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Speaker 3: So congratulations, congratulations to you two. You got to add

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just an opportunity to either be at

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Speaker 1: And now we got a series out right now called

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Speaker 1: What is Southwest High about? So Southwest High is a

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Speaker 1: modern day version of Lean on Me. It's NBA legend.

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Speaker 1: And the funny thing, I watched Lean on Me like

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Speaker 1: So like it's almost gambling to me, or like strip clubs,

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Speaker 1: So you would do that, y'all You think you think

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Speaker 3: Like do you how do you motivate them to let

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Speaker 3: them know it's another level. Don't get comfortable here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's that's the appetizer, that's all that's that's

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Speaker 1: the apple. That's not the main course. So in college

436
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Speaker 1: you'll be so those that are destined to make the league.

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Speaker 1: And usually one of the barometers if you make it

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Speaker 1: to the McDonald's High School All American Game. And I'm

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Speaker 1: fortunate enough right now shot the Rock Nation and Same

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Speaker 1: Page Entertainment we're producing a documentary called Meal Ticket. And

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Speaker 1: when you make the McDonald's High School All American Game,

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Speaker 1: and this is crazy, eighty percent of those players make

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Speaker 1: it to the league. So when you're in high school,

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Speaker 1: it's like I got to make the McDonald's game. I

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Speaker 1: got to make the McDonald's game. And so now that

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Speaker 1: you get to college and you're able to get paid

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Speaker 1: to play, and then you look at what the NBA

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Speaker 1: players get paid, it's like unique because you're on campus,

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Speaker 1: you can pay for a mansion and you can have

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Speaker 1: some f you money, but at the same time it

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Speaker 1: ain't the like generational wealth money. And so that's an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to not only chase your dream by making it

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Speaker 1: to the league, but also make that kind of dollar

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Speaker 1: that changes the game forever.

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Speaker 5: I think a big part of it too is like

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Speaker 5: some people feel like because it goes from like you

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Speaker 5: could you come in and get this kid from wherever

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Speaker 5: you've never seen this amount of money, and then you

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Speaker 5: go crazy and in io dos go crazy. You don't

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Speaker 5: know what to do with the money. Also, so it

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Speaker 5: puts kids in a position where like they just doing

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Speaker 5: whatever money being blown. And that's a part of the pushback.

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Speaker 1: To correct And as much as I wanted the nil

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Speaker 1: money and we deserved it, we would have been wilding.

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Speaker 1: But show out the thing that I appreciate about young

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Speaker 1: players now y'all don't see them like turning up really

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Speaker 1: with the money. If you think about it, like there's

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Speaker 1: young college players that are making millions of day on

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Speaker 1: college campuses right now. Like I would have been at

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Speaker 1: every strip club, bought every car, had every diamond. I

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Speaker 1: would have been doing all of that and plan at

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Speaker 1: the same time driving to Detroit in a sprinter every day,

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Speaker 1: like I would have literally been living in a mansion,

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Speaker 1: like I literally would have been doing that. So I

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Speaker 1: applaud the young people in their discipline of how they're

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Speaker 1: handling it. But yeah, it does affect the game in

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Speaker 1: a unique way because it's like a one year contract

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Speaker 1: each season. So if you're unhappy with your minutes or

479
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Speaker 1: you do really well on a bad team. So I

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Speaker 1: was watching a couple of teams later in the year,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, they're not just playing for what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen with this team next year. They're playing

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Speaker 1: for the NDL deal for another team that's going to

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Speaker 1: come and take them from that team. So when you're

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Speaker 1: watching teams shake hands at the end of games and

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Speaker 1: you see a coach go up to a player like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I like you, like you did your thing, a lot

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Speaker 1: of those teams end up with that player on their squad.

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Speaker 1: That literally happens based on the NIL movement.

