1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Good morning, Peeves, and welcome to woke f Daily with 2 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: me your girl, Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: For the last couple of days, there has been a 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: pause in the murder bombing of the people of Gaza, 5 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: and I know that for all of you listening, for 6 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: many of you listening who stay tapped completely into the news, 7 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: this has been heartbreaking. It has been traumatizing, and I 8 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: don't use that word lightly. I posted a video this 9 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: week talking about the trauma scrolling that is happening on 10 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: social media, where you cannot avoid the pictures, the videos, 11 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: the death, the destruction that weapons of war do to 12 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: human bodies, that they do to communities, that they do 13 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: to buildings. And this administration wants to receive credit for 14 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: ushering in a pause while at the same time, at 15 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: the same time standing unequivocally with Israel and not holding 16 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: the State of Israel accountable to the same international laws 17 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: that other nation states that are recognized by the UN 18 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: and other bodies abide by. They continue to use our 19 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: tax dollars, billions of dollars to fund the trauma that 20 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: we are scrolling through. I have read articles over the 21 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: last couple of days talking about the fact that if 22 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: you care about the Palestinian people, then you won't want 23 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: to cease fire because all of the ceasefire does is 24 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: allow Hamas to build strength and radicalize more people. And 25 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, what do you think contributes to 26 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: the radicalization of people? Honestly, right, let's just take out 27 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: this current situation. What the fuck do you think helps 28 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: people become radicalized when there is nothing left to fucking lose, 29 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 1: when everything they know right has been destroyed, has been 30 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: taken from them, their children, their home, their livelihood, their hopefulness, 31 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: and they see no path forward. Now, this is very 32 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,679 Speaker 1: different than the radicalization that we see in this country 33 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: by white supremacists and white domestic terrorists that continue to 34 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: grow in this country. That radicalization is different than what 35 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: I am talking about because their radicalization comes from this 36 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: idea that something is being taken from them, and in 37 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: order for things not to be taken, then they need 38 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: to destroy the very communities that they feel are taking 39 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: from them. But we cannot believe that the continuation of 40 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: more than fourteen thousand people being murdered, bombed, crushed to 41 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: death is going to be a way to peace. And 42 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: there are reports that continue to float around about this 43 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: what they are referring to as a East Europe economic 44 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: Middle India Middle East Europe economic corridor that links railways 45 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 1: and ports and all of these things. But at the 46 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: end of the day, is once again about who controls 47 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: the dwindling resource of oil. And there's been reports about 48 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: oil reserves that may in fact be in Gaza. So 49 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: once again we start to think about is this war 50 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 1: about liberation extermination? Is it about once again the one percent? 51 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Is it about greedy nations and their ability to extract 52 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: from vulnerable poor places and nations? These are real questions 53 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: that people are asking. These are real concerns that continue 54 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: to grow, and this administration isn't answering those questions, the concerns, 55 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: the fear, the anxiety that people have, and that is 56 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: why eleven and a half months out from the twenty 57 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: twenty four election, I am hearing people say that they 58 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: are are not going to vote for Biden. Why do 59 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: I continue to bring that up? Because it is fucking concerning, 60 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: and I don't want us to wait until August or 61 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,359 Speaker 1: September or October of twenty twenty four and go, oh shit, 62 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: when there is absolutely no time for a course correction. 63 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: I posted this on social media and I had a 64 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: bunch of people say, this administration doesn't need a course correction. 65 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: Inflation is coming down, job numbers are good, blah blah. 66 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: Are people actually feeling those things or is it media manipulation? 67 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: And just because things look good on paper, does it 68 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: actually feel good in real life? Because to ignore the 69 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: issues and the emotions that people are having, we do 70 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: so to the peril of our democracy and global stability. 