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Speaker 1: Welcome to America's, Mr Garbutschaw. Tear down this wall, or

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Speaker 1: If you've got health care already, then you can keep

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Speaker 1: your plan. If you're satisfied with Trunk is not president

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Speaker 1: of the United States, take it to the bank. Together,

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Speaker 1: we will make America great again. We'll never Sharendvan. It's

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Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton with

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Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred buck. That's eight four four

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. They backed off, at least for now. I

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Speaker 1: had a feeling they would. And here we are. Phones

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Speaker 1: you think about the House postsponing delaying the vote on

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Speaker 1: the health care bill, the first major legislative step of

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, And here we are. It can be fixed.

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Speaker 1: This is not the end of the world. I don't

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Speaker 1: First of all, according to the Tally that's up on

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Speaker 1: forty six are voting yes or would vote yes if

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Speaker 1: care bill. This is not surprising to me at all.

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Speaker 1: I have been critical of this bill from the start,

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Speaker 1: But this is a moment of reckoning for the GOP

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Speaker 1: Right now, I want to focus more on the thirty

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Speaker 1: thousand foot view of all of this. Um it really

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Speaker 1: comes down to free will. Those of you who have

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Speaker 1: about predestination, know all about Calvinism, know all about free will,

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Speaker 1: know all about these different discussions about the human condition.

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Speaker 1: Do we really get to choose? Do we get to

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Speaker 1: this is all a question of do we have free

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Speaker 1: Grouber not to be confused with Hans Gruber from die Hard,

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Speaker 1: great character by the way, phenomenal movie. Maybe somebody will

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Speaker 1: fundamental problem of do we have free will and healthcare?

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Speaker 1: around the world, there are lots of Unfortunately, there are

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Speaker 1: lots of terrible, violent, horrible places. Fortunately for US. America's

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Speaker 1: incredible and it's a privilege to be here and it

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Speaker 1: is winning the lottery to be born here in terms

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Speaker 1: of you know, human history. I mean, it's an amazing

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Speaker 1: place to be. And we can't just let everybody who

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Speaker 1: wants to come into this country come into this country.

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Speaker 1: And that's becoming a controversial statement. Now I say that

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Speaker 1: to you with full knowledge of the fact that saying

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Speaker 1: that automatically sets off in many people's mind some alarms. Well,

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Speaker 1: that sounds a bit and this is a very straightforward statement.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody who wants to come to this country can

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Speaker 1: come to this country. That's automatically setting you up, as

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Speaker 1: in the minds of a lot of Democrats, certainly the

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Speaker 1: entirety of the progressive left movement in this country. That

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Speaker 1: simple and straightforward statement makes you a big it makes

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Speaker 1: you hateful, makes you evil, forget about wrong on policy.

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Speaker 1: And so with these Central American unaccompanied miners coming across

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Speaker 1: the border, these are these are illegal aliens who are

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Speaker 1: coming here through a loophole in the system, and they

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Speaker 1: were in one case, one of the accused who was

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Speaker 1: supposed to go and show up in court. And the

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Speaker 1: shortened version of this is, Yeah, he was supposed to

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Speaker 1: go through proceedings and maybe he could have been deported,

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Speaker 1: but instead he just stayed. He just stayed, and then

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Speaker 1: he enrolled in school, and he's eighteen and he enrolls

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Speaker 1: as a freshman. And now we're told that also Maryland

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Speaker 1: is considering, right after this happen, is considering it's becoming

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Speaker 1: a sanctuary what is it, a sanctuary state? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Maryland is moving to be a sanctuary state. So people

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Speaker 1: look at this and they say, all right, this is

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Speaker 1: somebody who shouldn't have been in the the the alleged attacker.

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Speaker 1: And I know people say, well, alleged. This is a

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Speaker 1: for legal reasons. One is not you're not guilty in

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Speaker 1: this country, legal or illegal. You're not. Well, he's guilty

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Speaker 1: of being illegal, but you're not guilty of a crime

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Speaker 1: until you are found guilty of it. So we should

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Speaker 1: say alleged because that's an important part of our jurisprudence.

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Speaker 1: And while the Left maybe willing to throw out our

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Speaker 1: court system when it suits them, we'll be talking more

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Speaker 1: about that later on in the show. I do think

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Speaker 1: that some of these protections are essential for all of us,

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Speaker 1: and even some of these conventions about how we speak

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Speaker 1: about these things. Oh on. On that note, this is

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Speaker 1: always of course being reported as an undocumented undocumented immigrant.

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Speaker 1: The terminology that the euphemism here, no, this is this

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Speaker 1: is somebody who's illegal. You're he's in the country illegally

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Speaker 1: and was caught at the border and was allowed to

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Speaker 1: then go join relatives and didn't go through the proceedings

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Speaker 1: as he was supposed to, and now is accused of

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Speaker 1: first degree rape. There are a lot of immigration policy

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Speaker 1: questions that come up here, and people of course are

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Speaker 1: outraged about this. Um why would somebody be able to

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Speaker 1: do this? And I forget about the horrific sexual assault,

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Speaker 1: but just that you come across the border, you're able

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Speaker 1: to go join your family. And they allowed a hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand of these unaccompanied miners. By the way,

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Speaker 1: do you think they were proving their age? They just were,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure telling a story at the border about how

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Speaker 1: they were fleeing violence and gang activity in in these

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Speaker 1: Central American countries, Honduras, Guatemala, Salvador. These are not the

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Speaker 1: I know that they have per capita, among the highest

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Speaker 1: homicide rates, certainly in the in the Western world. May

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Speaker 1: in fact be the highest in either Honduras or else.

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Speaker 1: I think Honduras actually might be number one. It's certainly close.

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Speaker 1: But there are a lot of countries all over the

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Speaker 1: world that have people that are in difficult circumstances. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we open the doors and say, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: if you can get here, you can stay. But there's

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Speaker 1: a powerful political constituency here. The Democrat Party holds itself

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Speaker 1: up as largely open borders, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 1: immigrants of Hispanic or Latino origin. Democratic Party views this

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Speaker 1: as essential for its future. And this is just about

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Speaker 1: straight up power politics. This isn't It isn't because they're

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Speaker 1: so moral. It's not because they love people more than

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Speaker 1: Republicans do. It is politics that goes all the way

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Speaker 1: to the top, and it's about gathering together as many

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Speaker 1: different ethnic groups as political blocks as you can in

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Speaker 1: order to create well the coalition of different interests that

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Speaker 1: is the modern Democratic Party. So that's where they come

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Speaker 1: down on this issue. They don't really care that much

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Speaker 1: about anything else other than Democrats, other than just votes,

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Speaker 1: and they figure that there will be set is roughly

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Speaker 1: that the breakdown of those of Latino or Hispanic origin

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Speaker 1: who will vote Democrat of a Republican. So you look

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Speaker 1: at this, you have a sanctuary Maryland wanted to become

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Speaker 1: a sanctuary state, just deciding that federal law doesn't really

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Speaker 1: matter anymore, that we're all going to have to pay

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Speaker 1: for the benefits of illegals who come and decide that

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Speaker 1: they're going to get access to the system in various ways. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And this is just the kind of activity that the

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Speaker 1: American people, I think are sick of, at least those

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Speaker 1: who voted for Trump and are hoping the Republicans build

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Speaker 1: a wall and stop all of this. But then you

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Speaker 1: get into another their aspect of it, and that is

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Speaker 1: that we will be told and this is the media

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Speaker 1: coverage of it, which I believe really upsets a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, because we are told that we should always

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Speaker 1: hear the story about the illegal that I've seen interviews

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Speaker 1: on TV time and about the illegal who's a straight

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Speaker 1: a student and the pride of his or her family

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Speaker 1: and just doing all these fantastic things, and that is Look,

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Speaker 1: anybody who's you know, we're all children of God. I

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Speaker 1: get it. Anyone who's doing a good job, I understand

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Speaker 1: that you know that person and their family should be

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Speaker 1: able to be proud, but there should be proud. But

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Speaker 1: we see these news stories because they're trying to show

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Speaker 1: us that this is always the reality. And even if

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Speaker 1: it's the reality, times out of a hundred, one out

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Speaker 1: of a hundred, the reality is something else, one out

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Speaker 1: of a hundred. And I'm just making up those numbers.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they are, and I don't really

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Speaker 1: care whatever the number is. There's also a cost to

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Speaker 1: allowing illegals into the country. There's a cost to bringing

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Speaker 1: in a hundred and fifty thousand unaccompanied miners, and we

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Speaker 1: should be allowed to talk about that, and we should

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Speaker 1: be told to the government's ability to tally at all

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Speaker 1: what that cost really is. But instead you have largely

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Speaker 1: a blackout on this issue, not not much talk about

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Speaker 1: at all. I looked at the ABC News website before

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Speaker 1: I told you that they do have a story on there.

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Speaker 1: I think this story has gotten traction, although for the

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Speaker 1: first few days it certainly did not. ABC, NBC, and CBS.

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Speaker 1: We're not spending time on this, and I'd be curious

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Speaker 1: to see what the coverage was like on on CNN

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Speaker 1: and MSNBC as well. But you'll see that the media

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Speaker 1: gets excited to tell certain stories that involve a horrific

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Speaker 1: sexual assault. They really do. They They all couldn't wait

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Speaker 1: to tell us about the Rolling Stone completely fake and

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Speaker 1: debunked gang rape story because it was about privilege and

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Speaker 1: white privilege and fraternity brothers and uh, you know, male

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Speaker 1: patriarchy and dominance and sexual violence at all, these themes

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Speaker 1: that they love to talk about. When you have one,

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Speaker 1: possibly two illegal aliens who are in this country and

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Speaker 1: have to be three grades behind where they are agewise,

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Speaker 1: because they obviously speak very little, if any English, and

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Speaker 1: are allegedly involved in a horrific and brutal sexual assault,

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Speaker 1: a rape of a young girl in her high school,

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Speaker 1: that's not a story that the media wants to tell.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's fair to ask why are there

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Speaker 1: some stories of sexual assault involving otherwise private citizens, not

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Speaker 1: public figures, some stories that they think should be symbolic

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Speaker 1: of a much broader problem, you know what? Or the

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Speaker 1: Duke Lacrosse case. I remember reading those headlines, the New

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Speaker 1: York Times headlines, you know, Duke lacrosse team rapists. Where

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Speaker 1: privilege and white male dominance at all? This you know where,

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Speaker 1: where sex and racism and white privilege all came into

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Speaker 1: one place and they could talk about it. They're not

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Speaker 1: drawing any conclusions about an illegal who was caught at

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Speaker 1: the border, was able to slip through the system, was

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Speaker 1: a freshman as an eighteen year old in high school

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Speaker 1: because he doesn't speak English, or doesn't is not able

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Speaker 1: to function at his grade level. And of course you

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Speaker 1: can say, well, buckle, isn't that Well, you have to pay,

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Speaker 1: you have to pay for English as a second language training.

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Speaker 1: All these these are aspects of an immigration policy he

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Speaker 1: might want to discuss. But there are no lessons to

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Speaker 1: be drawn from this. For the Left. An illegal alien

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Speaker 1: who crossed the border, was caught, was allowed to stay

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Speaker 1: with his family, slipped through the system, and now allegedly

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Speaker 1: engaged in a horrific sexual crime is not representative of

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Speaker 1: anything to the Democrats. This is just something that can happen. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: But let's talk more about all the valedictorians. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna do stories on the news about illegal

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Speaker 1: aliens whore valedictorians, you also have to do stories on

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Speaker 1: the news about a legal aliens who commit heinous crimes

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Speaker 1: and not so clearly show a preference for one over

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Speaker 1: the other, because why why are we only allowed to

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00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: know the benefits of illegal entry in this country? Why

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00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: can't we know the costs too? Then I want to

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00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: tell you the truth. They want to be dishonest with you.

