --> 2:51:39.200 to get annoying lecture from me anyway, it just would 2:51:39.200 --> 2:51:41.440 be about something else. I mean, it's like any media. 2:51:41.520 --> 2:51:43.840 It's like phil and TV or whatever. You're going to 2:51:43.959 --> 2:51:47.279 realize eventually that you should be conscious of what you're consuming. 2:51:48.600 --> 2:51:52.000 So yeah, I'll still get into arguments about all those things, 2:51:52.480 --> 2:51:57.119 except for except for podcasts. People should blindly consume our 2:51:57.200 --> 2:51:59.560 podcast I mean, I mean, yes, podcasts are the only 2:51:59.600 --> 2:52:02.320 true for was hearing an art form. That's right, that's right. 2:52:03.080 --> 2:52:06.480 As Karl Mark said, listen to this podcast like can 2:52:06.520 --> 2:52:10.720 the subscribe, share us on Facebook? And then and then 2:52:10.760 --> 2:52:14.480 eventually one day podcast will wither away into bolish itself. Yeah, 2:52:14.600 --> 2:52:20.680 that's right, that's right, classic Marxist podcast theory. That's right, 2:52:20.879 --> 2:52:25.360 that's right. Is that the episode Well, Kyle, where can 2:52:25.400 --> 2:52:29.600 people find you? Yes? I I personally am notoriously hard 2:52:29.640 --> 2:52:31.840 to find on the internet, being a person who doesn't 2:52:31.840 --> 2:52:37.000 have any social media whatsoever. Absolutely the right call. I 2:52:37.240 --> 2:52:39.760 I have been off of Twitter for a couple of days. 2:52:39.879 --> 2:52:43.200 I'm taking a break, and the best best decision you 2:52:43.240 --> 2:52:46.920 could make get away from all that. Our our publication 2:52:47.360 --> 2:52:51.760 is at Strange Matters dot co op. We worked hard 2:52:51.800 --> 2:52:54.480 to get that dot co op registration. Uh. We just 2:52:54.680 --> 2:52:59.520 published on Thursday a couple of days ago, Love as 2:52:59.560 --> 2:53:05.000 a Verb in article reviewing UH and um Extrand expanding 2:53:05.080 --> 2:53:08.000 the possibilities of bell Hooks all about Love two thousand 2:53:08.040 --> 2:53:10.840 books all about Love, which is worth reading both the 2:53:10.959 --> 2:53:12.880 both the review and the book. Yeah. I actually just 2:53:12.920 --> 2:53:17.000 finished it, um four hours ago. Yeah, I heard up 2:53:17.000 --> 2:53:19.720 for the first time during the pandemic. It was Yeah, 2:53:19.879 --> 2:53:22.360 it's in Lightning read, It's in Lightning read. Uh. We 2:53:22.680 --> 2:53:25.920 we tend to have a lot of really insane economics 2:53:25.920 --> 2:53:30.800 stuff if you want to like read some truly insane 2:53:30.920 --> 2:53:34.280 ship about money, about where money comes from and what 2:53:34.440 --> 2:53:37.760 money is and what we can do about money. Uh, 2:53:38.080 --> 2:53:41.560 we've oh boy, we've got you covered. Uh we have 2:53:42.240 --> 2:53:46.000 we have a profile of Roberts where we have rendered 2:53:46.080 --> 2:53:52.880 him as Baron Munchausen very flatteringly. Uh. A really wonderful 2:53:52.920 --> 2:53:55.680 review of three different cyberpunk works by the wonderful anti 2:53:55.760 --> 2:54:01.240 fascist author Elizabeth Sanderford. Um. Yeah, so come come check 2:54:01.320 --> 2:54:03.680 us out at Strange Matters dot co opt. H if 2:54:03.879 --> 2:54:07.280 for we are we are taking new writers all the time. Uh, 2:54:07.600 --> 2:54:10.560 and we've got submission gidelines on there. And uh, if 2:54:10.720 --> 2:54:15.040 you want to personally send me hate mail for besmirching 2:54:15.080 --> 2:54:17.680 the good honor of settlers of Katan, I can be 2:54:17.760 --> 2:54:22.039 reached at Kyle at Strange Matters dot co op. Yeah. Oh, 2:54:22.120 --> 2:54:23.960 and we do have a Twitter for the for the company? Yeah, 2:54:24.480 --> 2:54:27.360 what's your what's the Twitter for the company? It is 2:54:27.520 --> 2:54:32.800 Strange Underscore Matters perfectly, Thanks Kyle. Check out Strange Matters 2:54:33.760 --> 2:54:38.000 contribute to their fundraiser. I can't I can't recommend doing 2:54:38.040 --> 2:54:43.040 anything on Twitter, so I simply uh and thank you, 2:54:43.160 --> 2:54:44.760 thank you for having me on again. It's a it 2:54:44.879 --> 2:54:50.200 was a lovely time. Yeah, absolutely all right. Again, as 2:54:50.240 --> 2:55:08.600 as as with every episode, go with christ Hello, welcome 2:55:08.680 --> 2:55:11.840 to it could happen here. This is part two of 2:55:12.200 --> 2:55:16.200 I guess two part series about Dallas, Texas. Finally we're 2:55:16.240 --> 2:55:19.080 getting in a Dallas, Texas resident to refute some of 2:55:19.160 --> 2:55:26.600 this this slander. Sure my my, my flawless hometown. Uh 2:55:29.600 --> 2:55:32.920 briefly host to Bernie Sanders when he had to take 2:55:32.959 --> 2:55:37.080 care of something. I've spent a few summers in Dallas. 2:55:37.560 --> 2:55:41.400 I've I've been around it. Unfortunate, I've been around the 2:55:41.480 --> 2:55:45.880 DFW area. I wouldn't recommend spending summers in Dallas. Hold on, 2:55:46.000 --> 2:55:48.680 hold on, I wouldn't recommend spending winters in Dallas either. 2:55:48.760 --> 2:55:51.160 There's a couple of weeks in spring that it's tolerable 2:55:51.200 --> 2:55:55.960 to be in Dallas. Try to make it. Then it 2:55:56.040 --> 2:55:57.760 occurs to me that we should ask Garcy, where were 2:55:57.800 --> 2:56:02.160 you when they killed JFK? Are you was? I'm Garrison? 2:56:02.959 --> 2:56:05.240 I was. I was born in the twenty first century. 2:56:05.320 --> 2:56:09.240 What have you ever a man liquor carcano rifle in 2:56:09.360 --> 2:56:13.800 the back of American Rifleman magazine. Okay, let's let's open 2:56:14.160 --> 2:56:17.440 by by first briefly talking about the thirty one Dorky 2:56:17.520 --> 2:56:20.199 asked neo Nazis who got arrest in Idaho? We're playing 2:56:22.879 --> 2:56:26.120 and you want to talk about it? That's right, That 2:56:26.360 --> 2:56:29.560 is exactly why we've already done the episode. But I'm 2:56:29.560 --> 2:56:31.920 always down to talk about this. I know we just 2:56:32.040 --> 2:56:33.920 did an episode talking about it, but I wasn't on 2:56:34.120 --> 2:56:36.520 that one. So I have a few paragraphs on how 2:56:36.600 --> 2:56:40.320 it relates to today's topic of Christian fascist violence. I 2:56:40.440 --> 2:56:42.320 just want to state that you and I were both 2:56:42.360 --> 2:56:44.280 hanging out at a party when we got the news 2:56:44.320 --> 2:56:46.640 about that, and it is the hardest I've ever seen 2:56:46.680 --> 2:56:52.800 you laugh for like four hours. So hey, like Patriot 2:56:52.840 --> 2:56:56.280 Fronts based on a Texas so that that there is 2:56:56.280 --> 2:56:58.640 a degree of relevance here, yes to the bulk of 2:56:58.720 --> 2:57:01.520 our of our topic today. So yeah, I think it's 2:57:01.600 --> 2:57:06.000 pretty funny because the group fashions all dressed in the 2:57:06.120 --> 2:57:10.000 same outfit. It's almost incomprehensibly fun trade and sauna, so 2:57:10.160 --> 2:57:12.879 they wouldn't pass out well, crammed into a hot, sweaty 2:57:13.000 --> 2:57:16.280 U haul truck driving from all around the country to 2:57:16.560 --> 2:57:19.119 cord relate the Idaho so that they can march around 2:57:19.160 --> 2:57:22.560 with flags and shields to yell at gay and transcits, 2:57:24.280 --> 2:57:28.120 and you know what they did. Instead, They got filled 2:57:28.120 --> 2:57:30.240 over in stetain a ditch while getting their little clad 2:57:30.280 --> 2:57:32.760 hood masks taken off, and spent the rest of a 2:57:32.840 --> 2:57:37.440 day to Idaho jail. And I'll go talxt it's really funny, 2:57:38.480 --> 2:57:42.040 especially since again their best case scenario was spending a 2:57:42.160 --> 2:57:48.880 day free in quarterlin, Ida. I know. And it's so yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:57:48.879 --> 2:57:52.000 I'll be like, you can be against cops in the 2:57:52.120 --> 2:57:55.840 carstral system while still recognizing how innately a certain and 2:57:55.959 --> 2:58:02.800 hilarious supermarious like it's it's fine when cops in groups 2:58:02.840 --> 2:58:05.560 like Patriot Front beef that's generally a win win for me. 2:58:06.600 --> 2:58:10.240 I'm not cheering on police tactics, it's just it's just 2:58:10.360 --> 2:58:13.160 recognizing that one of my enemies temporarily making another of 2:58:13.240 --> 2:58:16.800 my enemies. Life's harder is pretty funny, It's really funny. 