71 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: We saw what happened during the first Trump administration when 72 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: he realigned with our enemies and backed out of deals 73 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: and agreements that we were at the forefront of creating, 74 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: and vacuum was left. And I would argue that a 75 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: lot of the instability that we are seeing now is 76 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: because of that. So what do you think happens if 77 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: a Donald Trump and the Republicans take control again, Because 78 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: they are never going to give it back up. It 79 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: isn't just about what happens in this country. It will 80 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: be about what happens globally. You think that we're close 81 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: to World War three, now just wait because that time 82 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: around will be on the wrong side. So I think 83 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: that it is incredibly important for us to continue to 84 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: get a fuller picture of what is happening, which is 85 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: why I'm very happy to welcome back my friend, independent journalist, 86 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: former Today Show journalist Danielle Campemore back onto the show, 87 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: who in this episode will share what she observed, what 88 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: she has learned when she was on the ground in Israel, 89 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: just hundreds of feet away from Gaza, to get the 90 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: stories that we need to hear and see. And so 91 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: coming up next is that the very important conversation with 92 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: Danielle Kampomore as we continue to try and make sense 93 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: of what just seems absolutely insane, folks. I am always 94 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: so grateful when I have the opportunity to bring my 95 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: friend freelance journalists and report our former reporter for The 96 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Today Show dot Com, Danielle Kampomore, onto WOKF Daily, and 97 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: most recently, Danielle was on the ground in Israel and 98 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: palestein reporting on the conditions there, speaking with women, speaking 99 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: with people on the ground about what was happening, how 100 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: they were feeling. Your recent piece Danielle is now up 101 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: at Time Magazine and it's entitled their Kibbutz was attacked 102 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: on October seventh. They're determined to rebuild. Danielle, talk to 103 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: us just first. I really want to know what compelled you, 104 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: right as we saw war begin, as we saw the 105 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: attacks happen on October seventh, and now we have witnessed 106 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: the devastation thereafter, what compelled you to leave the safety 107 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: of your home to go and report on the ground. 108 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Right. That's a really great question, and I think it 109 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: really boils down to the stories that I knew were 110 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: present on the ground and that needed to be told. 111 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 2: You know, when the war broke out in Ukraine after 112 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: Russia invaded, and I covered that international crisis, it was 113 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: the stories that were really, to me the most compelling 114 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: about survival, about hardship, about endurance, about vulnerability. And it 115 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: just goes to show that politics as personal and vice versa, 116 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: and there are the real life stories that are happening 117 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 2: as a result of people's governments, the results of other 118 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: people's governments, of our government governments and other countries. And 119 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 2: we can get really bogged down with the geopolitical discussions 120 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: and what this means both internationally and domestically, and overlook 121 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: the stories of real humans who just like us, are 122 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: just trying to put food on the table, take their 123 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: kids to school, enjoy life, you know, be in love, 124 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: and be in community with friends and neighbors. And so 125 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: that was really what compelled me to go, is those stories. 126 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: It's so easy, especially leading up to an election, to 127 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: get bogged down by the politics and ignore the fact 128 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: that that this is, this is affecting every aspect of 129 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 2: these people's lives. Who are who are there to pick 130 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 2: up the pieces and try to move forward. 131 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: So tell us, you know, to take us on your journey. 132 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're leaving your own family, your husband, 133 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: your two kids behind, and you get on a plane 134 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: and you're heading to essentially the other side of the 135 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: world to report talk to us about getting onto the 136 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: ground and you know, and where you were headed. 137 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: Right, So it was pretty overwhelming. The process of just 138 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: even boarding the plane, given security measures, you know, it 139 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: was pretty difficult in terms of, you know, why are 140 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: you going to Israel, what are you going to do there, 141 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 2: et cetera. So even just the security process, I perhaps 142 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: I naively had assumed that the flight would be empty. 143 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: It was not. It was filled with people going back home, 144 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: which I thought, really from even the beginning, before I 145 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: even gotten Israel was really incredible. And then similar to honestly, 146 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: when I was preparing to go to Ukraine overseas and 147 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 2: then rob Elementary happened, and instead I was told, you're 148 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 2: not going to go to Ukraine, You're going to go 149 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 2: to rob. On the flight, the shooting in Maine happened, 150 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: and I found myself once again as a member of 151 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: the press in the United States, covering a war overseas 152 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: and simultaneously writing about weapons of war and the devastation 153 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 2: that they cause here at home. So even that was 154 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: just getting off the plane and having that shooting happening 155 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: at home and then preparing to go into a war zone. 156 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: I stayed in Tel Aviv, got to also visit the 157 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: Kaboots Kafarazah, which is less than two miles away from Gaza. 158 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: That's the closest that I was allowed to get without 159 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: an IDF escort. And in order for journalists to be 160 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: escorted into Gaza with IDF you have to turn over 161 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: your footage, which was not something that I was willing 