1 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: We wanted to do something that highlighted our. 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 3: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 3: a sibling. 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: Ravalry, No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth. 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: Ravelry. 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: That's good, Oliver. I am so excited about this next guest. 9 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm actually like I have like a little bit of 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: anxiety about the questions I'm going to ask, I know, 11 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: or what you're going to ask. 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: Well, I know I want to ask this guest. Here's 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: a little hint of who we're talking to about actually 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 3: consuming human flesh, I mean, and having to eat their 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: friends in order to survive. So that should give you 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: a hint who are talking to if you have seen 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 3: the older flick right movie called A Lot, a Lot. 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: So we are interviewing doctor Roberto Kanessa, who still lives 19 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: in Uruguay, yep, and he is one of the survivors 20 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: of the plane crash. 21 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 4: That's actually the one who ended up hiking out with 22 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: Nan do right with this boy, and they treked forty 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 4: three miles not really knowing where they were going, sort 24 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 4: of knowing that Chile was west following the sun west 25 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 4: one hundred thousand steps. 26 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: I'm a little anxious to talk about I don't know 27 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: what to ask. I don't you know, when you're in 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: these situations, I feel a little bit of anxiety. I 29 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: want to ask the right question. 30 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 3: But you also don't want to offend or bring back 31 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: any sort of haunting. 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: Memory on how he feels about these names. 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 3: I know I have a thing that's going to be pretty. 34 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: Cool, so but I can't wait. 35 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 3: To Yeah, why don't we let him in it? Oh, 36 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: by the way, this. 37 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: Is also one of our favorite movies growing up. 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 3: Oh my god. But there's a new one on Netflix, 39 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: Society of the snout Right, and that's what so apparently 40 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: it's amazing and it's done in the native languages, and 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: I'm excited to see it. I haven't seen it yet, 42 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: but I'm gonna watch it too. 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it too. And let's bring on doctor 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: Roberto Vanessa open the door. 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, finally, finally. 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. 47 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 6: We're so we're so excited to talk to you about 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 6: your amazing story. 49 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: You're very familiar with. 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 5: So long ago I forgot about it. 51 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 3: No, I know, not a possibility. 52 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 5: I'm my grandpa. 53 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: Now where are you living. 54 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 5: I'm living in Uruay in Montevideo, at the bottom of 55 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 5: South America, a beach in Brazil and Argentina. 56 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: Oh so and so, now for those who for those 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: who don't know your story, I mean, I know it's 58 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: a long when it's an amazing book about amazing film alive. 59 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: But do you mind sharing a little bit about what 60 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: happened in nineteen seventy two. 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 5: Well, we're a rugby team, your Christians Club, and we 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 5: were heading to Chile to buy a play a friendship much. 63 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 5: We are in the Atlantic coast and we had toply 64 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 5: to the Pacific, so we had to fly over the Antes, 65 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 5: and the weather conditions were not appropriate, so it was 66 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 5: very clouded, and so the plane decided to descend before 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 5: he had crossed the Andes, and it crashed against the mountains. 68 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 5: Human mistake. It was pile error, fighter error. Yeah. 69 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: Stranded there for two over two yeah, ten weeks, over 70 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: two months. 71 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 5: To two days, yeah, two days. 72 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 3: Faced with starvation, freezing temperatures too, avalanches that almost killed everyone, 73 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: but it did it did? I think it did take 74 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: eight people those avalanches, correct, right, correct? And then at 75 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: some point you had to make the decision because your 76 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: rescue was called off to hike out and to find help, 77 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: and you were one of those people who actually hiked 78 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: out to have that correct. 