2:58:17.040 --> 2:58:19.400 It's it's the same reason that we don't condemn police 2:58:19.480 --> 2:58:24.120 violence when a cop shoots another cop like exactly like, 2:58:25.560 --> 2:58:28.600 likes and like. Based on these charges, I doubt any 2:58:28.640 --> 2:58:30.920 of these guys, in particular, we'll go to prison for 2:58:31.000 --> 2:58:33.400 long enough to form like any like dangerous connections with 2:58:33.440 --> 2:58:36.440 other InCAR straton people. Well, I'm sure there's a couple 2:58:36.480 --> 2:58:39.400 of dudes in there that, if you know, they were 2:58:39.480 --> 2:58:43.279 to go to a serious prison, could make meaningful inroads 2:58:43.320 --> 2:58:46.840 with the Nazis there. But man, most of those dudes 2:58:46.920 --> 2:58:49.720 Area Nations guys are just kind of like they're not 2:58:49.920 --> 2:58:55.880 going to consider comrades like the the Yeah, it's yeah, 2:58:55.959 --> 2:58:59.440 I think I think the Patriot Front Idaho situation seems 2:58:59.480 --> 2:59:01.440 like it will know to just been inconvenience and national 2:59:01.440 --> 2:59:03.520 embarrassment for them, And I think and I think we 2:59:03.920 --> 2:59:06.040 can we can let this one just be as funny 2:59:06.080 --> 2:59:09.240 as it is, considering there was thirty less Nazis there 2:59:09.320 --> 2:59:12.560 to intimidate and attack people at pride Um and Patriot 2:59:12.600 --> 2:59:14.560 Front maybe now less willing to pull stunts like this 2:59:14.640 --> 2:59:16.840 in the future. Yeah, I've thought about this a lot, 2:59:16.920 --> 2:59:18.800 and I just can't see anyways in which what has 2:59:18.800 --> 2:59:21.800 happened could really be a problem. Um. It seems to 2:59:21.920 --> 2:59:26.280 just purely be funny, so just enjoy it. Yeah. Look, 2:59:26.360 --> 2:59:29.279 look this, this is what happens when you appropriate lesbian culture. 2:59:30.080 --> 2:59:34.760 You get arrested. Actually, it's not all that different from 2:59:34.760 --> 2:59:41.080 what Garrison was saying immediately after the arrest. That is true. 2:59:41.120 --> 2:59:43.280 I made a lot of jokes about how Patriot Front 2:59:43.400 --> 2:59:49.039 looks pretty pretty gay while getting handcuffed. Get the shine 2:59:49.080 --> 2:59:54.760 the cancel radar, get the cancelometer out. We're canceling Garrison. Um. Anyway, 2:59:54.959 --> 2:59:58.320 let's let's continue with this episode. So here is some 2:59:58.440 --> 3:00:02.160 other fun facts about about the whole Idaho thing. So, 3:00:02.520 --> 3:00:04.920 two of the Patriot Front members who were crammed into 3:00:04.959 --> 3:00:08.120 that U haul last weekend, we're connected to a church 3:00:08.480 --> 3:00:11.880 helmed by former Washington state Representative Matt Shay, who is 3:00:11.879 --> 3:00:15.119 also associated with the Bundees, the Oath Keepers, and leads 3:00:15.160 --> 3:00:19.560 the church at Planned Parenthood. Uh. He has advocated like 3:00:19.920 --> 3:00:23.160 civil war if abortion and same sex marriage aren't stopped, 3:00:23.160 --> 3:00:25.480 to kill all the men in left wing cities, all 3:00:25.520 --> 3:00:27.920 that good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he was also 3:00:27.959 --> 3:00:30.640 present at the protesting cort alane at the Pride event 3:00:30.760 --> 3:00:34.160 this past weekend, and we can we can draw like 3:00:34.280 --> 3:00:36.960 this direct line from the surge of groomer and anti 3:00:37.040 --> 3:00:40.680 drag propaganda to neo Nazis deciding to organize and travel 3:00:40.760 --> 3:00:43.440 across straight lines to threaten people in a Pride event. 3:00:43.879 --> 3:00:46.240 In the days leading up to the event, Chaia right Check, 3:00:46.320 --> 3:00:49.840 the woman behind the Limbs of TikTok account, repeatedly highlighted 3:00:49.879 --> 3:00:53.880 it weaponizing pearl clutching Satanic panic. In right Check's first 3:00:53.959 --> 3:00:56.400 post about the Pride event, it was about how the 3:00:56.480 --> 3:00:59.720 Satanic Temple was promoting the event. In an Adelaide tweet 3:00:59.760 --> 3:01:03.400 by someone claiming to represent local Satanists on June seven, 3:01:03.560 --> 3:01:07.960 Lives of TikTok posted quote family friendly drag dance party 3:01:08.080 --> 3:01:11.360 being promoted by the Satanic Temple in Idaho. We are 3:01:11.440 --> 3:01:14.440 living in hell, which is a nice and I stop 3:01:14.520 --> 3:01:16.200 un there that. I can't quite tell if that was 3:01:16.280 --> 3:01:20.520 intentional or unintentional about Satanic Temple and living in hell. Anyway, 3:01:20.680 --> 3:01:23.560 I thought that was funny. Um Dave Riley, a white 3:01:23.560 --> 3:01:27.600 supremacist who attended the deadly Unite the Right rally and Charlottesville, 3:01:28.160 --> 3:01:32.600 who also organized with the Identity Europa a few years back. 3:01:32.840 --> 3:01:36.840 He actively solicited libs of TikTok to draw attention to 3:01:37.000 --> 3:01:39.600 the Pride event and sought her help in trying to 3:01:40.520 --> 3:01:45.120 like get publicity for the protests against it, Quoting the 3:01:45.280 --> 3:01:49.920 SPLC hate watch quote, the Idaho Tribune also due attention 3:01:49.959 --> 3:01:52.920 to it, Idaho Tribune far from a real newspaper, is 3:01:52.959 --> 3:01:56.160 to obscure junkan news publication that on multiple occasions has 3:01:56.200 --> 3:02:02.240 promoted Riley's political activism. Anti racist activists also tipped hate 3:02:02.280 --> 3:02:05.720 watch off to infrastructural overlap between a website that promotes 3:02:05.840 --> 3:02:09.400 Riley by name and Idaho Tribune. Hey Watch reviewed the 3:02:09.440 --> 3:02:12.359 source code for Dave Riley's website and the Idaho Tribune 3:02:12.400 --> 3:02:15.680 site and confirmed that the two sites share graphics from 3:02:15.720 --> 3:02:18.480 the same web hosting account, meaning that they are likely 3:02:18.520 --> 3:02:22.400 controlled by the same person unquote. And then on June nine, 3:02:22.600 --> 3:02:25.760 Lips of TikTok posted screenshots taken from the Idaho Tribune 3:02:25.920 --> 3:02:28.040 about the Satanic temple and the quarterly and Pride event, 3:02:28.360 --> 3:02:31.400 boosting content from that white supremacist linked to website to 3:02:31.480 --> 3:02:35.400 her one point two million followers. Every single one of 3:02:35.440 --> 3:02:39.920 these figures using fascist rhetoric at utilizing stochastic methods including 3:02:40.000 --> 3:02:43.240 Chia wit check, her financial backer Seth Dylan, and people 3:02:43.280 --> 3:02:47.000 like Tucker Carlson are all responsible for inciting events like this. 3:02:47.600 --> 3:02:50.480 Tucker led his show last week by using a Nazi 3:02:50.560 --> 3:02:54.280 reference when referring to a Pride event in Dallas in 3:02:54.400 --> 3:02:57.840 terms of stuff that's like outside of you know, conservative 3:02:57.879 --> 3:03:01.360 states like idahoor Texas. Uh. Late last month, right check 3:03:01.520 --> 3:03:05.119 as lips of TikTok targeted a Bay Area drag Queen 3:03:05.200 --> 3:03:07.800 storytime event, which is exactly what it sounds like. It's 3:03:07.879 --> 3:03:11.039 drag queen's reading children's books to kids in a public library. 3:03:11.440 --> 3:03:13.600 And then on June twelve, it was stormed by a 3:03:13.640 --> 3:03:16.400 group of around ten men dressed in proud boy attire 3:03:16.720 --> 3:03:20.039 and shirts that read kill your local pedophile. They threatened 3:03:20.040 --> 3:03:24.160 attendees while shouting homophobic and transphobic slurs, terrifying a bunch 3:03:24.200 --> 3:03:27.039 of kids who had come to hear queens read stories. 3:03:27.920 --> 3:03:30.280 So how did this kind of stuff and like how 3:03:30.320 --> 3:03:33.120 did this rhetoric spread so quickly? Like how did this 3:03:33.160 --> 3:03:36.560 groomer stuff get so volatile so quickly just in these 3:03:36.760 --> 3:03:39.440 just in these past few months, in our war on 3:03:39.520 --> 3:03:43.520 Transpeople episodes and my Operation Privateful episodes, we discussed the 3:03:43.600 --> 3:03:46.080 history of this sort of like save the Children and 3:03:46.280 --> 3:03:49.840 like pedophile rhetoric. Uh. And in my City of Hate 3:03:49.879 --> 3:03:53.240 episode earlier this week, we talked about how this wave 3:03:53.280 --> 3:03:56.440 of homophobia was able to write off the conspiracism of 3:03:56.520 --> 3:03:59.279 Pizza Gate and Q and on and then in this episode, 3:03:59.320 --> 3:04:01.359 we're an attack of out to the types of places 3:04:01.720 --> 3:04:04.840 that this extreme bigotry was able to fester this past 3:04:04.959 --> 3:04:09.879 decade and how it relates to Evangelical Christianity and Christian fascism. 