162 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: to do as an independent journalist. So that's the closest 163 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: that I could get to Gaza was a little less 164 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: than too miles away. And then just spoke to family 165 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: members of those who were kidnapped, those who were killed, 166 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 2: those who were managed to survive either a Kibbutz raid 167 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: or the raid at the rave at the concert, and 168 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: simultaneously seeing how strange it is for people to continue 169 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: living at a time of war. Sirens would go off 170 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: three times every single day, and every single day everyone 171 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 2: would stop what they're doing, run to the nearest shelter, 172 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: wait for it to be over, and then continue on 173 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: with their life. And that was a real big culture 174 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: shock for me, of just it was really part of 175 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: everyday life at that point of sirens and bombings going off. Yeah, 176 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: it was there for a week. 177 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: You know, Danielle. I said this the other day to 178 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: another friend of mine, where I said, you know, it 179 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: never occurred to me when I was learning about the 180 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: Black Plague that people were still going to work, right, Like, 181 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: it never occurred like as you're you know, you're in 182 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: school and you're learning about these points in history, and 183 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: you never really think about, well, what is actually happening 184 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: with the people. You have this idea of war, you 185 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: have this idea of pandemic of plague, and so when 186 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: you just explain the fact that these sirens are going 187 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: off three times a day. How are people, the people 188 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: that you're talking to, how are they even maintaining any 189 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: semblance of normalcy? Like the sirens go off and then 190 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: it's all clear and they can go about their day, 191 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: Like what does it even mean to go about your 192 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: day in a time of war? 193 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: Right? I think that is one of the things that's 194 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: most fascinating, And it's very difficult to quantify for those 195 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: who've never been in that kind of situation or in 196 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: that kind of environment, but you really see that people 197 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: aren't a monolith, and the varying ways in which people 198 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: can respond to traumatic events and continued dramatic events. So, 199 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: for example, the survivors of Kafaraza are temporarily relocated and 200 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: they're staying at a hotel. Daily life does look different 201 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: for them, and then at the same time it doesn't. 202 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: They made a makeshift kindergarten, The kids are going to 203 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: school and playing. Elderly folks are coming together going back 204 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: to rebuild the kaboots. A lot of people are volunteering, 205 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: and so there's still joy. You see people still playing 206 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: with their children, holding their newborns, talking with friends. They're 207 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: on social media there's joy and then a siren goes off. 208 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: And it was very interesting to be in a safe 209 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: room with a group of survivors and then see some 210 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: people looked really angry, some people looked extremely scared, some 211 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: people looked completely unfazed, some people were able to joke, 212 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: some people look completely disassociated. So I saw this group 213 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: of people who'd gone through a very similar experience, but 214 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: the varying ways in which it's impacting them and how 215 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: they're trying to manage, and so it really is this 216 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: kind of weird suspension of time where you can see 217 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: some people are still incredibly scared, some people the fear 218 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 2: has been overtaken by anger and they're really really, really angry. 219 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: Some people are just completely trying to disassociate and put 220 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: one foot in front of the other. And so it 221 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 2: depends on really who you're talking to. But one thing 222 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: is for sure is that everyone that I spoke to, 223 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: even if they have a different opinion of what should 224 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 2: come next, agree that something must come next. There is 225 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 2: no waiting, there's no pausing. It's one foot in front 226 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: of the other. We have to keep moving forward. And 227 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 2: you see that every day. And like I said, friends 228 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: will be sitting at a cafe, they hear a siren, 229 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 2: run into the nearest restaurant to go into their safe room, 230 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 2: come back out, finish their coffees, and they're laughing two 231 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: minutes later. I mean, it's truly unbelievable, the resiliency of humanity, 232 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate that we only really see that or 233 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: acknowledge that resilience in moments like this. 234 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: You know, I want to speak to you too about 235 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: being two miles away from Gaza. Since you have returned 236 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: and since the beginning of the bombings, over ten thousand 237 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: people have been killed, more than half of them being 238 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: children in Gaza, and I want to get your thoughts 239 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: or from what you heard from people in and around 240 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: that area about their feelings about Netanyahu and their government's 241 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 1: response to the trauma and the tragedy that occurred on 242 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: October seventh. 