1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Lisa Donovan here back again with a new 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: episode of Killer Thriller. This is a continuation of my 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: chat with Jay Schwartz. We are talking about Welcome to Chippendale's, 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: the Hulu series which Jay has some pretty specific feelings about, 7 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: and he was one of the producers of the original 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Chippendales in New York City. He is now a very 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: legendary Hollywood publicist. So we're gonna get back into our 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: conversation talking about what did happen, what didn't happen, And 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: let me tell you, what did happen was far wilder 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: than what they ever cover in this show. I want 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: to make sure we cover talking about the mafia and 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: the bags of cash. That was me, that was you? Yes, 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: so right, tell me tell me about the mafia. How 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 1: was the mafia involved the cash? 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,639 Speaker 3: It's well, but that's two different things, okay, right, okay, 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: So it was a cash business. 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: Right, which is also kind of hard to sow. 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: Eve and Gary were carrying hefty bags out to their car. 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: There was a garage attached to the club and like 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 3: a little driveway and they would be taking big, hefty 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: bags out of cash and putting in the trunks of 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: their cars. The mafia thing is. One afternoon, two guys 25 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 3: came into the club. I was downstairs. Even though I 26 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: knew what it was, it didn't phase me, I guess, 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: but came in and I said, in my arrogant New 28 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: York style, can I help you? What are you doing? 29 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 3: Who are you? And uh? They said, oh, yeah, we're 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: here for a collection, like collection, like totally over my head, 31 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: right right? 32 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: What are you picking up the garbage? What are you 33 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: looking for? 34 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: And I, I guess I was sizing them up, like 35 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: they were dressed and so on, and I'm like, election, like, yeah, 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: we're here to get paid. 37 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: Oh probably, Like who is this guy? 38 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: You want to talk to? The guys upstairs? Hang on 39 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: just a moment, I'll go get them. That's going. Oh 40 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: but that's a regular thing in New York. So that's 41 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like I'm not faced by it because 42 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: there's always stuff like that. 43 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh I didn't. 44 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 3: I wasn't scared of them in the least. I just 45 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 3: didn't know. And you know, like when you're in a 46 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 3: situation or you're talking to somebody and then all of 47 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: a sudden, you. 48 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: Have yes, all goes. 49 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: Okay, you want to talk to you, I'll be right back. 50 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 3: So and when I left the club, you asked me that, yes, 51 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 3: that's what I was. 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: An how did you come to leave? So you know 53 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: it was because it sounds like you just loved your boss. 54 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: I don't know why you would ever want to leave. 55 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: I used to have such dizzy spells because I had 56 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 3: to stay at Nick's apartment because I lived in South Jersey. 57 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: It's before I moved to the city. Okay, you know 58 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: when we were rehearsing the show and hiring and they 59 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: were rebuilding the club, and it was just a lot 60 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: for me. And I was there like seven days a week, 61 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: twenty four hours a day. 62 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: You were living with him, you had to live well. 63 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: I lived in he got a two bedroom on the 64 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: east side, which is where the club was. 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: We're talking about gutting. 66 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 3: But I just couldn't deal with him, you know. I mean, 67 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 3: like my contempt for him was just out there, you know. 68 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: But everybody felt the same way about it. Everybody nobody 69 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 3: liked him. He had one dancer in there who was 70 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 3: nobody liked this guy. Either because he was a liar 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm better than anyone else and caught 72 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 3: him in a big lie. And prior to it, we 73 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: had scary Steve and Nick and me and some other people. Okay, 74 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 3: if we catch him doing this, he's fired, right, I mean, 75 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: that's how much we hated this guy. He did it. 76 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 3: We caught him that night, Nick didn't. 77 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: He didn't fire him. 78 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: So I have my own ideas of why Nick didn't 79 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 3: fire him. 80 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: Well, he was probably sleeping with him, okay, said yeah, 81 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean the man was obvious. So this is the 82 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: whole other thing about out how you know, we had 83 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: to remember it was the eighties that being gay was 84 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: somewhat of a crime. It was like you just did not. 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,679 Speaker 1: I mean, my uncle passed away from AIDS in nineteen 86 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: eighty three or four, and I was very privy to all, Like, 87 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, that's a whole other conversation. So I do 88 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: remember that as a child, going, oh, this is not 89 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: something that anyone is okay with you. 90 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: In the club, it wasn't a big gill And I 91 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: don't I want to say, I don't think it was 92 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 3: a big hill because we were all in there together, 93 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: so nobody really cared you. We're not judging. 94 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: You insulated and isolated, right right? But so he In 95 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: the series also they Andrew Reynold plays his boyfriend who 96 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: was also a big financier. 97 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, but he was I 98 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 3: left the club. 99 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: Oh so he was. 100 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 3: After I left club, and the touring was after I 101 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: left the club changed. I got into it. Women would 102 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: call the club about getting guys to do a bachelorette part, 103 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: so I would take the call and I would send 104 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 3: the guys out, and that way, the guys got the money, 105 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: and they gave me, you know, a split on the 106 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: money as well, and never gave it to the club 107 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: because it was fair that the guys sure got this. 108 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: That was my thinking. Nick found out about that and 109 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: said I was cheating the club and we got into 110 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: a big thing, and so he said, well you're fired, 111 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: and I said, well, I quit before you fire me. 112 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 3: And then I just let him know how I thought, 113 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: you know what I thought of him. But Jerry, Denbergh, 114 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: Gary and Steve, they all loved me. When I moved 115 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: to California, Steve reached out to me if I needed 116 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: anything or anything. That's what I'm saying was nice to me. 117 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: I had no issues with Steve energy wow. But because 118 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: of that, which is what I wanted to say before, 119 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: that was about greed. Yes, it was Steve's greed. Nick 120 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: really just want I can't believe I'm saying nice about Nick. 121 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: But Nick wanted to get away from him, so he 122 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: came up with a very equitable deal. But it wasn't 123 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 3: good enough for Steve. 