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Speaker 2: NFL stuff to talk about. So we got into this

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Speaker 2: discussion on the show today and I said you know, obviously,

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Speaker 2: really fast. And you can't touch quarterbacks. You already can't

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Speaker 2: He's not that kind of prospect. And he's not Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Do scouts think like that? Yeah? I mean these conversations

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Speaker 1: What the hell's the difference of Shador Sanders. I know,

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Speaker 2: You know, I've said Kyle McCord at Syracuse. I take

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Speaker 2: Trayvon Henderson from Ohio State. Yeah, with molite neighbors. I

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Speaker 1: Well, I think if you look at the Giants, if

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Speaker 1: Shador Sanders does not help him at all in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. So he can take two quarterbacks, let the

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Speaker 1: He would go all in on Travis Hunter. He would

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Speaker 1: I heard last year is like Marvin Harrison's floor is

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys. You know, it's like, well, how

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Speaker 1: you'd rather have a tackle. So there's just a lot

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Speaker 1: scouting community is just there's like, yeah, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: I mean in your years of being a scout, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you have your top one hundred and fifty players, like

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Speaker 2: and you also have the red players that you won't

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Speaker 2: there any dramatic moves with two to three weeks to

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Speaker 2: go in the draft process when in your experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say you know the information most of

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Speaker 1: the gms and coaches are flying home, if not last

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Speaker 2: I wanted to so the you know the overs and

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Speaker 2: first under is the Chiefs at eleven and a half. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I don't think I would take the under. Now, maybe

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Speaker 1: Do you say ten and a half? On that number, it's.

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Speaker 1: Under got you. They've won over twelve games. I think

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals are just a tough game every time you

428
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Speaker 1: play them. Obviously, the Rams are good in Seattle going

429
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: through a little bit of a transitional period, but they're

430
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Speaker 1: head coach. I think they're pretty well run operation.

431
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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, they're one of my unders too at ten

432
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 2: and a half. Yeah, they tried to get green Law

433
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: back from Denver. They did not want to lose Hufunga. Okay,

434
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 2: those were two big defensive losses. And let's be honest, John,

435
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: the Bosas get hurt when Bosa was off the field.

436
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 2: Last year. They were not a very good defense. They

437
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: were really inconsistent. So now Whufungus gone, green Law's gone,

438
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: Bosa will miss a stretch and it's not a great draft.

439
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 2: So I don't think there's an impact player defensively. Maybe

440
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 2: if they got like Will Johnson at corner from Michigan,

441
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 2: I think that would be a really really you'd have

442
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,080
Speaker 2: to be happy with that. But yeah, I think I

443
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: have San Francisco as an under. So I have Kansas City,

444
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: you have San Francisco, I have San Francisco. Give me

445
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 2: another under.

446
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 1: I would say, I think there's a chance Miami is

447
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: like the one of the worst teams in the NFL. Like,

448
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: it would not shock me if you tell me. As

449
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: you and I are sitting here doing a pre draft.

450
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks. Miami's in the mix. Maybe they

451
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 1: don't have the number one overall pick, but I could

452
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: see him being like the giants of the Patriots draft

453
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 1: in three or four. It would not shock me to

454
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 1: see them struggle to win four or five games. I

455
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 1: think they're going to be terrible. I thought that last year,

456
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: and they just obviously when two was on the field,

457
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: they're more functional. It would not surprise me at all

458
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: if this Tyreek situation doesn't go away and he ends

459
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Speaker 1: up playing for another team this year. I don't know

460
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Speaker 1: if that trade would happen during the draft. I know

461
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: they've pushed back against that, maybe at the end of

462
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Speaker 1: training camp. But I just expect Miami to implode. I

463
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Speaker 1: really do. I mean, I don't really like the Jets

464
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: that much either, but like even last year, the Jets

465
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: do have a lot of good Oh absolutely, I just

466
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: don't think Miami has that many good players, and they

467
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: are one concussion away from all of a sudden, Zach

468
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: Wilson's are starting quarterback.

469
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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, I'll give you an over. I think Brian

470
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: Callahan's a good coach. I think Will Levis is a

471
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: really really bad NFL quarterback. I don't think he was

472
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Speaker 2: a great college quarterback. And so I look at the

473
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Speaker 2: over under on Tennessee and you know it's five and

474
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 2: a half. Some have had it at six and a half.

475
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 2: I think they clear that bar easily. First of all,

476
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: cam Ward's a playmaker, and nobody's got real film on him.

477
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: He didn't do a lot of straight pocket stuff in college.

478
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: It was a lot of backyard stuff. And I think

479
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 2: the league will take a while. And they did this

480
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: with Jayden Daniels. It took a while to decode him.

