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Speaker 1: Yeah, rapp Rate up podcast. Elliot Wilson Speed, you know

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Speaker 1: what's up baby feeling good man? We got a show today,

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Speaker 1: Baby's very own Royce the five nine to five nine,

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Speaker 1: Amazing MC, the Allegory albums out now now the Scott's producing.

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Speaker 1: He's even got production on them and them album Sir.

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Speaker 1: He's doing a little bit of everything everything, man, He's

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Speaker 1: done a lot of ter of you speaking to do

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Speaker 1: a lot of everything, man, But I think we will

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Speaker 1: get so, we gonna get some gems out of him.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a real conversation. He seems to be

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Speaker 1: peeved at these wack mcs. Let's do it, man, Let's

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Speaker 1: get into it man to rapp errate up Boys at back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: rapp rate our podcast title. We've been tricked trick and

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Speaker 1: then thinking we need back. We needed this trick, the

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Speaker 1: thinking six feet back we could pritch trick nine A

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Speaker 1: little gentleman. One of the best dress press rounds I've

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Speaker 1: seen two legends. Man, Sorry that I'm not wearing a

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Speaker 1: suit right now. Extremely cold outside, man, so holding the NYC,

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Speaker 1: I had to dress down. But it is honoring the

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Speaker 1: privilege to be here. Thank you. You've got this fire

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Speaker 1: album though allegory man, Man, yeah, I put my best

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Speaker 1: foot forward and put my best foot forward. It's called

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Speaker 1: the Allegory is out. Now. I'm just happy. Man. You

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Speaker 1: know you made us all look up that word none

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Speaker 1: of us knew with That's cool, that's cool. You're a journalist,

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Speaker 1: you guys are You're supposed to be teaching me words

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Speaker 1: and stuff. Now you're teaching us. But that was part

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Speaker 1: of it, too, like to not to kind of draw

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of the stuff you said about

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Speaker 1: it is like almost testing like what people know and

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Speaker 1: like drawing out these ideas, not necessarily claiming everything is

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Speaker 1: your but also exploring other ideologies like yeah, yeah, of course,

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Speaker 1: why did you land on? That is sort of the

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Speaker 1: direction of the album. I mean, it just sort of happened.

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Speaker 1: It started happening like that, you know, like I'm the

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Speaker 1: odor that I get. I'm just I'm growing into this

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Speaker 1: junkie for information. I love taking in new information. I

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Speaker 1: love um determining what I feel is true, what I

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Speaker 1: feel it's not true. I love looking at the general sets,

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Speaker 1: the general sets of information that we received starting in kindergarten,

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Speaker 1: started from kindergarten to now and then just weighing that

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Speaker 1: against other information that I'm taking in. It's just a

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Speaker 1: fun thing to do. It keeps me out of trouble,

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Speaker 1: you know what. It started out with me making beats,

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Speaker 1: with me starting trying to make beats. So within the year,

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Speaker 1: within the year, Yeah, so I just started. I went

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Speaker 1: that turned into two songs, and I know that I

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Speaker 1: don't age was the was the first production. An original

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Speaker 1: idea was to do a EP. Yeah, but when did

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Speaker 1: it become the thing? Where? Like and also to even have,

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Speaker 1: lot of ambition to say I'm just gonna make this

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Speaker 1: The overthinker me the obsessive compost of Royce to five

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Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how to make three or four

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Speaker 1: Like we just shook yeah, because I had um, I'm

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. Now it's pressure, right, So you decide

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Speaker 1: by getting let me get one premier beat one. But

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Speaker 1: my album's done. Like while I was telling to go

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Speaker 1: Like there was a great bellouts though, Yeah, but everybody,

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Speaker 1: everybody already associates me with these masters. They always they

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Speaker 1: Because I know the recompendulum. You say you don't pay

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Speaker 1: a rabbit hole where you're trying to um make something

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Speaker 1: Because ultimately you want to make something that's a a

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Speaker 1: You want to take it somewhere else. Because best believed

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Speaker 1: the people that you're trying to sound like they're already

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Speaker 1: doing some other ship now, because the ship that you're

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I thought it was

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Speaker 1: great that you put the Overcomer out first, because it

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Speaker 1: wasn't even just about Ogre's eld that's hot, this guy's hot.

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Speaker 1: The the orangin of that song obviously, like you talked about,

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Speaker 1: It shows how unique the approaches and with your production

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Speaker 1: Like if I want to pick a battle with him

424
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: and I just come straight at him, you know what

425
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like him and him and Cold had words

426
00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 1: back and forth on the record. That was super healthy,

427
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I know he with

428
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,120
Speaker 1: the business, you know what I'm saying. So if that's

429
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 1: what I wanted, that's what would have happened. But that

430
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 1: wasn't That wasn't even what that was. Speaking of these bars, man,

431
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: it's l a Leakers freestyle man, the hundred ones. He

432
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 1: set the tone, so so break it down. Like the

433
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 1: first verse of dal Shall then the rest was the

434
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 1: stuff he came up with. Some of it I was

435
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: writing in my studio, some of it I wrote on

436
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 1: the plane. Yeah, it was just it was just I

437
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: told myself last time I did Flex, I believe it

438
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 1: was the prime two album. I did Flex, and then

439
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 1: Black said that that standard. Yeah yeah, and then and

440
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: then I told myself that I was gonna do l

441
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 1: A Leakers for Book of Ryan, and I couldn't do it.

442
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to do it because I

443
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 1: went I started traveling with Marshall. So that was your

444
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: first time doing Yeah, that was my first time doing

445
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 1: l A Leakers And you know, like hy being Corday,

446
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 1: the game, all of these guys, they set the bar

447
00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: really hot, you know. So I just told myself that

448
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,199
Speaker 1: I wanted to really King Los King Los Toe tagged it.