124 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: Right, it was all about greedy. 125 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: So by me writing all of these letters, this was 126 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: before any of that happened. This is when I was 127 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: working there and typing the letters. I have everything from them. 128 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: I never threw anything out. I have all the letters. 129 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Nick's contract. I have a threatening letter 130 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: from an attorney, Swave's attorney to Nick. I have everything. 131 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: I kept everything. 132 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: Did they did the FBI or the police ever question you? 133 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: Nope, no one ever never came to me for it. 134 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: Me because it seems like they were thinking it was 135 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of diffferent people, like including his boyfriend 136 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: or lover. It seems like they were really together. I 137 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: don't know, but then his previous boyfriend, like it seems like. 138 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 3: See, I didn't know about any of those if he 139 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: had a boyfriend or lover. 140 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: While I was there, you really didn't know. 141 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: I had no idea, But I don't think he did 142 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: at that time. I think he had random hookups for sure, 143 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: but I don't think he had a boyfriend. 144 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: Right. 145 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: I remember him going to hire one of the guys, 146 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 3: and you know, we had two black guys in the club. 147 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: But again, that wasn't an on purpose thing. 148 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't so new or your frient right New York. 149 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 3: It wasn't they just you know, a thing would go 150 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: out and saying if you want to be you know, 151 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: so a lot of the staff came from modeling agents. 152 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: Only one black guy showed up and we hired him. 153 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: He was a good looking guy. His name was Mike. Yeah, 154 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: he was awesome. But Nick wanted to hire a black 155 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: lead dancer, and he did. But the night that you know, 156 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 3: we had no we had a meeting and he said, no, 157 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: I'm not interested. You know, this isn't for me. And 158 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 3: Nick I was staying at Nick's apartment. This was on 159 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 3: the Upper West Side and West End Avenue seventy and 160 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: he said, well, you go home tonight, you know, you 161 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 3: go back to New Jersey and I'm like, oh, okay, 162 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 3: and he said, oh, he's coming over. I don't want 163 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: to say his name because she's around, and he said, 164 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 3: and I don't know what happened, but he said, oh, 165 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 3: he's coming over here. And the next day he said, oh, 166 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: he's going to be working. Oh, so right, what happened? 167 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: He was very persuasive. Yeah, I don't guess, but. 168 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: I'm honest to God, do not know very happened. I 169 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: just know what happened after the fact. Yeah, so it 170 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 3: wasn't racism, right, you know. Right, we also got shut 171 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: down because the New York liquor license because men couldn't 172 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: come into the club. 173 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: Wait, they shut down the liquor license because right, baby, 174 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: sit them. 175 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: Drinking, come into the club and put them in the 176 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 3: VIP room, like what guys wanted to come in? 177 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's safe to say so many but 178 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: there are so many elements to this whole situation that 179 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: are so crazy and and but also about a sign 180 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: of the times, right, Like so much of it was that. 181 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: But the thing about them that was all about greed. 182 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 3: That is why Nick was murdered. That's clear because of greed. 183 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so. 184 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 3: We haven't even touched on so much. 185 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: But he so so all right, I greed sounds exact 186 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: to me as to why. But I do think it's 187 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: curious that the story nobody really is it nobody. I 188 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: haven't heard anyone say, well, that's not true. Okay, there 189 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: are a couple of people in some of the documentaries 190 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: that say, why I didn't like Nick that much or 191 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: I didn't, but nobody really makes it seem like he 192 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: was not a very well liked guy. 193 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: It was not. I could put you on the phone 194 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: with ten different people. 195 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: So was everybody when this happened, was the general thought. 196 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: And died, yes, when he died, When. 197 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: He lived, I don't know what went on. I know 198 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: what they've told me since, but I can only speak 199 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: to when I was there. And that's the thing that 200 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: upsets me so much about watching this show. I thought 201 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: it was horrible. I really thought it was horrible. And 202 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: my opinion may be skewed because that's not what Chippendale's 203 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 3: was about. Right, you haven't even touched on, right, what 204 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: Chippendales was about, and what went on in the club 205 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: and behind the scenes, and the sense and the drugs. 206 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: That get into it. 207 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: Right, Okay, we can do that but I'm saying that's 208 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: not what this story is. Right. So when a woman 209 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 3: comes out of oh I was the producer of the club, 210 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: No you weren't. 211 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: Oh that must be soft on the tour. 212 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 3: Okay, but then just say I produced the tour, right, 213 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: don't say you produced the clay because you didn't. It 214 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 3: was me, myself and right that did it. There was 215 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 3: no one else. So let's show so when they show things, 216 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: it's just inaccurate and they're not giving New York it's due, right, 217 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: And I don't know who everybody has a story about 218 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: working at Chippendale, right, Okay, I believe you one of 219 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: the guys that I hired off of a dance floor 220 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: because he came in that night and he was just dancing, 221 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: and someone one of the girls worked in the club 222 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 3: came up to the office and said, look at the 223 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: get that guy, because I had two way mirror. 