3:04:10.600 --> 3:04:13.720 I'm gonna play an audio clip from a city council 3:04:13.760 --> 3:04:18.400 meeting in Arlington, Texas that happened on May twenty five. 3:04:18.840 --> 3:04:21.280 Take a listen. My name is Jonathan Joey. I'm the 3:04:21.360 --> 3:04:23.800 pastor has been as Badness Church, and I'm here today 3:04:23.800 --> 3:04:26.240 because I have church members that live in Arlington. I 3:04:26.400 --> 3:04:28.880 live only a few miles away from here. Enity business 3:04:28.920 --> 3:04:32.600 in Arlington on a weekly basis. I'm horrified, ashamed that 3:04:32.760 --> 3:04:36.680 the city has assigned to promote and solicit pride in 3:04:36.800 --> 3:04:40.320 this city. Pride is nothing to be celebrated. In fact, 3:04:40.400 --> 3:04:44.080 it's an abomination. The Bible says in Proverbs chapter eight, 3:04:44.280 --> 3:04:47.960 the fear of the Lord is to hate pride, hate evil, 3:04:48.160 --> 3:04:51.440 pride and mrogancy and the evil way and the throw 3:04:51.480 --> 3:04:54.560 word mouth do I hate? According to God, we should 3:04:54.600 --> 3:04:59.240 hate pride, not celebrate it. We should humble ourselves as 3:04:59.760 --> 3:05:01.960 for actually the whole rooms that we were a nation 3:05:02.080 --> 3:05:04.280 under God according to the American flag, and we were 3:05:04.640 --> 3:05:07.360 a state under God if we're in the Texas flag. 3:05:07.640 --> 3:05:10.680 We should humble ourselves to what the Bible says and 3:05:10.840 --> 3:05:15.320 not what the small minority here that doesn't bully would say. 3:05:15.640 --> 3:05:20.240 In June of Mayor Jeff Williams officially announced the steps 3:05:20.280 --> 3:05:23.760 a Pride month in June for the city of Arleyington. 3:05:24.320 --> 3:05:27.160 But I don't understand why we celebrate what used to 3:05:27.200 --> 3:05:30.760 be a crime not long ago. The fact, I'm recording 3:05:30.840 --> 3:05:37.279 to the Texas Penal Coach and Sexual respectful homosexual Conduct 3:05:37.640 --> 3:05:40.200 that Curson commits an offense to be engaged in deviate 3:05:40.280 --> 3:05:44.000 sexual intercourse with another individual of the same sex. In fact, 3:05:44.120 --> 3:05:47.480 that is still on the books today, even though Lawrence 3:05:47.640 --> 3:05:51.320 versus Texas overruled that in two thousand three. But God 3:05:51.360 --> 3:05:54.800 has already ruled that murder adults three witch graft rate, 3:05:54.959 --> 3:06:01.840 beastiality of homosexualities are crimes worthy of capital. Arlington, just 3:06:02.040 --> 3:06:05.040 for context, is one of many towns in North Dallas 3:06:05.120 --> 3:06:07.160 that if you happen to have weeed on you, you're 3:06:07.200 --> 3:06:08.840 gonna want to tape it to the bottom of your 3:06:08.879 --> 3:06:13.200 balls before driving through Arlington. Thanks for that great, great 3:06:13.320 --> 3:06:18.960 weed tip from You're Welcome, You're Welcome Garrison. So that 3:06:19.200 --> 3:06:22.880 is Pastor Jonathan Shelley, who lives in Grand Prairie. UM. 3:06:23.080 --> 3:06:25.920 He was there at at an Arlington, Texas City Council 3:06:25.959 --> 3:06:29.640 meeting casually advocating killing gay people while citing Texas is 3:06:29.680 --> 3:06:34.360 laws against homosexuality. Their church, and this connected branch of 3:06:34.400 --> 3:06:37.640 Baptists that will learn more about later, have an intense 3:06:37.720 --> 3:06:41.440 record of preaching genocide against gay and transpeople and also 3:06:41.480 --> 3:06:44.520 a fair amount of anti Semitism. Big big shocker there. 3:06:45.440 --> 3:06:48.959 The previous pastor at this church, which is called Steadfast 3:06:49.000 --> 3:06:52.440 Baptist Church. UM. But the previous pastor who resigned in 3:06:52.520 --> 3:06:55.640 twenty nineteen due to allegations that he paid for sex workers, 3:06:55.720 --> 3:06:59.199 was involved in gambling, and had smoked marijuana. I guess 3:06:59.400 --> 3:07:01.600 he should have aped more of it to his pulse. UM. 3:07:03.840 --> 3:07:07.600 He Garter a national attention for celebrating the Orlando Pulse 3:07:07.680 --> 3:07:12.120 gay nightclub massacre, which killed people. From the pulpit, the 3:07:12.200 --> 3:07:15.520 pastor said that God should finish the job and referred 3:07:15.640 --> 3:07:20.480 to the murdered patrons as sodomites, perverts, and pedophiles. The 3:07:20.560 --> 3:07:24.920 new pastor, John Shelley, continues this same strain of preaching 3:07:25.040 --> 3:07:28.360 violence against gay people. Uh. This next clip is from 3:07:28.520 --> 3:07:32.840 June one, right after someone died after getting hit by 3:07:32.879 --> 3:07:35.880 a truck at a Pride parade in Florida, which we 3:07:36.080 --> 3:07:38.360 later found out was a complete accident. But I don't 3:07:38.360 --> 3:07:40.520 don't think the public knew that at the time. No, 3:07:40.720 --> 3:07:43.280 and obviously people, I mean, I think all of our 3:07:43.320 --> 3:07:46.600 assumptions was, oh, god, you know this is the thing. Yeah, 3:07:46.720 --> 3:07:49.480 Well here's the clip. If it's going beyond just saying 3:07:49.520 --> 3:07:50.880 you do all this week and stuff, it's saying you 3:07:51.000 --> 3:07:56.959 enjoy it. You enjoy murder, you enjoy malignity, you enjoy 3:07:57.560 --> 3:08:01.120 hating God. Look, there's only one group that enjoys that. 3:08:01.520 --> 3:08:03.360 It is the Pride paradees going up down the street. 3:08:04.760 --> 3:08:07.600 And you know it's great when trucks accidentally go through those, 3:08:07.720 --> 3:08:11.560 you know, parades. I think only one person died, so 3:08:11.640 --> 3:08:14.960 hopefully we can hope for more in the future. You say, well, 3:08:15.000 --> 3:08:17.879 that's me. Yeah, but the Bible says that they're worthy 3:08:17.920 --> 3:08:21.360 of death. You say, are you sad when fags die? No, 3:08:21.560 --> 3:08:24.400 I think it's great. I hope they all die. I 3:08:24.440 --> 3:08:26.680 would love it if every fag would die right now. 3:08:27.480 --> 3:08:29.440 And you say, well, I don't think that's what you 3:08:29.520 --> 3:08:33.120 really mean. That's exactly what I mean. I really mean it. 3:08:33.560 --> 3:08:36.840 So yeah, it's it's a poor drummer. Like that's June, 3:08:38.080 --> 3:08:40.480 even a year before the big wave of groomer stuff 3:08:40.520 --> 3:08:43.520 got pushed this past spring with the help of Lives 3:08:43.520 --> 3:08:46.400 of TikTok, and that kind of shows how susceptible modern 3:08:46.400 --> 3:08:50.760 conservatism was to this resurgence of in your face homophobia. 3:08:51.360 --> 3:08:54.480 There's been people to working to like keep it here 3:08:54.520 --> 3:08:57.280 the whole time, just bubbling beneath the surface, and now 3:08:57.360 --> 3:09:01.240 it's just completely boiled over. And I'm gonna say, like, 3:09:01.440 --> 3:09:02.920 the rest of the episode is going to get into 3:09:03.000 --> 3:09:05.840 some pretty dark stuff. We're there's gonna be a few 3:09:05.879 --> 3:09:09.040 more clips that are pretty are pretty gross if you 3:09:09.120 --> 3:09:11.520 want to, if you want to check out, that's totally fine. 3:09:11.680 --> 3:09:13.800 After this episode, I myself. I'm going to take a 3:09:13.840 --> 3:09:16.080 little bit of a break from covering this sort of 3:09:16.160 --> 3:09:17.680 thing that's taking a little bit too much of a 3:09:17.720 --> 3:09:22.960 mental toll, because it's a lot of jenocide. It's it is, 3:09:23.160 --> 3:09:26.400 it's it is. It's pretty intense. Uh. If you do 3:09:26.600 --> 3:09:29.920 feel the need to leave before you go, just remember 3:09:30.000 --> 3:09:32.880 this simple phrase for keeping safe in the DFW area. 3:09:33.520 --> 3:09:36.840 Tape it to your balls and your happiness won't be smalls. 3:09:38.120 --> 3:09:42.920 So here's another clip from June of Shelley reiterating his 3:09:43.080 --> 3:09:46.200 call for the government to execute gay people after he 3:09:46.320 --> 3:09:49.880 received some public backlash for his the previous clip that 3:09:49.959 --> 3:09:53.080 we that we used. And I personally believe that all 3:09:53.160 --> 3:09:56.120 of these sodomites, you know, people that are men with 3:09:56.320 --> 3:09:59.640 men are pedophile because that means that they just simply 3:09:59.680 --> 3:10:03.480 are acted to children. They're attracted to. Uh, these people 3:10:03.520 --> 3:10:07.200 that are the ages of seventeen, sixteen, fifteen, even though 3:10:07.240 --> 3:10:10.480 they're grown adult, they're going after children and very young 3:10:10.600 --> 3:10:14.160 children often cases, and lesting them and hurting them. And 3:10:14.440 --> 3:10:18.199 you know, anybody that loves children, loves their family, would 3:10:18.240 --> 3:10:21.640 want this person to be executed through the proper channels. 