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Speaker 1: Eight four, eight to five on the phone lines. If

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Speaker 1: you have any thoughts on this case, I would like

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Speaker 1: to hear them. Uh, And we'll be right back in

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Speaker 1: a matter of minutes. The House Republicans are gonna be

606
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Speaker 1: in there closed door meeting up on the hill. It's

607
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: gonna be happening here just in just in a few minutes,

608
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Speaker 1: where they get to talk about this health care situation.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think this is there are there are

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Speaker 1: complicated ways to discuss this, and there's the straightforward way

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Speaker 1: and the complicate of ways to get into all the

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Speaker 1: different details, the straightforward ways to just say that the

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Speaker 1: American people, or at least there are Republicans who voted

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Speaker 1: for a lot of these senators and members of Congress.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're promised repeal and replaced. They were not promised, Uh,

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Speaker 1: change some of the change some of the aspects of

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Speaker 1: Obamacare around and make it work better. And I wonder

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Speaker 1: what impact this has on the Trump presidency as well

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Speaker 1: long term. It's too early to say this is Look,

620
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: maybe they worked this whole thing out, maybe it's fine,

621
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Speaker 1: but you've got Representative Massy, for example, saying that this

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Speaker 1: could well cause problems, not just remembers of Congress, but

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Speaker 1: for Trump himself. I've counted thirty Conservatives who are voting

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00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: no on this, and they really aren't changing their position,

625
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: and haven't changed their position in the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: We're afraid he's a one term president if this passes.

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Speaker 1: We are trying to save him. The phone calls to

628
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: my office are running two against versus four. Only four

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Speaker 1: votes from my constituents are in favor of this. So

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00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: this electorally voting for this is bad today and it's

631
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: gonna be really bad in two or three years when

632
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: the changes start kicking in. They're just making adjustments. They

633
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: are not ripping this thing up root and branch, which

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00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: is what they promised. And I would want to ask

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Speaker 1: Paul Ryan, you know, maybe maybe we'll get him. We'll

636
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: reach we'll reach out, we'll see if Paul enjoyed us.

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Speaker 1: I know he's a busy guy, um, but I would

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00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: want to ask him why why they promises why the

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Speaker 1: show votes in the past, Well that will repeal and

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00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 1: then this and then something else, you know, maybe fool

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Speaker 1: me tomorrow from Bush. Fool me once, can't can't get

642
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: fooled again. And I agree, this is not what we

643
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: were told we were going to get, and here we are.

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00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: Not only are they offering this up, but there's this

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Speaker 1: suggestion that if you have questions about this, you're being

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Speaker 1: disloyal to the party. And if you have questions about this,

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Speaker 1: you are trying to subvert Trump's agenda. I have never

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Speaker 1: been never Trump, and I am clearly in favor of

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Speaker 1: as much success for this administration as possible. But I

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Speaker 1: look at this and I think to myself, it's just

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Speaker 1: not a good plan. He's an x CIA officer who

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Speaker 1: knows how to outsmart the enemies of liberty. What I

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Speaker 1: do have very particular set of skills. Buck Sexton with

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Speaker 1: America Now Team your mission, should you choose to accept it,

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Speaker 1: call the Freedom Hunt Operations Center nine hundred Buck Big

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Speaker 1: Contact unless you're under hostile surveillance two eight to five. Everybody.

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Speaker 1: We're joined by Rich Lowry. He is editor of National Review.

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Speaker 1: He's a syndicated columnist and commentator for Fox News, Rich,

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Speaker 1: great to have you, Thanks for calling in, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. Okay, we got the House GOP closed door

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Speaker 1: meeting happening right now. What do you what what is

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Speaker 1: happening in your mind with this whole healthcare bill? How

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Speaker 1: do we get to this point? Well, it looks like

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Speaker 1: it's unspooling before our eyes. I was talking earlier to

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Speaker 1: a member who's not a conservative bomb thrower, he's not

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Speaker 1: a moderate, probably pretty much a median House Republican member

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Speaker 1: who likes Paul Ryan a lot, and he was thinking

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Speaker 1: he's going to stand up and say, look things done,

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Speaker 1: and let's just start over with something we can actually

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Speaker 1: defend and that we like, which I think would be

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Speaker 1: a good idea. And that's kind of how they got

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Speaker 1: into the fix in the first place. They started with

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Speaker 1: the compromise of a compromise based on their understanding of

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Speaker 1: what the Senate parliamentarian would permit when the bill gets

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Speaker 1: to the Senate, and it was just kind of a

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Speaker 1: disaster out of the gate. Rich, I've been suggesting for

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Speaker 1: a while, I'm waiting to hear a compelling answer, and

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Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't exist. So it might be a question

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Speaker 1: that just makes the point repeatedly here. But it seems

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Speaker 1: to me that if one wants the most conservative and

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Speaker 1: free market healthcare bill imaginable, one does not start with,

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Speaker 1: as you put at, the compromise of the compromise. If

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Speaker 1: if negotiation is the art, or rather politics is the

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Speaker 1: art of the possible, why not negotiate against the most

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Speaker 1: conservative version? And whatever happened to all those repeal votes

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Speaker 1: that were taking before that really was all for show,

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Speaker 1: I suppose. Yeah. Well, a couple of points. What Ryan

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Speaker 1: will tell you in response to the first question is, look,

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Speaker 1: the Senate can't even take this up unless it meets

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Speaker 1: the parliamentarians standards for what can pass under so called reconciliation.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's necessarily true or not. And

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Speaker 1: to the repeal bills, and this is where we get

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Speaker 1: to some of the hypocrisy of the House Freedom Caucus.

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Speaker 1: They didn't fully repeal Obamacare either because they didn't deal

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Speaker 1: with the regulations, which supposedly can't go through reconciliation. And

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Speaker 1: I think basically the House Freedom Caucus they won't tell

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Speaker 1: you this openly, at least a lot of them won't,

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Speaker 1: but they just don't want to replace so their problems

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Speaker 1: not just with the repeal not going far enough that

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Speaker 1: it's the fact that there's a replacement on there as well.

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Speaker 1: And and this is the deeper problem. It's a party

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Speaker 1: that's deeply conflicted on a promise it's made voters for

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Speaker 1: years that it would repeal and replace Obamacare, and so

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Speaker 1: that they don't really want to do what they've been

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is really when we get to the

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Speaker 1: heart of the matter. They don't want to do what

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Speaker 1: they've been saying that they want to do. Correct uh

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Speaker 1: and doing what they want to do if you're including

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Speaker 1: replaced as part of that, which has been part of

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Speaker 1: the mantra for years, is really difficult, and it probably

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Speaker 1: involves a tax credit. Otherwise you're gonna really knock a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, often health health insurance and leave out

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Speaker 1: to dry the working poor and kind of lower middle class.

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Speaker 1: And that's ideologically painful for a lot of people. It's expensive,

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Speaker 1: more expensive than we would like. But that's what a

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Speaker 1: plausible replacement is going to look like. And I also

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Speaker 1: have asked you what you think this does with the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration. This is not a great first showing for

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Speaker 1: the leadership that the president can you know, the leadership

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Speaker 1: the president has on the car and I know this

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Speaker 1: is up of the Congress, not for the President, but

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Speaker 1: people are saying, look, it's not so. He's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be the great deal makers, a great negotiator. It's very early,

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Speaker 1: I know, and maybe this all comes together, but this

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Speaker 1: seems like a stumble out of the gate. It's definitely

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Speaker 1: a stumble out of the gate. And my fear is

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Speaker 1: that would be the first step towards poisoning the president's

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Speaker 1: relationship with Congress, and uh, Congress is a conservatizing influence

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Speaker 1: on him, and it may be Uh, this may be

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Speaker 1: the start of him going his his own way and figuring, well,

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Speaker 1: I tried to play the House Freedom Caucus. That didn't work.

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Speaker 1: I trusted Paul Ryan, that didn't work. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: my own way. And maybe I should have listened to

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Speaker 1: my counselors who said I should have tried to work

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Speaker 1: with Democrats with a trillion dollar infrastructure of bill out

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Speaker 1: of the gate instead. Now all the suspeculative, you know

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Speaker 1: that they could as we speak be coming together there

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Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill, and maybe they passed this thing tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: It was still going to face a very uncertain fate

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Speaker 1: in the Senate, but none of the signs are good

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Speaker 1: and this will be a major legislative failure right out

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Speaker 1: of the box. What was your do you do you

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Speaker 1: have one part of the bill? Is there one objection

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Speaker 1: that you have above all others to what the version

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Speaker 1: of it is? So far? The core of Obamacare is

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Speaker 1: the regulations, and this bill leaves the regulations in place,

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Speaker 1: uh the guaranteed issue and community rating, which basically means

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Speaker 1: you can get insurance at the same price as everyone else,

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Speaker 1: even if you're sick. And that's a major distortion and

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Speaker 1: healthcare market that entails all the rest of the regulations

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Speaker 1: and mandates and spending that's part of Obamacare. And what

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Speaker 1: this bill does it undoes a lot of the taxes

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Speaker 1: in the spending, but then it leaves those regulations in place.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, it repeals the individual mandate, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of necessary if you can have those regulations.

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Speaker 1: So it will actually make the individual market worse. It

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Speaker 1: will make premiums go up, it will make it harder

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Speaker 1: for people to get insurance. And that's the exact opposite

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Speaker 1: of the direction Republicans should be going in now. I

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Speaker 1: think you know we're we're far beyond the point in

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Speaker 1: this country. You know, we passed it probably eighty years ago,

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Speaker 1: where we're gonna have a libertarian paradise and healthcare it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a public private, complicated mess, but we

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Speaker 1: should be trying to move it in a market oriented direction.

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Speaker 1: And unless you're getting rid of those regulations, you're basically

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Speaker 1: not doing that. And I still don't like this idea

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna make it better in stages along the line.

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Speaker 1: That also, that didn't pass the smell test initially, and

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Speaker 1: there are questions even about whether the Senate parliamentarian and

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Speaker 1: the issues about reconciliation are really issues or if that's

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Speaker 1: an inflated issue by senator being used as an excuse

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Speaker 1: by senators who don't want to go there. But I

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Speaker 1: think we we've gotten to the core of that. One.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the Gorset's hearing. We

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Speaker 1: had Schumer making a threat today that they're gonna filibuster Gorsets. One,

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Speaker 1: do you think he's for real? And two let's assume

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Speaker 1: he's for real just for the sake of discussion. What

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Speaker 1: what should the Republicans do about it? Well? I kind

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Speaker 1: of think he's still maybe bluffing and will back down

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Speaker 1: because he's a very shrewd tactician and just makes no

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Speaker 1: sense to filibuster on this one because they follow through

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Speaker 1: on it. Republicans are united behind Gorsitch. He was unflappable

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Speaker 1: and and really completely faultless in those hearings, and they'll

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Speaker 1: exercise the nuclear option when it comes to Supreme Court picks,

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Speaker 1: and that will basically mean whoever else Trump picks, you know,

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Speaker 1: down the line, assuming he gets other picks, is gonna

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Speaker 1: have even less of a problem getting through. And if

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Speaker 1: I were a Shumer, I'd say, Okay, we're not stopping

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Speaker 1: this guy no matter what. Let him go. And then

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Speaker 1: maybe the next pick isn't isn't as good. Maybe there's

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Speaker 1: some inter Republican um divisions on the next pick. So

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Speaker 1: if we choose the filibuster the next one, maybe Republicans

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Speaker 1: won't have the near unanimous support they need within their

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Speaker 1: own party to exercise the filibuster option. So if I

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Speaker 1: were Assumer, I'd be keeping my powder dry. I'd be

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Speaker 1: shocked at the end of the day he doesn't do that,

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Speaker 1: And if he doesn't, it's a sign of just the

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Speaker 1: inflamed left has overcome his tactical common sense. Yeah, opposing

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Speaker 1: gorstch In in such a way using the filibusters, it's

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Speaker 1: too to borrow from the kids. It's it's like he's

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Speaker 1: just being a hater, you know. I mean, of course,

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Speaker 1: they haven't been able to land a single punch on

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Speaker 1: gorstch during these hearings of any real of any real substance,

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Speaker 1: So it looks like they're just being It looks like

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Speaker 1: sore loser stuff. Yeah. And and not that this is

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Speaker 1: necessarily a um an attribute you need in a judge.

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Speaker 1: But he's smoother than any of those politicians. He just

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Speaker 1: outclassed every single one of them. So he has a

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Speaker 1: wonderful temperament. He's a likable man, and he knows the

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Speaker 1: law and has an impeccable record, and he has a

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Speaker 1: lot of important liberal endorsers. So this, this is just

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Speaker 1: a home run pick. Speaks well of Trump that he made.

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Speaker 1: It speaks well of the people at the Federal Society

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Speaker 1: and in their circles who helped narrow this down, helped

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Speaker 1: them make this selection. But this is the single best

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Speaker 1: thing about the Trump's hundred days. Now you have a

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Speaker 1: piece how the GOP crack up happens? How does it happen?