224 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 4: Oh did you look down eighties down on the dance floor, 225 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 4: look at that guy dancing? 226 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: And who's a good looking guy? Who was a big guy. 227 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 3: And so we went down and even then I said 228 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: to her come with me, because I even wanted to 229 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: be a guy walking up to it. 230 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: Wait, tell me about this double mirror. Where was it 231 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: you mean over. 232 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 3: Looking my club? But then were you into the club? 233 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: That is like that is just that should be in 234 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: the movie because that's like a very movie thing. That's 235 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: a very cinematic thing. So you could just watch just 236 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: like check out what's going on. Were you ever like, hey, 237 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: get me gentlemen number six to come? 238 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: No? No, But I went down with her because everybody 239 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: knew they had to come to me for that. I 240 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: saw him, I said, okay, let's go down. I said, 241 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: but you have to come with me, because I wasn't 242 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: going to be a guy walking up to a guy, right. 243 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 3: And so we started talking and he and I are friends. 244 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: His name is Scott, and he and I have two 245 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 3: different versions of what happened that night. 246 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: Really yeah, well. 247 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: He extends my version. My version stops at a certain point. 248 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: And then he said, but do you remember what happened 249 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: when we went up to VIP room? 250 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, tell me about a typical night 251 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: at Chippendale's for you, or even a specific night like 252 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: what did your actual what did what did the do 253 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: you get there? 254 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: You get there like at four o'clock or I mean 255 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: I had to be there all day just for gill or. 256 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: Work, right, administrative type things. 257 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just dealing with whatever. And then you know, 258 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 3: I think the guys would come in around six. I 259 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: think it don't hold me to that because I can't remember, 260 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: and everyone start getting ready and then the doors would open. 261 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: Oh no, they had to come in before six of 262 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 3: the door started six. Yeah, so they had to come in, 263 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: but like by five. 264 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: Five were you like greeting people when they came in? 265 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: Did you become like sort of a part of the 266 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: thing or how to know? 267 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: But you know, like you were having all the Broadway women. 268 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 3: We did a night of all the New York soap operas, 269 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 3: all the women from the New York City. Yeah, Anita Morris, 270 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: who start in a Broadway show called nine with Ryan 271 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: Julie Yeh came in Brookshields came in Silvester stallone and. 272 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: So would you sort of yeah, and. 273 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: I would, but you know that's when Nick. 274 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: Would really shine. I'm sure he'd really get out there, right. 275 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 3: And I used to So here's the club up here, 276 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: like a in a like a look like a hand. 277 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: That's the DJ booth, right, and so they would we 278 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: have a camera there they'd video the show every night 279 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 3: so I could give notes to the guys. I have 280 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 3: one of those nights on video. You do, yeah, no 281 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: one else says it from January twentieth, nineteen eighty four. 282 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: Oh wow, of the entire show. 283 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: Of the entire show. 284 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: And then right next to the DJ booth was also 285 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: on top was the VIP You know, there was a 286 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 3: bar up there and a bathroom up there which was 287 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: used to do code. 288 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: Got it right? So was that just the whole deal? 289 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: Everybody is doing cocaine and drinking the whole time, everybody. 290 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: Right, now, you have to remember that well again, to 291 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: begin with, no men were allowed in the club until 292 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 3: this whole thing with the New York Liquor Authority where 293 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 3: we had to allow men in because I said that 294 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: I don't even. 295 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: I do not understand. Oh they said it was discriminatory, right, 296 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: but interesting. 297 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: So, and I don't even know who complained. But the 298 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 3: men were allowed to come in and then go stand 299 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: in the VIP room. But there weren't a whole lot 300 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: of men that came in, so it was just like 301 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 3: a thing, right Ironically, I have all the video from 302 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: you know, all the news reports from opening night, which 303 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 3: is you know, kind of funny. When we're done, I 304 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: can show it to you. It's really funny, especially then 305 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 3: women with the New York accent, with the New York 306 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 3: yeah like that. 307 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: So the women, these like ladies were all doing cocaine too. 308 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, just the people working there. 309 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: It was like you had a an age gap in 310 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 3: the women. Oh yeah, they were all there for the 311 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 3: same thing, right, they were all there for the same thing. 312 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 3: But the younger women would be doing coke. They would 313 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 3: you know, be having sex with the guys there. You know, 314 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 3: during the summer. 315 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: Did were ever shut down for that? Is there anything 316 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: technically illegal about that about people having in well, doing cocaine? Yes, 317 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: it was illegal even then. 318 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: Right, I mean against the law to have sex. 319 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: That's what I was doing, right, So it actually isn't 320 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: against the law to have sex. So there's no. 321 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 3: So during the summer, because it was nice outside, and 322 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: we're on sixty first and first. 323 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: Oh is that where it was sixty first and first? 324 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: Oh wow? 325 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 3: So right and right there river is the fifty ninth 326 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 3: Street bridge and the Roosevelt Tram, and the Roosevelt Tram 327 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: used to go right over the club. Oh wow, so 328 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: during the summer, we would take women up to the 329 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: roof of the club. 330 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: The roof. This is one of my questions, is one 331 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: of my notes. 