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Speaker 3: Here we go. This is a Tuesday, man. We got

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Speaker 3: One hour from now.

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Speaker 1: The Herd Hierarchy, Nick Wright stop by jam at You know.

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Speaker 1: I love Bonnix and Sean Paton. I picked them to

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Speaker 1: win their division. But Sean Payton's history is he's thirty

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Speaker 1: and thirty in September, he up the offense. He loaded

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Speaker 1: it up with Drew Brees, who struggled early with Sean Payton.

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Speaker 1: He loads it up with bow Nicks. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of mistakes until.

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Speaker 3: Last night feting Jing Browning. Yes, here we get excited.

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Speaker 1: So turning a football team around is hard, but it's

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Speaker 1: not that hard. There's a reason Parcells did it over

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Speaker 1: and over and over. There's a reason Hardbod does it

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Speaker 1: over and over and over. Some people are smarter, some

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Speaker 1: people have a better eye for talent. It's not that hard.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton took over Denver. They were in cap hell.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson is still their number one.

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Speaker 3: Cap hit today.

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Speaker 1: They were five and twelve, worst scoring offense in the league.

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Speaker 1: Lowsy offensive line, very little skill today. Start of year three,

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Speaker 3: Everywhere in the perimeter.

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Speaker 1: How many guys do they have that can run and

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Speaker 1: catch a lot? They'll also lead the NFL in sacks

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Speaker 1: for the second straight year. I love bo Nicks, but

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Speaker 1: he got lucky getting Sean Payton from play calling to

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Speaker 1: play design. He's one of the few coaches in the

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Speaker 1: NFL that is very good with personnel. He and Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're great with it or don't care

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Speaker 1: about it. Peyton's great at it. So nine different guys

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Speaker 1: with good hands, They run good routes. It is a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl roster. I mean, you watch the Jets with

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Speaker 1: their new coach. What do they do well? What are

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Speaker 1: they do? They do anything well? Broncos do a lot well.

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Speaker 1: If you lead the NFL in sacks, you have perhaps

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Speaker 1: the great play caller and designer next to Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: and you've got all sorts of wide receiver talent on

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Speaker 1: these young quarterbacks. He throws the ball down the field.

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Speaker 1: And because of that, Sean Payton puts a ton on

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Speaker 1: at how often when he throws it out into the flat,

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Speaker 1: Makes hard throws. He'll throw him into congested areas. He'll

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Speaker 1: business all the time, hard throws, not messing around. He'll

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Speaker 1: and Sean is a great coach, but he's not easy

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Speaker 1: to play for as a quarterback. Go back to Drew Brees.

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Speaker 1: That's why Shawn's record in September is just okay, thirty

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Speaker 3: Of his quarterbacks, so it is hard to turn around.

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Speaker 1: Denver people do not understand Russell Wilson is still their

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Speaker 1: number one tap hit. It was a mess. They gave

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Speaker 1: It's about the process, it's about intensity. Coaches do it differently.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just remember how bad this thing was. You

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Speaker 1: Some of these teams in the NFL, they're like on

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Speaker 1: the game that started before that game, Jets and Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: So these are two bad organizations for, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: when you're gonna fire him. They just make poor choices

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Speaker 1: just make bad choices. The Dolphins are different. The Dolphins

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Speaker 1: The Dolphins are just too loyal to average people. Their

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Speaker 1: standards aren't very high. I mean, Tyreek Hill has been

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Speaker 1: gave me a huge extension. How about Chris Greer the

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Speaker 1: playoff wins. Move on, Tyreek Tua, Chris Greer, too much patience.

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Speaker 1: They move people don't want to play here. Lebron By

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Speaker 1: the Jets. The Jets want to win, but they make

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Speaker 1: good hires, some good acquisitions, They have some good players.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, why is Miami settling? The Jets aren't

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Speaker 1: satisfied being lousy. They're just incapable of fixing. The Dolphins

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Speaker 1: I think those are two struggling franchises, and I think

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Speaker 3: To a made the Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't been hurt lately. Well, Chris Greer, he's part

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Speaker 1: of the family. Okay, in a conference with Buffalo and

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Speaker 1: They don't do anything well, I mean justin fields. You

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Speaker 1: the field. You know, a great athlete, great kid. That's

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Speaker 1: not a franchise quarterback. They're all in four and here's

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Speaker 1: here's Aaron Glenn, who promised when he took over discipline, effectiveness,

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Speaker 5: It just can't happen. But what we have to do

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Speaker 5: go That's the only way that we can fix them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, when Aaron Glenn got the job,

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Speaker 1: the whole takeaway was, hey, we're not gonna be like

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get disciplined. It's not that they're losing.