243 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, that's a great question. Every single person that 244 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: I spoke to was very quick to want to talk politics, 245 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: which I also thought was very interesting. Think again, there 246 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: in Israel, people are very very acutely aware, especially after 247 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 2: October seventh, how much their politics and government failed them 248 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 2: and how that has impacted their lives. Now, no one 249 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 2: that I spoke to, like snet Yahoo, They all blame him. 250 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,959 Speaker 2: There was a lot of discussion about him perhaps prolonging 251 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: the war in order to maintain power, because he continues 252 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: to say, we'll look at you know, how this happened, 253 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: We'll have investigations, but when the war is over, which 254 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 2: really kind of gave people a sense of perhaps that 255 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: doesn't give him a whole lot of incentive to end 256 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: the war sooner. Everyone was very, very very upset, worried 257 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: and concerned about those that were kidnapped and how little 258 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: was being done to get them back. You know, one 259 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: mom in particular, she survived the attack with her three 260 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: children and her husband. Her best friend's husband died protecting 261 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 2: their home. You know. She said, look, we've lived to Gaza. 262 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 2: We want our Palestinian neighbors to be happy, to have 263 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: joyful lives. It wasn't uncommon for Palestinians to come from 264 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: Gaza into the Kiboots to work and then go back 265 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: because they would get paid more in a day than 266 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: they would in a week in Gaza, So it was 267 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: not uncommon, you know. So she was very forthread about 268 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: how we just want to live in peace. We want 269 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 2: peace for everybody you know, calls for a ceasefire and 270 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: specifically to get the kidnapped out, And so really there's 271 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: a lot of distrust with the government. They don't think 272 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: that the government is able to keep them safe, and 273 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 2: a lot of anger at nan Yahoo for not taking 274 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: responsibility for at least not seeing that this attack was 275 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: going to happen. 276 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: I think about this a lot, and I think about 277 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: the way in which corporate media, mainstream media has given 278 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: Americans in particular, an incredibly sanitized, in one side view 279 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: of conflict in general, but particularly as it pertains to 280 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: Israel and Palestine, where billions of our tax dollars go 281 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: every single year since the creation of Israel. And I wonder, 282 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: you know, just as if we all in the United 283 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: States are not maga right, are not in support of 284 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. I think that what has been shown about 285 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: Israel is as if everyone is in support of net 286 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: Yahoo and is in support of these raids. And so 287 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: Danielle being now, you know, a freelance journalist, what do 288 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: you think about one the amount of journalists that have 289 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: been killed right in their coverage, whose homes have been bombed, 290 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: whose families have been killed. There have been I think 291 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: over fifty at this point, you know, or more, what 292 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: do you think about the portrayal of people inside of 293 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Israelis and our understanding of the depth and dimension of 294 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: political thought, frustration, anger, and grief that we don't see. 295 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, you nailed it on the head, as 296 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: there's a depth there, and there's so much substance that 297 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: I think mainstream media is just quite frankly afraid of. 298 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: And that's something that you know, you asked at the 299 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: beginning what compelled me to go, and it's the stories, 300 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 2: and it's also you know, part of that, this kind 301 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: of fear I think that I saw play out in 302 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: real time while I was still you know, formally employed, 303 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: of just this is a complicated issue, and that complicated 304 00:22:54,119 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: issue deters editors from assigning certain things or for quite frankly, 305 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: us doing our job. If an issue is complicated, that 306 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: means that we then have the obligation to inform the 307 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: public of this complicated, nuanced thing, war certainly being one 308 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: of them, and in this situation, that fear is very palpable, 309 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 2: I think in newsrooms across the country, in particularly mainstream ones, 310 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 2: of just not wanting to step into this complicated thing 311 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: and being called out or being labeled biased, as if 312 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: that's not going to happen in this political climate anyways. 313 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: And so no, I think that there is this very 314 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: singular viewpoint. And that's why again I think it's so 315 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: important to really get on the ground and actually speak 316 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: to people, because then you will learn that this is 317 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: not everyone. I mean, Israel is certainly united as a 318 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: group of people after the October seventh attack, but that 319 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: certainly doesn't mean that they were united behind their government. 