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Speaker 1: Rich to see that the predicate is healthcare crashing and burning,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like we might be in that place.

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Speaker 1: And it's what I alluded to earlier. It's speculative, but

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Speaker 1: you know, there are these divisions in the White House,

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Speaker 1: and we've had reporting the last week or so that

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Speaker 1: my understanding it's it's correct, is that the rights Bannon

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Speaker 1: thing has been overplayed and they are in a tactical

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Speaker 1: alliance against the New Yorkers as they're called. And this

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Speaker 1: is Jared and Ivanka, who aren't going anywhere, and Gary Cohene,

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Speaker 1: the economic advisor, who has a huge amount of power.

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Speaker 1: And these are basically non ideological people. So it may

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Speaker 1: be if things go poorly on Capitol Hill, you know,

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Speaker 1: the rest of this year and Trump continues the slide

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Speaker 1: and the polls, that they look at each other and

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Speaker 1: they're like, well, maybe we shouldn't be with these crazy conservatives.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we should pull a mini Schwarzenegger. You know, Arnold

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Speaker 1: was elected as a populist conservative reformer, and then we

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Speaker 1: realized that wasn't working for him. He basically switched sides

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Speaker 1: from California and I don't think Trump could ever do

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Speaker 1: a full Swarzenegger because it would destroy his coalition. But

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Speaker 1: you could see a pivot, to use that overword, used

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Speaker 1: word from the campaign, um, towards the center, towards a

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Speaker 1: non ideological approach, and that that would create a very

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Speaker 1: enduring division in the party. Well, we know that Schwarzenegger

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Speaker 1: can't pull a full Trump because he tried with the Apprentice,

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Speaker 1: and my my understand my understanding is that he had

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Speaker 1: this whole thing about you know, instead of you're fired,

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Speaker 1: it was someone just told me this today. It was

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Speaker 1: get to the chopper, which is a great line from

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Speaker 1: a great movie, but has nothing to do with boardroom politics.

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be quoting predator if somebody hadn't done

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Speaker 1: a good enough job, like you know, making T shirts

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Speaker 1: or you know, running the ice cream stand for the day. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: but give me the before we let you go, Rich,

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Speaker 1: I'd appreciate you giving us time today. Uh what what

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Speaker 1: is the glass half full? Everything's gonna be cool, chill out,

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Speaker 1: it's all good. Trump's got this, the GOP, they've got this.

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Speaker 1: What does that look like? Starting today and going out

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Speaker 1: a few weeks here on the on the healthcare bill. Well,

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00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: give me the happy stuff. Yeah, see that the House. Um,

858
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: let's assume they don't get it tomorrow. The House either

859
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: reconvenes and writes a much better bill or the Senate

860
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: takes it up, and um, you know this is where

861
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: it might be stretching things a little bit. The Senate

862
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: writes a better bill, which doesn't usually happen, but one

863
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: way or the other, they fall through on their promise

864
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: to repeal in our place, and then they get some

865
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: sort of major tax tax package through, and you get

866
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: the the deregulation going both unilaterally and on the part

867
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: of the Bomb administration, sorry, the Trump administration where they can,

868
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: and then some of that on the Hill as well.

869
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,359
Speaker 1: And the economy continues to pick up. And I think

870
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: that's the major buttress underneath the Trump and a lot

871
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: of the stuff that the chaos, the controversies won't matter

872
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: if we're at three growth for the year and wages

873
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: begin to pick up, and I think that that's an

874
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: achievable goal. But if if none of this stuff happens

875
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: in terms of policy, and you have, you know, the

876
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: economy sagging back down into the Obama mediocrity, and then

877
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: all the controversies on tom of it. That's where you're

878
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: you're looking at, uh, you know, potentially that crack up

879
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: scenario I was talking about in a year. Rich Lowry's

880
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: editor of National Review, syndicated columnists and Fox News contributor.

881
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: Rich thanks so much for joining us to talk to

882
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: you soon. Thanks appreciate it. Team. Phone lines are open

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00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: eight four, four to five. We'll be right back. Got

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00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: Barbara in West Virginia on the line. W w V

885
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Speaker 1: A Hey Barbara, huh Hello, Hello, yes, hello, can you

886
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: hear me now? Yes, ma'am, we got you lout and clear.

887
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: What's up? Okay, I'm a Vietnam veteran. Thank you. I

888
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: have a problem. I have a medication. I've been telling

889
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: everybody about it on Twitter, and there's nothing anybody can do.

890
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: But I have a medication that um it's basically a

891
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: water pill. And they went from zero cope uh to

892
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: two fifty dollars the last time I called in, it

893
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: was three hundred dollars. And I don't know what to do.

894
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: I have swollen optic nerves and I had a stroke,

895
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: um and it's more like a life threatening thing. But

896
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: I've written everybody I know I'm very sorry to hear

897
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: about this trouble you're having, both the medical trouble as

898
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: well as the costs associated with it. Um. It sounds

899
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: like this this may be part of what I've noticed

900
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: in the healthcare market in recent years, which is just

901
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: the they're raising prices on drugs all over the place.

902
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: And it's not even a drug drug. It's it's not

903
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: or you know, no, I understand they're they're not, you know,

904
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: they're I was speaking to a dermatologist friend of mine recently,

905
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: and she said that even drugs that are used for uh,

906
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: pretty straightforward, but but you know, difficult skin conditions are

907
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: being dropped by insurance companies because they're just trying to

908
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: find ways to hold down costs and uh and Barbara,

909
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: thank you for calling it from West Virginia. But this

910
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: is what happens the insurance companies. Sure, they say, okay,

911
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: you know you want you want prenatal care, you want uh,

912
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: parody for mental health, you want all of these different things.

913
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: We're going to get The money is going to come

914
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: from somewhere else. This is this is what happens. And

915
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: by for example, raising the prices on certain classes or

916
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: types of drugs, Well, now only people that are trying

917
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: to get that drug are going to be upset. And

918
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: so you can raise prices here and there without having

919
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: to make some big announcement, you know, when you when

920
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: you change the schedule of how and I'm sure some

921
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: of someone listening probably even works in the is. I

922
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: don't know if you're an actuarial for the pharmacy or

923
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: but how you are for the farmers um, big farmer companies.

924
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'm sure if we if we look

925
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: at the prices of a lot of drugs, and this

926
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: is something that Trump has been talking about, people say, well,

927
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: we need to have more competition for drugs. Part of

928
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: the problem here is that we more or less. I've

929
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: reached a point where we're running out of ways to

930
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: keep these insurance companies going, at least in the individual market.

931
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: That's why they are bailing. That's why you have fewer

932
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 1: and fewer plans available. And it's also why you're seeing

933
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: shifting costs all the time. You know, you know, a

934
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: medicine hasn't gotten more expensive since last year, it's just

935
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: the insurance companies decided that they can cover less of it,

936
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: or you it's less expensive for you, so or it's

937
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: more expensive for you and less expensive for them. Whether

938
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: do we have Schumer on the filibuster threat. By the way,

939
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna, Oh, Chuck Schumer, let's play Chuck, let's

940
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: play it. After careful deliberation, I have concluded that I

941
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: cannot support Judge Neil Gore, such as nomination to the

942
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. His nomination will have a cloture vote, he

943
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: will have to earn sixty votes for confirmation. My vote

944
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: will be no. And I urged my colleagues to do

945
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: the same. Oh, he's gonna filibuster. He's gonna force it.

946
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna force the sixty. Now, I strongly I think

947
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: this is rand standing. I agree with rich before. I

948
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: don't believe that Schumer is tactically foolish enough to do this,

949
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: although in this climate, you know, who knows, maybe he

950
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: feels like this is how he becomes the standard bearer

951
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party. You know, we won't be hearing

952
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: about Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Bernie Sands. We'll be here

953
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: about them anymore. And it's good for me. Elizabeth war

954
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: My Elizabeth Warren and my Hillary Clinton are kind of

955
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: the same. Just as a as a side note, but

956
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna do this. If he does,

957
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: the Republicans should up the antie and they should go

958
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: with the nuclear option here and and get this, get

959
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: Gorsets in there, and then if they get another one,

960
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: get the most conservative originalists they possibly Ken alright, Ken

961
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: in Mississippi, w BUV. Hey Ken, Hey Mark? How are you?

962
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm good, sir, how are you? You know? I just

963
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to change the subject or anything, but no, sure,

964
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, what's okay? Well? I want to know why

965
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: can't we impeach those judges that are not fallen constitution?

966
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: We can? We can't congress can? I mean that that

967
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: is doable? There there is an of course, and when

968
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: you see this, you know a judge can accept bribes

969
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: and say, oh no, it's a lifetime appointment. I mean

970
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: there there are definitely and of course that's also a

971
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: criminal matter, but there are definitely removable procedures for judges.

972
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: A few judges I think I read even on this

973
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: show on air, some of the judges. There was one

974
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: judge who was removed for drunkenness on the bench back

975
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: in like the late eighteenth century, I think so it

976
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: could happen. Well, I'm just saying it doesn't have to

977
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: be a crime in the terms of a criminal sense,

978
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, you know, they're not at hear to

979
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: the oath of office. That should be a high crime. Oh.

980
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: I think I think that there are some judges. I

981
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: think that what Judge Watson has done in Hawaii is

982
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: grounds for it's it's certainly not criminal, and I would

983
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: never suggest that, but it certainly grounds for removal from office.

984
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no constitutional or legal grounding for his decision,

985
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: and he's possibly pushing us towards a constitutional crisis where

986
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: you have the judiciary just deciding they can overrule the

987
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: president on something that they don't have the authority to overrule,

988
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: and they don't have the authority to be honestly looking

989
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: at in the first place, if you're really gonna be clear. Um,

990
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: But the problem here becomes once you start removing judges

991
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: based upon decisions, it looks like now, not only is

992
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: the that's the next step in the judicial wars, ken

993
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: not only do we have fights over appointments of judges,

994
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: then we'll have fights over removal of judges, right, And

995
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: that's and you can see this is also part of

996
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: the discussion you have when you have recalls of governors

997
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 1: and others. Anyway, Ken, thanks for calling it from Mississippi.

998
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: UH Team much more coming. I'll be right back, Buck

999
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: Sexton with America now. The freedom hunt is fired up.

1000
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: As team Buck assembles shouldered his shoulder, shields high. Call

1001
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: in eight four four D Buck, that's eight four four

1002
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: D to eight to five. So we have additional information

1003
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: after that terrorist attack in London yesterday. The attacker is

1004
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: uh College mas Sud fifty two years old. According to

1005
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: Daily Mail here he once stabbed a man in the

1006
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: face and had been on the radar of the Domestic

1007
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: Security Service in the UK in the past. Um he

1008
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: was he was known to them, but quote not part

1009
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: of the current intelligence picture, and the probe into his

1010
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: lengths to jihadism was considered historical and he was deemed

1011
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: quote peripheral. So he killed four and injured twenty nine

1012
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: in Westminster yesterday, And as is the case with so

1013
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: many of these hottest incidents, right afterwards, you have the

1014
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: Amakh News Agency, which is the unofficial um, the unofficial

1015
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: outlet of the Islamic state, and site which is a

1016
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: site intelligence group. They do excellent work. They were the

1017
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: first ones that I know of to see this that

1018
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: the Islamic States AMAK news agency has taken responsibility for

1019
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: this attack. So ISIS is saying that he is that

1020
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: this is one of Theirs, and he is one of Theirs,

1021
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: not necessarily meaning that he was trained by them or

1022
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: that he was even in direct contact with them, but

1023
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: they have said in the past that they would like

1024
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: anyone who wants to partake in the jihad on behalf

1025
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: of the Islamic State to just do it and to

1026
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: attack in their home countries. The territory that ISIS controls

1027
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: in Iraq and Syria is getting smaller with each day.

1028
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: Iraqi forces, with the assistance of the United States, with

1029
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: US Special operations, personnel and air strikes, they are taking

1030
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: back territory in Iraq from Isis, the largest Sunni majority

1031
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: city in Iraq. Quick note that Iraq is broken down

1032
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: by into three large ethnic groups, Sunni, Shia, and well

1033
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: religious slash ethnic groups. Sunni, Shia and Kurd Occurreds are Sunnies,

1034
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: but the Kurds are ethnically distinct from Arabs. The Sunni

1035
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: and Shia Arabs in Iraq are the other two major groups.

