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Speaker 2: I am Dale LOLLI. He is the Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 2: Matt mel kiper really mark draft of the new year

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Speaker 2: here for twenty twenty five, and so I thought we'd

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Speaker 2: go through that here today as part of our draft prep.

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Speaker 3: He's still really dialed in. Yeah, I mean he will

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Speaker 3: these are things he's hearing, you know. I mean that

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Speaker 3: this guy's gonna go a little higher. He likes to

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Speaker 3: I haven't looked at it yet. I know who the

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Speaker 3: So I'm interested.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So at one, he's got cam Ward quarterback of

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Speaker 3: Is there only other option to sign like a Darnold?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I think word is better than

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Speaker 3: I think Kirk Cousins is a real possibility for them.

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Speaker 2: I'm more mobile than Kirk Cousins. At three, he has

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Speaker 2: the Giants taking Shador Sanders, quarterback out of Colorado.

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Speaker 3: I could understand it if they go super heavy and

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Speaker 2: At seven, the Jets take Mikeel Williams outside linebacker from Georgia.

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Speaker 2: At eight, the Carolina Panthers take Jaylen Walker, linebacker from Georgia.

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Speaker 2: At ten, the Bears take Will Campbell offensive lineman from LSU.

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Speaker 2: At twelve, the Dallas Cowboys take Luther Burden wide receiver

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Speaker 3: That's the one offensive player I could see them going.

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Speaker 2: At fifteen, the Falcons take Shamar Stewart defensive end Texas

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Speaker 2: You know, this is my only problem with taking as

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Speaker 3: Right. The system is so flawed that way, right, Like

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Speaker 2: That might not be a slam dunk if he's twenty

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Speaker 3: Right, right, it's crazy, you know, it's just it's almost

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's a star player, you're going to pay

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Speaker 3: Would you'd rather just give him a three year deal

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Speaker 2: The Cincinnati Bengals take Jihad Campbell, linebacker from Alabama. That's

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Speaker 2: At nineteen, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers take Nick Emmina warro

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Speaker 3: Big physical specimen. I'm sure Todd, but you said it

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Speaker 3: I love that fit. I mean they have a line

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Speaker 3: Really good player. Yea. I'd have no problem with that whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: I think he's going the first round. I mean when

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Speaker 2: Seventeen sacks, yeah last year, as you should at Marshall. Well,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's game planning all day long.

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Speaker 3: And I think he has the physical traits to be

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Speaker 2: Twenty four, the Minnesota Vikings take Benjamin Morrison, cornerback of

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Speaker 3: Gil Moore is a free agent. Murphy's a free agent.

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Speaker 3: He could be in the mix of Steelers too.

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Speaker 2: He could be in the mixed nine career interceptions in

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Speaker 3: He's talking with the Ride to Ride and remember watching.

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame games last year, going, who's that dude?

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Speaker 2: Twenty five, the Houston Texans take Josh Simmons, offensive tackle

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Speaker 3: Some people think if he's clean medically, he could go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mirror drills.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, stuff like his feet moved ackle, yeah, assuming he's healthy. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: At twenty six, the Los Angeles Rams take Josh Connery

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Speaker 2: At twenty seven, the Ravens take Chavon Revel cornerback East Carolina.

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Speaker 3: Maybe two cornerbacks back to back years. I think they're

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Speaker 3: looking to replace what's the face of starter that evone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see them liking them. Yeah, Revel could

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: At twenty eight, the Lions take Jane Pierce Junior off

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Speaker 3: They're looking for somebody opposite Hutchinson.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine, the Commanders take Nick Scurton defensive end out

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Speaker 3: They need it. I mean, defensive tackles are pretty well set.

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Speaker 2: You guys, I think Sakwon Barthley's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna run all over them.

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Speaker 3: Oh I did too. I think they're in big trouble.

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Speaker 2: At thirty, the Buffalo Bills take Maxwell Hairston cornerback out

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Speaker 3: Okay Douglas, Yeah, Russell Douglas is up. Yeah. They love

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Speaker 3: corner short. I could definitely see corner for that. They've

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Speaker 3: after Davis White got hurt, I never quite filled that need.

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Speaker 2: They don't have money either, the money either, right right?

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Speaker 2: At thirty one, the Kansas City Chiefs take Walter Nolan,

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Speaker 3: Sure throw them in the mix, you know, spell Chris

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Speaker 2: He mix an old Miss player with a Mississippi State

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Speaker 3: How that goes? Chris Jones didn't go anywhere?

