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Speaker 1: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be nothing new here for you, but you

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Speaker 1: can make your own decisions. Your children should be home.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to It could have happened here today. We are

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Speaker 1: talking about something that did happen just a few days ago,

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Speaker 1: similar subsequent attacks that are most likely going to take

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Speaker 1: place throughout this next month. I'm Person Davis with me?

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Speaker 1: Is Chris Hello? Ready ready to hear about a lot

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Speaker 1: of threats of genocide and a whole bunch of audio

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Speaker 1: clips of fascists? You know? Okay, I got I got

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Speaker 1: one episode where there was like a pretty clean win

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to go back to getting exterminated. This is

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Speaker 1: so this episode is going to be kind of I

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Speaker 1: don't speak German style, I guess if if we were

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Speaker 1: quote Mega Drag Thread. They say it's innocent. They say

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Speaker 1: trying to confuse corrupt or sexualized kids. They lie. Increasingly,

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Speaker 1: many on the far right are targeting family friendly drag events,

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Speaker 1: The Gundalane event in Idaho was precursored by a whole

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Speaker 1: far right group called Protect Texas Kids, who had also

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Speaker 1: a gaggle of far right grifting videographers who quote infiltrated

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Speaker 1: viral propaganda. There was a very good article by Melissa

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Speaker 1: Geara Grant published a few days after the incident titled

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Speaker 1: a Pizza Gate in Every City, with the subheading quote

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Speaker 1: these conspiracy theories were once fringe. Now they're being fueled

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Speaker 1: the homophobic and transphobic violence that is advocated or physically

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Speaker 1: committed is truly seen as like righteously justified by those

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Speaker 1: how to effectively frame bigoted violence as a moral imperative

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Speaker 1: simply as a way to encourage attacks on their own

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Speaker 1: ideological enemies. SIME. The far right conservatives and fascists who

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Speaker 1: event was over by fascists. The Elm Fork John Brown

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Speaker 1: police should quote go in there and put bullets in

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Speaker 1: harkening back to the very real history of police's willingness

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Speaker 1: I've had conversations with people who are like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you hide your face? Is it because you're committing crimes?

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Speaker 1: Maybe it crimes against children, So they hide their face

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Speaker 1: because they're too scared of being identified as pedophiles and groomers. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you see this. This is a constant reoccurrence

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Speaker 1: with antifa and with left wing anarchist groups, and they'll

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Speaker 1: hide their face because they think they're all tough and

435
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: hard in big groups. But the minute that they're solowed

436
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: down and or actually ask questions, they have nothing to

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00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: say about their ideology, their beliefs, about the fact that

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00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: they are actually the fascist here in this situation. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd really like to just get one word

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Speaker 1: out of you, ma'am, because I mean, you just want

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Speaker 1: to be so silent, but you're so humiently defending this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you have anything to say one more chance?

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Speaker 1: They know they're saying ridiculous things like none of which

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00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: reads as genuine, Like they know the absurdity of their

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00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: own replies. In their podcasts, they talk about how disgusted

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00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: they were watching people dance together, but in their own

447
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: videos they're smiling, like relaxed, excited about what's going on

448
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: and how they'll spend whatever is happening to boost their career.

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00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: If they were actually concerned about children, they wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: having little giggle fests will inside events like the is

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Speaker 1: right they call it a child grooming event, and they

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Speaker 1: are not acting like there's anything bad happening, like you

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Speaker 1: can say like, oh, they're trying to play cool because

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00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: they're doing infiltration. Like no, they're just being chill like

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00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: they're they're giggling and laughing and looking like look at

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00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: this gay people doing these things. I can't wait to

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00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: use footage of this to boost my career and misrepresented

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00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: to a wider audience. We're in this like post irony

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00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: world in many In many aspects, the level of sincerity

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00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: does not actually matter, right. All it's necessary is saying

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00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: the lines from the script that the audience wants to hear.

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00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: It's like algorithmically generated politics. You can talk about how

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Speaker 1: victims of sexual abuse should themselves be locked up so

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Speaker 1: they won't go on to abuse of the people in

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Speaker 1: the future, and even though you look at the camera

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Speaker 1: at the end and give a knowing smirk, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter because you're just saying the things that are gonna

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Speaker 1: get traction, and you're saying the things that your misogynist

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Speaker 1: audience wants to hear. Here's the turning point USA represent

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Speaker 1: that of Isabelle Riley on the Blaze Media podcast, who

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Speaker 1: at the end of the clip does indeed give a

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Speaker 1: very knowing look to camera and a little smirk. Should

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Speaker 1: we lock up people that I've had sexual Toronto in

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Speaker 1: their childhood because they tend to become abusers in the future.

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Speaker 1: Also just a few of their notes on this on

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Speaker 1: this Blaze Media podcast. So I I listened to this

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Speaker 1: whole podcast like twice to get to get clips for

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Speaker 1: my coverage here and just to kind of get a

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Speaker 1: sense of what they were doing. Um, what one of

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Speaker 1: the speakers on the on the podcast blamed like the

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Speaker 1: recent mass shootings on the presence of nearby sex shops. Um.

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Speaker 1: Some of the videographers who were on the show went

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Speaker 1: on to Alex Jones's show the next day. You know

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Speaker 1: it was it was full of pretty I mean, it

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00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: was pretty bad homophobic rhetoric, but I mean it's just

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Speaker 1: so ever present that it's hard to even selectively get

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Speaker 1: certain clips of it. Like they were doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of work to to tie mental illness to gainness, saying

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Speaker 1: that these two things were like intrinsically linked and that

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Speaker 1: if we just locked up more into mentally ill people

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Speaker 1: in institutions, we wouldn't have as many gay people. I think.

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Speaker 1: The other interesting thing that I found to be really

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Speaker 1: funny in the podcast is that for for their first

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Speaker 1: ad break, they were selling testosterone boosting supplements. So in this,

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Speaker 1: in this very like anti trans like podcast, the first

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Speaker 1: product they were selling was supplements to boost your natural

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Speaker 1: mail to stosterone. And it's just very funny because like

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Speaker 1: they're you know, they're talking about how evil a turkey

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Speaker 1: is and how evil and irreversible it is, and then

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Speaker 1: they're also selling things that are supposed to boost testosterone levels. Right,

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00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: like we are in a post iro any world. It

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00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: doesn't like this anyway. Here's here's one more clip from

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Speaker 1: the podcast, talking about how the bigoted community is so diverse,

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00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: and you'll notice to our group was very dime verse,

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Speaker 1: which I think we made this point yesterday as well.

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00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: The bigoted community is so accepting. All you have to

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Speaker 1: be is also bigoted, and you're allowed to hang out

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Speaker 1: with us. And so we had this nice mob of

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Speaker 1: well dressed, handsome young guys to go confront these people

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Speaker 1: because no one else would. All right, that is that

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Speaker 1: is enough of that um on onto our final section

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Speaker 1: of the day, so Texas based journalist Stephen Moncelli reported

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Speaker 1: that later that same night of the drag event, incidents

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Speaker 1: that police categorized as terroristic threats of an anti homosexual

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Speaker 1: nature were reported by bar owners in the same neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: After the event, the venue and gay bar released a

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Speaker 1: media statement saying that it's weekly drag brunches are normally

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Speaker 1: for guests who are twenty one and over, but decided

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Speaker 1: to host a special Pride drag brunch for all guests,

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Speaker 1: including those who can't attend other drag shows because of

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Speaker 1: the drinking age restrictions, and as a part to raise

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Speaker 1: money for a local l g B t Q youth organization,

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Speaker 1: adding that it was quote more than happy to open

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Speaker 1: our doors to celebrate Pride in a family friendly, safe

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Speaker 1: environment because we believe that everyone should have a space

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Speaker 1: to be able to celebrate who they are. Unquote. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna read another quote from uh I think

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Speaker 1: this is this is our last quote from Pizza Gate

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Speaker 1: in every city, quote the street confrontation, to video, to

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Speaker 1: Fox News to Republican Party. Pipeline took only a little

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Speaker 1: more than two days to complete. By the next Monday,

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Speaker 1: Texas Republicans state Representative Brian Slayton cited the Protect Texas

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Speaker 1: Kids attack on the Dallas event in his announcement to

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Speaker 1: introduce quote a bill to ban drag shows in the

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Speaker 1: presence of miners in Texas unquote. A Florida state representative

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Speaker 1: pledged to follow suit. US representatives Marjorie Taylor Green and

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Speaker 1: Lauren Bobbert voiced their support. By then, Protect Texas Kids

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Speaker 1: had already moved on to a new target, an lgbt

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Speaker 1: Q affirming church that was having a service next to Sunday,

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Speaker 1: and the group had already announced several more plans to

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Speaker 1: protest LGBTQ spaces this month. What we are already seeing

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Speaker 1: this Pride season is alarming, but it did not come

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Speaker 1: out of nowhere. There's a continuation of campaigns targeting drag

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Speaker 1: queen story hours. It was fed by Republican attacks on

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Speaker 1: queer and trans kids in the state legislators across the country,

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Speaker 1: and it is coordinated by people on the far right

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Speaker 1: who have names and very specific movement affiliations. As these

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Speaker 1: threats continue, as they generate yet more videos of confrontations,

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Speaker 1: they may also give heft to the lie that supporting

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Speaker 1: lgbt Q youth is grooming and that queer community spaces

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Speaker 1: are commercial settings for child abuse. No Republican would say

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Speaker 1: the Pizza Gate shooter had a point, but now simply

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Speaker 1: based on videos of deliberate conversations with kids at Pride events,

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Speaker 1: they're happy to co sign unquote. While make Is won't

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00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: be able to consider a Slantin's proposal on a statewide

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00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: band of kids being around drag performances until the tenth

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Speaker 1: of January, which is when the next Texas legislative session

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Speaker 1: kicks off. But if the no Drag around miners lug

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Speaker 1: it's enacted, that could have many many ramifications depending on enforcement.

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Speaker 1: One possible scenario is not being allowed to have dray

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Speaker 1: get Pride, or people under the age of eighteen just

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Speaker 1: not being allowed to attend Pride all right, because those

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Speaker 1: if you're having a Pride Pride and the drike performers

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Speaker 1: and the kids there, now that's a crying You're all

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Speaker 1: going to jail. Um. You could also just see this

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Speaker 1: as an attempt by Texas to recriminalize cross dressing, because

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Speaker 1: by and large, drag shows and events are usually taking

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Speaker 1: place at twenty one and up bars. Right, generally unless

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Speaker 1: it's the drag time storytime stuff like drags not around

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Speaker 1: kids super often, right, and including like very like non

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Speaker 1: sexual dragons. That's just because of because of how laws

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Speaker 1: work around bars us. Usually those things don't have much crossover.

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Speaker 1: But that's not what they're targeting though, right. They just

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Speaker 1: don't want gay people or men in dresses to be

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Speaker 1: around kids. Right. If you're seeing cross dressing while a

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Speaker 1: child is nearby, now that's a drag show. You're going

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Speaker 1: to jail. And if you think a ban on quote

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Speaker 1: drag in front of children won't be applied to just

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Speaker 1: trans people existing in public, then again, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what to tell you because depending on how they define

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Speaker 1: what drag is like, they're not limiting this to like

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Speaker 1: drag shows. They're talking about men in dresses like that.

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Speaker 1: That's that's what it's going to be. Because they're targeting

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Speaker 1: library events, they're targeting events in public. It's not it's

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Speaker 1: not about like drag shows with tickets and stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: about men wearing dresses or you know, in the in

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Speaker 1: the case the trans people just existing. Here here's the

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Speaker 1: Helm of Public Avengers talking about the introduced legislation after

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00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: their little propaganda campaign. But wow, the guys, we really

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Speaker 1: did and I'm not trying to pat ourselves on the back,

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00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: but which Brian Slaton with the legislation he's trying to

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00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: put through exposing these people. We really did take a

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Speaker 1: wt in the culture battle. We didn't win the culture warrior.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen such enough I mean

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Speaker 1: an after effect of an event. I mean in positivity

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Speaker 1: for us. I mean, I don't think I've ever seen,

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00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of journalists go and expose an

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Speaker 1: event like this and then have actual legislation drafted almost

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Speaker 1: immediately after. I think this is a new sphere that

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Speaker 1: we're entering in, and I think, I mean, we got

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Speaker 1: a freaking role with Yeah. I really hope that the

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Speaker 1: momentum is maintained. To close off I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: riff off a point made by Stephen Moncelli. At what

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Speaker 1: point will become clear to those in media who run

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00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: quotes or use selective footage from these people that intentionally

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00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: obscure the extreme nature of their beliefs. Right, These these

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00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: are not like simple economic conservatives. However, if contemporary mainstream

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Speaker 1: conservatives are willing to accept this sort of politics in

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Speaker 1: their movement. Then it's the case that mainstream conservatism in

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00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: America has become almost indistinguishable from fascism. Much of the

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Speaker 1: coverage of the protest of this Pride event gives credibility

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00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: to the fascist side, basically endorsing their homophobic framing, positioning

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00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: the drag performers as somehow inherently sexual for wearing them

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Speaker 1: outfits and doing dances that are in reality more conservative

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Speaker 1: than your basic high school cheerleading team. Mainstream media and pundance,

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Speaker 1: and even some leftist ones quote like quote unquote leftist

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Speaker 1: pundance fell for the bait and treated kids playing musical

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Speaker 1: chairs with people in drag and giving the performers cash

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00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: from their parents as more inappropriate than the mob of

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Speaker 1: open fascists hurling verbal abuse at kids and chasing them

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Speaker 1: down as they head to their cars. So that is

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Speaker 1: my little right up on what has happened in dal

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Speaker 1: Us last week. Um, they are the Protect Texas Kids

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Speaker 1: group is planning more and more events in Texas for

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Speaker 1: for four Pride months. It's they're they're they're they're targeting

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Speaker 1: not just events with kids, they're also targeting twenty one

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Speaker 1: and up drag brunches. They're targeting churches. They're doing the

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Speaker 1: bit right there doing the thing, and people really fell

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Speaker 1: for the bait on this one. People really did. Um.

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Speaker 1: If I've seen all of the videos from the events,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing inherently sexual about these people's style of dancing,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing inherently sexual about their outfits. Right, playing with

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Speaker 1: gender isn't inherently sexual. It's playing with gender. It's these

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Speaker 1: are those are two different things. Um so, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of a lot of people

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Speaker 1: fell fell for the bit um. A lot of people

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00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: took the bait. We're sharing photos and being like, look this,

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Speaker 1: how can you defend this? So, like defend what it's

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00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: people dancing you would see, you would see it's it's

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Speaker 1: the dances are not like, they're not about sex, they're

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Speaker 1: not imitating sex acts. It's just it's fun and chill. Um.

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Speaker 1: People got really mad at there was there was a

643
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: sign at the at the venue that was an innuendo,

644
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: and there's a ice cream shop like a block away

645
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: from the venue with the very same sign. Um, they're

646
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: not actually mad about that, Like, that's not what they're

647
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: actually mad about. Because you can walk down the street

648
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: and look at so many, so many things. They're innuendoes

649
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: if you want, if you watch a Pixar movie right there,

650
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: there will there will be anuendos. That's not what they're

651
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: talking about. They're talking about gay people being around kids,

652
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: and I would like for people to stop falling for debate. Anyway,

653
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: I'm we're gonna be doing another episode on the City

654
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: of Hate, on the homophobook stuff in Dallas later later

655
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: this week, and we're gonna be talking about Steadfast Church.

656
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm still writing that episode at the moment, but I'm

657
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: planning to put that out later this week as well.

658
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: And depending how the Gunderline event went to Idaho and

659
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: the various other things, I'm sure we'll be talking more

660
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: about this type of stuff as as Pride goes on.

661
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, Chris, any thoughts on the word vomit? I

662
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: just gave it for the past forty minutes, you know,

663
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: and mostly just like I don't know, it's it's we.

664
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: We We've somehow managed to create a version of like

665
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 1: the like worst at parts of like the queer Bashing

666
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: two thousand's, but like even worse, because now there's there's

667
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: an even larger media cycle around it, And like, I

668
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: think it's worth mentioning that, like one of the ways

669
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: that stuff ended was that like a lot of people,

670
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: most of them would were like like systons, straight right people,

671
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who weren't queer. We're just like

672
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: literally fucked this and started attacking people back. And you know,

673
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: you see the working clas neighborhoods right there. There'd be

674
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: a period of time where you have these evangelical churches

675
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: who are just you know, like openly insiding attacks on

676
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: people until they got the ship beat out of them

677
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: by a bunch of working class kids. And that's when

678
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: that ship stopped. And unless we fucking fight these people,

679
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: they're going to keep doing this until people start getting murdered.

680
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: And I guess I know a more positiing to end

681
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: on would be saying big thank you to everyone who

682
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: showed up to physically oppose this. UM. When I was

683
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: listening to the Homophobic Avengers podcast, John Doyle said that

684
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: there was a few points where he was scared. Um.

685
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: There were some people who some some people wearing like

686
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: pride bandanas and stuff who had handguns, um, and he

687
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: did not John Doyle did not like that. At one

688
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: point he talked about how he was heading to his

689
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: car and there was in the counter the counter demonstrators

690
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: were following him to make sure he was actually going

691
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: to leave UM and he saw that some of the

692
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: people were carrying UM and he freaked out. He screamed

693
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: for police, and he's said that these people were threatening

694
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: to shoot him, UM, which is mean, just an attempt

695
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: to get police to shoot the Canadas traders, right, like

696
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's just it's John Doyle screaming. These

697
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: people have guns, They're trying to shoot me, right And

698
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: even though they were, they weren't even holding their guns.

699
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: They were they were they were they were just having guns.

700
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: But like, these people can't be scared. And again, no

701
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: one was even violent against John Doyle. That was just

702
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: people who were who were carrying standing near him UM.

703
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: And I just big thank you to everybody who showed

704
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: up to try to prevent these fascists from chasing down

705
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: these kids, from hurling abuse at these kids. UM. I

706
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: would recommend you follow uh the elm Fork John Brown

707
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: Gun Club on Twitter. They did a really good job

708
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: documenting this UM and then for the stuff in Idaho,

709
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: you can follow Redoubt anti fascists. Um, those those would

710
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: be the two the two people I say to follow

711
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: on Twitter right now. Um for attracting these attacks on

712
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: pride in Texas and inside Idaho. Um, I guess that's

713
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: that's think. Yeah, yeah, I guess The last thing I

714
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: would say is just like it's important to remember that

715
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: unlike a lot of the periods in queer history, like

716
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: these people are actually a minority, and and like they're

717
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: trying to regress, right, like they we've already got to

718
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: this point, they're trying to pull it back. Yeah, this

719
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: is kind of a new thing, but it's like but yeah,

720
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: but it's like listening, like we like on unlike the

721
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: fucking seventies, Like we are actually the solent majority here

722
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: and if enough people fucking show up, And just like

723
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: these people need to be framed as Yeah, I excuse

724
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: my I guess semi ablest language here, but like I

725
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: deal with my ideal, mental ideal, with mental health issues

726
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: of my own, but like, these people need need to

727
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: be framed as whack ups, right they these people need

728
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: need to be framed as frames. These people need to

729
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: be framed as as crazy extremists. They need they need

730
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: to be belittled, they need to be put down, They

731
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: need to be they need to be viewed as as

732
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: as as pathetic as is scared, right like that, that's

733
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: the way to do successful proprianda framing, um, because they

734
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: need to be they need to stay outside the majority,

735
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: right like, they need to be mothered. That's the way

736
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: to win this, right that That's the thing they always

737
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: That's the thing they always try to do, right, That's

738
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: why they always try to frame gay people as being

739
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: severely mentally ill a the time, right like that. That

740
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: that's all what they try to do. And because enough

741
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: of progress has happened, we we just need to defend

742
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: the line that is already drawn because like like I

743
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: said before, right like, these people are not regular economic conservatives,

744
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: right but if mainstream and conservatism is going to be

745
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: is cont is going to continue to accept this politics

746
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: in their movement, then mainstream conservatism will be the same

747
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: as fascism. Right. So you need to point at the

748
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: people like John Doyle, point at the people who call

749
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: themselves Christian fascists and be so demeaning to them, um

750
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: and so making them feel so separate from every part

751
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: of regular social life, and because their whole goals to

752
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: integrate themselves into the larger conservative movement, integrate themselves into

753
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: larger American politics, and that can't happen. Welcome to it

754
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: could happen? Here a podcast where you all keep telling

755
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: me that we keep doing depressing episodes and we never

756
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: do any episodes that aren't dumerism. So today this is

757
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: a podcast about how you can find the people who

758
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: are making your life really bad and make bad things

759
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: happen to them instead. And with me to talk about

760
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: how this has been done and also can be done,

761
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: is Janet you, who is a tenant organizer with the

762
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: Chinatown Community for Equitable Development in l A. And on

763
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: here's another tenant organizer and leader at Northside Villa um A. Janis,

764
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Thank you Yeah,

765
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: and it's Hillside VideA not sorry, no way. So this

766
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: is what happens when I have m R I brand.

767
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: I guess okay, So the first thing I want to

768
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: sort of walk through is basically, can can can you

769
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: describe the win you all had a couple of weeks ago? Yeah,

770
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: I can go ahead and start and then and I

771
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: if you want to fill in at all UM. So

772
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago we were able to successfully

773
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: push our city council to approve alone to acquire Hillside

774
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: Viea from slum lord Tom Bots. And so just to

775
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: make it clear, this isn't the end of the fight.

776
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: We have not fully appropriated tom Bots at the moment,

777
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: but this is a huge victory and commitment from the

778
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: city to take the building from him. So it was

779
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: really really exciting for all of us. You know. I

780
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: guess one thing I want to clarify from the outset

781
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: is that a lot of the reporting about it seemed

782
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of the reporting about it was saying

783
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: that the city had had voted to use eminent domain

784
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: and they have not done that, which is my understanding. Yeah. Yeah,

785
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: So to clarify that part two the motion that was

786
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: past it does include that eminent domain will be used

787
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: if the landlord does not willingly sell, which he most

788
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: likely will not of course, yeah exactly, so he's not

789
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: going to will and he sell his building. It does

790
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: include that it will be used and as part of

791
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: the pathway, um, but it does not specifically past the

792
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: eminent domain piece, so that will be something that we

793
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: will probably have to organize around. Um. Yeah, and if

794
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm understanding correctly, then understand that that requires a second vote,

795
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: right M yeah, yeah, but I guess okay, first off, also, congratulations,

796
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: this rules us really exciting. Um yeah, And I guess

797
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: the second thing I wanted to ask about was how

798
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: how this organizing process started and how are you able

799
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: to do this because this is a this is a

800
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: rare massive w that yeah mm hmm. Yeah, so this

801
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: has been a three year struggle, um, and I can

802
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: give a little bit of context around how how it

803
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: got started and then Mediana you can take it from there. UM.

804
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: So basically, Hillside Via is part of a massive amount

805
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: of buildings that were built in the eighties, UM using

806
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: different kinds of federal and state subsidies. UM. And basically yeah,

807
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: it was UM subsidies that were used to fund private

808
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: developers to keep buildings affordable for a temporary period of time,

809
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: so using affordable housing covenants. And so Hillside covenant expired

810
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen after thirty years of being kept affordable

811
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: for the tenants. And as soon as that happened, UM,

812
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: the landlord of course tried to increase the rent to

813
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: market rate, So folks were receiving up to two rent increases.

814
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah, so you know to actually like talk

815
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: about what those numbers are. People who are paying eight

816
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: hundred dollars for rent were now being asked to pay liked.

817
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: So that's a de facto eviction, right, And um, as

818
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: soon as that happened, there's actually this like origin story

819
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: that I really love is that one of our tenant leaders, Leslie,

820
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: who's uh bilingual like Spanish and English speaker, she came

821
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: up to a tenant who is a modelingual Cantonese speaker,

822
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: held up one of the rent increases, ripped it to shreds,

823
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: and the Benson, our Cantonese tenant leader, just said okay.

824
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: And that's like one of the origin stories that really

825
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: just shows like how um yeah, like opposite and all

826
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: our tenants were from the beginning. Um. And then what

827
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: happened was that another tenant leader, Louisa, who actually has

828
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: since passed away due to COVID, she actually called all

829
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: the news stations in l A just blew this the

830
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: funk up and um yeah, and then that's how organizers

831
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of got involved and maybe and I you can

832
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: share your personal experience of going through all of this. Yeah,

833
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: for sure. UM so about right a little before the

834
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: association was started at Hillside Villa, UM, we had been

835
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: living here for about seven years and at that time,

836
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: UM So, I was working with my mom at the time,

837
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: and we went out um in the morning for work.

838
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: We came back around the afternoon, UM to find that

839
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: we couldn't get into our apartment. Our keys were actually um,

840
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: they weren't going into the locks. So we went to

841
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 1: the manager's office and asked them, like why our key

842
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: wasn't working. So they sent management up to our our

843
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: floor and UM they told us that we had been

844
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: evicted and that we couldn't like go back and yeah,

845
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: that we couldn't go back into our apartment. UM. So

846
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: it's just just within that one that one morning, you know,

847
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: our whole pretty much our whole life was like flipped

848
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: upside down. UM. They told us that they actually worked

849
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: unfortunately with them, and I think this is a very

850
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: common UM thing, is that UM landlords UM work directly

851
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: with the Sheriff's department. So the sheriff department came and

852
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: switched out our lock. UM. So we were pretty much uprooted. UM.

853
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: That day, UM, we had to figure out like what

854
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 1: to do. UM, we were all set brated, like that day,

855
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: we all, you know, my sister went to her friend's house,

856
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: my mom had to go rent a hotel to stay

857
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: with UM her husband, and then I went to my

858
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: partner's house. So that lasted about two to three days.

859
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: And in those two to three days, we were personally.

860
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: I started looking up tenant laws, tenant rights, and we

861
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: found thanks to to a friend, UM, she recommended the

862
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: Eviction Defense Network, who provides UM free lawyers for UM

863
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: tenants facing UM eviction in l A. So they heard

864
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: us up with a lawyer and UM they found that UM,

865
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: the eviction had actually been an illegal eviction. And then

866
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: we all we also had like the paperwork to show

867
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: that that it was an illegal eviction. So UM we

868
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: threatened to sue UM the landlord and because of that,

869
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: he dropped the case and us back in to our

870
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: apartment after like three or four days or something like

871
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: that from what I can remember, UM, but in those

872
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: days it was it was really enraging obviously, like who

873
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like super piste off at this, like it

874
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: would boil your blood you know, and and it did. UM.

875
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that like, UM kind

876
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: of made me um or very much so more involved

877
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: in like tenant rights and and UM organizing. UM. And

878
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: then also like just to throw this in a little

879
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: more detail, UM, when we were locked out, UM, they

880
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: actually locked our animals in in c the apartment, so

881
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: we couldn't even get our dogs right away. Oh my god,

882
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: did they like were they okay? Like did you were

883
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: able to like was anyone feeding them? Like they weren't

884
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: there all the three days I think we were. We

885
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: had to like really like push for them to open

886
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: up the apartment so that we can get them, like

887
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: the day of UM. But then like we couldn't just

888
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: like grab all our things, UM, including like medication that

889
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: was like for my mom's husband who has diabetes and whatnot.

890
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: So I think that was like the first time we

891
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: acted as a family to like not let um someone

892
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: pretty much bully and harass us into a forced eviction

893
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: that was completely illegal. UM. And that's within that time.

894
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: It was also happening to all the tenants around us.

895
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: I mean there was the word was going all over

896
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: the apartment. I mean you you could see management was

897
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: doing a cash for keys um, which is also an

898
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: illegal tactic for UM landlords to do. And UM they

899
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: were trying Yeah, UM, so cash for keys UM. It's

900
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: probably going to be like a rough definition of what

901
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: it is, but it's when UM, when a landlord offers

902
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: a certain amount of money in order for you to

903
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: give up your apartment UM. And this could be a

904
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: couple of thousand, UM, ten thousand, twenty thousand, sometimes way

905
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: less than that. UM. So that was a tactic that

906
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: he was trying to use to evict people from our

907
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: apartment so that he could remodel and then UM move

908
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: it up to like market rate and get pretty much

909
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: all of our community out of this apartment, which was

910
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: an affordable apartment. UM. It worked for a lot of

911
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: some tenants did end up doing that. A lot of

912
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: people didn't want to fight back UM, but the one

913
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 1: that did UM started the association UM. And there's also

914
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: a lot of like language barriers with the tenants UM,

915
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: some that only spoke Spanish and didn't understand what was happening.

916
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: They were trying to get people to sign contracts UM

917
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: for for the increase of the rent UM. Yeah. So

918
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: that was my experience here to begin with um and

919
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: and why we decided to fight back and not allow

920
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: this to to happen to our family, but also like

921
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: our community here who were also experiencing the same thing.

922
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't just an ice. I say this

923
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: all the time. It felt like an isolated situation at

924
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: the time, but it on the broader perspective, it was

925
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: not an isolated thing. And that's what brought our community together.

926
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: That's a really powerful being, doably enraging. And yeah, there's

927
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: a lot of really interesting things they're like, I mean, one, obviously,

928
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: the cops doing like the sheriff's like helping them do

929
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: the illegal eviction is just incredibly on the nose. And

930
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: the one thing I think is really interesting about the

931
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: way that like I mean, okay, the the way the

932
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: law only exists for rich people if you can like

933
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: throw it into their faces and make it embarrassing enough

934
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: that like the state has to enforce it. So I

935
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: read a lot of media coverage of this, and not

936
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: a single person who who covered the story that that

937
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: that I saw from these articles mentioned that the that

938
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: cash for keys is illegal a lot because a lot

939
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: of the articles mentioned it, but they don't they don't.

940
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: They don't mention that like you legally can't do this,

941
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think that's a that that that's

942
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess it goes to show that

943
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: like even among the press, like whose job it is

944
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: to do this, there's there's such like little there's such

945
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: a little knowledge of what what what practices aren't and

946
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: are and aren't allowed, and that Yeah, I mean I

947
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: think as you're talking about like that, that that that's one

948
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: of the they're they're relying like in order to do this,

949
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: suff landlords are like, yeah, that they're they're relying on

950
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: people not knowing the rights to relying on being able

951
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: to trick people. They're relying on just straight up handing

952
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: people stuff they can't read and forcing them to sign it,

953
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: which I don't know that my brain is weird, But

954
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: like the thing that reminds me of is like that

955
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: the Spanish conquistadors showing up and then really like ask

956
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: asking people to convert to Christianity in Spanish language they

957
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: didn't speak, and then shooting them when they didn't do it.

958
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that's a fitting analogy. Honestly. Yeah, it's

959
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: a new form of colonization and one that we're you know, resisting. Yeah,

960
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: yea that that was one of the other things I

961
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about in terms of resisting this kind

962
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: of stuff is Yeah, what what was it like dealing

963
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: with the kind of anguage barriers that you get here?

964
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: What you have? I don't know, Like, I mean, you've

965
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: mentioned like at least three languages that people are speaking.

966
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: There's probably more because that's just that's how working class

967
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: communities work. Mm hmm. Yeah. I feel like that's been

968
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: such a central part of our fight, is language justice

969
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: and the tenant meetings that we've had every single week

970
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: for the past three years. Um, so that's like about

971
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifteen meetings. Every single one of them

972
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: has included some form of translation. Um. So yeah, we've

973
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: had a lot of support from folks from Union Davos organizers.

974
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: There have gear where we can do like simultaneous translation. Yeah.

975
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: So if you go to one of our meetings, it's

976
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: folks who, um, if they're modelingual Spanish or English speakers,

977
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: they're having a headset on where we then have someone

978
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: who's offering simultaneous translation. Um. And then since we have

979
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: few Cantonese or Mandarin speakers will also have organizers on

980
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: the side doing UM consecutive translation for them. So our

981
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: meetings are run and like usually three if not more

982
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: languages M and I guess, I guess. It leads into

983
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: another question that I had, which was, so, how how

984
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: did I think from my understanding this on one of

985
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: the parts of the story is like, is people who

986
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: people who have been doing established tenant organizing like getting

987
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: getting involved with the struggle, And I wanted to, I guess,

988
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: talk about how that happens. And yeah, yeah, yeah, So

989
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: I think because that original tenant, Louisa like really blew

990
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: this story up. UM different orbs heard about it, and

991
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: eventually UM LAT too, so the l A Tenants Union

992
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: and then c c D UM, the organ that I'm in,

993
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:59,720
Speaker 1: we heard about it and got involved long term. And

994
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: even with that, like I'm a relatively new organizer, I

995
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: only started volunteering with CCD a couple of years ago,

996
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 1: so it's really been like one of my first UM

997
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: site fights we like to call them. But there are

998
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: other folks who have had more a bit more experience

999
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: with different buildings in l A as well. But I

1000
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: think what's important to emphasize is that this fight has

1001
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: really been tenant lead um, and even though we have

1002
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: like these kind of yeah outside organizers, it's always been

1003
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: the tenants demands and the tenants interests first. Yeah. It

1004
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: seems I mean, you know, from from your descriptionships like

1005
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 1: people showing up a translation equipment. Yeah, it seems like

1006
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: a really good way to do this kind of stuff,

1007
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: which is you show up and you give help to people,

1008
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: but it's it's you know, it's it's them doing the organizing,

1009
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: which I don't know, reminds me a lot of like,

1010
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean, my experiences in union organizing stuff, which is like, yeah,

1011
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: I know, it's it's some Yeah, like you have people

1012
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: who experience with stuff and they come in and their

1013
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,439
Speaker 1: job is to help the people who are actually trying

1014
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: to organize the place. Mm hmm yeah exactly exactly, the

1015
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: people who are like actually directly impacted. Um. Yeah. I

1016
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: feel like our role has really just been facilitating, offering

1017
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: like the technical support, um more of that stuff. But

1018
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: I think you can really talk about how so much

1019
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: of this fight has really been building the tenant's power

1020
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: and becoming more and more like militant um and radical

1021
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: and just the tenants like yeah, really most definitely feeling

1022
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: their own fire. Yeah. So we are like super duper

1023
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: grateful for the UM organizers that have come out for

1024
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: the last three years or however long UM they've decided

1025
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: to or have joined the association to help UM and

1026
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the tenants always always like give things

1027
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: and they're super appreciative or the organizers, But sometimes they

1028
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: don't give themselves the credit either. They think it's only

1029
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: like they think the organizers, which is obviously like super

1030
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: important and we're super grateful, but they don't realize that

1031
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: they're a huge part of of the fight. UM. For example, UM,

1032
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: actually my mom UH has been a part of the

1033
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: association for longer than I have. UM. I've only been

1034
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: organizing for about UM well not only UM a year

1035
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: and a half, but she's actually been in the organization

1036
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: for three years UM because not only because she needed

1037
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: the support and the organizers really helped to UM to

1038
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: guide her to like learn to use her voice for

1039
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: UM for the outcome that we all want to see. UM.