1036
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: The largest by population is actually Shia Arabs, and they

1037
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: tend to be predominant in the southern part of the country,

1038
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: from Bosrah all in the Persian Gulf all the way

1039
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: up into Baghdad and the surrounding areas of Baghdad. And

1040
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: then as you go further north, there areas that are

1041
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: mixed and you get into places where there's a greater

1042
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: Kurdish population until you're in what is effectively kurtis Stan

1043
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: with air Bill and other areas. And then you have

1044
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: the Sunni Arab majority parts of Iraq are to the

1045
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: west of Baghdad and Anbar province where you have Ramadi

1046
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: and Fallujah, cities that are well known to Americans because

1047
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: of the intense and uh and brutal fighting there. If

1048
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: you've ever seen American sniper, you've seen depictions of what

1049
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: it was like in Fallujah and Ramadi. And then there's Mosa,

1050
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: which is the largest Sunni Arab majority city, although it's

1051
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: bisected by the Tigris River and there are there's a

1052
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: Kurdish dominance on the eastern part of the city traditionally

1053
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: and Sunni Arab dominance on the western part of the city,

1054
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: although it is a mixed city, and the Iraqi forces

1055
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: have taken back the east bank are the east of

1056
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: the Tigris River from Isis from the Istlantic state, and

1057
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: now they're trying to take the entirety of the western

1058
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,919
Speaker 1: part of the city as well, and then from there

1059
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: push on and make sure that they have closed the

1060
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: exits for Jihadis that would try to head back across

1061
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: the Syrian border, and then eventually they're gonna make their way, well,

1062
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: not the same forces, but are proxies and allies in

1063
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: the ground will hopefully encircle and in circle Rock and

1064
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: take it back from the Islamic State. As that is happening, unfortunately,

1065
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Speaker 1: there will be an acceleration of attack plotting by isis

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Speaker 1: UH fellow travelers, ISIS ideological allies, even some recruits perhaps

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Speaker 1: who have made their way back into Western Europe and

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Speaker 1: maybe even into America who were able to train with

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Speaker 1: the Islamic State and got out of there before the

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Speaker 1: current security picture turned against them. But it is an

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Speaker 1: ideological war we're in, and therefore all that one needs

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Speaker 1: is to be a believer in this ideology and then

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Speaker 1: mobilize for an attack an attack that can have horrific

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Speaker 1: mass casualty consequences. We have seen this in many places

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Speaker 1: across Europe in recent years, as well as here in America.

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Speaker 1: And we know that a Utah native in this country,

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Speaker 1: an American, was killed in the attack and his wife

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Speaker 1: was badly injured and they were celebrating, I believe, in

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Speaker 1: anniversary there. The evil of the Jihadis is something that

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Speaker 1: is difficult to overstate. I mean, the the mindset that

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Speaker 1: they have is so dark and vile and destructive, and

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Speaker 1: I think it is sometimes worth taking a step back

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Speaker 1: to say, to look into how does one decide that

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Speaker 1: killing innocent people? How could anyone come to this conclusion.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there is a celestial justification, there's a a

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Speaker 1: connection to They believe to their creator here and his

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Speaker 1: prophet and the prophet Mohammed, and they're certainly had doctrinal,

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Speaker 1: doctrinal basis Jeehottes believe for these actions. But if you

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Speaker 1: really listen to what gi Hottests say and how they

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Speaker 1: view themselves, it's a lot of it is a narrative

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Speaker 1: of victimology. A lot of it comes from a sense

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Speaker 1: that jihad is jihad is um is really a grievance ideology.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why when you hear jihad is talking

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Speaker 1: about sure, there's the we're gonna I'm gonna be a martyr,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight for Allah, I'm gonna kill all the infidels.

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Speaker 1: There are those specific this specific aspects of it that

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Speaker 1: are just part of jihades mindset. But you'll also hear

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Speaker 1: talk about you know, what would be expect you'd expect

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Speaker 1: to hear from those who are concerned with social justice,

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Speaker 1: and they'll talk about racial uh inequality in the West,

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Speaker 1: and they'll talk about our lack of morality, they'll talk

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Speaker 1: about what we you if you listen to the way

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Speaker 1: Jehod talk about US foreign policy and it's if effects

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Speaker 1: around the world, it's very similar to what you would

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Speaker 1: expect to hear from a lot of professors on American

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Speaker 1: college campuses, that we are always the problem, that we

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Speaker 1: are killing innocence men, women and children wanting lye in

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Speaker 1: primarily Muslim countries, that we do so without any second thought.

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Speaker 1: And you can see that there is this crossover into

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Speaker 1: a lot of the same narratives and themes that the

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Speaker 1: anti American American left has adopted. And so I think

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Speaker 1: that's always an interesting that's always an interesting place to

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Speaker 1: analyze this ideology other than of course the I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with the with the the virgins and the afterlife

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Speaker 1: and martyrdom and the other aspects of Jehodism that are

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Speaker 1: so well known. But it is a grievance based ideology.

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Speaker 1: On the one hand, they believe that they are these

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Speaker 1: great warriors and that they're going to have this afterlife

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Speaker 1: that will be glorious, and they're doing this wonderful thing

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Speaker 1: by killing people that are just trying to go about

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Speaker 1: their lives, killing people that are in this case celebrating

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Speaker 1: an anniversary or just going for a stroll, taking a

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Speaker 1: break from you know, launch or the office, or trying

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Speaker 1: to go visit a loved one, whatever the case may be. Gee,

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Speaker 1: hottest believe it. They are doing something that will be

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Speaker 1: rewarded in the afterlife. I mean, it's a it is

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Speaker 1: a true perversion. It is an inversion and a perversion

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Speaker 1: of the most basic and fundamental morality, and it is widespread.

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Speaker 1: Now this is where people say, what the what is

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Speaker 1: the percentage? And we've talked a little bit about this

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Speaker 1: year on the show. A percentage of the broader Muslim world.

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Speaker 1: The truth is that gee hottests are relatively small percentage,

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01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: of course, but it's a very large number of people.

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Speaker 1: When you start to look at tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: active fighters in the Islamic state alone, never mind when

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Speaker 1: you look at pupolling of attitudes about Shariah and attitudes

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Speaker 1: about death for apostasy in the role of women. You

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01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: have tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of

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01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: Muslims around the world who could, at least at some

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01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: will be considered Islamists, meaning that Islam is the political

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01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: system that should override all other systems, and it's the

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Speaker 1: only legitimate political system. And if you believe that the

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Speaker 1: only legitimate political system is one that is based in

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01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: a theology that there's no central authority for By the way,

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01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: there are many different interpretations of what the Koran says,

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Speaker 1: and and in fact, a lot of the fighting that

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Speaker 1: you see to this day, including in places like Iraq

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Speaker 1: and in the broader Middle East, and there's a civil

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Speaker 1: there's a civil war right now in Islam between moderates

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Speaker 1: and Islamists and hardliners and jihadists, but there's also civil

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Speaker 1: war going on in different places at different times between

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Speaker 1: Shia and Sunni, and that's just a schism from the

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Speaker 1: earliest days of this religious tradition. This is when they

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Speaker 1: just there were some who thought that they should follow

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Speaker 1: Shia comes from Shia, Shia Ali or Shia Ali or

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Speaker 1: the partisans of Ali, and this is just a tribal

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Speaker 1: succession feud that has now spiraled out into a major religion.

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Speaker 1: And you have about fifteen of the world or Shia,

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Speaker 1: and then the vast majority of the Muslim world, and

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Speaker 1: then a vast majority of them are Sunny. So when

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Speaker 1: we start to talk about Islam automatically, it's there are

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Speaker 1: these insecurities that will come up in the true believer,

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Speaker 1: in the hardliner, because they say that they have the

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Speaker 1: only truth and they have the only political system that

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Speaker 1: is not only is it the only political system they

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Speaker 1: believe is just, but it's the only political system that

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Speaker 1: is legitimate. And this is why Islamists and democracy dom

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01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: mix and in the West, we we often walk away

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Speaker 1: from that and we're refused to be honest about what

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Speaker 1: the implications are. But if the only legitimacy for the

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Speaker 1: state comes from an interpretation of the Quran, which is

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Speaker 1: what Islamists, not all Muslims, but Islamists believe then you're

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Speaker 1: really just waiting around until someone decides that a revolution

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Speaker 1: or a coup or some form of violence is a

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Speaker 1: necess is a necessary tool in installing Islamism. On Jihadism

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Speaker 1: is is a level beyond that, a step beyond that,

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Speaker 1: which is what al Qaeda and the Islamic State and

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01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: other similar Islamic terror radical Islamic terrorist groups around the

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Speaker 1: world have adopted as their fundamental ideology. But there's also

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Speaker 1: back to this point about grievance ideology. There is this

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Speaker 1: sense for the true believer and the the different ways

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Speaker 1: of talking about the groups even is imperfect, but there's

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Speaker 1: a sense for the true believer that Islam is the one, great,

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Speaker 1: one true faith. Of course, all other faiths that they'll say,

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Speaker 1: they'll give this lip service to other people of the

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Speaker 1: book for Jews and Christians, but for anybody outside of that.

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Speaker 1: Within the Islamic faith is considered a total infidel, and

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Speaker 1: Hindus are considered polytheists, which that's that's the worst in

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Speaker 1: Islamic and traditional uh Islamist Islam. It is being a

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Speaker 1: polytheist is even worse. But of course we see the

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01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: relationship between Islamic cardliners and Jews and Stans, and it's

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Speaker 1: it tends to be one of hostility, if not outright violence.

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Speaker 1: But they believe that they are the inheritors of the

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01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: one true not just the one true faith, but the

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Speaker 1: one great civilization that is Islamic civilization. And they look

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Speaker 1: around and there are many books written about this and

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Speaker 1: it's it's a uh. Generally speaking, it's the post Ottoman

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Speaker 1: period where this really applies because after the collapse of

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Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire World War One, there was no more

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Speaker 1: caliphate anymore. And so you have many Muslims that again

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01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: small percentage, but large number of people, many Muslims who

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01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,480
Speaker 1: believe that this one true faith tradition has been subjugated

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Speaker 1: by all these infidels. And they look at the the

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Speaker 1: powerlessness and the relative poverty and the irrelevancy on a

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Speaker 1: global scale of much of the Muslim world in in

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Speaker 1: past decades, and that creates a sense of its own rage.

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Speaker 1: So on the one hand, they believe they have the UH.

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Speaker 1: They have this sense of self righteous this this is

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Speaker 1: the one true faith, the one great faith, and we

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Speaker 1: and it's it's not just faith, it's politics too. This

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Speaker 1: is the way we must live our lives. This is

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Speaker 1: the only truth that can exist. And on the other

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Speaker 1: there's a sense of self pity, which is, look at

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Speaker 1: what's happened to us, and it's all because we've gone

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Speaker 1: away from this traditional interpretation of Islam, an interpretation that

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Speaker 1: would take us back. They believe the whole point of this.

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Speaker 1: And then this is where we get the term Salafism.

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Speaker 1: By the way, salaf is like a forefather or founding father.

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Speaker 1: They want to go back to the Russia Dun, which

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Speaker 1: is the rightly guided Calyphs, after the prophet Mohammed. The

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Speaker 1: first few in succession after that are considered to be

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Speaker 1: that that's the golden age of Islam. And before Mohammed,

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Speaker 1: of course, before Mohammed, who they believe was the vessel

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Speaker 1: for Allah to recite the Kuran, you have what was

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Speaker 1: known as the ignorance or the period of ignorance, the Johaliyah.

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Speaker 1: And they view those of us who don't adopt this.