449
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 1: So I just told myself that I wanted to go

450
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,880
Speaker 1: in there and I was gonna wrap at least one

451
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 1: time during this rollout schedule schedule being so hectic, I

452
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: can't I don't have I can't memorize wraps that fast man,

453
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,719
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I just like I'm

454
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: gonna give one good one slapping Michael Rap reporter the

455
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 1: gas aboard. I was just kidding. I'm just kidding, but

456
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: speaking of Corday, like Cordey got taken off the Hey

457
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 1: young world. So right, So I don't know exactly what

458
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: you said. You said, Corda, You'll always be my little man.

459
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: Of course, only atlantic destroy your standards, standings, standings, playing

460
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 1: mechanic playing, playing mechanic horse. Yeah, what do you mean

461
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: exactly what? You ever seen one of those? All right,

462
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: you've seen hus you know. I feel like labels do that.

463
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 1: Labels played, they played game shape shifting with one's career,

464
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: making decisions. I don't want him on that because I

465
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: want him to be, you know, in this life or

466
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: I want him to You're never You're never ever gonna

467
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: be in bad standing standing next to me, I'm culture,

468
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's why I always

469
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: say that this can't be contrived in the boardroom. So

470
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: what happens is when you start, when the executives make

471
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 1: the decisions to do that. If if it's not somebody

472
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 1: who's understanding is me, What if that person ends up

473
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: having an issue with is a baby? You know what

474
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, that's too much, too much pressure, you

475
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And he was getting a lot

476
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: of respect from the ogs of course, of course. And

477
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 1: I mean I I embraced them early, and I'm going

478
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: to continue to embrace him. I'm not gonna let politics,

479
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, drive a wedge between me and him. You

480
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's too important to the culture.

481
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 1: So I just felt like, you know, speaking about it

482
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, with respect, you know what

483
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,479
Speaker 1: I mean. He's disappointed that he no no, no, no, no,

484
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: he hit me a out it. He said, he said

485
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: it was fire. He said it was fire, lying on

486
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: on trick. We're talking about those label guys, like the

487
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: record label people. We said, the record label guy. You

488
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 1: can even label guys taking risks, then you can mess

489
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: the wreck someones getting tricked. Like, do you really feel

490
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: like that they're all good some label people out there.

491
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure, there's some good label

492
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: guys out there. That's Keno cost that's some there's some

493
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: good label guys out there. My my problem, my problem

494
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: with it is that these guys, there's not a lot

495
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: of them taking risks, and there's not a lot of

496
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: them riding for the artists. Because you know, it's not

497
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: really in the label's best interest to build somebody's brand.

498
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: They don't, that's that's not their concern, you know. So

499
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: like that term thing, they can they can live off

500
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: short term results because they're investing. They're just investing. So

501
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: they're looking at it strictly profit for profit margin. That's

502
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: what they're looking at. They're not looking at is this

503
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: the best record for you to build your brand? Is

504
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: this the best record for me for the machine that

505
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: I can put money behind and the maximum some Yeah,

506
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: which you know, if you can, if you if you

507
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 1: figure out a way to have a good marriage with

508
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: a record label, it's a place. It's a place where

509
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 1: they can participate and you can build your brand at

510
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: the same time. We've seen it happen plenty of times.

511
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: So one of the reasons why I feel that way

512
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,719
Speaker 1: is because, like, let's use jay Z again for an example.

513
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm using all jay Z examples. Now, jay Z formed Rockefeller,

514
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: They formed Rockefeller Records, Jay and damon them because jay

515
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 1: Z couldn't get a record deal. He wanted a record deal. Now,

516
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: I heard this behind the scenes from somebody. I can't

517
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: remember where it came from, but somebody told him when

518
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: he was taking meetings that he should rapped like the

519
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: fus Nickins right now, shout out to the fush Nickers.

520
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: That's a legendary that's a legendary group in hip hop.

521
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: But whoever this person is that told him that, Now,

522
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: let's just think about that. You cannot be more wrong, right,

523
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: that's the most wrong you could be, right, But that

524
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: person didn't have to be held accountable. Now, us as artists,

525
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: if we're ever that wrong, we're out of here. That's

526
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: career suicide. We cannot afford to be that wrong. So

527
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: if everything falls on us, you would think we would

528
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: make decisions for ourselves and not involve them so much

529
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: in the decision making process as it pertains to building

530
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: our brands, and that's in the music is just as important.

531
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: I thought it was really interesting Upside Down, which is

532
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: one of my favorite records, that interlude that you you

533
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: included when you talked about how the music has to

534
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: be really good otherwise it's like of nothing. Everyone wanted

535
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: to own their masters. But in this thing and age,

536
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: isn't that important to empower people about wanting to own

537
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: their masters? And yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think

538
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: that's what it was doing. You know, I think it

539
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: was just putting a little perspective on it. It's like

540
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: telling somebody save your money, you know. I mean that

541
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: that's cool, that's cool advice. That's cool advice. But you know,

542
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: like you're basically telling me to put it somewhere. You know,

543
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: put your money over there, you know what I mean.

544
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: You tell I can put it on the roof. It

545
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: don't matter, you know, Like if I don't have any perspective,

546
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: if I don't have any financial literacy, I'm gonna need

547
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: that money at some point. You yeah. So I mean, um,

548
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm telling people to put the effort into the art

549
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: and then on your masters, and always own your masters.

550
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: In that way, it can be self serving to you

551
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: for long periods of time, and that's what you're here

552
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: to do. You're not here to get famous. Fame is

553
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: a byproduct of what you're doing, you know what I'm saying.

554
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: So that has to be the number one thing in

555
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: your mind, you know what I'm saying. So I'm not

556
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: telling people not to own your masters. I'm telling people,

557
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: by all means, own your masters, but don't just own

558
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: them just to say you own them. You're making a

559
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: bunch of bullshit music that that could beat no disrespect,

560
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: But that could be better if you put a little

561
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: bit more energy into the actual art. You don't want

562
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: a catalog of a hundred songs that all sound the same.