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Speaker 2: And at thirty two, the Philadelphia Eagles take Kenneth Grant,

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Speaker 3: I don't think they love Jordan Davis.

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Speaker 2: I get that, But you've spent that would be three

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Speaker 2: first round picks in four years on defensive tackles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and who are I mean? Carter is a different animal, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But he is a nose.

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Speaker 3: He's a nose. I mean, but if he can be

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Speaker 3: Jordan Davis. He doesn't give you anything pass downs and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he needs to be more than that. Other than that,

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Speaker 3: I mean they always take lineman. Yeahah, and but.

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Speaker 3: They could take an offensive lineman. Bonds a free agent,

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Speaker 3: don't know, but they don't have a lot that they're losing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Take a thirty years quarterback at the end of the

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Speaker 3: If there's one that it's there, and I wouldn't blow

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Speaker 2: that would be somebody that they do like those speed

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Speaker 3: They do they do. I mean they've invested there as well,

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Speaker 3: If Howard gets that high up interesting, that could be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's between the I think it's between.

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Speaker 4: The third guy, I.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if the guys

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Speaker 3: They probably aren't going to look fresh.

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Speaker 2: But it's just by the same token, you might look

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Speaker 2: continue to show. They'll be in practice, They'll be there, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean you just go in for the interviews. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm invited. I can do all the behind the scenes stuff,

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Speaker 3: I just played more than everybody else just a week ago.

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Speaker 3: It gets so to day, right.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize Howard had that kind of mobility though,

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Speaker 3: Bill Row obviously, but he's not a stiff at all. Right,

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Speaker 2: He'll do several more before we get to the main event,

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Speaker 2: as everybody does. And I always laugh when people talk

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Speaker 3: One metal do probably five more. Yeah, and not to

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Speaker 2: You know when I was doing this, you know, back

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Speaker 3: And we didn't even have coaching. There's some coaching. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: You don't you know who Jacksonville's GM or coaches exactly.

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Speaker 3: You know, what's it? What's it going to look like?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, don't even know the total draft order yet, right,

447
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Speaker 3: they still got to fix at the end of the.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, let's get to a break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on

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Speaker 2: more right after this.

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Speaker 3: At least.

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Speaker 2: a show if we didn't spend some time talking about

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Speaker 2: the quarterback situation. Sure, because it's the biggest decision that it's.

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Speaker 3: Massive, it's the story of course. Yeah, yeah, what are

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Speaker 3: you gonna do?

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson went on the Pat McAfee show today and

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Speaker 2: there was a guest on there and said that he

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Speaker 2: would love to come back to the Steelers and you know,

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Speaker 2: thinks that they have a team that they can win

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Speaker 2: with wants to be a part of that, and also

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Speaker 2: said that they had some preliminary talks about doing that.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, yeah, okay, I mean, as you should.

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Speaker 2: And that might strike people as wow, I can't believe that.

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Speaker 2: I guarant they probably had the same talk with Justin Peeles.

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Speaker 3: I would about say exactly too. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: that they've had these conversations. Everyone on the planet knows

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Speaker 3: your contracts up. That doesn't mean be like that call

478
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Speaker 3: you don't adore hit you, you know, I mean it's a.

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Speaker 2: Different conversation than the one you have for say Dan

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Speaker 2: Moore or James Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Per that's her team leader. And know by the way,

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Speaker 3: Wilson in particular has earned that in his career too.

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Speaker 3: And I think that there whether they're the ideal guy

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Speaker 3: on the field or not is debatable, but I think

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Speaker 3: personality wise, both players were a success in their new home,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, they liked them the work

487
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Speaker 3: ethics there, They get along with one another, you know,

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Speaker 3: Cam and Watt, and those guys respect them and like

489
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Speaker 3: them and all that kind of stuff too, so they

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Speaker 3: might be your quarterback, you know, and one of those

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Speaker 3: two is probably going to be your quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I think where people are getting

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Speaker 2: caught up in this whole situation. Differently, the question shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be who's your quarterback five years from now? Because I

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Speaker 2: don't think that guy is on.

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Speaker 3: Your roster unless the fields hits a home run, right

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Speaker 3: and it blows up, which is probably unlikely.

