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Speaker 1: Greetings everyone, Hello, welcome back to the final episode this

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Speaker 1: year of recrupulous Romance. Halloween is upon us, and that

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Speaker 1: means we're done with these spooky stories for now. True.

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Speaker 1: I mean, although I'm sure they'll come up again. How

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Speaker 1: many stories are just spooky on their own merits, you know? True?

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Speaker 1: So true love is scary, isn't that in the vows?

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Speaker 1: Love is scary, love is kind, love is spooky, love

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Speaker 1: is blind. I think that's what it was, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it was. I don't remember. I'm Eli,

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Speaker 1: I'm Diana, and we're so excited to have you back

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Speaker 1: with this. Yes, the last Recryptulous romance of the year.

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Speaker 1: We saved the best for last in terms of just

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Speaker 1: all out spooktacular horror show nightmares, and this episode was

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Speaker 1: something we already had on our list, but then Lauren

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Speaker 1: Rockburn at Rockburn reached out to us on Instagram and

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Speaker 1: suggested it as well. So shout out to Lauren for

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Speaker 1: having this uh ready for us, because uh yeah, we

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Speaker 1: could not do this story at some point. Lord yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one and Halloween weekend feels like the perfect time.

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Speaker 1: Of course, very much in the Halloween spirit as well,

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Speaker 1: because we watched hocus Pocus last night, which is my

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Speaker 1: Halloween tradition classic, and no one is having more fun

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Speaker 1: we decided than Bette Midler, Kathy Nagamie, and Sarah Jessica Parker.

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Speaker 1: It's true. They are having a blast. They are having

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Speaker 1: such a good time. They're the movements they all put together,

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Speaker 1: the choreography, even their facial expressions. I mean, like, just yeah,

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Speaker 1: was just so well done. I just love it. That's

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Speaker 1: such a one. Anyway, really put me in the mood.

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Speaker 1: And then you made it all creepy with this story.

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Speaker 1: This is probably the polar opposite mood of hocus Pocus.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think we have to get right into

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Speaker 1: this one because you're ready for spooky season. You guys

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Speaker 1: This is the story of Carl Tonsler, also known as

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Speaker 1: Count Carl van Kozel, and he was a German scientist

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Speaker 1: question mark Um who fell in love with a young

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Speaker 1: Cuban girl and um, and I'm not even gonna spoil

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Speaker 1: for you that it just got really bad from there.

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Speaker 1: Get right into it. Let's do it. Hate it, friend,

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Speaker 1: You're welcome to hell. There's no man making romantic tips.

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Speaker 1: He's just a out crops you were lying in chrissy

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Speaker 1: type of demonico. But if there's a spirit with a

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Speaker 1: second chance, we'll put it off. Show Recruitulous a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Carl Tonsler and we learned it

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Speaker 1: is pronounced Tonsler, not Tansler. Carl Tonsler was born in

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Speaker 1: Germany in February of eighteen seventy seven, and he grew

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Speaker 1: pulled from Ben Harrison's book Undying Love, So I want

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Speaker 1: Carl grew up mostly in the countryside on a family

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Speaker 1: Karen's hunting my castle. So Carl's mother had told him

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Speaker 1: just sitting on your table, that is. And it must

428
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: be said that the first time Carl saw this goes

429
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: the first time that the Countess on his ghosts showed

430
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: up with the girl in hand and said this is

431
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: your bride in the future. That was ten years before

432
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: Elena was born. So how this vision worked is just

433
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: as mysterious as as anything. Very weirds like a doctor

434
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: who thing and keep popping in and out at a

435
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: different time. So Carl sat in his lab, examining the

436
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: blood he'd collected and trying to reconcile what he'd just seen.

437
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: The same woman from his visions, the same ghost who

438
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: had appeared to him, the same girl from the marble

439
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: statue in the Italian Cemetery. I mean. Then a nurse

440
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: brought him her record sheet for him to log her information,

441
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: and there was her name, Mrs Lena Hoyos. He saw

442
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: that she was married, and it did phase him for

443
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: a moment. He wrote in his memoirs quote, was there

444
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: a curse upon me? Set after this search of decades

445
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: has come to an end, I should lose her again

446
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: at the very moment I had finally discovered her my

447
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: promised bride. But then he continued, what did it matter?

448
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: She belonged to another? Hadn't I also belonged to another

449
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: years ago? I was just about to say, do you

450
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 1: not recall that you were married sir to Mrs Doris

451
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: Shaeffer tons Lair. Yeah. And this is the only reference

452
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: he makes in his memoirs to the woman to whom

453
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: he is currently married. So he's running like, oh long

454
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: since past I was married to all those many many

455
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: eons ago, and she's sitting there somewhere going like, oh

456
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: my my husband hasn't called me in a few months.