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Speaker 1: Remember when Dan Campbell with Jared Goff, excellent quarterback, took

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Speaker 1: that's not it. But remember what that Detroit team was like.

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Speaker 1: remember going on the air in the first year and

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Speaker 1: think I've ever seen a team play this hard. They're

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Speaker 1: not very good. The defense is atrocious, but man, they

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Speaker 1: They're just you gotta do something right after four or

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Speaker 1: first year with Russell Wilson, he made Russell Wilson the

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Speaker 1: I gotta see stuff. I can't see a lot of penalties.

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Speaker 1: a lot of turnovers. I got to be able to

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Speaker 3: Now the defense is worse. So h j Maac.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mets fans tend to be Jets fans in

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Speaker 6: The over did hit last night, so we were happy

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Speaker 7: But Colin, I honestly think the Jets probably pick up

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Speaker 7: the phone today and call like the Rams. Hey, you know,

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Speaker 7: are you guys interested in Sauce Gardner. I start moving

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Speaker 7: off defensive players. I know it's early.

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Speaker 6: People don't.

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Speaker 3: Oh he loves Sauce Gardner. You're not going anywhere. Go

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Speaker 3: ahead and start accumulating draft picks.

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Speaker 7: I like the offensive pieces, right, You like Yourrot Wilson

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Speaker 3: I like Alan, the other running back from Wisconsin. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think they have peace. I think they I'm not

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Speaker 1: worried about talent. I just you have to show me

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Speaker 1: something through four or five games. You gotta be good

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Speaker 1: at something. When Lincoln Riley took over USC, the offense

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Speaker 1: was good immediately. You gotta be good at something. If

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Speaker 1: you're a defensive coach, your defense can't look like that.

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Speaker 1: That can't be what it looks like.

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Speaker 7: Jets are gonna battle the Saints and Titans for the

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Speaker 7: number one pick. And I think you said yesterday you

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Speaker 7: like Dante Moore above. Simpson from Alabama because the Jets

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Speaker 3: Now, Oh yeah, right yeah.

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Speaker 2: Heard Hierarchy Now, no Go. The top ten NFL teams

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Speaker 1: I love their offensive line and their skill offensively. They

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Speaker 1: great quarterbacks. Sit and watch for long stretches. I have

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Speaker 1: the Colts at ten, number nine Denver. Sean Payton has

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Speaker 1: Defensively, I don't think they're great, but they get after

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Speaker 1: They're in every game, but the problem is they're in

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Speaker 1: They're a great road team. They've won eight straight road games.

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold again leads the NFL in game winning drives

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Speaker 1: They're great on third down. It's just they're young. Third

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Speaker 1: They don't play well. Green Bay doesn't yet. Number four

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Speaker 1: They remind me of Kansas City's defense two years ago.

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Speaker 1: The defense worries me and could be their shortcoming. But

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Speaker 1: Number one, Yes, Kansas that he made a big leap.

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Speaker 1: with this. I generally don't take eleven to four.

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Speaker 9: Oh sorry, it says nice to see the Chiefs back

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Speaker 9: on the hard hierarchy. I was celebrating. Sorry, yeah, go ahead,

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Speaker 9: and you were saying eleven to four.

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Speaker 1: I don't do it. But the truth is, you've got

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Speaker 1: to be honest about this. Is they just needed one legitimate,

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Speaker 1: is that I never buy into this. I've always said this.

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Speaker 1: You can go into slumps with golf so much down

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Speaker 1: time to get into a slump. Stuff doesn't get into

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Speaker 9: To a degree, yes, But so there's a lot to

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Speaker 9: unback here, Colin, So let me take some time because

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Speaker 9: you are I even saw your tweets saying I tried

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Speaker 9: to tell j Mack about when Xavier Worthy came back,

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Speaker 9: and listen, I'm all for you giving Jmack a hard

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Speaker 6: His chief skepticism.

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Speaker 9: But I watched the Super Bowl bubble on Friday's episode.

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Speaker 6: You know who wasn't.

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Speaker 9: Even in the bubble for the bubble, the Chiefs exactly.