481
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 2: People were bo Nicks. You'd not quite sure what he is.

482
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: It's a weak division. The Jags could be bad, the

483
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: Colts would be bad. Houston should be pretty good, but

484
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: not great. I think I'm gonna take the Titans over.

485
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty week schedule. I think cam

486
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: Ward is one of the only players in the draft

487
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: that can equal wins. I think people think Callahan's a

488
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: pretty good coach. And Callahan didn't just lack trust in

489
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: will Levis. If you listened to his postgame comments after losses,

490
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: he lost them three games straight out, and you watched

491
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 2: his body language, he almost resented that will Levis was

492
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: getting in the way of wins, and so I Titans

493
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: to me earn over.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think people. You know, we talk a

495
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: lot about the Browns because of Watson, because Deshaun Watson's

496
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: quarterback play by the month and no one was watching

497
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: the Titans. Their quarterback play was like historically poor. I mean,

498
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: the turnovers, the sacks he was taking. It was. Their

499
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: defense was actually pretty good. Yes, And like any team

500
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: with a pretty good defense, when your offense is that

501
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: crappy by the time you get to like mid November,

502
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: they can't maintain that level of play because they're on

503
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: the field so much. So if their offense is just solid,

504
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I mean, he's got his dad there

505
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: coaching offensive line. Massive upgrade just based on talent alone.

506
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Speaker 1: I would say this, if you look at Vrabel, like

507
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: the linebacker version of Harbaugh, you know, wants to play defense,

508
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: wants to run the ball. Former players, just guys that

509
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: just win. I think the Patriots we're right up there

510
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: with the Bears as one of the worst coach teams

511
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: you will ever see. Last season. Why couldn't they go

512
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: nine to eight this year? So go the Jets. The

513
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: Jets are gonna be awful. I think the Dolphins are

514
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: gonna be worse. Yep, listen to the Bills. Who cares

515
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: that even if they sweep you. I could see the

516
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: Patriots winning eight or nine games.

517
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Speaker 2: Listen, they were seven and a half DraftKings. They are

518
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: now up to eight and a half. So the Sharks,

519
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: it looks like we're all over the Patriots. So New

520
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 2: England was one of my overs. And I said the

521
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: other day on the air, I said, I think Vrabel

522
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: from girod Mayo is worth three points. I think Drake

523
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: May is worth another point based on sophomore season. And

524
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: I think it's reasonable assume one hundred and ninety million

525
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 2: in free agency and eight to nine draft picks is

526
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: worth one and a half to two points. So if

527
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: they're just five and a half points to six points better.

528
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 2: And again you're talking about between the draft and free agency,

529
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: like eight to nine new starters and a couple of

530
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 2: high end starters. You're talking about Drake May potentially with

531
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: a Travis Hunter. You're talking about the worst coach team

532
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: to probably one of the seven to eight to nine

533
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: best coach teams. That's five and a half to six points.

534
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: They were three and six in one possession games with

535
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback. If that's just six and three, you

536
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: don't have to go nine to zero. This is an

537
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: eight to nine win team. And again the Jets are

538
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: a bit lost. I agree with you, Miami's a mess.

539
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: So I think New England's in play.

540
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: I would say the other team would be speaking of

541
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: Harbaugh the Chargers. You know, last year, I just didn't

542
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: pull the trigger and he did exactly what he yes did.

543
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: They were the five seed. Well this year it's nine

544
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: and a half, and everyone always gets off the scent

545
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: with them. During like free agency, Jim is not going

546
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: to trade for DK Metcalf and give one hundred and

547
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars. He didn't do it last year. He's

548
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: not gonna do it this year. He won't do it

549
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: next year. You know what he will do though, in

550
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: like the second round, all of a sudden, he will

551
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: draft his starting tight end for the next seven years

552
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: and in the third round find a defensive tackle that

553
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: everyone's going, this guy's not that sexy who will just

554
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 1: be a starter for him for a long time. Then

555
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: you watch the season and you just go, God, their

556
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: team is just physical and good. He has a really

557
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: talented quarterback. Why couldn't they win twelve games? I mean,

558
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: they're over under right now is nine and a half.

559
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: I think they are a lock. I mean, Jim Harbaugh

560
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: is now coach in the NFL five years and made

561
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: the playoffs and four of them. So I don't know

562
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: if they can overtake the Chiefs, but it wouldn't shock

563
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: me if it gets a little closer. And don't let

564
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: free agency fool you. He's never gonna play in swimming

565
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: that into the pool. They are never gonna do that.

566
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: But you know, you've talked about this huge advantage for Jim.

567
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: All these kids coming in the draft. He's recruited them all,

568
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: especially the good ones, so he's gonna know these guys.

569
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a huge point of difference for him.