457
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: I wonder where he's at. I've been waiting around for

458
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: that deadbeat. Come on, man. He was like, I was married,

459
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: but then I left and that's all it takes. It's

460
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: over now, so they forget all about me. But he

461
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: had completely changed in this moment, right um, As it's

462
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: probably come clear to you, Harrison writes, after this, von

463
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: Kostle mentally turned his responsibilities off as one might turn

464
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: off a water faucet, and he barely ever thought of

465
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: his wife and children again. So it's as if a

466
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: whole like he stepped into a whole new life and

467
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: old the old life was dead. It was like a

468
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: dead Carl in a new carl. Right. And and what

469
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: sort of PTSD or existing mental illness or anything might

470
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: have caused this is anybody's guests. They they talk a

471
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: little bit in this book, which came out in I

472
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: don't know the whole psychiatric field of study may have

473
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: changed since then, but they discuss this sort of idea

474
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: of snapping, that his personality really just in a moment,

475
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: just broke and became something completely different, and his past

476
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: memories may have vanished or altered. Um, but whatever it was,

477
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: he's just like you said, Yeah, just this totally new Carl,

478
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 1: who isn't even aware of old Carl. Like you asked

479
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: him about wife and daughter, he'd be like, what wife

480
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: and daughter? Right? It's almost as if the real life

481
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: is the ghost story, and the ghost story is the

482
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: real line he It's making me wonder, like, first of all,

483
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: I have to question how much alike all of these

484
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: women really looked. Surely he's super imposing a lot of

485
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: similarity that isn't necessarily there. I mean, that's definitely a possibility.

486
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: But I think even that presumes that these things actually

487
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: happened in the chronological order that he experienced, instead of

488
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: him retroactively making up these memories, you know. I mean,

489
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't until he wrote his books that anybody knew

490
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: anything about this ghost he saw when he was a kid.

491
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: So maybe that didn't happen back then, and he just

492
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: thinks it did. He's sort of fabricad memories, very untrustworthy

493
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: of course, so who knows. But but but if he did,

494
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: I wonder I also wonder if He was like questioning

495
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: it up until he saw Elena's person and then he

496
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: was like it must all be real. And it was

497
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: like a cementing and it was like boom, now now

498
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: all that ship has gone is over. This is everything now,

499
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: and he sort of rewrote the experience to be something

500
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: that he believed all along. Yeah, maybe instead of some

501
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: weird experiences. I don't know. His brains are crazy. I mean,

502
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: brains are just even normal brains are crazy. Yeah, they're

503
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: all crazy. It's meat with electricity in it. Oh yeah,

504
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: and it does some weird ships. Like a computer. It's

505
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: gonna glitch, it's going to have errors, it's going to crash. Yes,

506
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: it's wild. Well his his crashing, I think. Well, the

507
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: diagnosis came back for Elena, and she did indeed have tuberculosis,

508
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: and in fact, she had a articularly nasty strain, which

509
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: at the time they were calling hasty consumption. They called

510
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: it that because it's spread and killed so quickly. I

511
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: was going to say, that's not a soft punch of

512
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: a name. They wanted to give it to you with

513
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: that name. Shortly after this, Louise left Elena for another

514
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: woman and moved to Miami to become a restaurant server. Louise,

515
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: I know, now this sounds terrible. This is terrible, right,

516
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: it doesn't just sound terrible, it is, but it's a

517
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: little heartless. He says that her illness had nothing to

518
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: do with it, and Harrison writes that realistically, Louise had

519
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: a very difficult choice to make. He could either stay

520
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: here and quite possibly die of the same, very contagious

521
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: strain of tuberculosis. And I'll note here that much of

522
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: the rest of Elena's family also died from tuberculosis. So

523
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: he had to decide whether he was going to stay

524
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: with that or kind of abandon her and go somewhere

525
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: else and try to live his life out. So you know,

526
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: I'm not here to judge whether he's a good or

527
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: bad person based on this choice, only that it was

528
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: definitely I feel like sure a speculation station that it

529
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: was a very difficult choice for him, um, and that

530
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, he might not have been super happy either way,

531
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: but um, but certainly from a Lana's standpoint, that sucks. Yeah,

532
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: that's pretty cold. Yeah, I mean, Doc holiday at TV

533
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: and Kate's Kate still sat in his lap. But in

534
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: either case, it broke e Lana's heart, but not Carl's. Nope,

535
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: he was just about the only person who was happy

536
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: about this breakup. The next time she saw him, he

537
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: told her, don't worry about anything anymore. From now on,

538
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: I am going to take care of you. And he

539
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: just threw himself into studying tuberculosis and he devoted himself

540
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: entirely to her treatment. Do you do you think She

541
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: was like, well, I thought you would because you're my doctor.

542
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: Who I mean, you know, I supposed to take care.

543
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: But this is where his expertise kind of came into question.

544
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: Harrison writes that Carl quote walked a tightrope between genius

545
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: and mad scientist without a net. He was very intelligent,

546
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: and everyone around him thought of him as a genius.