332 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: We tell me about the women up to the roof 333 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: of the club. And there were a lot of people 334 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: having sex on the roof of the club, and you know, 335 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: like you there, you there, you're you know, all over. 336 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: But the thing was the tram. 337 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: If you were in the tram, could you see these. 338 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 3: We were looking up at the tram and the people 339 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: in the tram were looking down. 340 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: Oh wait, how many people you think started taking the tram? 341 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: Just oh, like it's ten thirty. Let's get on that 342 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: tram and check out the roof. 343 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: The customers in the club, I mean right. None of 344 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 3: the men who came into the club did that. It 345 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: was only the guys who worked there. 346 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: Only the guys who worked there would go. So was 347 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: there any expectation when people were hired two things? Was 348 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: there an expectation that they would do that if asked, No, 349 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: it was like it was a job or anything. 350 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 3: It was like, if you're a red blooded American male 351 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: of a certain age, you're in this. You don't have 352 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 3: to force them, right, It's it's but you're in this environment. 353 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 3: All these women are drunk in horny. Right, got to 354 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: just a story one night, and I'm not going to 355 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 3: repeat his story because it's his story, but it was 356 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: kind of disgusting, but it just kept going. 357 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: Now, wait, what you're gonna have do? 358 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 4: You can't just say that they were engaged, not in intercourse, okay, okay. 359 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: Something of a sexual nature, yes, okay. 360 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: And this woman was doing this to one of the 361 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: dances mm hmm and then got sick. 362 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: Oh oh no. 363 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: And then when she was done being sick, she went 364 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 3: she went back to continue. 365 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: Oh oh, all parties involved? 366 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 5: I say you, yes, but I'm saying there's like stuff 367 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 5: about that, like people, but you know, well this happened, 368 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 5: and this happened. I'm like, that's not what happened, you know, 369 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 5: Oh do the gega and like, no, that's not what 370 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 5: happened either, Like. 371 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: Where are you getting this? And so when other people 372 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 3: come in, such as the people who wrote this book 373 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: who I don't know, and the people who did this show, 374 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 3: I say, shame on you. Shame on you for doing 375 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: this show when you don't know the whole story, right, 376 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 3: you know. 377 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: So then what do you think this is something we 378 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: talk about actually a lot on this podcast in particular, 379 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: is what, like how much agency do people have to 380 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: tell stories when you're talking about real events that have happened, 381 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: Like how much agency they are? Shouldn't they have, you know, 382 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 1: in telling a story? 383 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 3: But that's like what we're doing right now. You're interviewing me. 384 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 3: You're asking me to tell you a story. I am 385 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: telling you my story, my life. This is what happened 386 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 3: in my life. My life experience is not somebody told me, right, 387 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: so this is me. 388 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: And then if I went and said, Okay, I'm going 389 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: to tell your story now and then as a movie, 390 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: and I make this movie and it is not reflective 391 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: at all of what you told me, then that's a problem, 392 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: right yeah. Yeah. 393 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: So I don't know again who the people were who 394 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: wrote the book or who the people were who produced 395 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 3: this show. Either they were there and witnessed it, which 396 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: I don't believe somebody told them a story, They made 397 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 3: them for the story, and they went with it. Right, 398 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: Shame on you, because if you really look, there were 399 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 3: people that were there. All the guys who worked for 400 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 3: me have been asking me for years, Jay, you work 401 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 3: in Hollywood, isn't there any way to do this, And 402 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: I want to do this as a television series. I 403 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 3: want this to be a streaming series because you can 404 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 3: tell really what happened. You can recreate really what happened. 405 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 3: And if you're not going to tell the true story 406 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 3: of a true story, it's not like you're making stuff. 407 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 3: You had an idea and you're writing this. This is 408 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: a true story. If you're not going to tell the truth, 409 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 3: why bother? 410 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: Why do you think there is I I don't even 411 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: know the answer to this of why there was this 412 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: this like resurgence? Why did they make this serious? 413 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: Time? Is what I was told. So that's when I 414 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 3: did the documentary A and E. Again, I was very specific, right, 415 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: but it's oh true crime, everybody loves true crime. I'm like, okay, 416 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 3: but that didn't happen till later? What? Right? 417 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: There were all these years. 418 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: I did the murder happen? Right? You have to go 419 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 3: back and figure out why? What? What's this place? What 420 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 3: happened in this place? How did it? You know? And 421 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: it's not just a story. 422 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: For women, No, no, of course not. This is what 423 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean. There are so many facets to this entire thing. 424 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: I personally had no idea. As I said, when we started, 425 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: I thought that Chippendale's was, you know, just this sort 426 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: of like one little like club where men took off 427 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: their shirts and women, you know, class and so I 428 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: had no idea. 429 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 3: I mean, there were our first act was the Unknown Comic. Oh, yes, 430 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 3: second act. So I didn't even know that. 431 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: The Unknown Comic came from Chippendales. I knew about the 432 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: Unknown Comic, but I didn't know that it originated there. 