1040
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: And a lot of the tenants are UM are women,

1041
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: their elders, you know, their generation elders, so UM, they're

1042
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: very strong people they UM a lot of like the

1043
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: elder like UM like I guess Latina, I don't know

1044
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: how I feel about that term. But UM, you know,

1045
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:40,919
Speaker 1: women UM are our natural leaders, and with the help

1046
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: of the organizers, UM, they really just helped to to

1047
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: help them too, you know, use their voice and to

1048
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 1: empower them to to do what they can naturally do,

1049
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,919
Speaker 1: which is speak up and ask for what they want. So, yeah,

1050
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: my mom is learned over the last three years how

1051
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: to talk in front of politicians, how to UM communicate

1052
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: the process and the struggle that we've all been enduring,

1053
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: but to also demand what we rightfully deserve, which is housing,

1054
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: safe housing, and for politicians to do their job, which

1055
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: is to represent as they should be the community that

1056
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: they are working for and not and you know, not

1057
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 1: to beg them to do things, but to demand that

1058
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: um they take action in the way that we have

1059
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: taken action UM, much more than than any politician has

1060
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: in the last three years. UM. It was up to

1061
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: the tenants and it still is and thanks to them

1062
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: we have gotten as far as we have. That That

1063
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: was that was yeah, really well said. I want to

1064
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: I guess shift a little bit into talking about like

1065
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: what specifically y'all were doing because I guess I guess

1066
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: both that is like what how how how how did

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01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: you actually do this? And then how can other people

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01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: sort of like how can other people replicate it? Mm hmm, yeah,

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01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't know that we necessarily have like a model,

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01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: UM that other people can apply, because I think reflecting

1071
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: about this whole fight, it was such a like just

1072
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: dynamic campaign where at first when it started, UM folks

1073
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: war kind of using more you know, like legal tactics,

1074
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 1: just like looking for errors in UM the rent increases

1075
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: that bots would hand out and this would you know,

1076
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: lead to UM being able to stall the rent hikes

1077
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: for months at a time. UM. But then that obviously

1078
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: wasn't enough, so then people started escalating and UM eventually

1079
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: like putting pressure to get this on the radar of

1080
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: our districts, like city council person Gil Cudeo, And eventually,

1081
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: through that, UM they were able to get Cudeo to

1082
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: make a deal with the landlord to extend the covenant

1083
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: UM and have his clan spe his debt beat forgiven. UM.

1084
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: But the landlord just like renegged on that deal, right,

1085
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so then UM, I think it's through

1086
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: those experiences that the tenants really learned like Okay, it's

1087
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 1: like this politician is not going to save us. Um.

1088
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: So then I think our fight became more and more militant,

1089
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: so just directly going to the landlords Malibu Villa and

1090
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: shouting like fuck you, and you know, just like yeah,

1091
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: just like those direct confrontations. And then even Sidio himself

1092
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: UM has not been you know, this friendly relationship where

1093
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:01,679
Speaker 1: we're thanking him for putting our putting our story into

1094
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 1: city council. It's been extremely confrontational and oppositional the entire time.

1095
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: And I think thinking about what got us this recent

1096
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: when it was um as it has been this whole

1097
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: fight direct action, because we ended up the first day

1098
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: that city Council opened up to the public again, a

1099
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: group of us went in kind of like slid our

1100
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:28,520
Speaker 1: way through security and went to his office and surprisingly

1101
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: he opened the door um and it was him and

1102
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:35,560
Speaker 1: not a staffer, and of course he saw it was us,

1103
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: so he immediately tried to close the door, and one

1104
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: of our amazing tenant leaders, Rosario, who's yeah, this elder

1105
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 1: um Latino woman, she stuck her foot in the door

1106
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,799
Speaker 1: and refused to let him close it. Yeah, and because

1107
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: of that, we were able to just like directly confront

1108
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: him like, where the funk have you been? It's been

1109
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: three years, um, and you haven't seen this through like

1110
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: you said you were going to. And we got all that,

1111
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, UM, recorded video evidence of him UM just yeah,

1112
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: fumbling around, and he sent the cops on us of course. UM.

1113
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: And Yeah, I think that was such a great action

1114
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: because all of the we call them like the muhera,

1115
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: so the Latino women who have been leading the fight,

1116
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: they were just so defiant towards the cops. UM, not

1117
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: scared at all, and just you know, standing their ground

1118
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 1: and that they're just defending you know, they're human right

1119
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: to housing. UM. And a week after that confrontational action,

1120
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: we got this, UM, this city council motion passed. So,

1121
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, I think from our experience trying to go

1122
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,520
Speaker 1: through the NXT way and like you know, doing traditional lobbying,

1123
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: trying to schedule meetings and like texting, calling all of that,

1124
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: things didn't happen for years. And then we did more

1125
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: and more militant actions, things happened really quickly. Yeah. Another

1126
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,640
Speaker 1: thing I'd like to add on to that, UM that

1127
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: I actually heard was something that not a lot of

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01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 1: UM other associations UM that are fighting for their housing

1129
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: UM do often was UM to bring the community together, UM.

1130
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: And like I mean really coming together. I mean we're

1131
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: meeting every week for the last three years, and even

1132
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, UM we weren't in person. We actually

1133
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: were on zoom for a really long time. UM. And

1134
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: that's one of the biggest things, was UM the consistency

1135
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: that we all pushed through even during the pandemic. UM

1136
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: from the beginning was meeting every single week, and some

1137
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: other UM organizers also meet more than once a week.

1138
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, we're meeting multiple times a week too, kind

1139
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: of talk over like the fine detail of of you know,

1140
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: the next steps UM. But definitely consistency has been one

1141
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: of the biggest things in the last three years that

1142
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: has gotten us where we are today. Yeah, that that

1143
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. It's I know, I keep

1144
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: going back to this because this is the sort of

1145
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I did some tenant organizing, but UM,

1146
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: this is the thing that I know now. Was like, yeah,

1147
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: it reminds me a lot of just like the way

1148
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 1: the way the union campaigns that work run of just

1149
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,599
Speaker 1: you have to keep you have you have to keep

1150
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: getting people together to do the thing. Yeah, most definitely. Yeah.

1151
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't know have you all seen like like how

1152
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: how did that change, like your relationship with just like

1153
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 1: the other people in the building. I'll give you an

1154
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: example from like my mom. I think for her it's

1155
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: been changed a little more drastically than it has for

1156
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,480
Speaker 1: me because a lot of the tenants here a little older. UM.

1157
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: So before the association was started, she she's kind of

1158
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:11,799
Speaker 1: like a person that keeps to herself a lot, you know. Um,

1159
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: but since that, um, since the association, she's actually made

1160
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: like so many friends here now, like and she's actually

1161
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,480
Speaker 1: made like a best friend here, um, one of our neighbors.

1162
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 1: And they like, yes, and they've become like really good friends. Um.

1163
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 1: They even go, you know, have breakfast together, um like

1164
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: almost multiple times a week. Um. The other day I

1165
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: saw them, Like I saw my mom's best friend Adelita

1166
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: or Adela, um giving her some sugar, and I was

1167
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 1: like I should have gotten a picture of that, Like

1168
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's so cute, like posted it on

1169
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: like Instagram so that you know, like everyone knows like

1170
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: what it looks like when community comes together. It's it's

1171
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: the small things like that. UM. But I think it

1172
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: has UM made some you know who made us gain

1173
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: like trust with UM the neighbors that have been consistent

1174
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 1: UM and see the same UM kind of vision that

1175
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: we have to keep this building affordable. UM. And yeah,

1176
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: not everyone, not all the tenants here have been supportive

1177
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: of our fight. Some you know, participated for a few

1178
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: months and then immediately gave up. UM. But one of

1179
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: the things that UM that my family has done is

1180
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 1: to keep fighting UM, even for the ones that don't

1181
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: want to show up or don't want to do the work,

1182
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: which is how to work. UM. That we're not just

1183
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: doing it for ourselves, but we're doing it for for everyone,

1184
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: whether they're supportive or not. You know, this is going

1185
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: to benefit them and it's going to benefit the whole

1186
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: community and hopefully the city, the whole city in the future.

1187
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's something I've definitely seen with organizing,

1188
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: is that like, yeah, just living in this world can

1189
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: be really isolating and I don't know, like I've lived

1190
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: in a lot of places where it's just like, yeah,

1191
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: like I have no idea who any like literally who

1192
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: anyone who lives around me is like like there's still

1193
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: they'll they'll be like the one person you see at

1194
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 1: three in the morning coming back to their apartment and

1195
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I vaguely remember this person, but like, yeah,

1196
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: like I think, I don't know, just this this being

1197
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: something that just on a broad level, not just about

1198
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: like I mean, you know, is it like this is

1199
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: something that's a solution to both like an immediate fight

1200
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: and then also this sort of like broader just I

1201
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: don't know, like Nightmaror's isolation that everyone's everyone like is

1202
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: a huge part of a lot of our lives. Now,

1203
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just struck me. I guess yeah, yeah,

1204
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: I feel like this just makes me think of UM.

1205
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 1: To celebrate the recent win, we had this party at

1206
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 1: Hillside UM just last week, and you know, it was

1207
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: like Pollock style. Everyone brought their own food. UM. Someone

1208
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 1: had a connection with like a Mariachi van, so we

1209
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 1: had mariachi playing. UM. One of the tenants owns a

1210
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 1: food truck and just wanted to cook for the community.

1211
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: So she's whipping up these like amazing tacos and bag

1212
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: enough hot dogs. And then someone had brought this pinata

1213
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 1: of the landlord and people were just like talking just

1214
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: showing it. Like one of the tenants he was just

1215
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: like fist fighting it and cracking it open. The kids

1216
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: were just like grabbing as much candy as they could

1217
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: from this broken tom Bots Panada, and and like, I

1218
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: feel like that was just like exemplifies the sense of

1219
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: community that there is now Hillside. And I think, as

1220
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 1: Anna was talking about, those personal connections have been so

1221
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: key to keeping this fight going for three years because

1222
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's so hard to keep showing up, and

1223
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: it's those personal connections that keep you coming. Yeah, most definitely,

1224
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: it's almost like a support system that um, like my

1225
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: mom and like some of the neighbors have created, like

1226
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: Alta or one of our second generation tenants, Leslie, you know,

1227
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 1: she's they can confide with one another, they can vent

1228
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:05,760
Speaker 1: with one another, and um yeah yeah, so um, they've

1229
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: definitely like created strong bonds, and I think that's one

1230
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: of the reasons why they keep showing up. You know,

1231
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: it's it's women supporting women, and um, you know, they're

1232
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: the protectors of the family, they're the nurturers and that's

1233
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: what my mom taught me. So that's why definitely, one

1234
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I continue to fight, um for

1235
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: Hillside to keep the housing not only for my mom

1236
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: because I'm like her protector and she's mine, but we're

1237
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: also like here to protect the community from from harassment

1238
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 1: or from literal bowling. Yeah. So I guess looking forward, Um,

1239
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: I think at the beginning interview, you said, yeah, it

1240
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 1: looks like there's going to be another fight over sort

1241
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: of forcing forcing the city to actually use eminent domain. Um. Yeah,

1242
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: do you have Well, okay, I don't know if you

1243
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: can talk about your plans for that. Yeah. I guess

1244
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: two things. One if if if people want to support

1245
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: what y'all are doing and you know, put pressure on

1246
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: the city, what are the best ways for them to

1247
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: do that? Mm hmmm, Um. Yeah, I think just following

1248
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: our our socials and staying updated about the fight and

1249
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: any action items that we put out is a great

1250
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: way to support and just amplifying the struggle. Um. Yeah.

1251
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:51,520
Speaker 1: In terms of our specific strategy for holding the city accountable, Um,

1252
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: we actually haven't haven't gotten super into the weeds of

1253
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 1: it yet because we are just taking a break for

1254
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: a while to yeah, you know, you know, yeah, to

1255
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 1: celebrate sound this one and um yeah, kind of have

1256
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: folks get perspective. I think our our view is that

1257
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: because the city has now approved the funds to make

1258
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 1: this happen, that um yeah, that there shouldn't be any

1259
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 1: barriers to them seeing it completely through. Um yeah, I

1260
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: think we can. We can maybe um apprehends some like

1261
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: ideological barriers because actually using eminent domainion to expropriate a

1262
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 1: landlord is not something that's been done before. Um. But yeah,

1263
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Yeah. I mean, look, if if

1264
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: if they can displace tennants with eminent domain, they can,

1265
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: they can they can use it to keep tenants in

1266
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: their homes, like exactly. I guess the other question I

1267
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: have with that is what is okay? So like say,

1268
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: like I don't know, a miracle occurs and like you're

1269
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: and Lord is visited by like three ghosts at night

1270
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,799
Speaker 1: who like show him increasingly horrible features, and he decides

1271
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 1: to sell it to the city. What is that? Like?

1272
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: What is the city owning the building? Look like? Mm hmmm, Yeah.

1273
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: I can start with that and then and I can

1274
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 1: chime in. But I think the vision of the tenants

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01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: has always been collective stewardship and tenant ownership of the building. UM.

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01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: So the fight definitely does not stop at the city

1277
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: um taking the building, but there will also be a

1278
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: push for actual tenant stewardship of the building too. Yeah.

1279
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: And I think the exact structures of that UM aren't

1280
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: aren't so clear yet. There's still a lot of like

1281
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 1: discussions and work to be done around that. UM. But yeah,

1282
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 1: and the conversations that we've had with folks from the

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01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 1: Housing Authority, which is going to be the agency that's

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01:21:55,640 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: actually purchasing the building. UM, they have expressed open us

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01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 1: too to us actually um. Yeah, having another nonprofit takeover

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01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: and eventually building towards like a co op kind of structure,

1287
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: that would be really cool. Yeah, I know, I know,

1288
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of talk among well I know,

1289
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: I think some people have don'e in Detroit about things

1290
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: the community land trusts as as a way to um yeah,

1291
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: I have tenants actually like control their buildings. Yeah. Yeah,

1292
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: that's definitely been part of the discussion. Yeah, that's that's awesome,

1293
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 1: because yeah, this is a much better solution than the

1294
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:39,479
Speaker 1: state is now your landlord exactly. Yeah. Yeah, so that's

1295
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: the Yeah, that's that's the what we hope for in

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01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: the future. Um, like Jane said, we still have a

1297
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 1: lot to work through, and this isn't done obviously. We wouldn't,

1298
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: like you said, want the state to be landlords here,

1299
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be the best landlords. But yeah, um yeah,

1300
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: we we are, like Janna said, taking a pause and

1301
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: we will reconvene UM two plan out future steps to take.

1302
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: But this was a really really great win. Um. It

1303
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:25,839
Speaker 1: was such a relief off of so many people, um

1304
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 1: back and something we've been fighting for over three three

1305
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: and a half years now. UM, so it's good to

1306
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: finally get somewhat of positive news. And it's been such

1307
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 1: an emotional journey for the last three years. Um. I

1308
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: mean that doesn't even justify how how much of an

1309
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 1: emotional roller coaster it has been for a lot of

1310
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 1: these tenants or for a lot of our families here. Um.

1311
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: When we got the news, um, everyone broke out in

1312
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 1: tears and joy and and and everyone was so surprised.

1313
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,799
Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't help myself but to like cry

1314
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 1: and smile and ugly cry some more for like the

1315
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: whole day. Just yeah, um yeah, we're hoping for um,

1316
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: for the process to be um, somewhat smoother. Um now

1317
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: that that we've done a a large portion of the fight. Um,

1318
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,639
Speaker 1: but yeah, we still we were still at the tail

1319
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,759
Speaker 1: end things. Yeah. So where where where can people find

1320
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: find deals, organizations and groups and stuff to go follow

1321
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: them or help them in places? Um, for CCD, which

1322
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: does post a lot of Hillside um content, I think

1323
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: all of our socials are just at c C D,

1324
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: l A. And then for Hillside, I think, um, there's

1325
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: different handles for all the different different platforms unfortunately, but

1326
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,879
Speaker 1: if folks just look up hill SIDEVA or Hillside Tenants,

1327
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: they should be able to find it. And if if

1328
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: you just send me the social media handles, you can

1329
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: put them in the description. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well,

1330
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: thank thank you both so much for so much for

1331
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: talking to us. This was this was awesome. I'm so

1332
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 1: happy for you. Great, thank you. Yeah, thanks for thanks

1333
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: for listening. Yeah, this has been huge. Yeah, and I

1334
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 1: guess for everyone out there, you two can take to

1335
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: start taking back your cities. And yeah, with with with

1336
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: with with any luck and with a lot of struggle.

1337
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: This is this is gonna this is gonna be the

1338
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 1: first of Betty and Yeah, fuck landlords, we can beat them.

1339
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, flcome, we got this communities first, Landlord ng

1340
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:24,560
Speaker 1: is not a job. We're here to take it back. Yeah.

1341
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: Oh boy, it could happen here the podcast about it

1342
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 1: and and happening and could Chris take us away? I'm

1343
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: taking it away, Oh boy, I think I promised to Um.

1344
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: So uh, this is this has been a fun week

1345
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: so far. We're all kind of sitting through that in

1346
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: that awkward period where we know the Supreme Court is

1347
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 1: about to do some ship with Roe v. Wade and

1348
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: that that's gonna light a whole bunch of stuff on fire. Um.

1349
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: And so we're all waiting for that, and we're all

1350
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,599
Speaker 1: waiting for the big Pride Month demonstrations in the wake

1351
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: of a shipload of um threats from the right. Uh.

1352
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: And kind of in that awkward interstital period, we got

1353
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:19,480
Speaker 1: this this little burst this weekend of of of happiness,

1354
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: of just of pure joy. Um. So obviously we had

1355
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 1: covered a little earlier the Gundaleine rally and Quarterline, Idaho,

1356
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: which was a right wing kind of counter rally to

1357
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: quarter Aline's regular local pride Um rally. Uh. And you

1358
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 1: know it was a an event that the the the

1359
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: the p R four ahead of time was deeply unsettling,

1360
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: or a lot of like threats and talk about you know,

1361
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: let the fight start here and all that stuff. A

1362
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 1: lot of people were worried about a massacre, including us,

1363
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: because when you have a bunch of right wingers saying

1364
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: that anyone queer is grooming kids and it's time to

1365
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: shoot them, it's reasonable to be worried about a massacre. Um. Now,

1366
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 1: what we did see on the day, and this is

1367
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: something you'll note a lot of times when you get

1368
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,440
Speaker 1: the events where there's a lot of threats around them,

1369
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 1: that's what kind of provokes enough attention, um and enough

1370
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:16,320
Speaker 1: of a state response that that it's not where people

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01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: try to ship. You know, it's often kind of at

1372
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: the edges of events or the events that uh, people

1373
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: don't take seriously enough ahead of time that like things

1374
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: go to ship. You know. Charlottesville would be a great

1375
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: example because prior to Charlottesville, there was a lot of

1376
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 1: like discussion about how big it was going to be

1377
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: in the city, you know, did not really take it seriously.

1378
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 1: There were a number of and this is one of

1379
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: the things that's frustrating the fucking mayor of Charlotte'sville. Is

1380
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: after what happened in Quarterline and stuff has been like

1381
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: on the news talking to people about how to how

1382
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: to avoid demonstrations going badly and ship which like that.

1383
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, he received a lot of warnings from anti

1384
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: fascists about how many people with you know, pending violent

1385
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 1: charges were going to be at Unite the Right in

1386
01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Charlottesville and how many threats were going on. It was

1387
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: kind of ignored and as a result it got really

1388
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 1: fucking ugly because you know, you had smaller numbers is

1389
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: on the on the first night, you know, when people

1390
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: got surrounded by that torchlit mob, you had smaller numbers

1391
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: of anti fascists, um outnumbered by fascists and no real

1392
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: counter to them until you know the next day, and

1393
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 1: obviously that's the day that that that James Alex Fields

1394
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 1: drove a car into a crowd um and that kind

1395
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: of starts our story today because the thing that was

1396
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 1: the bright ray of sunlight in in the midst of

1397
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 1: what has been a pretty rough couple of weeks news wise,

1398
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 1: was thirty one members of the hate group Patriot Front

1399
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,640
Speaker 1: getting arrested in Quarterlaine, Idaho, jammed into the back of

1400
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: a U haul UM and the story of Patriot Front

1401
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: and the story of how that that beautiful moment happened.

1402
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:56,599
Speaker 1: UM starts in Charlottesville in two seventeen. Actually it starts

1403
01:29:56,640 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 1: significantly before that in Texas. But uh, the group that

1404
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: becomes Patriot Front starts as a group called Vanguard America UM.

1405
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: And Vanguard America is one of the groups that is

1406
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: responsible for kind of carrying out the the Unite the

1407
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 1: Right rally. And this is this is a different group

1408
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: than American Vanguard. Right. Uh wait, let my double check here,

1409
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 1: because sorry, they all use such similar names. UM. If

1410
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, there is an American Vanguard. UM. There's

1411
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: also the American Vanguard Corporation. Uh no, no, no, I

1412
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: think it's UM. American Guard. American Guard is the group

1413
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: that UM is a kind of more coming out of

1414
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: the KKK S sphere orbit because some of them are

1415
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 1: former clansmen. That's another story for another day. UM. So

1416
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: you've got Vanguard America. They're one of the group's kind

1417
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: of behind bringing a lot of people, a lot of fascists,

1418
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 1: shouldn't call them people to UM Charlottesville. In two thousand

1419
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: and seventeen, James Alex Field is marching with them and

1420
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: carrying one of their shields. Earlier in the day before

1421
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 1: he carries out his car attack, and as a result

1422
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: of the bad press that him murdering a woman in

1423
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 1: and maiming a bunch of people with his car in

1424
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:15,839
Speaker 1: a terrorist attack brings down um, the leader of Vanguard America,

1425
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Thomas Rousseau uh splits off like kind of ins Vanguard

1426
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: America and spins it off into Patriot Front, which is

1427
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: less explicitly just as fascist, but less branded as fascist,

1428
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: more kind of branded in Americana. They all of their

1429
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: pr and all of their like images look like rejected

1430
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: stills from a BioShock game. Yeah, it's it's it's pretty amazing.

1431
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, these are the guys are like that.

1432
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 1: There there's a video of them like talking like like

1433
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: like they're literally they go like on camera it's like,

1434
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're doing America stuff. We don't we're not

1435
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: hitler people. And then like the build the boat with

1436
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 1: the camera turns off there like oh good, the cameras off.

1437
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 1: We can say say kale now, yeah, it's it's great.

1438
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: I mean, Van Guard America's logo was literally like an

1439
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: eagle carrying a bundle of fascis. Yeah, they're not not subtle. Um.

1440
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: And I should say Van Guard America I think was

1441
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: actually founded by another guy in in California, but um,

1442
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: Thomas Rousseau was pretty quickly prominence in there, and he

1443
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: splinters off into into Patriot Front. I need to be

1444
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: specific because there's people listening who will yell at me

1445
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: for getting that wrong. Um. So for the purpose of

1446
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,759
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about today, we should chat about

1447
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,640
Speaker 1: Thomas Rousseau UM before we get into some of the

1448
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 1: funnier stuff, because he's got a really interesting background for

1449
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: a fascist. So in the last couple of years since

1450
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: Patriot Front became a thing, Rousseau has held a number

1451
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,559
Speaker 1: of kind of like flash demonstrations where they'll get a

1452
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: few dozen Patriot Front guys together and they'll march around

1453
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: in their fucking gators and their their little fascist uniforms

1454
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: that are like, um, I don't know, they look like

1455
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: country club Nazis is like the way they prefer to dress. Um.

1456
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: And they'll carry their shields and they'll you know, film

1457
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 1: propaganda videos. Most of what they do is hand out

1458
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 1: like put out stickers, put out other kinds of propaganda

1459
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 1: to the extent that like they are probably the primary

1460
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: national purveyors of of Nazi propaganda um in like the

1461
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 1: real world, like in terms of stuff that actually gets

1462
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 1: put out where people can see it. Um. There I've

1463
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,320
Speaker 1: found like stickers from them and just like random places

1464
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Yeah, yeah, I've seen a couple of them.

1465
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:40,040
Speaker 1: Like two nineteen, Patriot Front was and this is the

1466
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: A d l s estimates, so they're not the most

1467
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 1: accurate they could be, but also no one else is

1468
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: really keeping track of this, so I'll say they're probably

1469
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 1: broadly correct. UM. The in two thousand nineteen, the A

1470
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: d L listed Patriot Front is responsible for eight percent

1471
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: of all propaganda incidents nationally of like Nazi type groups UM.

1472
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 1: And then in a number doubled um and they were

1473
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: responsible for like ninety plus. I think sometimes you'll hear

1474
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: ninety two percent of like the Nazi propaganda distributed nationwide. UM.

1475
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 1: Their propaganda efforts are most active in Texas, Washington, California, Massachusetts,

1476
01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: New York, and Virginia. UM. And it's one of those things,

1477
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 1: this is not the goal with the propaganda is for

1478
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 1: them to be seen as very large and influential. The

1479
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:29,440
Speaker 1: way that they managed to do it is that Patriot

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01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:33,560
Speaker 1: Front is effectively like a key para social relationship for

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01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 1: most of the people in it. Right. It's a series

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01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 1: of like chats and and and discords and whatnot, and

1483
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 1: these people like come to feel like it's their community.

1484
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 1: And one of the things were so did that was

1485
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 1: very smart is if you want to stay a member

1486
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: of Patriot Front, you will get banned and purged from

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01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: the organization if you are not regularly posting proof that

1488
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 1: you're active in the real world. And the easiest way

1489
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: to do that is by putting up stickers. Right. So

1490
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 1: that's not only how they fund some of their operations

1491
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: because you know their guys are buying stickers, but um,

1492
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: that's how you keep people engaged. If you want to

1493
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 1: like stay in the clubhouse with your friends, you have

1494
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 1: to go put up stickers every couple of weeks or

1495
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: every so often. And you know, when you have a

1496
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 1: couple of hundred people doing that. Stickers are not that expensive.

1497
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: You can get a lot of propaganda out that way.

1498
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: And so Rousseau has been very successful in in that

1499
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: end of things. So let's chat about him a little bit.

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01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: He is was born in nine so he's twenty four

1501
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: ish right now. Um, he grew up where I did.

1502
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: He comes from the suburbs of Dallas, the metroplex, specifically Copel.

1503
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,040
Speaker 1: And if you're not if you don't know much about

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01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: the d f W suburbs, So Dallas sizeable city about

1505
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:45,679
Speaker 1: four million people last I checked. Um, and then you've

1506
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 1: got these these suburbs that are millions more and it's

1507
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 1: it's effectively DFW is kind of this megalopolis, Like it's

1508
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 1: this massive, sprawling city, larger than several states, and it's

1509
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:59,799
Speaker 1: geographical area. At some point in the future, assuming growth

1510
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 1: can tenues, you're going to see like all of the

1511
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,200
Speaker 1: big cities in Texas merge and when their metro plexus

1512
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:09,440
Speaker 1: start to mingle. Um. But these these these Texas suburbs

1513
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: are all laid out very orderly in grids. They were

1514
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: all they're all like planned communities. Um. And in the

1515
01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:21,639
Speaker 1: area around like this particular chunk around Dallas, they're all

1516
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 1: pretty wealthy. And of these wealthy suburbs, Coppel is like

1517
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: where the money money is. Like like coming up in Planoh,

1518
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 1: which is was a fairly well off suburb, we would

1519
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: like the Coppell kids were like the rich kids, right

1520
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,280
Speaker 1: Like when we would compete against them in football and

1521
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: speech debate like that, you'd feel like, yeah, we're like

1522
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 1: funking with the rich kids. Let's get them. So this

1523
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: is this is this is this is like this is

1524
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,760
Speaker 1: like this is like uh dellas fort worst like Evanston.

1525
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 1: I assume so yes, um. And when we would like

1526
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,439
Speaker 1: obviously like yeah they were the rich kids, they were

1527
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 1: also like the kids I would often get drugs from

1528
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: when I was like nineteen because they had like they

1529
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 1: had they had good drugs, you know. UM. So the

1530
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 1: other thing you should know about and Coppell is where

1531
01:37:07,080 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, um our boy Thomas Rousseau grows up in

1532
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, UM and in fact his senior

1533
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:16,840
Speaker 1: year is the year of the election. UM. And another

1534
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: thing you should know about Kapel is that, like all

1535
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 1: the Dallas metroplex, it's incredibly diverse. And it's also, I

1536
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 1: should know, incredibly diverse in a specific way. It's not

1537
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:31,679
Speaker 1: hugely economically diverse, UM, but it is has a massive

1538
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:37,640
Speaker 1: population of people from Southeast Asia, UM, from India, from Vietnam,

1539
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 1: from China, um and from Japan UM. And the You

1540
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: can kind of see that if you look at so

1541
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 1: Thomas Rousseau as a kid works for the Coppel High

1542
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,720
Speaker 1: school newspaper, the Sidekick, And if you if you go

1543
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: to the Sidekicks website today and if you look at

1544
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: its writers and its editorial staff, it is a bunch

1545
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 1: of kids from Southeast Asia. Now, Thomas so is extremely white, um,

1546
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 1: and he has, you know, his big things like replacement theory.

1547
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: He's been yelling about this for a very long time, UM,

1548
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 1: and so one kind of assumes this is probably where

1549
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 1: he started feeling that. Um. Although it's interesting if you

1550
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: look up, like one of the earliest articles, the SPLC

1551
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 1: has a pretty pretty good profile on him and back

1552
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: kind of at the start of UM. In February, he wrote,

1553
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: write this article about the school's diversity club, which is

1554
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: just a pretty normal you would not there's no signs

1555
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: in there. Not that I saw that, like he's going

1556
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 1: to be a Nazi in about a year. Like, it's

1557
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 1: just it's how like basically anybody who was writing a

1558
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: straight piece of reporting on a diversity club would write it.

1559
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:48,040
Speaker 1: You know, It's not like there's no signs in that article. Yeah,

1560
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 1: it's just because like the next article he writes is

1561
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 1: like completely off the rails. Yeah, like it's it's Trumps

1562
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,600
Speaker 1: at that point, because you know, February, Trump is still

1563
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: like I don't know, he's definitely becoming the front runner,

1564
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 1: but it's not clear what's going to happen yet. And

1565
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 1: by the time he writes his next article a couple

1566
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: in like October, it's a full on trumpy. Yeah. He's like,

1567
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like but by that point, like he

1568
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 1: started his great replacement stuff. He started, like, I mean,

1569
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:24,799
Speaker 1: he's doing that kind of like the the white working

1570
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 1: class has been like oppressed for too long and people

1571
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 1: keep calling them bracest and so they're voting for Trump

1572
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 1: now because they're simultaneously poor. But also like, but but

1573
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,880
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. It's like, you know, it's it's

1574
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:42,719
Speaker 1: an interesting sign of that kind of like what actually

1575
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 1: generates that kind of right wing populism because it's like,

1576
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,879
Speaker 1: so you have you have someone who's like going fascist

1577
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: really quickly writing this, and it's like, oh, where is

1578
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: he from? A wait, he's like just from like the

1579
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 1: incredible rich kid place. It's like it's it's it's it's

1580
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 1: it's fun he's doing Yeah, he's he's doing this sort

1581
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: of fascist version of the like working class whispering that yeah,

1582
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: kind of like rich Pundit's doing. And it's one of

1583
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,639
Speaker 1: the things the kind of black box mysteries with Rousseau

1584
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 1: that I haven't seen a great is like when when

1585
01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: does the actual switch flip in his head? Like when

1586
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 1: he writes that article about the school diversity club. Is

1587
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,720
Speaker 1: he already a fascist um or is he one of

1588
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: these people who like is kind of conservative and gets

1589
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: super radicalized by Trump because he had, you see throughout

1590
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: kind of because I get the feeling from him that

1591
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: he was always kind of like the conservative kid in

1592
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 1: his school paper in school media, and like you get

1593
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: you see, like he's writing, like the month after that

1594
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 1: diversity club article, he writes h an article about campus

1595
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 1: carry and is like supporting concealed carry on college campuses

1596
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: and is pretty like, uh, but it's also these are

1597
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 1: also like kind of it's also kind of a milk

1598
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 1: toast conservative take, Like it's not he's not like making

1599
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 1: an explicitly fascist argument. He's making the kind of arguments

1600
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,240
Speaker 1: that like I would have made in speech and debate

1601
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,320
Speaker 1: class as a conservative kid in North Texas when I

1602
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: was a senior. You see, like in May he's writing

1603
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:15,719
Speaker 1: an article about like bathroom bills and stuff that's that's

1604
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:20,160
Speaker 1: getting closer to kind of modern American fascist rhetoric. And

1605
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 1: then of course by like October he's he's fully on

1606
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:27,080
Speaker 1: the Trump train. Um. And he actually has a removed

1607
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:30,959
Speaker 1: opinion column after the election about like the Silent Majority,

1608
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: where he says, quote, the truth is, white voters, especially

1609
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 1: the working class, have had more than enough of being

1610
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 1: called racist, sexist, sinophobic, islamophobic, homophobic, and the rest of

1611
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 1: the usual trite buzzwords. The forgotten majority of the American

1612
01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 1: electorate has shown that, much to the dismay of the

1613
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 1: globalist agenda, that they have not yet been replaced by

1614
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: tens of millions of blue voting immigrants from abroad. And

1615
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 1: it's again, you can kind of there's a debate as

1616
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 1: to whether you can, I guess argue as to whether

1617
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 1: or not he had always been sort of a fascist

1618
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:59,639
Speaker 1: and just felt like more comfortable as the year went

1619
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 1: on open about it, or if he's getting radicalized. I

1620
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: feel like he's kind of getting radical. I can see.

1621
01:42:05,640 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 1: I can see in him like shades of everyone that

1622
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I knew back then at that point in time in

1623
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: my life, including me, like, well in this reminds so

1624
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 1: so I was I'm like a year older than he is, right,

1625
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: so I I I was out of high school by sixteen,

1626
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: but like I you know, i'd like I just graduated

1627
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 1: right like good. And I remember this with like people

1628
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:26,880
Speaker 1: with people that I knew who were like because I

1629
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 1: mean like, okay, like there were always people who were

1630
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 1: like really really like like we had a lot of

1631
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 1: like Fox News pilled like kill all the Muslims kids,

1632
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 1: but there are also people who like weren't like that,

1633
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 1: who were just like conservatives, and over the course of

1634
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: sixteen like they went really really like they radicalized really quickly.