547
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,959
Speaker 1: But even for his best theories, which he had many

548
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: about medical treatments and uh innovative machines, flying machines, and

549
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: and watercraft and electrical machines. He had all these ideas,

550
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: but he lacked the skill to actually bring them into reality. Like,

551
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: for example, he was building this ridiculous plane out behind

552
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: the hospital. It's big and clunky, and the wheels are

553
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: like as tall as a person, and it's this big

554
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: fat metal machine. Uh, I would never getting into this plane,

555
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: and there's pictures of it and no thank you. And

556
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: he told Elena that he would use it to fly

557
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: her out of here to an island in the South

558
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: Seas after he cured her, and they would live this

559
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: life together, you know, in this tropical paradise that they

560
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: would find. And every time she came over for treatment,

561
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: he would take her out of the plane and show

562
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: it to her. They'd sit down next to each other

563
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: in the cockpit and pretend they were flying. And he

564
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: wrote in his memoirs that one time, when they were

565
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: looking at the plane, he asked her could I name

566
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: the plane La Contessa di Kozo, the Countess of Cozel,

567
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: And it was suggesting to her, like you're gonna marry

568
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: me and be the Countess of Cozel, and I'm going

569
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: to name the plane after you. And she was like,

570
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: oh that's sweet. Sure, yeah, you can name it the

571
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: Contessa and very much Indeed, he painted Contessa Elena van

572
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: Kozo on the side of the plane the next day.

573
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: I have to wonder if he was like, can I

574
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: do can I write the contest of Kosal And She's like, yeah,

575
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: I meant you're playing, I mean, go for it. And

576
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: then the next day she comes out and sees Elena

577
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: Countess contests of like ohn't yeah, oh wow, I better

578
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: go now. He had been sending payments back to Zephyr

579
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: Hills for Doris and his daughters, but now with his

580
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 1: focus on Elena, all of that stopped. He was not again.

581
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: They were they were gone for him. It was like

582
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: they had never existed. And he was showering Elena with

583
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: gifts and jewelry and making constant promises that he could

584
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: cure her tuberculosis. He tried several experimental treatments, even concocted

585
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: some homemade elixers, which sounds terrifying. Outside of his memoirs,

586
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: there's no historical evidence that any of his feelings for

587
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: Elena were reciprocated. Right, So we don't know how she

588
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: felt about Carl. I'll say that even in the quotes

589
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: from the memoirs that Harrison puts in his book, even

590
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: though he sounds delusional, like he never really writes her

591
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: as sounding like she's in love with him, but it

592
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: sounds like he thinks she is. But even in his

593
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: own writings, I'm like, dude, she's not into you know,

594
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: but he's still responding as though she is. It's very strange.

595
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: That is so creepy, so so creepy. You know. She's like, oh,

596
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: you're so nice to know, you're so kind. Oh you

597
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: give me a diamond ring. Oh that's so sweet, thank you,

598
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: uh thanks by Okayssie tomorrow. You know, I do think

599
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: it's weird that she would accept jewelry from him, but

600
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: maybe she just didn't know how to say no. He

601
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: just refused to take it. Something like that ship can

602
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: be so awkward. And I'll say side note too that

603
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: years later many of Helena's friends said that ship wasn't

604
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: ex pensive. So Carl and this, uh that he did

605
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: right that he gave her a diamond ring at some point. Uh,

606
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: nobody else ever saw that ring. He was like a

607
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: ring pop when that be He's like, I gave her

608
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: this beautiful stone and Elena is like, oh, thank you

609
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: so much for the lollipop that would cheer me up

610
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: on the way home from my horrible tuberculosis experimental tuberculosis street. Well, anyway,

611
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: all that speculations case, and I don't think ring pops

612
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: existed yet, but it was probably something like yeah and

613
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: Harrison also wrote that when Carl confessed his love for

614
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: Elena to her, she insisted that even though she was

615
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: aware that she probably would never see Louise again, she

616
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: still felt that she was married in the eyes of God,

617
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: she could not be with Carl. So anyway, it doesn't

618
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: seem like probably she was being very encouraging to him,

619
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: but he certainly was building a whole fantasy whatever she

620
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: was in. He treated her with radiation therapy, and when

621
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: she was too sick to go to the hospital, he'd

622
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: go to her and bring this homemade high power medical

623
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: units with Tesla coils that he would use to zap

624
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: the back of her throat and tonsils. And he claimed

625
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: her condition improved for a time from this. Yeah, she

626
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: seemed to get her voice back and and uh and

627
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: was more active and feeling better. He says. Okay, he

628
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: fought with her parents because they brought her company, like

629
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: they'd bring her friends to see and stuff like that.

630
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: They would take her on car rides and just kind

631
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: of do stuff with her. Activities that Carl insisted was

632
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: deteriorating her health further. But honestly, they just knew that

633
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: she wasn't going to live much longer, and they wanted

634
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: to give her as much enjoyment as they could and

635
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: probably spend as much time with her as they could

636
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 1: until it was over. And then on October, despite all

637
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: of Carl's efforts, Elena died. Carl was brought to the

638
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: house shortly after she died, and he made a last

639
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: minute attempt to revive her with his electric machines, but

640
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: she was gone. In his grief, he was angry at

641
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: her family for this paltry funeral service they had planned,

642
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: and he insisted that he paid for a better service

643
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: is in. Her parents were like, Okay, yeah, if that's

644
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: what you want to do, you know, sure, I don't

645
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: think they cared much but um, but they were willing

646
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: to let him do it. On his way to the service,

647
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: he said that in his head he was hearing beethoven

648
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: seventh Symphony like to him, he thought people would say

649
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: that was weird, but he felt like it was very

650
00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: powerful and almost wedding like experience. He called it um.