570
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: I would expect them to have a good draft. His

571
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: GM I think is pretty good. I mean, look at

572
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: last year, It's like, how did they pass on Malak Davers?

573
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just got their starting tackle for

574
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: the next decade. So I think the Chargers they fooled

575
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: me is the wrong word. I just didn't have the

576
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: kahonas just because I was like, I don't know if

577
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: their roster is quite good enough, they are not gonna

578
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: have great ride receivers. He typically never does, and he

579
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: always wins. He won a national championship, he went to

580
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, like he's not exactly gonna have Jerry

581
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: Rice in his prime, and it's gonna work out just fine.

582
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of college football, so I mean, and the

583
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: draft is obviously a convergence of pro and college football.

584
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: I love this whole and luck GM of Stanford, and

585
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: like now college football has an NFL field where teams

586
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: are paying players and there's a general manager. You know.

587
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: I got into this conversation the other day with somebody about,

588
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, the NFL Draft and Dion Sanders, and Dion

589
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: looks like he is all in on Colorado, and he

590
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: looks like he is stepping back on you know, helicoptering

591
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: as a dad, which I understand on his sun should

592
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: or Sanders.

593
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: Are you surprised.

594
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: That Dion Sanders appears to be all in on college

595
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 2: football and all in in the most unlikely place that

596
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: Dion Sanders, a Christian man, would land Boulder, Colorado, which

597
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: is you can smell the cannabis from Denver. It is

598
00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: a quirky anti establishment. I mean, it's it's thank you

599
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: Gene Oregon, which I love, but it's I would have

600
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: never guessed that Dion Sanders would have picked Colorado, And

601
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: when he signed that extension, I thought, Jesus, he's really

602
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: all in on this thing. Are you surprised?

603
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: A little? And I always give a guy a lot

604
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: of credit. And I don't have Dion's financials in front

605
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: of me, but I think it's safe to say he

606
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: did not need to go into college football for money.

607
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: Like he was already pretty well off and done pretty

608
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: well financially and one thing wants his children leave right

609
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,719
Speaker 1: to go to the NFL. He easily could have been

610
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: like it's been a good run. Yeah, maybe I'll do

611
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: it for a cople more. Yes, this feels like Deon

612
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: Sanders more than likely is going to be coaching four

613
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: years to come, and eventually I expect him one day

614
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: to be in the SEC or some big program. Right.

615
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: John Lytz did the same thing. It's like John Lynch

616
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: really gonna be the GM nine years later. The guy's

617
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: all in. He's going through like transitional periods. He's like,

618
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: let's do it. It's like these guys love football. I

619
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: mean to not having been around coaches and these players

620
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: that get into coaching. You gotta be a football addict,

621
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: and I think people underestimate, especially Dion. I'll never forget.

622
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: I've told this story before. Bobby April, who is a

623
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: special teams coach in Atlanta. He's like, you know, everyone

624
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: got it wrong with Deon because at the time he's

625
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: in these music videos and the chains and kind of

626
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: just the way he carried himself. This guy sat in

627
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: the front of my meetings, no one practiced harder, and

628
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: like he was just a special guy to coach. He's

629
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: like I, no one I would rather coach than a

630
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: guy like Deon Sanders. And I think if you had

631
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: asked me at fifteen years old in the mid nineties

632
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: like Dion would have felt like a pain in the butt,

633
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: like a too. He was the opposite. I think as

634
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: a player, people loved coaching him. Here's the other thing

635
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: he's got going on now. His buddies are with him,

636
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: Warren Sapps's defensive line coach, Marshall Fawkes's running back coach.

637
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: I bet he's just pretty cool place to work. Plus,

638
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: here's the thing with Colorado, they kind of needed him

639
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: more than he needed them, and now they've paid him

640
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Like and the other thing with

641
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Speaker 1: the transfer portal. If you're willing to cut checks, I

642
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Speaker 1: think obviously you're going to have advantages at Texas or

643
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Speaker 1: Ohio State, but at Colorado in his the other thing,

644
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Speaker 1: look a look at his conference? Why why can't he compete?

645
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Speaker 1: You know, Oklahoma State's kind of falling apart, and t

646
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Speaker 1: Boone Pickens is no longer around. Why couldn't he make serious?

647
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: Arizona State was just in the playoffs. Yon's got to

648
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: be thinking, if we can recruit pretty well the next

649
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Speaker 1: couple of years, why couldn't we win ten eleven games

650
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Speaker 1: and win this conference to get a bid? And he's

651
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Speaker 1: not wrong. And then eventually, if Florida or one of

652
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Speaker 1: those schools calls, I think he would eventually take it.