3:10:22.000 --> 3:10:24.480 That's what I believe. That's what I teach. I'm not 3:10:24.600 --> 3:10:27.600 a violent person. So my, my, my, my kind of 3:10:27.640 --> 3:10:31.160 fear is that Shelley or someone like you know, John 3:10:31.200 --> 3:10:32.880 Doyle that we talked about in our last City of 3:10:32.920 --> 3:10:36.000 Hit episode. Is not that they themselves will bring a 3:10:36.080 --> 3:10:38.560 weapon to some future Pride parade or go on a 3:10:38.680 --> 3:10:41.800 rampage and assault or kill gay people, right. It's that 3:10:41.959 --> 3:10:44.240 one of their followers or one of their fans will, 3:10:44.560 --> 3:10:47.440 And these types of pastors and far right media figures 3:10:47.760 --> 3:10:53.800 are intentionally leading people onto that outcome. Uh to quote Heymtmetta, 3:10:53.920 --> 3:10:58.240 who's been tracking Steadfast for years, quote, Because while Shelley 3:10:58.360 --> 3:11:02.160 is celebrating murder, he's also handing his congregation a metaphorical 3:11:02.320 --> 3:11:05.720 loaded gun. And if somebody eventually uses a literal one 3:11:05.800 --> 3:11:08.360 to follow through on what they believe to be God's orders, 3:11:08.879 --> 3:11:12.080 they know that Shelley will be proud of them, even 3:11:12.280 --> 3:11:14.760 as he tells the world he has absolutely nothing to 3:11:14.879 --> 3:11:18.519 do with it, unquote. So, under the pressure of activists, 3:11:18.800 --> 3:11:22.400 Steadfast actually got evicted from their old building in Hearst, 3:11:22.520 --> 3:11:27.280 Texas this past March for spreading their extreme anti LGBT 3:11:27.840 --> 3:11:30.720 hate and calls for violence, which was in violation of 3:11:30.840 --> 3:11:33.800 the terms of its least, which prohibited violence and threats. 3:11:34.560 --> 3:11:37.480 The church has an active gab page, which kind of 3:11:37.520 --> 3:11:39.560 tells you a little bit about the people running this 3:11:39.640 --> 3:11:43.920 sort of operation. Uh Insteadfast publicly organized and livestreamed their 3:11:43.959 --> 3:11:46.760 sermons on a very active Facebook page, which is no 3:11:46.879 --> 3:11:50.160 longer active for reasons that we will later discuss. And 3:11:50.240 --> 3:11:53.200 then during these past few months, they've relocated their church 3:11:53.320 --> 3:11:56.240 from Hearst to a building that's part of a strip 3:11:56.360 --> 3:12:01.240 mall in Wattaga, Texas. Is at home say it. That's 3:12:01.400 --> 3:12:04.080 That's the thing about any town in Texas is he 3:12:04.160 --> 3:12:06.440 doesn't have It doesn't matter how you pronounce it, because 3:12:06.760 --> 3:12:12.760 they're Texans. Watuga wat what do whatever you want? Anyway, 3:12:12.879 --> 3:12:14.840 they're now a strip mall church, which I think is 3:12:16.160 --> 3:12:18.720 to look for them. I mean that you're okay, I 3:12:18.800 --> 3:12:21.160 will correct you here. You're saying that like it's it's 3:12:21.200 --> 3:12:23.400 funny as opposed to just the way everything is in 3:12:23.520 --> 3:12:27.040 Texas because Texas is a giant strip mall. Yeah. I 3:12:27.080 --> 3:12:31.720 guess though. And while John Shelley is pretty bad, right, 3:12:31.760 --> 3:12:33.480 We've we've heard a lot of bad clips of him 3:12:33.560 --> 3:12:35.640 talking about how gay people are pedophiles and how they 3:12:35.680 --> 3:12:38.080 should all be killed by the government. He's not the 3:12:38.160 --> 3:12:41.640 only guy who's sad Fast preaching violent in genocidal rhetoric. 3:12:42.760 --> 3:12:47.400 Enter Dylan oz formerly based out of Boise, Idaho, now 3:12:47.520 --> 3:12:52.200 preaching at Stedfast Baptist Church in Watuga, Texas. On Sunday, 3:12:52.360 --> 3:12:57.000 June four, Dylan oz Well, preaching from the pulpit, said 3:12:57.040 --> 3:13:01.000 that the quote solution for the homosexual is for the 3:13:01.080 --> 3:13:05.120 government to execute every single gay person. Here's here is 3:13:08.240 --> 3:13:12.120 here of him that what does God say is the 3:13:12.240 --> 3:13:15.520 answer is the solution for the homosexual in two thousand 3:13:15.600 --> 3:13:18.240 twenty two, here in the New Testament, here in the 3:13:18.280 --> 3:13:21.720 Book of Romans, that they are worthy of death. These 3:13:21.800 --> 3:13:25.880 people should be put to death. Every single homosexual in 3:13:25.920 --> 3:13:29.360 our country should be charged with the crime, the abomination 3:13:29.760 --> 3:13:32.680 of homosexuality that they have. They should be convicted in 3:13:32.720 --> 3:13:35.760 a lawful trial. They should be sentenced with death. They 3:13:35.800 --> 3:13:38.040 should be lined up against the wall and shot in 3:13:38.080 --> 3:13:41.640 the back of the head. That's what God teaches. That's 3:13:41.680 --> 3:13:44.600 what the Bible says. You don't like it, you don't 3:13:44.680 --> 3:13:47.560 like God's work, because that is what God says. I 3:13:47.680 --> 3:13:51.000 don't think that the Bible says anything about guns. Actually, um, 3:13:51.280 --> 3:13:53.440 it's it's it's been a while since I read the 3:13:53.520 --> 3:13:57.040 King James version that said fast exclusively uses, so maybe 3:13:57.080 --> 3:13:59.400 it's like a translation thing, but I don't I don't 3:13:59.400 --> 3:14:02.520 remember anything about shooting or bullets or guns and inside 3:14:02.600 --> 3:14:07.840 my Bible. Um. But speaking of translation things, I'm gonna 3:14:07.920 --> 3:14:10.600 go on a little theology right here about quote unquote 3:14:10.680 --> 3:14:13.880 lying with man or lying with men, um, and how 3:14:13.959 --> 3:14:16.840 scholars actually believe if you look at the original Biblical texts, 3:14:16.920 --> 3:14:18.960 not the crap like the King James version and the 3:14:19.080 --> 3:14:22.880 nonsense based off that horrible translation, but the chapters where 3:14:22.879 --> 3:14:26.200 people pull stuff supposedly condemning men for laying with men, 3:14:26.400 --> 3:14:29.200 and quote unquote homosexuality, which is obviously like a very 3:14:29.280 --> 3:14:31.760 modern word, does not belong in a text as oldest 3:14:31.800 --> 3:14:33.640 the Bible, like that just wor didn't that wor didn't 3:14:33.640 --> 3:14:38.320 exist yet. Um. But those passages would probably more accurately 3:14:38.400 --> 3:14:42.680 translate to condemning adult men who rape young boys. Uh. 3:14:43.040 --> 3:14:45.440 And even if they didn't, even if it was about 3:14:45.440 --> 3:14:48.640 adult men with other adult men. I don't fucking care, 3:14:48.720 --> 3:14:51.720 and neither should most Christians, because Christians are not following 3:14:51.760 --> 3:14:54.600 all of the laws of Leviticus, nor should they, like 3:14:54.879 --> 3:14:57.840 that ship was for Israelites thousands of years ago to 3:14:57.959 --> 3:15:02.199 make their culture distinct from other surrounding nations. Like Christians 3:15:02.240 --> 3:15:05.720 aren't railing against the use of mixed fabric for Christ's sake, 3:15:06.760 --> 3:15:09.840 I am, there's there's a lot of there's a lot 3:15:09.879 --> 3:15:12.400 of stuff. Believe in eating shrimp. But I think if 3:15:12.440 --> 3:15:15.080 you use mixed fabrics, you should be executed. You should 3:15:15.120 --> 3:15:19.360 be the back of the head. That's the mainly thing 3:15:19.520 --> 3:15:25.000 that anyone using mixed fabrics death penalty instantly. Yeah, so, 3:15:25.080 --> 3:15:28.840 like obviously there's not these churches preaching against mixed fabric. 3:15:29.400 --> 3:15:34.720 Here's here's Christian preacher Dylanas again justifying his calls for 3:15:34.760 --> 3:15:39.520 the execution of gay people by falsely claiming, obviously that 3:15:40.040 --> 3:15:45.039 all homosexuals are pedophiles. Here's the thing, here's why reprobates, 3:15:45.240 --> 3:15:49.320 Here's why homosexuals are so dangerous to society. They're not 3:15:49.480 --> 3:15:52.360 like other sinners in the sense that every single day 3:15:52.760 --> 3:15:55.960 that they are alive, they're being filled with more and 3:15:56.120 --> 3:16:00.720 more and more unrighteousness. That is a scary thing. You 3:16:00.800 --> 3:16:03.440 want to know why we say that all homosexuals are pedophiles, 3:16:03.600 --> 3:16:07.760 And let me make that very clear. All homosexuals are pedophiles, 3:16:08.280 --> 3:16:10.240 And people say, well, what about all the straight people 3:16:10.360 --> 3:16:13.360 that molest children? There faces, I don't care what you 3:16:13.480 --> 3:16:17.600 call them. If if a person is with a child, 3:16:17.800 --> 3:16:20.920 your factor, you're reprobated, your sodomite. I don't care what 3:16:21.000 --> 3:16:23.840 kind of classifications our government wants to give them. All 3:16:24.280 --> 3:16:27.600 homosexuals are pedophiles. Now here's the thing. Here's here's what 3:16:27.640 --> 3:16:31.440 I'm not saying. I'm not saying that every single homosexual 3:16:31.520 --> 3:16:33.920 that's alive right now has committed that act with a 3:16:34.000 --> 3:16:36.840 child already, because there it could be that they haven't 3:16:36.879 --> 3:16:39.760 had the opportunity yet, and they will at some point 3:16:39.840 --> 3:16:42.600 later in their life. This is why we need to 3:16:42.640 --> 3:16:44.400 put these people to death through the proper channels of 3:16:44.440 --> 3:16:48.000 the government, because the Bible says that they are being filled. 