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Speaker 2: Right right. So I think the question that you have

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Speaker 2: to ask yourself with if you're the Steelers, if you're

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Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin and Omar Khan, which quarterback gives us the

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Speaker 2: best chance to compete for a title in twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 3: And I also think every decision made in those walls

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Speaker 3: has to also reflect on who is our quarterback five

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Speaker 3: years from now? And how can we get that guy right?

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, we're gonna have to make do and

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Speaker 3: we're gonna have to figure out how to win now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's why coach Tomlin is well compensated, you know.

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Speaker 3: I Mean a lot of teams are facing the same situation,

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Speaker 3: and even the ones that have the superstar quarterbacks, two

510
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Speaker 3: of them are eliminated. Alrighty now from a division make

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Speaker 3: a playoffs, right, so it's no, that doesn't even guarantee

512
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Speaker 3: you anything. So I think you have to make big

513
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Speaker 3: time decisions, cap space, all those type of things of

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Speaker 3: how can we get that guy, how can we make

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Speaker 3: it be aggressive to get them when we fall in

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Speaker 3: love with one, or trade or draft or move up

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Speaker 3: in the draft or whatever. And in the meantime, how

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Speaker 3: can we not prohibit ourselves from getting that guy and

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Speaker 3: be as competitive as we possibly can be.

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Speaker 2: That's why to me, man, we mentioned some of the

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks who are going to be at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 2: next week. Yeah, the top two guys aren't going to

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Speaker 2: be there right right right, But the next group of

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Speaker 2: guys are You might like one, you might like when

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Speaker 2: that That's why I think the quarterback situation in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: might be determined by what happens next week in Mobile, Alabama.

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Speaker 3: And they know all these guys, but you get the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to sit down with them and learn a little

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Speaker 3: bit more about that. You're there all week, Yeah, you're

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Speaker 3: you know, you're there. You see a lot of the

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Speaker 3: stuff on the field.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, those things.

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Speaker 3: Who's another thing that shows up alphaba, who's the alpha? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: And who who's the one that everyone's gravitating to, who's

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Speaker 3: kind of a shrinking violet. And it's just a lot

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Speaker 3: of time spent over a short amount of time with

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Speaker 3: all those players.

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Speaker 2: That's where I where I was at three four years ago. Now,

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Speaker 2: when I heard for sure that if Kenny Pickett's available,

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Speaker 2: the Steelers are taking Kenny Pickett, they really, they really

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Speaker 2: have showing a lot of interest in Kenny Pickett. They've

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Speaker 2: they've liked what they see and that turned out to

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Speaker 2: be true. Yeah, yeah, And that can happen in these

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Speaker 2: situations where you go in there you have you know

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Speaker 2: the player, you know what his talent.

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Speaker 3: Level played in the same building.

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Speaker 2: I mean, of course they knew, but I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: these quarterbacks. They know all about this particular group of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: They've scouted all that.

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Speaker 3: They've talked to position coaches, they've been in the buildings.

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Speaker 3: But this is different.

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Speaker 2: This is the opportunity now for the coaching staff to

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Speaker 2: go in and start learning these players. But it's new

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Speaker 2: for them to it's new for them, right, They've just

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Speaker 2: started working on this stuff, and so now it's even

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Speaker 2: the quarterback coach. I think that's one of the reasons

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Speaker 2: why Tomlin when he goes to Mobile is the only

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Speaker 2: head coach that you see running around on the field

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Speaker 2: down there. It's a different I think it's crazy that

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Speaker 2: others don't. Yeah, I mean that's a golden opportunity. I

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Speaker 2: think that a lot of head coaches miss. And the

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Speaker 2: Combine is not the same. No, I mean the combines, well,

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Speaker 2: teams that don't even send their they don't even send

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Speaker 2: their coaching staffs to these things.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I sat in in a couple of player interviews

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Speaker 3: at the Combine and kind of thought, this is so overrated.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's fifteen minutes where they blow a horn

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Speaker 3: and speed data. It's speed dating. And by the time

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Speaker 3: they shake hands and everyone, hey, how you doing slapping

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Speaker 3: each other on the back, it's you're already a minute

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Speaker 3: or two in. You start talking and it's fine, but

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Speaker 3: it's very regimented, and they can kind of give you

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Speaker 3: answers that are not they've they've practiced and you know,

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00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 3: what'd you see on this play? Or you know, what

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Speaker 3: do you think of this bubble? And that's okay, but

577
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: they've been coached up. They've been coached up, and then

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Speaker 3: they go to the next team, and then they go

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Speaker 3: the next team, and everything about the Combine is just

580
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Speaker 3: duckling's in a row. Now I gotta go bench. Now

581
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Speaker 3: I got to go to the bod pod. Now I

582
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Speaker 3: gotta have a whole day of medical. It's a grind

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Speaker 3: where the Senior Bowl is a lot more relaxed and

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Speaker 3: a lot more free time and a lot more ability

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Speaker 3: to find their personalities, you know.