653
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Speaker 1: But I don't think he's just leaving for a quote

654
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Speaker 1: unquote like lateral job anymore. It would have to be

655
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Speaker 1: a cream of the crop gig like he's they're paying

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Speaker 1: him what basically ten eleven twelve million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: for the next five years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I've got to be I've got to be

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Speaker 2: upfront here. I always thought Dion was a little inauthentic.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know he had a belief, you know,

661
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Speaker 2: religious conviction, but he was always a little showy for me.

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Speaker 2: The Tim McCarver baseball stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's what Bobby, That's what Bobby April used

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Speaker 1: to say. Don't let that fool you, because at his

665
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Speaker 1: core he loves When they were for his first year

666
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Speaker 1: during spring practice, they were tackling to the ground and

667
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Speaker 1: I went, you know where Deon gets mistaken by a

668
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Speaker 1: lot of people. This guy is an eighties nineties football guy.

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Speaker 1: This guy grew up around George Seaffert with those cowboy teams.

670
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Speaker 1: Even the Atlanta teams when he first got there weren't terrible.

671
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Speaker 1: Like this guy was used to a culture in football

672
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Speaker 1: that is not the culture now right. That's why when

673
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Speaker 1: that the story came out about Troy Taylor, who Andrew

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Speaker 1: luck has fired and Stanford fired, I was like, there's

675
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Speaker 1: not enough detail, like is this guy just an asshole

676
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: or is he is he legitimately crossing the line because

677
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: there football culture is not like a pretty place. You're

678
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: getting yelled at a lot a lot of swear worlds.

679
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Speaker 1: It's it's just an edgy environment offseason and in season,

680
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Speaker 1: and I think Deon's just Deon's very comfortable in football.

681
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: You know certain people you're comfortable behind the mike. Deon's

682
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: just comfortable around football players running football practice. Now he's

683
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Speaker 1: clearly you know. I was impressed Warren Sapp's hiring to

684
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Speaker 1: be the d line coach, and by the mid season

685
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: that I was gambling on Colorado a lot. I was like,

686
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Speaker 1: got their defensive line is really improved.

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694
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Speaker 2: right now is in an interesting place. Baseball's on fire.

695
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Speaker 2: I mean the torpedo bats, I mean there's just it's great.

696
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Speaker 2: And I mean women's basketball. Caitlin Clark is a real

697
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: she's a real sensation. I mean the Jimmy Butler moved

698
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 2: to the Warriors, and Luca Lebroun is absolutely infused the league,

699
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Speaker 2: there's no question. And the College Football Playoff. I told

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Speaker 2: J Mack and I talked about this last this week,

701
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Speaker 2: and I said, when I got into this business, like

702
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Speaker 2: when football ended, you had like a month of it

703
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Speaker 2: was dead. And I'm like, well, now football has been

704
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Speaker 2: extended two weeks and they're going to add an eighteenth

705
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Speaker 2: game and they're going to give us another buy so

706
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: that will extend it two more weeks. And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: football now is Labor Day to March. First, you get

708
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: a week on vacation, you come back, it's free agency

709
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Speaker 2: and the tournament. And I really like what college football

710
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: is doing. I'm not a traditionalist, and I do think

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Speaker 2: the NIL bringing in general managers now is necessary. I

712
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: don't want, you know, I don't want Lincoln Riley and

713
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: Ryan Day being capologists, Like let's get somebody in the

714
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Speaker 2: building that knows what the hell they're doing.

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Speaker 1: But I.

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Speaker 2: You know, the only fear I have about football this

717
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: is weird. But you know, remember a few years ago

718
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Speaker 2: in the NFL really made a point of targeting women

719
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Speaker 2: and moms because you were having in certain states the

720
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Speaker 2: turnout level dropped precipitously with concussion fears, And I was

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Speaker 2: thinking about this the other day, John, I don't remember

722
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Speaker 2: a draft with less hyperbole this. People are saying, this

723
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Speaker 2: is as bad a draft as we've had. Like outside

724
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Speaker 2: a running back and maybe defensive tackle, there's just not

725
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Speaker 2: a ton of talent. And I do wonder if this

726
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Speaker 2: is the first draft and this now the NBA two

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Speaker 2: out of three drafts don't give us much. I mean,

728
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Speaker 2: Cooper Flag is a domestic product. This good is so rare.

729
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Speaker 2: You can't even name the last domestic product that was

730
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Speaker 2: looked this good. Zion was fantastic, but he didn't have

731
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Speaker 2: the dimensions and the dexterity and the overall game of

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Speaker 2: Cooper Flag. He was he was a torque machine. He

733
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Speaker 2: wasn't this. He wasn't close to this. His game didn't

734
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Speaker 2: look like this. Is that in college football. I'm wondering

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Speaker 2: if about every third or fourth draft this point forward,

736
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Speaker 2: because turnout levels of drop, because there's a fear of

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Speaker 2: concussions with kids. I wonder if we're going to become

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Speaker 2: the NFL. It's got a little NBA feel to it.