563
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: That's not right. That's fairy dust y'all like fir but

564
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 1: even Donna overcome. You talk about like you don't rhyme

565
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: for the likes, you're the ones the jealous target, Like

566
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: do you feel like you're to target? Um? No, I

567
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: just like rhyming syllables, and I knew I needed something

568
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: for seller's market. So there you go. At least I'm

569
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: being honest. You're all underground for life. Oh yeah, that's

570
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: for sure. And that's that's when I say that, I

571
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: mean my mentality. You know, I'll always approached the art

572
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: form like an MC. Yeah you know what I mean.

573
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: And I think, um, that needs to be said sometimes

574
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of guys who approach it just

575
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: like me, Like Black Thought. I always use Black Thought

576
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: as an example as well, because you know him from

577
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: many things. But the thing that stands out to you

578
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: first and the first thing to hit your when you

579
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: think Black Thought, it's how well he could wrap. If

580
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: you heard of Black Thought being involved in any kind

581
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: of antics, you wouldn't even believe it. You'd be like, what, No,

582
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: you must got somebody, You must have got somebody else.

583
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: You must be thinking about somebody else. And if also,

584
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: if you hear about Black Thought making some reach record

585
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: to Garner some type of like new Fans or some

586
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: stupid ship, you also would be like, no, that ain't.

587
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: Black just still feels underground. Even though he's on the

588
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: Tonight Show. Everything he's he's a big deal, and he

589
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: will exist forever. There's never gonna be a time where

590
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: he can't wrap. There's never gonna be a time where

591
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: he's not dressed amazing, There's never gonna be a time

592
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: where he's trying to act young. He's just being himself.

593
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's what art is about. It's

594
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: it's it's about living in the center of your truth,

595
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: being comfortable in your skin, and just expressing that. And

596
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: you can express that as long as you want, as

597
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: long as you're inspired. If you become uninspired and you

598
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: just move on to something else that inspires you, but

599
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: the platform affords you totunity, didn't do anything. You also

600
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: give props a newer generation. You got Cardi and Megan

601
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: you mentioned on Overcome, but I saw a tweet that

602
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: you said, uh, you also mentioned Cash don can't forget

603
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: about her. But you also like Tierra Whack. Yes, like

604
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: your pro female rapper. Of course, I mean they all queens.

605
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: They are queens, and these are these are the most

606
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: queens that we've had running. And you know, at the

607
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: same time, you know what I'm saying, that's an amazing thing.

608
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: You got Rahpsody doing what she's doing now, the level

609
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: that Rahapsody dude does it on, you would think that

610
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: she would be um hired to feel some type of

611
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: void or something. There's no void, no void. They got

612
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: it all covered. The still getting she still has some

613
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: lane and still getting the respect you can put you

614
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: can getting lost in it. You could send all of

615
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: them on tour together right now. I go see it

616
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: all right, you know what I'm saying, And it's distinctive differences,

617
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: and we think, I think that's an amazing thing. And

618
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: I think, um, when we see things, when we see that,

619
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: like this is the first time we've seen that, so

620
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: it should be celebrated more. What was the important besides

621
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: is it just Detroit to give cash dollar extra booster.

622
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: Really well, first of all, she's she's amazing. That's first

623
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: of all. She's an amazing artist. She's beautiful, she black,

624
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: she's dark skinned, and she's from Detroit. What was it like?

625
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: What was it like producing for your good friend Marshall

626
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: mathers On to be murdered by I just got lucky man,

627
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: I just got darkness. She got the single man, he

628
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: got the darkness with the video Las Vegas Shooter. Come on,

629
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: I just I just um, I pulled that m Simon

630
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: and Garfuncle sample and uh, this is before I was

631
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: really working on the album, like really knew I was

632
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: working on it, and when I did it, I knew

633
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: that sonically it didn't match anything I was doing. So

634
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: I just sent it to him and seeing if he

635
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: would like it. And he called me the next day

636
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: and said I wrote to it. Yeah, he wrote it

637
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: at his house. And I just looked up, like, what

638
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: did you think of the classic eminem controversial content that

639
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: I thought it was great? I feel like Marsha was greatness,

640
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I feel like he's greatness.

641
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: I feel like, um, he's uh, he's under high scrutiny

642
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: right now, which is to be expected at this juncture

643
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: in his career. Right, Um, many would look at it

644
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: like a bad thing, but it's a great thing. And

645
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: that's why he's knocking these albums out of this It's

646
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: a great thing. A little artistic fire, a little bit. Well,

647
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: I know it did that. I know it did that,

648
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: But I feel like, um, I feel like we're watching

649
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: like Floyd. You know, when we when Floyd towards the

650
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: end of his career, when you start seeing them make adjustments,

651
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you start seeing them

652
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: make adjustments in the championship round, like when he got

653
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: hit by Shane with that big shot. You got hit

654
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: with two big shots, and you just start making the

655
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: mediate adjustments, and I think, I ain't That's exactly what

656
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: we're saying with Marshall. It's like he did something that

657
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: didn't connect. People didn't like it, they let them know

658
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: they didn't like it. And now he's just making adjustments

659
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: and every every single thing that he's doing, it gets

660
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: better and better and it gets closer to the target

661
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: that people are looking for each time that he does something.

662
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: I think that's an incredible thing to be able to

663
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: accomplish number one at his age and number two, um

664
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: this juncture, the level he's at and everything that he's

665
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: accomplished in the way that he's living his life, you

666
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean, completely sober um successfully, you know,

667
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: putting children through college, you know what I mean, like

668
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: being a being a responsible dad and still finding a

669
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: way to be slim shady, you know what I mean,

670
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: like people to people take for granted how tough that is,

671
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: because number one, they will never be in that position.