1635
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: So it wouldn't surprise me if if she's doing the

1636
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:51,600
Speaker 1: same thing, because I think that was a lot of like,

1637
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 1: like I I washed a lot of sort of like

1638
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 1: more majority people get like who were kind of like

1639
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: on who weren't on the like absolute like right wing,

1640
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like who weren't unli the absolutely

1641
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:11,520
Speaker 1: hard right of that thing. We're kind of like conservative,

1642
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: but you know, like weren't actively invested in murdering every

1643
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 1: gapers And yeah, like those people just like a switch

1644
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 1: flipped and they like they just kind of went syco mode. Yeah,

1645
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: and that's that's where he goes. He goes like full

1646
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: on and I don't know you can. It's interesting because

1647
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 1: like his his primary job for the sidekick, the Cupell

1648
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 1: High school student newspaper is as like their their political cartoonist,

1649
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,360
Speaker 1: and he's he's mostly doing like really basic like clip

1650
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: art ship, which is what you see him doing for

1651
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 1: like Patriot Front. It's kind of the thing that distinguishes

1652
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: them is his like art style, UM and the propaganda

1653
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:52,600
Speaker 1: he makes. So you know he's there at United the

1654
01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 1: right in seen one of the guys he's there with

1655
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,360
Speaker 1: commits a terrorist attack. They spin off Patriot Front and

1656
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 1: for the next few years, most of what they'll do

1657
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 1: is these events where they'll like show up and they'll march. Um.

1658
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 1: It's worth noting that while they bring different kinds of

1659
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,120
Speaker 1: weapons to these events, mainly like you know, bludgeoning weapons,

1660
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 1: the kind of things you'd have for like a street fight,

1661
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 1: um and shields, these are not primarily violent events, and

1662
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 1: that like their goal is not to get into a fight.

1663
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 1: I think mainly not because they're not violent people, because

1664
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: they're scared of getting into a fight, um, and Rousseau's

1665
01:44:30,479 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 1: probably scared of getting in trouble for having a bunch

1666
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:35,599
Speaker 1: of people show up to riot. So most of what

1667
01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 1: they do is they'll do these flash mobs while there.

1668
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:40,280
Speaker 1: They'll get like a bunch of people together in the

1669
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 1: middle of the night or like on a day when

1670
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,719
Speaker 1: nobody expects it, and they'll march around d C or something.

1671
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 1: And then they'll get footage of themselves doing this march

1672
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 1: where you know, they can kind of uh take care

1673
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,400
Speaker 1: to make sure the angles make them look as impressive

1674
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 1: as possible, and then they'll put that up to try

1675
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 1: and get more members, um, so that they can put

1676
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:01,479
Speaker 1: up more propaganda. Right, they've had a couple of well

1677
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:06,320
Speaker 1: publicized failures. They showed up in Philadelphia. I think this

1678
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: was last year, right, and they again there's like thirty

1679
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: to fifty of them. They all like pilot of a

1680
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,599
Speaker 1: U haul. They're marching is like in their fascist uniforms,

1681
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: and like three dudes confront them and that fit like

1682
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:23,920
Speaker 1: three Philly guys just wreck their ship. Been so funny,

1683
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 1: I understand. I think it was from that. We're just

1684
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,559
Speaker 1: like there's like there's a video, it's it's just them

1685
01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 1: running away and there's like there's like objects flying through

1686
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:37,599
Speaker 1: the air, you know, like their little army confronts, like

1687
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: three random Philly We are just like, oh, this isn't

1688
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 1: any good. I don't know who these guys are, but

1689
01:45:43,240 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 1: there's no way this is good. Puck them up. Um,

1690
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:51,679
Speaker 1: it's a it's a perfect Philly moment. Um. So yeah,

1691
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,960
Speaker 1: and like that is their m o UM. And in

1692
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:57,559
Speaker 1: part because one thing you have to and I people

1693
01:45:58,120 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: can misinterpret what I'm saying here. They're probably the most

1694
01:46:01,240 --> 01:46:05,639
Speaker 1: disciplined of the fascist groups that do regular in person

1695
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 1: events UM because there's a lot of discipline required in

1696
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:12,639
Speaker 1: getting several dozen people together, getting them all to the

1697
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,719
Speaker 1: the area in the exact same mode of transport together.

1698
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,200
Speaker 1: That's why they all pile into u Hall's right. Roussou

1699
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 1: doesn't want to coordinate a big caravan UM. That would

1700
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 1: be messy. People would be arriving at different times, people

1701
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 1: would get lost or get stuck in traffic. He wants

1702
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: everyone together because he's again he's a fascist. So they're

1703
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 1: they're really um and they are are pretty consistent and

1704
01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 1: pretty good at getting everyone together and marching at the

1705
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 1: same time. So like on a logistic end, there's some

1706
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 1: things they do that are are competent, you know, um

1707
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: generally speaking. Now, the downside of this plan I've just

1708
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:50,040
Speaker 1: talked about like why getting everyone in a U hall

1709
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: can work and how it has worked for them in

1710
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,920
Speaker 1: the past. The downside of this is that everyone is

1711
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 1: in a U hall together. I mean, I think I

1712
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 1: think for them there there's they're I think there's some

1713
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 1: upside like for them doing this, which is that like

1714
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 1: I think on a sort of like on like a

1715
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 1: discipline level, on level of sort of like building this

1716
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 1: like like build building this sort of like culture of

1717
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:15,719
Speaker 1: like like community and like solidarity, but like the fascist

1718
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:18,479
Speaker 1: version of it is like, yeah, you have everyone suffering

1719
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:20,000
Speaker 1: together in the back of a U haul, which is

1720
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:24,719
Speaker 1: HoTT as shit and like has to smell like like

1721
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 1: like like death, like like yeah, it's like like imagine

1722
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 1: the worst locker room you've ever been in. But then

1723
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 1: it's been it's every everyone has been trapped in there

1724
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,439
Speaker 1: for a week. It's like, yeah, it's a it's a

1725
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 1: hot air balloon powered by Nazi farts, like that's that's

1726
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 1: what's going on there. And they're all just like and

1727
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,080
Speaker 1: it's it's very funny because like when they had done

1728
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 1: their last event or two and like this is like

1729
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 1: in the dead of winter in the East Coast that

1730
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: they do a couple of events and they have people

1731
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:56,639
Speaker 1: like nearly passing out from heat stroke in the back

1732
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: of the van. Yeah. Um, in the back of the

1733
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:02,719
Speaker 1: U haul because like it's not great to be scrammed

1734
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: in the back of you people. It's like, um, it sucks.

1735
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 1: But also like like that that suffering sort of like

1736
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 1: brings them together and makes them sort of like sure,

1737
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:15,680
Speaker 1: like yeah in a lot of ways, which sucks. But

1738
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 1: also yeah, the second modistical problem with this that I

1739
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 1: think you're about to get to. Yeah, so they try

1740
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 1: to Rousseau actually puts out specific like information about like, hey,

1741
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 1: here's how we need to prep for being crammed into

1742
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: a U haul together, and like advises that his dudes

1743
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:36,640
Speaker 1: start um uh spending time in saunas and ship in

1744
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 1: order to like toughen themselves up to avoid getting heat syncope. Um. Anyway,

1745
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:46,320
Speaker 1: there's a couple other things that are happening. One of

1746
01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 1: the things that we we know because one of the

1747
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:51,720
Speaker 1: funny things about Patriot Front, so they claim to have

1748
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,800
Speaker 1: an intense vetting process. You know, you're supposed to like

1749
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 1: message them with an application and then they they'll vet

1750
01:48:58,040 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 1: you before they let you into the chat rooms. They

1751
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 1: have been compromised since the day there started being a

1752
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 1: patriot Ye. I don't think there is a moment of

1753
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:08,639
Speaker 1: the time that they have existed that I haven't known

1754
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 1: multiple people who had logs of every conversation. Like they're

1755
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 1: so infiltrated. It is extreme, Like it's like it's like

1756
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:19,800
Speaker 1: the training wheels of anti fascist research, just like get

1757
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: into Patriot fronts chat rooms, Like there's always multiple people

1758
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:29,640
Speaker 1: in their documenting their ship. It's extremely funny. Um. And

1759
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:31,759
Speaker 1: so because of that we know a number of their tactics.

1760
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 1: One of the things that Rousseau has admitted to doing

1761
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 1: in the past is that like, well, when we start

1762
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 1: like heading towards wherever we're gonna you know, pile out

1763
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 1: of the thing in march, we'll call the cops and

1764
01:49:43,320 --> 01:49:45,719
Speaker 1: will inform them that we've seen a group of people

1765
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 1: with shields getting ready to march and that they don't

1766
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,599
Speaker 1: seem to have weapons, but they're about to be an

1767
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 1: x area. And they do this so that there will

1768
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 1: be cops on scene who will provide like an escort

1769
01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: for them, right, so that they won't get beaten up. Um,

1770
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,120
Speaker 1: Like they want the cops to be there to protect them,

1771
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 1: you know. Um. So Rousseau is like specifically bragged about

1772
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:08,559
Speaker 1: doing this in the past. There's also, like, as I stated,

1773
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 1: like the or as an organization, their events are not

1774
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:17,320
Speaker 1: geared towards like killing people, right, Like they're not they're

1775
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:20,320
Speaker 1: doing these marches to get videos. They're not like they're

1776
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: not even like the Proud Boys, where they're specifically showing

1777
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:24,639
Speaker 1: up to get into a brawl, right And every time

1778
01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: they do get into brawls they look very uncomfortable and

1779
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,719
Speaker 1: frightened in them, um, which is why he liked calls

1780
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: for police escorts and ship. Um that said, there there

1781
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:37,639
Speaker 1: are like again, they're a Nazi organization. They specifically preach

1782
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: replacement theory and yelled at their ancestors conquered America and

1783
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 1: so they deserve to own it all this ship. So

1784
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of them have been arrested for like guns stuff.

1785
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:49,599
Speaker 1: There's been a number of like people of Patriot Front

1786
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:53,240
Speaker 1: members arrested for like illegal machine guns and ship like that.

1787
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 1: That absolutely happens. People post about their illegal guns and

1788
01:50:56,280 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 1: stuff um. But as an organization, their mainly yeared towards

1789
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:05,680
Speaker 1: providing like propaganda uh that Thomas Rousseau likes. So they

1790
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: all gathered together and are heading into Quarterline, Idaho to

1791
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 1: confront this, and I suspect their goal. I suspect their

1792
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 1: Russeau's hope for how this was going to go was

1793
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:18,840
Speaker 1: they were going to pile out of their uhul, going

1794
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 1: to get their thirty ish guys all in lines together

1795
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:24,400
Speaker 1: in their uniforms, with their shields and with their their

1796
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: fucking fascist sticks or whatever, um, and they're gonna march

1797
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 1: through the middle of the pride gathering and and they

1798
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:34,599
Speaker 1: get video of people like scattering or backing away from

1799
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,679
Speaker 1: in front of them, not wanting to confront them, because

1800
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, there was a big group of them. I

1801
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 1: think that was the hope. I'm sure Rousseau was like, Hey,

1802
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 1: and maybe some anti FOO will try to fight and

1803
01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 1: we'll get some videos of us like fighting them with

1804
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 1: shields and that'll be good for recruitment. Um. But I

1805
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,640
Speaker 1: think the main goal was to get a video of

1806
01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 1: them scaring gay kids um and and looking like a

1807
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,480
Speaker 1: big scary nazi FEI links that they could use as propaganda.

1808
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,960
Speaker 1: Um now this goes to ship before they even get

1809
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 1: out of the U haul, because somebody calls the police

1810
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,679
Speaker 1: and reports what looks like a little army of guys

1811
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 1: with weapons and shields piling into a U haul. And

1812
01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 1: again the police are saying that this was a concerned

1813
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 1: citizen and it based on the kind of most recent reporting,

1814
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 1: it may just be a random citizen of Quarterline who

1815
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 1: actually like was for understandable reasons, right, if you like

1816
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: see this happening, you're like, yeah, maybe I should I

1817
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:29,479
Speaker 1: might need to call somebody about this. Yeah. Um, I

1818
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:32,599
Speaker 1: wouldn't call the cops necessarily, but you know, in this case,

1819
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 1: it seems to have worked out that said, knowing their background,

1820
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:39,800
Speaker 1: you have to acknowledge the possibility that they that it

1821
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:45,760
Speaker 1: was one of them who called the police. Impossible. Um now,

1822
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 1: there's initially reports that it was the FEDS reports, I

1823
01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 1: should say, from the cops on the scene. And again

1824
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 1: it's reasonable that journalists overhearing that recording it would report

1825
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,680
Speaker 1: on it that said cops on the scene are no

1826
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 1: more accurate about what actually has happened than like random

1827
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 1: passers by, and they're more likely just openly lie and

1828
01:53:07,439 --> 01:53:10,639
Speaker 1: and you know, I I would not. I'm certain there's

1829
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 1: a FED or or or four inside Patriot Front that

1830
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:17,719
Speaker 1: said it doesn't seem like this was a FED bust,

1831
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 1: although I you know, it's not impossible that it was,

1832
01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 1: because if you were the FEDS and you had a

1833
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 1: guy in here and you decided you want to arrest

1834
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 1: these people to avoid a potential Charlottesville kind of situation

1835
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 1: happening again, um, maybe you would want to just say

1836
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 1: it was like a random person who called I don't know,

1837
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,439
Speaker 1: this does not there's no reason that this needed to

1838
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 1: be a FED bust. They were not like this did

1839
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:45,679
Speaker 1: not require the FBI's infiltration capability to deal with. Like

1840
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 1: it it was a bunch of Nazis piling into a

1841
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:50,880
Speaker 1: U haul. I don't have trouble believing that some dude

1842
01:53:50,960 --> 01:53:55,559
Speaker 1: was just like, hey, hey cops. Yeah, and it's there's

1843
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 1: been a lot of like surprise online that like, the

1844
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,759
Speaker 1: cops did their job, but they went after these people.

1845
01:54:00,200 --> 01:54:02,720
Speaker 1: I think the surprise there is kind of based on

1846
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 1: some misconceptions, and these are misconceptions kind of pushed in

1847
01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:08,799
Speaker 1: part by the fact that over the last few years,

1848
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:13,519
Speaker 1: when we have seen fascist groups rally in places like Portland, UM,

1849
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:17,120
Speaker 1: or like Charlottesville. UM. For the United the Right rally,

1850
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 1: the cops tend to be on their side and tend

1851
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 1: to protect them. UM. But what you're looking at are

1852
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,360
Speaker 1: two different things in a lot of ways. Because the

1853
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 1: cops in a place like Portland, and I assume in

1854
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:29,720
Speaker 1: a place like Charlottesville, I'm not as familiar with their

1855
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:31,800
Speaker 1: police demographics, but I know this is the case in

1856
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 1: Portland don't live in Portland. They live in places like Battleground, Washington.

1857
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 1: You know. Um, they live in these these the surrounding

1858
01:54:39,120 --> 01:54:42,960
Speaker 1: more rural and suburban communities, and they don't like the

1859
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:45,280
Speaker 1: city that they police, and they kind of see them

1860
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 1: as an enemy. So when other people generally from similar

1861
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:52,680
Speaker 1: suburbs and rural communities as the cops show up to

1862
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 1: fight the kids that Portland cops don't like, um, the

1863
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:58,600
Speaker 1: Portland cops are going to be on the side of that.

1864
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:00,520
Speaker 1: And this is again you see version of this occur

1865
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:04,960
Speaker 1: around the country. In quart Aline, this was not like

1866
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 1: quarterline cops live in cort Aline, you know, like they

1867
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 1: they're from that community. And even if I'm sure a

1868
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,440
Speaker 1: number of them, if not many or most of them

1869
01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:18,880
Speaker 1: have like attitudes towards you know, have said some negative

1870
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 1: things about gay people. These are also like they're probably

1871
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 1: some of them are probably related to people with that

1872
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 1: pride rally. Um this is and in general these are

1873
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 1: like there's they are probably seeing this as like, well,

1874
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 1: whatever I think about pride. These are people who live

1875
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 1: in quart Aline and a bunch of folks from outside

1876
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 1: of the state are driving into funk with them. They're

1877
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:40,720
Speaker 1: not generally going to be on board with that. And

1878
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:44,560
Speaker 1: as a general rule, also, cops don't like people coming

1879
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 1: in to their town like home to cause trouble. And

1880
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 1: these are people from like eleven different states entering Idaho

1881
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:55,240
Speaker 1: to like funk with people who live in Idaho. I'm

1882
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 1: not surprised that the police actually did something here. Um.

1883
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't like mean that these are the good cops

1884
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 1: that were mythically all looking for. It just means that

1885
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 1: like nobody wants this happening in their hometown. Like nobody

1886
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:10,960
Speaker 1: nobody wants these assholes running into town dressed as like

1887
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:14,560
Speaker 1: little Hitler youth guys and marching around like that's like,

1888
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 1: of course they don't want that. Who would? Um, So

1889
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:20,960
Speaker 1: the cops pull over this fucking new haul. Um, there's

1890
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 1: the footage of it is some of the funniest ship

1891
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:27,920
Speaker 1: on the space of the Earth's so good because they

1892
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:29,960
Speaker 1: just roll up the back of this thing. There's like

1893
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:32,960
Speaker 1: some fucking quardling cop with an a R like pointed

1894
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:36,960
Speaker 1: in there, and there's just all these fucking goober Nazis

1895
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 1: and they're they're fucking Polos and Khakis and their fascist gators. Um, god,

1896
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 1: it's good. I look up this footage. If you can

1897
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:49,440
Speaker 1: find you owe yourself to do this. It's amazing. We

1898
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 1: should state we're not really We'll be getting more coverage

1899
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:54,720
Speaker 1: to what happens and what happened elsewhere on this day.

1900
01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:56,600
Speaker 1: You had a lot of ugly ship happened to day

1901
01:56:56,600 --> 01:56:58,680
Speaker 1: in Quardlinge because there are a lot of heavily armed

1902
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:02,160
Speaker 1: fascists rallying who are are in many cases locals or

1903
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:06,000
Speaker 1: from nearby places like Spokane. Um, Matt Shay, who is

1904
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:09,920
Speaker 1: a former state legislator from Washington who lives nearby, who

1905
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:14,080
Speaker 1: is a accused domestic terrorist, leads a march through quard Aline.

1906
01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,760
Speaker 1: These guys are not stopped by the cops right in

1907
01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:20,680
Speaker 1: part because like they're not a bunch of dudes from

1908
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:23,160
Speaker 1: out of state showing up to march around in ridiculous

1909
01:57:23,240 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 1: Nazi uniforms. Right, the police are notably less concerned about

1910
01:57:26,640 --> 01:57:28,920
Speaker 1: the guys in a R fifteen and plate carriers than

1911
01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 1: they are about Patriot Front, which is again it's because

1912
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 1: of like what's actually going on here, you know, um,

1913
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 1: but there are like armed people fright like threatening and

1914
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:43,720
Speaker 1: and trying to confront or at least standing around outside

1915
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:45,320
Speaker 1: of a Pride march in a way that you know,

1916
01:57:45,360 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 1: if you're doing that with a bunch of guns, that's concerning.

1917
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:51,160
Speaker 1: Anti fascists show up to protest them and very successfully

1918
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:54,840
Speaker 1: kind of keep a wall between the folks showing up

1919
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:59,600
Speaker 1: for Pride and the folks rallying with guns. Um, So

1920
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:01,520
Speaker 1: that it is a thing that is happening. I don't

1921
01:58:01,560 --> 01:58:04,000
Speaker 1: want to This has been the thing that has kind

1922
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,120
Speaker 1: of like gotten the most attention from Quarterly and I

1923
01:58:06,160 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 1: don't think that's bad, like from a standpoint of like

1924
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:12,560
Speaker 1: what is useful Seeing a bunch of Nazis get their

1925
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 1: ship like wrecked is definitely an ideal takeaway from the

1926
01:58:17,080 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 1: Quarterline event because, especially considering the amount of violence I

1927
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:23,360
Speaker 1: think we were all worried might occur there Um, I'm

1928
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:26,160
Speaker 1: very happy that the primary takeaway is Patriot Front all

1929
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:29,879
Speaker 1: got arrested. Um, But the things that we were concerned

1930
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:32,400
Speaker 1: about there again, there's a bunch of dudes show up

1931
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:34,600
Speaker 1: with guns to stare at a Pride rally. That's not

1932
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:39,080
Speaker 1: a not a positive development. But this group of Nazis

1933
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:42,400
Speaker 1: all get arrested, and that is positive because it's extremely

1934
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 1: funny and sometimes it's nice for things to just be funny. Um.

1935
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 1: So the next kind of thing you see from Patriot

1936
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: Front is them all pulled out of a U haul

1937
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 1: on their knees, handcuffed, getting arrested one by one, uh

1938
01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:58,680
Speaker 1: and taken to a jail and quarterly there's some very

1939
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:01,800
Speaker 1: funny quotes were like the police are being gas do

1940
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:03,760
Speaker 1: you even have room for all these people? And they're like, oh,

1941
01:59:03,800 --> 01:59:10,959
Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. Like, don't worry, it's um Rousseau

1942
01:59:11,000 --> 01:59:15,040
Speaker 1: and a bunch of guys are in getting criminal conspiracy charges. Um,

1943
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:18,560
Speaker 1: they're all getting conspiracy to riot, which is a misdemeanor.

1944
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 1: There's some rumors that a journalist posted that a number

1945
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:25,520
Speaker 1: of them have illegal had illegal guns and they're getting

1946
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:28,280
Speaker 1: illegal gun charges. I haven't seen confirmation about that. I'd

1947
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 1: be shocked if some of them were not carrying guns

1948
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:34,640
Speaker 1: in the state of Idaho. Anybody can right. UM. I

1949
01:59:34,720 --> 01:59:37,160
Speaker 1: do think they were specifically violating the law by having

1950
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:40,160
Speaker 1: firearms while sitting in the box back of a box truck,

1951
01:59:40,240 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 1: because I think, for like reasons of accidents that have

1952
01:59:43,240 --> 01:59:46,440
Speaker 1: happened hunting, you're not supposed to do that in Idaho. UM.

1953
01:59:46,480 --> 01:59:50,080
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen charges as a result of that. Um.

1954
01:59:50,120 --> 01:59:52,640
Speaker 1: It's debatable as to what's going to stick. However, there's

1955
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:55,400
Speaker 1: reasons to kind of suspect that something will because they

1956
01:59:55,440 --> 01:59:58,840
Speaker 1: had like seven or whatever page plan for how to

1957
01:59:59,160 --> 02:00:04,000
Speaker 1: handle the like they had their little riot notes. Oh god,

1958
02:00:04,240 --> 02:00:07,080
Speaker 1: they had like sticks and a smoke bomb and stuff.

1959
02:00:07,160 --> 02:00:10,840
Speaker 1: So it's not like an impossible case to convict them.

1960
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:15,280
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, like, you're not you're not

1961
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:18,320
Speaker 1: asking like the moon of the police in this instance,

1962
02:00:18,360 --> 02:00:20,320
Speaker 1: to like or of the prosecutors or whatever to be

1963
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:24,320
Speaker 1: able to actually convict UM. So we'll see what happens. UM.

1964
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:28,120
Speaker 1: What's definitely happening is that this is very funny. Um.

1965
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:32,280
Speaker 1: Patriot Front is extremely incompetent. I would not take this

1966
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:35,080
Speaker 1: as a broader sign that like number one, the police

1967
02:00:35,120 --> 02:00:40,120
Speaker 1: are taking threats against Pride rallies. More seriously, No, Um,

1968
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:42,080
Speaker 1: I would not take this as a broader sign that

1969
02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:46,600
Speaker 1: like fascists are are are getting heavily stopped. I also wouldn't.

1970
02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:50,040
Speaker 1: There's also been people saying that like and again this

1971
02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 1: is coming from that journalists who claim that, like there's

1972
02:00:52,280 --> 02:00:54,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of gun charges pending, and maybe there are,

1973
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:58,120
Speaker 1: but like, I think the comment she made was like

1974
02:00:58,240 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 1: a massacre was averted. I do not believe Patriot Front

1975
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:05,320
Speaker 1: was planning to massacre or anybody there's That's just that's

1976
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 1: not their m o. That's not like again, not that

1977
02:01:08,600 --> 02:01:11,400
Speaker 1: they're not Nazis, not that they don't want people dead,

1978
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:14,960
Speaker 1: but like they're like, these guys are like the milk

1979
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:17,880
Speaker 1: toast is baby ist Nazis, right, they show up and

1980
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:22,160
Speaker 1: they march around in their fucking like Tommy hill Figer

1981
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:25,520
Speaker 1: Nazi uniforms. You know, like they're not these are not

1982
02:01:26,240 --> 02:01:29,640
Speaker 1: folks planning in an organized capacity to commit acts of

1983
02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:33,200
Speaker 1: mass violence. Um, because that would be scary to them

1984
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:36,960
Speaker 1: because they're mostly like suburban middle class kids. Um. One

1985
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:38,880
Speaker 1: of the funniest things that has come out of this

1986
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:41,480
Speaker 1: is like one of the Nazis who get arrested in

1987
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:44,920
Speaker 1: Idaho's mom has started doing the news because she's like,

1988
02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:47,240
Speaker 1: I kicked him out of the house. I keep trying

1989
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:48,880
Speaker 1: to get him to I don't know what to do

1990
02:01:48,960 --> 02:01:51,040
Speaker 1: to get him out of this group. So I've told

1991
02:01:51,080 --> 02:01:53,600
Speaker 1: him he can't live with me anymore because after his divorce,

1992
02:01:53,720 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 1: he's been living with me. Um, and I'm going to

1993
02:01:57,240 --> 02:01:59,120
Speaker 1: talk to the media about the fact that my son

1994
02:01:59,240 --> 02:02:01,520
Speaker 1: is a stupid Nazi until he stops being one. I

1995
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:03,520
Speaker 1: don't know what else to do. And it does sound

1996
02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:06,880
Speaker 1: like she's really legitimately like trying to grapple with like

1997
02:02:06,920 --> 02:02:08,720
Speaker 1: I don't know why he's doing this. I don't know

1998
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:10,440
Speaker 1: how to stop it, but like it seems like the

1999
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:13,480
Speaker 1: best thing I can do is embarrass him, um, which

2000
02:02:13,680 --> 02:02:18,720
Speaker 1: is I think probably a good move on her part. Yeah. Um,

2001
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:21,040
Speaker 1: there's a fun Daily Beast article about that. You could

2002
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:23,600
Speaker 1: really hear her frustrations, like I don't know why he's

2003
02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:29,440
Speaker 1: doing this, like it all started around. It's very frustrating

2004
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:33,040
Speaker 1: you feel for her. So I don't know, Chris, you

2005
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:35,880
Speaker 1: got anything else to say about Patriot Front. I I

2006
02:02:35,960 --> 02:02:38,120
Speaker 1: do think it's extremely funny that, like, well, I don't.

2007
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. In some sense, it's funny. In some sense,

2008
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:42,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of disturbing, which is that like the rights

2009
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:45,520
Speaker 1: reaction to this was immediately to accuse all of him

2010
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:49,640
Speaker 1: and being Feds. Yeah, I mean, which, like it's interesting

2011
02:02:49,640 --> 02:02:53,640
Speaker 1: to me that, like that's just like anytime something happens

2012
02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:55,920
Speaker 1: in the US now, like and this is this is

2013
02:02:55,920 --> 02:03:00,600
Speaker 1: across almost the entire political spectrum, everyone immediately this was

2014
02:03:00,640 --> 02:03:02,360
Speaker 1: the Feds or so sometime sometimes sometimes you get it

2015
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:06,120
Speaker 1: was Russia because sometimes you yeah, because it's like if

2016
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:07,800
Speaker 1: you're someone who like the Feds are the good guys,

2017
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:09,400
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you need another person who did all this.

2018
02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:13,840
Speaker 1: So like that's disturbing and kind of grim to me

2019
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:17,240
Speaker 1: that it's it's literally everyone with everything has just turned

2020
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:21,000
Speaker 1: into Alex Jones. And it's like, yeah, you know, I

2021
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:24,280
Speaker 1: think the motivation for that on all the sides, there's

2022
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:27,960
Speaker 1: definitely like a core of legitimate belief that because the

2023
02:03:27,960 --> 02:03:30,960
Speaker 1: Feds infiltrating the FEDS have infiltrated a lot of fascist groups,

2024
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:33,120
Speaker 1: and the FEDS have you know, had a history of

2025
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:36,080
Speaker 1: infiltrating left wing groups and whatnot, Like the Feds have

2026
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 1: done a lot of this stuff, so that makes some

2027
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:41,560
Speaker 1: people paranoid. But also I think if you are on

2028
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:45,880
Speaker 1: the grifter end of things, right, and you want to

2029
02:03:45,880 --> 02:03:50,160
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff, but you don't actually want uh

2030
02:03:50,200 --> 02:03:53,520
Speaker 1: to put yourself at risk, Um, that's an easy way

2031
02:03:53,600 --> 02:03:57,360
Speaker 1: to kind of divorce your listeners and supporters and stuff

2032
02:03:57,400 --> 02:04:01,640
Speaker 1: from the stuff that's potentially illegal is by saying, well,

2033
02:04:01,680 --> 02:04:04,600
Speaker 1: that's all the Feds. Um. Yeah. And I think also

2034
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:08,480
Speaker 1: especially like I think people are I don't know, it's

2035
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:10,240
Speaker 1: more frustrating on the left because people do it with

2036
02:04:10,280 --> 02:04:12,320
Speaker 1: stuff that like the PR is actually pretty good. But

2037
02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:14,480
Speaker 1: like with people on the right, there's a lot of

2038
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:16,680
Speaker 1: like this has become one of their sort of like

2039
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:19,680
Speaker 1: pr management things of like anytime something looks bad for them, no,

2040
02:04:19,800 --> 02:04:22,360
Speaker 1: it was the Feds, and it's like no. And I

2041
02:04:22,440 --> 02:04:24,840
Speaker 1: don't think that's on the right at least I think

2042
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:27,360
Speaker 1: it's there. I think there's more legitimate belief that it's

2043
02:04:27,400 --> 02:04:30,040
Speaker 1: the FEDS on folks in the left to do this. Yeah.

2044
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:32,640
Speaker 1: I think on the right it is nearly always just

2045
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 1: like this is how you do damage control, Like this

2046
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:37,680
Speaker 1: is how we this is how we distract from the

2047
02:04:37,680 --> 02:04:40,120
Speaker 1: fact that our guys keep carrying out attacks or whatever,

2048
02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:45,320
Speaker 1: or in this case that our our dudes are profoundly embarrassing. Yeah,

2049
02:04:46,760 --> 02:04:48,760
Speaker 1: um is you is You're like no, that was the

2050
02:04:48,840 --> 02:04:53,040
Speaker 1: FBI packing thirty federal agents into the back of a

2051
02:04:53,200 --> 02:04:57,560
Speaker 1: U haul and getting arrested by the cord Alone police.

2052
02:04:58,400 --> 02:05:02,400
Speaker 1: A classic FBI if I've ever seen what my favorite

2053
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:03,880
Speaker 1: one of those people who like, you're never going to

2054
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:06,200
Speaker 1: see the names of any of these people, like literally

2055
02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:09,040
Speaker 1: two hours later, every single person got booked, all of

2056
02:05:09,080 --> 02:05:13,920
Speaker 1: their names, of their names, every newspaper and it is again,

2057
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:18,240
Speaker 1: this does show you how the quarter Aline police don't

2058
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:21,160
Speaker 1: want people coming in from out of town to funk

2059
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:23,480
Speaker 1: with people who live in cort Aline. That's not a

2060
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:27,560
Speaker 1: them being woke. They like nobody no cops like that

2061
02:05:27,680 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 1: sort of ship. Yeah, yeah, like yeah, yeah, these guys

2062
02:05:31,800 --> 02:05:33,480
Speaker 1: are these guys are at the hometown fascist right, like

2063
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:36,840
Speaker 1: they're they're fine with Yeah, they're finely exactly Biblical basis

2064
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:39,680
Speaker 1: award dude, just like yeah, but these are like, these

2065
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:43,240
Speaker 1: are weird out of town fascists and it's like, yeah, cops,

2066
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't know there. Yeah, And it's they're very territorial.

2067
02:05:48,240 --> 02:05:50,000
Speaker 1: One of the one of the ways you can see

2068
02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:52,440
Speaker 1: the territoriality is like the first thing the quarter Aline

2069
02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:54,720
Speaker 1: police do is be like, oh, we're going to give

2070
02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:58,560
Speaker 1: everyone's name and where they live. Like we're doing that immediately.

2071
02:05:59,080 --> 02:06:01,360
Speaker 1: And of course the the backlash to that from the

2072
02:06:01,400 --> 02:06:03,800
Speaker 1: fascist has been that now a bunch of fascists are

2073
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:08,200
Speaker 1: doxing and calling in death threats to Quarterline cops. Um.

2074
02:06:08,240 --> 02:06:11,160
Speaker 1: Which again there's this open question of like, are any

2075
02:06:11,160 --> 02:06:13,680
Speaker 1: of these charges gonna stick for Patriot Front. The fact

2076
02:06:13,680 --> 02:06:16,520
Speaker 1: that an organized flood of death threats is going in

2077
02:06:16,600 --> 02:06:20,120
Speaker 1: for the police charging them is not good for their cases.

2078
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:26,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, they're just they're just it's like, guys, guys,

2079
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:29,560
Speaker 1: some free cop advice for me. Cops don't like getting

2080
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:37,200
Speaker 1: death threats, so that that really makes them angry. Yeah. Um,

2081
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:41,360
Speaker 1: so that's funny. I don't know what else to say

2082
02:06:41,360 --> 02:06:45,360
Speaker 1: about it. Uh, it is pretty funny. Um. There's aspect

2083
02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:47,960
Speaker 1: again the broader problem of there were a bunch of

2084
02:06:48,080 --> 02:06:53,200
Speaker 1: dudes with a RS showing up to to threaten um

2085
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:55,800
Speaker 1: a pride gathering was not fun, although also a lot

2086
02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:59,560
Speaker 1: of folks showed up to defend and support those people. Um.

2087
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:02,320
Speaker 1: And I I think I think also like from from

2088
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:03,840
Speaker 1: what I'm from they're putting. This is like one of

2089
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,600
Speaker 1: the largest part events I've ever had, So like I

2090
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:09,400
Speaker 1: think we're about people. Yeah, yeah, people. People aren't being

2091
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:14,560
Speaker 1: like as an intimidation tactic. It's not working. It does

2092
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:17,200
Speaker 1: not have worked. Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's work.

2093
02:07:17,240 --> 02:07:19,640
Speaker 1: It's it's it's working in so far as it's it's

2094
02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:22,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's further radicalizing the right. But like it's not.