79 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, there were many teams that tried to hike and 80 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 5: they failed. This was October, which is winter in South America, 81 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 5: so they were got by thunderstorms and everything. So I 82 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 5: thought we had to wait. So the final expedition was 83 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 5: December eleventh, and then we were out there twenty second 84 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 5: of December. I think we were the poorest manifestation of 85 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 5: human beings. I've been reading a very we got factfulness 86 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 5: about how poor people can be. And then the first 87 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 5: level is the humans that gather for eating that that 88 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 5: they have water. I have to go two hours and 89 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 5: with a bucket to get water, but we wouldn't have 90 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 5: any water. So we were the most poor manifestation of 91 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 5: human beings. 92 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: So let's start from the beginning a little bit. I'd 93 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: like to understand about your career for rugby. So when 94 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: you were younger, I mean, was this something this team, 95 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: and like being on this team was a huge deal, 96 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: I would assume for you and to travel like that 97 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: at that age. 98 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 5: When I was nineteen years old and in the previous 99 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 5: year I played for the national team. You're going national 100 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: team which is not huge I mean rugby, but we 101 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 5: played against the Chileans and we were very even. The 102 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 5: Argentinians used to be the strongly and Paraguay was very weak. 103 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 5: So we became friends with the Chileans and say why 104 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 5: don't you come and with your team instead of coming 105 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 5: with the national team, so we don't have to wait 106 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 5: for two years. So there was the way it began, 107 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 5: the project and before we had the playing christ The 108 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 5: previous year we have done the same trip and it 109 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 5: was spectacular. I mean the mountains were great, the weather 110 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 5: was great. So the next year we just were fascinated 111 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 5: to go back there to play. 112 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: Was there a lot of camaraderie on the team, you know, 113 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: did you guys know each other very very well and 114 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 3: you're all best friends? 115 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 5: Well? We they come from a school called the Irish 116 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 5: Christian Brothers. The Irish Christian Brothers went to South America 117 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 5: to teach religion and English and was a very incredible 118 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 5: mixture between different cultures. I mean we have lots of 119 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 5: cow meat, lots lots of sunshine, and the Irish people 120 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 5: have to eat potatoes all the time, and they were 121 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 5: very poor but very educated. So there was a different civilization. 122 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 5: Especially we came to sports that they say, you're not 123 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 5: playing soccer because soccer is a game that doesn't doesn't 124 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 5: educate people. You go to the soccer coach and they 125 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 5: insult the referee, they insult the other people. You will 126 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 5: play rugby. There is a sport where the judge is 127 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 5: always right, Brather, because they were Christian brothers. This is 128 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 5: unfair because what happened if he makes a mistake. And 129 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 5: and then he told us, who told you life is fair, 130 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 5: life is unfair, So they would be good for teaching you. 131 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 5: And after we finished the school, we decided to make 132 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 5: our own rugby team. It was an amateur team. 133 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: And and and so here you are, you know, flying 134 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: And when did you know something was wrong? Was it 135 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: clear like and did it happen fast or did it 136 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: feel like forever? 137 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 5: No? 138 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: No. 139 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 5: We we had a couple of air bumps between the 140 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 5: clouds and we begin falling around and then someone said, 141 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 5: look at the mountains. They are very close to the wing. 142 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 5: And in that moment the engine went full power. The 143 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 5: plane was shaken and trying to climb, and then it 144 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 5: hit the mountain, and you know. When it hit the mountain, 145 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 5: I said, Roberto, you're going to die. I don't know 146 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 5: what death is like, but this is the only thing 147 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 5: you look forward is dying. What happens is the plane 148 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 5: lost the tail and both wings, and the fuselage began 149 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 5: sliding on the side of the mountain. And I remember 150 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 5: very vividly this moment because a guy was praying to 151 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 5: Hail Mary. The other was saying, Jesus, Jesus, don't I 152 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: don't want to die. And I grabbed to my seat 153 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 5: with all my strength, and when the fuselage hit the 154 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 5: bottom of the valley, all the seat got dislodged. I 155 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 5: was thrown to the fore part of the plane with 156 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 5: incredible force. I got a huge blow on my head, 157 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 5: and as I was fainting, I felt it had stopped, 158 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 5: and say, I'm alive. My arms are