320 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 2: And I think that that is a very big difference, 321 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: and and that's at least what I heard on the 322 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: ground is that they are very skeptical, skeptical of their 323 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 2: government and of what has transpired since October seventh. And 324 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 2: so again, if we got past our fear here of 325 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: of appearing biased, of appearing like we have an ulterior 326 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: motive as journalists, and instead just reporting on complicated situations 327 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 2: and nuanced ways, with nuanced and perhaps a more realistic 328 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: group of voices, then I think our public would be 329 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 2: better for it. And we've seen how polarizing it can 330 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: be when when we fail to do our jobs and 331 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 2: provide that context. 332 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: You know, coming back now after having been there, for 333 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: a week. What was the adjustment like in in coming 334 00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: back for you, and and how how does and on 335 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: the ground journalists take care of your own mental health 336 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: after you've seen and heard and reported on something so devastating. 337 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: Coming back was really difficult. I didn't want to get 338 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 2: on the plane, you know, when I went. One of 339 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 2: the things that I had a personal security that had 340 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: to go with me, and one of the things that 341 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: I had to download was in Israel, they have a 342 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: warning system on your phone for when the Iron Dome 343 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: is initiated, basically just shows you where the sirens are 344 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: before they show up. It's like a couple of seconds 345 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: before I can't bring myself to take it off, so 346 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: I'm still getting notifications of when they're being hit in 347 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: Tel Aviv or in parts of Israel. It was really 348 00:25:54,400 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 2: challenging to dive back into the discourse here when, like 349 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: you said, that nuance and that depth, people just aren't 350 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: getting it. It's been really challenging to hear certain opinions 351 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: that I think are not born out of fact or 352 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:18,239 Speaker 2: an actual knowledge of the region or the people, and 353 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 2: that's been really challenging. It's been challenging to continue to 354 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: check in on the people that I spoke to. You know, 355 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: I want to go back. So that's been hard. In 356 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: terms of mental health, I think so much of it 357 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: is this talking about it. I think what would do 358 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 2: my mental health the worst is feeling like I didn't 359 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: do my job, I didn't tell those stories that if 360 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: I was if I took the time to be there, 361 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: came home and didn't do what I promised I would do, 362 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: then that would be devastating. So talking about it, writing 363 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: about it, but then also spending time with my kids, 364 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 2: turning off the news at least at night, and you know, 365 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: trying to remember those moments of joy that we talked about. 366 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: And I know that those moments of joy are happening 367 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 2: in Gaza as well, And I'm hoping to be able 368 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: to go back and actually go into Gaza again under 369 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 2: those what conditions, I don't know, And I know for 370 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: a fact that there's so many stories in Gaza that 371 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 2: aren't being told, not just ones of deep sorrow and 372 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: loss and trauma, but of joy. And I think, you know, 373 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 2: both Israelis and Polsinians deserve to see their people in 374 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: the media also being joyful and celebrating their lives, not 375 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 2: just in the wreckage of war. So I think about 376 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: a lot about that, about seeing, you know, a toddler 377 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: who had survived a horrific attack playing with his dad 378 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: and mom, friends hugging each other and just supporting each other. 379 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 2: You know, I think about that and that that helps. 380 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: Too, you know, Danielle, I am always in awe of 381 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: the work that you do and the writing that you 382 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: do and the coverage, and you know, I thought like 383 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: it sent you a quick note when I saw that 384 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: you were leaving, and you know, said like, you know, 385 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'll pray for you and you know, and send 386 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: positive energy because I was really you know, as I'm 387 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: certain so many people who follow you were. But I 388 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: recognize in your reporting and your coverage always that you 389 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: bring us to stories that we need, and you do 390 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: it at you know, it is it is a public 391 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: service that that you are doing. And I just want 392 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: to appreciate you and and you know, and uplift you 393 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: for that and tell folks you know. Danielle's story is 394 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: up now at time dot com. Their kibbutz was attacked 395 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: on October seventh, their I'm in too rebuild. I encourage 396 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: everyone to read it, to share it to post it. 397 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: It's this kind of reporting and work that we need 398 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: to really uplift, and so thank you. Thank you for 399 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, for saying I'm back and I can come 400 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: on this show, and I'm so glad that we were 401 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: able to make it happen. I genuinely appreciate you so much. 402 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: No, of course, thank you as always and for always 403 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: uplifting these stories. The world needs clearly more Danielle's in it. 404 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: So I yes appreciate you. That is it for me today, 405 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: Dear friends on Woke a f as always, Power to 406 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, get woke 407 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.