2095
02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:26,680
Speaker 1: It hasn't gotten to the point where, like I don't know,

2096
02:07:26,720 --> 02:07:29,840
Speaker 1: people like it hasn't gone to the point where like

2097
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:32,240
Speaker 1: these things just are like Pride events just aren't happening

2098
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:36,280
Speaker 1: because there because the threat is great enough. So yeah,

2099
02:07:36,720 --> 02:07:41,640
Speaker 1: and I I would say, broadly speaking, if you kind

2100
02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:43,800
Speaker 1: of look at all of the things that we saw

2101
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:48,840
Speaker 1: in the quarterly event, it's some more more positive signs.

2102
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:52,200
Speaker 1: The negative ones. Um, the negative stuff is stuff that

2103
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:55,920
Speaker 1: we have seen a lot before. The militia ship um,

2104
02:07:56,080 --> 02:07:59,760
Speaker 1: the folks rallying to defend those people, the people turning

2105
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:02,480
Speaker 1: up for the Pride event, Um, that's all positive. And

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Speaker 1: of course the most prominent fascists at the event embarrassing themselves.

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Speaker 1: Like that's positive. So I am I feel I I

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02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:14,000
Speaker 1: do feel like we were all worried over here about

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Speaker 1: how the event in Quarterline was going to go. I

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Speaker 1: feel really good about how it it went, which is

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Speaker 1: not too especially I know that there's folks from Quarterline.

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Speaker 1: They're not to minimize the problems and the threats faced,

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Speaker 1: especially from people in Idaho, because boy, that is rough

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Speaker 1: territory to be organizing in defense of LGBT people. UM,

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Speaker 1: but I I think, broadly speaking, more good news than

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02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:46,360
Speaker 1: bad news from from Quarterline. So I wanna give our

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Speaker 1: appreciation and thanks to the folks who showed up in

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Speaker 1: Quarterline UM to support this event to confront the fascists. UM,

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Speaker 1: y'all are awesome and doing something difficult in a place

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Speaker 1: that need you to be doing that. So thank you.

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02:09:18,240 --> 02:09:28,840
Speaker 1: Here we go it could happen here podcast where our

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02:09:28,920 --> 02:09:31,600
Speaker 1: intros get increasingly more segmented as you've realized we have

2123
02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:34,280
Speaker 1: no idea who was going to do the intro. Yeah,

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02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:37,600
Speaker 1: we've never, at no point during the existence of this

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02:09:37,680 --> 02:09:40,280
Speaker 1: show or its growth, have we have we planned a

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02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:42,640
Speaker 1: single thing or talked about how to do our jobs.

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Speaker 1: I've never. I don't even know who who we who

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Speaker 1: we are? UM, we are all meeting for the first time. Um,

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Speaker 1: I have that disease that Adam Sandler has or what's

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02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:54,919
Speaker 1: her name has in that Adam Sandler movie where he forgets,

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02:09:55,080 --> 02:09:57,920
Speaker 1: she forgets everything every day. That's me. But Drew Baron

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Speaker 1: wore is that? That's right? That's right, Cherie Drew anymore,

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Speaker 1: I forgot I forgot it. But I can just is

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Speaker 1: the same thing as a memento, because that's all I

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Speaker 1: can think of. Yes, Sandler and Memento. Yes, Adam Sandler's

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Speaker 1: Memento my favorite movie. Well, we should probably introduce the

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Speaker 1: episode today. Yeah, so it's me. It's just for Wong.

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Speaker 1: And today we're doing an episode that is uh, you know, okay,

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Speaker 1: we we we've we've we've we've been forced feeding you

2140
02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:29,360
Speaker 1: really grim stuff for a long time. So today we

2141
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Speaker 1: working to an episode about southern colonialism and politics and

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02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 1: board games because that's also extremely cool and it does

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02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,800
Speaker 1: not I mean, it is kind of depressing, but it

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02:10:38,880 --> 02:10:44,080
Speaker 1: involves less doom than normal. And yeah, and with me

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02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:47,240
Speaker 1: talk about this that it is is Sharine or our

2146
02:10:47,320 --> 02:10:50,400
Speaker 1: wonderful producer who also writes for us, and it is

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02:10:50,440 --> 02:10:55,000
Speaker 1: great and we love thanks, I'm here. Yeah, and Robert

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Speaker 1: who we we tolerate. H Oh, that's nice to you.

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Speaker 1: You shouldn't, but we do. Kyle, it's nice to meet you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And also we have Kyle from Strange Matters. Yes, yes,

2151
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Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Flannery. I'm my editor and co owner of

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Speaker 1: Strange Matters magazine. A. I guess we technically have now launched,

2153
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:18,480
Speaker 1: even with the print issues are not in people's hands.

2154
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:23,320
Speaker 1: A new leftist culture and politics magazine here to be,

2155
02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:29,960
Speaker 1: uh the consulting super nerd h awesome. Yeah, I am

2156
02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:33,760
Speaker 1: very sad. I mean, well, okay, I feel like weirdly

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Speaker 1: for a group of people that I'm in, I have

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Speaker 1: probably played the least board games of anyone here, which

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Speaker 1: is Yeah. So when when I was a kid, my

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02:11:44,720 --> 02:11:47,200
Speaker 1: my board game was Risk. Yeah, I did a bunch

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Speaker 1: of others. I played like hero Quest and obviously Access,

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02:11:49,640 --> 02:11:52,800
Speaker 1: and I'll say I say I played Access and Allies.

2163
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:55,720
Speaker 1: I set up Access and Allies forwards many a time,

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02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:58,360
Speaker 1: and then gave up after like fifteen minutes of playing game.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's that's how. That's how I here. Request, Yeah,

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02:12:01,200 --> 02:12:04,080
Speaker 1: because I was like a Request rule book and I

2167
02:12:04,080 --> 02:12:05,400
Speaker 1: was like, I have no idea what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: Like ten but no, specifically my fucking thing. We would

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02:12:11,440 --> 02:12:14,480
Speaker 1: speech and debate tournaments. You know, because when you do it,

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Speaker 1: you're basically out for a whole weekend, sometimes three days,

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02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:21,520
Speaker 1: sometimes like four, um, and you're basically living in this school.

2172
02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:24,640
Speaker 1: But but you have like maybe one or two hours

2173
02:12:24,680 --> 02:12:26,040
Speaker 1: of stuff per day and the rest of the time

2174
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Speaker 1: you're just hanging around hearing how your friends are doing.

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02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:30,919
Speaker 1: Is like, the competition goes on and we would play

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02:12:31,240 --> 02:12:34,080
Speaker 1: epic specifically Lord of the Rings Risk. We would have

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Speaker 1: these massive risk games. Oh I have Yeah, I have

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Speaker 1: very good memories playing Lord of the Rings risk with

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Speaker 1: my friends. Yeah, I just had the normal vanilla risk. Wow,

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02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:45,920
Speaker 1: I was really missing out. I just think remember being

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Speaker 1: at a bachelor party where after we finished all the

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02:12:50,240 --> 02:12:53,360
Speaker 1: normal bachelor party stuff, we crawled back to the place

2183
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Speaker 1: where everybody's gonna camp out for the night, and so

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Speaker 1: we managed to convince one of the other groomsmen that

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Speaker 1: a game of risk when he takes about an hour,

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Speaker 1: he did this like this, like it was like three

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Speaker 1: in the morning. Yeah, it was the wedding that day. Yeah,

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02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:11,640
Speaker 1: it was like three on the day of the wedding.

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Speaker 1: It was an act of extraordinary cruelty. Anyway, he didn't

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Speaker 1: get married, but he didn't take Comchotka, which is really

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Speaker 1: key to his his plans to assault North America. We

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Speaker 1: we we shockingly did all make it to the wedding,

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02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:28,680
Speaker 1: which was very much a risk, very much a risk. Yeah,

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02:13:28,760 --> 02:13:32,800
Speaker 1: very much a risk. Uh. Yeah, that's why it's called that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was smart enough to just go, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to bed. I'm not doing three am risk.

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Speaker 1: That's not happy. But yeah, I guess to kind of

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Speaker 1: back up in front a little bit of context about

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Speaker 1: why I kind of thought this was so worth talking about,

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Speaker 1: because I'm guessing that there's some readers at home who

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Speaker 1: are having a very common thought, which is, why why

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Speaker 1: are you talking about board games? Like who cares? Um?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm reminded little bit of the little

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02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:02,800
Speaker 1: tweet joke from a while ago of a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago. I'm gona talk about a little while ago

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02:14:04,600 --> 02:14:08,720
Speaker 1: of on Star Trek they have the uh you know,

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02:14:08,760 --> 02:14:12,440
Speaker 1: they've got there what do they call that? The Holi Deck? Uh?

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02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:15,080
Speaker 1: They about the Holi Deck. And but for some reason,

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Speaker 1: every week everybody's into some weird new board game. What

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Speaker 1: the hell is going on? With that. Uh. And for

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Speaker 1: the people who aren't aware of this kind of sector

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02:14:23,200 --> 02:14:27,720
Speaker 1: of nerddom, board games are actually massively more popular than

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Speaker 1: they were when I was a child, when osmlenules were young.

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Speaker 1: And a large part of that point has actually been

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Speaker 1: from game developers themselves. Uh. The people who make your

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Speaker 1: video games absolutely fucking love board games. Uh. And it's

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Speaker 1: for a pretty simple reason, which is that you know,

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02:14:43,000 --> 02:14:45,520
Speaker 1: all of the rules to the game. Board games are

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02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:49,040
Speaker 1: naked before your eyes. You have you have stripped them

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Speaker 1: down to their their atomic components before you have done anything.

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Speaker 1: And that means that if you are interested in the

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Speaker 1: art of how a game works, uh, they're actually wonderful

2223
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Speaker 1: case studies because you can see very quickly the way

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Speaker 1: that you move from what the mechanic is doing to

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02:15:04,640 --> 02:15:06,520
Speaker 1: like what it means. Whereas in a video game that

2226
02:15:06,520 --> 02:15:07,680
Speaker 1: can be a lot more obscure, it can be a

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Speaker 1: lot more complicated, and it requires it can require a

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Speaker 1: lot of digging. You don't have to. You know, I

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02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:16,280
Speaker 1: am enough of a turb owner that I have broken

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Speaker 1: into the game's files for video various video games I've

2231
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:21,840
Speaker 1: played and ripped out the code and looked at it

2232
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:25,240
Speaker 1: and been like, so that's the drop rate because again

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02:15:25,400 --> 02:15:28,320
Speaker 1: I'm a consulting turb owner here. But with the board game,

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02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:29,840
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that. You just know all

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Speaker 1: of the rules upfront. Uh, and so you know if

2236
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:37,000
Speaker 1: you're uh and so that that's you know, reveal, I

2237
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:39,280
Speaker 1: can reveal a lot about what the designer's intentions are,

2238
02:15:39,320 --> 02:15:41,960
Speaker 1: what they're communicating, and how that communication all works. So

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02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:45,920
Speaker 1: that's that was kind of my start point here. Should

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Speaker 1: I just keep on going and explain what the hell

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02:15:47,240 --> 02:15:48,680
Speaker 1: is going on with this article that I'm about? Yeah,

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02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:51,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I was going to note that the primary

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02:15:51,120 --> 02:15:53,960
Speaker 1: board game played in Star Trek T and G was

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02:15:53,960 --> 02:15:59,160
Speaker 1: was was Stratagema in the uh, the classic episode in

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02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:01,960
Speaker 1: which data has to get really good at what is

2246
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:09,160
Speaker 1: basically holographic chess. Um. Yes, anyway, you talked about Star

2247
02:16:09,200 --> 02:16:12,120
Speaker 1: Trek the next generation. So now that's that's all. That's

2248
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:14,080
Speaker 1: good the way to get to the awful board games

2249
02:16:14,120 --> 02:16:18,000
Speaker 1: from d S nine. Oh god, yeah, there's I mean,

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Speaker 1: Strategy M is pretty ridiculous and the episode is very silly,

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02:16:22,280 --> 02:16:24,640
Speaker 1: but it's it's one of the more fun data episodes.

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02:16:26,680 --> 02:16:28,320
Speaker 1: Episode from d S nine I think is only considered

2253
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:32,000
Speaker 1: the worst episode in all of d S nine. Yeah, yeah,

2254
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's I think the worst episode of Star

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02:16:34,280 --> 02:16:36,360
Speaker 1: Trek the Next Generation is not the board game, but

2256
02:16:36,440 --> 02:16:38,800
Speaker 1: it's the one where Riker and his dad fight in

2257
02:16:39,160 --> 02:16:42,000
Speaker 1: what's basically American gladiator, you do, where they have to

2258
02:16:42,200 --> 02:16:45,480
Speaker 1: have the bandit sticks that they have to fight the

2259
02:16:45,640 --> 02:16:50,560
Speaker 1: ultimate martial art. Anyway, please continue, So so talk. So

2260
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Speaker 1: I wrote this article that has is upcoming in publication.

2261
02:16:53,360 --> 02:16:55,520
Speaker 1: It's going to be in our first issue, uh, And

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02:16:55,959 --> 02:16:59,400
Speaker 1: it's about a particular trend that I noticed in board

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02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:02,240
Speaker 1: games that there were a lot of board games that

2264
02:17:02,480 --> 02:17:05,240
Speaker 1: were in terms of what was actually going on on

2265
02:17:05,360 --> 02:17:08,680
Speaker 1: the board, they were incredibly violent, but they managed to

2266
02:17:08,879 --> 02:17:11,520
Speaker 1: make it look like there was no violence going on.

2267
02:17:12,600 --> 02:17:16,160
Speaker 1: And so I actually I'm grateful for Robert for talking

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Speaker 1: about the games that you talked about, you know, Access

2269
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:21,400
Speaker 1: and Allies and Risk. Uh, even like Monopoly, these are

2270
02:17:21,480 --> 02:17:24,199
Speaker 1: games that are in was generally known as the American tradition,

2271
02:17:24,320 --> 02:17:26,879
Speaker 1: where the goal is to eliminate all the opposing players

2272
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:30,920
Speaker 1: to be the last last one standing. Yes, like everything

2273
02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:34,520
Speaker 1: in American it is like one person wins by using

2274
02:17:34,560 --> 02:17:37,760
Speaker 1: either violence or capitalism on the you you survive, you

2275
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:41,080
Speaker 1: outsurvive all of your opponents. Uh, because that was what

2276
02:17:41,160 --> 02:17:43,440
Speaker 1: we do in America. We just survive. We just pray

2277
02:17:43,560 --> 02:17:46,600
Speaker 1: to God that there is somehow at tomorrow and by God,

2278
02:17:46,720 --> 02:17:51,720
Speaker 1: they're going to take Comchatka. Political stance as an American

2279
02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:54,880
Speaker 1: is that we will take the Comchatka Peninsula and we're

2280
02:17:54,920 --> 02:17:58,440
Speaker 1: going to take Australia. For those three extra armies that

2281
02:17:58,520 --> 02:18:02,600
Speaker 1: Australia strategies, I feel like half the risk strategy, half

2282
02:18:02,640 --> 02:18:04,440
Speaker 1: the experience I saw, were just waste to nerve the

2283
02:18:04,480 --> 02:18:08,520
Speaker 1: Australia strategy. Uh. But um, in any event, that there's

2284
02:18:08,520 --> 02:18:11,800
Speaker 1: a European tradition. Uh. And one of the things, and

2285
02:18:12,040 --> 02:18:13,840
Speaker 1: that has been a lot that has been very popular

2286
02:18:13,879 --> 02:18:16,000
Speaker 1: has made an absolute shitload of money over the last

2287
02:18:16,040 --> 02:18:18,600
Speaker 1: several years, shipload being very relative because again, board games

2288
02:18:18,640 --> 02:18:21,039
Speaker 1: are pretty small field compared to video games or gambling

2289
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:24,280
Speaker 1: or booze or something like that. Um even kind of

2290
02:18:24,320 --> 02:18:26,960
Speaker 1: the dominant name in the game. And Uh. One of

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02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:30,000
Speaker 1: the kind of major conceits of this style game is

2292
02:18:30,240 --> 02:18:34,120
Speaker 1: you don't elimit other players, all players. Any player who

2293
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:35,920
Speaker 1: starts the game at the table is going to end

2294
02:18:35,959 --> 02:18:38,160
Speaker 1: the game at the table. You you never limited anybody,

2295
02:18:38,360 --> 02:18:41,120
Speaker 1: and this is I think an admirable enough goal. Yeah,

2296
02:18:41,280 --> 02:18:43,160
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that's annoying about a lot

2297
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:44,560
Speaker 1: of games is like if you're trying to do a

2298
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:46,959
Speaker 1: party thing and people are getting eliminated. Although it can

2299
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:49,440
Speaker 1: be fun, if everyone is drinking at the same time

2300
02:18:49,560 --> 02:18:52,200
Speaker 1: and while you play the game, people get eliminated and

2301
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:54,480
Speaker 1: then get drunker and heckle everyone else at the table,

2302
02:18:54,520 --> 02:18:56,920
Speaker 1: that's actually not bad. That's actually not bad. I remember

2303
02:18:56,959 --> 02:18:58,640
Speaker 1: it being like middle school in high school, where you

2304
02:18:58,680 --> 02:19:01,120
Speaker 1: just have somebody sitting there bitterly four hours. Well, you

2305
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:04,000
Speaker 1: try to clean up a risk game. Um. Anyway, the

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02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:06,880
Speaker 1: one that most people are probably the one that is

2307
02:19:06,959 --> 02:19:11,000
Speaker 1: the most famous infamous is Sellers of katan Um, and

2308
02:19:11,080 --> 02:19:12,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of what's my start point. Sellers of katan

2309
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:17,959
Speaker 1: Is is a board game where you play as European

2310
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:24,120
Speaker 1: colonizers to a almost uninhabited island and almost uninhabited island,

2311
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:28,520
Speaker 1: and you cannot damage the other players directly. There is

2312
02:19:28,640 --> 02:19:30,720
Speaker 1: no mechanism for doing this. You can block them off

2313
02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:34,039
Speaker 1: from building things, you can never send him. I always

2314
02:19:34,120 --> 02:19:38,280
Speaker 1: go hard on the roads. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can

2315
02:19:38,320 --> 02:19:41,040
Speaker 1: block people with roads. It's a very like it's kind

2316
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:44,760
Speaker 1: of like like about like a rivalry between developers almost.

2317
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:47,480
Speaker 1: But one of the things that that is kind of

2318
02:19:47,520 --> 02:19:50,520
Speaker 1: outstanding about this is that, uh, it's not a technically

2319
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:53,760
Speaker 1: on inhabit island. There is a quote robber that starts

2320
02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:57,039
Speaker 1: out on the island, uh, and the robbert is capable

2321
02:19:57,200 --> 02:20:00,760
Speaker 1: of inflicting violence on the players and it can be

2322
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:04,560
Speaker 1: sort of controlled by the players. And so the part

2323
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:06,440
Speaker 1: that was again striking to me about this is you

2324
02:20:06,600 --> 02:20:09,200
Speaker 1: can't directly, you know, if this would actually be the

2325
02:20:09,240 --> 02:20:11,360
Speaker 1: right number players of me, Chris, Sherne, and Robert were

2326
02:20:11,360 --> 02:20:13,600
Speaker 1: all sitting at a table playing out of Katan. I

2327
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:15,600
Speaker 1: could not eliminate any of them. None of them could

2328
02:20:15,640 --> 02:20:18,480
Speaker 1: eliminate me. We could not harm each other directly. We

2329
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:20,600
Speaker 1: can just negotiate with each other, we can trade with

2330
02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:23,800
Speaker 1: each other, but there is still ultimately a winner. And uh,

2331
02:20:24,280 --> 02:20:27,440
Speaker 1: you know this is if you are willing to make

2332
02:20:27,520 --> 02:20:31,560
Speaker 1: some some kind of specific historical amnesia about how colonials

2333
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm actually operated where you know, like wars of colonial

2334
02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:37,959
Speaker 1: aggression also included like wars in Germany like the Seven

2335
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:41,359
Speaker 1: Years War, or you know, the wars of Spanish succession,

2336
02:20:41,400 --> 02:20:43,520
Speaker 1: we're all happening at the same time, but you can,

2337
02:20:43,879 --> 02:20:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, it can be viewed as similar to that,

2338
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:48,760
Speaker 1: and again it has this explicit theming, and that is

2339
02:20:50,160 --> 02:20:52,520
Speaker 1: I do think that those things, those things are devetailing together,

2340
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:55,680
Speaker 1: right that the only people who are real people are

2341
02:20:55,720 --> 02:21:02,160
Speaker 1: the colonizers. The colonized are non agent Dick, They're just set,

2342
02:21:02,800 --> 02:21:07,560
Speaker 1: they're they're they're setting. Um. And the more you think

2343
02:21:07,560 --> 02:21:09,200
Speaker 1: about it, it's just it's just kind of messed up.

2344
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:13,120
Speaker 1: It's it's just kind of, uh, it's kind of messed up.

2345
02:21:13,160 --> 02:21:15,760
Speaker 1: And I do think it's kind of interesting that the

2346
02:21:15,800 --> 02:21:19,960
Speaker 1: game doesn't really say this very explicitly, right um. And

2347
02:21:20,120 --> 02:21:22,560
Speaker 1: I know, I know there's going to be somebody's going

2348
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:24,200
Speaker 1: to say, oh, you know, the game says rob or

2349
02:21:24,280 --> 02:21:27,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't say Native American. How can you know? It's like,

2350
02:21:27,840 --> 02:21:31,360
Speaker 1: come on, man, if you watched a movie where there

2351
02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:33,760
Speaker 1: was some there was a group of people in the

2352
02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:37,520
Speaker 1: movie who were portrayed as violent and incapable of acting

2353
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:40,560
Speaker 1: on their own, and all of these racist tropes, even

2354
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:43,760
Speaker 1: if they were not played by Native American actor, even

2355
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:47,320
Speaker 1: if they didn't use an explicit Native American references, if

2356
02:21:47,400 --> 02:21:50,160
Speaker 1: all of the good guys are people who dispossessed this person,

2357
02:21:51,360 --> 02:21:53,960
Speaker 1: you know what's going on. People don't look at the

2358
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:57,360
Speaker 1: tempest and they see Caliban and go, this person has

2359
02:21:57,440 --> 02:22:00,800
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the Americans that yeah, yeah, they're

2360
02:22:00,800 --> 02:22:05,160
Speaker 1: making him uncivilized, like it like civility or like civilians

2361
02:22:05,160 --> 02:22:07,440
Speaker 1: in general, they come from somewhere else and they inhabit

2362
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:10,000
Speaker 1: the place. But yeah, you're right, like just like Columbus

2363
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:14,200
Speaker 1: discovered America, the natives are based like it's it's it's

2364
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:17,560
Speaker 1: a blank slate as far as white settlers are concerned,

2365
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:22,280
Speaker 1: and like the positionality of like like the game is

2366
02:22:22,400 --> 02:22:25,080
Speaker 1: very explicit about who is a settler and who is not. Right,

2367
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:28,480
Speaker 1: the settlers are you and everyone else playing the game,

2368
02:22:28,600 --> 02:22:30,600
Speaker 1: and then you have the other person who's on the

2369
02:22:30,680 --> 02:22:33,640
Speaker 1: island who got here before you. And it's like, yeah,

2370
02:22:33,879 --> 02:22:37,840
Speaker 1: I mean the name is pretty blunt, like you are,

2371
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:40,520
Speaker 1: like you know, there's no I don't know. It's it's

2372
02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:42,640
Speaker 1: very it's very hard to evade. And you know, like

2373
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:44,640
Speaker 1: you can see the art from the game, like it's

2374
02:22:44,640 --> 02:22:48,120
Speaker 1: all white people, uh, and it's it's it's kind of

2375
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:49,920
Speaker 1: interesting cause in the first edition printing, they're all kind

2376
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:52,680
Speaker 1: of medieval, but in later editions they're like colonial America.

2377
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:56,400
Speaker 1: Like it's I don't think it's like it requires some

2378
02:22:56,560 --> 02:22:59,280
Speaker 1: very deliberate obtuseness to miss that this is what it's

2379
02:22:59,320 --> 02:23:04,119
Speaker 1: going on. Um and uh so anyway that has um

2380
02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:07,320
Speaker 1: that was that was released like twenty something years ago. Uh.

2381
02:23:07,720 --> 02:23:11,040
Speaker 1: I find it very funny that sellers of Katan managed

2382
02:23:11,080 --> 02:23:13,720
Speaker 1: to win Game of the Year awards in both two

2383
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:20,320
Speaker 1: thousand and five. Like it hasn't changed, mud, I don't know. Yeah,

2384
02:23:20,480 --> 02:23:25,320
Speaker 1: those those are different years, like what's going on? Definitely, Yeah,

2385
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:27,920
Speaker 1: they did add boats. They did add boats. That's true.

2386
02:23:27,959 --> 02:23:30,080
Speaker 1: You're not You're not wrong about you don't you don't

2387
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:33,760
Speaker 1: you don't have boats? Come on, that's true. Actually, it's funny.

2388
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:35,840
Speaker 1: My neighbors have a boat. I do not have a

2389
02:23:35,879 --> 02:23:39,440
Speaker 1: boat because I'm a regular person who doesn't have lived

2390
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:44,200
Speaker 1: next to a lake. M hm oh yeah, yeah, I

2391
02:23:44,280 --> 02:23:49,240
Speaker 1: also do not have a boat. So yeah, I briefly

2392
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:51,359
Speaker 1: had a commute to work that I could have kayaked,

2393
02:23:51,480 --> 02:23:54,560
Speaker 1: but I don't know to kayak. That's New York baby.

2394
02:23:55,000 --> 02:23:58,560
Speaker 1: I developed a desire to have a boat last year

2395
02:23:58,720 --> 02:24:02,360
Speaker 1: because I yeah, I was in Spain and I met

2396
02:24:02,400 --> 02:24:04,600
Speaker 1: a Spanish guy with a boat, and that does seem

2397
02:24:04,680 --> 02:24:07,680
Speaker 1: like the life. But that's not you're you're, you're, you're

2398
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:11,680
Speaker 1: horrible descend into turning into some sort of Hemmingway adjacent character. Yeah,

2399
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:13,960
Speaker 1: just just I mean it is it is nice to

2400
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:17,120
Speaker 1: be drunk on about. It's also very expensive to have

2401
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:19,800
Speaker 1: a boat, so maybe I'll get drunk on an inflatable

2402
02:24:19,879 --> 02:24:22,720
Speaker 1: raft instead. Yeah, I just get a sunfish and just

2403
02:24:22,760 --> 02:24:27,360
Speaker 1: flip it over every thirty seconds. Um, the working man's boat. Yeah,

2404
02:24:27,360 --> 02:24:30,200
Speaker 1: the working man's boat. Um. But yeah, and uh so

2405
02:24:30,440 --> 02:24:32,920
Speaker 1: so from there, I kind of what has happened is

2406
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:36,600
Speaker 1: unsurprisingly that you know, board games are actually kind of

2407
02:24:36,840 --> 02:24:39,720
Speaker 1: a summat demographic art form compared to video games, because

2408
02:24:39,720 --> 02:24:43,040
Speaker 1: all you really needed some paper, Like really, that's all

2409
02:24:43,040 --> 02:24:44,960
Speaker 1: you need. You need some paper. Uh, And you can

2410
02:24:45,000 --> 02:24:47,560
Speaker 1: make a board game, uh if you have tabletop simulator.

2411
02:24:47,560 --> 02:24:50,920
Speaker 1: You just need tabletop simulator. You're already done, like uh,

2412
02:24:51,400 --> 02:24:53,120
Speaker 1: and then you just need to be able to bully

2413
02:24:53,200 --> 02:24:55,240
Speaker 1: people into play testing your game. And that's really the

2414
02:24:55,280 --> 02:24:58,480
Speaker 1: hard part. Uh. But you know, so list means that

2415
02:24:58,560 --> 02:25:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, people will iterate on thing pretty quickly. You know,

2416
02:25:00,760 --> 02:25:04,880
Speaker 1: it's very like fan fiction environment people will will iterate

2417
02:25:05,280 --> 02:25:08,080
Speaker 1: rather quickly on your ideas and develop them further. Um.

2418
02:25:08,360 --> 02:25:10,760
Speaker 1: And so I looked through some of the other games

2419
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:13,080
Speaker 1: that I've played and liked, and uh, you know, I

2420
02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:16,000
Speaker 1: actually tend to like pretty much all the games that

2421
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:20,760
Speaker 1: I studied. Uh, Splendor is the one that is very fun,

2422
02:25:20,920 --> 02:25:23,600
Speaker 1: very casual, very easy, and it just says this art

2423
02:25:23,879 --> 02:25:26,800
Speaker 1: that bugs me, this art that really bugs me, where

2424
02:25:27,520 --> 02:25:29,840
Speaker 1: it's about being a gem trader, and it's very much

2425
02:25:29,879 --> 02:25:32,640
Speaker 1: seems to be based on Renaissance Italy or like Renaissance

2426
02:25:32,680 --> 02:25:38,520
Speaker 1: on TWERP. You know this and m for some reason,

2427
02:25:38,800 --> 02:25:43,680
Speaker 1: like you don't see people in minds. It's very weird.

2428
02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:46,560
Speaker 1: All of the there will be pictures of minds. It's like, okay,

2429
02:25:46,600 --> 02:25:49,680
Speaker 1: you bought this emerald mind and there's like nobody there,

2430
02:25:50,440 --> 02:25:52,560
Speaker 1: which is very weird because I have seen pictures of

2431
02:25:52,640 --> 02:25:55,320
Speaker 1: pre industrial I've seen pictures of minds from the nineteen eighties,

2432
02:25:55,400 --> 02:25:58,240
Speaker 1: which is firmly industrial where there are thousands of people

2433
02:25:58,760 --> 02:26:01,400
Speaker 1: you can barely see the ground, you know, thousands of

2434
02:26:01,440 --> 02:26:05,840
Speaker 1: people everywhere. You know, mining is very labor intensive. Um.

2435
02:26:06,200 --> 02:26:09,360
Speaker 1: You only start seeing mining become kind of like capital intensive,

2436
02:26:09,400 --> 02:26:11,360
Speaker 1: like very recently, and even then only really in the

2437
02:26:11,440 --> 02:26:14,120
Speaker 1: United States and a couple of other countries. Germany obviously

2438
02:26:14,200 --> 02:26:17,400
Speaker 1: uses very capital intensive mining. Everywhere else it's very very

2439
02:26:17,480 --> 02:26:20,840
Speaker 1: labor intensive, but splendor. They won't show you the people

2440
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:23,320
Speaker 1: doing the mining, but they will show you the people

2441
02:26:23,400 --> 02:26:27,480
Speaker 1: short uh sorting the gems, which is they're skipping the

2442
02:26:28,320 --> 02:26:34,360
Speaker 1: slavery part exactly, exactly the part there skipping. Yeah, even today,

2443
02:26:34,440 --> 02:26:36,879
Speaker 1: like you ignore what your how your cell phone is made, right,

2444
02:26:36,959 --> 02:26:40,440
Speaker 1: You're just like you're glossing over the unflattering parts and

2445
02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:44,119
Speaker 1: going straight to making a gym. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're

2446
02:26:44,200 --> 02:26:45,960
Speaker 1: you're going straight to you know, I've I've you know,

2447
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:48,120
Speaker 1: I've got my my pretty purple cell phone, you know.

2448
02:26:48,240 --> 02:26:55,640
Speaker 1: And the the part where you know there was yeah,

2449
02:26:55,720 --> 02:26:57,840
Speaker 1: pretty much of war in the Congo fought over it

2450
02:26:57,920 --> 02:27:00,360
Speaker 1: and then they had to install suicide nets in China

2451
02:27:01,240 --> 02:27:03,720
Speaker 1: gets completely glossed over and that all that stuff goes

2452
02:27:03,760 --> 02:27:07,240
Speaker 1: into this phone. But uh, you know, to me, it's

2453
02:27:07,280 --> 02:27:09,720
Speaker 1: just kind of a necessary hunk of plastic and metal

2454
02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:14,360
Speaker 1: for surviving in America. Um, and I you know, I'm

2455
02:27:14,400 --> 02:27:17,880
Speaker 1: not entirely I don't want to be too hard on

2456
02:27:17,959 --> 02:27:20,360
Speaker 1: the designers here. It's very like there's a part of

2457
02:27:20,400 --> 02:27:21,320
Speaker 1: me that wants to me and there's a part of

2458
02:27:21,400 --> 02:27:22,640
Speaker 1: me that wants to be kind of forgiving and being

2459
02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:24,360
Speaker 1: like do you really want to be playing this like

2460
02:27:24,480 --> 02:27:29,160
Speaker 1: fun casual game and like be confronted with slavery? Uh

2461
02:27:29,560 --> 02:27:34,640
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like yeah, you you really

2462
02:27:34,680 --> 02:27:36,440
Speaker 1: try to have it both ways here, Like this is

2463
02:27:36,840 --> 02:27:39,680
Speaker 1: like I don't make the game about something actually fun,

2464
02:27:40,040 --> 02:27:44,000
Speaker 1: not yeah, not something that well. I mean there are

2465
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:45,120
Speaker 1: there and there are people who do that. You know,

2466
02:27:45,160 --> 02:27:47,119
Speaker 1: It's like not that hard to find people like making

2467
02:27:47,240 --> 02:27:52,120
Speaker 1: games about like theme parks or like haunted houses or

2468
02:27:52,840 --> 02:27:56,320
Speaker 1: utopian or like like weird like utopian arcologies and stuff

2469
02:27:56,360 --> 02:27:59,440
Speaker 1: like that. Like people make these things. But like so this,

2470
02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:03,560
Speaker 1: this colonialism keeps on like coming back, and part of that,

2471
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, part of that is I guess, like all

2472
02:28:05,400 --> 02:28:08,360
Speaker 1: sci fi is kind of colonialist. But wait, before we go,

2473
02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:12,280
Speaker 1: do you know what else keeps coming back? You know what?

2474
02:28:12,480 --> 02:28:17,200
Speaker 1: Tell me what? Sure? You? Capitalism? It's time for an

2475
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:23,519
Speaker 1: ad break and there's still more capitalism, but that capitalism,

2476
02:28:24,280 --> 02:28:27,800
Speaker 1: that's true, that's different capitalism. Yeah, right now we're we're

2477
02:28:27,800 --> 02:28:31,280
Speaker 1: in like more early capitalism. And uh so the the

2478
02:28:32,200 --> 02:28:34,400
Speaker 1: game that like really stuck in like for all the

2479
02:28:34,480 --> 02:28:37,440
Speaker 1: weirdest and uh, I might end up reading a quote

2480
02:28:37,440 --> 02:28:40,520
Speaker 1: out from here. I'm sorry for being an incredibly irritating

2481
02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:43,600
Speaker 1: person and doing that. As a game called Mombassa, um

2482
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:48,600
Speaker 1: and uh, Mombassa is so aggressive about how colonialist it is.