433 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 3: I don't think it were regional. I think it a 434 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 3: ripoff of the Unknown. Oh, I think it was that way. 435 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: But we had Conan the Barbarian, We had a construction 436 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 3: worker thing, we had the perfect man. They used that 437 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 3: in there. And the guy who originated it in La 438 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 3: came and did in New York and he's still around 439 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 3: and he does interviews and so on. But again, big 440 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 3: brotherhood of what we did. But when I hear things 441 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 3: that just weren't the case in my experience. Now that's 442 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 3: not to say you didn't experience this. It's just like 443 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 3: Scott and I talking and I'm like, you remember, he goes, 444 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: you remember the night you hired me? And I'm like, yeah, 445 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 3: this girl brought me down and we started talking and 446 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 3: I said, do you want to work here? And blah 447 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 3: blah blah. He says, yeah, but do you remember what 448 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: happened when we went up to the VIP room. I'm like, 449 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: I really don't you have a recollection of it. And 450 00:25:56,040 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that what he said happened didn't test right, 451 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: saying you don't remember, I don't remember it? 452 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: Is it? 453 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: Do you think you didn't remember because you were too 454 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: high or there are many things too high? 455 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: Probably I can't think of another reason. Like I was 456 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 3: using that little bathroom in the. 457 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: VIP right right, when did anyone ever sleep? Because they 458 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: closed that for right? What we're to do right New 459 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: York is the clock. 460 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. We would go back to my apartment, a bunch 461 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 3: of guys and I. The game Trivial Pursuit had just 462 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 3: come out at that time, so we'd say table. 463 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: It looked very different when I played it with my family. 464 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. 465 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: And if you got the answer right, you did a hit. 466 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 3: If nobody got an answer right, everybody did it. So 467 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 3: we were up till early the next morning. 468 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: Because then it extends and then and then you have 469 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: to go back to work. 470 00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 471 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: That so one of these, it's almost like a cult 472 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: to get like Arry talking about. 473 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 3: Larry the owner, one of the owners introduced me to 474 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: drinking casis and soda, like to get over a hangover 475 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: and to get over and you know. And the thing 476 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 3: he said to me is, do you want to ride 477 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: the bus? You got to pay the fare. So I 478 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 3: never forgot that either. 479 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: So maybe so. 480 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 3: There's so much more. It's as hard to remember all 481 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 3: of it. But again I thought that, you know, because 482 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: I was told this is going to be about this 483 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 3: Welcome to Chippendale's, and I said, I thought it sucked. 484 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 3: I didn't like it. And I was told to say, well, say. 485 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: That, Yeah, you definitely can't. 486 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: Saying that it sucked. I didn't like it, right, but 487 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: even down to tell. 488 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: Us how you really feel, Jay, I wish you would. 489 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: Even down to because I rewatched it in the La Club, 490 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: which they didn't have in the La Club, but there 491 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 3: was a spiral metal staircase. 492 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: Going, oh yes, we was in New York. 493 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: In New York getting from the dressing room up to that. 494 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: Would that put a be in my bonnet too? 495 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 3: We had that? But no, But again I'm saying just 496 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 3: because there are so many inaccuracies on the way like 497 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: the turquoise yeah, you know, stanch not stanchions, but there 498 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 3: was the things around the club. We had that right 499 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: in La in New York. 500 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 501 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: The way you're portraying this, it's just not accurate. 502 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: I do think this isn't. This is a really interesting 503 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: and important point because I spoke with Sarah Edmondson, who 504 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: was in the cult nexium. I don't know familiar with 505 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: this call it is like a horrific from Yes, Alison 506 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: Mack was one of the women in it as well, 507 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: but she we we had a conversation and she was 508 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: we were talking for a little bit about one of 509 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: the movies. It was a lifetime movie made about that, 510 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: and she was just like, it's just wrong. It's just wrong. 511 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: You know, the way she's portrayed as wrong. The things 512 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: that they're saying is wrong. And you know, in that circumstance, 513 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, I feel like that's dangerous to be doing it. 514 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: In this case, it's sort of like it's entertainment, I guess, 515 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: but it feels like where's the why not get it right? 516 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: Why not get it right? Is my question racked? 517 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 3: And this isn't. This was not entertaining this was about 518 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 3: a murder. Yeah, that's not what Chippendale's was about, right. 519 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that it is still and 520 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know this, that it's still in Vegas in 521 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: Vegas right. 522 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 3: As well? Yes, I guess I didn't know about still touring. 523 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: Because the fat Let me look at my little notes 524 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: here and make sure I'm not wrong. I'm very organized, 525 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: as you can see. Can you tell that I'm an 526 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: Aquarius and my s H I T is all over 527 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: the place. Yeah, it's a staple of Vegas strip and 528 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: still has a successful in Vegas. 529 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: It's at the Rio. 530 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: I think, gosh, so to be able to this, this 531 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: is the other thing. What did you think of that? 532 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 3: Any different? Different? It's a stage show, so it doesn't 533 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: have the excitement of being in the realm and being 534 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 3: a part of it. Everybody was a part of this show, right, 535 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 3: that's a stage show. Oh we could bring her up 536 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: from the state, right now, that's one different. It's not so. 537 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: When you're saying this exactly like you you really become 538 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: enmeshed in the experience, right, like in the fabric of 539 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: the whole thing, which I'm sure was a big draw. 540 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: Whether people understood. That's partially why they were doing it. 541 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: But did was there ever anything that happens, like someone 542 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: gets hurt unintentionally or something gets violent or anything. That's 543 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: what I think is amazing. 544 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 3: None of that ever happened. To my knowledge, that happened. 545 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 3: But again, that's why I'm saying to you, the way 546 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 3: they portrayed the New York Club in this television show, 547 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 3: that's not that's not what it was. It's just not. 548 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that must be so frustrated. 