3:16:48.280 --> 3:16:50.680 So here's the thing. Yes, maybe not every single homosexual 3:16:50.720 --> 3:16:53.080 has been with a child yet, But what about tomorrow 3:16:53.080 --> 3:16:56.080 when they're filled with a little more unrighteousness. What about 3:16:56.120 --> 3:16:57.800 in a week from now, when they're a little filled 3:16:57.800 --> 3:17:01.800 with a little more unrighteousness? What about twenty years from now? 3:17:02.360 --> 3:17:04.280 What are they going to be like? You look up 3:17:04.320 --> 3:17:07.680 the statistics on the sodomites that abused children, there with 3:17:07.879 --> 3:17:11.520 so many children will make you throw up disgusting. These 3:17:11.560 --> 3:17:14.520 people are not normal. They're not your average everyday centers. 3:17:14.600 --> 3:17:17.640 They're what the Bible calls reverbates. They're rejected by God. 3:17:18.080 --> 3:17:22.440 They have no hope of salvation. So in John Shelley 3:17:22.520 --> 3:17:25.840 with Steadfast Baptist Church, with the help of a network 3:17:25.920 --> 3:17:30.320 of aggressively homophobic churches, made a two hour quote unquote 3:17:30.440 --> 3:17:37.240 documentary about how to quote protect your children called and 3:17:37.400 --> 3:17:44.000 it's the title is called the Sodabite Deception. See all right, look, 3:17:44.280 --> 3:17:46.800 we're going to look if we're going to do this 3:17:47.120 --> 3:17:49.959 thing where there's licenses for people to buy guns, can 3:17:50.080 --> 3:17:52.400 we have there be a license to make a documentary? 3:17:52.879 --> 3:17:58.440 Can we marry that too? So the quote unquote Sadamite 3:17:58.560 --> 3:18:04.039 Deception aims to expose how the LGBTQ community is contributing 3:18:04.120 --> 3:18:08.000 to the collapse of modern society, which I mean based um. 3:18:09.000 --> 3:18:12.920 The trailer opens with a real banger. Most Americans are 3:18:12.959 --> 3:18:16.480 repelled by the mere notion of homosexuality. The CBS News 3:18:16.520 --> 3:18:19.200 survey shows that two out of three Americans look upon 3:18:19.280 --> 3:18:23.800 homosexuals we've discussed discomfort or fear. One out of ten 3:18:23.959 --> 3:18:29.199 says Hatred. The documentary celebrates historical laws that criminalized homosexuality 3:18:29.400 --> 3:18:32.680 and criticizes more recent laws that expand lgbt Q rights. 3:18:33.160 --> 3:18:35.240 In the film, Shell, he advocates for the death penalty 3:18:35.320 --> 3:18:37.920 to be used on the LGBTQ community and uses, you know, 3:18:38.080 --> 3:18:40.800 many many slurs across this whole thing, all of all 3:18:40.840 --> 3:18:42.520 of them use all kinds of slurs, as I'm sure 3:18:42.560 --> 3:18:45.879 we've heard this past episode. Uh. The pastors of other 3:18:45.959 --> 3:18:50.720 churches part of the New Independent Fundamental Baptist movement, also 3:18:51.080 --> 3:18:54.720 featured in the documentary. Here's a collection of said pastors 3:18:55.120 --> 3:18:59.680 screaming in the trailer for the Sodamite Deception. Thank you, 3:18:59.760 --> 3:19:01.600 Gary Prison, thank you for playing us a trailer of 3:19:01.640 --> 3:19:05.240 people screaming. That's gonna be fun. Starting off with Shelley saying, quote, 3:19:05.600 --> 3:19:08.520 why aren't all these Baptists standing up and saying these 3:19:08.600 --> 3:19:10.680 freaks should go back to hell, should go back in 3:19:10.720 --> 3:19:13.080 the closet, put a bullet in your head. Why aren't 3:19:13.080 --> 3:19:16.360 they saying it? Because some of some of what he 3:19:16.360 --> 3:19:18.040 says his heart to hear. So I'm just saying that 3:19:18.240 --> 3:19:20.000 for you guys, so you know what he's saying. Anyway, 3:19:20.280 --> 3:19:22.600 here's some here's some of the trailer. It's pretty funny. 3:19:23.879 --> 3:19:26.640 Why are all these Baptists standing up and saying, these 3:19:26.720 --> 3:19:29.680 freaks and go back to hell, go back to the closet, 3:19:30.240 --> 3:19:32.640 put a bull in your hat. Why aren't they saying it? 3:19:34.360 --> 3:19:39.039 I'm called bagging, a bagging, a trance bestie, a disgusting gone. 3:19:40.400 --> 3:19:43.400 No homos will ever be allowed on this turk as 3:19:43.440 --> 3:19:47.040 long as I'm the pastor here. Never the law of 3:19:47.040 --> 3:19:50.280 the Lord perfect or is it not? It's perfect? And 3:19:50.400 --> 3:19:54.600 what did he say? Put them to death? You know, 3:19:54.640 --> 3:19:56.840 people say like, well, aren't you sadt that you saw side? 3:19:57.160 --> 3:19:58.960 Here's the problem with that. It's like the equivalent of 3:19:59.000 --> 3:20:01.160 asking me, you know, have you asked me, Hey, are 3:20:01.200 --> 3:20:05.080 you sad that fifty pedophiles were killed today? Um? No, 3:20:05.400 --> 3:20:09.320 I think that's great. I think that helps society. You know, 3:20:09.440 --> 3:20:12.440 I think Orlando, Florida was a little safer tonight now 3:20:12.560 --> 3:20:15.000 that fifty. You know, the tragedy is that more of 3:20:15.080 --> 3:20:18.000 them than Doe? I mean, the tragedy is I'm i'm 3:20:18.080 --> 3:20:20.680 I'm I'm I'm kind I'm upset that he finished the 3:20:20.760 --> 3:20:26.160 job because these people are creditive. So yeah, that sucks. Uh, 3:20:27.600 --> 3:20:30.000 but man, there is just a lot of a lot 3:20:30.080 --> 3:20:32.840 of like men in their forties screaming about gay people. 3:20:32.879 --> 3:20:38.400 They they they seem really concerned. Yes yeah, um. Someone 3:20:38.560 --> 3:20:42.680 in that clip is noted homophobe and the Holocaust denier 3:20:42.879 --> 3:20:47.360 Stephen Anderson, who of of of Faithful Word Baptist Church. 3:20:48.360 --> 3:20:55.120 He's he's the guy shrieking never never anyway. Uh. Steadfast 3:20:55.520 --> 3:20:58.560 Church members and pastors have continued to show up at 3:20:58.600 --> 3:21:02.000 city council meetings in multi cities throughout the Dallas Fort 3:21:02.040 --> 3:21:05.760 Worth area. This past Monday, people associated with the church, 3:21:05.840 --> 3:21:10.080 as well as residents opposing Steadfests bigotry, spoke at a 3:21:10.120 --> 3:21:13.800 city council meeting in Watouga, Texas. I'm here today to 3:21:13.879 --> 3:21:15.960 let the council know of the hate group that hasn'tered 3:21:16.000 --> 3:21:19.000 their city. This hay group was called Steadfast Baptist Church. 3:21:19.760 --> 3:21:22.320 It was in June one that I first came across 3:21:22.360 --> 3:21:26.280 the offensive defamation against women and the LGBTQ community. The 3:21:26.360 --> 3:21:29.880 hate statements, videos and social media posts prompted me to 3:21:29.959 --> 3:21:32.560 join the protests that started in hers and now has 3:21:32.640 --> 3:21:35.240 moved to your city. And I apologize for this, but 3:21:35.320 --> 3:21:38.880 this is quoting him. They are all dirty discased disgusting 3:21:39.000 --> 3:21:42.039 skank cores. In another video, he also states that women 3:21:42.080 --> 3:21:44.600 in positions of leadership and authority are actually a curse 3:21:44.720 --> 3:21:47.440 upon our nation. Council members, at the very least, you 3:21:47.480 --> 3:21:51.280 should encourage the strip law owner Cider Property of Dallas 3:21:51.360 --> 3:21:55.320 to revoke this church's lease. So yeah, there was there 3:21:55.400 --> 3:21:57.000 was kind of like this back and forth at this 3:21:57.200 --> 3:22:01.680 city council meeting. Multiple multiple people from Steadfast responded by 3:22:01.720 --> 3:22:05.199 screaming into the mic and continuing to advocate the execution 3:22:05.240 --> 3:22:07.840 of gay people. One guy that I'll that'll quickly play 3:22:07.840 --> 3:22:12.080 a clip of as Philip millstread of of Steadfast. He 3:22:12.640 --> 3:22:16.560 went further and made a veiled threat of violence the 3:22:16.640 --> 3:22:21.080 city of Otaga. And if police officers are allowing this community, 3:22:21.480 --> 3:22:24.440 the son of my community, to intimidate church members from 3:22:24.480 --> 3:22:27.560 worshiping God the way he should be worshiped and truth, 3:22:27.879 --> 3:22:30.640 and if you don't do something, something will happen bad. 3:22:31.040 --> 3:22:36.119 So that's fun. Um. It's also a strong, strong definition 3:22:36.160 --> 3:22:38.640 of the word veiled. Well, I mean like in terms 3:22:38.720 --> 3:22:41.600 like obviously they're they're they're talking about execution and genocide. 3:22:41.840 --> 3:22:46.360 He's talking about like actually doing physical like like actually 3:22:46.520 --> 3:22:49.560 like as vigilante is doing physical violence, which is different 3:22:49.560 --> 3:22:52.880 because Steadfast usually tries to frame their violence within like 3:22:53.320 --> 3:22:56.000 it's okay because it's a part of the government. Right. 