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Speaker 1: And then again, I'm talking about a hardliners seriously enough

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Speaker 1: to tell me, oh, I've got this Muslim neighbor who's wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I do too. I have close friends and Muslims. It's

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Speaker 1: not the point we're talking about hardliners Islamist and jihattest,

1231
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Speaker 1: but they believe that everybody who doesn't adopt their stance

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Speaker 1: on Islam is effectively in a neo jihaliah, a new

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Speaker 1: state of ignorance, and that's when they can be considered

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Speaker 1: tough fear, which is kicked out of the faith, even Muslims,

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Speaker 1: which excuses the je Hottest killing fellow Muslims who don't

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Speaker 1: take their violent radical view. UM. Anyway, that's this is

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Speaker 1: a discussion that really is well one will be ongoing

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Speaker 1: here in the show, and it's also worthy of of

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01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: of book length analysis. But as we look at these

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Speaker 1: individuals who engage in these attacks against the West that

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01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: are clearly not going to bring about that are they're

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Speaker 1: trading their lives for the lives of innocent people that

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01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,879
Speaker 1: are doing have done nothing to them. Um, it's important

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Speaker 1: to understand the ideology if you want to counter it,

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Speaker 1: and also to give us a sense of the longevity, unfortunately,

1246
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Speaker 1: of this strain of radicalism that is not going away

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: anytime soon. Eight four four four four buck team hitting

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Speaker 1: a break and we will be right back. You've got

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Speaker 1: some calls coming in here Andy in Florida on the

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Speaker 1: I Heart app. What's up Andy? Hey, So, I was

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Speaker 1: listening to your comments about the about Islam, and that

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Speaker 1: was excellent information. Um, I don't I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard anybody given as in depth explanation of the religious, cultural,

1254
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Speaker 1: and political realities of the whole situation there. Thanks could

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Speaker 1: you for that? But but there was one thing, I

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Speaker 1: mean that that concerns me. And you kept mentioning that

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Speaker 1: the Islamists are a small minority of all Muslims, and

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Speaker 1: I agree, and that Jihadas are are even only a

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Speaker 1: fraction of there, a minority within the minority, shore right.

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Speaker 1: But one thing that concerns me is that a lot

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Speaker 1: of the so called moderate Muslims are people who would

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Speaker 1: you know, they would say, well, I would never do

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Speaker 1: something like that. I would never strap on a you know,

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Speaker 1: I would never strap on a suicide vest I would

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Speaker 1: never I would be horrified if my child did that

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Speaker 1: or whatever. But at the same time, they won't A

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Speaker 1: lot of them won't really strenuously object to it, so

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Speaker 1: they kind of support it by not uh by not

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Speaker 1: rejecting it, I guess passively support it. Might be another

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Speaker 1: way of saying it. You know, It's like some people

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Speaker 1: I have talked to on the abortion is should be like, oh, oh,

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Speaker 1: I would never never have an abortion. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: an abortion personally, but I would never tell anybody else

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Speaker 1: what they should do. And kind of the way I

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Speaker 1: see a lot of a lot of Muslims is like, well,

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Speaker 1: I would never do anything like that. I can live

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Speaker 1: in peace with Christians and and and and other people

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Speaker 1: around me, but they will never you know, take a

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Speaker 1: stand against other against Islamists. You know, well, I mean

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Speaker 1: you look at the you look at the support for

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Speaker 1: even in Western societies within the Muslim population, support for

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Speaker 1: suicide bombing, specifically suicide bombing as a quote resistance tactic

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Speaker 1: against israelis UH. And it's appalling how how high the

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Speaker 1: percentage is. Uh. It depends on which country, you know.

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Speaker 1: The different countries have different levels of support for Shariah

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Speaker 1: for uh, you know, amputation for theft for any number

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Speaker 1: of you go down the line and look at for

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Speaker 1: death for apostacy, meaning those who leave the Islamic faith.

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Speaker 1: But I also think it's worth pointing out that the

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Speaker 1: more you know, the countries that have a greater acceptance

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Speaker 1: among the population. For human rights abuses tend to be

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Speaker 1: the countries with a higher percentage of believing practicing Muslims,

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Speaker 1: meaning that the more Islamist and more Islamic a country

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Speaker 1: is generally speaking, there are exceptions to this, but there's

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Speaker 1: a correlation with a lot of these regressive ideological positions.

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Speaker 1: Look at Saudi Arabia, look at Somalia, They'll they'll point

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Speaker 1: to a place like they'll say, well, look at Indonesia,

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Speaker 1: which does have its problems when it comes to jihadis um,

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Speaker 1: but there are there are Buddhists in Indonesia, there are

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Speaker 1: other faith traditions in in sizable numbers that Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: running out of time here, but thanks for calling in Andy.

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Speaker 1: He's an x c I, a officer who knows how

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Speaker 1: to outsmart the enemies of liberty. What I do have

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Speaker 1: very particular set of skills. Buck Sexton with America Now

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Speaker 1: Team your mission, should you choose to accept it, call

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Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt Operations Center nine hundred, Buck Big contact

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Speaker 1: the Plessure under Hostile Surveillance D to A to five.

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Speaker 1: Got some breaking news for you all from Politico. Trump

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Speaker 1: is demanding a vote Friday on the Obamacare replacement. That's

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Speaker 1: the latest that we are seeing here. President Trump wants

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Speaker 1: a vote in the House in the House for the

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Speaker 1: Republican plan. And this is according to White House Budget

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Speaker 1: Director mcmulvaaney. If the bill fails, Trump is prepared to

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Speaker 1: move on and leave Obamacare in place. What all right,

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. We got O. Vic Roy on

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Speaker 1: the line now. He's the president of the Foundation for

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Speaker 1: Equal Opportunity Research, Forbes opinion editor and healthcare expert, and

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Speaker 1: an M. D. Right Ovick. You're an m D aren't you? Well?

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Speaker 1: I went to med school, but you know I never

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Speaker 1: got my life as my mother has never forgiven me.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Well, he went to medical school, everybody,

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Speaker 1: So there you go. All right? So Ovic, Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: just I just saw this now that Trump is demanding

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Speaker 1: a vote. Uh what what? What has changed, if anything

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Speaker 1: with this bill? I mean, we've had you on before

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. Uh. Why why are we at

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Speaker 1: this point now where Trump is demanding a vote on

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Speaker 1: it and I thought we were going to negotiate on it.

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Speaker 1: What is happening? Well, I think the big thing that

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Speaker 1: happened was this report yesterday from philk Wine or the

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Speaker 1: Washington Examiner. That followed a meeting that might believe Senator

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Speaker 1: from Utah I had with the Senate Parliamentarian, which the

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Speaker 1: Senate Parliamentarian told Mike Lee that actually a lot of

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Speaker 1: things House Conservatives wanted to do are possible through reconciliation,

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Speaker 1: because um uh, they leadership had the understanding that that

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Speaker 1: wasn't true, that there were limited things that they could

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Speaker 1: do through reconciliation terms of repealing Obamacare's regulation. So that

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Speaker 1: report that sent the world of a flutter. And uh,

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Speaker 1: now we're in a situation where, you know, the House

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Speaker 1: Republicans saying, hey, we want to build that really is

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Speaker 1: more aggressive it going after Obamacare's regulations. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame them for that, because at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, it's Obamacare is regulations that are really

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Speaker 1: the problem in the bill. That's something I've been saying

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Speaker 1: for years. I've said it on your show before. So

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Speaker 1: that's it's good to try to get at the regulations

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Speaker 1: if you can, so long as it doesn't jeopardize the

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Speaker 1: ability to build, to go through reconciliations. So there is

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Speaker 1: if there's an opportunity to do more of that great

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Speaker 1: um and let's get back to work now. The the

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Speaker 1: essential benefits, that's what I've been seeing the discussion turned

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Speaker 1: to today. Can you explain everybody what what the what

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Speaker 1: the argument is over essential benefits and and what kind

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Speaker 1: of benefits? First of all, who decides what is essential?

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Speaker 1: How is it implemented in the marketplace under Obamacare? How

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Speaker 1: do insurance companies have to comply? Who measures that? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what would give give us a bit of a deep

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Speaker 1: dive into because this is now at the heart of

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Speaker 1: the debate as I understand it, the essential benefits provisions

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Speaker 1: in Obamacare that do they just affect individual plan? Do

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Speaker 1: they affect all plans? What do we need to know?

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Speaker 1: So prior to the prior to Obamacare, there were no

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Speaker 1: federal regulations governing, uh, the market for people who buy

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Speaker 1: health insurance on their own, the so called individual market.

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Speaker 1: There were a regulations federal recors around employer based insurance,

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Speaker 1: around Medicare and Medicaid because there are obviously federal programs

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Speaker 1: um but there were no regulations the federal level in

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Speaker 1: terms of the plans that people bought on their own

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Speaker 1: if they didn't get it from their employer of the government.

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Speaker 1: That was all done at the state level. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, every state in America has uh what you

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Speaker 1: could call state based essential health undim its benefit mandates

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Speaker 1: in terms of what plans could were required to cover. So,

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Speaker 1: for example, when I lived in New York, um, New

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Speaker 1: York State had a law that every health insurance plan

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Speaker 1: sold in New York State, whether it was individual or

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Speaker 1: employer based or anything else, had to cover acupuncture services.

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Speaker 1: Because the acupuncture lobby really campaign for that, and probably

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Speaker 1: some got some campaign donations for the state legislature, and

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Speaker 1: the state legislature passed this law saying every plan in

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Speaker 1: New York has to have acupuncture and that and those

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Speaker 1: benefit mandates, every individual mandate, it depends on. It depends

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Speaker 1: on the mandate itself and what it's asking to cover.

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Speaker 1: But probably Speing lays at up and add you know,

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Speaker 1: a percent, a percent here, a percent there, your premium cost.

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Speaker 1: You know, before you know it, your premiums are tenent

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Speaker 1: higher than they were before. So it can it can

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Speaker 1: make a different. And what Obamacare did was Obamacare created

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Speaker 1: this federal level of essential health benefits. So every plan

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Speaker 1: sold now that you buy on your own hasn't it

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Speaker 1: has to meet these federal requirements of making sure it

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Speaker 1: covers hospital hospital care, doctors visits, you know, knee surgeries.

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Speaker 1: So that's that part is not controversial. We expect health

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Speaker 1: insurance to cover those things. The things that are controversial

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Speaker 1: that we're really additive in Obamacare is maternity coverage, covering

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Speaker 1: you know, the the labor and delivery if you can

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Speaker 1: you have a baby, addiction services of substance abuse and

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Speaker 1: mental health, which is not normally in conventional health insurance

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Speaker 1: plans um and a few other things like that. So

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Speaker 1: substance abuse, mental health, and pregnancy were the three things

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Speaker 1: that were really different about Obamacare's regulations versus the state

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Speaker 1: based regulations. That's the economic point that if you if

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Speaker 1: you repeal uh federal e hps under Obamacare, you get

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Speaker 1: rid of those specific requirements net net about things like

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Speaker 1: maternity coverage, and that could drive costs down. However, it's

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Speaker 1: important note that it's not like if you repeal Obamacare's

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Speaker 1: benefit requirements that you go to zero, because every state

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Speaker 1: has its own launder list of benefits unfortunately that plans

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Speaker 1: are required to cover. So why is this such a fight.

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Speaker 1: Is it really just that there are some who believe

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Speaker 1: that they really can't do this through reconciliation. And by

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Speaker 1: the way that that seems to me to that excuse,

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Speaker 1: which which sounded uh some we're making it sound like

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Speaker 1: it was ironclad in the early days of the American

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Speaker 1: Healthcare Act has gotten flimsier by the day. Well, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, in in uh leadership's defense, if you want

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Speaker 1: to call it, that the leaked draft of the bill

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Speaker 1: that was that was dated February tent did include a

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Speaker 1: repeal of federal essential health Benefit mandates, but that that

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Speaker 1: repeal was taken out because people in the House, Paul

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Speaker 1: Ryan and others, were told by Senate people that the

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Speaker 1: or perhaps told by the parliamentarian that e hp s

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Speaker 1: were were likely to be challenged by Democrats as not

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Speaker 1: being uh not being able to go through the reconciliation process.

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Speaker 1: I actually can tell you I have Democratic sources that

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Speaker 1: say that, in fact, Democrats are very much intending to

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Speaker 1: fight on that premise. They're gonna fight whether and to

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Speaker 1: see whether these regulatory rollbacks can be repealed through reconciliation,

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Speaker 1: so that that fight's gonna happen. But but you know,

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Speaker 1: I think what health conservative saying is, hey, let's at

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Speaker 1: least try and if it fails, it fails, you know,

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Speaker 1: but at least let's try to repeal more of the regulations.

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Speaker 1: And I think I will say that I do think

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Speaker 1: that there's there's a degree to which people are overrating

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Speaker 1: how much essential health benefits are at the heart of

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Speaker 1: why premiums have gone off under Obamacare. It's part of

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Speaker 1: the problem, for sure, but it's not the biggest driver

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Speaker 1: of the problem. It's more like the third biggest driver.