here, my legs 159 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 5: are there. I cannot believe I made it. I mean, 160 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 5: this is a plane crash, of course, but if I 161 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 5: must get out of the way, because there were lots 162 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 5: of dead people and injured people. And when I went 163 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 5: to the back part of the plane where the door 164 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 5: was at the tail, this all had been broken and 165 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 5: we're in the middle of the mountains, was snowing very 166 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 5: peacefully around. No help, no nothing, no ambulances, and a 167 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 5: mess with my friends injured and blowns in the head, 168 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 5: were delirious, and a guy had an iron bar stuck 169 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 5: into the stomach. That one had a broken leg, so 170 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 5: we had to put everything in place. Another guy coming 171 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 5: towards the plane, and when he was like ten meters apart, 172 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 5: he was literally swallowed by the snow. So we thought, 173 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 5: this is the mansion, this is crazy, this is not true, 174 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 5: this is a nightmare. I must push a button and 175 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 5: reverse what I'm going through. This is gonna be real 176 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 5: that we crashed against a mountain. I'm alive and all 177 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 5: these people are dead. But that was a real thing. 178 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 5: And someone said, the pilo is alive. He was the 179 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 5: key man. The pilot knew about where we were, so 180 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 5: we rushed into the cabinet and the guy was bleeding 181 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 5: and saying we passed Currico and the curricles in the 182 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 5: middle of the valley of Chile and we're in the 183 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 5: middle of the mountains, so he was making a huge mistake. 184 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 5: He was the key man, but he was a man 185 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 5: that crashed the plane. So I learned further on in 186 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 5: life that when you have an advisor, if he makes mistakes, 187 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 5: you better change your advisor, because that doesn't mean that 188 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 5: he's at the authority. And then the night came on 189 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 5: and we had to get all together into the fuselage 190 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 5: and people were crying, were dying or different circumstances. And 191 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 5: so when the next day came on, your mind gets reseted, 192 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 5: and I was feeling very very happy that the most 193 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 5: injured people weren't suffering more and was not shouting. I 194 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 5: think that the changes your mind can make. And what 195 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 5: happened there is the society of the snow. We had 196 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 5: to develop a different society from the everyday society because 197 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 5: it was impossible to survive and as everywhere or knows, 198 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 5: the food was the dead people. So there were lots 199 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 5: of changes that abruptly we had to assume in order 200 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 5: to keep alive. 201 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: Did someone did someone assume the role of the leader, 202 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: or like, how did that happen? How did the leader? 203 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 3: How did the leaders emerge from a situation like this? 204 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 5: Well, our natural leader was the captain of the team, 205 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 5: I mean, and we went towards him, but he was devastated, 206 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 5: I mean, he was a rugby team leader, and of 207 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 5: course no one wants to be the leader when the 208 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 5: Titanic is sinking. Happens in those moments that merges the 209 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 5: leadership of ideas. The ideas that come up more strongly 210 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 5: are the ones that go around. I believe that this 211 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 5: is a an experiment about human behavior, and that I 212 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 5: was were like guinea pigs, the world submitted to a 213 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 5: tribal circumstances, and it's very interesting that the leadership party 214 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 5: people theoretically can go on, but there wasn't time to leadership, 215 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 5: and as you know, you know, leadership changes according to circumstances. 216 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 5: At Winston Church there was an incredible leader. He won 217 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 5: the war, but he lost the president's CITs to England. 218 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 5: So the leadership is a change in motion. And I 219 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 5: think there's something that should be reviewed about how leadership 220 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 5: goes around into groups. Because the leadership was the leadership 221 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 5: of ideas. 222 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: So it shifted as these two months progressed and you're 223 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: trying to survive and you're using all of your capabilities 224 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: as humans to sort of just stay breathing and stay alive. 225 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: Those those those roles shifted and changed. 226 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 5: Yes, leadership changes according to the months are according to 227 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 5: what is needed. Another very interesting aspect is that we 228 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 5: came very close to God. I mean we're a rugby 229 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 5: players who are enjoying dating girls and drinking beer and everything. 