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Speaker 2: And you get to see these guys in a practice

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Speaker 2: type setting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that playing football. They don't play football to combine, No, right, right,

589
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: this is the last time anyone plays football.

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Speaker 2: It's the opportunity to see these guys the way the

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Speaker 2: scouts got to see them when they actually went into

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Speaker 2: the college and wanted practice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, And the liaison will tell you, oh, he's

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00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: our team leader and blah blah blah. But that doesn't

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00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: mean they're telling you the truth, you know, and you

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00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 3: watch practice like it kind of seems like a leader.

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Speaker 3: But maybe I'm just on the wrong day.

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget being told about Marquise Pouncey at Florida's

599
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Speaker 2: Pro day that's why Tomland goes to the pro days too.

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Speaker 2: At Florida's Pro Day, now, remember the chat's going on.

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Speaker 2: They got a lot of dudes at Florida in two

602
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Speaker 2: thousand and they were loaded. They had a bunch of

603
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Speaker 2: guys that ended up being high draft picks. They won

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Speaker 2: a national championship, and everybody followed whatever Marquise Pouncey wanted

605
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Speaker 2: to do when they were doing the drills, Marquise, where

606
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Speaker 2: are we going next?

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Speaker 4: Where we go?

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Speaker 2: So everybody was asking from the from the highest rated

609
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Speaker 2: guy to the lowest rated guy, they all followed.

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Speaker 3: Marquise t Bow and Hernandez couldn't have been any more different,

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Speaker 3: but they both listened to Pouncy. Yeah, now it doesn't

612
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 3: matter if he can't block anybody, right, but.

613
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Speaker 2: If he's a good player, and then you see that, yeah,

614
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: now I'm interested.

615
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Speaker 3: And that translated the pros. I mean, he was someone

616
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Speaker 3: that was followed by adults that are millionaires that are

617
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Speaker 3: also really good at their job.

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Speaker 2: You know, and so that that matters, especially so at

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Speaker 2: the quarterback position.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're really in the quarterback market, this

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Speaker 3: probably as much as any team out there, because I

622
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Speaker 3: don't think the Steelers are gonna take one in round one,

623
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Speaker 3: but round two it becomes interesting, or maybe even trade

624
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Speaker 3: up in round two if you might have one.

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Speaker 2: To take one in round one. If there's again that

626
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: might have.

627
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 3: Charge becomes the guy or Milroe or whatever. We know

628
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: how these guys get driven up. I mean this time

629
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Speaker 3: ten years ago or whatever, Carson Wentz was not considered

630
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Speaker 3: a first round pick. He went second overall. Yeah, you

631
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Speaker 3: know what I means, will change, right, There's a lot

632
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Speaker 3: of those examples. Baker Mayfield was not expected to be

633
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Speaker 3: the first overall pick in January. You know, there's a

634
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: lot of those. So one of these dudes could catch fire,

635
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: or they're just gonna sit there and be like, I'll

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Speaker 3: take him in round two, and I'm gonna tell anybody,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So so it might you know that, and maybe

639
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: there's two guys that you really like, which is ideal.

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Speaker 2: Oh but you know you so, I think that what

641
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: happens next week goes a long way towards determining what

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00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: happens with the Steelers quarterback position.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if that changes. Do I pick Wilson

644
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Speaker 3: already pick think he does?

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Speaker 2: If if you've identified somebody that you would either take

646
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Speaker 2: it twenty one or you think is going to be

647
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Speaker 2: available at fifty two, and you think he's your next.

648
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Speaker 3: Guy, and there's the argument, not to interrupt you, but

649
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Speaker 3: there is the argument that then just take my twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Well there's that, right, yeah, you know, just my point being,

651
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Speaker 2: if you think that's the case, I don't care about

652
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Speaker 2: Justin Field's.

653
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Speaker 3: Upside, and Russ would be good for you because right.