651
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: He just didn't have the same feelings that other people

652
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: did about this funeral. After she was buried, Carl offered

653
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: her parents five dollars a month to rent her room

654
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: and stay there. Now, this was a considerable amount of

655
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: money back then in in Key West, and strangely they agreed,

656
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: probably just because they needed the money and also in

657
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: their grief. You know, who knows what they were thinking.

658
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: And then he made them a strange promise. He said, quote,

659
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: I'll take good care of her. I'll not permit her

660
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: body to decay. And if in the grave Elena should

661
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: lose her hair, I'll buy new hair and put it

662
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: back on her head. He writes then that her mother

663
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: responded by saying, quote, don't use other people's hair. I

664
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: have some which she cut off a year ago, and

665
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: she gave him long tresses of Elena's black hair. Now,

666
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: he went back up to her room and lay down

667
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: in her bed, where he would sleep many of his nights.

668
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: And he wasn't really sure how he could live up

669
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: to this promise of keep taking care of her body

670
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: while Elena was buried underground. So he decided that it

671
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: was his responsibility to have a mausoleum built and to

672
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: have her body interred inside. And I'm telling y'all, from

673
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: this point on, his behavior got more and more bizarre

674
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: and horrifying and strange and nightmarish and we're going to

675
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: see it right after this commercial break. Use that to tea,

676
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: and we're back with the horrifying conclusion. To Carl Tansler

677
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: and Lena the Hoyos. Carl had the crypt built and

678
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: paid to have Elena's body dug up and moved there.

679
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: The construction took three full months, and moving her was

680
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: highly unorthodox. When they dug up her coffin, they saw

681
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: that the reins had already steeped through, as the wood

682
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: had been cracked when the grave diggers packed the earth

683
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: above it too tightly. He paid the undertaker to allow

684
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: him in to redress Elena for her new tomb, and

685
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: when they lifted the boards of the broken coffin from

686
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: her body, the lining from inside had become stuck to

687
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: her face. Carl had to spray her with a formula

688
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: to disinfect the corpse and harden its tissues so she

689
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: didn't fall apart when they tried to move her. It

690
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: took them hours to clean her and finally transfer her

691
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: into a new coffin, so he came a second night

692
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: and placed her into a specially made incubator tank that

693
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: he built specifically to preserve her. From there, she was

694
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: sealed in an airtight double casket with fifty locks on

695
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: it that required a special key to open, and then

696
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: the crypt itself was closed with three more locks on

697
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: the outside, and for eighteen months, Carl came to visit

698
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: the tomb and sat inside by her coffin. One night,

699
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: he dozed off as he sat in the dank crypt,

700
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: only to be awoken by a sudden, loud, blasting noise.

701
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: He looked around, but no one was there. He thought

702
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: maybe someone was playing a prank on him. A neighborhood

703
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: kid came and shot a cap gun while he was

704
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: sleeping to startle him, but there was no one around.

705
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: He looked back to Elena's casket and he saw that

706
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: all fifty locks had sprung open at once. Then he

707
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: heard a light tapping sound from inside, like fingers gently

708
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: scraping at a metal surface. He flung open the outer

709
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: casket and put his ear down to the wood, but

710
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: he heard nothing. Then he opened the rest of the

711
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: coffin and the incubator and revealed Elena. The smell, he said,

712
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: was quote exactly like the healthy and agreeable odor of

713
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: a young woman's skin on a warm day, which is

714
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: so much scarier to me than if it had been

715
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: brank and disgusting. And from then on he started having

716
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: conversations with Elena on his visits. He said he thought

717
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: that her blowing all the locks open was just a fun,

718
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: practical joke, like the kind that she used to play

719
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: and loved so much. He chucks everything up to a

720
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: practical Joe doesn't like people were pranking car a lot.

721
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: I guess he really had a high opinion of what

722
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: a prankster could accomplish, right like, man, you were the

723
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: subject of some elaborate shit. I guess. She started to

724
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: sing to him from the crypt, and one night he

725
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: saw a vision of a white haired woman waiting outside

726
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: the tune Oh count as count Asama's back. Huh. And

727
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: eventually Elena's spirit called to him, begging for him to

728
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: release her from the mausoleum. She gave him the very

729
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 1: instructions he would need to do so. Bring a large

730
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: blanket to cover the fence and hide from neighboring houses.