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Speaker 2: Last year, John, you had ten virtually unwatchable teams double

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Speaker 2: the number of teams that were non competitive by early December.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's possible with lower turnouts and that

742
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Speaker 2: the game will start to be a little more NBA,

743
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Speaker 2: which there is eight great, eight okay, and twelve unwatchables.

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Speaker 1: I do think the NFL drafts have always been like

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Speaker 1: you have some bad drafts, they don't happen as frequently,

746
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Speaker 1: I would say, as the NBA. But last year looks

747
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Speaker 1: like it has a chance to be like a historically

748
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Speaker 1: great quarterback drafts. This is pretty crazy. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: they had twelve guys in the top or six guys

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Speaker 1: in the top twelve, but three of them are already

751
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Speaker 1: pretty good. I would say that one concerning part in

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Speaker 1: football is Brady's big thing. It's never been easier to

753
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Speaker 1: play quarterback. And he's not wrong because you don't get

754
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: penalized throwing over the middle. They can't hit you. But

755
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: the quarterback play can be pretty bad. I mean, I

756
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Speaker 1: feel like guys like fifteen through thirty two are really

757
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: hit or miss and their backups. It's just it's and

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of this is the training in

759
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Speaker 1: college now with guys transferring the training in the pros,

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Speaker 1: you don't have as much I mean training camp, I feel,

761
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Speaker 1: and again, the salary cap has changed things. But I

762
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Speaker 1: remember growing up, a lot of teams went too deep

763
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Speaker 1: with starters. Yes right, their backup was like the burg

764
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Speaker 1: or whoever, and it was like that guy could be

765
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Speaker 1: a starter somewhere else. And that really isn't the case anymore.

766
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Speaker 1: It feels like a lot of teams like if their

767
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Speaker 1: starter gets hurt, they will lose every single week. And

768
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Speaker 1: so I think the importance on the quarterback is awesome

769
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Speaker 1: when it works, when you nail it, but if you

770
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Speaker 1: miss or that guy gets injured, the falloff is precipitous

771
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Speaker 1: and it's a problem. But I do think that if

772
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Speaker 1: you just look over the next couple of years, I

773
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Speaker 1: think the talent in college football feels pretty high now.

774
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Speaker 1: The difference, though, is, you know, I if I was

775
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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman and I went to Iowa or Wisconsin

776
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Speaker 1: or just some of these schools, like I was going

777
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Speaker 1: to get developed, and more likely I was going to

778
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Speaker 1: get drafted if I was a good player. Even if

779
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Speaker 1: I wasn't a first round pick, second third, fourth round,

780
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Speaker 1: I'd play in the NFL A long time. Well, now

781
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Speaker 1: if I'm starting in Iowa and like, god, this guy's

782
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Speaker 1: an all conference guy, Ohio State, Georgia and Texas call

783
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Speaker 1: you so you start moving around in your development, maybe

784
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Speaker 1: pain scheme. Good point, and I do wonder in football?

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Speaker 1: Good point, you know in the NFL. Like part of

786
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Speaker 1: the reason I saw Kyle Shanahan, He's like, I didn't

787
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Speaker 1: expect our backup tackle to get fifteen million dollars a year. Well,

788
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Speaker 1: I was texting with Andy. They love the guy because

789
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Speaker 1: they think, you know, the only reason he didn't start

790
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Speaker 1: is because what Hall of Fame tackle and that guy

791
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Speaker 1: has played before. They like what they saw and they

792
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Speaker 1: know he's a good guy, and they know he's been

793
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Speaker 1: coach well, same place, same coaching staff for four years,

794
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Speaker 1: so that that guy, you don't last that long. They

795
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Speaker 1: depend on you to basically be their swing tackle for

796
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Speaker 1: four straight years. If they don't think really highly of you, now,

797
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Speaker 1: do they overpay a little bit? We can debate that.

798
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Speaker 1: But they know exactly who's been coaching him in college.

799
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Speaker 1: It's like, well, he's been two different programs and three

800
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Speaker 1: different coordinators. It's a lot of movement now changing stuff,

801
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: which I think these the front offices are still trying

802
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: to get a feel for this, Yes, because it's it's

803
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: never quite been with quarterbacks. Is a little easier with

804
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Speaker 1: some of these other positions. Is their development? Do they

805
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Speaker 1: actually have room to grow in the pros? You know

806
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: that maybe they would have been maxed out before. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean take Will Howard. I liked him at Kansas

808
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: State and then at Ohio State. Did my perception change

809
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Speaker 2: and my expectations because I didn't like him as much

810
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Speaker 2: because I was like, well, they got better talent. You

811
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Speaker 2: have to be consistently good. Kyle McCord. At Ohio State,

812
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Speaker 2: I was like Ham and Eggar. Then I watched them

813
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Speaker 2: at Syracuse and I'm like, shit, that's a second round pick.