2483
02:28:48,680 --> 02:28:52,240
Speaker 1: It is so so aggressive. The premise of the game

2484
02:28:52,480 --> 02:28:57,440
Speaker 1: is that you are adventurers in the Scramble for Africa

2485
02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:00,600
Speaker 1: and the goal is to be the player who retires

2486
02:29:00,720 --> 02:29:07,440
Speaker 1: the richest um. And the ways in which the mechanics

2487
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:10,880
Speaker 1: of this game are messed up, uh, the part of

2488
02:29:10,920 --> 02:29:13,080
Speaker 1: the mechanics that I will say is genuinely clever. And

2489
02:29:13,320 --> 02:29:15,680
Speaker 1: if they hadn't made it about the Scramble for Africa,

2490
02:29:15,720 --> 02:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I would have like no, I would just be like, yeah, cool.

2491
02:29:18,400 --> 02:29:20,400
Speaker 1: So I still have to admit that this is This

2492
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:22,800
Speaker 1: is cool. Is that you start out working for a

2493
02:29:22,840 --> 02:29:25,640
Speaker 1: different joint stock company, but anybody can buy shares in

2494
02:29:25,720 --> 02:29:30,120
Speaker 1: anybody else's joint stock company. So the best strategy is

2495
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:32,680
Speaker 1: to buy somebody else's company and then they make the

2496
02:29:32,720 --> 02:29:35,840
Speaker 1: company valuable and you contribute as little as possible. Free

2497
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:38,120
Speaker 1: rider problem. You know the classic of game theory that

2498
02:29:38,520 --> 02:29:42,400
Speaker 1: the liberal economists fucking love talking about Uh, great thing

2499
02:29:42,440 --> 02:29:44,480
Speaker 1: to do with the game. But the way you make

2500
02:29:44,520 --> 02:29:49,040
Speaker 1: your company valuable is like it's it's pillaging Africa. Like

2501
02:29:49,480 --> 02:29:52,560
Speaker 1: it's pillaging Africa, and it's it's very very weird. Like

2502
02:29:52,720 --> 02:29:55,640
Speaker 1: there's do you have this map of Africa in front

2503
02:29:55,680 --> 02:29:58,800
Speaker 1: of you, and the map of Africa has valuable things

2504
02:29:58,840 --> 02:30:00,920
Speaker 1: in it has you know, dime that you can pick up.

2505
02:30:01,720 --> 02:30:04,960
Speaker 1: It has Like there are books, which is unclear if

2506
02:30:05,000 --> 02:30:07,480
Speaker 1: that represents, like you write an adventure novel like King

2507
02:30:07,560 --> 02:30:11,400
Speaker 1: Solomon's Minds, or you write a naturalist guide, or you

2508
02:30:11,520 --> 02:30:13,520
Speaker 1: write an ethnography, but you're writing some sort of book

2509
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:19,040
Speaker 1: is based on how you despoiled the African continent. Uh.

2510
02:30:20,080 --> 02:30:22,920
Speaker 1: And what what always struck me as so weird is

2511
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:27,720
Speaker 1: that the territory is just when you enter the territory,

2512
02:30:27,760 --> 02:30:30,000
Speaker 1: you just take everything. You just you just pillage it.

2513
02:30:30,520 --> 02:30:32,200
Speaker 1: It's not like territory that you hold and really make

2514
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:35,000
Speaker 1: more productive. You don't develop it. There's at least it's

2515
02:30:35,040 --> 02:30:37,120
Speaker 1: honest about that to a certain extent. At least it's

2516
02:30:37,160 --> 02:30:40,120
Speaker 1: honest that like the Europeans were lying about any of

2517
02:30:40,200 --> 02:30:42,480
Speaker 1: that development civilizing mission ship, like that they were there

2518
02:30:42,520 --> 02:30:47,360
Speaker 1: to steal um and but what is so so weird

2519
02:30:47,400 --> 02:30:50,040
Speaker 1: to me about it is that like there's there's no resistance,

2520
02:30:51,640 --> 02:30:55,879
Speaker 1: there's no risk to expanding across the continent, there's no negotiation.

2521
02:30:56,400 --> 02:31:00,879
Speaker 1: The only other characters at all are the other players,

2522
02:31:01,080 --> 02:31:05,440
Speaker 1: other Europeans. Uh. You know this continent that at the

2523
02:31:05,480 --> 02:31:08,760
Speaker 1: time had hundreds of millions of people, uh, many of

2524
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:12,360
Speaker 1: whom had legitimate kingdoms, that in some parts of Africa

2525
02:31:12,400 --> 02:31:17,560
Speaker 1: where you know, had full gunpowder militaries just totally glossed over,

2526
02:31:18,160 --> 02:31:22,240
Speaker 1: just totally not not mechanically represented at all. Um Well,

2527
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:26,400
Speaker 1: it's like they're only they're portraying the only future that

2528
02:31:26,480 --> 02:31:28,800
Speaker 1: that is possible. Like you know what I mean, this

2529
02:31:28,920 --> 02:31:32,480
Speaker 1: is how you become a civilization. There's no other that

2530
02:31:32,600 --> 02:31:38,840
Speaker 1: there's one path. Um well, I mean it is. There

2531
02:31:38,959 --> 02:31:41,520
Speaker 1: is one path to being a civilization, and it does

2532
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:44,720
Speaker 1: involve a lot of taking other people ship. To be fair, No,

2533
02:31:44,879 --> 02:31:48,800
Speaker 1: I said that ironically, Robert, I know, I said in

2534
02:31:48,920 --> 02:31:53,040
Speaker 1: their mind there is one path. Yes, But I do

2535
02:31:53,160 --> 02:31:54,560
Speaker 1: feel like I've got to read this out from the

2536
02:31:54,640 --> 02:31:56,400
Speaker 1: rule book because it was like so hypopic to me.

2537
02:31:56,480 --> 02:31:58,120
Speaker 1: This is this is from the rule book. This is

2538
02:31:58,200 --> 02:32:02,000
Speaker 1: the start of the rule book the opening quote. In Mombassa,

2539
02:32:02,320 --> 02:32:05,360
Speaker 1: players acquire shares of chartered companies based in Mombassa, Cape

2540
02:32:05,400 --> 02:32:07,600
Speaker 1: Town St. Louis and Cairo and spread their tailing paths

2541
02:32:07,720 --> 02:32:09,840
Speaker 1: throughout the African content in order to earn the most money.

2542
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:14,160
Speaker 1: Chartered companies were associations formed for the purpose of exploration, trade,

2543
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:17,640
Speaker 1: and colonization, which links them inextricably to a very dark

2544
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:21,840
Speaker 1: shapter in human history, global colonialism. This period rough lasted

2545
02:32:21,920 --> 02:32:23,400
Speaker 1: roughly from the fifteenth century to the middle of the

2546
02:32:23,400 --> 02:32:27,000
Speaker 1: twentieth century and is associated with exploitation and slavery. Although

2547
02:32:27,080 --> 02:32:29,680
Speaker 1: Mombasa is loosely set within this timeframe, it is not

2548
02:32:29,800 --> 02:32:32,600
Speaker 1: a historical simulation. Is a strategy game with an economic

2549
02:32:32,680 --> 02:32:36,440
Speaker 1: focus that roughly refers to historical categories and places them

2550
02:32:36,440 --> 02:32:39,720
Speaker 1: in a fictional setting. The exploitation of the African continent

2551
02:32:39,840 --> 02:32:43,360
Speaker 1: and its people is not explicitly depicted within the gameplay.

2552
02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:46,120
Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about the underlying history,

2553
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:48,400
Speaker 1: we recommend the following read History of Modern Africa Each

2554
02:32:48,520 --> 02:32:51,720
Speaker 1: hundred de pressent by Richard J. Reid uh End quote.

2555
02:32:51,959 --> 02:32:54,120
Speaker 1: So they fucking new, but like they fucking knew that

2556
02:32:54,240 --> 02:32:57,119
Speaker 1: this was some evil evil ship that they have made

2557
02:32:57,160 --> 02:32:59,400
Speaker 1: into a game, and they want you to know that

2558
02:32:59,480 --> 02:33:01,840
Speaker 1: they knew that you that you were going to call it.

2559
02:33:02,840 --> 02:33:05,520
Speaker 1: It's like making like a candy Land version set in

2560
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:07,880
Speaker 1: the Congo where you have to call up hands or

2561
02:33:07,959 --> 02:33:14,320
Speaker 1: rubber and being like, yeah, you can read a book

2562
02:33:14,360 --> 02:33:18,520
Speaker 1: about this if you want. Yeah, this is like it's

2563
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:22,480
Speaker 1: such a cop out. It's like it's so bizarre, Like

2564
02:33:23,320 --> 02:33:25,680
Speaker 1: it's so bizarry not how many people even read this stuff,

2565
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:28,360
Speaker 1: like like generously. One person I've ever before reads the

2566
02:33:28,440 --> 02:33:30,200
Speaker 1: rule book when you're wearing a board game, like like

2567
02:33:30,360 --> 02:33:34,560
Speaker 1: very generously. Like I'm just a huge nerd who likes

2568
02:33:34,600 --> 02:33:36,240
Speaker 1: reading this stuff, and I would just like read this

2569
02:33:36,320 --> 02:33:41,840
Speaker 1: in my jaw, was just like, holy shit, I think

2570
02:33:41,879 --> 02:33:44,800
Speaker 1: you could try. It might even be wisdom and trying

2571
02:33:44,879 --> 02:33:47,080
Speaker 1: to like make a board game about the Scramble for

2572
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:51,320
Speaker 1: Africa that's like framed in like a kid friendly way,

2573
02:33:51,560 --> 02:33:55,520
Speaker 1: but is also like very blatantly horrific. It's just like

2574
02:33:56,200 --> 02:33:57,800
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that if you think about it

2575
02:33:57,879 --> 02:34:00,960
Speaker 1: ten seconds, I was like, Oh, we're just like subjugating

2576
02:34:01,000 --> 02:34:04,200
Speaker 1: and massacreing people. But it's also like the the art

2577
02:34:04,280 --> 02:34:06,200
Speaker 1: style is like themed off of Candy land or some

2578
02:34:06,320 --> 02:34:10,040
Speaker 1: sort of ship like maybe, but even then you're probably

2579
02:34:10,120 --> 02:34:12,840
Speaker 1: more likely to just get people enjoying it on ironically

2580
02:34:12,920 --> 02:34:15,440
Speaker 1: than you are to actually convince anybody to read about

2581
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:18,560
Speaker 1: the Scramble for Africa. Well yeah, yeah, I mean, and

2582
02:34:18,959 --> 02:34:21,040
Speaker 1: well it's actually kind of interesting because there's there's like

2583
02:34:21,160 --> 02:34:24,120
Speaker 1: a good tradition of like making like kid friendly appearing

2584
02:34:24,320 --> 02:34:26,720
Speaker 1: things that are actually quite horrifying if you think about

2585
02:34:26,760 --> 02:34:30,480
Speaker 1: them more than two seconds. And yeah, well Monopoly for example.

2586
02:34:30,520 --> 02:34:31,680
Speaker 1: And I mean I was going to take a slight

2587
02:34:31,720 --> 02:34:34,640
Speaker 1: turn away from board games. I grew up with red

2588
02:34:34,840 --> 02:34:38,920
Speaker 1: the Red Wall books. Yes, yeah, the Red Wall books.

2589
02:34:39,080 --> 02:34:43,400
Speaker 1: Like even though like stoats are not a race of

2590
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:46,840
Speaker 1: people in real life, they are a type of weasel. Uh,

2591
02:34:47,160 --> 02:34:50,880
Speaker 1: holy ship, those books managed to be incredibly racist. It

2592
02:34:50,959 --> 02:34:54,480
Speaker 1: really is racist against like different types of weasel. But uh,

2593
02:34:54,840 --> 02:34:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, they portrayed this this very cute, cie world

2594
02:34:57,560 --> 02:35:00,880
Speaker 1: of you know, animals, you know, malise and badgers and stuff,

2595
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:04,400
Speaker 1: and they're just committing genocide left and right. It's just

2596
02:35:04,440 --> 02:35:07,640
Speaker 1: portrayed is like totally okay, it's just like someone who

2597
02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:11,440
Speaker 1: has no idea what you're talking about. This is crazy. Yeah,

2598
02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:14,680
Speaker 1: he's popular children's series and like the eighties and nineties,

2599
02:35:14,879 --> 02:35:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, I read this books. It was like, yeah,

2600
02:35:16,879 --> 02:35:19,360
Speaker 1: it's like you flipped back and forth between like, yeah,

2601
02:35:19,440 --> 02:35:21,720
Speaker 1: here is Martin the mouse, and he's the hero, and

2602
02:35:21,760 --> 02:35:23,720
Speaker 1: also he's eating all of this really nice food and

2603
02:35:23,800 --> 02:35:30,440
Speaker 1: then also we must exterminate like entire species. It's buck wild.

2604
02:35:31,040 --> 02:35:33,920
Speaker 1: It is insane. Uh. The Red Wall Feast Spot, by

2605
02:35:33,959 --> 02:35:36,840
Speaker 1: the way, it's like a really good Twitter follow. We're

2606
02:35:36,920 --> 02:35:40,760
Speaker 1: just post excerpts from the food descriptions. Those are incredible. Um.

2607
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:42,879
Speaker 1: But the reason why I kind of made that turn

2608
02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:44,960
Speaker 1: is that one of the games I considered that I

2609
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:47,760
Speaker 1: actually really liked is uh something of a post something

2610
02:35:47,800 --> 02:35:50,400
Speaker 1: of an anti colonial game called Root. Uh. And this

2611
02:35:50,520 --> 02:35:52,360
Speaker 1: is part of the part of what I was kind

2612
02:35:52,400 --> 02:35:54,520
Speaker 1: of witnessing over as I was studying these is that

2613
02:35:54,879 --> 02:35:57,560
Speaker 1: there is a bit of a discourse, a bit of

2614
02:35:57,640 --> 02:36:01,360
Speaker 1: a development over time. Uh. And Uh. Two of the

2615
02:36:01,400 --> 02:36:04,640
Speaker 1: games that I highlighted, Root and Spirit Island are kind

2616
02:36:04,680 --> 02:36:07,640
Speaker 1: of are are fairly anti colonial. And Root is a

2617
02:36:07,720 --> 02:36:11,439
Speaker 1: kind of horrifying game but with very cute see appearances.

2618
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:14,200
Speaker 1: You know, you play as like mice and cats and

2619
02:36:15,000 --> 02:36:21,720
Speaker 1: and birds. Uh. And the birds are like like horrifying aristocrats. Uh,

2620
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:27,240
Speaker 1: like like you're like a feudal military dictatorship. The cats

2621
02:36:27,320 --> 02:36:29,120
Speaker 1: are like trying to turn the entire force into like

2622
02:36:29,160 --> 02:36:32,760
Speaker 1: a giant woodcutting factory and like subjugate everybody else under

2623
02:36:32,760 --> 02:36:35,920
Speaker 1: the boot heel of like industrial capitalism. And you can

2624
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:41,480
Speaker 1: play as just like the concept of revolution, I guess,

2625
02:36:41,520 --> 02:36:46,119
Speaker 1: like like there's a woodlanda lions who win the game

2626
02:36:46,200 --> 02:36:50,480
Speaker 1: by like provoking revolts of the civilian population to overthrow

2627
02:36:50,560 --> 02:36:53,800
Speaker 1: the other two. Uh. It's it's very weird. It's a

2628
02:36:53,920 --> 02:36:56,760
Speaker 1: very very violent game by by comparison, it's very hard

2629
02:36:56,800 --> 02:36:58,280
Speaker 1: to lend a player in it. But it was kind

2630
02:36:58,320 --> 02:37:01,280
Speaker 1: of interesting to me to see that like you can do.

2631
02:37:01,480 --> 02:37:03,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of almost see the exact opposite where it's

2632
02:37:04,080 --> 02:37:08,560
Speaker 1: like a lot of like it doesn't have. It has

2633
02:37:08,600 --> 02:37:13,680
Speaker 1: this very obviously horrifying and graphically violent mechanics, uh you know,

2634
02:37:13,879 --> 02:37:20,360
Speaker 1: revolutions and subjugation, but with like the characters look cute,

2635
02:37:21,000 --> 02:37:23,879
Speaker 1: like all the all the character art is very cute. Um,

2636
02:37:24,320 --> 02:37:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, you've got like a little mice like making

2637
02:37:27,440 --> 02:37:32,480
Speaker 1: pungi traps and stuff in the It's very odd. Yeah,

2638
02:37:32,480 --> 02:37:35,959
Speaker 1: I kinda, I kinda jumped a little bit ahead here,

2639
02:37:36,280 --> 02:37:37,760
Speaker 1: but I don't know that we need to go through

2640
02:37:37,879 --> 02:37:39,800
Speaker 1: the everything I did in this in this paper that's

2641
02:37:39,800 --> 02:37:41,360
Speaker 1: a little bit boring, and also we need to leave

2642
02:37:41,400 --> 02:37:44,680
Speaker 1: thanks for the readers. And actually Root is UH a

2643
02:37:44,760 --> 02:37:47,120
Speaker 1: little bit based on a game series that I think

2644
02:37:47,440 --> 02:37:51,360
Speaker 1: would be particularly appealing to UH, to Robert Uh and

2645
02:37:51,640 --> 02:37:56,600
Speaker 1: possibly the listeners. There's a company called GMT Games. Anybody

2646
02:37:56,600 --> 02:38:00,240
Speaker 1: else heard of them? These guys are interesting. Could to you?

2647
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:07,480
Speaker 1: Gim T Games make games like Kuba Libre, a four

2648
02:38:07,560 --> 02:38:13,320
Speaker 1: player asymmetric warfare about the Cuban revolution UM, and a

2649
02:38:13,400 --> 02:38:17,360
Speaker 1: couple of ways, yes, yes, multiple. I one once as

2650
02:38:17,400 --> 02:38:22,560
Speaker 1: the Mafia, which was an interesting side to play in UM,

2651
02:38:23,320 --> 02:38:26,320
Speaker 1: an interesting and interesting series of interest to have. You know,

2652
02:38:26,360 --> 02:38:28,800
Speaker 1: I could not build an army for ship. I just

2653
02:38:28,879 --> 02:38:30,440
Speaker 1: had to count in the fact that other people didn't

2654
02:38:30,440 --> 02:38:32,680
Speaker 1: think it was worth destroying casinos because they're too busy

2655
02:38:32,720 --> 02:38:37,439
Speaker 1: trying to stamp out revolutionaries UM and or their revolutionaries

2656
02:38:37,440 --> 02:38:42,320
Speaker 1: trying to stamp out fascists. And it was a they're

2657
02:38:42,400 --> 02:38:44,240
Speaker 1: a very The reason why I think they're very weird

2658
02:38:44,520 --> 02:38:46,039
Speaker 1: company is that, you know, I think they're they all

2659
02:38:46,080 --> 02:38:49,160
Speaker 1: games like Cuba libre Twilight Struggle A Distant Plane, which

2660
02:38:49,160 --> 02:38:51,880
Speaker 1: is about the war in Afghanistan. But they also are

2661
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:57,640
Speaker 1: like these guys are like Quantico psychos. Uh. They actually

2662
02:38:57,840 --> 02:39:00,960
Speaker 1: they are the guys who make the actual four war

2663
02:39:01,080 --> 02:39:04,920
Speaker 1: games that the Pentagon. Yeah yeah, Quantico, if you're not

2664
02:39:05,120 --> 02:39:08,279
Speaker 1: up on things, is like the part of the Virginia

2665
02:39:08,400 --> 02:39:11,600
Speaker 1: area kind of a suburb of d C where all

2666
02:39:11,720 --> 02:39:14,880
Speaker 1: of the all of like the Fed FEDS live. Like

2667
02:39:14,959 --> 02:39:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like border patrol FEDS or ship.

2668
02:39:18,760 --> 02:39:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking like, uh fucking CIA, motherfucker's Capital f Feds. Yeah.

2669
02:39:24,680 --> 02:39:27,760
Speaker 1: Isn't the CIA is like training facility there, Yes, they have,

2670
02:39:29,360 --> 02:39:32,080
Speaker 1: and I think the FBI also has a facility in quantity,

2671
02:39:33,240 --> 02:39:38,280
Speaker 1: the Capital f FEDS agents are there. Yeah. Yeah. Don

2672
02:39:38,400 --> 02:39:41,760
Speaker 1: don't think of like like your ocean inspectors here. Yeah,

2673
02:39:42,879 --> 02:39:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean look well and also just like we're not

2674
02:39:45,280 --> 02:39:47,640
Speaker 1: primarily talking about like the door kickers, We're talking about

2675
02:39:47,640 --> 02:39:50,840
Speaker 1: the people who are like the doing the really scary ship.

2676
02:39:51,080 --> 02:39:53,840
Speaker 1: You know. I will say, though, if if we gave

2677
02:39:53,920 --> 02:39:56,560
Speaker 1: Osha like CIA powers, the world would be in an

2678
02:39:56,600 --> 02:39:59,080
Speaker 1: obviously better place. I think we hand them the nukes.

2679
02:39:59,680 --> 02:40:01,560
Speaker 1: I think we hand them the nukes and a mandate

2680
02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:06,200
Speaker 1: to use them if security procedures aren't followed. Not cleaning

2681
02:40:06,240 --> 02:40:09,280
Speaker 1: your counter after using chicken, that's the end of Detroit.

2682
02:40:09,640 --> 02:40:13,840
Speaker 1: You know, there goes San Francisco. Uh, you didn't clean

2683
02:40:14,080 --> 02:40:17,400
Speaker 1: your food cart well enough, you know, pretty soon, collective

2684
02:40:17,400 --> 02:40:21,039
Speaker 1: of punishment, but just for workplace violations. Yeah, collective punishment

2685
02:40:21,120 --> 02:40:25,039
Speaker 1: for like basic sanitation violations. I mean, in a way,

2686
02:40:25,480 --> 02:40:28,640
Speaker 1: not following sanitation does lead to collective punishment, whether or

2687
02:40:28,680 --> 02:40:30,240
Speaker 1: not you have a federal enforcement for it or not.

2688
02:40:30,600 --> 02:40:35,160
Speaker 1: That's right, he's the deployment of our nation's nuclear assets. Uh.

2689
02:40:35,520 --> 02:40:39,600
Speaker 1: Do you know what else is collective punishment? Capitalism? Yes,

2690
02:40:41,040 --> 02:40:45,279
Speaker 1: listening to ads? Yeah, so let's all endure it together.

2691
02:40:46,440 --> 02:40:52,160
Speaker 1: We've been collectively punished, solidarities, all all, all of us

2692
02:40:52,200 --> 02:40:59,240
Speaker 1: who must endure advertising? Yes, Um, yes, I have been,

2693
02:40:59,520 --> 02:41:03,720
Speaker 1: I've been, I'm long a lot and um yeah, Like

2694
02:41:03,800 --> 02:41:06,120
Speaker 1: I said, I find this, this question of who gets

2695
02:41:06,160 --> 02:41:09,440
Speaker 1: to be an agent to be very important. Who who

2696
02:41:09,480 --> 02:41:12,160
Speaker 1: gets to be a player? Who is even given the

2697
02:41:12,280 --> 02:41:15,320
Speaker 1: choice of winning? You know if if you're not a player,

2698
02:41:15,400 --> 02:41:18,720
Speaker 1: you're completely written off from the possibility of ever winning. Um.

2699
02:41:19,280 --> 02:41:21,680
Speaker 1: And you know this is something that like in in

2700
02:41:21,800 --> 02:41:23,840
Speaker 1: video games. We've seen recurring debates around this, you know,

2701
02:41:23,920 --> 02:41:25,840
Speaker 1: like civilization is an infamous one for this. You know,

2702
02:41:25,879 --> 02:41:28,760
Speaker 1: who even gets to be a civilization? Um? Why are

2703
02:41:28,840 --> 02:41:34,600
Speaker 1: some civilizations civilizations and some city states and some barbarians? Um?

2704
02:41:35,320 --> 02:41:41,280
Speaker 1: And you know it does, uh, you know, it does

2705
02:41:41,360 --> 02:41:44,360
Speaker 1: shape your thinking, you know. And there's there's games are

2706
02:41:44,520 --> 02:41:48,080
Speaker 1: very valuable for how they create empathy. You know, a

2707
02:41:48,200 --> 02:41:52,040
Speaker 1: game that can really immerse you can really teach you

2708
02:41:52,080 --> 02:41:55,199
Speaker 1: a lot of very creative and powerful empathy for groups

2709
02:41:55,240 --> 02:41:57,000
Speaker 1: of people that you might never have the chance to

2710
02:41:57,040 --> 02:41:59,960
Speaker 1: interact with. Ah. And then when you keep on create

2711
02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:02,240
Speaker 1: in games that ask you to empathize with the colonizers.

2712
02:42:02,879 --> 02:42:06,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, you think it's just the normal way

2713
02:42:06,560 --> 02:42:08,960
Speaker 1: of things. This is what this is what happens. This

2714
02:42:09,040 --> 02:42:12,720
Speaker 1: is the succession of events that leads to humans. Yeah,

2715
02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:14,800
Speaker 1: this session of events the leads the humans. Those who

2716
02:42:14,840 --> 02:42:20,560
Speaker 1: do not participate simply die out. Uh. This iswashing? Yeah, yeah,

2717
02:42:20,680 --> 02:42:22,200
Speaker 1: yeah it is, it is. And I mean it's it's

2718
02:42:22,440 --> 02:42:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, you can the same could be said of

2719
02:42:24,320 --> 02:42:27,560
Speaker 1: all culture. But you know, I think it's worth being

2720
02:42:27,879 --> 02:42:32,240
Speaker 1: um informed in critical consumers. UM. And I mean I

2721
02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:35,480
Speaker 1: actually do you know. I actually you know, I know

2722
02:42:35,560 --> 02:42:37,080
Speaker 1: that you want this to be an uplifting episode. And

2723
02:42:37,080 --> 02:42:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to be optimistic here, I I you know,

2724
02:42:40,440 --> 02:42:42,520
Speaker 1: it's not just that we're talking about software. The stakes

2725
02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:44,520
Speaker 1: are not literal deaths. The stakes are you know, getting

2726
02:42:44,520 --> 02:42:48,760
Speaker 1: mad at your friends over aboard game. But also I

2727
02:42:48,840 --> 02:42:52,640
Speaker 1: do think that, uh, we have seen positive development of

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02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:55,280
Speaker 1: people taking of people looking at these games. You know,

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02:42:55,640 --> 02:42:58,760
Speaker 1: there's a game developer who said about some of the games,

2730
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:01,520
Speaker 1: who was playing, what what do the locals think about

2731
02:43:01,560 --> 02:43:05,720
Speaker 1: these colonizers? Like, it's pretty rude that nobody's asking them,

2732
02:43:06,320 --> 02:43:08,920
Speaker 1: and tried to design starting from there. And I have

2733
02:43:09,080 --> 02:43:12,520
Speaker 1: some criticisms of how he executed that, how well he

2734
02:43:12,560 --> 02:43:16,760
Speaker 1: executed on that visions. But the fact of matter is

2735
02:43:16,840 --> 02:43:21,240
Speaker 1: is that even just through the sheer iteration of somebody

2736
02:43:21,320 --> 02:43:23,160
Speaker 1: looking at a game like Settlers of Katan and going, well,

2737
02:43:23,200 --> 02:43:26,920
Speaker 1: how can I do this difference? You know, I can't

2738
02:43:26,959 --> 02:43:29,520
Speaker 1: just release the same game every single year. I I

2739
02:43:29,680 --> 02:43:31,720
Speaker 1: need to do something new, and even just a simple

2740
02:43:31,760 --> 02:43:35,160
Speaker 1: one of just reversing who is the players? Simple enough,

2741
02:43:35,520 --> 02:43:38,480
Speaker 1: even that has been creating some iteration in some some

2742
02:43:38,560 --> 02:43:41,520
Speaker 1: additional complexity which and and has caused people. I have

2743
02:43:41,600 --> 02:43:43,959
Speaker 1: seen people, you know, go back and re examine, even

2744
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:46,720
Speaker 1: if they're not people who have any sort of like education,

2745
02:43:47,200 --> 02:43:50,280
Speaker 1: any sort of formal education in anthropology of post corneal theory,

2746
02:43:50,280 --> 02:43:52,440
Speaker 1: they will they'll look at like, oh, yeah, I was

2747
02:43:52,520 --> 02:43:54,400
Speaker 1: playing this game where you're the colonize and I played

2748
02:43:54,440 --> 02:43:55,960
Speaker 1: this other game where they reversed the roles, and I

2749
02:43:56,040 --> 02:44:03,200
Speaker 1: was like, that was the bad guys earlier. Yeah, I

2750
02:44:03,280 --> 02:44:07,199
Speaker 1: mean I think portray the other side and maybe winning

2751
02:44:07,320 --> 02:44:10,640
Speaker 1: means you kick them out or or destroy them. I

2752
02:44:10,680 --> 02:44:14,440
Speaker 1: would like to see that play out versus that is

2753
02:44:14,440 --> 02:44:16,280
Speaker 1: Spirit Island. That is what Spirit Island is, that the

2754
02:44:16,320 --> 02:44:20,240
Speaker 1: players cooperate to destroy the colonizers or to terrorize them

2755
02:44:20,280 --> 02:44:24,920
Speaker 1: into abandoning the island. Uh. Weird game. Weird game. I

2756
02:44:25,040 --> 02:44:27,000
Speaker 1: have some I think there's some good execution. There is

2757
02:44:27,040 --> 02:44:28,720
Speaker 1: some critics and I've got some criticisms of it is

2758
02:44:28,760 --> 02:44:30,880
Speaker 1: my favorite, but it does do some things a little

2759
02:44:30,879 --> 02:44:36,400
Speaker 1: bit well patronizing. But um but yeah, like yeah, like

2760
02:44:36,480 --> 02:44:38,160
Speaker 1: that's that's something I think is worth seeing and uh,

2761
02:44:38,800 --> 02:44:42,000
Speaker 1: and I think it's something that um admittedly, maybe I

2762
02:44:42,240 --> 02:44:44,800
Speaker 1: just really enjoyed the space of the world because you know,

2763
02:44:44,879 --> 02:44:49,000
Speaker 1: if you look at very mainstream video games, for example,

2764
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:51,720
Speaker 1: kind of bored of the same, like five feeling the

2765
02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:54,240
Speaker 1: same five games get released every year, you know, there's

2766
02:44:54,280 --> 02:44:57,720
Speaker 1: some texture, Give me something new. But um, also, I

2767
02:44:58,120 --> 02:45:02,360
Speaker 1: think that U I think that the I think there's

2768
02:45:02,400 --> 02:45:05,040
Speaker 1: some cost for optimism for people like critically examining the

2769
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:07,680
Speaker 1: art that they're building, the art that they're consuming, in

2770
02:45:07,680 --> 02:45:11,200
Speaker 1: the art that they're creating. And I don't know that

2771
02:45:11,280 --> 02:45:15,800
Speaker 1: counting on that kind of stochastic, bouncy ball randomness of

2772
02:45:16,200 --> 02:45:19,760
Speaker 1: people just kind of spontaneously going what if we what

2773
02:45:19,879 --> 02:45:22,960
Speaker 1: if we uh played what if we reverse the roles

2774
02:45:23,000 --> 02:45:24,600
Speaker 1: in Call of Duty? You know what if we played

2775
02:45:25,200 --> 02:45:27,480
Speaker 1: the people living in the fafalo Well, Call of Duty

2776
02:45:27,560 --> 02:45:29,880
Speaker 1: is happening on in the background, just kind of on,

2777
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:32,560
Speaker 1: like the randomness of that happening. Uh might not be

2778
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:36,520
Speaker 1: as fast as people want. I wish, I wish. Oh yeah. Yeah.

2779
02:45:37,040 --> 02:45:38,320
Speaker 1: There was a game called I think it was I

2780
02:45:38,360 --> 02:45:42,800
Speaker 1: think it was called This Is War. Maybe it's called

2781
02:45:42,959 --> 02:45:44,680
Speaker 1: This War of Mine. That's what it was. That's a

2782
02:45:44,760 --> 02:45:50,039
Speaker 1: good game. That's a really well done game. Yeah. Yeah,

2783
02:45:50,080 --> 02:45:53,360
Speaker 1: And there's I'm I'm I don't know. I'm excited to

2784
02:45:53,360 --> 02:45:55,680
Speaker 1: see the future of all this stuff and excited to

2785
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:59,000
Speaker 1: see where people go with this. Well, Chris, I have

2786
02:45:59,080 --> 02:46:02,560
Speaker 1: a question, I did you decide to even bring on Kyle?

2787
02:46:02,680 --> 02:46:04,520
Speaker 1: Like what do you what? What is it about this

2788
02:46:04,720 --> 02:46:09,600
Speaker 1: topic that you think is prevalent today? What? What what

2789
02:46:09,720 --> 02:46:13,320
Speaker 1: can we take away from this? Well? I think I

2790
02:46:13,360 --> 02:46:15,000
Speaker 1: don't know. I think one of the things that I

2791
02:46:15,080 --> 02:46:19,200
Speaker 1: got was reading the article is about like one of

2792
02:46:19,280 --> 02:46:23,000
Speaker 1: the ways, like one of the things you see in

2793
02:46:25,360 --> 02:46:31,200
Speaker 1: how settler colonialism gets perpetuated, and I think, um, why

2794
02:46:31,240 --> 02:46:35,280
Speaker 1: am I now forgetting the name of the Yeah, declonization

2795
02:46:35,360 --> 02:46:37,039
Speaker 1: is not a metaphor. It talks about this a lot,

2796
02:46:37,160 --> 02:46:41,520
Speaker 1: which yeah, I'll talk about that another time someday. But

2797
02:46:41,680 --> 02:46:44,920
Speaker 1: like one of the things that you get like immediately

2798
02:46:45,080 --> 02:46:47,360
Speaker 1: is the sort of is that the settler move to innocence?