654
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Speaker 2: Now Russell Wilson, and I think that anybody who would

655
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Speaker 2: argue differently isn't looking at the numbers overall. The better

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Speaker 2: quarterback in twenty twenty, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Well, definitely, in twenty four was well, definitely.

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Speaker 2: It was Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

660
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Speaker 2: The quarterback who's more like to give you the better

661
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: chance to win in twenty twenty five is probably Russell Wilson.

662
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 3: Probably Wilson right.

663
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: Because people forget in the first six games that Justin

664
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: Field started, the Steelers had more than three hundred yards

665
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: of offense twice twice.

666
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 3: Right, does Fields give you the ability to run for

667
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy yards a game?

668
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: Sure, but he also passed for do you know they

669
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: had one hundred and thirty three passing yards against the Falcons.

670
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 2: They had one hundred and ten passing yards against the Broncos.

671
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: You said, what they won that game thirteen ten or

672
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 3: something to Yeah, I mean right, and you know how

673
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: good they.

674
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: Were winning eighteen ten thirteen to six. You know then

675
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: they he had two thirty two against the Chargers. Okay,

676
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: that's fi Yeah, good game, that's that was a logo.

677
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: You know, that's an average game for Russell Wilson. Now

678
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: he did have two eighty two against the Colts, but

679
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: they lost that game twenty seven, twenty four.

680
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And clearly going back to the Senior Bowl stuff too.

681
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: If you identify a Senior Bowl quarterback or one it's

682
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: not even there, whatever one, you'd love Wilson. W'd be

683
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: a good influence on him and is just opening day starter.

684
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: And if things go off the tracks or this guy's

685
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: too good to keep off the field, I wonder I

686
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: start to lean more and more that the depth chart

687
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: looks something like one of the guys from last year,

688
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 3: a day two pick, if not earlier. And whoever your

689
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: three is. Yeah, I mean I can't imagine they're going

690
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: to go get Winston to be year two or some

691
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: of these guys from outside the organization just aren't that appealing.

692
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: And again I'm not trashing Justin Fields.

693
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: No, No.

694
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: They also threw for one hundred and thirty four yards

695
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: against the Cowboys and one hundred and ten against the Raiders,

696
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: so he was I think there's a little bit of

697
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: revisionist history there. Do I think Justin Fields is a

698
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: guy that you can win with, Yes, I do, yeah, yeah,

699
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: but you have to play a very specific way, and

700
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: I'd like to unleash more. I would like to do that,

701
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: but they weren't willing to do that. Early in the season.

702
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: They were treating him more like he was Kenny still

703
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: Kenny Picktt and playing that style of football. Right Wilson, Yeah,

704
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: Wilson allowed them to unlock more of the offense. George

705
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: Pickens took off. Yeah, once Russell Wilson became the quarterback.

706
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: Right, I think people definitely don't put enough stock in

707
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: what the offense looked like the day they changed to Wilson, and.

708
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: People were complaining about a big time about the offense

709
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: early in the season. Now they were winning games and

710
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: they were running for more yards than what they ended

711
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: up running for later in the season. But part of

712
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: that was because the Fields was adding something to that.

713
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: He's not the passer that Russell Wilson is. Anybody who

714
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: anybody who thinks that he is isn't. You're not looking

715
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: at the same thing.

716
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: Right, I mean you could see it in a seven

717
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: and seven Drold camp. I mean, it's one's a much

718
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: better thrower of them. Might he be a better quarterback

719
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: five years from now?

720
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely, But if we're talking about for next season,

721
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: not long term, then that's a different conversation.

722
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

723
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: And if you love one of these quarterbacks, then you're

724
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: looking at the short term.

725
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: And hopefully they do. Hopefully this crop of quarterbacks that

726
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: would be idea. You know, like you don't just take

727
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 3: one to take one. You don't want to go into

728
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: the traft being like these guys are okay, but we

729
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: have to take one, and that's how mistakes are made.

730
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: You know.

731
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: Hopefully there's a couple that they'd be very comfortable with

732
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: and we'll be learning that stuff. Hopefully boots on the

733
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: ground andmobile, you know, and they will be too. Yeah.

734
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: I just again, I'm not trashing Justin Fields here. I

735
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: think Justin Fields did great work early in the season,

736
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: didn't turn the ball over, you know, got them in

737
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 2: position to win four of those six games, really all

738
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: six of them, they were in position to win. They

739
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: didn't win them all. But I think if we went

740
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: back now and looked at that, like, well, maybe they

741
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: should have gone six to zero in that stretch.