672
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: And then number two, you know, like he makes it

673
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: look a little easy. Yeah, you know, so it's easy

674
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: to criticize. It's easy to sit off to the side

675
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: and be like, oh man, if if that was me

676
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: doing that, I would do this. But it's not you

677
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: doing that, you know what I mean. And like, I

678
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: love to see some of these artists in that in

679
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: that situation because a lot of times it would be

680
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: like one dimensional two dimensional artists like my brother you

681
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: ain't you only did one of two things. He may

682
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: have had a line or two where we went woo,

683
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: and that's you know what I mean. You're talking about

684
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: somebody who fucking stopped the world three times over. Yeah,

685
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it gives somewhere like the awso

686
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: thing we just lost is just the level of his

687
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: dedication to the craft that's to be the key to

688
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: his success, and the fact that he still cares. He

689
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have to care. I have to care, man. You know,

690
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: he could have took his ball and went home a

691
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: long time ago, you know what I mean. And it's

692
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: just like that just shows dedication to the craft, you know,

693
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: and me as a as a craftsman somebody whom fellow practitioner, Yeah,

694
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: fellow practitioner. You know, I appreciate that. I appreciate that

695
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: from a technical standpoint, you know. You know, rather you

696
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: like the way he's approaching to be to not at

697
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: least he's approaching it in a way where he's trying

698
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: to win you over. You know, your dad has always

699
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: been amusing most of your music. Um, I know what's

700
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: on M's album. Uh. You said you're not trying to

701
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: adopt his old philosophies, Like, what are some of those

702
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: old philosophies that your dad for you? The way that

703
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: my dad reprimands you know what I'm saying. I'll give

704
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: you an example. Um, the first time, um, that I

705
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: had testosterone really running through me in a way, in

706
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: a way that made me feel like, you know, I

707
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: probably could take this guy getting a little getting a

708
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: little stronger. You know, I had been in I've been

709
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: fighting since I was five years old, you know what

710
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: I mean. So I'm like, man, I probably could. I

711
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: probably could. Really, So he said somebody didn't like and

712
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: I remember kind of sticking my chest out and I

713
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: remember saying something. I can't remember exactly what it is,

714
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: what it was, because before I could get the whole

715
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: sentence out of my mouth, I was laying in the bathtub.

716
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: He had put me through. He put me through a

717
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: shower door. My father is like he was a smaller

718
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: guy at that time. He's a little bigger now, but he,

719
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: my father has this like freakish strength strength. Yeah, it's

720
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: like a it's like a brute force. He grabs you

721
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: and it feels like a tornado is like shaking you.

722
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. But he put me through,

723
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: put me through. And I'm telling you, I'm telling you

724
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: him doing that probably saved my life because what it

725
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: did was it taught me respect. And it's the reason

726
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: why I don't number one take people for granted. And

727
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: I don't disrespect people because you just never know. And

728
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like getting punched in the face,

729
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: but I don't like, you know what I mean, Like,

730
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't like getting hurt, So I don't treat people

731
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: in a way where I'm trying to test to see

732
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: what they can do, you know what I mean. So,

733
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: long story short, I'm looking up at my dad and

734
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: he's standing over me, and I just remember saying I'm sorry.

735
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, that's what the funk I thought

736
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: you was gonna say? What else philosophies did he give?

737
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: Did give you? He said, on no circumstance to the

738
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: man be considered the legend, have nothing left on his

739
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: dead bad Yeah, that's basically saying, Um, what's the what's

740
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: the use of having all of the accolades, you know,

741
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: like um, guys like Sugaray Robinson, um, Joe Louis. I

742
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: think we were having a conversation about those guys. We

743
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: were talking about fighters. Um, the way fighters used to

744
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: get into bad contracts back in the day, and a

745
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: lot of recording artists, singers used to get into bad

746
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: contracts and you know, they die legends, you know what

747
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Like yeah, people highly regarded by the entire world,

748
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like classic, this classic that

749
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: records that we're gonna hear forever for life. There's no way,

750
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: there's no way that any of these people should be

751
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: on their deathbed with nothing any financial trouble. And I

752
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: feel the generated so much. I feel the same way

753
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: about our legends and hip hop, you know, Like I

754
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: don't like seeing any of those guys looking like they're

755
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: old and on drugs and bitter, and they got done

756
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: wrong because hip hop hadn't quite progressed enough to where

757
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: guys were making that kind of money. I feel like

758
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: there should be some type of fund put aside for them,

759
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: you know. And I feel like we all can afford

760
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: it if I if I'll put some, I'll take some

761
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: of mine and put it aside. It can be like

762
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: a tax. Like there's certain people who we wouldn't be

763
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: here if it wasn't for them, you know. And it's

764
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: it's certain there's certain people that the game choot. I'm

765
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: not gonna say any names because I don't know what

766
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: their true situations are, but it's it's pretty obvious, you know,

767
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: like that the game chewed them up and spit them out,

768
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: and I just don't think that should be a thing.

769
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: I think we should take care of them. I think

770
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: the games should take care of them. I saw a

771
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: tweet that you had a couple of years ago. You

772
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: said your goal is to help someone else in this

773
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: music business, Like that's your life passion. After I guess

774
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: everything is said and done, do you still feel like

775
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: you want to do that? Yeah? Definitely. I mean, my

776
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: my goal in life has just helped people in general,

777
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, in any in any walk of life, like, um,

778
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: just be a conduit to two good things, you know

779
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. I feel like a long there was

780
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: a long period of time where I used my platform

781
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: to kind of spew negativity into the universe, and it

782
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: put a stigma on me in many ways, you know,

783
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: like if I hadn't carried myself like that lines like

784
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: the walle A line, whenn't it got taken like that,

785
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like, um, now

786
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: I gotta kind of be careful, I gotta kind of

787
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: walk eggshells around my own creative prowess, you know what

788
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, UM, I just I just feel like

789
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: it needs to be balanced out now. You know, I

790
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: feel like, uh, based off of things that I've been

791
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: through in my life, I'm really not supposed to be here.

792
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound cliche in any way, but man,

793
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: like the things that I survived, I just don't feel

794
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to be here. So, you know, like

795
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: when you go through things like that in life, you

796
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: have to understand and find whatever your purpose is here.