3:22:56.600 --> 3:22:59.800 Uh So when they're like talking about just doing like 3:23:00.120 --> 3:23:03.000 vigilantism or list saying like we're gonna take this into 3:23:03.040 --> 3:23:05.200 our own hands, right, it's it's it's it's a little 3:23:05.240 --> 3:23:09.680 bit different. Wattuga Mayor Arthur Minor this past Tuesday, so 3:23:09.800 --> 3:23:12.680 that he is discussing the status of Steadfast Baptist Church 3:23:12.959 --> 3:23:15.960 with the city attorney, while also stating that the attorney 3:23:16.040 --> 3:23:18.680 has told him that it's a First Amendment issue, so 3:23:18.800 --> 3:23:21.039 that there's quote nothing that the city can do at 3:23:21.120 --> 3:23:24.600 this time, but we are looking at other avenues unquote, 3:23:24.840 --> 3:23:27.920 and I mean that's to be that's probably probably fair. 3:23:29.080 --> 3:23:33.520 It's hard to make a church leave a place. Yeah. 3:23:33.600 --> 3:23:36.040 So he did not he did not elaborate further than that, 3:23:36.280 --> 3:23:38.560 but he did encourage people to bring up the issue 3:23:38.800 --> 3:23:43.680 with the person holding Steadfast's lease at this strip mall 3:23:44.040 --> 3:23:48.760 in Watuca. Uh let his let us go on another 3:23:49.280 --> 3:23:53.200 ad break. Do you know who won't shriek at gay 3:23:53.280 --> 3:23:57.160 people and call on the government to kill them? Hope, 3:23:57.320 --> 3:24:00.959 hopefully these these these ads, hopefully not for another couple 3:24:01.000 --> 3:24:05.480 of years. Yeah, well that's why I said hopefully. Okay, 3:24:05.840 --> 3:24:08.720 so let's let's talk a bit more about this, this 3:24:08.879 --> 3:24:12.920 church's ideology and this network that it's associated with, because 3:24:12.959 --> 3:24:16.440 it is actually kind of interesting. So Steadfast Baptist Church 3:24:16.720 --> 3:24:20.000 is part of Steven Anderson's church network called the New 3:24:20.080 --> 3:24:24.480 Independent fundamental Baptist Movement, uh, which I'm just gonna call 3:24:24.680 --> 3:24:29.280 the New i FB because those are way too many words. Um. 3:24:29.760 --> 3:24:32.960 And they claim it's not like a denomination, but rather 3:24:33.400 --> 3:24:39.240 a revival of what the old Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Movement 3:24:39.360 --> 3:24:42.920 once arepresented unquote. The New I f B churches just 3:24:43.040 --> 3:24:45.680 like the old if the churches used the King James 3:24:45.760 --> 3:24:49.720 Bible exclusively. And the Old Life b movement was founded 3:24:49.760 --> 3:24:52.680 in the forties and was trying to reclaim the fundamentalism 3:24:52.720 --> 3:24:57.400 of the nineteen twenties. And so we're just we're going 3:24:57.520 --> 3:25:01.400 back from the two thousand twenties to that I twenties, uh, 3:25:02.200 --> 3:25:06.440 in terms of their social views times of flat circle. Uh, 3:25:08.160 --> 3:25:10.240 I'm gonna I'm gonna quote a little bit from the A. D. 3:25:10.400 --> 3:25:12.080 L which of course is very hit and miss as 3:25:12.080 --> 3:25:15.920 an organization. But they didn't, but they did, they did. 3:25:15.959 --> 3:25:17.640 They do have any They do have a decent article 3:25:17.879 --> 3:25:21.000 on the new U I f B churches because this 3:25:21.160 --> 3:25:23.480 is like specifically the thing they focus on is this 3:25:23.680 --> 3:25:27.880 sort of anti Semitism. So anyway, quote, the New I 3:25:28.280 --> 3:25:31.199 f B ideology promotes the anti Semitic notion that Jews 3:25:31.280 --> 3:25:34.840 today are impostors who are not the true Jews described 3:25:34.879 --> 3:25:38.160 in the Bible, which by the way, is awfully close 3:25:38.240 --> 3:25:42.920 to Christian identity. I mean that is essentially Christian identity. 3:25:43.080 --> 3:25:46.000 It is. It's very very similar. I think the New 3:25:46.120 --> 3:25:48.440 I f B stuff is slightly different. It comes out 3:25:48.520 --> 3:25:53.280 from a slightly different direction, it's like, but they reach 3:25:53.360 --> 3:25:57.520 a very similar conclusion. Like I don't think they believe 3:25:57.680 --> 3:26:00.360 that Christians are like the true Jews, and they don't 3:26:00.360 --> 3:26:03.039 talk about like Arians and stuff, and they're not doing 3:26:03.120 --> 3:26:07.000 British Israelism, but they Judaism is the Synagogue of Saying. 3:26:07.040 --> 3:26:09.640 But it's like, well, some of them do use the 3:26:09.760 --> 3:26:14.680 term the Synagogue of Satan, but like you know, they 3:26:14.800 --> 3:26:18.520 hate Judaism because as a religion, it's made up of 3:26:18.640 --> 3:26:21.600 Jews who do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. So 3:26:21.720 --> 3:26:24.879 therefore they are not truly descendants of Israel. Right, it's 3:26:24.879 --> 3:26:27.240 it's it's they come at it from more of that direction, 3:26:27.560 --> 3:26:31.360 but it is still extremely close to Christian identity. Like 3:26:31.520 --> 3:26:34.480 it is, it is. It is just a tiny hop 3:26:34.560 --> 3:26:37.480 of a pond like the kiss for sure. No, they 3:26:37.640 --> 3:26:40.640 like they are so they are absolutely in the same 3:26:40.720 --> 3:26:45.480 networks because they are preaching very similar ideology um back 3:26:45.520 --> 3:26:47.640 to the back, back to the Idel quote. They often 3:26:47.720 --> 3:26:50.280 claim that Jews today worship Satan and that the Star 3:26:50.360 --> 3:26:54.520 of David represents the devil. The new i FB doctrine 3:26:54.560 --> 3:26:57.320 promotes the notion of an Antichrist, whom they claim will 3:26:57.360 --> 3:27:01.600 be Jewish. In their sermons very new various New i 3:27:01.760 --> 3:27:05.680 FB pastors often openly state that they hate Judaism as religion, 3:27:06.240 --> 3:27:10.199 and in addition to criticizing Judaism, many New i FB 3:27:10.360 --> 3:27:14.200 pastors also promote andy Semitic tropes about Jewish power and 3:27:14.320 --> 3:27:18.920 control over sectors like finance, news, media, and journalism. New 3:27:19.040 --> 3:27:22.640 i FB pastors have also promoted Holocaust denial. In pastor 3:27:22.720 --> 3:27:25.320 Stephen Anderson presented a number of false claims in a 3:27:25.440 --> 3:27:30.280 video specifically addressing the so called quote Holocaust hoax unquote 3:27:30.840 --> 3:27:34.280 saying the numbers don't add up, the facts don't add up. 3:27:34.840 --> 3:27:40.040 Um Anderson alleged that quote some Jews were among the 3:27:40.160 --> 3:27:47.480 many quote casualties on both sides matter, but he blamed 3:27:47.560 --> 3:27:50.800 those deaths on starvation and poor conditions, claiming that quote 3:27:50.959 --> 3:27:53.320 just because people were rounded up and putting for slabor 3:27:53.400 --> 3:27:56.640 camps does not mean that they were systematically exterminated or 3:27:56.760 --> 3:28:00.680 cremated to the tune of six million unquote. Unlike many 3:28:00.800 --> 3:28:03.400 in the evangelical movement, New I f B Churches are 3:28:03.440 --> 3:28:07.320 staunchly anti Zionist and anti Israel data christ Zionism as 3:28:07.440 --> 3:28:11.160 quote jew worship unquote, and view the traditional support for 3:28:11.240 --> 3:28:14.600 Israel among Evangelical Christians as a result of Jewish deception 3:28:15.200 --> 3:28:18.080 in support of the anti christ. But they have a 3:28:18.360 --> 3:28:20.840 ton of opinions about the sinking of the U. S S. 3:28:20.920 --> 3:28:24.600 Liberty in line with their broader anti Simmitic use Judaism 3:28:24.959 --> 3:28:27.280 as a false and evil religion. The modern nation of 3:28:27.400 --> 3:28:31.959 Israel is regularly characterized as wicked and a fraud unquote. 3:28:32.160 --> 3:28:36.640 And they do not dislike Israel because Israel commits genocide 3:28:36.640 --> 3:28:39.840 against Palestinian people, because, as you say that, they're very 3:28:39.879 --> 3:28:43.200 pro genocide as a concept. Yeah, and then to be honest, 3:28:43.440 --> 3:28:47.080 probably pretty pro genocide of the Palestinian people. Yeah, they 3:28:47.720 --> 3:28:52.320 just not that way. Yeah. So that's a little a 3:28:52.360 --> 3:28:55.000 little right up on what this network of churches believes. 