731
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: Bring a wagon to carry her away. Come when the

732
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: moon is new, under cover of darkness. It's a real

733
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: heist planner, Elena. She also told him that the dead

734
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: woman in her neighboring plot was her friend, then that

735
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: she would help him keep a lookout. Wow, Elena is

736
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: like a Danny Ocean. She's getting a whole crew together,

737
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: corpse crew of the corpse crew together to hoist her

738
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: own body. Where is that Halloween movie? And on the

739
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: darkest night in April of n Carl came to the tune.

740
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: He opened the locks and took the inner casket with

741
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: him in the wagon, bringing her back to his own house.

742
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: He removed her body. Her hair was thick and matted,

743
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: stuck to her scalp. There were maggots around her head

744
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: and ears, and her eyes were empty black holes. The

745
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: spirit told him he must not love her like this,

746
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 1: but he told her she was as beautiful as ever,

747
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: and he kissed her dry lips and breathed her into

748
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: her lungs until her chest rose. Then he laid down

749
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: next to her on the table, holding her for the

750
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: rest of the night. He believed he could resurrect her,

751
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: but that he couldn't do it with her body in

752
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: this state. The state of being dead and rotten was

753
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: the state to Yeah, it was, He basically said, like

754
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: that would be That would be rude of me to

755
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: resurrect her like this, it's everything you've done so far.

756
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty eff and rude. It is. I'm so disturbed.

757
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: That's so fucking gross. He was like, no, you're as

758
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: beautiful as ever, and then he kisses this corpse. There's

759
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: maggots and there's my well. Anyway, hopefully no one's eating

760
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: lunch right now something, but if you are, just save

761
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: it for later. So he couldn't do anything for her

762
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: with her body in the state, so he decided what

763
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: of course, he had to rebuild it. He used wire

764
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: and broken coat hangers to keep her skeleton intact. He

765
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: mail ordered glass orbs to replace her eyes. When her

766
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: hair began to come loose, he took the hair that

767
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: her mother had given him and fashioned her a short

768
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: wig out of her own former hair. When her body

769
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: cavity started to collapse in on itself, he stuffed her

770
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: full of old rags. He used plaster casting to try

771
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: and create the perfect mask of her face, and he

772
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: made several copies of it. But in creating the masks,

773
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: he discovered that he could use a mixture of bees

774
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: wax and balsam to set a new form of skin

775
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: over her. The oiled silk that he had used to

776
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: protect her face while he was making the mask hardened

777
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: to her and fastened tightly to her skin. He thought

778
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: it looked just as beautiful as ever, and ended up

779
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: painting her whole body in this solution, replacing her skin

780
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: with a waxy plaster like coating. He sprayed her with

781
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: perfumes and preservatives to keep the stench of death at bay.

782
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: All the while he's out there working on his airplane,

783
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: which he believed he could use to fly her into

784
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: the stratosphere and resurrect her with radiation from outer space.

785
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: This man is not well. He is not okay. And

786
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. I mean, there are pictures and

787
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: this is a nightmare looking thing. I mean, this idea

788
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: that he created this perfect, beautiful plaster mask of her

789
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: face that he did not not it's really really terrifying.

790
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen them. Yeah, and this went on

791
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: for seven years. God, he believed he was returning her

792
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: to life. But there was no muscle, no blood, no

793
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: functional organs anywhere in her body. It was effectively a twisted,

794
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: waxy modern mummy that he was creating. I mean, she

795
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: was like a scarecrow. And yeah, he had completely abandoned

796
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: his family in His younger daughter died suddenly of diphtheria,

797
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: and his wife assumed that he would come home to

798
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: bury his child, but he completely ignored her letters. He

799
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: did not attend the funeral, and he sent no money.

800
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: And some believe he was just so far gone that

801
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: he had completely replaced his entire life in his head.

802
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: As we kind of spoke about earlier, he just had

803
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: no practical memory of even having had a wife and daughters,

804
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: like that was like a past life, for like a

805
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: dream he had or something. Meanwhile, rumors started to spread

806
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: of Carl Tonsler dancing with a wax doll in his

807
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: house at night. People are like that creepy German guys

808
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: here has got a weird doll mannequin or something, and

809
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: he's dancing with it, like past the window. Mm hmmm.

810
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: And finally, in those rumors spread to Elena's older sister, Florinda,

811
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: and Florenda's lying, Okay, we need to investigate this rumor

812
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: because I remember that crazy old dude. And in September,

813
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: Carl heard Elena tell him hide me, hide me somewhere.

814
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: But Carl felt like he couldn't the only place he

815
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: could keep her with her coffin. But in there, he said, quote,

816
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: she would be deprived of the air, which she needed.