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Speaker 9: And you knew Zavier Worthy was coming back, So you

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Speaker 9: didn't even make it to October before you had to

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Speaker 9: Oh no, they're dealing with an injury now, they're all

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Speaker 9: need to get that off my chest. Listen, the Chiefs

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Speaker 9: are in Lamar's head and he doesn't perform well in

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Speaker 9: big spots. It's just I don't need we do this

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Speaker 6: He wins or comes.

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Speaker 9: He's all of this, then in a big spot he

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Speaker 9: In the last thirty games, Colin Lamar has two I'm sorry,

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Speaker 9: afflicted by something that has afflicted at great athletes across

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Speaker 9: I don't we have no problem. The baseball playoffs are

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Speaker 1: worried a little bit that they had three picks off

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Speaker 1: Gino and needed a block kick because the operations, the

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Speaker 1: layup stuff, Nick, it's hard to watch false starts on

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Speaker 1: fourth down, Like I'm kind of I'm like, this stuff

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Speaker 1: didn't seem hard for Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: Or steph If No, it's just it's not pretty right.

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Speaker 9: No, So that listen, I think that's totally fair where

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Speaker 9: I would And I don't know if you and I

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Speaker 9: agree or disagree on this, but if I am trying

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Speaker 9: to if I am getting a quarterback who could be

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Speaker 9: my franchise quarterback, and you're like, listen, he's not a

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Speaker 9: perfect prospect. Would you rather prospect a or B a

446
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Speaker 9: guy who you know, makes all the layups, has all

447
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Speaker 9: the process stuff down, but has a pretty hard ceiling

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Speaker 9: on what the upside is. Or a guy like Caleb

449
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Speaker 9: whose ceiling is he could be MVP of the league,

450
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Speaker 9: can make the fantastic, amazing plays, but what's the layups.

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Speaker 9: As you put it is.

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Speaker 6: A work in progress.

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Speaker 9: I would go Option B because I feel like that

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Speaker 9: stuff can get better over time. But I don't think

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Speaker 9: it's going to be overnight. I do think it's going

456
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Speaker 9: to be overtime. I do, and listen, I was wrong

457
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Speaker 9: about that obviously. I thought it was going to be overnight.

458
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Speaker 9: I picked him to go to the super Bowl last year.

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Speaker 9: He is not as far along from his in the fundamentals,

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Speaker 9: the building blocks as I thought he would be. But

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Speaker 9: I listen, he's a very different player, and I'm not

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Speaker 9: I'm only comping it in this one way. As far

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Speaker 9: as being far away on the fundamentals, that's what Josh

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Speaker 9: Allen was as a young player. Josh had these wow plays,

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Speaker 9: but couldn't you know, was very inaccurate, couldn't complete his passes,

466
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Speaker 9: and then got better at that stuff. And so I

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Speaker 9: like betting on the upside. But I agree with you

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Speaker 9: in this regard. Right now, the Bears are a team

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Speaker 9: who can look absolutely amazing for a quarter and then

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Speaker 9: the very next quarter looked like the worst offense in

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Speaker 9: the league. And I think that's going to be a

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Speaker 9: process over the course of the year.

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Speaker 1: I think the Josh Allen comp is I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: very accurate. Like Josh's first year and a half, he

475
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Speaker 1: was jumping over linebackers and salmon balls on screen passes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so it was interesting. You and I have been

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Speaker 3: very critical of the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I think Dax plan out of his mind and Schottenheimer

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Speaker 1: deserves credit, but I thought the overreaction to the Mica

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Speaker 1: trade was over the top. I think you have to

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Speaker 1: be great at three things, be a great team, head coach, quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and left tackle. The only times Mahomes has ever gotten

483
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Speaker 1: blown out, it's a left tackle issue. It's not a defense.

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Speaker 1: He's won a Super Bowl with a bad defense. He's

485
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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl with no great receivers, bad left tackle,

486
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Speaker 1: blown out flies. The Rams' worst year is Andrew Whitworth retires.

487
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Speaker 1: They were good when Aaron Donald left, they were good

488
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Speaker 1: with Cooper Cup left. They're good when Von Miller left.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth retires. They're bad, and I you know, I

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Speaker 1: look at Micah and I'm like, the Packers are going

491
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Speaker 1: to lead games late with their offense. They need a closer.

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Speaker 3: Dallas is fine. I mean, I look back at it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I think Jerry Jones were so unwilling

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Speaker 1: to give him credit. I watched that game Sunday. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I get four first round picks in Dallas?

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Speaker 3: What did Mica do? Where are you on that deal?