3:28:55.160 --> 3:28:58.480 Like everyone you heard talk talk inside the Sodomite Deception 3:28:58.560 --> 3:29:01.440 trailer is part of this network of churches. Um, they're 3:29:01.440 --> 3:29:03.680 all across the South, some of them, and some summer 3:29:03.760 --> 3:29:10.000 in like California, Arizona, Idaho, oh, Oklahoma, Texas, you know, 3:29:10.160 --> 3:29:13.160 lots of other Southern states. And if you want to 3:29:13.200 --> 3:29:17.000 carry out a sodomite deception, tape your drugs to your 3:29:17.120 --> 3:29:23.560 junk when you drive through Texas. So thankfully, churches like 3:29:23.680 --> 3:29:27.440 these are not standing unopposed. Specifically in the Dallas Fort 3:29:27.440 --> 3:29:30.360 Worth area, there has been a number of protests at 3:29:30.400 --> 3:29:33.240 the church's old location, which resulted in them getting evicted, 3:29:33.720 --> 3:29:36.720 and protests at their new location. I'm gonna place some 3:29:36.800 --> 3:29:40.280 audio from from protests that have taken taken place over 3:29:40.320 --> 3:29:45.640 the course of the past few weeks. We're here to 3:29:46.000 --> 3:29:49.320 protest that has Baptist churches to the registered hate group 3:29:49.360 --> 3:29:52.800 here in Texas on spl center dot org. We protested 3:29:52.879 --> 3:29:56.840 them and harst for non months. We found them here 3:29:56.959 --> 3:29:59.840 and so we are back every Wednesday and every Sunday. 3:30:00.720 --> 3:30:04.279 I am a mom of a kid from the LGBTQ community, 3:30:04.440 --> 3:30:06.560 and I am not going to stand for you wishing 3:30:06.680 --> 3:30:09.440 death upon my kid just because of who he is 3:30:09.480 --> 3:30:14.200 and who knows. It's extremely exhausting, um, but at the 3:30:14.280 --> 3:30:18.320 same time, it's very reassuring because we get nothing but 3:30:18.560 --> 3:30:20.600 support from the people on the street to drive by 3:30:20.680 --> 3:30:23.840 and give us plenty of hans and wives and it's 3:30:23.879 --> 3:30:25.840 just so much love and support from the people that 3:30:25.920 --> 3:30:28.320 live in the community here as well as first that's 3:30:28.360 --> 3:30:31.080 my city, so it's very personal. And I've noticed that 3:30:31.200 --> 3:30:33.400 we've gotten a lot of new people come out here 3:30:33.800 --> 3:30:36.000 because this is their sit and it's personal for death. 3:30:36.600 --> 3:30:39.480 So that's that's pretty good to hear that there's actually 3:30:39.520 --> 3:30:42.880 people standing up to to say, hey, these guys suck. 3:30:42.959 --> 3:30:46.760 In person. Uh, there probably should be more people going 3:30:46.840 --> 3:30:50.240 in person because once you like, the church is obviously 3:30:50.320 --> 3:30:53.480 facing a lot of a lot of confrontations like online 3:30:53.520 --> 3:30:55.560 and stuff. Right, they're facing a lot of online pushback, 3:30:55.959 --> 3:30:57.640 but once you bring it into the real world, it 3:30:57.720 --> 3:31:01.560 definitely it's a only different thing in terms of how 3:31:02.200 --> 3:31:04.200 how they're being viewed. I mean in some ways, you know, 3:31:04.320 --> 3:31:07.760 they enjoy being persecuted, right, they enjoy the notion of 3:31:07.840 --> 3:31:10.880 Christian persecution. But also it's great to have, you know, 3:31:10.959 --> 3:31:14.840 people waving Pride flags outside their little church every Sunday. Um. 3:31:16.240 --> 3:31:20.080 The church still has an active Instagram page um, and 3:31:20.160 --> 3:31:22.680 still has a Twitter account, but their actual tweets do 3:31:22.879 --> 3:31:26.480 keep getting taken down for hate speech. UM. A week ago, 3:31:26.800 --> 3:31:32.760 YouTube striked Steadfast's main channel where they post videos and sermons. 3:31:33.600 --> 3:31:36.480 As they weren't able to use their main channel on Facebook, 3:31:36.520 --> 3:31:38.879 they began promoting their second YouTube channel as a platform 3:31:38.959 --> 3:31:42.360 to stream their murderous anti gay hate sermons during Pride Month, 3:31:42.879 --> 3:31:45.200 and a few days after I posted about that on Twitter, 3:31:45.560 --> 3:31:49.160 their secondary YouTube got completely banned, and then after a 3:31:49.240 --> 3:31:53.040 few days their Facebook page was also taken down. So 3:31:53.360 --> 3:31:55.320 they are they do have, They do have a shrinking 3:31:55.360 --> 3:31:59.400 online presence. There's this other clip from the Sodomite Deception 3:31:59.440 --> 3:32:01.760 trailer that I think really gives you a peek into 3:32:01.840 --> 3:32:04.360 the minds of these folks who are pushing this sort 3:32:04.400 --> 3:32:06.640 of stuff. Um. And you can even see this the 3:32:06.680 --> 3:32:10.400 same sentiment, uh in the rise of white nationalism and 3:32:10.480 --> 3:32:14.000 West premacy, this past a decade. And my question is 3:32:14.320 --> 3:32:16.720 why are we embracing all this change as person to 3:32:16.840 --> 3:32:20.119 the Bible change. The Bible radically changed ten years ago, 3:32:21.000 --> 3:32:24.560 my King James. Bible hasn't changed the work since it 3:32:24.680 --> 3:32:28.560 was translated in sixteen eleven period, So why in the 3:32:28.680 --> 3:32:33.680 world is everything changing. It's not from God, that's for sure. 3:32:34.080 --> 3:32:37.320 You know what's coming from the working of Satan. He's 3:32:37.360 --> 3:32:41.560 deceiving people thinking all all this normal now. So our 3:32:41.680 --> 3:32:44.760 our challenge, as people who are you know, anti fascists, 3:32:44.920 --> 3:32:48.800 people who stand against you know, our anti racist, pushback 3:32:48.840 --> 3:32:53.400 against this type of anti queer um organizing, our Our 3:32:53.400 --> 3:32:55.760 our challenge is to keep the change coming and to 3:32:56.360 --> 3:32:58.840 push back against these freaks trying to hold onto the 3:32:58.879 --> 3:33:02.720 twentieth century right. The fear of change and the fear 3:33:02.760 --> 3:33:06.360 of the future is driving their you know, desire to 3:33:06.440 --> 3:33:09.640 return to the past. The train of like social progress 3:33:09.959 --> 3:33:12.480 was moving forward over the course of the past twenty years, 3:33:12.640 --> 3:33:15.600 and they're scared and they're trying to stop it and 3:33:15.720 --> 3:33:20.280 move it backwards. And it's up to us to make 3:33:20.360 --> 3:33:24.000 that as hard as possible. Um. But yeah, that is 3:33:24.160 --> 3:33:28.040 that is my that is my stuff on on Staidfast church. 3:33:28.840 --> 3:33:30.960 I'm now going to open up, open up the floor 3:33:31.160 --> 3:33:34.840 to anyone. Robert Chris, what do you guys think of 3:33:35.040 --> 3:33:37.280 all of the stuff we just heard about the past 3:33:37.360 --> 3:33:42.200 thirty minutes. One of the keys is you want to 3:33:42.400 --> 3:33:45.160 use tape that has a good level of adhesion but 3:33:45.280 --> 3:33:49.160 isn't going to actually damage your skin. Really, Yeah, like 3:33:49.240 --> 3:33:50.840 scott tape. What are we what are we doing here? 3:33:51.040 --> 3:33:53.480 Scotch tape will do, okay, you really want to avoid 3:33:53.600 --> 3:33:56.000 duct tape, but something like painters tape generally isn't going 3:33:56.040 --> 3:33:58.600 to have the adhesion that you need. Um, it's gonna 3:33:58.600 --> 3:34:01.080 be a little bit unpleasant any time you're taking tape 3:34:01.160 --> 3:34:03.360 off of and I do recommend actually putting it like 3:34:03.440 --> 3:34:06.039 more in the taint area or the inner thigh. You're 3:34:06.040 --> 3:34:08.600 gonna have a better better experience. You might want to 3:34:08.680 --> 3:34:11.240 shave that inner thigh if you're not somebody who does normally, 3:34:11.320 --> 3:34:12.920 just so that you have a better time getting your 3:34:13.000 --> 3:34:16.560 drugs free. But you know, crotch it. That's always been 3:34:16.600 --> 3:34:22.080 my motto. Just crotch it again. Great, great, great, great 3:34:22.160 --> 3:34:25.680 Texas insight coming coming out of Robert Evans here. No, 3:34:25.840 --> 3:34:28.720 I mean, like, okay, so seriously, the fact that there's 3:34:28.760 --> 3:34:31.680 been resistance to these folks in the street. Um, and 3:34:31.760 --> 3:34:35.400 that it's been significant that they've like not just people 3:34:35.480 --> 3:34:37.480 showing up to yell at them and approach them in 3:34:37.520 --> 3:34:40.160 the moment, but people you know, working to get them 3:34:40.240 --> 3:34:45.080 kicked out of their locations and stuff. Um. That's really good. Um. 3:34:45.440 --> 3:34:48.760 And that's that's honestly more the Texas that I have 3:34:49.000 --> 3:34:51.040 known than or at least it's as much of the 3:34:51.120 --> 3:34:53.600 Texas that I've known as like the shitty things that 3:34:53.800 --> 3:34:56.920 this says about Texas. Um. First protest I ever went 3:34:57.040 --> 3:34:59.840 to was against a church like this who you've probably 3:35:00.000 --> 3:35:02.600 out of, the Westboro Baptist Church when they showed up 3:35:02.600 --> 3:35:10.680 to protest at the Holocaust Museum. Uh. Um. And it 3:35:10.800 --> 3:35:13.080 was like like a whole hundreds of people showed up 3:35:13.080 --> 3:35:15.520 to like and there were like six of those fuckers. UM. 3:35:16.480 --> 3:35:21.200 So I mean, the problem with