230 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 5: And when you found yourself there and your friend that 231 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 5: is the same as you is dead and the line 232 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 5: between life and death is very very slim. You get 233 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 5: towards your problem next boss, which is God, and you 234 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 5: begin to think, Hey, God, I'm going to meet you, 235 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 5: where I'm going to go, where You're going to put me? 236 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 5: And this is something I have found when we would 237 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 5: rugby at people in jail. People in jail come very 238 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 5: devote and very Catholic. And this is a kind of 239 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 5: human behavior. I mean, I think we are programmed in 240 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 5: a way that in face of death, the religion comes 241 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 5: and the need of God comes around when we cannot 242 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: cope with a situation. Is when God comes around and 243 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 5: emerging as the force that would give you the chances 244 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 5: that naturally you will have. 245 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: Now the moment, what were the sort of most like 246 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: critical decisions that had to be made? You know, were 247 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: there were there sort of moments where it's like, well 248 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: we're either going to stay here, Like do you remember 249 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: exactly the time when you when you're shifting all those 250 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: ideas around with your teammates and survivors, like what were 251 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: the most critical decisions. 252 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 5: A couple of very clever and strong guys tryed to 253 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 5: get out, and they were called by snowstorms and they 254 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 5: can back with their teeth. They were loose, they were freezing, 255 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 5: they were blind, so it was very difficult to walk out, 256 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 5: and especially if pilots said with Pasco Rico. But the 257 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 5: tallest mountains were towards Chile, and and a friend of mine, Nando, 258 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 5: had brought her mother and her sister, and that both 259 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 5: us died at the plane crash. So he was committed 260 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 5: that he wanted to go out, and he wanted me 261 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 5: to go with him, but I wasn't very convinced. So 262 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 5: other friends would come around and say, go and convince 263 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 5: Roberto to walk with you. And he would come around 264 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 5: and tell me, I Fijo says that I have to 265 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 5: convince you. Is he coming? No, he wants me to 266 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 5: convince you. So it's a kind of manipulation I felt 267 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 5: there was going around. You know, this are the kind 268 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 5: of human decisions that you must face. Until one day 269 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 5: a guy with his broken legs. That was making waters 270 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 5: because we have water machines. There were the back parts 271 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 5: of the seats. They ordering metal and you put the 272 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 5: snow and then drop by drop you would do the water. 273 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 5: And the guy tells me, I look at you, Roberto, 274 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 5: and I think that you must feel great. I feel 275 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 5: as bad as you do. Say no, no, no, I 276 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 5: have min both legs broken, and I'm a parasite and 277 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 5: rely on people like you. They would have the energy 278 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 5: and the legs to get out of here. And in 279 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 5: that moment, my mind completely switched. I came out from 280 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 5: being there in the comfort zone or whatever you want 281 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 5: to mention it, as an heroic person that could save 282 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 5: my friends. And I had the best legs for the team. 283 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 5: And he said, look at the map. We are lost here, 284 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 5: but to Chile the most seventy kilometers and seventy kilometers 285 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 5: one hundred thousand steps. We know that to the west 286 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 5: is Chile and the sunsets to the west. So if 287 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 5: you can walk out one hundred thousand steps, we will 288 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 5: be saved. And that for me was like a key decision. 289 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 5: Every step you're getting closer. I didn't want to die 290 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 5: in the fuselage because was full of the dead bodies 291 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 5: and people were being there, and was completely depressive to 292 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 5: die there. I wanted to die in the virgin snow, 293 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 5: so that was the way my brain got programmed. 294 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: So you almost accepted your fate one way or another 295 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 3: when you decided to take those hundred thousand steps. 296 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 5: Of course we were going to die. Have seen lots 297 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 5: of people dying. So we were taking challenges and climbing 298 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 5: mountains you cannot imagine. And when we were sliding on 299 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 5: the other side, we slided for two hundred three hundred 300 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 5: meters and the avalanches were around, and I thought, this 301 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 5: is the mensal. I want to go home, but home 302 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 5: was ahead. I couldn't go back. So there are lots 303 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 5: of ways your men, your mind gets programmed, that were 304 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 5: triggered at those mountains. 