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Speaker 1: That guy's good.

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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if scout you're doing that like just

816
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: Ohio State quarterbacks. I'm like Will Howard, I wanted more.

817
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Speaker 2: I saw him at Kansas State. I wanted more. I'm

818
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Speaker 2: disappointed he may not have changed at all. Kyle McCord.

819
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Speaker 2: I'm now on a high because I think he played

820
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Speaker 2: with far less talent and he put up huge numbers.

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Speaker 1: Well, we talked about Purty. Perty's a good example. After

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Speaker 1: his junior year at Iowa State when he was really

823
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Speaker 1: good and they were competing to be like a top

824
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Speaker 1: fifteen team. You don't think teams, I mean, Oregon's done

825
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Speaker 1: this now like three years in a row. They you know,

826
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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel, bo Nicks. Teams like that would have called

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Speaker 1: Brock perty and who knows, maybe Brock Purty then goes

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Speaker 1: to Oregon. He's playing on national television games and if

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Speaker 1: he's good, instead of going the last pick in the

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Speaker 1: seventh round, maybe Purdy goes in the fourth or the

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Speaker 1: third round. Yeah. So look at these transfer quarterbacks besides

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. Last year, all transfer guys Drake may didn't.

833
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Speaker 1: But remember mac Brown came out going into his junior year,

834
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Speaker 1: was like he's offered five million dollars. Luckily he's loyal

835
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Speaker 1: to us, and it was pretty clear like the three

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Speaker 1: teams offering him that much money. This year, all the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are transferred. Cam Ward, this is third school Chador,

838
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Speaker 1: Kyle McCord. You know, it's like camp Ward is a

839
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Speaker 1: great example. He was going to the East West Shrine

840
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Speaker 1: game when he decided to commit to Miami. He probably

841
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Speaker 1: would have gone probably third or fourth round last year.

842
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Speaker 1: Now he's he's been I mean the Titans from what

843
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 1: I've heard, I was in Nashville month ago, pretty good source.

844
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Speaker 1: They've been dead set on him for like a month.

845
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Speaker 1: This guy's going the number one pick all because he transferred.

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Speaker 1: If I were these quarterbacks, it's a no brainer. If

847
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Speaker 1: you get the opportunity to jump up to a top

848
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Speaker 1: twenty team, and even if you're it is not just

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Speaker 1: Washington State. What if you're at like Minnesota or some

850
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: of these programs, and you can just take that next step.

851
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Speaker 1: So that's where in the conference the top dogs can

852
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: just they're just feeder systems. All these programs beside the

853
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: top fifteen twenty programs are essentially now the Billy ban

854
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: Oakland A's They're a minor league program that I'm eventually

855
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: going to take your your best players.

856
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the the NIL. One of the things I love

857
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: about sports is innovation because it makes me think, you know,

858
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: I get bored of just watching game after game after game,

859
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 2: Like I like trades, I like acquisitions, I love free

860
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: agency period and the NIL. It can be tricky because

861
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 2: there's so much mobility and movement among coaches and players.

862
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: Like in the NFL, the pension is so good for

863
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: a coach. I mean, Dante Scarnekia could have bounced around

864
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: and made more money. He's like, I'm going to stay here.

865
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: Pension's going to be great. I'm going to make twenty

866
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a month pension once I leave this sport.

867
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: Why bounce around, Ernie Adams? Why bounce around? But in

868
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: college you don't get that pension. So coaches are just

869
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: constantly hopscotching, programmed to program to prom and they all

870
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: seemingly all want to be either coordinators or head coaches.

871
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: And in the NFL, I find there are some position

872
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 2: coaches that make like between eight hundred thousand and a

873
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: million forward.

874
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: It's like pays a lot.

875
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: And the pensions herm Edwers told me is coaching pensions

876
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: are better than his player pensions. And so there's so

877
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: much more ability at the college level for coaches. And

878
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: now the players are moving, so the chances, I mean

879
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: bo Knicks didn't have like five coordinators.