Texas has never been that, Um, 3:35:22.080 --> 3:35:24.320 there aren't a lot of awesome people in Texas. It's 3:35:24.400 --> 3:35:28.400 that folks like this, these who really want to use 3:35:28.520 --> 3:35:31.080 the mechanisms of the state to carry out a genocide, 3:35:31.400 --> 3:35:35.760 have a lot of friends in high places. And many 3:35:35.840 --> 3:35:39.760 of those folks spent decades ensharing that it's basically impossible 3:35:39.840 --> 3:35:43.960 for anybody else to win election outside of like you know, 3:35:44.240 --> 3:35:47.199 local elections and cities and stuff, which often city governments 3:35:47.240 --> 3:35:48.680 in Texas. Again, if you look at a lot of 3:35:48.720 --> 3:35:52.880 the the reaction to Abbot's anti trans bills and where 3:35:52.920 --> 3:35:56.480 will be sort of the the actual resistance is Texas 3:35:56.560 --> 3:36:00.080 is anti gay legislation gets more extreme um is in 3:36:00.280 --> 3:36:03.520 cities like Dallas and Austin and Houston. And it is 3:36:03.640 --> 3:36:07.280 like local laws and local local elected leaders as well 3:36:07.320 --> 3:36:11.680 as local activists who represent an awful lot of Texas 3:36:11.879 --> 3:36:15.240 but and you know, don't have any real power in 3:36:15.320 --> 3:36:17.760 the levers of the state. But do you tend to 3:36:18.040 --> 3:36:20.160 stand up and in a lot of cases like people 3:36:20.200 --> 3:36:25.520 did for some of these these events in Dallas recently 3:36:25.600 --> 3:36:28.880 put their bodies, you know, in between fascists and the 3:36:28.920 --> 3:36:31.440 people they're threatening. And I mean the new I f B. 3:36:31.600 --> 3:36:35.160 Churches are definitely probably a more extreme, more explicit than 3:36:35.640 --> 3:36:38.440 most of your average Christian churches. But it is not 3:36:38.760 --> 3:36:42.880 uncommon to preach this general strain of homophobia. Maybe it 3:36:42.959 --> 3:36:45.320 turned down like one notch of the dial from the 3:36:45.400 --> 3:36:51.360 pulpit in the majority of of of churches, specifically in 3:36:51.440 --> 3:36:56.800 the South. Um, yeah, you don't. We should be lighting 3:36:56.800 --> 3:36:58.920 these people against wall and killing them. But you say that, 3:36:59.440 --> 3:37:01.840 you know this is not biblical. You know we're supposed 3:37:01.840 --> 3:37:05.400 to live in a biblical society. And you say everything, 3:37:05.520 --> 3:37:09.560 but that last like ten or Fife. It's the it is. 3:37:10.080 --> 3:37:16.119 It is not like this strain of homophobia is has 3:37:16.240 --> 3:37:21.360 been there this this entire time. Um, And people of 3:37:21.879 --> 3:37:24.000 I feel like they have permission to say things now 3:37:24.080 --> 3:37:27.320 that they honestly wouldn't probably wouldn't have said as explicitly 3:37:27.440 --> 3:37:31.560 like five years ago. Um. But there was there's always 3:37:31.600 --> 3:37:33.920 been people working to keep this thing within the culture. 3:37:34.120 --> 3:37:37.560 As as stuff was progressing socially, there was people working 3:37:37.959 --> 3:37:40.920 to keep this type of bigotry still alive in large 3:37:40.920 --> 3:37:43.840 sectors of the American public. And a lot of those 3:37:43.879 --> 3:37:46.360 sectors are related to Evangelical Christianity, and a lot of 3:37:46.600 --> 3:37:50.160 those sectors are really related to the communities around church building. 3:37:51.600 --> 3:37:54.960 So that's like a big part and how Christian fascism 3:37:55.000 --> 3:37:58.040 has been so effective the past that you know, like 3:37:58.120 --> 3:38:00.720 that basically the past decades, starting starting with the Tea Party, 3:38:01.480 --> 3:38:06.000 is that they've had people with vested interests like keeping 3:38:06.080 --> 3:38:09.879 this stuff afloat I mean, uh, Lips of TikTok receives 3:38:09.959 --> 3:38:12.640 her funding from Seth Dillon, the guy who runs The 3:38:12.680 --> 3:38:16.320 Babylon B, which started as a Christian satire site. Um 3:38:16.720 --> 3:38:19.800 like now Elon Musk's favorite place on the Internet, which 3:38:19.879 --> 3:38:22.480 is wild, I mean, but but yeah, like like you know, 3:38:22.560 --> 3:38:25.400 like I I remember reading The Babylon B when I 3:38:25.520 --> 3:38:27.440 was like fucking twelve years old, when I was like 3:38:27.600 --> 3:38:30.080 a Christian kid like I. It was just like like 3:38:30.720 --> 3:38:33.120 it used to be just a small, niche Christian site 3:38:33.560 --> 3:38:36.200 and now it grew into this you know, big powerful 3:38:36.240 --> 3:38:40.039 force in a modern conservatism. It is directly funding Lips 3:38:40.040 --> 3:38:42.040 of TikTok, which is basically now just a gun that 3:38:42.160 --> 3:38:45.800 gets pointed at whatever you know, targeted event that that 3:38:46.200 --> 3:38:49.440 they want. So it's now it's like this completely like 3:38:49.480 --> 3:38:52.680 AstroTurf thing with all of this funding and people choosing 3:38:52.720 --> 3:38:55.320 what events to target. So like it all goes back 3:38:55.400 --> 3:38:58.080 to this, It all goes back to these types of 3:38:58.200 --> 3:39:01.000 churches and this type of this type of rhetoric coming 3:39:01.040 --> 3:39:06.360 out of you know, these few misinterpreted Biblical passages. It 3:39:06.560 --> 3:39:10.240 is weird, how Like I mean, when I was you know, 3:39:10.720 --> 3:39:15.560 a teenager, when you talked about like Christian entertainment, Christian comedy, 3:39:15.800 --> 3:39:19.800 Christian music, Christian media. You meant, like the most boring 3:39:20.000 --> 3:39:23.160 milk toast ship and the planet. Like not that there 3:39:23.280 --> 3:39:26.520 wasn't toxic and hateful ship within being preached in churches, 3:39:26.600 --> 3:39:30.080 but like Christian media was, like it was pretty hard 3:39:30.160 --> 3:39:33.480 to be offended and most of it. And now when 3:39:33.560 --> 3:39:35.520 you say that, like you immediately go to like, oh, yeah, 3:39:35.520 --> 3:39:39.720 somebody's trying to get gay people murdered. Um, Yeah, it's 3:39:39.760 --> 3:39:43.080 something else. Yeah, there's been a large increase in the 3:39:43.200 --> 3:39:47.400 militancy of Christian propaganda and posing you know, stuff that 3:39:47.480 --> 3:39:49.600 used to be just very like very boring milk like 3:39:49.720 --> 3:39:54.000 milk toast and like still very like you know, patriarchal, heteronormative, 3:39:54.520 --> 3:40:00.240 you know, probably low key white supremacist um is not. Yeah, 3:40:00.320 --> 3:40:03.240 now lots of the propaganda is way more focused in 3:40:03.680 --> 3:40:07.520 this type of militant Christianity UM and focused on you know, 3:40:07.920 --> 3:40:10.080 all all of like the end times. Stuff's gotten so 3:40:10.200 --> 3:40:14.440 much more more of a thing um and just how 3:40:14.520 --> 3:40:21.520 it relates to like physical violence against currently living people anyway. Yeah, 3:40:22.040 --> 3:40:25.720 that's the that's the Steadfast Baptist Church and the Sodomite 3:40:25.800 --> 3:40:30.320 deception Um brought to you by people out of Dallas. 3:40:30.520 --> 3:40:32.720 So yeah, those are my Those are my two episodes. 3:40:32.800 --> 3:40:36.039 I mean we started first episode this week was part one. 3:40:36.160 --> 3:40:39.160 Last episode this week is part two, so they're spread out, 3:40:39.280 --> 3:40:43.360 but those are those are my two two episodes on 3:40:43.879 --> 3:40:47.440 the City of the Homophobia and Christian Fascism inside the 3:40:47.520 --> 3:40:50.640 City of Hate. Look, if you want to help out, 3:40:51.280 --> 3:40:55.320 find the addresses of one of these churches. Now, the 3:40:55.440 --> 3:40:57.440 next thing you're gonna do is you're going to find 3:40:57.480 --> 3:41:00.680 a good Torrent client and you're gonna download a DVD 3:41:00.840 --> 3:41:03.080 rip of Morbius. There's a lot of them out there. 3:41:03.440 --> 3:41:05.600 Then you're gonna burn that. You may need to buy 3:41:05.680 --> 3:41:07.360 a burner. It's a lot of people aren't going to 3:41:07.440 --> 3:41:10.120 have this equipment. But you're gonna burn that onto a DVD. 3:41:10.560 --> 3:41:12.160 You can also put it on a flash drive if 3:41:12.160 --> 3:41:14.600 you really wanted. And then you're just gonna start mailing 3:41:14.680 --> 3:41:17.520 those in mass to the church. If we get them 3:41:17.680 --> 3:41:20.240 enough copies of Morbius, I think we might be able 3:41:20.280 --> 3:41:23.160 to turn them around. Hey, we'll be back Monday with 3:41:23.440 --> 3:41:26.240 more episodes every week from now until the heat death 3:41:26.280 --> 3:41:28.840 of the Universe. It could happen here is a production 3:41:28.879 --> 3:41:31.879 of cool zone Media. 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