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Speaker 9: Okay, Well, first of all, I think you've let Jerry

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Speaker 9: mine meld you a bit because the four first round

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Speaker 9: picks they got two they already had two, so like

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Speaker 9: they like the two first round picks, and I think

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Speaker 9: it is it would be unfair, Colin, for me to

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Speaker 9: judge the trade fully from the Dallas end until we

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Speaker 9: see the picks, right like they traded for Kenney Clark

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Speaker 9: and picks that they haven't used yet. So obviously in

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Speaker 9: the short term it's gonna look better for green Bay

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Speaker 9: and then we have to take a long view of

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Speaker 9: it for Dallas. But I have actually I watched Dallas play, Colin,

508
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Speaker 9: and I think I come to the opposite opinion of

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Speaker 9: you because I've been so impressed by Deck because I

510
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Speaker 9: have been pleasantly surprised. Shout out to you know, FS

511
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Speaker 9: one's Eric Mangini, who really believed in Brian Schottenheimer when

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Speaker 9: I don't think anybody really thought that was a great hire.

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Speaker 9: I think he's done an awesome job early on. But

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Speaker 9: that has made me like this trade worse Colin, because

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Speaker 9: I watched the Cowboys and I'm like, my god, if

516
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Speaker 9: they else could be average on defense, they could be

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Speaker 9: really interesting. They just put forty on Green Bay without

518
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Speaker 9: ceedee lamb. They damn near beat the Packers, you know

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Speaker 9: they they their offense has been so good that I

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Speaker 9: watched the Cowboys and I'm like, man, you know what,

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Speaker 9: they could use an elite pass rusher which.

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Speaker 6: They used to have.

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Speaker 9: Like, I almost would feel better about this trade for

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Speaker 9: Dallas if Dak were having a bad year, because to me,

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Speaker 9: then it would be like, Okay, they weren't that close.

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Speaker 9: They weren't going to compete for anything this year, so let's,

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Speaker 9: you know, retool it. But it feels to me like

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Speaker 9: this team would be three and one had they just

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Speaker 9: kept Micah and be an actual dangerous team.

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Speaker 6: So that for me makes it harder.

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Speaker 9: To deal with the Vywerry Cowboys fan.

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Speaker 3: So I Jamak and I had a disagreement on this.

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Speaker 1: I said, you an accountant, a judge, a novelist, an actor.

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Speaker 1: In most careers, you got about twenty five years of

535
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Speaker 1: prime and you can work to your seventies. You can't

536
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Speaker 1: as a pro football player. And so AJ Brown and

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Speaker 1: I do think winning matters, but he's already got a trophy.

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Speaker 1: I do think if you went to Kobe and said, listen,

539
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Speaker 1: you get six shots a game, Kobe would have been like,

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Speaker 1: peace out, I'm gonna go somewhere else. AJ Brown gets

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Speaker 1: fewer yards than the third Buffalo Bills tight end. He's

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Speaker 1: got money and he's got a trophy. His legacy is

543
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Speaker 1: on the line. He's not necessary. They try to target

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Speaker 1: him nine targets seven yards most of the time. He's

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Speaker 1: just not And I think if I was Aj Brown,

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Speaker 1: this sounds selfish, but I think pro athletes get cornered into.

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Speaker 3: Well it's about winning games.

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Speaker 1: Well that's part of it, and it's transformational money and

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Speaker 1: there's legacies involved. And my take is if I was

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown, I'd go to Philadelphia and I'd say quietly,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna screw the market up. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: do a mellow with the Nuggets to the Knicks where

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Speaker 1: I make it public and the Knicks the Nuggets your track. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would go and just say, hey, Luel cinder to

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Speaker 1: this a year before he got traded. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be here, make a deal. I think AJ Brown

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Speaker 1: has a right to leave. I am defending him not

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Speaker 1: staying with a better organization. Am I wrong? No?

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Speaker 6: I mean I totally agree with you. I think that

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Speaker 6: it is.

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Speaker 9: It would be hypocritical for me to be mad at

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Speaker 9: AJ Brown for acting. I'm pretty sure exactly how I

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Speaker 9: would act in his position, Like I'd be like, I'm

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Speaker 9: if I'm AJ Brown, I'm like.

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Speaker 6: I'm awesome. I've always been awesome.

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Speaker 9: I get drafted by a team that has Ryan Tannehill

567
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Speaker 9: and Derrick Henry, and they they throw to me as

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Speaker 9: like a last resort. I think it traded to Philadelphia.