742
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: I mean, losing the Dallas and losing the Colts doesn't

743
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: look great today. No, you know, at the time you

744
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: thought Dallas was better than they were.

745
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: But you know, unfortunately in those two games you couldn't

746
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: outscore those teams and you tried. They again through for

747
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty two yards against the Colts.

748
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: And obviously, if you go with Wilson, how can we

749
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: have that version not the way the season ended? Of course,

750
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: I mean obviously the elephant in the room is well,

751
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: you know, and Field didn't get in the game much.

752
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: Then would have gone worse with Fields? Who knows. But again,

753
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: I think there is some revisionist history of the first

754
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 3: twelve weeks of the season or whatever. You know, they

755
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: were not really close. Yeah at a time, right, No,

756
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 3: it wasn't.

757
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: And so you know, I get that people were upset

758
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: with how it ended.

759
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

760
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again if if we're talking about who you know,

761
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: which one of them is going to be the better

762
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: quarterback three years from now. That's a different conversation. Oh yeah, yeah,

763
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: Wilson might not be in the league right maybe not

764
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 2: being in the league, and Fields may continue to progress.

765
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: But I don't know. To me again, if I'm making

766
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: that decision, that's what I got to ask myself. Who

767
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: gives me the best chance to win in twenty twenty five?

768
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: So all that aside, Well, I guess thought it all aside.

769
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: What if they don't like any of the one the draft?

770
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: Then what do you do?

771
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: And then I think you go with Fields?

772
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: Or do you try to get both?

773
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: Or you try to get both?

774
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

775
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know again you want you still want the

776
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: upside because you don't have that guy in your building. Yeah,

777
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: but you need to try to win games.

778
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 3: If you look at this draft and say, Ward's the

779
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: only one I want, and I can't get them, you know,

780
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to give up the farm for him,

781
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: I would love to get them both back. Yeah. I

782
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: don't know if they would both say yes.

783
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 2: To that though, that's yeah, yeah, that's the problem.

784
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: Because who else is calling? I don't know A ton

785
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: of teams will call them and say you're our starter though. Yeah,

786
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, and it's a pretty good situation, would be.

787
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be a situation you get an opportunity

788
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: to come in and compete to be our starter.

789
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean we brought the Colts a bunch, like, okay,

790
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: we still like Richardson, but you're a fallback play you're

791
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: our fallback.

792
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to do that, right.

793
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: I mean, the Raiders or the Giants or the Titans

794
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: or one of those guys gonna call you the one

795
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: them and be like you're the guy. I don't know.

796
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 3: I bet not. Yeah.

797
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyways, that's crazy. I'm let's get to a break.

798
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 3: Here.

799
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson, I am Dale Lolly, and I

800
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: can imagine what the comments are going to be on

801
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: that on YouTube.

802
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 3: We go to look at from every act, we got

803
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: to try.

804
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: Just bringing up different scenarios, folks.

805
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: It'd be great to find one of the draft Yeah.

806
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Uh. Anyways, let's get to a break. We'll be

807
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: back with more right after this.

808
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

809
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

810
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation.

811
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: Radio and welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

812
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt rookie quarterbacks. Yeah, they don't

813
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: get to the super Bowl? No?

814
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: Is this the first time and he's even gotten to

815
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: a championship game? No, no, no, I know I heard

816
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: that even close, not even close. Ben Roethlisberger did it. Okay,

817
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: but they none have ever played none of ever bowl.

818
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of ever starts to the super Bowl. It's

819
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: been I'm looking to hear through these notes. I want

820
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: to find that spot. But yeah, they they've all fallen

821
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: short of that, and.

822
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna change, but I don't thinking

823
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 3: is really really impressive.

824
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, Daniels has tied Roethlisberger for the most

825
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: wins by a rookie quarterback in his first season fourteen.

826
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: They both have fourteen wins, two zero in the playoffs

827
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: as a rookie.

828
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: Is wow?

829
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: Pretty good?

830
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, the only road wins of the year.

831
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 2: You know, the group of quarterbacks who've gotten this far

832
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: this far or I guess in the in their divisional playoffs, Matt,

833
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 2: that's the divisional stuff.

834
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: Rock Purty got the championship is a rookie.