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Speaker 1: The two bigger drivers are the age bands that make

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Speaker 1: younger people pay a lot more for health insurance, and

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Speaker 1: m actual value requirements, which make the financial payouts of

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Speaker 1: health insurance a lot more generous and therefore driving up

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Speaker 1: the costs. Those are the two the bron the Bronze

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Speaker 1: Silver Gold plan thing that's Actuary vow you. So those

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Speaker 1: are the two things that make obama Clear plans really

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Speaker 1: really expensive. HBS is about third on the list. And

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Speaker 1: so what's good about the bill is those other two

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Speaker 1: things I mentioned, the age band and the actual real

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Speaker 1: value requirements. Those things are in the bill. They're already

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Speaker 1: repealing those. And I think what House and servers saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's try to let's try to push that ball down

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Speaker 1: the field further. Let's repeal all, ideally of Obamacare's federal regulations.

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Speaker 1: If not, let's try to repeal more of them. And

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Speaker 1: e h p s are kind of the next step forward.

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Speaker 1: What does Senator Mike Lee, for example, want the healthcare

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Speaker 1: bill to look like? Do we have a sense or

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Speaker 1: do we have has he told us? If they're people

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Speaker 1: talking about the Freedom Caucus in the House, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the most free market healthcare advocates in the Congress wanting

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Speaker 1: in the Congress right now want this bill to look

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Speaker 1: like what I mean, if they had their way, if

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Speaker 1: they got to draft this, if the thirty some odd

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Speaker 1: members of Congress who say, right now there are no vote,

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Speaker 1: we're told we'll just go off and do your thing

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Speaker 1: and we'll pass whatever you want, what would it look like? Well, well,

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Speaker 1: let just slightly challenged the premise of the question. I'm

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Speaker 1: not convinced that the House Freedom Caucus has many members

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Speaker 1: I respect greatly, but they're not necessarily the most free

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Speaker 1: market people in Congress when it comes to healthcare. A

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Speaker 1: lot of the Freedom Caucus people have been behind nuking

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Speaker 1: a reform of the tax break for employer based coverage

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Speaker 1: which is at the heart of all the market distortion

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Speaker 1: that the federal government has introduced into healthcare. So that

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Speaker 1: to me has been a real disappointment as every single

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Speaker 1: draft of this bill, the reform of the employer market

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Speaker 1: for health insurance has gotten worse. And that's largely at

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Speaker 1: the behest in my understanding, because of the Freedom Caucus

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Speaker 1: so on that very very important aspect of market based reform.

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Speaker 1: They're on the wrong side, or many of their members

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Speaker 1: are on the wrong side of that debate, and I'd

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Speaker 1: love to talk to them more about that. Who is

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Speaker 1: who's a hardcore who's a hardcore free market healthcare guy?

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Speaker 1: Or who are the individuals that are in that category. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot, there are a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who are right on some issues that say, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's Is there anyone who's absolutely perfect. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say there is, but you know, I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: people like Paul Ryan have been great advocates for free

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Speaker 1: market healthcare. They you know, this bill hasn't been so great,

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Speaker 1: but but you know, over the over the history of healthcare,

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Speaker 1: he's been he's been very strong. I think on this bill.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of limitations you know, there's people in

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Speaker 1: the Senate like well, it used to be Tom Coburn.

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Speaker 1: Now I think Arren Hatch has been a guy who's

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Speaker 1: put forth a lot of good ideas. And the Senate side,

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Speaker 1: I think some of these younger senators, Bill Cassidy for example,

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Speaker 1: of a guy who's doing a really great job. I

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a role in what goes forward

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. Marco Rubio is put forward in his

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Speaker 1: presidential campaign some free market perform ideas. So there's lots

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Speaker 1: of people out there who had, you know, good ideas

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Speaker 1: and you know, or any of them perfect if you

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01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: know from if you're rating them on the purity of

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01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: their free market tierness. Um, you know, some are better

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Speaker 1: than others. But nothing is perfect. As healthcare. There's so

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Speaker 1: much government and healthcare that you have to pick your

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Speaker 1: battles in terms of what you're trying to on wine.

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Speaker 1: But what's the what's the fundamental architecture of the most

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01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: the most free market and yet still realistic basis for

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Speaker 1: a bill that the GOP could pass. Okay, so there

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Speaker 1: now we're getting somewhere. So on that basis, um, you'd

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Speaker 1: have to actually take the h c A and really

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Speaker 1: make some significant changes to it, because the problem with

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Speaker 1: the h c A is it's been watered down even

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Speaker 1: more by the repeal or the rollback of employer tax reform.

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01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,600
Speaker 1: That's an employer health internce tax form that's got to

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Speaker 1: be fixed in the bill, um, so that that you

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01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: want to put back in. That's something, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that the leadership actually wanted to put back in having

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Speaker 1: the bill, and it was the Freedom Caucus, as I said,

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01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 1: I got rid of it. So that's an important thing

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Speaker 1: to change. So let's score one for the leadership there

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Speaker 1: on the issue of Obamacare's regulation. It's the leadership that's

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01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: been too cautious and the House Freedom Caucus has been

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01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: actually more aggressive and said, hey, let's get others get

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Speaker 1: get rid of these regulations. So score one for the

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01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 1: House Freedom Caucus there and say that's you know, so

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01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: now they're tied. Right. House Freedom Caucus is right on

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01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: that one. Leadership was right on the other one m

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Speaker 1: on the Medicaid reform. The House Freedom Caucus has actually

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01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 1: done some good work there. Leadership has to, so that

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Speaker 1: one maybe just give each of them a half point,

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01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: so you know it really it really depends on which

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Speaker 1: part of the bill that you're talking about in terms

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Speaker 1: of what you're critiquing or whatnot they I think and

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Speaker 1: that's that's what makes me optimistic. By the way, bottom

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Speaker 1: line is, I think we're gonna we can get to

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Speaker 1: a an end point with this bill where a lot

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Speaker 1: of the stated concerns of the House Freedom Caucus and

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01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 1: a lot of stated concerns of more pragmatic conservatives can

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Speaker 1: be met. We can have a bill that delivers the

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Speaker 1: right amount of assistance to lower into people who are

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Speaker 1: struggling to afford their healthcare bills, while also making sure

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Speaker 1: we roll back regulations and things that drive up premiums

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01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: and all the things that we the things about Obamacare

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01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: that really did work, that represented a step change in

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Speaker 1: the federal role in healthcare. What is the whole? What

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Speaker 1: is the holy grail of healthcare reform? Right now? I mean,

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Speaker 1: if if there's just one thing that you could get

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01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: all the different members of the House in a play

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01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: and you got to tell them, guys, this is the

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Speaker 1: thing without which you got nothing, what would it be.

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01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, because you know, the

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Speaker 1: way I look at it, fuck is that there's it's

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01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,840
Speaker 1: all about progress. You've got to move the ball down

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01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: the field, and the question for me is are you

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01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: net net moving the ball down the field? On Medicaid,

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01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: this bill is transformative. I think it's really moving the

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01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: ball down the field. The Medicaid provision of this bill

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01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: are like welfare reform times ten in terms of how

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Speaker 1: significant they are for our long term debt and depths

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Speaker 1: of problems. And the Medicaid part of this bill is

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Speaker 1: very strong. The Obamacare part of bill is not so great.

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01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 1: They could do more, they could make it better. Let's

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Speaker 1: root for them to do better. Um. There's on Medicare,

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Speaker 1: which is another big part of government healthcare in America.

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Speaker 1: That's why Bernie Sanders called its health reform his single

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Speaker 1: payer plan Medicare for all, because Medicare is single pair.

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Speaker 1: The bland is nothing right because Trump has said he's

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Speaker 1: against Medicare reform. So on the you know, that's one

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Speaker 1: area where this bill isn't so great. And the other

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Speaker 1: area would be employer based cover right, equalizing the tax

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01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: treatment of employer purchased health insurance and individually purchased health insurance.

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Speaker 1: This bill does not achieve that goal, and it did

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Speaker 1: a better job of it two months ago than it

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Speaker 1: does today. People that have employer based coverage. By the way,

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Speaker 1: O Vic, we hear about the Obamacare debates so much,

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Speaker 1: and I do think it often gets lost that this

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Speaker 1: is primarily about the individual market. Why should people with

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Speaker 1: employer based coverage, which is still a vast majority of Americans,

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Speaker 1: why should they care about what's going on with the

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Speaker 1: individual market other than the fear of losing your job

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01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: and having to buy an Obamacare plan, which is a

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Speaker 1: reality for I think almost all of us. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's about half of Americans that have employer based covers,

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Speaker 1: so they're about three million Americans, about a hundred fifty

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Speaker 1: of them have a hundred fifty million have employer based coverage,

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01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: um and that and that group is important, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: So how does this still affect them? Because, as you said,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the important things. It's like what if

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Speaker 1: First of all, what what are what are we doing

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Speaker 1: to make health insurance affordable for you? If you do

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Speaker 1: lose your job, you're between jobs? That's number one. Number

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01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: two is employer based insurances very expensive. We don't notice

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01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 1: it because it's taken out of our paychecks before we

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01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 1: receive it. You know, often all do speaking engagements buck

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01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 1: where I'm in a room full of people who have

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Speaker 1: jobs and you know, normal and normal everyday people, and

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Speaker 1: I asked them, do you know how much is taken

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Speaker 1: out of your paycheck every month to pay for your

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01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: health insurance? And usually in in a crowd of a hundred,

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01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: maybe three hands go up. And those three hands go

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01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: up because those people run their own businesses, so they

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01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 1: know how much are paying for health insurance because they

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01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: own their own businesses. But the mat bast majority of

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01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 1: people who have everyday job, they don't have any idea.

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01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: All they know is that their wages haven't gone up

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01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: in fifteen years. And the reason their wages haven't gone

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01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: up in fifteen years is not because their compensation hasn't

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01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: gone up in fifteen years. It's that an increasing amount

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01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: of their compensation is eaten up by what's taken out

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01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: of their paycheck and health insurance premiums every year. How

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01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: many people are in the individual market of it, about

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01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: right million are getting it for the mayor plu or.

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01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 1: That's that's a lot more. I mean, oh is you're

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01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: you're including people to get it through the government, and

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01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: everything else is because it would seem to be a

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01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: majority of people do get it from their employer. Yeah,

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01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying about half, right, So a three hundred million

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01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: people in America, about hundred and fifty million get their

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01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: insurance from their employer, about million buy it on their own,

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01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: and then the rest get it from the government. All right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was discluding the government. Okay, I meant I'm in

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01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: the private insurance market. Okay. Ovic, I can talk about

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01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 1: this stuff all night, but unfortunately we're literally about to

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01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 1: run into a hard break here, so I gotta leave

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01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 1: it there. Oh. Vic Roy is the president of the

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01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,800
Speaker 1: Foundation for Equal Opportunity Research. He's for his opinion editor

1629
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: and he knows a lot about this stuff, So follow

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01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: him on Twitter and read his stuff. Oh, Vic, thank

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01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 1: you for joining us. Appreciate it. Thanks Buddy John in

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01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: Alabama w nt M. What's up, my friend? How doing?

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01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: Thank you? Um? I just first of all, Obamacare was

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01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 1: not designed to help people get better health care and

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01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: better insurance coverage. Obamacare was designed to put private insurance

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01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,560
Speaker 1: companies out of business, to force everybody to turn to

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01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:15,040
Speaker 1: the government and say, please take care of us because

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01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 1: of this health insurance problem that the government Uh. Cost,

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01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: that's what it was supposed to. You think it was

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01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: supposed to put us on a pathway to single payer

1641
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 1: at the end. People have been saying this for a while,

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01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:32,240
Speaker 1: no question about it. Uh. The thing about this situation,

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01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 1: Uh well, sir, hello talking you were talking about you

1644
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: were talking you can I don't know if you can

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01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: hear me now, yeah, we can hear you. You were

1646
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 1: talking about you were talking about free will earlier and

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01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm as I'm considered performed theologically, but anyway, that's a

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01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 1: whole difference Canada. Worms Um, there's a lot of things

1649
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: that that years to come, we are gonna be grateful

1650
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 1: to God that Donald Trump beat Hillary Clinton, and the

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01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 1: health care system is one of those things, because she

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01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 1: was gonna take us to single payer, to the point of,

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01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 1: if you don't vote Democrat, you don't get healthcare, health insurance,

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01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,640
Speaker 1: or health care at all. Um. I firmly believe that

1655
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 1: in Obama was a statist and Hillary is a statist.

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01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: And you know, I just I don't trust Paul Ryan.