2799
02:46:48,560 --> 02:46:51,160
Speaker 1: And that strikes me as like the sort of it's

2800
02:46:51,200 --> 02:46:55,680
Speaker 1: the kind of like it's it's it's the kind of

2801
02:46:55,800 --> 02:46:58,520
Speaker 1: perspective that you see, I think running across all of

2802
02:46:58,600 --> 02:47:02,200
Speaker 1: these board games, and I think it it is actually

2803
02:47:02,280 --> 02:47:06,480
Speaker 1: really helpful to sort of you know, like the way

2804
02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:08,320
Speaker 1: you break that and then the way you start to

2805
02:47:08,360 --> 02:47:10,960
Speaker 1: get actually it actually looks like the colonization. It has

2806
02:47:11,040 --> 02:47:14,600
Speaker 1: to start with people like actually like realizing what they're

2807
02:47:14,640 --> 02:47:17,000
Speaker 1: doing and not being able to sort of like retreat

2808
02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:18,920
Speaker 1: to this position of innocence and being sort of confronted

2809
02:47:18,959 --> 02:47:21,360
Speaker 1: by it. And I think that like that that is

2810
02:47:21,400 --> 02:47:24,160
Speaker 1: a place where media could actually like be very helpful

2811
02:47:24,280 --> 02:47:27,520
Speaker 1: because you know, like most and most mostly like it's

2812
02:47:27,560 --> 02:47:30,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's almost always working in the opposite direction, right,

2813
02:47:30,959 --> 02:47:34,400
Speaker 1: But it's something where you can actually have this sort

2814
02:47:34,440 --> 02:47:37,760
Speaker 1: of I don't know, it's it's a part of the

2815
02:47:37,760 --> 02:47:41,920
Speaker 1: cultural spirit where you could like very like very easily

2816
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:44,280
Speaker 1: put someone into a role that is not the one

2817
02:47:44,360 --> 02:47:47,240
Speaker 1: that they're normally doing and get them to like realize

2818
02:47:47,280 --> 02:47:53,960
Speaker 1: that like what they're doing is like fucked. So yeah, yeah, yeah,

2819
02:47:54,000 --> 02:47:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean I could say the first when I was

2820
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:58,240
Speaker 1: in high school and played playing Sellers of Katan for

2821
02:47:58,280 --> 02:48:00,680
Speaker 1: the first time, I didn't realize the like it took

2822
02:48:00,760 --> 02:48:03,840
Speaker 1: me a while to understand that, like, oh I'm a

2823
02:48:03,920 --> 02:48:10,320
Speaker 1: colonial list yeah, territory. Uh, And well because they yeah,

2824
02:48:10,400 --> 02:48:12,920
Speaker 1: they present it as default innocence and also just like

2825
02:48:13,720 --> 02:48:17,680
Speaker 1: exciting too. There's no there's no backstory to how you

2826
02:48:17,720 --> 02:48:20,039
Speaker 1: get the wood or the ore or or anything else.

2827
02:48:20,080 --> 02:48:22,000
Speaker 1: You just like somehow build a road, you somehow have

2828
02:48:22,200 --> 02:48:26,320
Speaker 1: a town. There is no backstory as to who you're

2829
02:48:26,360 --> 02:48:30,680
Speaker 1: destroying in the process. And I think it infiltrates in

2830
02:48:30,760 --> 02:48:33,560
Speaker 1: your mind to the point where you subconsciously just deemed

2831
02:48:33,640 --> 02:48:37,400
Speaker 1: that as normal. And it's it's definitely not unique, you know,

2832
02:48:37,440 --> 02:48:40,840
Speaker 1: it's definitely like it's only just another tendril of reinforcing

2833
02:48:40,879 --> 02:48:42,600
Speaker 1: stuff that we hear from the rest of our culture

2834
02:48:43,000 --> 02:48:45,800
Speaker 1: so broadly, you know that. Then it's it's just this

2835
02:48:45,959 --> 02:48:49,240
Speaker 1: is just one aspect, one expression, I should say, of

2836
02:48:50,200 --> 02:48:53,720
Speaker 1: how many millions of different ways we get colonialism reinforced

2837
02:48:53,720 --> 02:48:57,200
Speaker 1: to us as a normal, natural part of the world.

2838
02:48:57,560 --> 02:49:03,600
Speaker 1: And uh, and you know, from you know, cowboy movies

2839
02:49:04,000 --> 02:49:07,440
Speaker 1: to uh to just like the way the New York

2840
02:49:07,520 --> 02:49:10,600
Speaker 1: Times will write about who owns land and who's who

2841
02:49:10,680 --> 02:49:12,760
Speaker 1: has a who has a viable claim on owning a

2842
02:49:12,800 --> 02:49:16,600
Speaker 1: piece of land? Uh, all of that you know, we

2843
02:49:16,680 --> 02:49:19,680
Speaker 1: get reinforced was in our fiction are nonfiction every day? Um.

2844
02:49:20,120 --> 02:49:21,600
Speaker 1: I guess again that's part of I guess why I

2845
02:49:21,640 --> 02:49:23,680
Speaker 1: was drawn to board games in particular for this, because

2846
02:49:23,720 --> 02:49:27,440
Speaker 1: it's so transparent, you know, it's so transparent, how all

2847
02:49:27,520 --> 02:49:30,720
Speaker 1: how the all the propaganda works like it's not there's

2848
02:49:30,760 --> 02:49:36,680
Speaker 1: no movie magic. Yeah, yeah, the rules are all there.

2849
02:49:36,720 --> 02:49:40,840
Speaker 1: It's it's pretty much. I don't know, but yeah, but

2850
02:49:40,920 --> 02:49:44,080
Speaker 1: you you sympathized with and I didn't know you empathize

2851
02:49:44,120 --> 02:49:47,160
Speaker 1: with the colonizer because there who you're who you are. Yeah,

2852
02:49:47,200 --> 02:49:49,440
Speaker 1: you want to win, you want to win, you want

2853
02:49:49,480 --> 02:49:55,000
Speaker 1: to win. I'm very competitive. You want to win. Um

2854
02:49:55,800 --> 02:49:57,960
Speaker 1: and and uh and you know, and they get to

2855
02:49:58,080 --> 02:49:59,800
Speaker 1: and the people who may get to have this kind

2856
02:49:59,840 --> 02:50:02,000
Speaker 1: of like this course that this kind of badge of

2857
02:50:02,160 --> 02:50:04,119
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, we made like the friendly board game.

2858
02:50:04,160 --> 02:50:06,600
Speaker 1: You know, they're comparing themselves to you know, making Monopoly,

2859
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:09,520
Speaker 1: where like there's like a chance of a divorce happening

2860
02:50:09,560 --> 02:50:12,200
Speaker 1: every time somebody finishes the game of Monopoly. Uh. And

2861
02:50:12,640 --> 02:50:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, they get to pursue themselves as the nice ones.

2862
02:50:14,760 --> 02:50:17,200
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, we're the nice ones because all

2863
02:50:17,240 --> 02:50:19,520
Speaker 1: the people who were being mean to don't get a

2864
02:50:19,560 --> 02:50:22,040
Speaker 1: voice at all. I just can't believe we made a

2865
02:50:22,080 --> 02:50:26,080
Speaker 1: game about paying rent, Like I really cannot believe that.

2866
02:50:26,800 --> 02:50:31,000
Speaker 1: I history because it's very funny. I skimmed in your

2867
02:50:31,240 --> 02:50:33,680
Speaker 1: in your articles like about it a little bit. But

2868
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:35,680
Speaker 1: it was called something that was much more to the point,

2869
02:50:35,720 --> 02:50:41,400
Speaker 1: what was it called The Landlord's Game? Excuse me, yeah,

2870
02:50:41,480 --> 02:50:46,920
Speaker 1: the landlords Game by Elizabeth Maggie. She was a Georgist

2871
02:50:47,000 --> 02:50:52,280
Speaker 1: activist in the like early twentieth century. Close my mind,

2872
02:50:52,560 --> 02:50:57,800
Speaker 1: fucking George's and the whole. I mean, this monopoly monopoly

2873
02:50:57,840 --> 02:51:00,480
Speaker 1: being the most relevant contribution of George Is to world

2874
02:51:00,600 --> 02:51:06,840
Speaker 1: history is somehow incredibly fitting. Let's all away from it,

2875
02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:11,440
Speaker 1: brutal the number one selling economics book of American history.

2876
02:51:11,879 --> 02:51:15,960
Speaker 1: Because they're used to a very bad board game, I

2877
02:51:16,000 --> 02:51:19,760
Speaker 1: can't say it's unfair, and I guess that that's really

2878
02:51:19,800 --> 02:51:21,520
Speaker 1: what I've got is that like it's I think it's

2879
02:51:21,520 --> 02:51:24,080
Speaker 1: still I think it's very valuable to UM be a

2880
02:51:24,160 --> 02:51:30,080
Speaker 1: critical consumer UM and UM one Boston maybe went over

2881
02:51:30,120 --> 02:51:31,760
Speaker 1: the line, But for the most part, these games haven't

2882
02:51:31,760 --> 02:51:33,600
Speaker 1: like ruined my ability to enjoy them. If my friends

2883
02:51:33,600 --> 02:51:35,280
Speaker 1: want to play a game SLT was on, they might

2884
02:51:35,320 --> 02:51:37,560
Speaker 1: just get an annoying lecture from me. But they're going

2885
02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:39,200
Speaker 1: to get annoying lecture from me anyway, it just would

2886
02:51:39,200 --> 02:51:41,440
Speaker 1: be about something else. I mean, it's like any media.

2887
02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:43,840
Speaker 1: It's like phil and TV or whatever. You're going to

2888
02:51:43,959 --> 02:51:47,279
Speaker 1: realize eventually that you should be conscious of what you're consuming.

2889
02:51:48,600 --> 02:51:52,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll still get into arguments about all those things,

2890
02:51:52,480 --> 02:51:57,119
Speaker 1: except for except for podcasts. People should blindly consume our

2891
02:51:57,200 --> 02:51:59,560
Speaker 1: podcast I mean, I mean, yes, podcasts are the only

2892
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:02,320
Speaker 1: true for was hearing an art form. That's right, that's right.

2893
02:52:03,080 --> 02:52:06,480
Speaker 1: As Karl Mark said, listen to this podcast like can

2894
02:52:06,520 --> 02:52:10,720
Speaker 1: the subscribe, share us on Facebook? And then and then

2895
02:52:10,760 --> 02:52:14,480
Speaker 1: eventually one day podcast will wither away into bolish itself. Yeah,

2896
02:52:14,600 --> 02:52:20,680
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right, classic Marxist podcast theory. That's right,

2897
02:52:20,879 --> 02:52:25,360
Speaker 1: that's right. Is that the episode Well, Kyle, where can

2898
02:52:25,400 --> 02:52:29,600
Speaker 1: people find you? Yes? I I personally am notoriously hard

2899
02:52:29,640 --> 02:52:31,840
Speaker 1: to find on the internet, being a person who doesn't

2900
02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:37,000
Speaker 1: have any social media whatsoever. Absolutely the right call. I

2901
02:52:37,240 --> 02:52:39,760
Speaker 1: I have been off of Twitter for a couple of days.

2902
02:52:39,879 --> 02:52:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm taking a break, and the best best decision you

2903
02:52:43,240 --> 02:52:46,920
Speaker 1: could make get away from all that. Our our publication

2904
02:52:47,360 --> 02:52:51,760
Speaker 1: is at Strange Matters dot co op. We worked hard

2905
02:52:51,800 --> 02:52:54,480
Speaker 1: to get that dot co op registration. Uh. We just

2906
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Speaker 1: published on Thursday a couple of days ago, Love as

2907
02:52:59,560 --> 02:53:05,000
Speaker 1: a Verb in article reviewing UH and um Extrand expanding

2908
02:53:05,080 --> 02:53:08,000
Speaker 1: the possibilities of bell Hooks all about Love two thousand

2909
02:53:08,040 --> 02:53:10,840
Speaker 1: books all about Love, which is worth reading both the

2910
02:53:10,959 --> 02:53:12,880
Speaker 1: both the review and the book. Yeah. I actually just

2911
02:53:12,920 --> 02:53:17,000
Speaker 1: finished it, um four hours ago. Yeah, I heard up

2912
02:53:17,000 --> 02:53:19,720
Speaker 1: for the first time during the pandemic. It was Yeah,

2913
02:53:19,879 --> 02:53:22,360
Speaker 1: it's in Lightning read, It's in Lightning read. Uh. We

2914
02:53:22,680 --> 02:53:25,920
Speaker 1: we tend to have a lot of really insane economics

2915
02:53:25,920 --> 02:53:30,800
Speaker 1: stuff if you want to like read some truly insane

2916
02:53:30,920 --> 02:53:34,280
Speaker 1: ship about money, about where money comes from and what

2917
02:53:34,440 --> 02:53:37,760
Speaker 1: money is and what we can do about money. Uh,

2918
02:53:38,080 --> 02:53:41,560
Speaker 1: we've oh boy, we've got you covered. Uh we have

2919
02:53:42,240 --> 02:53:46,000
Speaker 1: we have a profile of Roberts where we have rendered

2920
02:53:46,080 --> 02:53:52,880
Speaker 1: him as Baron Munchausen very flatteringly. Uh. A really wonderful

2921
02:53:52,920 --> 02:53:55,680
Speaker 1: review of three different cyberpunk works by the wonderful anti

2922
02:53:55,760 --> 02:54:01,240
Speaker 1: fascist author Elizabeth Sanderford. Um. Yeah, so come come check

2923
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Speaker 1: us out at Strange Matters dot co opt. H if

2924
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Speaker 1: for we are we are taking new writers all the time. Uh,

2925
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Speaker 1: and we've got submission gidelines on there. And uh, if

2926
02:54:10,720 --> 02:54:15,040
Speaker 1: you want to personally send me hate mail for besmirching

2927
02:54:15,080 --> 02:54:17,680
Speaker 1: the good honor of settlers of Katan, I can be

2928
02:54:17,760 --> 02:54:22,039
Speaker 1: reached at Kyle at Strange Matters dot co op. Yeah. Oh,

2929
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Speaker 1: and we do have a Twitter for the for the company? Yeah,

2930
02:54:24,480 --> 02:54:27,360
Speaker 1: what's your what's the Twitter for the company? It is

2931
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:32,800
Speaker 1: Strange Underscore Matters perfectly, Thanks Kyle. Check out Strange Matters

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2933
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Speaker 1: anything on Twitter, so I simply uh and thank you,

2934
02:54:43,160 --> 02:54:44,760
Speaker 1: thank you for having me on again. It's a it

2935
02:54:44,879 --> 02:54:50,200
Speaker 1: was a lovely time. Yeah, absolutely all right. Again, as

2936
02:54:50,240 --> 02:55:08,600
Speaker 1: as as with every episode, go with christ Hello, welcome

2937
02:55:08,680 --> 02:55:11,840
Speaker 1: to it could happen here. This is part two of

2938
02:55:12,200 --> 02:55:16,200
Speaker 1: I guess two part series about Dallas, Texas. Finally we're

2939
02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:19,080
Speaker 1: getting in a Dallas, Texas resident to refute some of

2940
02:55:19,160 --> 02:55:26,600
Speaker 1: this this slander. Sure my my, my flawless hometown. Uh

2941
02:55:29,600 --> 02:55:32,920
Speaker 1: briefly host to Bernie Sanders when he had to take

2942
02:55:32,959 --> 02:55:37,080
Speaker 1: care of something. I've spent a few summers in Dallas.

2943
02:55:37,560 --> 02:55:41,400
Speaker 1: I've I've been around it. Unfortunate, I've been around the

2944
02:55:41,480 --> 02:55:45,880
Speaker 1: DFW area. I wouldn't recommend spending summers in Dallas. Hold on,

2945
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:48,680
Speaker 1: hold on, I wouldn't recommend spending winters in Dallas either.

2946
02:55:48,760 --> 02:55:51,160
Speaker 1: There's a couple of weeks in spring that it's tolerable

2947
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:55,960
Speaker 1: to be in Dallas. Try to make it. Then it

2948
02:55:56,040 --> 02:55:57,760
Speaker 1: occurs to me that we should ask Garcy, where were

2949
02:55:57,800 --> 02:56:02,160
Speaker 1: you when they killed JFK? Are you was? I'm Garrison?

2950
02:56:02,959 --> 02:56:05,240
Speaker 1: I was. I was born in the twenty first century.

2951
02:56:05,320 --> 02:56:09,240
Speaker 1: What have you ever a man liquor carcano rifle in

2952
02:56:09,360 --> 02:56:13,800
Speaker 1: the back of American Rifleman magazine. Okay, let's let's open

2953
02:56:14,160 --> 02:56:17,440
Speaker 1: by by first briefly talking about the thirty one Dorky

2954
02:56:17,520 --> 02:56:20,199
Speaker 1: asked neo Nazis who got arrest in Idaho? We're playing

2955
02:56:22,879 --> 02:56:26,120
Speaker 1: and you want to talk about it? That's right, That

2956
02:56:26,360 --> 02:56:29,560
Speaker 1: is exactly why we've already done the episode. But I'm

2957
02:56:29,560 --> 02:56:31,920
Speaker 1: always down to talk about this. I know we just

2958
02:56:32,040 --> 02:56:33,920
Speaker 1: did an episode talking about it, but I wasn't on

2959
02:56:34,120 --> 02:56:36,520
Speaker 1: that one. So I have a few paragraphs on how

2960
02:56:36,600 --> 02:56:40,320
Speaker 1: it relates to today's topic of Christian fascist violence. I

2961
02:56:40,440 --> 02:56:42,320
Speaker 1: just want to state that you and I were both

2962
02:56:42,360 --> 02:56:44,280
Speaker 1: hanging out at a party when we got the news

2963
02:56:44,320 --> 02:56:46,640
Speaker 1: about that, and it is the hardest I've ever seen

2964
02:56:46,680 --> 02:56:52,800
Speaker 1: you laugh for like four hours. So hey, like Patriot

2965
02:56:52,840 --> 02:56:56,280
Speaker 1: Fronts based on a Texas so that that there is

2966
02:56:56,280 --> 02:56:58,640
Speaker 1: a degree of relevance here, yes to the bulk of

2967
02:56:58,720 --> 02:57:01,520
Speaker 1: our of our topic today. So yeah, I think it's

2968
02:57:01,600 --> 02:57:06,000
Speaker 1: pretty funny because the group fashions all dressed in the

2969
02:57:06,120 --> 02:57:10,000
Speaker 1: same outfit. It's almost incomprehensibly fun trade and sauna, so

2970
02:57:10,160 --> 02:57:12,879
Speaker 1: they wouldn't pass out well, crammed into a hot, sweaty

2971
02:57:13,000 --> 02:57:16,280
Speaker 1: U haul truck driving from all around the country to

2972
02:57:16,560 --> 02:57:19,119
Speaker 1: cord relate the Idaho so that they can march around

2973
02:57:19,160 --> 02:57:22,560
Speaker 1: with flags and shields to yell at gay and transcits,

2974
02:57:24,280 --> 02:57:28,120
Speaker 1: and you know what they did. Instead, They got filled

2975
02:57:28,120 --> 02:57:30,240
Speaker 1: over in stetain a ditch while getting their little clad

2976
02:57:30,280 --> 02:57:32,760
Speaker 1: hood masks taken off, and spent the rest of a

2977
02:57:32,840 --> 02:57:37,440
Speaker 1: day to Idaho jail. And I'll go talxt it's really funny,

2978
02:57:38,480 --> 02:57:42,040
Speaker 1: especially since again their best case scenario was spending a

2979
02:57:42,160 --> 02:57:48,880
Speaker 1: day free in quarterlin, Ida. I know. And it's so yeah, yeah, yeah,

2980
02:57:48,879 --> 02:57:52,000
Speaker 1: I'll be like, you can be against cops in the

2981
02:57:52,120 --> 02:57:55,840
Speaker 1: carstral system while still recognizing how innately a certain and

2982
02:57:55,959 --> 02:58:02,800
Speaker 1: hilarious supermarious like it's it's fine when cops in groups

2983
02:58:02,840 --> 02:58:05,560
Speaker 1: like Patriot Front beef that's generally a win win for me.

2984
02:58:06,600 --> 02:58:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm not cheering on police tactics, it's just it's just

2985
02:58:10,360 --> 02:58:13,160
Speaker 1: recognizing that one of my enemies temporarily making another of

2986
02:58:13,240 --> 02:58:16,800
Speaker 1: my enemies. Life's harder is pretty funny, It's really funny.

2987
02:58:17,040 --> 02:58:19,400
Speaker 1: It's it's the same reason that we don't condemn police

2988
02:58:19,480 --> 02:58:24,120
Speaker 1: violence when a cop shoots another cop like exactly like,

2989
02:58:25,560 --> 02:58:28,600
Speaker 1: likes and like. Based on these charges, I doubt any

2990
02:58:28,640 --> 02:58:30,920
Speaker 1: of these guys, in particular, we'll go to prison for

2991
02:58:31,000 --> 02:58:33,400
Speaker 1: long enough to form like any like dangerous connections with

2992
02:58:33,440 --> 02:58:36,440
Speaker 1: other InCAR straton people. Well, I'm sure there's a couple

2993
02:58:36,480 --> 02:58:39,400
Speaker 1: of dudes in there that, if you know, they were

2994
02:58:39,480 --> 02:58:43,279
Speaker 1: to go to a serious prison, could make meaningful inroads

2995
02:58:43,320 --> 02:58:46,840
Speaker 1: with the Nazis there. But man, most of those dudes

2996
02:58:46,920 --> 02:58:49,720
Speaker 1: Area Nations guys are just kind of like they're not

2997
02:58:49,920 --> 02:58:55,880
Speaker 1: going to consider comrades like the the Yeah, it's yeah,

2998
02:58:55,959 --> 02:58:59,440
Speaker 1: I think I think the Patriot Front Idaho situation seems

2999
02:58:59,480 --> 02:59:01,440
Speaker 1: like it will know to just been inconvenience and national

3000
02:59:01,440 --> 02:59:03,520
Speaker 1: embarrassment for them, And I think and I think we

3001
02:59:03,920 --> 02:59:06,040
Speaker 1: can we can let this one just be as funny

3002
02:59:06,080 --> 02:59:09,240
Speaker 1: as it is, considering there was thirty less Nazis there

3003
02:59:09,320 --> 02:59:12,560
Speaker 1: to intimidate and attack people at pride Um and Patriot

3004
02:59:12,600 --> 02:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Front maybe now less willing to pull stunts like this

3005
02:59:14,640 --> 02:59:16,840
Speaker 1: in the future. Yeah, I've thought about this a lot,

3006
02:59:16,920 --> 02:59:18,800
Speaker 1: and I just can't see anyways in which what has

3007
02:59:18,800 --> 02:59:21,800
Speaker 1: happened could really be a problem. Um. It seems to

3008
02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:26,280
Speaker 1: just purely be funny, so just enjoy it. Yeah. Look,

3009
02:59:26,360 --> 02:59:29,279
Speaker 1: look this, this is what happens when you appropriate lesbian culture.

3010
02:59:30,080 --> 02:59:34,760
Speaker 1: You get arrested. Actually, it's not all that different from

3011
02:59:34,760 --> 02:59:41,080
Speaker 1: what Garrison was saying immediately after the arrest. That is true.

3012
02:59:41,120 --> 02:59:43,280
Speaker 1: I made a lot of jokes about how Patriot Front

3013
02:59:43,400 --> 02:59:49,039
Speaker 1: looks pretty pretty gay while getting handcuffed. Get the shine

3014
02:59:49,080 --> 02:59:54,760
Speaker 1: the cancel radar, get the cancelometer out. We're canceling Garrison. Um. Anyway,

3015
02:59:54,959 --> 02:59:58,320
Speaker 1: let's let's continue with this episode. So here is some

3016
02:59:58,440 --> 03:00:02,160
Speaker 1: other fun facts about about the whole Idaho thing. So,

3017
03:00:02,520 --> 03:00:04,920
Speaker 1: two of the Patriot Front members who were crammed into

3018
03:00:04,959 --> 03:00:08,120
Speaker 1: that U haul last weekend, we're connected to a church

3019
03:00:08,480 --> 03:00:11,880
Speaker 1: helmed by former Washington state Representative Matt Shay, who is

3020
03:00:11,879 --> 03:00:15,119
Speaker 1: also associated with the Bundees, the Oath Keepers, and leads

3021
03:00:15,160 --> 03:00:19,560
Speaker 1: the church at Planned Parenthood. Uh. He has advocated like

3022
03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:23,160
Speaker 1: civil war if abortion and same sex marriage aren't stopped,

3023
03:00:23,160 --> 03:00:25,480
Speaker 1: to kill all the men in left wing cities, all

3024
03:00:25,520 --> 03:00:27,920
Speaker 1: that good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And he was also

3025
03:00:27,959 --> 03:00:30,640
Speaker 1: present at the protesting cort alane at the Pride event

3026
03:00:30,760 --> 03:00:34,160
Speaker 1: this past weekend, and we can we can draw like

3027
03:00:34,280 --> 03:00:36,960
Speaker 1: this direct line from the surge of groomer and anti

3028
03:00:37,040 --> 03:00:40,680
Speaker 1: drag propaganda to neo Nazis deciding to organize and travel

3029
03:00:40,760 --> 03:00:43,440
Speaker 1: across straight lines to threaten people in a Pride event.

3030
03:00:43,879 --> 03:00:46,240
Speaker 1: In the days leading up to the event, Chaia right Check,

3031
03:00:46,320 --> 03:00:49,840
Speaker 1: the woman behind the Limbs of TikTok account, repeatedly highlighted

3032
03:00:49,879 --> 03:00:53,880
Speaker 1: it weaponizing pearl clutching Satanic panic. In right Check's first

3033
03:00:53,959 --> 03:00:56,400
Speaker 1: post about the Pride event, it was about how the

3034
03:00:56,480 --> 03:00:59,720
Speaker 1: Satanic Temple was promoting the event. In an Adelaide tweet

3035
03:00:59,760 --> 03:01:03,400
Speaker 1: by someone claiming to represent local Satanists on June seven,

3036
03:01:03,560 --> 03:01:07,960
Speaker 1: Lives of TikTok posted quote family friendly drag dance party

3037
03:01:08,080 --> 03:01:11,360
Speaker 1: being promoted by the Satanic Temple in Idaho. We are

3038
03:01:11,440 --> 03:01:14,440
Speaker 1: living in hell, which is a nice and I stop

3039
03:01:14,520 --> 03:01:16,200
Speaker 1: un there that. I can't quite tell if that was

3040
03:01:16,280 --> 03:01:20,520
Speaker 1: intentional or unintentional about Satanic Temple and living in hell. Anyway,

3041
03:01:20,680 --> 03:01:23,560
Speaker 1: I thought that was funny. Um Dave Riley, a white

3042
03:01:23,560 --> 03:01:27,600
Speaker 1: supremacist who attended the deadly Unite the Right rally and Charlottesville,

3043
03:01:28,160 --> 03:01:32,600
Speaker 1: who also organized with the Identity Europa a few years back.

3044
03:01:32,840 --> 03:01:36,840
Speaker 1: He actively solicited libs of TikTok to draw attention to

3045
03:01:37,000 --> 03:01:39,600
Speaker 1: the Pride event and sought her help in trying to

3046
03:01:40,520 --> 03:01:45,120
Speaker 1: like get publicity for the protests against it, Quoting the

3047
03:01:45,280 --> 03:01:49,920
Speaker 1: SPLC hate watch quote, the Idaho Tribune also due attention

3048
03:01:49,959 --> 03:01:52,920
Speaker 1: to it, Idaho Tribune far from a real newspaper, is

3049
03:01:52,959 --> 03:01:56,160
Speaker 1: to obscure junkan news publication that on multiple occasions has

3050
03:01:56,200 --> 03:02:02,240
Speaker 1: promoted Riley's political activism. Anti racist activists also tipped hate

3051
03:02:02,280 --> 03:02:05,720
Speaker 1: watch off to infrastructural overlap between a website that promotes

3052
03:02:05,840 --> 03:02:09,400
Speaker 1: Riley by name and Idaho Tribune. Hey Watch reviewed the

3053
03:02:09,440 --> 03:02:12,359
Speaker 1: source code for Dave Riley's website and the Idaho Tribune

3054
03:02:12,400 --> 03:02:15,680
Speaker 1: site and confirmed that the two sites share graphics from

3055
03:02:15,720 --> 03:02:18,480
Speaker 1: the same web hosting account, meaning that they are likely

3056
03:02:18,520 --> 03:02:22,400
Speaker 1: controlled by the same person unquote. And then on June nine,

3057
03:02:22,600 --> 03:02:25,760
Speaker 1: Lips of TikTok posted screenshots taken from the Idaho Tribune

3058
03:02:25,920 --> 03:02:28,040
Speaker 1: about the Satanic temple and the quarterly and Pride event,

3059
03:02:28,360 --> 03:02:31,400
Speaker 1: boosting content from that white supremacist linked to website to

3060
03:02:31,480 --> 03:02:35,400
Speaker 1: her one point two million followers. Every single one of

3061
03:02:35,440 --> 03:02:39,920
Speaker 1: these figures using fascist rhetoric at utilizing stochastic methods including

3062
03:02:40,000 --> 03:02:43,240
Speaker 1: Chia wit check, her financial backer Seth Dylan, and people

3063
03:02:43,280 --> 03:02:47,000
Speaker 1: like Tucker Carlson are all responsible for inciting events like this.

3064
03:02:47,600 --> 03:02:50,480
Speaker 1: Tucker led his show last week by using a Nazi

3065
03:02:50,560 --> 03:02:54,280
Speaker 1: reference when referring to a Pride event in Dallas in

3066
03:02:54,400 --> 03:02:57,840
Speaker 1: terms of stuff that's like outside of you know, conservative

3067
03:02:57,879 --> 03:03:01,360
Speaker 1: states like idahoor Texas. Uh. Late last month, right check

3068
03:03:01,520 --> 03:03:05,119
Speaker 1: as lips of TikTok targeted a Bay Area drag Queen

3069
03:03:05,200 --> 03:03:07,800
Speaker 1: storytime event, which is exactly what it sounds like. It's

3070
03:03:07,879 --> 03:03:11,039
Speaker 1: drag queen's reading children's books to kids in a public library.

3071
03:03:11,440 --> 03:03:13,600
Speaker 1: And then on June twelve, it was stormed by a

3072
03:03:13,640 --> 03:03:16,400
Speaker 1: group of around ten men dressed in proud boy attire

3073
03:03:16,720 --> 03:03:20,039
Speaker 1: and shirts that read kill your local pedophile. They threatened

3074
03:03:20,040 --> 03:03:24,160
Speaker 1: attendees while shouting homophobic and transphobic slurs, terrifying a bunch

3075
03:03:24,200 --> 03:03:27,039
Speaker 1: of kids who had come to hear queens read stories.

3076
03:03:27,920 --> 03:03:30,280
Speaker 1: So how did this kind of stuff and like how

3077
03:03:30,320 --> 03:03:33,120
Speaker 1: did this rhetoric spread so quickly? Like how did this

3078
03:03:33,160 --> 03:03:36,560
Speaker 1: groomer stuff get so volatile so quickly just in these

3079
03:03:36,760 --> 03:03:39,440
Speaker 1: just in these past few months, in our war on

3080
03:03:39,520 --> 03:03:43,520
Speaker 1: Transpeople episodes and my Operation Privateful episodes, we discussed the

3081
03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:46,080
Speaker 1: history of this sort of like save the Children and

3082
03:03:46,280 --> 03:03:49,840
Speaker 1: like pedophile rhetoric. Uh. And in my City of Hate

3083
03:03:49,879 --> 03:03:53,240
Speaker 1: episode earlier this week, we talked about how this wave

3084
03:03:53,280 --> 03:03:56,440
Speaker 1: of homophobia was able to write off the conspiracism of

3085
03:03:56,520 --> 03:03:59,279
Speaker 1: Pizza Gate and Q and on and then in this episode,

3086
03:03:59,320 --> 03:04:01,359
Speaker 1: we're an attack of out to the types of places

3087
03:04:01,720 --> 03:04:04,840
Speaker 1: that this extreme bigotry was able to fester this past

3088
03:04:04,959 --> 03:04:09,879
Speaker 1: decade and how it relates to Evangelical Christianity and Christian fascism.

3089
03:04:10,600 --> 03:04:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play an audio clip from a city council

3090
03:04:13,760 --> 03:04:18,400
Speaker 1: meeting in Arlington, Texas that happened on May twenty five.

3091
03:04:18,840 --> 03:04:21,280
Speaker 1: Take a listen. My name is Jonathan Joey. I'm the

3092
03:04:21,360 --> 03:04:23,800
Speaker 1: pastor has been as Badness Church, and I'm here today

3093
03:04:23,800 --> 03:04:26,240
Speaker 1: because I have church members that live in Arlington. I

3094
03:04:26,400 --> 03:04:28,880
Speaker 1: live only a few miles away from here. Enity business

3095
03:04:28,920 --> 03:04:32,600
Speaker 1: in Arlington on a weekly basis. I'm horrified, ashamed that

3096
03:04:32,760 --> 03:04:36,680
Speaker 1: the city has assigned to promote and solicit pride in

3097
03:04:36,800 --> 03:04:40,320
Speaker 1: this city. Pride is nothing to be celebrated. In fact,

3098
03:04:40,400 --> 03:04:44,080
Speaker 1: it's an abomination. The Bible says in Proverbs chapter eight,

3099
03:04:44,280 --> 03:04:47,960
Speaker 1: the fear of the Lord is to hate pride, hate evil,

3100
03:04:48,160 --> 03:04:51,440
Speaker 1: pride and mrogancy and the evil way and the throw

3101
03:04:51,480 --> 03:04:54,560
Speaker 1: word mouth do I hate? According to God, we should

3102
03:04:54,600 --> 03:04:59,240
Speaker 1: hate pride, not celebrate it. We should humble ourselves as

3103
03:04:59,760 --> 03:05:01,960
Speaker 1: for actually the whole rooms that we were a nation

3104
03:05:02,080 --> 03:05:04,280
Speaker 1: under God according to the American flag, and we were

3105
03:05:04,640 --> 03:05:07,360
Speaker 1: a state under God if we're in the Texas flag.

3106
03:05:07,640 --> 03:05:10,680
Speaker 1: We should humble ourselves to what the Bible says and

3107
03:05:10,840 --> 03:05:15,320
Speaker 1: not what the small minority here that doesn't bully would say.

3108
03:05:15,640 --> 03:05:20,240
Speaker 1: In June of Mayor Jeff Williams officially announced the steps

3109
03:05:20,280 --> 03:05:23,760
Speaker 1: a Pride month in June for the city of Arleyington.