305 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 3: Ah, this is kind of a funny question. But in 306 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 3: the midst of all this, you know, two weeks, three 307 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 3: weeks and whenever, was there a moment when you looked 308 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: around and thought, man, this is really beautiful here. 309 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because as you know, when I was 310 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 5: thinking that we couldn't be in the worst moments of 311 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 5: our our lives, and that I was the most miserable 312 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 5: person an avalanche came into the plane. I was completely 313 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 5: stacked into the snow and I was dying, and a 314 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 5: person took me out of the avalanche. And we're three 315 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 5: days there, and the third day we were able to 316 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 5: come out, and was as a gorgeous with the blue 317 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 5: of the sky and the whiteness of the mountain, and 318 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 5: I thought, this is spectacular. Who can help me to 319 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 5: get out of here? Because the search had being called off? 320 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 5: And then I thought, but this was made by God. 321 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 5: It was by the creator. And I used to be 322 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 5: a friend of God, so I will ask my friend 323 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 5: to get out of here. So these are the kind 324 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 5: of things that happens when you're completely broken, and when 325 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 5: you're completely you don't have any faith in the future. 326 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 5: But those kind of things that happened, I think that 327 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 5: is a very good lesson for to know what to 328 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 5: do when you're playing crashes in life. Because people say 329 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,959 Speaker 5: they have problems, I don't think they have problems. They 330 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 5: have all obstacles in life. Problems are they that you 331 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 5: have lukemi and you will lie in two months? These 332 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 5: are real? They are problems or problems are when you're 333 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 5: stranded in the mountains and you see all your friends dying, 334 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 5: and when someone dies, you're not set for him, you're 335 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 5: set for you because you're the next guy on the queue. 336 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 5: So there is a kind of redistribution of ideas that 337 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 5: in the Society of the Snow that we made there 338 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 5: were made, and this is something I think it's worthy sharing. 339 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 5: I think that the film portrays them in a magnificent way. 340 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 5: It's a kind of film that you should go into 341 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 5: there and let yourself go into the film and go 342 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 5: with it. If you stay out out of it, you 343 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 5: will completely paralyze and see whom with the survivors would 344 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 5: you think that you were? I think it's an incredible experience. 345 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 5: And when the finishes, you're completely on shock. People ask 346 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 5: you how was the film? Say what? What? What? What happened? 347 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 5: Where are we? Where am I? You know? And this 348 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 5: I think is a very what an. 349 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: Amazing feeling though that what's such a such a such 350 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: an incredible story was that you feel as was represented 351 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: so well? 352 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 3: You know, did you write the book that the film 353 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: was made from? 354 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 5: No, they was done by a friend of mine from 355 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 5: the school part of ers and and and then Amy 356 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 5: the Society of the Snow and and Bajona that did 357 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 5: this film that he was He did The Impossible. The 358 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 5: Possible reason is that film that a family was split 359 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 5: in the tsunami in Thailand. 360 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 3: That, Yeahmi Watts another amazing, amazing movie. 361 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, Bacotta is an incredible film that when he 362 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 5: was doing the movie, he was looking for tragedy films 363 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 5: and he saw the Society of the Snow and he said, 364 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 5: I want to do this book. And in one of 365 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 5: all the chapters, I'm saying it was impossib to survive 366 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 5: a playing craash, it was impossible to survive an avalanche, 367 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 5: it was impossible to walk trek out of the mountains, 368 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 5: and that's the reason why it caused the film The Impossible. 369 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 5: So there, and it took him about ten years. He 370 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 5: had to do a. 371 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: Couple How did you feel about the Americans playing the role? 372 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 3: Did you care that it was in English? It was 373 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 3: all American accent. 374 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 5: There was a live The new film is completely in Spanish. 375 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 5: It's spoken in Uruguay and Spanish, not even in Argentinian Spanish. 