1657
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:32,719
Speaker 1: I voted for Mr. Trump because I think I believe

1658
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: that it's gonna take somebody a maverick, not like John McCain. Maverick,

1659
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: but a real maverick that will take on the people

1660
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: in Washington and try to bust up um what the cartel,

1661
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, that is in Washington.

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01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:55,640
Speaker 1: That's the Republican establishment, the Democratic establishment, and the bureaucrats.

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01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: And I think that's we're seeing that. I think, you know,

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01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 1: had anybody in the Republican side one where Mr Trump did,

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01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 1: the attacks would have been the same, Um, because they

1666
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: were you know, they're all hell bent for socialism and

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01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 1: you know, they screwed up and forgot about the people

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01:35:12,640 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: in the middle of the country. But I just I

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01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 1: don't trust Paul Ryan. Um. I don't know where we

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01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: go from here. I don't know what's gonna happen, But

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01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 1: I just I don't trust Paul Ryan. Well, I don't

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01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 1: think you're the only one. I mean, you've got the

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01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 1: people that are not willing to go forward on this

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01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: and not willing to vote in favor of the bill

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01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 1: that Paul Ryan saying is is a great idea. So John,

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01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate you a calling in Shields High and thank

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01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: you very much for your thoughts. Um. We are going

1678
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 1: to talk about trade and then if we have time,

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01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about intelligence as in intelligence collection and

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01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: Russia and Trump. Oh my, we've got a lot more coming.

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01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: Stay with me, Buck sexten with America. Now the Freedom

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01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Hunt is fired up as Team Buck assembles shoulder to

1683
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: shoulder shields high call in eight four four d bug.

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01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: That's eight four four nine hundred to eight to five.

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01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: Trump preparing orders to review trade deals. That is the

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01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: headline on Reuter's Here's lead. The Trump administration is preparing

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01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 1: new executive orders to re examine all fourteen US free

1688
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 1: trade agreements and review government procurement policies to eight American companies.

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01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 1: According to administration officials, the North American Free Trade Agreement

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Speaker 1: NAFTA with Mexico and Canada will top the list of

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01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 1: trade deals to be reviewed, which affect twenty countries from

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Speaker 1: the Americas to Asia. These officials spoke on condition okay,

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01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: on anonymic We don't even know that. Fine, that's what's

1694
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: going on. What is the real deal here? We're joined

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01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: by Derek Scissors. He's a resident scholar at the American

1696
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: Enterprise Institute, where he's an Asian economist and trade expert. Derek,

1697
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the show. Glad to be here.

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01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: So Trump sounds like he's taken action. Now, We've been

1699
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 1: hearing the rhetoric for a while about trade deals, and

1700
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 1: he's been saying bad deals, terrible negotiators. Other leaders are smarter.

1701
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: We're all familiar with the rhetoric. What's true about NAFTA,

1702
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,880
Speaker 1: what's good about it? And what's not good about it?

1703
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 1: For Americans? Where can Trump possibly make this better? And

1704
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: where is this bluster? So I'm gonna start by saying

1705
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: the campaign stuff was bluster, but he can make it better,

1706
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: which sounds like a contradiction, but I don't think it is.

1707
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: So why do I say the campaign rhetoric was bluster?

1708
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 1: If you look back, NAFTA goes into effect January first night,

1709
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 1: and on a campaign trail the President was saying how

1710
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 1: it costs millions of American jobs. But if you look

1711
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 1: at the numbers, US labor force participation rises, US manufacturing

1712
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 1: employment rises, US manufacturing wages rise, they rise all the

1713
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:57,560
Speaker 1: way through the end of that decade, they rise for

1714
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: five years after naft it goes into effect. So I'm

1715
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: not saying the after did that. I'm saying, when you

1716
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 1: say na have to hurt the US economy. You can't

1717
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 1: really find any evidence. So that's the bluster part. Now,

1718
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 1: can you make NAFTA better? Yes you can. I you know,

1719
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 1: I kind of gave away the punchline after assigned in

1720
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 1: January one went into effect, rather it was negotiated. It's

1721
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:19,640
Speaker 1: twenty five years old. We can do better. We can

1722
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 1: upgrade it. We can upgrade it for things the US

1723
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 1: is good at, like digital trade. We are really good

1724
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 1: at trade online, and other countries should respect our our

1725
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 1: ability to export in that way. So um, saying that's

1726
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,240
Speaker 1: terrible and kill the US economy is false. Saying you

1727
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: can renegotiate an APT and make it a better deal

1728
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 1: is true, and that's what we hope the president. What

1729
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: what are some areas of if one was forced to

1730
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,200
Speaker 1: find areas of criticism for that after, I would I

1731
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 1: would assume it's fair to say, not just for a

1732
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 1: trade deal, but any policy, there are usually going to

1733
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 1: be some benefits and some drawbacks. What are are there

1734
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:55,759
Speaker 1: any drawbacks or really real drawbacks for the American worker

1735
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 1: that came from this trade deal? We is it didn't

1736
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 1: accelerate outsourcing and offshoring or is that again just the

1737
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:06,920
Speaker 1: perception but not the reality, no trade deal is going

1738
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: to be good for everybody in America. That's just impossible. Um.

1739
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 1: And so anybody is selling you on that like everybody's

1740
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: going to benefit from this. You know, we have three

1741
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 1: million people here, they're all totally different circumstances. Trade is

1742
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: not going to be good for for all of them.

1743
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: The problem is, if you fix the trade deal so

1744
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't hurt someone, you're gonna lose something. You can't

1745
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,720
Speaker 1: just magically wave a wand and say, hey, you know,

1746
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:30,919
Speaker 1: this is one area where we don't want your exports

1747
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 1: coming in because they'll put Americans out of work. That's

1748
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 1: a real concern. But then the Mexicans are going to

1749
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: say the same thing. Um. I don't really see NAFTA

1750
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:41,560
Speaker 1: in ninety four as having any flaws that we that

1751
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,840
Speaker 1: that we needed to fix. I think now there are

1752
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: a lot more that the potential for American export to

1753
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: Mexico is a lot higher. Um. And I think you

1754
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: know that's what we should be looking at. We shouldn't

1755
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 1: be looking at closing up America. We should be looking

1756
01:39:55,960 --> 01:40:00,519
Speaker 1: at opening up Mexico. UM. You know, hopefully they'll cooperate. Well,

1757
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:02,479
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the benefits of it, Derek.

1758
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 1: But also I feel like you alluded to, there are

1759
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 1: some people. I mean, this is for example, in the

1760
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:08,599
Speaker 1: case of immigration, people like that. There are people who

1761
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,439
Speaker 1: say immigration is bad. People say immigration is or sorry

1762
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,600
Speaker 1: illegal immigration, people say illegal immigration is bad, illegal immigration

1763
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,400
Speaker 1: is good. Uh. The most thorough research that I've read

1764
01:40:17,400 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 1: on that says well, depends on who you are, where

1765
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 1: you're talking about, and what you know. You have to

1766
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: specify beyond just illegal immigration. You know, for some people,

1767
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: for some business owners, illegal immigration is a good thing

1768
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 1: in a certain area a certain time, and those workers

1769
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 1: that are displaced by that it's bad. Give me who

1770
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,640
Speaker 1: who lost out, just so we can identify it and

1771
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 1: have a realistic sense of it. Who lost out from NAFTA?

1772
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 1: And then I want to ask you the American people

1773
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 1: benefit from NATA how But first tell me who can

1774
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: be considered to have lost out in some way from

1775
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:48,000
Speaker 1: the napt Because clearly there's a there's been a tapping

1776
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:52,280
Speaker 1: into a concern over NAFTA, uh anger over NAPTA. It

1777
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 1: can't all just be because it sounds good to say

1778
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 1: that we have a bad trade deal and that's why

1779
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,760
Speaker 1: American workers are out of work. There has to be something.

1780
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: I would assume there's something than that. I know you're

1781
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 1: I know you're pushing me on this, and I appreciate it.

1782
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna dodge for one more second and

1783
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: then answer the question. The dodges a lot of the

1784
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 1: criticism of NATHS just because we have a trade deficit

1785
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: with Mexico, and as somebody who believes in free trade

1786
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: like me, I don't think a trade deficit means that

1787
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 1: you lose I think the President is wrong when he

1788
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: says that. So a lot of times you'll get people saying,

1789
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 1: this is why it was bad for us to sign NATIC,

1790
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 1: because we have a trade deficit, and that means we

1791
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: lost jobs. And I just disagree with that. Now, having

1792
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 1: said that, if you want to talk about, yeah, all

1793
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:31,400
Speaker 1: trade agreements have some people who don't benefit as much

1794
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: as everyone else, because everyone benefits from cheaper goods. With

1795
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: some people, they might lose their jobs or their pay

1796
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 1: might go down. Auto parts is an example of where

1797
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 1: you see like there's a really mixed outcome. Auto parts

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01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 1: go back and cross the across the US Mexican border

1799
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 1: over and over again, and before we made them all here,

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01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 1: so when the President is pressuring auto firms not to

1801
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 1: move to Mexico, he's not necessarily pressuring them because they're

1802
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 1: gonna make cars in Mexico. He's pressuring them about parts.

1803
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: And if you were an American auto parts worker, I think,

1804
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, you may get cheaper Mexican food. You know

1805
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 1: that that's a good thing. But I think your your

1806
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 1: wages probably dropped, or you had to find another job,

1807
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 1: or maybe you couldn't find another job. So I think

1808
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 1: if I if I picked one up, I would say

1809
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: auto parts, trucking. There are some sectors where people did

1810
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 1: not gain nearly as much and they could have actually

1811
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:21,519
Speaker 1: lost because they lost jobs. They didn't lose jobs right

1812
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 1: after napt because we had a we had a very

1813
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 1: good employment um, very good job marks in this country.

1814
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:29,400
Speaker 1: But maybe in the two thousands after recession, they didn't

1815
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 1: get the jobs back that they had it, they didn't

1816
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 1: get the wages back. The head I would locate them

1817
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: in auto parts production and trucking services. Those are two

1818
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: things that come to mind now. Net net good things

1819
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 1: that came from NAPHTA Trump's trash and after a lot

1820
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 1: these days saying it's the worst deal ever, you clearly

1821
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,800
Speaker 1: think that that's wrong. You've made the case what are

1822
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: the good things in NAFTA? Well, I mean, you know,

1823
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:51,599
Speaker 1: in both of these cases, I sound like I'm I'm

1824
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: dodging your question. I'm asking you for good and bad.

1825
01:42:55,200 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 1: You keep giving me neutral, go ahead. That's right. And

1826
01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: the reason I'm giving you neutral is because we exaggerate

1827
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 1: the importance of trade to the U. S economy a lot. Well,

1828
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 1: it matters in our economy, you know. And I work

1829
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:06,639
Speaker 1: on trade, and I have to say this all the time,

1830
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 1: like what I do is nearly as important as tax reform.

1831
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 1: You know, That's just the way it is. If we

1832
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,640
Speaker 1: get our tax system right, trade doesn't matter nearly as

1833
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:18,599
Speaker 1: much as that. UM. So you know, even the both

1834
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:21,679
Speaker 1: the positive and the negative sides of this are both

1835
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 1: can be exaggerated by people. I don't want to say,

1836
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 1: like NAFTA cause that US employment increase. I would say

1837
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 1: we had an employment increase in NAFTA was part of that. Um,

1838
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 1: we got cheaper oil from Mexico. We got cheaper food

1839
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 1: prices from Mexico. Let's talk about food prices. Um, we

1840
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 1: get food all year round at a lower price of

1841
01:43:40,520 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 1: vegetables and fruit mostly, but but also a little bit

1842
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 1: of beef and and something that's very near and dear

1843
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: to my heart, which is chocolate. Uh, I can't really,

1844
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 1: I can't really say chocolate is crucial for poor families. Uh,

1845
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 1: it seems like it's crucial for me, but that's my

1846
01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: own problem. But vegetables and fruit and meat being cheaper

1847
01:43:57,479 --> 01:43:59,759
Speaker 1: and being available year round, that can make a difference

1848
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 1: for people who don't have a lot of money. And

1849
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: so that's where I would put I would put the

1850
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 1: biggest gain in in ath. It's not something fancy like

1851
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: we created millions of American jobs that happened because we

1852
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 1: had good economic policies and when we lose them because

1853
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:16,600
Speaker 1: we have bad economic policies. But having Mexican agriculture come in,

1854
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 1: even though you know it's competitive competition for American farmers,

1855
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 1: can really help poor people because food is such a

1856
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: big part of their budget. That's where I would go

1857
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: for the biggest benefit. Now, Reuters saying that Trump is

1858
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: looking at all what is it all fourteen US free

1859
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:34,959
Speaker 1: trade agreements? Where are the places where you would advise

1860
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 1: that there's I mean, you've also said you're basically telling

1861
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 1: us to you know, manage your expectations. Everybody. Trade deals,

1862
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:42,960
Speaker 1: aren't you know, not everyone's gonna be rolling around in

1863
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: a maserati and a McMansion because of a new trade deal.