817
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: Oh man, so he thinks she needs air. I mean,

818
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: this just shows you how far gone. And again this

819
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: is not He didn't hear Elena's spirit. He didn't hear

820
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: a voice from somewhere. He heard her tell him, hide me,

821
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: hide me the thing he made. Yeah, he's having a

822
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: full on conversations. This is a conscious person who needs

823
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: his help in his mind. It's wild to me. On

824
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: septem Florinda and her husband Mario, demanded that Carl come

825
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: to the mausoleum and open Elena's tomb. And you know,

826
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: he told her, I don't have to do that, there's

827
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: no reason to do that. She actually gathered a bunch

828
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: of people from around town to go down to that

829
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: tomb and said get down here, now, want to see

830
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: you open it. And he said, look, this is a

831
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: family affair, so let's talk about this in private, and

832
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: I will show you Elena's body. So he brought them

833
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: back to his place. He walked them up to his room,

834
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: and he pulled back the covers on Elena's bed. Florinda,

835
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: of course, could not believe what she was seeing, and

836
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: at first she refused to accept that this bizarre wax

837
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: reconstruction was her sister. She asked him how long he

838
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: had kept her body, and he told her seven years.

839
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: She was absolutely horrified. She demanded that he returned Elena's

840
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: body to her crypt, but Carl fought back. He insisted

841
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: to her that the crypt and everything inside it belonged

842
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: to him. He'd paid for it all, after all, and

843
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: he also said it was better for Elena for him

844
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: to have her out here than for her to go

845
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: back into the mausoleum. To him, that's made perfect sense,

846
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: Like why don't you see that I'm I'm doing what's

847
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: best for her here. Well, and he's talking about a

848
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: conscious person like he He really is seeing somebody who

849
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: needs air to breathe, who can dance with him and

850
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: talk to him and knows what she needs and wants.

851
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: And that's not what Florinda is seeing. So they're just

852
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: not even on the same planet right now, exactly exactly, Well,

853
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: the next day the sheriff showed up, maybe no surprise

854
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 1: that Florinda was like, I mean somebody to come over here.

855
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: This is some some ship I need some help, and

856
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: they arrested Carl for grave desecration and removed the body

857
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: and took it in for inspection. And Carl insists in

858
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: his memoirs that the sheriff was very kind and understanding

859
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: and felt like Carl was being wrong. But that sounds

860
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: like a manager to me. Or He's like, listen, man,

861
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be down here. I'm

862
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: with you, really, I'm just trying to get my job done.

863
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: They asked me that I got it, you know. You

864
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: know how it is with them. They're taking your wife

865
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: away on that's that's wild. You know. I'm sure it'll

866
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: all work out for you in the long run. Yeah,

867
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: I'll take good care of her while she's in custody.

868
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: Don't worry, you know. So that Carl was like, all right,

869
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: you're a nice guy, come on and do what you

870
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: gotta do. I think Carl just believe this whole time, like, man,

871
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: I have to go through this so that Jerry can

872
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: tell them that I'm right for what I'm doing. You know, well,

873
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: it would not be long before he went to trial.

874
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: And if none of this is crazy enough, here's a

875
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: bad ship, insane little fact toy that might ruin what

876
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: will hope you had left for humanity. The trial was

877
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: obviously a media sensation. This is a guy who lived

878
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: for seven years with a corpse turned into a more

879
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: and more horrifying doll, and he was talking to it.

880
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this is prime stuff. But the

881
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: majority of public opinion was on his side. What women

882
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: called him an eccentric, romantic, just a man who felt

883
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: passionate about the love of his life. He'd go to

884
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: any lengths to help U. That's so beautiful. God, get

885
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: you a man who will dig up your body, put

886
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: it in an incubator, make a waxy skin version of

887
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: your skin, put your own hair on your head, and

888
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: then dance around past a window with you. Oh yeah,

889
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: just a regular casanova. That's what we're going for. My

890
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: heart is breaking for women of this era if this

891
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: is what they're like. You know, I would love a

892
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: guy who was that dedicated. They were like, you know,

893
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but that looks good to me

894
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: for some reason, My god, my god. Meanwhile, the trial

895
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: went very quickly, as you'd expect, right cut and dry,

896
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: right obviously, but as you might not expect, Carl got

897
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: off Scott free. And why because our good old friend

898
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:39,959
Speaker 1: the statute of limitations. If you just wait your crimes out,

899
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: just wait out the clock, you can get away with anything.

900
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god. They were like, hey, so, I mean,

901
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: nobody's really mad at you anyway, except you know, everyone

902
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: who was related to this woman. Yeah, her entire family,

903
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: and anyone would have a brain, which is apparently not

904
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: most people. I don't. It's funny because I don't, you know,

905
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that once you're dead, your body doesn't

906
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: matter to you anymore. I just feel bad for her

907
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: family because there's something so gross about knowing your family

908
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: member's body is being disrespected this way. And yeah, I

909
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: don't know. It just feels like such a like injustice

910
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: to them and to her. I need to mention that

911
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: she's dead, but still, but not to mention the deception

912
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: that went along with it too, you know, like, oh,

913
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: let me build her this mausoleum. She'll be safe there. Yeah. Well,

914
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: let's let's go over the fine details of this and

915
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: see what your definition of safe is. Yeah, because I

916
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: feel like it's different than mine. Plus, if anywhere in

917
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: this story, people what should have said, Man, you're not

918
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: doing well. Someone should maybe be talking to you or something,

919
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: or you should be sitting down somewhere safe, like it

920
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: should be here. When they found out that he was

921
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: literally talking to a course like, why didn't anyone go

922
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: maybe this person is not okay and they need to

923
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: go somewhere. Sorry, statuted limitations, Free to go. I guess

924
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: he was crazy then, but he's not crazy now. He

925
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:12,439
Speaker 1: still got the body okay anyway, So he moved back

926
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: to Zephyr Hills. No mention if he found his wife

927
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: and daughter, probably not, assume that they probably didn't want

928
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: to see him anyway, and he sat down and wrote

929
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: his autobiography there. He published it in the pulp fiction

930
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: magazine and got his story out. I'm sure people were

931
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: more than happy to pay for it. Absolutely, that's worth in.