797
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: I understand what my purpose is. It's too share some

798
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: of the information that I've acquired from making countless mistakes.

799
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: There is not a mistake that any of these young

800
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: guys made before or are gonna make that I haven't made,

801
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So if you have any questions,

802
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: I'm your guy. To call my phone and we can

803
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: sit on there. We can sit on the phone for

804
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: five hours at five am in the morning, and I'll

805
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: tell you everything that you need to know. I'll indoctrinate

806
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: you with information because I love That's what I love

807
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: to do. And the last thing about your dad, I know,

808
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: last time we had a conversation here he talked about

809
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: want to retire him and talked about it again on

810
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: the Hero like he starts the post office is back

811
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: what's going on. M We're getting there. We're getting there.

812
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: See the thing with me, man is I got like,

813
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: I got a whole plethora of things that I need

814
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: to do financially. Like the last thing when I put

815
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: out the Book of Ryan, I bought my father a car.

816
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: I bought him a Zeo six. My next step is

817
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get him out of the post office. But

818
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: you know he's working, He's working less hours. Um the

819
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: job is not super strenuous. Um, I got my ducks

820
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: in a row. I got a lot of things that

821
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm taking a lot of steps and I'm

822
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: basically loading up. I'm loading up. Once I started shooting,

823
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna retire. It was cocaine based off true story

824
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: with your dad. Yeah wow, Yeah, I'm a little mad

825
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: that you didn't push that as a single earlier. But

826
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: that was that cocaine. Yeah, get that real like single puss.

827
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: I was trying to lean on you with that. Yeah,

828
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: we shot that. We shot that one a little bit later.

829
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: UM Me being in the studio a lot had a

830
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: lot to do with that because um Keno Keno was

831
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: trying to get me out the CALLI to shoot that

832
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: for a minute, and I kept pushing it back because, um,

833
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: I don't like to stop what I'm doing. If I'm

834
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: like right in the middle of something. It makes me

835
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: a little mad when I'm right in the middle with something,

836
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: and um, I gotta stop, get on the plane, because

837
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: once I come back and I pull it back up,

838
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: I feel like now I'm starting all over again. I'm

839
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: not very good at continuing where I left off when

840
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: it comes to the creator. You said you at it's

841
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: a maniac of the studio or something like a Madman studio,

842
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: I could be. What makes you mad? What is it

843
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: about the situation? I pushed myself in a lot of

844
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: different ways. See, there's a lot of little nuances to

845
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: my style. You know, I studied myself so you know

846
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: you got drunk Royce from back in the day, which

847
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: is just bars I'm better than you. Yeah, Like I

848
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: could go back and listen to some of those raps,

849
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: and um there's certain things in my delivery, the recklessness

850
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: of it that, Um, I thought that I couldn't achieve

851
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: that sound again because I'm sober now now I'm finding

852
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: that if I stay up long enough, my voice becomes

853
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: a little bit horsed on no sleep and yeah, my my,

854
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I could my words slur slightly like can't I can't,

855
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: Yeah I can't. I can't. I can't come close to it.

856
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: But it only comes and being willing to push myself.

857
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not gonna push myself to the

858
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: point of exhaustion, you know, like I listened to my body.

859
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: If I feel like it's time to go to sleep,

860
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: I go to sleep. But I don't just go to

861
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: sleep just because it's eleven o'clock. You know what I'm saying.

862
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: I don't do that to myself. I don't look at

863
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: the clock. I don't set rules for myself. I don't

864
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: have windows in my studio. I don't make creative decisions

865
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: based off where the sun is at. Then you know,

866
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: I just go in there and I just um, I

867
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: just go. I just go until it's time to sleep

868
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: or until it's time to move on to the next thing.

869
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: And that's what makes me madman. And in between all

870
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: of that, a lot of the young guys come through

871
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: and I preach to them all day. Sometimes I end

872
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: up yelling that tough love. Yeah you gotta, I mean,

873
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't I won't let I won't

874
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: let them take their confidence down. I keep their confidence up.

875
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: I keep them arale up at all times because you know,

876
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: all success starts here. It starts here. As long as

877
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: you can think it, you can see it, you can actualize,

878
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: you can visualize it, you can actualize it. That's how

879
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: I feel, you know. So like the labels um the

880
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: powers that be, with all of the marketing dollars, they're

881
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: actually marketing fame to you, you know, and they're marketing

882
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: a certain kind of fame, which is a drug, you know.

883
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: And they're also marketing too you the importance of numbers,

884
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: which numbers has. Numbers do have their place in the

885
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: in the category of importance, they do, but they're not

886
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: the end all be all. So so the idea of

887
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: uploading a video to YouTube, or uploading a video or

888
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: a song to wherever online favorite dsp Yeah, and then

889
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: and then going back two hours later and looking at

890
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: the views or looking at you know, like being the

891
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: screen and then putting into your mind, that's a failure

892
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: because it doesn't it doesn't add up to Little Headache

893
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: Medicine who just signed up Little Headache Medicine, who just

894
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: signed a deal for ten million dollars because his take

895
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: out video had fifty gazillion views unless it ain't true,

896
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you know, but that

897
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: doesn't make his song better than your songs. It's like

898
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's subjective, it's I don't only believe

899
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: a lot of that ship. I really don't really don't.

900
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Next next person I see saying they signed a ten

901
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: million dollar day, I want to I want to see.

902
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: I want to see that contract. I want to see what.

903
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: I want to see what you gave up for that

904
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: ten million dollars. You had to give them your children

905
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: in order for them to feel like they can make

906
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: that ten million dollars back. The ship just don't make

907
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: sense to me. But you know I'm a hip hop

908
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: music industry conspiracy theories SOK was a ten million dollars song.

909
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: I think I still stand by. I think it's the

910
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: best song you made. Thank you, Thank you, And I

911
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: think you need to put out R and B, R

912
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: and B like EP or something like that. That's never

913
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but thank you, thank you. Hey, would you

914
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: have said you were gonna produce your by yourself? Of you?