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Speaker 4: Now, going back to the film real quick, I know

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Speaker 4: you gotta go going back to the film self, what

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Speaker 4: you know, your serious self, what's high? Because you are

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Speaker 4: so new in acting. What was one of the most

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Speaker 4: challenging things about filming because your lead actor, like, I

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Speaker 4: don't think a lot of.

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Speaker 1: People really know what that will.

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Speaker 4: All that entails as memorizing scripts and like you said,

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Speaker 4: working with acting coaches and things like that, where were

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Speaker 4: the biggest challenges you think?

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Speaker 1: The number one thing I told them And as you know,

501
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Speaker 1: we were casting everyone, I was like, I need to

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Speaker 1: be the least experienced person on here. I'm smart enough

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Speaker 1: to know that I want everybody else to be experienced

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Speaker 1: in their own right so that they can uplift me

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Speaker 1: and I can learn from them, and also it can

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Speaker 1: still be really good. The number one challenge, and you

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Speaker 1: guys know is memorizing your lines and also being able

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Speaker 1: to deliver them with the inflections that they deserve at

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Speaker 1: that time. So something you might say at the beginning

510
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Speaker 1: maybe something different than you might say in the middle,

511
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Speaker 1: there's something that you say at the end. And so

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Speaker 1: like there's a level of professionalism to come with that.

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Speaker 1: And there's a room full of people and you can't

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Speaker 1: keep messing up, you know, So if you show up

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Speaker 1: and you don't know your lines, it's like you disrespecting everybody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because now that's time. We allow a certain amount

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Speaker 4: of time and then that's more money.

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Speaker 1: Too, Yes, and then you feel foolish when you're the

519
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Speaker 1: person with five people go and say their lines, and

520
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Speaker 1: then you're the person that don't know it. And so that,

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Speaker 1: I feel like is the toughest thing. And the other

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Speaker 1: and the other thing is to like get in the character.

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Speaker 1: Like Denzel Washington is like an uncle to me, godfather

524
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Speaker 1: to me. He John McClain and Norm Nixon for thirty

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Speaker 1: years because he was enormous my first agent. And just

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Speaker 1: watching him get in the character is a real thing,

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Speaker 1: whether it's putting on weight, whether you're calling him his character,

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Speaker 1: like when he's doing a movie, you have to call

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Speaker 1: him that character, you know, like he gets really into it.

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Speaker 1: The method, yes, and so I think those are the

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Speaker 1: toughest things. But I learned a lot from the people

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Speaker 1: on set in Southwest High as a hit. So make

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Speaker 1: sure y'all run it up on TV right now.

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Speaker 3: Did you do anything to be method, like not get

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Speaker 3: a shape up? Or you gotta have had to have

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Speaker 3: the sharp.

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Speaker 1: Hair, gotta have, gotta have, a gotta have that's undefeated,

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Speaker 1: gotta have. And the craziest thing, Charlotte is still people

539
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Speaker 1: to feel like man he with the Portugal to get

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Speaker 1: a hair plugged. I'm like, I mean fresh fresh. I'm

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Speaker 1: from Detroit. I ain't doing all of that. If i

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Speaker 1: even think my hair is going bald, I'm cutting it

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Speaker 1: off right. If I done before, I've done the party before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you wasn't ready to go ball.

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Speaker 3: You just did it because you wanted to.

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Speaker 1: I just did it because I wanted It was just

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Speaker 1: a thing. That's a camaraderie thing that we all did.

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Speaker 1: Is the Fab five, which is were his ball. Some

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Speaker 1: people just that I were a ball when I didn't

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Speaker 1: need to.

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Speaker 2: Well, Southwest High you can check it on too, bet

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Speaker 2: now make sure you check it out.

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Speaker 1: And we appreciate you for joining us. I appreciate the

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Speaker 1: love y'all killing the game. Thank y'all from being the

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Speaker 1: number one showing the game. Appreciate Jalen Rose. It's the

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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. Good morning. Every day we click yours up

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Finished for y'all. Done,