932
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: Nicol Elena's body, meanwhile, was put on display in a

933
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: local funeral home and tourists could come see it for

934
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: a dollar, and nearly seven thousand people came and paid

935
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: to see this mutilated corpse before finally her family members

936
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: got her back and they buried her in an unmarked

937
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: grave in Key West Cemetery to prevent further desecration. Carl

938
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: lived out his life in relative obscurity and became a U.

939
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: S citizen in nineteen fifty. Then two years later he

940
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: died at the age of seventy five. He was found

941
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: on his bedroom floor three days after his death, and

942
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: in his room was a life size doll with one

943
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: of the wax and plaster masks of Elana's face that

944
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: he made attached to it. What. Oh my god, so horrific.

945
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: So clearly, I mean, this obsession just never ended for

946
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: him and his sense of reality. Obviously it was completely distorted. Yeah,

947
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm wonder if he was still talking to her,

948
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: if he knew that it was a doll replacement for

949
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: what he had already lost. God, who knows, you know

950
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: what point he could have believed anything. He might have

951
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: thought so gross that somebody was able to just display

952
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: her body until the family could work out some details

953
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. What is that and makes seven grand off

954
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: of it? Because the trial was such a media senstation,

955
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to come see and I'm like, first of all,

956
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see the two pictures of it

957
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: that I saw. First people were real starred for entertainment. Yeah, oh,

958
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: and this is prime like sideshow era. This is what's

959
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: so horrific about the whole thing is his very matter

960
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: of fact, practical approach to it all. It's like when

961
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: he when he opened the tomb and smelled this, you know,

962
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: the skin of a young woman, as fresh as the day,

963
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: like like a woman's skin on a warm, sunny day.

964
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's more scary to me that he

965
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: cracked that tomb open and was like, ah, when if

966
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: you were in there with him, uh, you probably would

967
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: have thrown up from the smell. Absolutely absolutely. I think

968
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 1: we talked about this on another episode, but that about

969
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: that movie with Bryan Reynolds called The Voices, Yes, which

970
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: where he is serial killer but he doesn't he His

971
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: point of view in the movie is all sunshine and

972
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: rainbows and happiness and everything's bright colored and yeah everything,

973
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: and then you cut to another perspective and it's and

974
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: it's disgusting, hard, warped and horrific. And that's kind of

975
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: what I feel like it is with Toddler, right. Yes,

976
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: I was definitely thinking about that movie the whole time

977
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: because it was exactly like that. It's it's completely separate

978
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 1: from reality and it's all clean and sweet, smelling and innocent.

979
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: That was the other thing about Bryan Reynolds characters, he's

980
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: actually very innocent, sweet and dopey and whatever, and you

981
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: just they're like, oh, don't you know, you know what

982
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: he's up to, But like, you just can't believe this

983
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: guy that he thinks of himself as doing that, because

984
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 1: that's not really who he is. And then you see

985
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: the real world and it's a fucking nightmare, but he

986
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: doesn't see he really doesn't see it at all. So yeah,

987
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: I mean that's exactly like Carl kind of being like

988
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: not only smelling, not smelling her rotting body, which he's

989
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: like a very overwhelming gross smell, not only replacing that

990
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: with a pleasant smell, but then also like thinking that

991
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: breathing air into her mouth was going to do something,

992
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: that that rebuilding her body was going to do something.

993
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: What was you know how, I don't know. And then

994
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: this weird rocket ship he was going to send her on.

995
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he just had a whole, like the whole

996
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: world going on that does not match this one, but

997
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: it was so real to him. Clearly, this idea that

998
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: he had reconstructed this perfect man ask of her face.

999
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: And imagine him seeing that and then go look at

1000
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: a picture of this face, because it is the furthest

1001
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: thing from a from a realistic portrayal of a human face.

1002
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: It is a pure nightmare. It's remarkable. This whole story

1003
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 1: is remarkable and certainly one of the creepiest stories I've

1004
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: ever heard, for so many reasons. Oh my god, the

1005
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,520
Speaker 1: when he showed her body to her sister. When he

1006
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 1: leads her upstairs and he's like, I'm gonna show you.

1007
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,959
Speaker 1: You're gonna meet your sister, aren't you glad to see

1008
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: her again? And then pulls back the covers and there's

1009
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: this wretched, twist, twisted, waxy doll of a corpse. Oh.