915
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: If there ever was a project where I'm only doing melodies.

916
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: I would never ever market it as the project where

917
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm only doing melody. See, that's what makes it bad.

918
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: So as you call it the R and B album,

919
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: that's no good. That's no good. I think have like

920
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: good melodies when you guys do it. So there's a

921
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: lot of us like that though. There's a lot of

922
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: us like that, you know. And I think that's another

923
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why hip hop is so important.

924
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: It's so important to keep it hip hop, to keep

925
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: it hip hop, and do as many things as you

926
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: like to do, but nothing just to you know, oh man,

927
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: I gotta go pop. I think that's the worst thing

928
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: you can tell a new artist, a hip hop artist, is,

929
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, like they tell you that that urban radio,

930
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: rhythmic radio, all of that is the Chitlin circuit, and

931
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: you know, like pop radio. Now you made it, and

932
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: it's just like bro, who the fox said that, like who?

933
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. It's a lot you had to

934
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: the Flexibrey start. You said, my show starts at twelve

935
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: and it's sold out by levin rappers blow up and

936
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: theybut the album Ellen Ellen. I thought that was pretty

937
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: clever seems like that's the yeah, because that's what they

938
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: equate that to success, and I mean it's success. Success

939
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: is that's subjective, is very subjective, you know what I mean. Like, Okay,

940
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: you're on a bigger platform. Okay, who are you speaking to?

941
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: Are you speaking to people that are into your music?

942
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: Why in the world would you ever think that you're

943
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: only more successful because white people like you more. White

944
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: people didn't create hip hop, no disrespect, white people didn't

945
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: create hip hop. This is like, um, this is a

946
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: thing that for all intensive purposes, the world didn't think

947
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: we would last. We were that voice that they didn't

948
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: want us to have. And then once you know, the

949
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: powers that be seen that it was something that could

950
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: generate billions of billions of dollars, you know, like they

951
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: took it over, took it over and you know, regulated

952
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: it in every way, you know what I mean. So,

953
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: now do you ever feel conflicted though, like become so

954
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: dominant pop culture. You look at the kid like Roddy

955
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: Richards talented young song called the Box and that's like

956
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: the number one song in America is undisputed, right, But

957
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: do you feel like, you know, it's one way, it's

958
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: a victory for hip hop. At the same time, it

959
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: just speaks to like we're still fitting in these boxes

960
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: for the validation at certain point. Right. I don't know

961
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: if Roddy Richards the best example for that though, because

962
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: his album is hip hop. It just sounds really, really current.

963
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: But it doesn't sound like he's trying to make music

964
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: for white people. That's what I'm saying. That's that's all

965
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: I'm saying. With the pop crowd. Yeah, it doesn't sound

966
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: and that doesn't sound like he went in the studio

967
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: and said, I'm gonna make an I Heart Media album.

968
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I just went in, he

969
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: went in. Yeah, he's being He's being him, and I'm saying,

970
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with your music crossing over to pop.

971
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: The Miseducation Lauren here, it's a big gass pop album.

972
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: But man, she she she defied every law around that

973
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: time that they said you couldn't preach, they said that

974
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: you couldn't have long verses. Come on, man, she did

975
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: what she wanted to do on that albums on the

976
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: album to whatever she wanted to do. It was a

977
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: continuation of a lot of the things that the foojis

978
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: were doing, she was on this spitting, she was in

979
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: there in different pockets, and people love it. White people

980
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: love Black people love it. Everybody loves it because it's

981
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: beautiful music. You always say your career of validation comes

982
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: from a song like Lighters, what you wrote with the

983
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: attention of trying to make that big record, but then

984
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: Boom is still your bigger record. Yeah, well that's subjective,

985
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, like some some people may look at it

986
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: like Lighters is obviously bigger. You know, it just depends

987
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: on are you looking at the longevity, are you looking

988
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: at which song lasts longer, or are you looking at

989
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: which song gets you the biggest bag up front? You know,

990
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: it just it just all it depends on how you

991
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: decide that you want to look at it. But that

992
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: goes back to the perspective that I've been talking about.

993
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by that. I'm intrigued at the fact that, um,

994
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: the whole world thinks that these records are hit records

995
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: when they disappear. It's not a hit record if it disappears.

996
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: Speaking of perspective, I wanted to ask you not to

997
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: go another angle of a jay Z question with Black Savages,

998
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: with the NFL thing that he was doing at the time,

999
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: when he was getting a lot of criticism, you supported

1000
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: you put that song out, of course, and not only

1001
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: were not only when the press is hammering him you

1002
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: want to press run and support of the song. Why

1003
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: why why did you decide to do that and put

1004
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: out Black Savages. I feel like that we need to, uh,

1005
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: we need to think more like a collective. You know. Um,

1006
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of the critiquing, criticizing that

1007
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: we do. Some of it we need to keep to ourselves,

1008
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: especially as artists. As artists, we need to think more

1009
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: like a collective. If you see somebody taking steps, even

1010
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 1: though they are baby steps, we need to lock arms

1011
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: on that, you know what I mean, because you have

1012
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: to look at it. Man. You've got great, great guys,

1013
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: great men like Colin Kaepernick. Know you know, in a

1014
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: lot of the guys in the NFL, some of them

1015
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: were for the calls. Some of them were for the

1016
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: calls but didn't want to risk anything. They were more

1017
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: PC than anything. If you know that it's like split

1018
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: up like that, and um, you see that that Hove

1019
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: is taking those steps, you got to support it in

1020
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: order for us to move forward. Because that division is

1021
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: what they monetize, that's what they prey on. And we

1022
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: were divided in a lot of different instances, you know,

1023
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: when Um, when CAP, when CAP had the tryout, and

1024
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: how divided we are. You know, you've got stephen A

1025
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: saying one thing, you got, tearo On saying another thing

1026
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: you got as long as they see that division. The

1027
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: NFL didn't even feel like that they needed to even

1028
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: make a statement. They said nothing, They said nothing. Depundits

1029
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: did it for them. But they're all black, you know

1030
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: what I mean, And and like that, we don't get

1031
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: anywhere like that because we have to remember the goal

1032
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: at hand. It's no different from you know, like you

1033
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: look at like the Revote something or something like that.