835
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So here here's the list. Finally, all right,

836
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: Mark Sanchez got to it conference championship game that was nine. Okay,

837
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco eight, Wow, Steelers beat I wouldn't have got that, okay,

838
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: and Roethlisberger and O four. Sean King was the first

839
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: to do it in nineteen ninety nine. Wow with Tampa Bay.

840
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: Okay.

841
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: All each of the previous five lost the conference championship game.

842
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: They averaged their team averaged fourteen point two points, one

843
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two passing yards, four touchdowns, nine interceptions.

844
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: I mean, Ben aside though it's not a real great list,

845
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: It's not Marino and lway in Monte. I mean, like,

846
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: you know, Perty might be the second best guy on

847
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: the list. You know, it made me think, and I

848
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: don't think this is the case with the Commanders that

849
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: and it actually is a little bit of the case

850
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 3: with Ben at the time. You're not a high flying offense,

851
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 3: you know, coming with the Herokies. If you look at

852
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 3: the East Commander team is.

853
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: You look at the things that those other teams had

854
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: in common that the ones, the previous ones that failed.

855
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: The Rock Perty had the number one over a defense

856
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: they scored defensive. Sanchez had the number one scoring defense.

857
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: These are Rex Ryan teams.

858
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Flacco had the number three scoring defense. Roethlisberger had

859
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: the number one scoring defense. Sean King had the number

860
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: three scoring defense. King with Tampa Tampa. Yeah, okay, right,

861
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: and again that's what Ben end up being awesome. We

862
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: all know that the rest of the guys, But Daniels

863
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: is driving the ship to get there.

864
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's a little bit odd. I mean

865
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: it's very odd. Maybe it's the first time in history.

866
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

867
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: Now, he is more of a runner than all those guys.

868
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 3: But sure.

869
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean Roethlisberger when he was younger, was very active.

870
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: Move but not Flacco, not Sanchez, No, already moved. Okay, okay, Yeah,

871
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 2: nobody moves like Daniels.

872
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 3: No, not like Daniels, these guys, right, but there's also

873
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: been a lot of guys who come in the league

874
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: that are super athletic over the last ten years that

875
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: haven't done it.

876
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

877
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 2: Does this make you rethink the Steelers win over Washington

878
00:39:59,280 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: any differently?

879
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when the schedule came out, I'm like,

880
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: Washington stinks. I mean, that's a nice come out. Of

881
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: the by blow them out and get ready for the

882
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 3: hard stuff. And then but when it came around, I thought,

883
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: I think we both took the Steelers to win the game,

884
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 3: but thought, this is going to be a challenge. I mean,

885
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 3: these guys are way out kicking their coverage at that

886
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 3: point of the season. I think Tomlin's proven to be

887
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: really good coming out of a buye. That's something people

888
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: don't talk enough about, and I think that helped them

889
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 3: a lot. And then wow, an avalanche of you know,

890
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: a marathon hit you know, I mean in terms of

891
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: a workload after that. But this Commander's team isn't a fluke.

892
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 3: I don't think they're one of the best five or

893
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 3: six teams in the league, to be honest, but I

894
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 3: think that their wins are legit. Defense is way better

895
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: than I expected. I thought their O line would be

896
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: soft and a problem. And you know, them not having

897
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 3: caused me this week is going to be an issue too.

898
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 3: Is he definitely out? I haven't seen any of the

899
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: a cl oh. Okay, okay, it's didn't look good. Yeah,

900
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: he's their best lineman, he's our best lineman.

901
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: And tearing your a cl now yeah, yeah, which Jeopardy

902
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 2: for next year, and you got.

903
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: The o Jen Carter in that front and blah blah blah.

904
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: Right, the Steelers that day in Washington, with landover as

905
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: it were, gave up two hundred and forty two yards

906
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: of offense.

907
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: To a really good offense at that point.

908
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: That's a season low, I bet Washington Commanders. Yeah, yeah,

909
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: to forty two in that day. And if you remember

910
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: that game, Jaydeon Daniels did not run. No, he tried

911
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 2: to run.

912
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: Oh, because they played Lamar the next week, right, and

913
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: they kept both those guys.

914
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: And then they beat So they beat those two teams

915
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: back to back.

916
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: And condensed the pocket and Boa constricted the quarterback and

917
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: made things tough on him. Yeah, and it probably was

918
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: Daniel's worst game of the year. I'd have to go

919
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: through it. I hadn't studied it to that degree. But

920
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: it's probably the least comfortable he's been. Yeah, he's a

921
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: really hard guy to make uncomfortable.