880
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah a lot. I actually met a guy that through

881
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: the podcast in Arizona that I played golf with. His

882
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: son was a big Division I football recruit over the

883
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: last couple of years, and he was one of those

884
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: guys that showed up at school early, you know, like

885
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: right after the winner, you know, went the start of

886
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: the technically the winter semester. Within two days of him

887
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: enrolling early, his coach takes another job, and forever the

888
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: media used to freak how unfair it is, how un

889
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: fair it is that kid immediately had the opportunity to

890
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: follow his coach or to go ten other places that

891
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: had been recruiting him. His phone was blowing up. Now

892
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: he chose to stay because he said it was a

893
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: lot going on for an eighteen year old. But like

894
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 1: that opportunity that you can move when stuff like that

895
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: happens to me has like neutralized the anger or you know,

896
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: the Maryland coach. Everyone's up in arms. It's like, guys,

897
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: the players can all leave now too, So it's like

898
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: everyone is under the same umbrella of And the difference

899
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: is if I steal a coach, typically I have to

900
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: pay a buyout. These the players can just leave it

901
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: free will. But it's like, I mean, who knows some

902
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: of these deals that are getting done. So I'm with you.

903
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: I think the nil which is kind of stupid. I

904
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: heard deonce say this, He's like, how many besides like

905
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 1: Shador Sanders. I turn on television, I don't see anyone

906
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: in commercials. It's just pay to play, which is fine,

907
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: which is eventually going to change and go to the

908
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: revenue sharing be a salary cap. And that's where to me,

909
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: the general managers, you know, the Lombardes and the Jim

910
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: Naggies and these guys, the GM jobs in college football

911
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: are paying. It's not like they're paying one hundred thousand.

912
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: Some of them are paying seven figures. These guys are

913
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: making or even if you're making seven hundred and fifty

914
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: eight hundred thousand dollars, if you're at an SEC school,

915
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: google how much the homes are in those areas you

916
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: are you're one of the highest paid W two employees

917
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: in the area.

918
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, there's I look at football today and

919
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: for the first time in my life, I feel that

920
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: college football has been pushed and prodded, but it is

921
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 2: starting to now look closer to the NFL. And to me,

922
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: that is a great thing because I've always said there's

923
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: one big problem with college football. We have a big

924
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: game problem. I mean, Labor Day weekend, you get one

925
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: or two big games NFL every one o'clock window. That's

926
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: the boring window. The best games are Sunday night Fox

927
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 2: and CBS late afternoon and Monday night and Thursday night

928
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: now Amazon biyas big games. The one o'clock window has

929
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: at least two big time games every week. I mean,

930
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: there's only like fourteen games in the NFL a weekend

931
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: seven to eight field big. College football's got sixty games

932
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: and four field big. And I think these super conferences

933
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: are creating I mean, I mean, you look at USC

934
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: schedule this year, five six games, It's like, oh, you

935
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 2: have to watch those. Those are really exciting games. I

936
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: like the pivot, I mean, and a lot of it's

937
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: Fox and the ESPN said, guys, we're getting rid of

938
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve. We're gonna make these two super conferences.

939
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna even this expansion to fourteen games in the

940
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: playoffs from twelve. This is all about networks. I have

941
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: no problem with it. We gave college football free license

942
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: forever to do what they want, and they avoided big

943
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: games and people the conferences couldn't face the same number

944
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 2: of conference opponents. It was uneven and finally the network

945
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: stepped in and said, all right, we're gonna take charge,

946
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: and I like it. Last year there were more big

947
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: games than ever before.

948
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: Totally, and I think I'm pretty confident that I don't

949
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: know when this is gonna happen, but it does feel

950
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: inevitable right that all the conferences, especially if we go

951
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: to like an AFC, NFC SEC Big ten where it's

952
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: headed you play the same number of conference games nine

953
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: and then you do some sort of rotating with those

954
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: extra three. Maybe you get your allowed one non power

955
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: for a Fresno State San Diego State type, but no

956
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: more UC Davis playing USC like those days half to end.

957
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to play a Division one double a team.

958
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: So I still think we can make a couple more

959
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: steps because I looked at because I saw Belichick, Mark Andrews,

960
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: not Mark Andrews, but David Andrews's former center talked to

961
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: the team. So I google their schedule. I mean, they

962
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: got some games on that schedule. It's like, this is

963
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: it's not his fault. I mean he didn't say, but

964
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: some of these teams still, I mean there are weeks

965
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, Saban fought this forever. It's like no one

966
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: wants to watch you play Mercer and luckily in the NFL.

967
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: You know, even if the Eagles are playing the Titans

968
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: on a given week, it could end up being a

969
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: decent game, and every team has pros, like there are

970
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: such a stark difference when Texas is playing McNee state.

971
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: It's like you cannot get mad at all the fraternities

972
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: for not showing up to that game. He's fifty to

973
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: nothing at halftime. So I think we just keep moving

974
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: moving forward, especially now you can lose games like there.

975
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: As we expand the playoffs go to fourteen teams or whatever,

976
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: there is inevitably going to be a three lost team

977
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: getting it. I mean there almost was this year.