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Speaker 9: Right when I get there, they throw the ball to

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Speaker 9: me a bunch. I make all these all pros. The

571
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Speaker 9: team's really good.

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Speaker 6: And now over the last.

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Speaker 9: Twenty games, our team has become unbeatable and I've become unusable.

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Speaker 9: Like what the hell has happened here, and so this

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Speaker 9: is like I try to give grace to you know, athletes,

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Speaker 9: if i'm if I can think of a you know,

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Speaker 9: a comp for me, and what I would do, Like

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Speaker 9: if somebody, if if Fox came to me and they're like, hey, Nick,

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Speaker 9: we want you to do a sixty second essay during

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Speaker 9: the super Bowl. There's going to be one hundred million,

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Speaker 9: one hundred and twenty million people watching now in order

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Speaker 9: to do it the whole week leading up to the

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Speaker 9: super Bowl. You can't do your show, but we'll have

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Speaker 9: more people seeing you there.

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Speaker 6: It's a bigger thing.

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Speaker 9: I'd probably in my head be like, yeah, I kind

587
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Speaker 9: of want to do my show, Like.

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Speaker 6: I kind of like then.

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Speaker 9: And so like the I think there is if you

590
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Speaker 9: feel like you're great at something and you feel like

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Speaker 9: you're are not able to show it and it's not

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Speaker 9: because your skills have declined, it can be frustrating. And

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Speaker 9: so I think this is a simmering, simmering pot colin

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Speaker 9: that the they are very and.

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Speaker 6: I give the Eagles. I think it's fair to have

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Speaker 6: them number one.

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Speaker 9: Hierarchy because I respect the fact that they win so

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Speaker 9: many different ways. They blocked the field goal two weeks

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Speaker 9: ago to win the game. They blocked the punt this

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Speaker 9: week to set the game up to win. But there

601
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Speaker 9: have been I did this this morning. There have been

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Speaker 9: two one hundred and fifty six halves of football played

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Speaker 9: so far this year.

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Speaker 6: The worst and.

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Speaker 9: Second worst passing performance by half for the whole league

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Speaker 9: this season was the first half for Philadelphia two weeks

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Speaker 9: ago and the second half for Philadelphia this past week.

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Speaker 9: That should never happen when you have a really good quarterback,

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Speaker 9: a great wide receiver, another really good receiver, a good

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Speaker 9: receivering back in a good tight end. Something is off

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Speaker 9: right now about their offense, but they're winning anyway. If

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Speaker 9: they're not going to change that, then I would not

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Speaker 9: begrudge if AJ Brown were like, Hey, you know a

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Speaker 9: team that wants to throw the ball, that needs a

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Speaker 9: star receiver that my former head coach is the head

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Speaker 9: coach of in New England. Why don't you see if

617
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Speaker 9: you can work something out, And if you're Philly, he

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Speaker 9: might be worth more to you in draft capital as

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Speaker 9: your roster gets more expensive than he is on the

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Speaker 9: team because they're not effectively using him.

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Speaker 1: You and I agree on that, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: very easy in the media to always say the players

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Speaker 1: not about winning. It'd be one thing if he didn't

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Speaker 1: have a ring, But once you get the trophy and

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Speaker 1: you've got the money, legacy matters it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 9: He's trying to make the Hall of Fame. The guy's

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Speaker 9: trying to make the Hall of Fame. And he put

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Speaker 9: and I referenced this last time we talked about this.

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Speaker 6: I'm just going to reference it again.

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Speaker 9: He told the world three days after the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 9: keep put on Instagram.

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Speaker 6: I wondered how long.

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Speaker 9: Winning a Super Bowl would make me feel good. The

635
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 9: answer is about two days. And then he said, I

636
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Speaker 9: play this game to see the demoralized defensive back who

637
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 9: realizes they can't do anything with me.

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Speaker 6: He's been very honest.

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Speaker 9: He wants to be a dominant individual player, and he

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Speaker 9: feels correctly that will help his team. It's not like

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Speaker 9: that's going to hurt his team. And if I were him,

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Speaker 9: I'd be frustrated too.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Nick, Right, Chargers are eleven. It should be noted the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs were eleven last week.

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Speaker 9: I'm oh, yeah, who knows Chargers could do it? Listen,

647
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 9: not everybody, Colin can not every AFC West team can

648
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Speaker 9: go to the meadowlands and get a win.

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Speaker 6: Mine can.

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Speaker 9: I don't know about you guys, but mine could do it.

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Speaker 6: See you let everybody