549 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 3: Club was more accurate than here than there, except you 550 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: had not good enough looking guys. It's working. 551 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: That is so funny that you say that, because I 552 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 1: was thinking that when I was watching it. I was like, Oh, 553 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: this is so interesting that they're not really that attractive. 554 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: And then I went back to all the imagery that 555 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: I had. 556 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 3: Where they're like I had like one group photo of 557 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 3: me and the whole staff. 558 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: And I love to see that. 559 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 3: You look at these guys, they're good looking guys and 560 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 3: and nice guys, and like I said, they're still you know, 561 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 3: friends of mine and Sinjoy. You got to make a 562 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 3: TV show about this, You got to do it. And 563 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm trying, how you do I want to do. 564 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: This, well, let's do it. 565 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 3: Do it? 566 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: Get it going? 567 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 3: Yes, but I do, But I want to tell an 568 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 3: honest portray it. 569 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: So what would you write? You would want it to 570 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: be about the actual in New York, for. 571 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 3: Sure, How it started in New York, what we went 572 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 3: through in that club, and as the club became more popular, 573 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 3: how things started to get out there. 574 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: Right. 575 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 3: That is, and the drugs. Everyone was kneeling coke, and 576 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: everyone was having sex all the time. 577 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: And it just, I mean sounds like a pretty fun 578 00:32:53,440 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: place to work with you get out of lot. I 579 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: find it kind of shocking that there are so many 580 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: tragedies and murders and attempted murders and all these things, 581 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: and yet it's still like the company just keeps going, 582 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, like it overcame all of those things, even 583 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: when he when Steve was you know, arrested, and and 584 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 1: then he kills himself, Like it just it's sort of 585 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: stunning to me that it just still kept going. 586 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, but all of that I don't believe would have 587 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: happened had they not talked to each other and been greedy. 588 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: And I guess there was about had they just talked 589 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 3: to each other but their egos, Nicks, especially in New York. 590 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 3: The Marquis so where at Magique so big, you know, 591 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 3: Turquoise Marquee with orange ritings says in small letters Magique 592 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:25,919 Speaker 3: presents big letters, Chippendale smaller letters conceived, written, produced and 593 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 3: directed by Nick Denoyd. 594 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 1: Right, that's that's an enormous ego. Enormous Yeah, I mean, 595 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: that's that's what cost him his life. 596 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And they that's the other thing 597 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 3: they got wrong. Tell me the biggest thing, the biggest 598 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 3: glaring mistake they made. They did not portray Nick as 599 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 3: a bad guy. 600 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: No, that's what I mean. I'm saying. I'm going, I 601 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: can't leave. The story is really skewed towards just sure, 602 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: he was kind of challenging, but it was because he 603 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: was so creatively brilliant and really wanted the best. 604 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 3: Very creative. Did want the best. 605 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely, But that's all they say. There is no one 606 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: but everyone. 607 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 3: I mean, not a good guy in how he treated people, right, 608 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 3: definitely not a good guy. And how he treated me. Also, 609 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 3: this is funny thing. Never understood this. At the time. 610 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 3: He had a dog, a Dalmatian. The dog's name was Doroth. Right, mm, hmm. 611 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 4: I did not understand what that meant, like Dorothy Stratton. 612 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 4: No no, no, no no no, like Dorothy like different, 613 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 4: like a gay thing, of course, But I why would I. 614 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 3: I used to take care of this dog, sweet little Dalmatian, 615 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 3: not little. She was big, but never never got it, 616 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 3: never got it. But actually you're saying Dorothy Shatton. Maybe 617 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 3: I don't know if Nick was around that. 618 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: Dorothy she was that he was around that. 619 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 3: But I didn't know anything about that. It's funny because 620 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: I did have once a few years ago, a conversation 621 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 3: with Jennifer o Nia, Oh you did, there's something totally different, 622 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 3: And I said to her, by the way I worked 623 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 3: for Nick and Jim, you and I, oh boy, we 624 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 3: never did that. We never did. 625 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: But how when you say he was terrible, he was 626 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: terrible to you? You mean he when. 627 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 3: He's screaming and berating all the time in front of 628 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 3: it everyone. Oh God made you. 629 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: Feel like that, very very very very right. 630 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 3: Right? You don't treat people. 631 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: That's one of my least favorite qualities in a human 632 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: being is someone who treats people that way, with that 633 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: specific you can see it is the need that they 634 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: need to feel bigger, they need to be in control 635 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: of things. 636 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 3: As I mentioned, I'm from New York and I'm from 637 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 3: a family that unfortunately, one person in this family treated 638 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 3: me like that, And so as you grow up, that's 639 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 3: what you know, right, right, So coming out here and 640 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 3: having the success that I've had, you know, whoever has 641 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 3: the loudest voice when? But never, in my head was 642 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 3: I doing anything wrong by raising my voice, because it 643 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 3: was just the volume of my voice, not the intent 644 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 3: in what I was saying. And so but I learned 645 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 3: years after. I wish I would have learned it earlier. 646 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 3: You can't talk to people like that. But I would 647 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 3: always preach that. I was like, everybody has to be 648 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 3: spoken to with respect, talk to people like you want 649 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 3: to be spoken to. And yet I would do it. 650 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 3: But and I really analyze myself with doing it, because 651 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 3: to this day it makes me feel like I beat 652 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 3: myself up. 653 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: So you feel like you treated people that way too, 654 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? 