978
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: Ohio State was a twenty point favorite and lost at

979
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 2: home to a bad Michigan team and won the Natty.

980
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think, yeah, I think again. It's it's

981
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: I never like college football. It really mattered when you lost.

982
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: And I watched Kansas City win a Super Bowl two

983
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: years ago and play poorly in December, like when you know,

984
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: they always say idealism and cynicism kill progress, and they

985
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: were just college football and baseball fans. Too many purists

986
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: and traditionalists for me, like, let's just make it better,

987
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,720
Speaker 2: let's have more big games. Let's not crush a season

988
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: because you lose in October for the second time. Like

989
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: if you reel off seven straight wins, get you in

990
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: the playoff, like this idea of and you know, and

991
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: there's some old things I like, are things in sports

992
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: that I miss the Rose Bowl, like when it really mattered.

993
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: But how many times could I watched you know, Washington

994
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 2: and Iowa. Like, let's at some point and I think

995
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: what happens, John, And I've over the course of my.

996
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: Life, I've learned this.

997
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: Everybody, certain people seek comfort in tradition, totally get it,

998
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: and not everybody grows. At the same time, it took

999
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: a lot of Americans to get comfortable with gay marriage.

1000
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: It took a lot of people. Many still aren't comfortable

1001
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: with legal cannabis. And there's a lot of sports fans

1002
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: like they are just kicking and screaming. Here's all I

1003
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: know about college football. Ohio State can lose as a

1004
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: twenty point favorite and still get in. It's like, of

1005
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: course they should get in. Of course they're one of

1006
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: the twelve best teams. And Ohio State's opening with Texas.

1007
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: Texas is opening with Ohio State. It doesn't matter who loses.

1008
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: Ohio State lost to Oregon, it doesn't matter in the end.

1009
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 2: If it's a competitive game, they'll both get into the playoff.

1010
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm open minded like you, but there are

1011
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: parts like I do think watching the NCAA Tournament, it

1012
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: was weird seeing Oregon play Arizona and going, this is

1013
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: a Big Ten versus Big twelve matchup. That was a

1014
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: little bizarre in Sweet sixteen, But like, should Washington State

1015
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: be in a power for conference? And I appreciate how

1016
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: hard they try and everything, they should probably play Boise

1017
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: State Forresne State in San Diego State, that feels right.

1018
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: So it's like you could argue you could even trim

1019
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: the fat with some of the teams in the Big Ten, right,

1020
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: I mean some of these programs like the Yeah, I

1021
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: mean Maryland. I mean you see that coach, He's like,

1022
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm out for Villanova, you know. So it's just like

1023
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: I I think it's ultimately going to happen an AFC

1024
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: NFC version of college football. And it's clear words, head,

1025
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: it's the SEC and the Big Ten. We know Notre

1026
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: Dame will they'll gravitate to or Clemson in Florida State,

1027
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: Miami will gravitate too. In North Carolina. Maybe you take

1028
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: Stamford and some of the academic schools with you to

1029
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: the northern one, and that's what's gonna happen. And then

1030
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: you only play each other because why the other thing

1031
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: is now, with the amount of money that's on the line,

1032
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: why would I pay UC Davis or Montana to come

1033
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: in for one and a half million dollars? Why wouldn't

1034
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: we Just the NFL would never do that. They just

1035
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: pull their money and they keep it to spread it

1036
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: with their partners' So why the SEC gets so angry.

1037
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: They're making so much money and they push back, we

1038
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: should get more people into the playoffs. And I don't

1039
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: even think they're necessarily wrong, but it's like, how about

1040
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: we all get under the same umbrella. Yeah, and then

1041
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: those teams all have the opportunity to go. But like

1042
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: the NFL, everyone's playing everybody they don't like randomly. The

1043
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: Patriots don't get to schedule the UFL the Birmingham Bombers

1044
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: right right, because they got the bills coming up next week.

1045
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: And that to me is the next step, which it

1046
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: feels closer to, like ten years away than two years away.

1047
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: But it does feel inevitable at this point in time,

1048
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: right with the amount of money and with how much

1049
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to pay these players, because obviously the

1050
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks make a lot of money, but you and I

1051
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: hear stories about how much some of these other guys

1052
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: are making. It's the numbers aren't going to go down,

1053
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: They're only going to rise. So let's let's keep all

1054
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: a pool, all of our money like the NFL, or

1055
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: like the NBA, and just keep everyone in the same pool.

1056
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: And it sucks, but Washington States and the Fresno States

1057
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: and the you're kind of just shit out of luck.

1058
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: John Middlikoff is always buddy. Thanks appreciate it.

1059
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: Thanks going the volume.