376 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 5: So it's a kind of completely down to earth version, 377 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 5: and he goes very deep into the into the personality 378 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 5: of the different persons. I think that at the time 379 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 5: that Frank Marshall and Kathy Kennedy did Alive was an 380 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 5: incredible version of what happened in that moment. But now 381 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 5: this is a more in depth version, and I'm very 382 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 5: happy because there are lots of people around the world 383 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 5: that are waiting for the story. Because this is a 384 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 5: story that is in the families. You know, your grandma 385 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 5: knows about it, you heard about it, you saw the film, 386 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 5: and I think it's a very good story for the kids. 387 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 5: My grandson four years old comes around and tells me, Hey, Grandpa, 388 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 5: I want to climb mountains like you and safe my friends. 389 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 5: This is a good message of how to share things 390 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 5: in life. 391 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: Oh no, I know my kids have seen the other movie, 392 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 3: you know, years ago, Alive. You know, sixteen. I said, 393 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: we're interviewing ROBERTA, who is in the thing. He's like, 394 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 3: no way. I mean, he couldn't believe that I was 395 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: even talking going to be able to talk to you today, 396 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 3: So he's seen that version as well. But I do 397 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: love what you said, which is it's relatable. It's not 398 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: just a movie about sort of a plane crash and survival. 399 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 3: It's finding you know, the relatability within the characters. Who 400 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: are you? You know what I mean, which character are you? 401 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: How would you have reacted in that situation? You know? Yeah? 402 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: And also I also love what you're saying to your 403 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: brig about the sort of shift of ideas that what 404 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: happens when you're in a situation like that is that 405 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: everything you knew changes, that you don't really understand it 406 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: until you're sitting there and facing it. And if only 407 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: we had the wherewithal to unders to understand that moment, 408 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: would we all be living very differently? 409 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And live your life as if you had 410 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 3: just been in a plane. 411 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 5: Craft, more grateful, being more realistic, living life. I mean, 412 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 5: life is about eight hours of sleep, eight hours of work, 413 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 5: real work, not to complain about your problems at work, 414 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 5: and eight hours about personal growth. I mean, your grandparents 415 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 5: are going to die, go and visit them, your kids 416 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 5: are going to be five years old only once, and 417 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 5: we're realize we go chasing phantoms of life and vanity 418 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 5: plays a huge problem in yourself, but it is a 419 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 5: form of being and secure. I mean, I believe that 420 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 5: life is about sharing, is about helping helping someone. The 421 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 5: other way, I was speaking with the prisoners and jail, 422 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 5: and I asked him what is to be rich and 423 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 5: to be poor? Of course, to reach is to have money. No, 424 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 5: my friend, to be rich is to be able to 425 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 5: help someone, and to be poor is needing help, needing 426 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 5: someone to help you. So that's about it. And it's 427 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 5: lots more nicer to be helpful than to need help 428 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 5: and to be around needing. And so I think we 429 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 5: have to go on a different aspect of life and 430 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 5: a different way of living, and we're going to be 431 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 5: lots happier than we are nowadays, because we are already complaining. 432 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 5: The more we have, the more sad we are. There's 433 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 5: something something wrong happening there. 434 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 3: Do you think so? Obviously this situation completely changed the 435 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: trajectory of your life life as far as how you 436 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 3: think and feel about existing on this earth. But you 437 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: were still so young, you know what I mean. You 438 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: were nineteen, yet you were just nineteen. So it's interesting. 439 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 5: I guess when you were nineteen years old, you felt 440 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 5: that you were grown up. Seeing someone nineteen years old 441 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 5: being so young, it's a perspective of older people. So 442 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 5: I think nineteen years old, it's probably is what you're 443 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 5: meant to be for the rest of your life. 444 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 1: So we're actually true exactly. 445 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 3: But I guess reversing the question instead of saying, how 446 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: did it change your life? Who do you think you 447 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: would have been if you hadn't been through this experience? 448 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 3: You know? Do you ever think about that? Like obviously 449 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: changed you, it shifted you. Do you think you would 450 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: have been a different human? 