1034
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: You got all of these genius black people showing you

1035
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: how genius they are, but disagreeing, disagreeing on how we're

1036
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: gonna fix us when nobody's right, nobody's wrong. Okay, Okay,

1037
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: Candice owns you feel like, you know, jail reform is

1038
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: the biggest issue. Okay, Well somebody else feels like racism

1039
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: is the biggest issue. They're both issues. Nonetheless, you know

1040
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. We gotta figure out a way to

1041
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: come together on these issues and stop making it like

1042
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: my plight is different from your plight and come together

1043
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: and demand things. L G B t Q. They did it.

1044
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: They did it correct. They came together as a collective.

1045
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: They flew their flag and they said, we want this,

1046
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: we want that, we want this. Y'all better stop saying this.

1047
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: Y'all better stop saying that. And that's it. Like a

1048
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: point system. Yeah, you better watch your ass now. And

1049
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: it's just the truth, you know what I mean. And

1050
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: that's that's they're showing you the strength and to collect

1051
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: and I respect it, man, I respected it. Actually, the

1052
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: way that they came together, it changed my perspective on

1053
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: how I look at that, you know what I mean,

1054
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: Like it changed my perspective. It made it to where

1055
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: I want to be careful what I say. I don't

1056
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: want to say things that people would take as offensive.

1057
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: And there were certain things I was saying in my

1058
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: music that I didn't even know people would take offense

1059
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: to in that way, you know, because I came up,

1060
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: I came up under Marshall, you know what I mean.

1061
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: Where hip hop was just like a platform that just

1062
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, just be crazy and have fun, you know,

1063
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: what I mean, But certain things, I don't want to

1064
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: have fun at the expense of other people. If I

1065
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: feel like I'm hurting somebody and my intention is not

1066
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: to hurt you with my lyrics, and I don't want

1067
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: to hurt you. Yeah, it was interesting, you know that lyric.

1068
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: When you talk about Clarence avan Avant, we feel like

1069
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: he should be more board rooms and you know, like

1070
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: the people in these labels are more of Morris Leevy.

1071
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: Can you explain the science behind that lyric? Yeah, Clarence Avant, Um,

1072
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, he just used to go in there and

1073
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: he used to help black artists get better deals and

1074
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: see to it that they don't get cheated, you know,

1075
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: and see to it that they're not underpaid, and um,

1076
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: they're getting their worth. Um. We don't have a lot

1077
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: of people like that these days, you know. And um,

1078
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: that kind of tradition needs to carry on. That should

1079
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: turn into a cycle that repeats, because the Morris Leavey cycle,

1080
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: the cycle of artists being underappreciated, um racially profiled. But

1081
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 1: who is Morstly For people that don't know, Morris Leavy

1082
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: is an executive from back in the day. I can't

1083
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: even remember the years. What is that? Like the seventies,

1084
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: and he just adopted a lot of ideologies that went

1085
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: against the plight of the musician, especially the black musician,

1086
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: you know. Um, and he had certain ways that he

1087
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: dealt with artists, you know, like, Um, I'm not gonna

1088
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: give him what he's worth. I'm gonna make him feel

1089
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: like everything that he does I should I should be going.

1090
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Anything that you do is great. I make

1091
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: you feel like, oh, you're welcome. I make you feel

1092
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: like it's it's my pleasure for you to be here.

1093
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: You're lucky to be here. You're lucky to be here.

1094
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: You can't do it on your own. You need me,

1095
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I'm the machine, I'm

1096
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: the guy. Really, it's the other way round. And there's

1097
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: a lot of guys now in positions of power who

1098
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: don't have any talent. They don't have any talent, they

1099
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 1: don't know ship. They're just in a position of power,

1100
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: and they're kind of like dragging their nuts through the culture,

1101
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: you know. And then you know, um, you know, the

1102
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: young black artists are just so afraid to lose you know,

1103
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: this fucking imaginary spot that they're you know, this imagining

1104
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,919
Speaker 1: that they're bangling over their head, and um, they're keeping

1105
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: us divided in so many ways, and they're marketing you know,

1106
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: us bickering with each other while they're coming together behind

1107
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: closed doors and creating all of these standards. That's to

1108
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: our detriment, you know. So I mean, you know, like

1109
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: and it's it's nothing personal. It's just the way that

1110
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: they operate. It's the way that they teach their children

1111
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: to oper right. You know, Like I got a son.

1112
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: It's like I got a son who's who's getting into

1113
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: the music business. Kids try to sign him already, just

1114
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: some crazy crazy they're getting. They're getting like they're getting

1115
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: prepped by people in the business, you know what I mean.

1116
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: So it's like that's nothing personal. This is just them

1117
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: prepping their people, them putting their people in position. I

1118
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: admire that put your people in position, but don't act

1119
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: uncomfortable when we're putting our people in position. Don't make

1120
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: me feel like I'm doing something wrong and I need

1121
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: to be so pc and I need to watch what

1122
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 1: I say or else you're gonna like blackball me or something.

1123
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: That black blackball word is the most ridiculous words in

1124
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: a long time. You could never blackball me. That's impossible,

1125
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: can not blackball me. You're not gonna fire me, You're

1126
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: not gonna remove me. You're not gonna tell me what

1127
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: I can and can't say. You're not gonna make me

1128
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: feel like you're canna do that self conscious ship with

1129
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: somebody else. You can't run that ship, run that ship

1130
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: on one of them, you know. Then one of us

1131
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: all shout out the end and iced T and ice

1132
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Cube talking about, you know, the fights they had to

1133
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: express themselves on on the platform, which is now there

1134
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: are not where and you can express yourself on your platform.