655 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 3: Yes, because it was all that I. 656 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: Knew, normalized in a way. 657 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 3: But at least people always knew that it was never 658 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 3: my intention to be disrespectful. And I would always when 659 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 3: it was brought to my attention or when I realized 660 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 3: that I would always make a phone call apologize like 661 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, you didn't mean to speak to you 662 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 3: that way, and still to today. But I'm very, very 663 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 3: very self conscious of it. And and that's just years ago, 664 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 3: aweary and right thinking about it, and you you know 665 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 3: you can't do that, and you know correct it right away. Yeah, 666 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 3: And the reaction from people is like, oh, well, you 667 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 3: didn't need to I'm like, no, I did, right, I 668 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 3: need it to call you to apologize for me, right. 669 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 3: That's important to me that you know that and that 670 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 3: you can understand people are amazed the reaction I get that. 671 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: I that I there isn't a lot of accountability. There 672 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: isn't it from people today. 673 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 3: Accountable, you know. And I beat myself up then. Now 674 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,720 Speaker 3: Luckily for me, ninety nine percent of the time, I'm good, 675 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 3: but just like everybody else, some days I'm not as 676 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 3: good as others. Some days I have a bad day. 677 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 3: But as long as I can account for it, yes, 678 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 3: at least that makes it a little better. But I 679 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 3: beat myself up like crazy. But I think that behavior 680 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 3: comes from how I was treated as a kid and working. 681 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 1: For well and it probably then if you had it before, 682 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: and working for Nick, there was probably a part of 683 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: you that went, oh, I know how to handle this. 684 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: You know I can. I can, But I got more 685 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: because I know how to handle it. I mean, sure, 686 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: you're in your twenties. 687 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 3: I still want you're cocade. 688 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: In your twenties making a lot of money. 689 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 3: I in New York City, my salary sour was four 690 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,879 Speaker 3: hundred dollars a week. 691 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: Was oh my god, it was another time. This is 692 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: what What about the dancers? 693 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 2: What? 694 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: What did they get paid? 695 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 3: I could probably look at compacts, but I honestly don't remember. 696 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 3: Was I don't even remember what the I mean? 697 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: Could they pay rent and things with it? Were they 698 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: making a lot of money relatively. 699 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 3: At the time. Well, don't forget you also had to get. 700 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,760 Speaker 1: The kiss and tip, Kiss and tip talk about nothing 701 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: says pre COVID like kiss and tip. 702 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 3: So but I'm just saying, everybody's got their thing. So 703 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 3: if anybody has a problem with me, yeah, after this podcast, 704 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,640 Speaker 3: Oh I can't wait of me telling my truth. 705 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: I hope they all direct message me and tell me 706 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: all of their personal thoughts about what they don't like 707 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,799 Speaker 1: about what you said. 708 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,319 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure they will I'm sure you'll hear from 709 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 3: that woman. 710 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,160 Speaker 1: Appointed because I first of all, personally loved Juliet Lewis. 711 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: She's such a like she's just a sweet heart, like 712 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: she's a big heart, and she's fiercely talented. I just 713 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: love her. So I wanted her. I wanted that person 714 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 1: to be like I wanted you to say, oh, based 715 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: on her. I know it's not based on her, but 716 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 1: it's sort of person like. 717 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was no in our club at least. 718 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they do. They call it like a imposite character, 719 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: but her amalgamation. But anyway, Yeah, I was hoping that 720 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: she was like a real that you were going to say, 721 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,760 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I just love that candle. 722 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,359 Speaker 3: When I started working there, Nick had an assistant at 723 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 3: the La Club, Bonnie. What's her name. She was a sweet, 724 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 3: little little old lady. But look at that time, I 725 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 3: was in twenty five. Yeah she is thirty, yes, but 726 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,760 Speaker 3: she looked way older, right, but very sweet. I stayed 727 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 3: at her house when I came out here, and she 728 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 3: lived right literally up the street from Disney. Oh my gosh. 729 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 3: And so what do I know about Orange County? 730 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: Right right, right right? I mean from New York. I mean, 731 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 1: there's nothing probably more diametrically opposed. It's New York City then. 732 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 3: But you know, I'm sure people will let you know, 733 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,479 Speaker 3: well he's lying. That didn't happen. And you know that's 734 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 3: why I'm giving this all. And I keep saying, this 735 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 3: is my life, this is my experience. I can't speak 736 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 3: for your so don't speak for more. Right, you know, 737 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 3: this is what happened in my life. Oh you don't. 738 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 3: You don't like what I say. You're entitled to your opinion, right, 739 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 3: you're wrong, but you're titled to your opinion. 740 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we've spoken today because I didn't 741 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: really think about when I knew that we were obviously 742 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: speaking today. I didn't really think about it from the 743 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 1: perspective of how frustrating that must be to have because 744 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: it isn't like it was a little show that maybe 745 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: a couple people watched, you know, it was nominated for 746 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: Emmy's with a huge cast of very prominent people, like 747 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: it was a very big show. And I can't imagine 748 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 1: how frustrating that must be to just be like, that's 749 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,120 Speaker 1: not how it happened. I just learned. And I don't 750 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: know if you know this that his son is he 751 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: is an exotic dancer and does like. 752 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 3: That from watching the Ana documentary. Yes, yeah, but that 753 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 3: he's not how do well? Or he's not. 754 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: Right, I don't know. 755 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. I met him as a baby, right right, 756 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 3: I never. 757 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: Knew that multiple Emmys for Welcomer Shippendale's look. 758 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 3: Everybody deserves what they get. I don't have anything negative. 759 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: As a piece of entertainment. The performances are terrific. I 760 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,399 Speaker 1: think they're all great. 761 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 3: And as I said, my objection is that's not the 762 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,240 Speaker 3: story of Chipping. 