3110
03:05:24,320 --> 03:05:27,160
Speaker 1: But I don't understand why we celebrate what used to

3111
03:05:27,200 --> 03:05:30,760
Speaker 1: be a crime not long ago. The fact, I'm recording

3112
03:05:30,840 --> 03:05:37,279
Speaker 1: to the Texas Penal Coach and Sexual respectful homosexual Conduct

3113
03:05:37,640 --> 03:05:40,200
Speaker 1: that Curson commits an offense to be engaged in deviate

3114
03:05:40,280 --> 03:05:44,000
Speaker 1: sexual intercourse with another individual of the same sex. In fact,

3115
03:05:44,120 --> 03:05:47,480
Speaker 1: that is still on the books today, even though Lawrence

3116
03:05:47,640 --> 03:05:51,320
Speaker 1: versus Texas overruled that in two thousand three. But God

3117
03:05:51,360 --> 03:05:54,800
Speaker 1: has already ruled that murder adults three witch graft rate,

3118
03:05:54,959 --> 03:06:01,840
Speaker 1: beastiality of homosexualities are crimes worthy of capital. Arlington, just

3119
03:06:02,040 --> 03:06:05,040
Speaker 1: for context, is one of many towns in North Dallas

3120
03:06:05,120 --> 03:06:07,160
Speaker 1: that if you happen to have weeed on you, you're

3121
03:06:07,200 --> 03:06:08,840
Speaker 1: gonna want to tape it to the bottom of your

3122
03:06:08,879 --> 03:06:13,200
Speaker 1: balls before driving through Arlington. Thanks for that great, great

3123
03:06:13,320 --> 03:06:18,960
Speaker 1: weed tip from You're Welcome, You're Welcome Garrison. So that

3124
03:06:19,200 --> 03:06:22,880
Speaker 1: is Pastor Jonathan Shelley, who lives in Grand Prairie. UM.

3125
03:06:23,080 --> 03:06:25,920
Speaker 1: He was there at at an Arlington, Texas City Council

3126
03:06:25,959 --> 03:06:29,640
Speaker 1: meeting casually advocating killing gay people while citing Texas is

3127
03:06:29,680 --> 03:06:34,360
Speaker 1: laws against homosexuality. Their church, and this connected branch of

3128
03:06:34,400 --> 03:06:37,640
Speaker 1: Baptists that will learn more about later, have an intense

3129
03:06:37,720 --> 03:06:41,440
Speaker 1: record of preaching genocide against gay and transpeople and also

3130
03:06:41,480 --> 03:06:44,520
Speaker 1: a fair amount of anti Semitism. Big big shocker there.

3131
03:06:45,440 --> 03:06:48,959
Speaker 1: The previous pastor at this church, which is called Steadfast

3132
03:06:49,000 --> 03:06:52,440
Speaker 1: Baptist Church. UM. But the previous pastor who resigned in

3133
03:06:52,520 --> 03:06:55,640
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen due to allegations that he paid for sex workers,

3134
03:06:55,720 --> 03:06:59,199
Speaker 1: was involved in gambling, and had smoked marijuana. I guess

3135
03:06:59,400 --> 03:07:01,600
Speaker 1: he should have aped more of it to his pulse. UM.

3136
03:07:03,840 --> 03:07:07,600
Speaker 1: He Garter a national attention for celebrating the Orlando Pulse

3137
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:12,120
Speaker 1: gay nightclub massacre, which killed people. From the pulpit, the

3138
03:07:12,200 --> 03:07:15,520
Speaker 1: pastor said that God should finish the job and referred

3139
03:07:15,640 --> 03:07:20,480
Speaker 1: to the murdered patrons as sodomites, perverts, and pedophiles. The

3140
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Speaker 1: new pastor, John Shelley, continues this same strain of preaching

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03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:28,360
Speaker 1: violence against gay people. Uh. This next clip is from

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Speaker 1: June one, right after someone died after getting hit by

3143
03:07:32,879 --> 03:07:35,880
Speaker 1: a truck at a Pride parade in Florida, which we

3144
03:07:36,080 --> 03:07:38,360
Speaker 1: later found out was a complete accident. But I don't

3145
03:07:38,360 --> 03:07:40,520
Speaker 1: don't think the public knew that at the time. No,

3146
03:07:40,720 --> 03:07:43,280
Speaker 1: and obviously people, I mean, I think all of our

3147
03:07:43,320 --> 03:07:46,600
Speaker 1: assumptions was, oh, god, you know this is the thing. Yeah,

3148
03:07:46,720 --> 03:07:49,480
Speaker 1: Well here's the clip. If it's going beyond just saying

3149
03:07:49,520 --> 03:07:50,880
Speaker 1: you do all this week and stuff, it's saying you

3150
03:07:51,000 --> 03:07:56,959
Speaker 1: enjoy it. You enjoy murder, you enjoy malignity, you enjoy

3151
03:07:57,560 --> 03:08:01,120
Speaker 1: hating God. Look, there's only one group that enjoys that.

3152
03:08:01,520 --> 03:08:03,360
Speaker 1: It is the Pride paradees going up down the street.

3153
03:08:04,760 --> 03:08:07,600
Speaker 1: And you know it's great when trucks accidentally go through those,

3154
03:08:07,720 --> 03:08:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, parades. I think only one person died, so

3155
03:08:11,640 --> 03:08:14,960
Speaker 1: hopefully we can hope for more in the future. You say, well,

3156
03:08:15,000 --> 03:08:17,879
Speaker 1: that's me. Yeah, but the Bible says that they're worthy

3157
03:08:17,920 --> 03:08:21,360
Speaker 1: of death. You say, are you sad when fags die? No,

3158
03:08:21,560 --> 03:08:24,400
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I hope they all die. I

3159
03:08:24,440 --> 03:08:26,680
Speaker 1: would love it if every fag would die right now.

3160
03:08:27,480 --> 03:08:29,440
Speaker 1: And you say, well, I don't think that's what you

3161
03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:33,120
Speaker 1: really mean. That's exactly what I mean. I really mean it.

3162
03:08:33,560 --> 03:08:36,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's a poor drummer. Like that's June,

3163
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:40,480
Speaker 1: even a year before the big wave of groomer stuff

3164
03:08:40,520 --> 03:08:43,520
Speaker 1: got pushed this past spring with the help of Lives

3165
03:08:43,520 --> 03:08:46,400
Speaker 1: of TikTok, and that kind of shows how susceptible modern

3166
03:08:46,400 --> 03:08:50,760
Speaker 1: conservatism was to this resurgence of in your face homophobia.

3167
03:08:51,360 --> 03:08:54,480
Speaker 1: There's been people to working to like keep it here

3168
03:08:54,520 --> 03:08:57,280
Speaker 1: the whole time, just bubbling beneath the surface, and now

3169
03:08:57,360 --> 03:09:01,240
Speaker 1: it's just completely boiled over. And I'm gonna say, like,

3170
03:09:01,440 --> 03:09:02,920
Speaker 1: the rest of the episode is going to get into

3171
03:09:03,000 --> 03:09:05,840
Speaker 1: some pretty dark stuff. We're there's gonna be a few

3172
03:09:05,879 --> 03:09:09,040
Speaker 1: more clips that are pretty are pretty gross if you

3173
03:09:09,120 --> 03:09:11,520
Speaker 1: want to, if you want to check out, that's totally fine.

3174
03:09:11,680 --> 03:09:13,800
Speaker 1: After this episode, I myself. I'm going to take a

3175
03:09:13,840 --> 03:09:16,080
Speaker 1: little bit of a break from covering this sort of

3176
03:09:16,160 --> 03:09:17,680
Speaker 1: thing that's taking a little bit too much of a

3177
03:09:17,720 --> 03:09:22,960
Speaker 1: mental toll, because it's a lot of jenocide. It's it is,

3178
03:09:23,160 --> 03:09:26,400
Speaker 1: it's it is. It's pretty intense. Uh. If you do

3179
03:09:26,600 --> 03:09:29,920
Speaker 1: feel the need to leave before you go, just remember

3180
03:09:30,000 --> 03:09:32,880
Speaker 1: this simple phrase for keeping safe in the DFW area.

3181
03:09:33,520 --> 03:09:36,840
Speaker 1: Tape it to your balls and your happiness won't be smalls.

3182
03:09:38,120 --> 03:09:42,920
Speaker 1: So here's another clip from June of Shelley reiterating his

3183
03:09:43,080 --> 03:09:46,200
Speaker 1: call for the government to execute gay people after he

3184
03:09:46,320 --> 03:09:49,880
Speaker 1: received some public backlash for his the previous clip that

3185
03:09:49,959 --> 03:09:53,080
Speaker 1: we that we used. And I personally believe that all

3186
03:09:53,160 --> 03:09:56,120
Speaker 1: of these sodomites, you know, people that are men with

3187
03:09:56,320 --> 03:09:59,640
Speaker 1: men are pedophile because that means that they just simply

3188
03:09:59,680 --> 03:10:03,480
Speaker 1: are acted to children. They're attracted to. Uh, these people

3189
03:10:03,520 --> 03:10:07,200
Speaker 1: that are the ages of seventeen, sixteen, fifteen, even though

3190
03:10:07,240 --> 03:10:10,480
Speaker 1: they're grown adult, they're going after children and very young

3191
03:10:10,600 --> 03:10:14,160
Speaker 1: children often cases, and lesting them and hurting them. And

3192
03:10:14,440 --> 03:10:18,199
Speaker 1: you know, anybody that loves children, loves their family, would

3193
03:10:18,240 --> 03:10:21,640
Speaker 1: want this person to be executed through the proper channels.

3194
03:10:22,000 --> 03:10:24,480
Speaker 1: That's what I believe. That's what I teach. I'm not

3195
03:10:24,600 --> 03:10:27,600
Speaker 1: a violent person. So my, my, my, my kind of

3196
03:10:27,640 --> 03:10:31,160
Speaker 1: fear is that Shelley or someone like you know, John

3197
03:10:31,200 --> 03:10:32,880
Speaker 1: Doyle that we talked about in our last City of

3198
03:10:32,920 --> 03:10:36,000
Speaker 1: Hit episode. Is not that they themselves will bring a

3199
03:10:36,080 --> 03:10:38,560
Speaker 1: weapon to some future Pride parade or go on a

3200
03:10:38,680 --> 03:10:41,800
Speaker 1: rampage and assault or kill gay people, right. It's that

3201
03:10:41,959 --> 03:10:44,240
Speaker 1: one of their followers or one of their fans will,

3202
03:10:44,560 --> 03:10:47,440
Speaker 1: And these types of pastors and far right media figures

3203
03:10:47,760 --> 03:10:53,800
Speaker 1: are intentionally leading people onto that outcome. Uh to quote Heymtmetta,

3204
03:10:53,920 --> 03:10:58,240
Speaker 1: who's been tracking Steadfast for years, quote, Because while Shelley

3205
03:10:58,360 --> 03:11:02,160
Speaker 1: is celebrating murder, he's also handing his congregation a metaphorical

3206
03:11:02,320 --> 03:11:05,720
Speaker 1: loaded gun. And if somebody eventually uses a literal one

3207
03:11:05,800 --> 03:11:08,360
Speaker 1: to follow through on what they believe to be God's orders,

3208
03:11:08,879 --> 03:11:12,080
Speaker 1: they know that Shelley will be proud of them, even

3209
03:11:12,280 --> 03:11:14,760
Speaker 1: as he tells the world he has absolutely nothing to

3210
03:11:14,879 --> 03:11:18,519
Speaker 1: do with it, unquote. So, under the pressure of activists,

3211
03:11:18,800 --> 03:11:22,400
Speaker 1: Steadfast actually got evicted from their old building in Hearst,

3212
03:11:22,520 --> 03:11:27,280
Speaker 1: Texas this past March for spreading their extreme anti LGBT

3213
03:11:27,840 --> 03:11:30,720
Speaker 1: hate and calls for violence, which was in violation of

3214
03:11:30,840 --> 03:11:33,800
Speaker 1: the terms of its least, which prohibited violence and threats.

3215
03:11:34,560 --> 03:11:37,480
Speaker 1: The church has an active gab page, which kind of

3216
03:11:37,520 --> 03:11:39,560
Speaker 1: tells you a little bit about the people running this

3217
03:11:39,640 --> 03:11:43,920
Speaker 1: sort of operation. Uh Insteadfast publicly organized and livestreamed their

3218
03:11:43,959 --> 03:11:46,760
Speaker 1: sermons on a very active Facebook page, which is no

3219
03:11:46,879 --> 03:11:50,160
Speaker 1: longer active for reasons that we will later discuss. And

3220
03:11:50,240 --> 03:11:53,200
Speaker 1: then during these past few months, they've relocated their church

3221
03:11:53,320 --> 03:11:56,240
Speaker 1: from Hearst to a building that's part of a strip

3222
03:11:56,360 --> 03:12:01,240
Speaker 1: mall in Wattaga, Texas. Is at home say it. That's

3223
03:12:01,400 --> 03:12:04,080
Speaker 1: That's the thing about any town in Texas is he

3224
03:12:04,160 --> 03:12:06,440
Speaker 1: doesn't have It doesn't matter how you pronounce it, because

3225
03:12:06,760 --> 03:12:12,760
Speaker 1: they're Texans. Watuga wat what do whatever you want? Anyway,

3226
03:12:12,879 --> 03:12:14,840
Speaker 1: they're now a strip mall church, which I think is

3227
03:12:16,160 --> 03:12:18,720
Speaker 1: to look for them. I mean that you're okay, I

3228
03:12:18,800 --> 03:12:21,160
Speaker 1: will correct you here. You're saying that like it's it's

3229
03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:23,400
Speaker 1: funny as opposed to just the way everything is in

3230
03:12:23,520 --> 03:12:27,040
Speaker 1: Texas because Texas is a giant strip mall. Yeah. I

3231
03:12:27,080 --> 03:12:31,720
Speaker 1: guess though. And while John Shelley is pretty bad, right,

3232
03:12:31,760 --> 03:12:33,480
Speaker 1: We've we've heard a lot of bad clips of him

3233
03:12:33,560 --> 03:12:35,640
Speaker 1: talking about how gay people are pedophiles and how they

3234
03:12:35,680 --> 03:12:38,080
Speaker 1: should all be killed by the government. He's not the

3235
03:12:38,160 --> 03:12:41,640
Speaker 1: only guy who's sad Fast preaching violent in genocidal rhetoric.

3236
03:12:42,760 --> 03:12:47,400
Speaker 1: Enter Dylan oz formerly based out of Boise, Idaho, now

3237
03:12:47,520 --> 03:12:52,200
Speaker 1: preaching at Stedfast Baptist Church in Watuga, Texas. On Sunday,

3238
03:12:52,360 --> 03:12:57,000
Speaker 1: June four, Dylan oz Well, preaching from the pulpit, said

3239
03:12:57,040 --> 03:13:01,000
Speaker 1: that the quote solution for the homosexual is for the

3240
03:13:01,080 --> 03:13:05,120
Speaker 1: government to execute every single gay person. Here's here is

3241
03:13:08,240 --> 03:13:12,120
Speaker 1: here of him that what does God say is the

3242
03:13:12,240 --> 03:13:15,520
Speaker 1: answer is the solution for the homosexual in two thousand

3243
03:13:15,600 --> 03:13:18,240
Speaker 1: twenty two, here in the New Testament, here in the

3244
03:13:18,280 --> 03:13:21,720
Speaker 1: Book of Romans, that they are worthy of death. These

3245
03:13:21,800 --> 03:13:25,880
Speaker 1: people should be put to death. Every single homosexual in

3246
03:13:25,920 --> 03:13:29,360
Speaker 1: our country should be charged with the crime, the abomination

3247
03:13:29,760 --> 03:13:32,680
Speaker 1: of homosexuality that they have. They should be convicted in

3248
03:13:32,720 --> 03:13:35,760
Speaker 1: a lawful trial. They should be sentenced with death. They

3249
03:13:35,800 --> 03:13:38,040
Speaker 1: should be lined up against the wall and shot in

3250
03:13:38,080 --> 03:13:41,640
Speaker 1: the back of the head. That's what God teaches. That's

3251
03:13:41,680 --> 03:13:44,600
Speaker 1: what the Bible says. You don't like it, you don't

3252
03:13:44,680 --> 03:13:47,560
Speaker 1: like God's work, because that is what God says. I

3253
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:51,000
Speaker 1: don't think that the Bible says anything about guns. Actually, um,

3254
03:13:51,280 --> 03:13:53,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's been a while since I read the

3255
03:13:53,520 --> 03:13:57,040
Speaker 1: King James version that said fast exclusively uses, so maybe

3256
03:13:57,080 --> 03:13:59,400
Speaker 1: it's like a translation thing, but I don't I don't

3257
03:13:59,400 --> 03:14:02,520
Speaker 1: remember anything about shooting or bullets or guns and inside

3258
03:14:02,600 --> 03:14:07,840
Speaker 1: my Bible. Um. But speaking of translation things, I'm gonna

3259
03:14:07,920 --> 03:14:10,600
Speaker 1: go on a little theology right here about quote unquote

3260
03:14:10,680 --> 03:14:13,880
Speaker 1: lying with man or lying with men, um, and how

3261
03:14:13,959 --> 03:14:16,840
Speaker 1: scholars actually believe if you look at the original Biblical texts,

3262
03:14:16,920 --> 03:14:18,960
Speaker 1: not the crap like the King James version and the

3263
03:14:19,080 --> 03:14:22,880
Speaker 1: nonsense based off that horrible translation, but the chapters where

3264
03:14:22,879 --> 03:14:26,200
Speaker 1: people pull stuff supposedly condemning men for laying with men,

3265
03:14:26,400 --> 03:14:29,200
Speaker 1: and quote unquote homosexuality, which is obviously like a very

3266
03:14:29,280 --> 03:14:31,760
Speaker 1: modern word, does not belong in a text as oldest

3267
03:14:31,800 --> 03:14:33,640
Speaker 1: the Bible, like that just wor didn't that wor didn't

3268
03:14:33,640 --> 03:14:38,320
Speaker 1: exist yet. Um. But those passages would probably more accurately

3269
03:14:38,400 --> 03:14:42,680
Speaker 1: translate to condemning adult men who rape young boys. Uh.

3270
03:14:43,040 --> 03:14:45,440
Speaker 1: And even if they didn't, even if it was about

3271
03:14:45,440 --> 03:14:48,640
Speaker 1: adult men with other adult men. I don't fucking care,

3272
03:14:48,720 --> 03:14:51,720
Speaker 1: and neither should most Christians, because Christians are not following

3273
03:14:51,760 --> 03:14:54,600
Speaker 1: all of the laws of Leviticus, nor should they, like

3274
03:14:54,879 --> 03:14:57,840
Speaker 1: that ship was for Israelites thousands of years ago to

3275
03:14:57,959 --> 03:15:02,199
Speaker 1: make their culture distinct from other surrounding nations. Like Christians

3276
03:15:02,240 --> 03:15:05,720
Speaker 1: aren't railing against the use of mixed fabric for Christ's sake,

3277
03:15:06,760 --> 03:15:09,840
Speaker 1: I am, there's there's a lot of there's a lot

3278
03:15:09,879 --> 03:15:12,400
Speaker 1: of stuff. Believe in eating shrimp. But I think if

3279
03:15:12,440 --> 03:15:15,080
Speaker 1: you use mixed fabrics, you should be executed. You should

3280
03:15:15,120 --> 03:15:19,360
Speaker 1: be the back of the head. That's the mainly thing

3281
03:15:19,520 --> 03:15:25,000
Speaker 1: that anyone using mixed fabrics death penalty instantly. Yeah, so,

3282
03:15:25,080 --> 03:15:28,840
Speaker 1: like obviously there's not these churches preaching against mixed fabric.

3283
03:15:29,400 --> 03:15:34,720
Speaker 1: Here's here's Christian preacher Dylanas again justifying his calls for

3284
03:15:34,760 --> 03:15:39,520
Speaker 1: the execution of gay people by falsely claiming, obviously that

3285
03:15:40,040 --> 03:15:45,039
Speaker 1: all homosexuals are pedophiles. Here's the thing, here's why reprobates,

3286
03:15:45,240 --> 03:15:49,320
Speaker 1: Here's why homosexuals are so dangerous to society. They're not

3287
03:15:49,480 --> 03:15:52,360
Speaker 1: like other sinners in the sense that every single day

3288
03:15:52,760 --> 03:15:55,960
Speaker 1: that they are alive, they're being filled with more and

3289
03:15:56,120 --> 03:16:00,720
Speaker 1: more and more unrighteousness. That is a scary thing. You

3290
03:16:00,800 --> 03:16:03,440
Speaker 1: want to know why we say that all homosexuals are pedophiles,

3291
03:16:03,600 --> 03:16:07,760
Speaker 1: And let me make that very clear. All homosexuals are pedophiles,

3292
03:16:08,280 --> 03:16:10,240
Speaker 1: And people say, well, what about all the straight people

3293
03:16:10,360 --> 03:16:13,360
Speaker 1: that molest children? There faces, I don't care what you

3294
03:16:13,480 --> 03:16:17,600
Speaker 1: call them. If if a person is with a child,

3295
03:16:17,800 --> 03:16:20,920
Speaker 1: your factor, you're reprobated, your sodomite. I don't care what

3296
03:16:21,000 --> 03:16:23,840
Speaker 1: kind of classifications our government wants to give them. All

3297
03:16:24,280 --> 03:16:27,600
Speaker 1: homosexuals are pedophiles. Now here's the thing. Here's here's what

3298
03:16:27,640 --> 03:16:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm not saying that every single homosexual

3299
03:16:31,520 --> 03:16:33,920
Speaker 1: that's alive right now has committed that act with a

3300
03:16:34,000 --> 03:16:36,840
Speaker 1: child already, because there it could be that they haven't

3301
03:16:36,879 --> 03:16:39,760
Speaker 1: had the opportunity yet, and they will at some point

3302
03:16:39,840 --> 03:16:42,600
Speaker 1: later in their life. This is why we need to

3303
03:16:42,640 --> 03:16:44,400
Speaker 1: put these people to death through the proper channels of

3304
03:16:44,440 --> 03:16:48,000
Speaker 1: the government, because the Bible says that they are being filled.

3305
03:16:48,280 --> 03:16:50,680
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Yes, maybe not every single homosexual

3306
03:16:50,720 --> 03:16:53,080
Speaker 1: has been with a child yet, But what about tomorrow

3307
03:16:53,080 --> 03:16:56,080
Speaker 1: when they're filled with a little more unrighteousness. What about

3308
03:16:56,120 --> 03:16:57,800
Speaker 1: in a week from now, when they're a little filled

3309
03:16:57,800 --> 03:17:01,800
Speaker 1: with a little more unrighteousness? What about twenty years from now?

3310
03:17:02,360 --> 03:17:04,280
Speaker 1: What are they going to be like? You look up

3311
03:17:04,320 --> 03:17:07,680
Speaker 1: the statistics on the sodomites that abused children, there with

3312
03:17:07,879 --> 03:17:11,520
Speaker 1: so many children will make you throw up disgusting. These

3313
03:17:11,560 --> 03:17:14,520
Speaker 1: people are not normal. They're not your average everyday centers.

3314
03:17:14,600 --> 03:17:17,640
Speaker 1: They're what the Bible calls reverbates. They're rejected by God.

3315
03:17:18,080 --> 03:17:22,440
Speaker 1: They have no hope of salvation. So in John Shelley

3316
03:17:22,520 --> 03:17:25,840
Speaker 1: with Steadfast Baptist Church, with the help of a network

3317
03:17:25,920 --> 03:17:30,320
Speaker 1: of aggressively homophobic churches, made a two hour quote unquote

3318
03:17:30,440 --> 03:17:37,240
Speaker 1: documentary about how to quote protect your children called and

3319
03:17:37,400 --> 03:17:44,000
Speaker 1: it's the title is called the Sodabite Deception. See all right, look,

3320
03:17:44,280 --> 03:17:46,800
Speaker 1: we're going to look if we're going to do this

3321
03:17:47,120 --> 03:17:49,959
Speaker 1: thing where there's licenses for people to buy guns, can

3322
03:17:50,080 --> 03:17:52,400
Speaker 1: we have there be a license to make a documentary?

3323
03:17:52,879 --> 03:17:58,440
Speaker 1: Can we marry that too? So the quote unquote Sadamite

3324
03:17:58,560 --> 03:18:04,039
Speaker 1: Deception aims to expose how the LGBTQ community is contributing

3325
03:18:04,120 --> 03:18:08,000
Speaker 1: to the collapse of modern society, which I mean based um.

3326
03:18:09,000 --> 03:18:12,920
Speaker 1: The trailer opens with a real banger. Most Americans are

3327
03:18:12,959 --> 03:18:16,480
Speaker 1: repelled by the mere notion of homosexuality. The CBS News

3328
03:18:16,520 --> 03:18:19,200
Speaker 1: survey shows that two out of three Americans look upon

3329
03:18:19,280 --> 03:18:23,800
Speaker 1: homosexuals we've discussed discomfort or fear. One out of ten

3330
03:18:23,959 --> 03:18:29,199
Speaker 1: says Hatred. The documentary celebrates historical laws that criminalized homosexuality

3331
03:18:29,400 --> 03:18:32,680
Speaker 1: and criticizes more recent laws that expand lgbt Q rights.

3332
03:18:33,160 --> 03:18:35,240
Speaker 1: In the film, Shell, he advocates for the death penalty

3333
03:18:35,320 --> 03:18:37,920
Speaker 1: to be used on the LGBTQ community and uses, you know,

3334
03:18:38,080 --> 03:18:40,800
Speaker 1: many many slurs across this whole thing, all of all

3335
03:18:40,840 --> 03:18:42,520
Speaker 1: of them use all kinds of slurs, as I'm sure

3336
03:18:42,560 --> 03:18:45,879
Speaker 1: we've heard this past episode. Uh. The pastors of other

3337
03:18:45,959 --> 03:18:50,720
Speaker 1: churches part of the New Independent Fundamental Baptist movement, also

3338
03:18:51,080 --> 03:18:54,720
Speaker 1: featured in the documentary. Here's a collection of said pastors

3339
03:18:55,120 --> 03:18:59,680
Speaker 1: screaming in the trailer for the Sodamite Deception. Thank you,

3340
03:18:59,760 --> 03:19:01,600
Speaker 1: Gary Prison, thank you for playing us a trailer of

3341
03:19:01,640 --> 03:19:05,240
Speaker 1: people screaming. That's gonna be fun. Starting off with Shelley saying, quote,

3342
03:19:05,600 --> 03:19:08,520
Speaker 1: why aren't all these Baptists standing up and saying these

3343
03:19:08,600 --> 03:19:10,680
Speaker 1: freaks should go back to hell, should go back in

3344
03:19:10,720 --> 03:19:13,080
Speaker 1: the closet, put a bullet in your head. Why aren't

3345
03:19:13,080 --> 03:19:16,360
Speaker 1: they saying it? Because some of some of what he

3346
03:19:16,360 --> 03:19:18,040
Speaker 1: says his heart to hear. So I'm just saying that

3347
03:19:18,240 --> 03:19:20,000
Speaker 1: for you guys, so you know what he's saying. Anyway,

3348
03:19:20,280 --> 03:19:22,600
Speaker 1: here's some here's some of the trailer. It's pretty funny.

3349
03:19:23,879 --> 03:19:26,640
Speaker 1: Why are all these Baptists standing up and saying, these

3350
03:19:26,720 --> 03:19:29,680
Speaker 1: freaks and go back to hell, go back to the closet,

3351
03:19:30,240 --> 03:19:32,640
Speaker 1: put a bull in your hat. Why aren't they saying it?

3352
03:19:34,360 --> 03:19:39,039
Speaker 1: I'm called bagging, a bagging, a trance bestie, a disgusting gone.

3353
03:19:40,400 --> 03:19:43,400
Speaker 1: No homos will ever be allowed on this turk as

3354
03:19:43,440 --> 03:19:47,040
Speaker 1: long as I'm the pastor here. Never the law of

3355
03:19:47,040 --> 03:19:50,280
Speaker 1: the Lord perfect or is it not? It's perfect? And

3356
03:19:50,400 --> 03:19:54,600
Speaker 1: what did he say? Put them to death? You know,

3357
03:19:54,640 --> 03:19:56,840
Speaker 1: people say like, well, aren't you sadt that you saw side?

3358
03:19:57,160 --> 03:19:58,960
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with that. It's like the equivalent of

3359
03:19:59,000 --> 03:20:01,160
Speaker 1: asking me, you know, have you asked me, Hey, are

3360
03:20:01,200 --> 03:20:05,080
Speaker 1: you sad that fifty pedophiles were killed today? Um? No,

3361
03:20:05,400 --> 03:20:09,320
Speaker 1: I think that's great. I think that helps society. You know,

3362
03:20:09,440 --> 03:20:12,440
Speaker 1: I think Orlando, Florida was a little safer tonight now

3363
03:20:12,560 --> 03:20:15,000
Speaker 1: that fifty. You know, the tragedy is that more of

3364
03:20:15,080 --> 03:20:18,000
Speaker 1: them than Doe? I mean, the tragedy is I'm i'm

3365
03:20:18,080 --> 03:20:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm kind I'm upset that he finished the

3366
03:20:20,760 --> 03:20:26,160
Speaker 1: job because these people are creditive. So yeah, that sucks. Uh,

3367
03:20:27,600 --> 03:20:30,000
Speaker 1: but man, there is just a lot of a lot

3368
03:20:30,080 --> 03:20:32,840
Speaker 1: of like men in their forties screaming about gay people.

3369
03:20:32,879 --> 03:20:38,400
Speaker 1: They they they seem really concerned. Yes yeah, um. Someone

3370
03:20:38,560 --> 03:20:42,680
Speaker 1: in that clip is noted homophobe and the Holocaust denier

3371
03:20:42,879 --> 03:20:47,360
Speaker 1: Stephen Anderson, who of of of Faithful Word Baptist Church.

3372
03:20:48,360 --> 03:20:55,120
Speaker 1: He's he's the guy shrieking never never anyway. Uh. Steadfast

3373
03:20:55,520 --> 03:20:58,560
Speaker 1: Church members and pastors have continued to show up at

3374
03:20:58,600 --> 03:21:02,000
Speaker 1: city council meetings in multi cities throughout the Dallas Fort

3375
03:21:02,040 --> 03:21:05,760
Speaker 1: Worth area. This past Monday, people associated with the church,

3376
03:21:05,840 --> 03:21:10,080
Speaker 1: as well as residents opposing Steadfests bigotry, spoke at a

3377
03:21:10,120 --> 03:21:13,800
Speaker 1: city council meeting in Watouga, Texas. I'm here today to

3378
03:21:13,879 --> 03:21:15,960
Speaker 1: let the council know of the hate group that hasn'tered

3379
03:21:16,000 --> 03:21:19,000
Speaker 1: their city. This hay group was called Steadfast Baptist Church.

3380
03:21:19,760 --> 03:21:22,320
Speaker 1: It was in June one that I first came across

3381
03:21:22,360 --> 03:21:26,280
Speaker 1: the offensive defamation against women and the LGBTQ community. The

3382
03:21:26,360 --> 03:21:29,880
Speaker 1: hate statements, videos and social media posts prompted me to

3383
03:21:29,959 --> 03:21:32,560
Speaker 1: join the protests that started in hers and now has

3384
03:21:32,640 --> 03:21:35,240
Speaker 1: moved to your city. And I apologize for this, but

3385
03:21:35,320 --> 03:21:38,880
Speaker 1: this is quoting him. They are all dirty discased disgusting

3386
03:21:39,000 --> 03:21:42,039
Speaker 1: skank cores. In another video, he also states that women

3387
03:21:42,080 --> 03:21:44,600
Speaker 1: in positions of leadership and authority are actually a curse

3388
03:21:44,720 --> 03:21:47,440
Speaker 1: upon our nation. Council members, at the very least, you

3389
03:21:47,480 --> 03:21:51,280
Speaker 1: should encourage the strip law owner Cider Property of Dallas

3390
03:21:51,360 --> 03:21:55,320
Speaker 1: to revoke this church's lease. So yeah, there was there

3391
03:21:55,400 --> 03:21:57,000
Speaker 1: was kind of like this back and forth at this

3392
03:21:57,200 --> 03:22:01,680
Speaker 1: city council meeting. Multiple multiple people from Steadfast responded by

3393
03:22:01,720 --> 03:22:05,199
Speaker 1: screaming into the mic and continuing to advocate the execution

3394
03:22:05,240 --> 03:22:07,840
Speaker 1: of gay people. One guy that I'll that'll quickly play

3395
03:22:07,840 --> 03:22:12,080
Speaker 1: a clip of as Philip millstread of of Steadfast. He

3396
03:22:12,640 --> 03:22:16,560
Speaker 1: went further and made a veiled threat of violence the

3397
03:22:16,640 --> 03:22:21,080
Speaker 1: city of Otaga. And if police officers are allowing this community,

3398
03:22:21,480 --> 03:22:24,440
Speaker 1: the son of my community, to intimidate church members from

3399
03:22:24,480 --> 03:22:27,560
Speaker 1: worshiping God the way he should be worshiped and truth,

3400
03:22:27,879 --> 03:22:30,640
Speaker 1: and if you don't do something, something will happen bad.

3401
03:22:31,040 --> 03:22:36,119
Speaker 1: So that's fun. Um. It's also a strong, strong definition

3402
03:22:36,160 --> 03:22:38,640
Speaker 1: of the word veiled. Well, I mean like in terms

3403
03:22:38,720 --> 03:22:41,600
Speaker 1: like obviously they're they're they're talking about execution and genocide.

3404
03:22:41,840 --> 03:22:46,360
Speaker 1: He's talking about like actually doing physical like like actually

3405
03:22:46,520 --> 03:22:49,560
Speaker 1: like as vigilante is doing physical violence, which is different

3406
03:22:49,560 --> 03:22:52,880
Speaker 1: because Steadfast usually tries to frame their violence within like

3407
03:22:53,320 --> 03:22:56,000
Speaker 1: it's okay because it's a part of the government. Right.

3408
03:22:56,600 --> 03:22:59,800
Speaker 1: Uh So when they're like talking about just doing like

3409
03:23:00,120 --> 03:23:03,000
Speaker 1: vigilantism or list saying like we're gonna take this into

3410
03:23:03,040 --> 03:23:05,200
Speaker 1: our own hands, right, it's it's it's it's a little

3411
03:23:05,240 --> 03:23:09,680
Speaker 1: bit different. Wattuga Mayor Arthur Minor this past Tuesday, so

3412
03:23:09,800 --> 03:23:12,680
Speaker 1: that he is discussing the status of Steadfast Baptist Church

3413
03:23:12,959 --> 03:23:15,960
Speaker 1: with the city attorney, while also stating that the attorney

3414
03:23:16,040 --> 03:23:18,680
Speaker 1: has told him that it's a First Amendment issue, so

3415
03:23:18,800 --> 03:23:21,039
Speaker 1: that there's quote nothing that the city can do at

3416
03:23:21,120 --> 03:23:24,600
Speaker 1: this time, but we are looking at other avenues unquote,

3417
03:23:24,840 --> 03:23:27,920
Speaker 1: and I mean that's to be that's probably probably fair.

3418
03:23:29,080 --> 03:23:33,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to make a church leave a place. Yeah.