1135
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: People that don't know what the significance of messaging those

1136
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: two in particular distinctly, I think of like iced T,

1137
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: ice Cube, and I always think of Uncle Luke Um.

1138
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: I remember seeing him on Donahue and he was just

1139
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: standing up to everybody. He was standing up to everybody,

1140
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: and um iced Tea made a song called cop Killer

1141
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: that was about killing a cop because he was tired

1142
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: of cops killing our kids. It was just a song.

1143
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: But they tried to get rid of that song. They

1144
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: tried to censor him and completely get rid of the song.

1145
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: And he fought and he had, you know, threats on

1146
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: his life. He had police cars waiting on the corner,

1147
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he put his well

1148
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: being in jeopardy because he had something to say, not

1149
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: because he wanted to be on the radio, not because

1150
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: he wanted to be aims, because he wasn't going to

1151
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: allow them to block his First Amendment right, And he

1152
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: did that. What he did was he was planting a

1153
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: tree so we can enjoy the shade. Now here we

1154
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 1: are under the shade with platforms, and now we can

1155
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: say anything we want to say. We we aren't censored

1156
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: in any way. Maybe here and there, maybe just small things,

1157
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, racial slur or some ship

1158
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: like that. But for the most parts, for all intensive purposes,

1159
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: we can say anything we want to say. The stick

1160
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: of the tip of gores and all that, taking records

1161
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: out of the stores. Loris Tucker was stumping on POxy D,

1162
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: Calvin Bucks, you know what I mean. So you know,

1163
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: like now we got platforms to say anything we want

1164
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: to say, and not many of us have anything to say.

1165
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: And I think that that's again, not many of us

1166
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: have much to say, And I think that's a um

1167
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: direct not shot, but it's a miss, it's a mishandle

1168
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: of the people who put their ship on the line beforehand.

1169
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: So that's why when you see younger artists and you

1170
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: see some of the older artists telling them to educate

1171
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: themselves and just know your history. These are the things

1172
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: you need to know about. You don't need to be

1173
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: able to recite these guys lyrics word for word, but

1174
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: you have to have an understanding of what they put

1175
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: on the line and how how how many sacrifices they

1176
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: made so you can do great things. You didn't start this.

1177
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: You know, there was a door that standing open that

1178
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: you walked through. You didn't open that door. You didn't

1179
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: you didn't have to fight. You have to fight anybody.

1180
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: You didn't do ship now before you came in. Like

1181
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. How like you can go to a

1182
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: coffee shop and you just hear nineties hip hop in

1183
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: the backdrop, Like it's just it's the sister soundtrack. Remember

1184
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: we're coming in the era of like the fight. We

1185
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: had to like just you know, magnify the message in

1186
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: the culture and to be for it to be respected.

1187
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: And now because some people it's just background music, you

1188
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, My brother was at the

1189
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: My brother was at the at Cobo at the show

1190
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: when um when n w A got arrested and Troit,

1191
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah he was at that show. So you know, it's

1192
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: it's it's like that whole time is just in my

1193
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: just remember it being talked about firsthand, you know what

1194
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean. And then in Detroit. It was in Detroit

1195
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: and they were told not to do the police. Don't

1196
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: do the police. That's all they had to do is

1197
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: not do that song. They had to do is not

1198
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: do that song. Believe you me artists today, but it

1199
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: just not did this absolutely the been like all that

1200
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: ship man do that after party after I'm just here,

1201
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just here to these holes, you know

1202
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like there's a there's a greater purpose

1203
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: that you have when you have a platform. You know,

1204
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: rather you want to be a role model or not,

1205
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: it's not really your choice. You know. Once you have

1206
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: a platform, you're a speaker of the people, rather you

1207
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: like it or not. But with all this wealth of knowledge, Roice,

1208
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: I know you would never sign to would you ever

1209
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: work at a label as an executive or something like that?

1210
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: I would consider it, but I would also sign to

1211
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: a label. I really well, yeah, I would do a

1212
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: joint venture. You know, I got my own company. Deals now,

1213
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: I mean flexible. Listen, man, you can put anything on paper.

1214
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: You can put anything on paper, you know what I mean.

1215
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: We can we can put a contract together right now

1216
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: that says you gotta give me that shirt every Wednesday.

1217
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: And it would totally be you know what I'm saying, binding,

1218
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: legally binding. So that gold ring does look good? Man,

1219
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: you can have the man you are to go. How

1220
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: do we go from the rocks don't do right to

1221
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: the gold ring? We all got to go from the rystone.

1222
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: That's called evolution. That's what we gotta do. I mean,

1223
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: that's that's that's one of the things that that this

1224
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: this this culture that we call hip hop, that's what

1225
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: it affords us. We got to deal with Joe Button

1226
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: being the media. To Jesus, it's too much. But it's

1227
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: a it's a it's a it's too much. It's a

1228
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: success story. This for the time, you know what I mean.

1229
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: We're supposed to all be proud, you know what I mean,

1230
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: Like you're supposed to be celebrating Royce. I'm throwing the

1231
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: Joe Button party soon as I leave here and when

1232
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: we get out ever, so we're gonn getty more ball

1233
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: exams that that may happen. That's possible. You know, that's

1234
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: my first love. That's my first love. Just you know,

1235
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: just just really just spitting, you know what I mean, Like,

1236
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: that's my first love. It's just got to be when

1237
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 1: I'm in that mood, you know, and I never know,

1238
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, where the mood is gonna where the universe

1239
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: is gonna push me, take me next, you know what

1240
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean. So yeah, hopefully okay, but meantimes all about allegory, yes, sir,

1241
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: So congratulations and that's honor and the privilege to be here. Man,

1242
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: thank you so much for having man appreciate your brother.

1243
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: That's where to start the new season. Love and respect

1244
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: wrap Rate Up Podcast