1010
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a more nightmarish experience for anyone than

1011
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: something like I mean, that is straight out of a

1012
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: horror movie. Oh yeah, straight. Florinda was never the same,

1013
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: But you know what she didn't do. She didn't have

1014
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: her mind snap and go and fallow ghosts. Most of

1015
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: her immediate family died within the same time period of tuberculosis.

1016
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: Parents and eventually even Florinda herself died shortly after. Um.

1017
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: You know, but she had a very large family extended

1018
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: down there, and I think most of them dealt with

1019
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: this funeral home displaying the body and everything afterwards. But

1020
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: even still, I mean, they all knew and loved this girl,

1021
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: and just an absolutely terrifying experience and and and a

1022
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: really extra horrible considering their family was also like being

1023
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: wiped out by tuberculosis, like they weren't going through enough.

1024
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: And then this this this fake doctor comes in and

1025
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: is like gaslighting them, like I can cure your daughter.

1026
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: You've got to let me do whatever I want, and

1027
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: just totally made up this story that everyone else just

1028
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,439
Speaker 1: got sucked into. I mean, that's when it turns from

1029
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: like creepy ghostie horror story to just like the story

1030
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: of a delusional asshole taking advantage of people. Um, whether

1031
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: he knew he was or not. Um, pretty pretty twisted. Yeah.

1032
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: The impact, yeah, you know, greater than the intent. Just

1033
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: to recap again, like the story of him and Elena

1034
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: and what he did with her body, all of that

1035
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: as true, but who he was before this, his life

1036
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: leading up to it, his air quotes, adventures across the world,

1037
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: the spirits, the statue, everything, all like we said, like

1038
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: could be very like fabricated after the fact. He may

1039
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 1: have believed it intently, um, but but something happened to

1040
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: this guy at some point. Definitely that really cost a

1041
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: lot of trauma that I think he dealt with in

1042
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: a way that really affected a lot of other people.

1043
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,560
Speaker 1: It's reminded me a little bit too of Raymond Fernandez

1044
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: from our Lonely Hearts Killer episode, because remember he got

1045
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: hit by that door and it cracked his skull and

1046
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: his personality completely changed, and after that he became really

1047
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,560
Speaker 1: violent and stuff and like grumpy and just like unhappy

1048
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: it could happen and that, you know, it was kind

1049
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: of like, well, if that door had not fallen on him,

1050
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: would he have ever been a killer? You know, would

1051
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: he have ever done any of that stuff? Maybe speculation station.

1052
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: Maybe back in his lab that night, Um Carl's pencil

1053
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: rolled off his desk. He went down to get it,

1054
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: and he like got back up and banged his head

1055
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: real hard on the desk and it was just like

1056
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 1: started hallucinating and just from then on he just had

1057
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: this like ghost experience. Maybe that's maybe that was the

1058
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 1: root cause of it. It's just a just a knock,

1059
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: knock on the noggin for that hit your head in

1060
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: the wrong place, You never know what could happen. It's

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Speaker 1: not unheard of. So more all the story everyone tonight,

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Speaker 1: I think is be careful when you're getting back up

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Speaker 1: after you drop your pencil. Maybe that's why they started

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Speaker 1: making pencils like hexagonal. They were like, we gotta stop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they ca Yeah, we caused a lot of problems,

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Speaker 1: making a lot of killers with our round pencil. We

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Speaker 1: finally solved the mystery of both round pencils and you're

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Speaker 1: welcome history. Well, I hope you all enjoyed this truly

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Speaker 1: terrifying tale. Yeah, and this whole series of recryptulous romance

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Speaker 1: that we've had so much fun bringing you this month.

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Speaker 1: I know this has been really fun to tell. Spooky story, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: find all these weirdos. I want to get into more.

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Speaker 1: But I also you know, we've got to save something

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Speaker 1: for next year, right, Hey Christmas has ghost ease in it?

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Speaker 1: Oh sure, Yeah, maybe we can find a nice story. Hey,

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Speaker 1: if you all have any suggestions for stories like these,

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Speaker 1: or any ridiculous romances that you've come across, please send

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Speaker 1: them our away. I'd love to hear from you like

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Speaker 1: Lauren did with this one. Thanks again, Lauren, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much Lauren for sending us one you can reach

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Speaker 1: out to us at Romance at iHeart media dot com,

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Speaker 1: right on social media, Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Danamite Boom,

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Speaker 1: and I'm at Oh Great, It's Eli and the show

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Speaker 1: is at Ridict Romance and we would just love to

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Speaker 1: hear from you. Check out our YouTube page where we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be having more episodes uploaded all the time with

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Speaker 1: the close captions available so you can read along with

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Speaker 1: us and also you know, send drop us a review.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you there. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for staying in touch with us, Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for listening. Happy Halloween, Happy hallo Ween, Stay safe,

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Speaker 1: stay spooky, and we will see you all in the

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Speaker 1: next one and we'll rise again. All aloisive, put your

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Speaker 1: friends in at and preachments and play within a show.

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Speaker 1: We Contalus romes Ha