3419
03:23:33,600 --> 03:23:36,040
Speaker 1: So he did not he did not elaborate further than that,

3420
03:23:36,280 --> 03:23:38,560
Speaker 1: but he did encourage people to bring up the issue

3421
03:23:38,800 --> 03:23:43,680
Speaker 1: with the person holding Steadfast's lease at this strip mall

3422
03:23:44,040 --> 03:23:48,760
Speaker 1: in Watuca. Uh let his let us go on another

3423
03:23:49,280 --> 03:23:53,200
Speaker 1: ad break. Do you know who won't shriek at gay

3424
03:23:53,280 --> 03:23:57,160
Speaker 1: people and call on the government to kill them? Hope,

3425
03:23:57,320 --> 03:24:00,959
Speaker 1: hopefully these these these ads, hopefully not for another couple

3426
03:24:01,000 --> 03:24:05,480
Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, well that's why I said hopefully. Okay,

3427
03:24:05,840 --> 03:24:08,720
Speaker 1: so let's let's talk a bit more about this, this

3428
03:24:08,879 --> 03:24:12,920
Speaker 1: church's ideology and this network that it's associated with, because

3429
03:24:12,959 --> 03:24:16,440
Speaker 1: it is actually kind of interesting. So Steadfast Baptist Church

3430
03:24:16,720 --> 03:24:20,000
Speaker 1: is part of Steven Anderson's church network called the New

3431
03:24:20,080 --> 03:24:24,480
Speaker 1: Independent fundamental Baptist Movement, uh, which I'm just gonna call

3432
03:24:24,680 --> 03:24:29,280
Speaker 1: the New i FB because those are way too many words. Um.

3433
03:24:29,760 --> 03:24:32,960
Speaker 1: And they claim it's not like a denomination, but rather

3434
03:24:33,400 --> 03:24:39,240
Speaker 1: a revival of what the old Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Movement

3435
03:24:39,360 --> 03:24:42,920
Speaker 1: once arepresented unquote. The New I f B churches just

3436
03:24:43,040 --> 03:24:45,680
Speaker 1: like the old if the churches used the King James

3437
03:24:45,760 --> 03:24:49,720
Speaker 1: Bible exclusively. And the Old Life b movement was founded

3438
03:24:49,760 --> 03:24:52,680
Speaker 1: in the forties and was trying to reclaim the fundamentalism

3439
03:24:52,720 --> 03:24:57,400
Speaker 1: of the nineteen twenties. And so we're just we're going

3440
03:24:57,520 --> 03:25:01,400
Speaker 1: back from the two thousand twenties to that I twenties, uh,

3441
03:25:02,200 --> 03:25:06,440
Speaker 1: in terms of their social views times of flat circle. Uh,

3442
03:25:08,160 --> 03:25:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna quote a little bit from the A. D.

3443
03:25:10,400 --> 03:25:12,080
Speaker 1: L which of course is very hit and miss as

3444
03:25:12,080 --> 03:25:15,920
Speaker 1: an organization. But they didn't, but they did, they did.

3445
03:25:15,959 --> 03:25:17,640
Speaker 1: They do have any They do have a decent article

3446
03:25:17,879 --> 03:25:21,000
Speaker 1: on the new U I f B churches because this

3447
03:25:21,160 --> 03:25:23,480
Speaker 1: is like specifically the thing they focus on is this

3448
03:25:23,680 --> 03:25:27,880
Speaker 1: sort of anti Semitism. So anyway, quote, the New I

3449
03:25:28,280 --> 03:25:31,199
Speaker 1: f B ideology promotes the anti Semitic notion that Jews

3450
03:25:31,280 --> 03:25:34,840
Speaker 1: today are impostors who are not the true Jews described

3451
03:25:34,879 --> 03:25:38,160
Speaker 1: in the Bible, which by the way, is awfully close

3452
03:25:38,240 --> 03:25:42,920
Speaker 1: to Christian identity. I mean that is essentially Christian identity.

3453
03:25:43,080 --> 03:25:46,000
Speaker 1: It is. It's very very similar. I think the New

3454
03:25:46,120 --> 03:25:48,440
Speaker 1: I f B stuff is slightly different. It comes out

3455
03:25:48,520 --> 03:25:53,280
Speaker 1: from a slightly different direction, it's like, but they reach

3456
03:25:53,360 --> 03:25:57,520
Speaker 1: a very similar conclusion. Like I don't think they believe

3457
03:25:57,680 --> 03:26:00,360
Speaker 1: that Christians are like the true Jews, and they don't

3458
03:26:00,360 --> 03:26:03,039
Speaker 1: talk about like Arians and stuff, and they're not doing

3459
03:26:03,120 --> 03:26:07,000
Speaker 1: British Israelism, but they Judaism is the Synagogue of Saying.

3460
03:26:07,040 --> 03:26:09,640
Speaker 1: But it's like, well, some of them do use the

3461
03:26:09,760 --> 03:26:14,680
Speaker 1: term the Synagogue of Satan, but like you know, they

3462
03:26:14,800 --> 03:26:18,520
Speaker 1: hate Judaism because as a religion, it's made up of

3463
03:26:18,640 --> 03:26:21,600
Speaker 1: Jews who do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. So

3464
03:26:21,720 --> 03:26:24,879
Speaker 1: therefore they are not truly descendants of Israel. Right, it's

3465
03:26:24,879 --> 03:26:27,240
Speaker 1: it's it's they come at it from more of that direction,

3466
03:26:27,560 --> 03:26:31,360
Speaker 1: but it is still extremely close to Christian identity. Like

3467
03:26:31,520 --> 03:26:34,480
Speaker 1: it is, it is. It is just a tiny hop

3468
03:26:34,560 --> 03:26:37,480
Speaker 1: of a pond like the kiss for sure. No, they

3469
03:26:37,640 --> 03:26:40,640
Speaker 1: like they are so they are absolutely in the same

3470
03:26:40,720 --> 03:26:45,480
Speaker 1: networks because they are preaching very similar ideology um back

3471
03:26:45,520 --> 03:26:47,640
Speaker 1: to the back, back to the Idel quote. They often

3472
03:26:47,720 --> 03:26:50,280
Speaker 1: claim that Jews today worship Satan and that the Star

3473
03:26:50,360 --> 03:26:54,520
Speaker 1: of David represents the devil. The new i FB doctrine

3474
03:26:54,560 --> 03:26:57,320
Speaker 1: promotes the notion of an Antichrist, whom they claim will

3475
03:26:57,360 --> 03:27:01,600
Speaker 1: be Jewish. In their sermons very new various New i

3476
03:27:01,760 --> 03:27:05,680
Speaker 1: FB pastors often openly state that they hate Judaism as religion,

3477
03:27:06,240 --> 03:27:10,199
Speaker 1: and in addition to criticizing Judaism, many New i FB

3478
03:27:10,360 --> 03:27:14,200
Speaker 1: pastors also promote andy Semitic tropes about Jewish power and

3479
03:27:14,320 --> 03:27:18,920
Speaker 1: control over sectors like finance, news, media, and journalism. New

3480
03:27:19,040 --> 03:27:22,640
Speaker 1: i FB pastors have also promoted Holocaust denial. In pastor

3481
03:27:22,720 --> 03:27:25,320
Speaker 1: Stephen Anderson presented a number of false claims in a

3482
03:27:25,440 --> 03:27:30,280
Speaker 1: video specifically addressing the so called quote Holocaust hoax unquote

3483
03:27:30,840 --> 03:27:34,280
Speaker 1: saying the numbers don't add up, the facts don't add up.

3484
03:27:34,840 --> 03:27:40,040
Speaker 1: Um Anderson alleged that quote some Jews were among the

3485
03:27:40,160 --> 03:27:47,480
Speaker 1: many quote casualties on both sides matter, but he blamed

3486
03:27:47,560 --> 03:27:50,800
Speaker 1: those deaths on starvation and poor conditions, claiming that quote

3487
03:27:50,959 --> 03:27:53,320
Speaker 1: just because people were rounded up and putting for slabor

3488
03:27:53,400 --> 03:27:56,640
Speaker 1: camps does not mean that they were systematically exterminated or

3489
03:27:56,760 --> 03:28:00,680
Speaker 1: cremated to the tune of six million unquote. Unlike many

3490
03:28:00,800 --> 03:28:03,400
Speaker 1: in the evangelical movement, New I f B Churches are

3491
03:28:03,440 --> 03:28:07,320
Speaker 1: staunchly anti Zionist and anti Israel data christ Zionism as

3492
03:28:07,440 --> 03:28:11,160
Speaker 1: quote jew worship unquote, and view the traditional support for

3493
03:28:11,240 --> 03:28:14,600
Speaker 1: Israel among Evangelical Christians as a result of Jewish deception

3494
03:28:15,200 --> 03:28:18,080
Speaker 1: in support of the anti christ. But they have a

3495
03:28:18,360 --> 03:28:20,840
Speaker 1: ton of opinions about the sinking of the U. S S.

3496
03:28:20,920 --> 03:28:24,600
Speaker 1: Liberty in line with their broader anti Simmitic use Judaism

3497
03:28:24,959 --> 03:28:27,280
Speaker 1: as a false and evil religion. The modern nation of

3498
03:28:27,400 --> 03:28:31,959
Speaker 1: Israel is regularly characterized as wicked and a fraud unquote.

3499
03:28:32,160 --> 03:28:36,640
Speaker 1: And they do not dislike Israel because Israel commits genocide

3500
03:28:36,640 --> 03:28:39,840
Speaker 1: against Palestinian people, because, as you say that, they're very

3501
03:28:39,879 --> 03:28:43,200
Speaker 1: pro genocide as a concept. Yeah, and then to be honest,

3502
03:28:43,440 --> 03:28:47,080
Speaker 1: probably pretty pro genocide of the Palestinian people. Yeah, they

3503
03:28:47,720 --> 03:28:52,320
Speaker 1: just not that way. Yeah. So that's a little a

3504
03:28:52,360 --> 03:28:55,000
Speaker 1: little right up on what this network of churches believes.

3505
03:28:55,160 --> 03:28:58,480
Speaker 1: Like everyone you heard talk talk inside the Sodomite Deception

3506
03:28:58,560 --> 03:29:01,440
Speaker 1: trailer is part of this network of churches. Um, they're

3507
03:29:01,440 --> 03:29:03,680
Speaker 1: all across the South, some of them, and some summer

3508
03:29:03,760 --> 03:29:10,000
Speaker 1: in like California, Arizona, Idaho, oh, Oklahoma, Texas, you know,

3509
03:29:10,160 --> 03:29:13,160
Speaker 1: lots of other Southern states. And if you want to

3510
03:29:13,200 --> 03:29:17,000
Speaker 1: carry out a sodomite deception, tape your drugs to your

3511
03:29:17,120 --> 03:29:23,560
Speaker 1: junk when you drive through Texas. So thankfully, churches like

3512
03:29:23,680 --> 03:29:27,440
Speaker 1: these are not standing unopposed. Specifically in the Dallas Fort

3513
03:29:27,440 --> 03:29:30,360
Speaker 1: Worth area, there has been a number of protests at

3514
03:29:30,400 --> 03:29:33,240
Speaker 1: the church's old location, which resulted in them getting evicted,

3515
03:29:33,720 --> 03:29:36,720
Speaker 1: and protests at their new location. I'm gonna place some

3516
03:29:36,800 --> 03:29:40,280
Speaker 1: audio from from protests that have taken taken place over

3517
03:29:40,320 --> 03:29:45,640
Speaker 1: the course of the past few weeks. We're here to

3518
03:29:46,000 --> 03:29:49,320
Speaker 1: protest that has Baptist churches to the registered hate group

3519
03:29:49,360 --> 03:29:52,800
Speaker 1: here in Texas on spl center dot org. We protested

3520
03:29:52,879 --> 03:29:56,840
Speaker 1: them and harst for non months. We found them here

3521
03:29:56,959 --> 03:29:59,840
Speaker 1: and so we are back every Wednesday and every Sunday.

3522
03:30:00,720 --> 03:30:04,279
Speaker 1: I am a mom of a kid from the LGBTQ community,

3523
03:30:04,440 --> 03:30:06,560
Speaker 1: and I am not going to stand for you wishing

3524
03:30:06,680 --> 03:30:09,440
Speaker 1: death upon my kid just because of who he is

3525
03:30:09,480 --> 03:30:14,200
Speaker 1: and who knows. It's extremely exhausting, um, but at the

3526
03:30:14,280 --> 03:30:18,320
Speaker 1: same time, it's very reassuring because we get nothing but

3527
03:30:18,560 --> 03:30:20,600
Speaker 1: support from the people on the street to drive by

3528
03:30:20,680 --> 03:30:23,840
Speaker 1: and give us plenty of hans and wives and it's

3529
03:30:23,879 --> 03:30:25,840
Speaker 1: just so much love and support from the people that

3530
03:30:25,920 --> 03:30:28,320
Speaker 1: live in the community here as well as first that's

3531
03:30:28,360 --> 03:30:31,080
Speaker 1: my city, so it's very personal. And I've noticed that

3532
03:30:31,200 --> 03:30:33,400
Speaker 1: we've gotten a lot of new people come out here

3533
03:30:33,800 --> 03:30:36,000
Speaker 1: because this is their sit and it's personal for death.

3534
03:30:36,600 --> 03:30:39,480
Speaker 1: So that's that's pretty good to hear that there's actually

3535
03:30:39,520 --> 03:30:42,880
Speaker 1: people standing up to to say, hey, these guys suck.

3536
03:30:42,959 --> 03:30:46,760
Speaker 1: In person. Uh, there probably should be more people going

3537
03:30:46,840 --> 03:30:50,240
Speaker 1: in person because once you like, the church is obviously

3538
03:30:50,320 --> 03:30:53,480
Speaker 1: facing a lot of a lot of confrontations like online

3539
03:30:53,520 --> 03:30:55,560
Speaker 1: and stuff. Right, they're facing a lot of online pushback,

3540
03:30:55,959 --> 03:30:57,640
Speaker 1: but once you bring it into the real world, it

3541
03:30:57,720 --> 03:31:01,560
Speaker 1: definitely it's a only different thing in terms of how

3542
03:31:02,200 --> 03:31:04,200
Speaker 1: how they're being viewed. I mean in some ways, you know,

3543
03:31:04,320 --> 03:31:07,760
Speaker 1: they enjoy being persecuted, right, they enjoy the notion of

3544
03:31:07,840 --> 03:31:10,880
Speaker 1: Christian persecution. But also it's great to have, you know,

3545
03:31:10,959 --> 03:31:14,840
Speaker 1: people waving Pride flags outside their little church every Sunday. Um.

3546
03:31:16,240 --> 03:31:20,080
Speaker 1: The church still has an active Instagram page um, and

3547
03:31:20,160 --> 03:31:22,680
Speaker 1: still has a Twitter account, but their actual tweets do

3548
03:31:22,879 --> 03:31:26,480
Speaker 1: keep getting taken down for hate speech. UM. A week ago,

3549
03:31:26,800 --> 03:31:32,760
Speaker 1: YouTube striked Steadfast's main channel where they post videos and sermons.

3550
03:31:33,600 --> 03:31:36,480
Speaker 1: As they weren't able to use their main channel on Facebook,

3551
03:31:36,520 --> 03:31:38,879
Speaker 1: they began promoting their second YouTube channel as a platform

3552
03:31:38,959 --> 03:31:42,360
Speaker 1: to stream their murderous anti gay hate sermons during Pride Month,

3553
03:31:42,879 --> 03:31:45,200
Speaker 1: and a few days after I posted about that on Twitter,

3554
03:31:45,560 --> 03:31:49,160
Speaker 1: their secondary YouTube got completely banned, and then after a

3555
03:31:49,240 --> 03:31:53,040
Speaker 1: few days their Facebook page was also taken down. So

3556
03:31:53,360 --> 03:31:55,320
Speaker 1: they are they do have, They do have a shrinking

3557
03:31:55,360 --> 03:31:59,400
Speaker 1: online presence. There's this other clip from the Sodomite Deception

3558
03:31:59,440 --> 03:32:01,760
Speaker 1: trailer that I think really gives you a peek into

3559
03:32:01,840 --> 03:32:04,360
Speaker 1: the minds of these folks who are pushing this sort

3560
03:32:04,400 --> 03:32:06,640
Speaker 1: of stuff. Um. And you can even see this the

3561
03:32:06,680 --> 03:32:10,400
Speaker 1: same sentiment, uh in the rise of white nationalism and

3562
03:32:10,480 --> 03:32:14,000
Speaker 1: West premacy, this past a decade. And my question is

3563
03:32:14,320 --> 03:32:16,720
Speaker 1: why are we embracing all this change as person to

3564
03:32:16,840 --> 03:32:20,119
Speaker 1: the Bible change. The Bible radically changed ten years ago,

3565
03:32:21,000 --> 03:32:24,560
Speaker 1: my King James. Bible hasn't changed the work since it

3566
03:32:24,680 --> 03:32:28,560
Speaker 1: was translated in sixteen eleven period, So why in the

3567
03:32:28,680 --> 03:32:33,680
Speaker 1: world is everything changing. It's not from God, that's for sure.

3568
03:32:34,080 --> 03:32:37,320
Speaker 1: You know what's coming from the working of Satan. He's

3569
03:32:37,360 --> 03:32:41,560
Speaker 1: deceiving people thinking all all this normal now. So our

3570
03:32:41,680 --> 03:32:44,760
Speaker 1: our challenge, as people who are you know, anti fascists,

3571
03:32:44,920 --> 03:32:48,800
Speaker 1: people who stand against you know, our anti racist, pushback

3572
03:32:48,840 --> 03:32:53,400
Speaker 1: against this type of anti queer um organizing, our Our

3573
03:32:53,400 --> 03:32:55,760
Speaker 1: our challenge is to keep the change coming and to

3574
03:32:56,360 --> 03:32:58,840
Speaker 1: push back against these freaks trying to hold onto the

3575
03:32:58,879 --> 03:33:02,720
Speaker 1: twentieth century right. The fear of change and the fear

3576
03:33:02,760 --> 03:33:06,360
Speaker 1: of the future is driving their you know, desire to

3577
03:33:06,440 --> 03:33:09,640
Speaker 1: return to the past. The train of like social progress

3578
03:33:09,959 --> 03:33:12,480
Speaker 1: was moving forward over the course of the past twenty years,

3579
03:33:12,640 --> 03:33:15,600
Speaker 1: and they're scared and they're trying to stop it and

3580
03:33:15,720 --> 03:33:20,280
Speaker 1: move it backwards. And it's up to us to make

3581
03:33:20,360 --> 03:33:24,000
Speaker 1: that as hard as possible. Um. But yeah, that is

3582
03:33:24,160 --> 03:33:28,040
Speaker 1: that is my that is my stuff on on Staidfast church.

3583
03:33:28,840 --> 03:33:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm now going to open up, open up the floor

3584
03:33:31,160 --> 03:33:34,840
Speaker 1: to anyone. Robert Chris, what do you guys think of

3585
03:33:35,040 --> 03:33:37,280
Speaker 1: all of the stuff we just heard about the past

3586
03:33:37,360 --> 03:33:42,200
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. One of the keys is you want to

3587
03:33:42,400 --> 03:33:45,160
Speaker 1: use tape that has a good level of adhesion but

3588
03:33:45,280 --> 03:33:49,160
Speaker 1: isn't going to actually damage your skin. Really, Yeah, like

3589
03:33:49,240 --> 03:33:50,840
Speaker 1: scott tape. What are we what are we doing here?

3590
03:33:51,040 --> 03:33:53,480
Speaker 1: Scotch tape will do, okay, you really want to avoid

3591
03:33:53,600 --> 03:33:56,000
Speaker 1: duct tape, but something like painters tape generally isn't going

3592
03:33:56,040 --> 03:33:58,600
Speaker 1: to have the adhesion that you need. Um, it's gonna

3593
03:33:58,600 --> 03:34:01,080
Speaker 1: be a little bit unpleasant any time you're taking tape

3594
03:34:01,160 --> 03:34:03,360
Speaker 1: off of and I do recommend actually putting it like

3595
03:34:03,440 --> 03:34:06,039
Speaker 1: more in the taint area or the inner thigh. You're

3596
03:34:06,040 --> 03:34:08,600
Speaker 1: gonna have a better better experience. You might want to

3597
03:34:08,680 --> 03:34:11,240
Speaker 1: shave that inner thigh if you're not somebody who does normally,

3598
03:34:11,320 --> 03:34:12,920
Speaker 1: just so that you have a better time getting your

3599
03:34:13,000 --> 03:34:16,560
Speaker 1: drugs free. But you know, crotch it. That's always been

3600
03:34:16,600 --> 03:34:22,080
Speaker 1: my motto. Just crotch it again. Great, great, great, great

3601
03:34:22,160 --> 03:34:25,680
Speaker 1: Texas insight coming coming out of Robert Evans here. No,

3602
03:34:25,840 --> 03:34:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like, okay, so seriously, the fact that there's

3603
03:34:28,760 --> 03:34:31,680
Speaker 1: been resistance to these folks in the street. Um, and

3604
03:34:31,760 --> 03:34:35,400
Speaker 1: that it's been significant that they've like not just people

3605
03:34:35,480 --> 03:34:37,480
Speaker 1: showing up to yell at them and approach them in

3606
03:34:37,520 --> 03:34:40,160
Speaker 1: the moment, but people you know, working to get them

3607
03:34:40,240 --> 03:34:45,080
Speaker 1: kicked out of their locations and stuff. Um. That's really good. Um.

3608
03:34:45,440 --> 03:34:48,760
Speaker 1: And that's that's honestly more the Texas that I have

3609
03:34:49,000 --> 03:34:51,040
Speaker 1: known than or at least it's as much of the

3610
03:34:51,120 --> 03:34:53,600
Speaker 1: Texas that I've known as like the shitty things that

3611
03:34:53,800 --> 03:34:56,920
Speaker 1: this says about Texas. Um. First protest I ever went

3612
03:34:57,040 --> 03:34:59,840
Speaker 1: to was against a church like this who you've probably

3613
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:02,600
Speaker 1: out of, the Westboro Baptist Church when they showed up

3614
03:35:02,600 --> 03:35:10,680
Speaker 1: to protest at the Holocaust Museum. Uh. Um. And it

3615
03:35:10,800 --> 03:35:13,080
Speaker 1: was like like a whole hundreds of people showed up

3616
03:35:13,080 --> 03:35:15,520
Speaker 1: to like and there were like six of those fuckers. UM.

3617
03:35:16,480 --> 03:35:21,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, the problem with Texas has never been that, Um,

3618
03:35:22,080 --> 03:35:24,320
Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of awesome people in Texas. It's

3619
03:35:24,400 --> 03:35:28,400
Speaker 1: that folks like this, these who really want to use

3620
03:35:28,520 --> 03:35:31,080
Speaker 1: the mechanisms of the state to carry out a genocide,

3621
03:35:31,400 --> 03:35:35,760
Speaker 1: have a lot of friends in high places. And many

3622
03:35:35,840 --> 03:35:39,760
Speaker 1: of those folks spent decades ensharing that it's basically impossible

3623
03:35:39,840 --> 03:35:43,960
Speaker 1: for anybody else to win election outside of like you know,

3624
03:35:44,240 --> 03:35:47,199
Speaker 1: local elections and cities and stuff, which often city governments

3625
03:35:47,240 --> 03:35:48,680
Speaker 1: in Texas. Again, if you look at a lot of

3626
03:35:48,720 --> 03:35:52,880
Speaker 1: the the reaction to Abbot's anti trans bills and where

3627
03:35:52,920 --> 03:35:56,480
Speaker 1: will be sort of the the actual resistance is Texas

3628
03:35:56,560 --> 03:36:00,080
Speaker 1: is anti gay legislation gets more extreme um is in

3629
03:36:00,280 --> 03:36:03,520
Speaker 1: cities like Dallas and Austin and Houston. And it is

3630
03:36:03,640 --> 03:36:07,280
Speaker 1: like local laws and local local elected leaders as well

3631
03:36:07,320 --> 03:36:11,680
Speaker 1: as local activists who represent an awful lot of Texas

3632
03:36:11,879 --> 03:36:15,240
Speaker 1: but and you know, don't have any real power in

3633
03:36:15,320 --> 03:36:17,760
Speaker 1: the levers of the state. But do you tend to

3634
03:36:18,040 --> 03:36:20,160
Speaker 1: stand up and in a lot of cases like people

3635
03:36:20,200 --> 03:36:25,520
Speaker 1: did for some of these these events in Dallas recently

3636
03:36:25,600 --> 03:36:28,880
Speaker 1: put their bodies, you know, in between fascists and the

3637
03:36:28,920 --> 03:36:31,440
Speaker 1: people they're threatening. And I mean the new I f B.

3638
03:36:31,600 --> 03:36:35,160
Speaker 1: Churches are definitely probably a more extreme, more explicit than

3639
03:36:35,640 --> 03:36:38,440
Speaker 1: most of your average Christian churches. But it is not

3640
03:36:38,760 --> 03:36:42,880
Speaker 1: uncommon to preach this general strain of homophobia. Maybe it

3641
03:36:42,959 --> 03:36:45,320
Speaker 1: turned down like one notch of the dial from the

3642
03:36:45,400 --> 03:36:51,360
Speaker 1: pulpit in the majority of of of churches, specifically in

3643
03:36:51,440 --> 03:36:56,800
Speaker 1: the South. Um, yeah, you don't. We should be lighting

3644
03:36:56,800 --> 03:36:58,920
Speaker 1: these people against wall and killing them. But you say that,

3645
03:36:59,440 --> 03:37:01,840
Speaker 1: you know this is not biblical. You know we're supposed

3646
03:37:01,840 --> 03:37:05,400
Speaker 1: to live in a biblical society. And you say everything,

3647
03:37:05,520 --> 03:37:09,560
Speaker 1: but that last like ten or Fife. It's the it is.

3648
03:37:10,080 --> 03:37:16,119
Speaker 1: It is not like this strain of homophobia is has

3649
03:37:16,240 --> 03:37:21,360
Speaker 1: been there this this entire time. Um, And people of

3650
03:37:21,879 --> 03:37:24,000
Speaker 1: I feel like they have permission to say things now

3651
03:37:24,080 --> 03:37:27,320
Speaker 1: that they honestly wouldn't probably wouldn't have said as explicitly

3652
03:37:27,440 --> 03:37:31,560
Speaker 1: like five years ago. Um. But there was there's always

3653
03:37:31,600 --> 03:37:33,920
Speaker 1: been people working to keep this thing within the culture.

3654
03:37:34,120 --> 03:37:37,560
Speaker 1: As as stuff was progressing socially, there was people working

3655
03:37:37,959 --> 03:37:40,920
Speaker 1: to keep this type of bigotry still alive in large

3656
03:37:40,920 --> 03:37:43,840
Speaker 1: sectors of the American public. And a lot of those

3657
03:37:43,879 --> 03:37:46,360
Speaker 1: sectors are related to Evangelical Christianity, and a lot of

3658
03:37:46,600 --> 03:37:50,160
Speaker 1: those sectors are really related to the communities around church building.

3659
03:37:51,600 --> 03:37:54,960
Speaker 1: So that's like a big part and how Christian fascism

3660
03:37:55,000 --> 03:37:58,040
Speaker 1: has been so effective the past that you know, like

3661
03:37:58,120 --> 03:38:00,720
Speaker 1: that basically the past decades, starting starting with the Tea Party,

3662
03:38:01,480 --> 03:38:06,000
Speaker 1: is that they've had people with vested interests like keeping

3663
03:38:06,080 --> 03:38:09,879
Speaker 1: this stuff afloat I mean, uh, Lips of TikTok receives

3664
03:38:09,959 --> 03:38:12,640
Speaker 1: her funding from Seth Dillon, the guy who runs The

3665
03:38:12,680 --> 03:38:16,320
Speaker 1: Babylon B, which started as a Christian satire site. Um

3666
03:38:16,720 --> 03:38:19,800
Speaker 1: like now Elon Musk's favorite place on the Internet, which

3667
03:38:19,879 --> 03:38:22,480
Speaker 1: is wild, I mean, but but yeah, like like you know,

3668
03:38:22,560 --> 03:38:25,400
Speaker 1: like I I remember reading The Babylon B when I

3669
03:38:25,520 --> 03:38:27,440
Speaker 1: was like fucking twelve years old, when I was like

3670
03:38:27,600 --> 03:38:30,080
Speaker 1: a Christian kid like I. It was just like like

3671
03:38:30,720 --> 03:38:33,120
Speaker 1: it used to be just a small, niche Christian site

3672
03:38:33,560 --> 03:38:36,200
Speaker 1: and now it grew into this you know, big powerful

3673
03:38:36,240 --> 03:38:40,039
Speaker 1: force in a modern conservatism. It is directly funding Lips

3674
03:38:40,040 --> 03:38:42,040
Speaker 1: of TikTok, which is basically now just a gun that

3675
03:38:42,160 --> 03:38:45,800
Speaker 1: gets pointed at whatever you know, targeted event that that

3676
03:38:46,200 --> 03:38:49,440
Speaker 1: they want. So it's now it's like this completely like

3677
03:38:49,480 --> 03:38:52,680
Speaker 1: AstroTurf thing with all of this funding and people choosing

3678
03:38:52,720 --> 03:38:55,320
Speaker 1: what events to target. So like it all goes back

3679
03:38:55,400 --> 03:38:58,080
Speaker 1: to this, It all goes back to these types of

3680
03:38:58,200 --> 03:39:01,000
Speaker 1: churches and this type of this type of rhetoric coming

3681
03:39:01,040 --> 03:39:06,360
Speaker 1: out of you know, these few misinterpreted Biblical passages. It

3682
03:39:06,560 --> 03:39:10,240
Speaker 1: is weird, how Like I mean, when I was you know,

3683
03:39:10,720 --> 03:39:15,560
Speaker 1: a teenager, when you talked about like Christian entertainment, Christian comedy,

3684
03:39:15,800 --> 03:39:19,800
Speaker 1: Christian music, Christian media. You meant, like the most boring

3685
03:39:20,000 --> 03:39:23,160
Speaker 1: milk toast ship and the planet. Like not that there

3686
03:39:23,280 --> 03:39:26,520
Speaker 1: wasn't toxic and hateful ship within being preached in churches,

3687
03:39:26,600 --> 03:39:30,080
Speaker 1: but like Christian media was, like it was pretty hard

3688
03:39:30,160 --> 03:39:33,480
Speaker 1: to be offended and most of it. And now when

3689
03:39:33,560 --> 03:39:35,520
Speaker 1: you say that, like you immediately go to like, oh, yeah,

3690
03:39:35,520 --> 03:39:39,720
Speaker 1: somebody's trying to get gay people murdered. Um, Yeah, it's

3691
03:39:39,760 --> 03:39:43,080
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah, there's been a large increase in the

3692
03:39:43,200 --> 03:39:47,400
Speaker 1: militancy of Christian propaganda and posing you know, stuff that

3693
03:39:47,480 --> 03:39:49,600
Speaker 1: used to be just very like very boring milk like

3694
03:39:49,720 --> 03:39:54,000
Speaker 1: milk toast and like still very like you know, patriarchal, heteronormative,

3695
03:39:54,520 --> 03:40:00,240
Speaker 1: you know, probably low key white supremacist um is not. Yeah,

3696
03:40:00,320 --> 03:40:03,240
Speaker 1: now lots of the propaganda is way more focused in

3697
03:40:03,680 --> 03:40:07,520
Speaker 1: this type of militant Christianity UM and focused on you know,

3698
03:40:07,920 --> 03:40:10,080
Speaker 1: all all of like the end times. Stuff's gotten so

3699
03:40:10,200 --> 03:40:14,440
Speaker 1: much more more of a thing um and just how

3700
03:40:14,520 --> 03:40:21,520
Speaker 1: it relates to like physical violence against currently living people anyway. Yeah,

3701
03:40:22,040 --> 03:40:25,720
Speaker 1: that's the that's the Steadfast Baptist Church and the Sodomite

3702
03:40:25,800 --> 03:40:30,320
Speaker 1: deception Um brought to you by people out of Dallas.

3703
03:40:30,520 --> 03:40:32,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, those are my Those are my two episodes.

3704
03:40:32,800 --> 03:40:36,039
Speaker 1: I mean we started first episode this week was part one.

3705
03:40:36,160 --> 03:40:39,160
Speaker 1: Last episode this week is part two, so they're spread out,

3706
03:40:39,280 --> 03:40:43,360
Speaker 1: but those are those are my two two episodes on

3707
03:40:43,879 --> 03:40:47,440
Speaker 1: the City of the Homophobia and Christian Fascism inside the

3708
03:40:47,520 --> 03:40:50,640
Speaker 1: City of Hate. Look, if you want to help out,

3709
03:40:51,280 --> 03:40:55,320
Speaker 1: find the addresses of one of these churches. Now, the

3710
03:40:55,440 --> 03:40:57,440
Speaker 1: next thing you're gonna do is you're going to find

3711
03:40:57,480 --> 03:41:00,680
Speaker 1: a good Torrent client and you're gonna download a DVD

3712
03:41:00,840 --> 03:41:03,080
Speaker 1: rip of Morbius. There's a lot of them out there.

3713
03:41:03,440 --> 03:41:05,600
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna burn that. You may need to buy

3714
03:41:05,680 --> 03:41:07,360
Speaker 1: a burner. It's a lot of people aren't going to

3715
03:41:07,440 --> 03:41:10,120
Speaker 1: have this equipment. But you're gonna burn that onto a DVD.

3716
03:41:10,560 --> 03:41:12,160
Speaker 1: You can also put it on a flash drive if

3717
03:41:12,160 --> 03:41:14,600
Speaker 1: you really wanted. And then you're just gonna start mailing

3718
03:41:14,680 --> 03:41:17,520
Speaker 1: those in mass to the church. If we get them

3719
03:41:17,680 --> 03:41:20,240
Speaker 1: enough copies of Morbius, I think we might be able

3720
03:41:20,280 --> 03:41:23,160
Speaker 1: to turn them around. Hey, we'll be back Monday with

3721
03:41:23,440 --> 03:41:26,240
Speaker 1: more episodes every week from now until the heat death

3722
03:41:26,280 --> 03:41:28,840
Speaker 1: of the Universe. It could happen here is a production

3723
03:41:28,879 --> 03:41:31,879
Speaker 1: of cool zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

3724
03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:34,480
Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check

3725
03:41:34,560 --> 03:41:36,800
Speaker 1: us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

3726
03:41:36,920 --> 03:41:39,560
Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can find sources

3727
03:41:39,600 --> 03:41:42,160
Speaker 1: for It could happen here, updated monthly at cool zone

3728
03:41:42,200 --> 03:41:44,920
Speaker 1: media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.