763 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: I got you. I was going to say, what's the 764 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: one thing that no scripted? Because I think you're probably 765 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: gonna disagree, because if you get to do your series, 766 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: you'll be able to do this. But what do you 767 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,399 Speaker 1: think that there is the one thing that you could 768 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: never fully capture about the experience of that club and 769 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: of that time. 770 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,840 Speaker 3: I don't know, because I feel if I do my 771 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,200 Speaker 3: show the way I want to tell this story, it's 772 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 3: all going to be true, and I'll bet you that 773 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,760 Speaker 3: they'll be thousands of people that hate. 774 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: It, right right, I know you're going to say, but 775 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: there'll be thousands of people taking that Roosevelt Tramp. When 776 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,640 Speaker 1: you are shooting the scenes on the roof. 777 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 3: The club's not there anymore. From what I hear, the 778 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 3: club is gone. 779 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it sounds like kind of when everything was 780 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 1: really starting to explode and become successful and the excess 781 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: and all of that. Could you tell this is all 782 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: gonna unravel, something's gonna know. 783 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 3: Because it's like I was saying before, when you're in 784 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 3: the middle of it, even if I'm yelling at somebody 785 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 3: or something, when you're in it, you're in it, so 786 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 3: you're not thinking about anything outside. You're in it. And 787 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 3: and it was like they say, what I was saying 788 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 3: about Steve hindsight is twenty twenty. I probably wouldn't have 789 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,240 Speaker 3: yelled at him until said that his brain was turning 790 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 3: to mush and what's wrong with him? And what's wrong 791 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 3: with people living in California. I'm a Californi now more 792 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,400 Speaker 3: than I am a New Yorker, although I'll always be 793 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 3: a New Yorker. Yeah. Notice how I said new Yorker 794 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,280 Speaker 3: and not in New Yorker new Yorker. 795 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so me, we lose that, we lose it. 796 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 3: But it's had I known that, and I'm really glad 797 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,080 Speaker 3: that I didn't know any of it. I probably wouldn't 798 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 3: have spoken to him, right because I would have been 799 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 3: petrified that I get killed, right right, I'm glad I didn't. 800 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 3: When I'm glad I had the relationship with him that 801 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,200 Speaker 3: I did, because when all is said and done, I 802 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 3: loved working at Chippendale's. I had the best relationships. I 803 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 3: had the best time. I used to get all people 804 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 3: who would call me, oh, can I come into the club? Right? 805 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 3: You know, I was a big deal. 806 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big deal. 807 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 3: From the night that they they turned me on to coke. 808 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: You know, is that the first time we did cocaine 809 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: was there, got. 810 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,959 Speaker 3: It at the backbar during a rehearsal during a run through, 811 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 3: two of the guys took me into the bathroom and 812 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 3: I started drinking chilled Gramagnier because I never drank alcohol, Grandamarnier, 813 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 3: chilled Gramagnier shot right right, right, right right. And I 814 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,839 Speaker 3: know the guy who did you taught me that too. 815 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 3: Oh and there's just so many stories. Yeah, yeah that happened. 816 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,839 Speaker 1: I want to see this series. I want to see it. 817 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: I want to see it. Somebody make it, somebody make 818 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: it right. I can't even tell you how what a 819 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,839 Speaker 1: pleasure this has been for me. You're a joy, You're hilarious, 820 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: You're lovely, you're smart, you're it's just been such a joy. 821 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: I love it. And what a life you have lived 822 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,879 Speaker 1: and continue to live in all of the ways. So 823 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: I am like you, just you got it in the eyes. 824 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 1: You can see if you can see in this man's eyes, 825 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: he's got the sparkle you. 826 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I really appreciate that. Look. I 827 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 3: am who I am. You know, I can't be anybody else. 828 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 3: My enthusiasm, that's just who I am. My involvement. I 829 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,200 Speaker 3: love the entertainment business. I love doing what I do. Yeah, 830 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 3: I absolutely love doing what I do. I love representing 831 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 3: the people I represent, the relationships that I have with them, 832 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 3: and I've represented quite a few. 833 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: You have big star people behind. 834 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 3: Yous B and I. I love what I do. 835 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 836 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 3: But I've also learned, like I said, never tell a 837 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 3: lie because then you always have to remember yep, or 838 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 3: you have to then cover for yourself yep. 839 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,880 Speaker 1: I think people, especially in entertainment, it's very rare that 840 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: people are accountable. It's very rare that people get the truth. 841 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,400 Speaker 1: So I think It's a tremendous value in life, but 842 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,319 Speaker 1: certainly and certainly in relationships of any kind, but in 843 00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: this industry, I am sure that all of your clients 844 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: appreciate it because they always feel like they will be protected, 845 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: that they will truly understand what they are signing up 846 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,960 Speaker 1: for or what they're showing up to. You know. That's 847 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: I tell people. 848 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 3: The entertainment business is based on relationships. No matter what agent, manager, lawyer, producer, director, 849 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,800 Speaker 3: Everything is a relationship. 850 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 851 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 3: You never know who you're going to talk to, who 852 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,880 Speaker 3: you're going to meet, so it's no sweat off your 853 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 3: back to be nice and coming. Yes, And so I've 854 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 3: learned that my career and I'm proud of the relationships 855 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 3: that I have and the people that I work with. 856 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. That's you know what my parents 857 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: always said the same thing. My mom that was always 858 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: always what she's still alive. My dad is not, but 859 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,839 Speaker 1: she always That's what they taught us there is you 860 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: just treat people with respect and kindness is the way to. 861 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 3: Speak as you want to be spoken to. 862 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,439 Speaker 1: Yep, I love it. Your joy. 863 00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,799 Speaker 3: I'm so happy to meet you. Thank you so much 864 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,000 Speaker 3: for me, Thank you for doing this. I appreciate it. 865 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,879 Speaker 1: Okay, well you'll come back when you're talking about your show, yes, 866 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,839 Speaker 1: and then I will say, you know, I wasn't there. 867 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 1: I love it.