1864
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 1: We get that. Okay, fine, fair enough, But where are

1865
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 1: some of the places where the administration could do things

1866
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: that have a an impact that is felt by a

1867
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,759
Speaker 1: large segment at least of America Looking at these fourteen

1868
01:44:57,840 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: free trade deals. Well, here's the thing. The biggest deals

1869
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:05,599
Speaker 1: that affected Americans the most, uh and negatively is when

1870
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,720
Speaker 1: China answer the w t O. And that's not a

1871
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 1: free trade agreement. So that's not going to be reviewed

1872
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: as far as I understand under the President's executive order. Uh.

1873
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:14,840
Speaker 1: Not that they aren't looking at it, not that the

1874
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,040
Speaker 1: administration doesn't care. I'm not accusing them of ignoring it

1875
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 1: at all. I'm just saying it's not it's not part

1876
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: of this executive order. UM to me. The way you

1877
01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 1: make uh way you turn this executive order into something

1878
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:28,240
Speaker 1: positive is you say, look, we can't go back in time.

1879
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 1: We can't go back in time fifteen years, We can't

1880
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: go back in time twenty years. Whatever happened back then,

1881
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,439
Speaker 1: good or bad, scissors is right scissors is wrong. We

1882
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,559
Speaker 1: can't fix that. What we can do is look at

1883
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,320
Speaker 1: the trade agreements we have and say, this is how

1884
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 1: we can improve them, and this is what we're gonna

1885
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 1: do going forward. This is gonna be our new trade

1886
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: model going forward. That's what I really want from this administration,

1887
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 1: and that could have really profound effects depending on who

1888
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: we sign a trade deal with. If we get the

1889
01:45:52,280 --> 01:45:54,760
Speaker 1: right model and we start signing trade agreements based on

1890
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 1: the right model with Europe, with Britain, with Japan, then

1891
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 1: you will get not everybody driving a Maserati, but nonetheless

1892
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 1: you really will see huge benefits to the United States.

1893
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:05,800
Speaker 1: So what are some of the what are some of

1894
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:09,680
Speaker 1: the essential goals that would have to exist in that

1895
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 1: new model? Well, I think that I would start with

1896
01:46:13,560 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 1: again as a free trader, and I hope this is

1897
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 1: whether the Trump people start with. Imports are not bad

1898
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 1: for the United States. Every normal Americans, every day choose

1899
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,560
Speaker 1: to buy imports because that's what's good for them. So

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Speaker 1: the idea that imports are bad needs to be taken

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Speaker 1: off the table. What's bad is when other countries restrict

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Speaker 1: our exports, when they promote subsidies in our own country.

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Speaker 1: That that block American exports because the production they are subsidized,

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Speaker 1: so American goods are not competitive, even though they would

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Speaker 1: be if it was it was an open market. It's

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Speaker 1: also bad is when other countries violate our our i P.

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Speaker 1: The best thing the United States does is innovating. We

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Speaker 1: don't just innovate in advanced technology. We innovated everything. We

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Speaker 1: innovate from people in their garages. We innovate in in

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Speaker 1: ways to tweak your websites to make them more useful.

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Speaker 1: So people stealing our i P needs to stop people

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Speaker 1: subsidizing their production so that we don't get to export

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Speaker 1: as much of them. We're not gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: stop that, but we need to lower it. Those kinds

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Speaker 1: of goals saying trade is good, we want more trade,

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Speaker 1: and we want people to stop undermining America's advantages and trade.

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Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing that's going to make trade

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Speaker 1: a lot better for the US. So specifically, the Trump

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Speaker 1: administration could make some real headway with China on trade. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we can adopt the right policies to make

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Speaker 1: headway with China, and China is Canada's our biggest trade partner,

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Speaker 1: but China's our biggest trade problem, meaning we have more

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Speaker 1: problems in our trade relationship with China than we do

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Speaker 1: with Canada, even if we trade about the same with

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Speaker 1: the two of them. So we can adopt the right policies,

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Speaker 1: we can say, look, we're gonna we're gonna welcome Chinese

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Speaker 1: firms and their imports, but if you've if you've taken

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Speaker 1: stolen American i P, then you're not You know, other

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Speaker 1: Chinese firms can export to the United States, but not

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Speaker 1: you because you're you're a thief. We're gonna say, look,

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Speaker 1: you have heavy subsidies that are blocking American goods here.

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Speaker 1: Um you know, you can either lower those subsidies give

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Speaker 1: us more market access, or we're going to retaliate, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna retaliate the way we want. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to retaliate dollar for dollar in what ever field your subsidizing.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna retaliate where we want to retaliate. And if

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Speaker 1: you set up a trade agreement like that that says, hey,

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Speaker 1: countries that don't subsidize it, don't steal i P, welcome

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Speaker 1: to America, but countries that do. These are the these

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Speaker 1: are the ways we're going to retaliate. That's the right

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Speaker 1: model that would really improve our relationship with China. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the Chinese have to go along, and if they don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna we're gonna trade lace less with them.

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Speaker 1: And that's probably the right outcome if they don't go along.

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Speaker 1: And border adjustment tax gotten talked about a lot in

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks. What are your thoughts on that? Well,

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Speaker 1: I like the border adjustment tax, and I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who don't like it, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: a pretty clear cut thing. If you if you're an importer,

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Speaker 1: um and I like imports and not against importers, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna make your imports more expensive. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: why I like the border adjustment tax. Um. The President

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Speaker 1: ran on, and actually Secretary Clinton part to sum Extant

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Speaker 1: ran on, and Senator Sanders ran on, and most Ted

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Speaker 1: Cruz ran on most A lot of American politicians are

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01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 1: run on the fact that trade hasn't been good to

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Speaker 1: American workers in the last fifteen years. Say, and what

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Speaker 1: the Border adjustment tax does is it raises money for

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Speaker 1: the Congress US, so they can do hopefully good things

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Speaker 1: with it. But what we know it does is. It says,

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Speaker 1: if you're producing in America, you have a better tax,

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Speaker 1: you get better taxation rules. And if then if you're

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Speaker 1: producing overseas, and that's going to bring American money back

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Speaker 1: to the United States, and it's going to mean that

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Speaker 1: more more foreign countries as well are going to produce here.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I like about the border adjustment tax. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's not perfect, and I understand why people oppose it,

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Speaker 1: but if you and you and I are talking about

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people voted in two thousand sixteen

1970
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Speaker 1: on the basis of American workers need to be treated better,

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Speaker 1: the border adjustment tax is part of a tax reform

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Speaker 1: that's gonna make America more competitive. We don't have to

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Speaker 1: punish anybody else. We can do it ourselves. Our own policy,

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Speaker 1: our own control will be more competitive, and our trade

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Speaker 1: will be will deliver more benefits to the US. So

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Speaker 1: will help jobs in this country, and that's a manufacturing

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Speaker 1: and elsewhere. It does have that effectcause some economists like

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Speaker 1: to pretend that, oh, it's going to be terrible, it

1979
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Speaker 1: won't have any difference. You don't buy that. No, I

1980
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Speaker 1: do not. Like I said, I am not trying to

1981
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Speaker 1: sell border adjustment on being perfect. But you know what

1982
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Speaker 1: basically it's gonna do is it's going to make buying

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Speaker 1: some things more expensive, and it's gonna bring and it's

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Speaker 1: going to create more jobs. So you know, you know

1985
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Speaker 1: the story about the one armed economist on the one hand,

1986
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Speaker 1: on the other hand, and you know, economists are always

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Speaker 1: saying that, but that's what economics is. It's about trade offs.

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Speaker 1: The way I see it, though, border adjustment addresses an

1989
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Speaker 1: issue that not only got the president elected, but but

1990
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Speaker 1: it changed the whole last election that American people said,

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Speaker 1: we want more jobs, we want better jobs, we want

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Speaker 1: high paying jobs, we want more people in the labor force,

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Speaker 1: we want people coming back and working. Border adjustment it's

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Speaker 1: not costless, but it's going to help that, all right.

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Speaker 1: Derek Scissors, scholar at American Enterprise Institute, and Derek anywhere

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Speaker 1: you want to direct people to read your stuff, well,

1997
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Speaker 1: you could either go to the AI website and you

1998
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Speaker 1: can get lots of good things that aren't just about trade.

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Speaker 1: Just type American Enterprise Institute, or you could type Derek

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Speaker 1: Scissors directly into Google, because I think I'm the only

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Speaker 1: one in the world. There we go. You did refer

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Speaker 1: to Scissors and the third person there. But it was

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Speaker 1: an excellent interview, so we let it fly. I like it. Scissors,

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Speaker 1: high five man, thank you, thanks, thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for calling in, and we appreciate it. Alright, team eight

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Speaker 1: four to five, We'll be right back. It is the

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Speaker 1: main story on Fox news dot com right now, posted

2008
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Speaker 1: by James Rosen. Here's the headline, potential smoking gun showing

2009
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Speaker 1: Obama administration spied on Trump team. Source says they go

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Speaker 1: into some details here. Let me read to you from

2011
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Speaker 1: a relevant paragraph because I have a feeling that we

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Speaker 1: may have to tackle this in depth, in detail tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Quote classified intelligence showing incidental collection of Trump team communicy

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Speaker 1: communications purportedly seen by Committee Chairman Devin Juniez and described

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Speaker 1: by him in vague terms at a bombshell Wednesday afternoon

2016
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Speaker 1: news conference, came from multiple sources Capitol Hill. Sources told

2017
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Speaker 1: Fox News the intelligence corroborated information about surveillance of the

2018
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Speaker 1: Trump team that was known to nun Yez even before

2019
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Speaker 1: President Trump accused his preda his predecessor of having wire

2020
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Speaker 1: tapped him in a series of now infamous tweets posted

2021
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Speaker 1: on March fourth, and here we go. The intelligence is

2022
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 1: said to leave no doubt the Obama administration in its

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01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 1: closing days was using the cover of legitimate of legitimate

2024
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Speaker 1: surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President elect Trump,

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Speaker 1: according two sources, the key here is the conclusion that

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Speaker 1: the unmasking of selected US persons whose names appeared in

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Speaker 1: the intelligence, according to these sources, adding that the paper

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Speaker 1: trail leaves no other plausible purpose for the unmasking other

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Speaker 1: than to damage the incoming Trump administration. Ah. If this

2030
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Speaker 1: is true, folks, we are looking at a political climate

2031
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 1: that will quickly become thermonuclear. If this is true, it

2032
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Speaker 1: is the main story on Fox News right now. If

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Speaker 1: it is true that there are sources that are going

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Speaker 1: to come out that show. Remember, even if the surveillance

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Speaker 1: that picked up Trump and Trump and or Trump associates

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Speaker 1: was technically speaking legal and legitimate, the unmasking of those

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Speaker 1: US persons in that surveillance would be uh, certainly unethical,

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Speaker 1: possibly criminal, and politically catastrophic. Uh and nun Yes. Does

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Speaker 1: anyone think, Look, I canna You know, Sean Spicer gets

2040
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Speaker 1: told to go out there and defend the administration. That's

2041
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Speaker 1: his job, right, do you think Nunez has taken orders

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Speaker 1: from the President on what he said. I doubt it.

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Speaker 1: And you think he's making it up? Is he lying?

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Speaker 1: He's the Chairman of the House perman it's like Committee

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Speaker 1: on Intelligence. That's quite a conspiracy we're thinking about with that.

2046
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Speaker 1: If you don't believe him, I tend to believe him.

2047
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Speaker 1: I do believe him, And so what does that mean this?

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Speaker 1: We are going to be entering very precarious, uncharted waters

2049
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Speaker 1: here if this information comes out. So you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to join me tomorrow for more on that, and I'm

2051
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Speaker 1: sure we'll be hitting it next week. To please download

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Speaker 1: the podcast Buck Sexton with American Now on iTunes until tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Shields Hi, Everybody,