922
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: And really the score was twenty twenty seven. Remember that

923
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: was the game where they had to fake punt that

924
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: basically handed the Commander's points the game. Again, Tomlin, he

925
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: doesn't roll the dice enough. Well, sometimes you do and

926
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't work out work out right, right, but in

927
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: that game it did. They still won the football game,

928
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: but it just again they went on the road and

929
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: beat this team that's in the NFC Championship game.

930
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and it's not much different version of the Commanders.

931
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: No.

932
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: I mean they were playing well.

933
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: And you know, the Steelers on in that game did

934
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: again did good things. The falling, you know, they the

935
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: whole the whole season was not well. They lost their

936
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: last five games. Again, if you know, there's a lot

937
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: of high points. I mean, you sprinkle those games in

938
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: a little bit differently, would people feel differently about this one.

939
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: I think that's why people are so bitter, is because,

940
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: like you come out like that's portion of the season.

941
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: A lot of optimism around this team, rightfully slow. So

942
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 3: they're playing really good football and beating quality opponents at

943
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: that point, you know, and you're thinking, Okay, this is

944
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: a really good team, and I think the truth is

945
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 3: somewhere in between, you know, right that it always is right, that's.

946
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: The reality of it, you know, get you know, when

947
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: they were ten and three, everybody's you know, you were

948
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: saying that they were Super Bowl contenders.

949
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we do power ranks every Tuesday. They

950
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: were like seven a lot of those weeks. You know,

951
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: that's in striking distance, you know.

952
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, absolutely, you know. And the Commanders were a

953
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: team that was right there around them.

954
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were in that neighborhood too at that point, right, you.

955
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: Know, they just happened to catch fire at the right time,

956
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: and good for them. But you know, play the right

957
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: teams in the playoffs. You know, Detroit decided to turn

958
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: the football over five times in that football game.

959
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

960
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

961
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 3: The turnover stuff in the playoffs is crazy, I mean absolutely,

962
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: And some of the stuff that in that packet about

963
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 3: how few turnovers the Eagles and Chiefs and Bills have

964
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: had lately and they're winning streaks when they win the

965
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: turnover battle or astronomical stuff, you know, and all the

966
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 3: home teams except Washington and won all the games this year.

967
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: There's a lot of trends, a.

968
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Speaker 2: Lot of trends. And the Commanders are four six turnovers

969
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: and those two wins, and you know, the one against

970
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: against Tampa Bay just happened to be point blank range

971
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: late in the game.

972
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if you caught this, but the one

973
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: thing in that packet that stood out to me is

974
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 3: the four teams have the best percentage on fourth downs

975
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: in the league. I mean, that doesn't mean you should

976
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 3: go for it every time, but they're good at it,

977
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 3: you know, And you wouldn't think that with hurts, Washington's

978
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: off the charts and mobile quarterbacks help, you know, help,

979
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: it goes a long long way. I mean, Mahomes is

980
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: great and money downs always has been. Allen is really

981
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: hard to stop on fourth and one as it hurts.

982
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 3: But I find it interesting that the four best teams

983
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 3: this season on fourth downs are the ones still still swimming.

984
00:44:58,719 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 3: You can't tell me it's a fluke.

985
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but again I'm with you. I don't think it

986
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: means you go for it. That doesn't mean you go

987
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: for single time. You know, sometimes you do need to

988
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: take the points.

989
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: Absolutely, those are two different conversations. Yeah, when you have to,

990
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 3: they're good at get it. Yeah. Yeah.

991
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: But anyways, that's going to do it for today's show, Matt,

992
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: another good one in the books. Hopefully people are bad. Yeah,

993
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: I thought it was good.

994
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: I'll give it.

995
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: But we'll be back again tomorrow. We'll start to a

996
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: breakdown the conference championship games a little bit more maybe

997
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: talk a little more draft and that kind of stuff

998
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: where the Steelers I might want to go here with

999
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: some stuff.

1000
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Speaker 3: Well, it looks like Glenda the Jets just got finalized too.

1001
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Speaker 3: I mean that kind of stuff happened.

1002
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of stuff is happening at this point

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Speaker 2: of the year. But for my partner Matt Williamson, for

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Speaker 2: Justin Miller here on site running the Justin Miller hotline,

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Speaker 2: for Tyler viitt Meyer making sure that our video gets

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Speaker 2: for listening to this edition of The Drive on the

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