WEBVTT - Marathon Officials Finally Admit They Forced Runners To Race An Extra Half Mile! 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.400 Hey, the folks, it is Wednesday, August nineteenth, and a 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:13.400 major oops from the organizers of a major marathon. Turns 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:16.280 out those thousands of runners who thought they were running 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.160 twenty six point two miles, well it turns out they 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.280 ran a little farther than that. And with that, welcome 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.160 to this episode of Amy and TJ. Amy and TJ, 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:30.200 who happened to be some pretty hardcore serious runners, marathoners 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:35.560 we can call ourselves robes. The idea that you train 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.919 for five or six months for a marathon and then 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:43.520 you go run that marathon and it's longer than twenty 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:44.800 six point two miles. 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.280 Look, I actually will say this, I'm sure for anyone, 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.000 even if you're a runner, if you haven't run a marathon. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.120 And I will say this, I was not a marathoner 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:57.320 until I was forty six years old, and I would 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:59.400 have been in this camp seeing this headline. 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.000 I would have been like, like, what's. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.720 The big deal? You already ran twenty six point two miles. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:09.280 What's a few extra I don't know. It basically amounts 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.040 to just shy of another half mile, So that seems 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.280 like pennies in a bucket, right, No, a few. 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:18.520 Extra feet. 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.880 Will actually make you unravel, just to imagine towards the 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.280 end of a marathon. And you know this and anyone 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:33.200 who's run this type of a race, nos just an 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:35.920 extra like when you see four hundred meters left, when 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.480 you see two hundred meters left, you actually think you 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.760 can't do it, like you barely are making it to 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.200 think that you had to run an extra half mile pulleys. 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.120 So this has been here, we are we're recording this 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:54.240 on Wednesday, Robes. But this has been a significant controversy 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.600 in the running world. This week. The Edmonton, Yes, the 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.720 Edmonton Marathon, it's thirty fifth anniversary, happened on Sunday, Robes. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.280 And this is one where they have a marathon and 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.400 half marathon on the same days. New York doesn't do 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.239 it like that, they have to do it on separate days, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.720 but this is one. So you got ten thousand runners, Robes, 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:17.480 biggest year they've ever had, thirty fifth anniversary. Immediately immediately 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:23.640 after the race, people started complaining Robes that it was 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.799 too long and the course race was wrong. Now, some 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.639 if you're not a runner, you might go, how would 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.639 they know that? And be so sure? Well, Robes turns 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:36.040 out we have pretty good ways to track this. 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.919 Yes, most everyone now has a GPS monitor of some kind, 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:44.200 and look for those of us who are just running 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.480 for the fun of it, maybe to try and get 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.799 a personal best a set of pr Some people are 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.640 doing this a to win it for a significant time 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.800 that actually goes down in the record books. And a 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.560 lot of folks run these types of races to qualify 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.560 for other races. Time matters, and if you have to 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:07.280 run an extra half mile that absolutely messes up your. 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:11.280 Run time, your pace, and your qualifying time. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.360 So put people in this race. The runners even at 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:19.760 the halfway point, knew something was wrong because robes we 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.680 as runners. And again, you don't have to be a 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.680 marathon or even a half marathon. If you go out 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.840 and run two miles, three miles, four miles, five miles, 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.560 you get obsessed with keeping up with your times and 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.040 your pace. You can have your air pods on and 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:36.640 as you're running, the app Strava in particular that we use, 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.920 will tell you half mile your pace is blah blah blah, 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:42.640 blah blah blah, and then the net when you get 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.200 to a mile, it'll tell you completed a mile, your 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.760 pace is blah blah blah blah. So these folks are 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.880 running robes in the race, and at some point the 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.840 times are all off, Like, wait a minute, the marker 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.560 says on the street that I'm at this particular mile, 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:03.360 but my and my GPS is telling me I'm somewhere 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.800 else that's way behind. What the hell is going on? 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:10.240 So it was happening during the race. Afterwards everybody starts complaining. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.120 The race organizers decide they have to respond, Robes, it 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.960 gets big enough, Yes, so they give them what has 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:24.159 now been deemed one gas lighting statement that she just 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:24.760 won't believe. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:29.960 Yeah, they were trying to double down and say that no, 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:34.560 I'm sorry, folks, We're right, we measured this, we know 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.920 what we're doing, and so they this was their official response. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.360 Based on this process and the fact that the route 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.480 was also confirmed on race day by a World Athletics 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:50.039 AMS Grade A course measurer, we are confident in the 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.880 accuracy of the certified course distances. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.120 And the validity of the race results. End of story. 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.480 So let us just say we have no idea what 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:03.960 a World Athletics AMS Grade A course measurer is, but 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.080 robes it sounds. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.599 Official, sounds important sounds like they know what they're talking about. 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:09.919 And Grade A you can't get higher than grade A. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.080 No, it's not grade B, it's not Grade C, it's 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:12.520 Grade A. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.760 So the point is this person knew what they were doing. 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:21.680 Y'all need to pipe down, shut up. Your GPS is off. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.760 They even put out something kind of explaining, you know, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:25.839 GPS from the satellite, so you have to account for 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.320 going around buildings and things, and sometimes your routes you 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:30.919 take around other runners can and look. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.160 I might have bought that because I don't know about you, babe, 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.200 But when I run marathons or half marathons all the time, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:43.200 my Strava is slightly off from what I see because 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.240 when you're running a race, they have signs posted and so. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.280 And it is a mind f is what I like 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:49.760 to call it. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.279 Because if my GPS or my Strava tells me that 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.280 I just crossed mile thirteen and I don't even see 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:02.400 mile thirteen marker for another couple hundred feet, it messes 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.520 with me. It starts to sometimes when I've run marathons, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.039 my Strava will tell me that I didn't run twenty 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.480 six point two miles. I ran twenty seven miles or 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.640 I ran twenty six point eight miles. And I'm telling you, 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.640 once you already hear the mile marker, it really messes 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.240 with your psyche when you're running. So but I always, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.680 I always toss it up to the fact that, yeah, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.560 satellites are messed up. You've got that many people running 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:29.680 with that many folks trying to access satellites down to 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.240 their phones or their Apple watches. So I would have 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.760 believed this. I would never have pushed backed. I would 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.360 have just thought, yep, I guess I ran slower than 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:37.760 I thought. 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:42.000 Okay, So there are, of course, robes discrepancies that do 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.440 take place that you're speaking of. We've all experienced you 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:48.000 and I run together all the time. You and I 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.920 be standing in the exact same place, get the Strava 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.560 buttons to start at the exact same time, run the 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.520 exact same route, and come back, and our distances are 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:59.960 all off. Correct, So that happens robes. It's not off 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:01.000 by half mile. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.440 No, it's off by much much, much shorter than that. 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:10.080 But even the smallest difference is annoying. Like you and 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.920 I to the point, like say we're running up we're 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.160 doing a training when we're doing six miles and I 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.800 finish because my Strava says I just hit six miles. 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.600 Your Strava says you are at five point nine miles. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.440 You won't just stop because my Stravi says six miles. 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.400 Oh hell no, you got to keep going until yours 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:29.840 hit six miles. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.320 Even though I was with you and I know we 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.720 ran the exact same step for step, So why am 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.160 I having to now required to run farther? 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:39.040 Mental thing? 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.880 It is absolutely this is a weird thing we do 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.280 and we have, but it's just any runner listening knows 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.080 this is nuts. So for two days, robes two days 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.000 they push back against a lot of runners who are 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.200 being very vocal robes about their experience. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.080 Yeah, there were a record U said, a record number 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:02.200 of runners, ten thousand runners at this race, and we're 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.520 talking like a huge amount of them. We're all saying 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:08.760 the same thing. That's the difference. I think all of 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.080 us understand there's some discrepancy here and there, But when 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.920 you have that many runners, and some of the elite 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:19.360 runners whose times mattered, like they know how fast, I'm 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.440 not sure it depends on how much I ate the 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.680 night before. It depends on how my stomach feels. It 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.000 depends on the wind, the weather, whatever. But some of 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.360 these elite athletes, they know their bodies, they know their pace, 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.679 and they know when it's off and robes. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:42.120 You know, if you're running and your last mile takes 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:47.880 you twelve minutes and fifty four seconds, you're gonna go, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:48.240 what the. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.440 Hell you're like, that's not correct, possible. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.680 So folks were seeing things that were so ridiculous. So 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:58.480 we're talking about six hundred to nine hundred meters to 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.080 translate that, we're talking about to half a mile off 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.400 is what people were talking about. So for two days 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:08.440 they get pushed back on from the event organizers, and 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.880 then they finally robes after two days, yesterday last night 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.440 they finally had to respond and Robes they had to 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:15.160 make an admission. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:20.319 Yes they did, so here I love the way they 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:27.080 worded this next statement. The Edmonton Marathon's previous statement detailing 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.400 confidence in the core certification process was issued with the 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:36.199 best information it had at the time. The review identified 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:41.120 an error in how this year's detour related course adjustments 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:45.200 were calculated, and for that we sincerely apologize. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.800 What happened was for two days they made they were 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.280 pissing people off, and they spoke, they used the word 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:55.400 they were being gas lit. We are not crazy, We 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.600 know this stuff. Robes, all of us are not crazy 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.719 till this statement comes out. So how much are we 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.960 talking about? Was added? Forty two point two kilometers is 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:10.880 what a marathon is. In the metric system, forty two 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.760 point two became forty two point nine. So in our language, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.880 robes of miles, twenty six point two miles is what 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:22.240 a marathon is. They ran twenty six point six. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.840 So almost a full half mile more ropes. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.559 A half mile at that point will take somebody in 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.240 extra if you're hauling ass, even it's four minutes. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.559 Yeah, But for me at that point at the end 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.760 of the race, you could be talking about an extra 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:37.880 five six minutes. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.960 Bro. If someone you're an extra five minutes at the 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.680 end of twenty six point two miles is too much 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:44.319 to task. 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:47.920 As an extra five steps sometimes is too. 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.120 Much more, And it's crazy. I know some people are listening. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.520 You just ran four hours, Run another five minutes and 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.800 shut up. It's no such a mine. 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:55.640 I'm telling you. 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:58.560 I remember my because my dad had run three marathons, 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.200 and I used to say, oh, I could never run 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:00.800 a marathon. 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.280 And you started to explain about the twenty mile wall. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.120 When you hit twenty miles, all the glycogen reserves in 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.160 your body are gone and your body actually has to 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:14.240 start going into muscle mass to just produce any kind 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:18.360 of fuel or energy to push you into that last 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.160 six point two miles. So when you think you are 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.079 depleted and done and you have nothing left in the tank, 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.280 you got to run a ten k. Now you add 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.959 another half mile on top of an already empty tank. 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.520 It is excruciating. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.640 People's legs are seizing, some people are gasping for air. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.320 Some people just start walking and giving up. I mean, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:46.400 it's the last the last six miles of a marathon. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.560 It is the people. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.440 That's when the people, like at least at the New 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.480 York uh, the New York Marathon in Central Park, are 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.400 probably like, oh hell no. That's when you see the 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:59.040 signs you paid for this, like you did this for 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.080 a banana or a free banana or a free bagel. 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.240 You know, it's it is questionable. 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.000 And if I imagine anyone who's just watching marathons, if 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.319 you see the last few miles, if you're on the fence, 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.280 you're thinking, oh, I'm never gonna Why would anyone put 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.439 themselves through this? Crossing the finish line is another story, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.640 But yeah, you can't do that to people. I actually 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.400 think about how angry it would be that I had 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.880 to run an extra half mile and didn't even realize 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.800 it was happening, or maybe when you did. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:31.680 Realize it, you're told you're crazy. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.880 Okay, see there it is. You just hit the part 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.600 that's most frustrating and frustrating for them when you find 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:41.240 this out mid race. Robes you talk about when you 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.480 run out of everything at the end, you have nothing 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:44.560 left in the tank. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.079 Literally nothing physically or emotionally you. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.319 But that's when mentally you have to be your strongest. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.480 You have to have it. You have to carry yourself 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.280 for six miles mentally because your body cannot do it. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.880 You have to do that. And Robes to think that 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.680 you're in that moment and to have to calculate some 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:06.480 way I now need to find a way to get 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.959 another half miles or five minutes out of this. Bodys, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.000 the training runs we do, I'm worse about it than 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.160 you are. I am like, nope, baby, I will not 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.040 start this run with you. Unless you tell me where 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:20.320 our turnaround point is. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:21.719 You are very meticulous. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.920 I have to know my goal. I have to know 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.720 when it ends, when we're turning around. When something happened, Robes, 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.160 I will lose my mind. 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:32.960 Oh, I know, even if we're not even doing a 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:34.440 training run, we're just going out for run. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:35.800 How much far do you want to go? I'm like, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.959 I don't know. Three? Four? You're like, no, pick one? 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.240 Is it three? Or is it four? I'm like, I 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:40.760 don't know. 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:42.800 Because I'm I'm kind of like, well, let's just see 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:43.840 what my body feels like. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:45.280 Absolutely not. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.880 I must know what we're where, how far we're going, 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.560 and where the turnaround. 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.880 Is that we're in saying like that. So that's what 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.199 runners do, what marathoners do. So here they come Robes. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.400 Of course they have to issue this apology and the 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.160 question is how in the hell does something like this happened. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.400 This is how they do explain. I'm trying to pull 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:04.560 it up here. If you have an in front of ship, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.400 I got it. They said, how it happens. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.680 This is the explanation given to runners from the Edmonton Marathon. 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:11.120 Folks. 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:15.560 The additional distance added for the Wellington Bridge detour was 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.160 partially offset with adjustments made at the course's west end 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.960 turnaround point. Upon review, it was determined that the turnaround 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.760 point did not fully offset the addition of the detour. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.160 See the idea there. It's the same route they usually 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:32.280 use year and year out, but apparently there's construction going 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.040 so they had to adjust for that and make a detour, 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:40.480 and they didn't make up for the proper way somewhere else. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:41.640 Exactly, so they sat. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.440 Upon review, it was determined that the turnaround point did 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.200 not fully offset the addition of the detour, which resulted 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.280 in a net increase to the distance of the half 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.400 marathon and marathon courses of six hundred and seventy four 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.960 points seven meters. And to your point, this happened early 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:02.960 on in the race. Half marathons and marathonors were all 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:08.920 affected by the additional I guess length of the course. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.360 This is maddening the idea that something like this could happen. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.000 And I'm always curious. I think we've talked about it before. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.200 How do they get this right exactly every time? 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.800 I know, because I always question it a little bit 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:26.360 because my Strava never the race ever course, not once ever. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.960 I just trust that the New York City Marathon knows 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.680 what it's doing. But collectively, if I heard a bunch 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.040 of other folks, I'd be like, oh, yeah, I ran 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:38.160 faster than that. That couldn't possibly be my face. So 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.440 now they're going to have to fix races most times, 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:41.520 I bet they will. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.560 Now. Also, races around the world will pay closer attention 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.800 to this. You cannot have this happen at these elite races. 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.560 And why does this matter? Just a few folks bitching 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.680 and moaning about the times. No, folks, it's much deeper 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.480 than that. We will explain why this is so important, 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.360 what happened in this race, how it could affect other 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.360 marathons around the world. Also, we'll let you hear the 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.720 official apology to runners that the organization had. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:21.920 They here welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. I 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:26.600 don't know how much this helps after days of complaining, 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:31.480 days of insisting that the Edmonton Marathon folks had an 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:37.400 extended race course that cost runners precious time, precious energy 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.080 and really was a mind f Like to be honest 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.680 with you, like, just mentally that is that's going to 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.240 mess up any runner, And then it's frustrating to know 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:50.280 that this can't be right. I know, I wasn't that slow, 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.480 and yet you're being told by race officials, Nope, you 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:53.800 you actually were that slow. 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:55.320 Nope, it wasn't our fault. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.360 You just must have had an off day, only to 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.640 find out that, in fact, yeah, they did kind of 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:04.280 mess things up, and after clarifying that they yes, miss 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.080 measured the race course because of construction, they issued this 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:13.960 apology to runners. The event owns this error, and we 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.080 take full responsibility. We do not take this lightly. We 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.280 understand that every participant arrives at the start line having 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:26.400 invested months of dedicated training, hard work, courage, and deeply 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.520 held goals. We also understand we host the nation's best athletes, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:34.560 and their finishing times did not truly reflect. 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:35.560 Their amazing performances. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.200 We also understand the connection this event has with our 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.200 city and its pride in delivering exceptional, world class events. 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:46.520 Moving ahead, we will review our certification processes with our 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.679 partners and ensure this error does not happen again. 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:51.520 Would you write it again? 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:53.760 I guess maybe you know. 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.200 It's one of those moments where you say, the safest 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.360 place to be is where some attack just happened. When 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.520 the folks, is on an error, you probably have the 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.040 best shot of it being done correctly the next time around. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:07.920 So yeah, I think I would. 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.920 I'm going to question all the races now, and look, 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.640 that's no small thing. And look, this is it is important. 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.520 There are a lot of people who had goals that 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:25.680 they wanted to reach, prs that they wanted to make 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.680 that they missed by a few minutes, that this would 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:34.000 have actually made a difference. I know, folks, it might 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.680 not sound like a big deal, but running a marathon 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:42.480 in four minutes and four seconds versus three minutes and 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:47.000 fifty nine seconds is the world. Oh my, it's the world. Okay, yes, 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:48.320 so I. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.919 Mean the difference between my best and my worst marathon 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:59.640 is I believe, nine minutes. But it's devastating when your 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.040 even a couple minutes slower than your last race. And 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.480 that's just when you're comparing yourself to yourself. Some of 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.240 these folks are comparing themselves to others and are using 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.080 their race times to compete in other races, and they 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.800 need those best race times to make it into those races. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.960 So that's the question. Still, robes these are going to 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.240 be used as possible qualifying times to get into other 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:21.080 races around the. 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:22.879 World, Boston Marathon, et cetera. 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.679 If your time is off by five minutes, potentially is 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.479 that going to make an impact? So they say they 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.880 are working on some type of solution to try to 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:36.480 make these race results count, because how can they right now? Rose, 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:37.680 how can any of them. 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:40.159 Get I don't know if there's a mathematic equation you 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:46.520 can assign to taking out that distance based on your 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.000 I don't know how. I'm you forready establish math and 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:50.960 I are not friends. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.080 But you were going on the right path, rogues because 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.120 you have to figure out everybody's pace and some kind 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.920 of algorithm that how do you figure that out? Well, 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:03.119 you were running at this for the average of the marathon. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.760 To apply that to minus the last how do you 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:07.800 do that? You cannot do that? 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:11.240 Could you just take the race results and like. 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:14.080 Put an asterisk? 0:20:14.600 --> 0:20:15.280 I'm trying to. 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:18.359 I don't Yeah, how do you do it? 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:19.840 Bab I don't know how you do it? 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.080 Because you cannot count. Deal, it can't count. You just 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.480 spent six months in your life training for a marathon 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:26.320 and it doesn't count. 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:28.960 And your and your and your actual run time does 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.960 not reflect the effort you put into it and your 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:35.560 actual performance of that day. That is demoralizing in a 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.240 lot of ways for a lot of folks. 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:41.200 It absolutely is. We'll see what they end up doing 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.880 with this. Hope they get something work out. For the runners, 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:45.920 don't know what they can, but I hope they get 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:46.600 something worked out. 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.320 And look, they've been doing this for thirty five years. 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.960 I mean that is that is shocking that it happened. Look, 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.280 we have run, We've been running more half marathons around 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:00.160 the country, around the world, And it is true each 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.719 race is very distinctive from the other, and not all 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.080 races are run as well as some. 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:06.080 And you do. 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:10.440 Notice when organizations have their shit together and when they don't, 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:13.920 And it absolutely makes a difference in your experience and 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:15.160