451 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 5: Obviously a less important person? Because I say something and 452 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 5: people say whow and I say what everyone says, but 453 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 5: something very important is said that came out of the 454 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 5: end this to live my life. I didn't come rather 455 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 5: the understood, be famous. I didn't come to the unders 456 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 5: to talk to to had some brothers. Fifty years later, 457 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 5: I can, Robert. 458 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: So I want to know what it felt like like 459 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: that moment when you saw civilization, when you reached when 460 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: you realized that you actually reached safety. 461 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: What was that like for you? 462 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 5: That's a very good question, Kate. And let me tell 463 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 5: you when I saw the shepherd, the society of the 464 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 5: snow vanished in that moment, and I realized that I 465 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 5: was back. And I look at my rugby socks. They 466 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 5: were full of flesh and full of fat, and I thought, 467 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 5: this is over. I must bury these parts of my 468 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 5: friends because they are no longer food. They now belong 469 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 5: to someone that should be buried. So this possibility of 470 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 5: dominating your mind and reswitching your mind is something that 471 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 5: we must learn a lot and in every circumstance, how 472 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 5: we we should play the best the best role we 473 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 5: should have. And this is something we're not doing. We're 474 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 5: being pushed around by circumstances and not we are not 475 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 5: guiding our lives. Where ruling our lives life is lots 476 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 5: more fun than to be pushed around by drugs, by alcohol. 477 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 5: But what every. 478 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: So when you say your rugby socks, meaning you filled 479 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 3: your socks with food essentially, yeah. 480 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 5: And our friends used to to put into the rugby socks, Yeah, 481 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 5: the flesh and the fat that during when we're walking 482 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 5: through the snow, they were kept frozen. But as soon 483 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 5: as we crossed the line of life and death, that 484 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 5: for me is when we found the grass, and I 485 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 5: thought I was going to be alive. And I saw 486 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 5: on the other side of the grass a lizard that 487 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 5: was looking at me saying, what did you did? Where 488 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 5: are you guys? From command? And I thought were came 489 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 5: in from the ancient and the most primitive aspect of life, 490 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 5: of glaciers and snow and everything, and we're going back 491 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 5: into into the real world. And then slowly we found 492 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 5: a horseshoe, we found cows, but the man was missing. 493 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 5: And then when I saw the shepherd, I just said, 494 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 5: we have done it. Nando, I won't walk anymore. I 495 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 5: am into piece And I had also a colossal diarrhea 496 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 5: because I was chewing toothpaste that has magnesia milk. So 497 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 5: I don't know at that moment if I was completely weakened, 498 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 5: or that I had reached by my objective of seeing 499 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 5: a that great shepherd that helped us without knowing us. 500 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: Did you there? Did you? Was there letting go of sorts? 501 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 3: I mean, was there just a release? You know? Was 502 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 3: there emotion or was it just holy? We just we 503 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 3: did it. We accomplished our mission, so to speak. 504 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 5: Yes, I thought we accomplished our mission. And when I 505 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 5: see the helicopters going for my friends there, and I 506 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 5: believe that we came out walking on a very humble 507 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 5: and fragile situation, and ten years later we are sending 508 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 5: helicopters to rescue them. It's like a miracle. It's something 509 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 5: that still puts here tears into my eyes. That's seeing 510 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 5: how capable we are doing of great things in life 511 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 5: and how a so low profile life we are living ete. 512 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: And do you know how far you actually had to walk? 513 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: What did you say? Seventy kilometers? 514 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 5: Was that seventy kilometers? And of course when we went 515 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 5: to the top of the mountain and we thought there 516 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 5: was going to be a way down, it was not that, 517 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 5: darre It was very tortuous. We had to go southeast 518 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 5: and southwellt because when you make plans in life, most 519 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 5: of the problems they are not what you think they 520 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 5: are going to be. They come up with you. So 521 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 5: I think it's we should hack changes in life. People 522 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 5: are not realistic on doing that and try and not 523 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 5: think about success and failure. You just try your way 524 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 5: and success of failure is going to come out later on. 525 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: Because of this? 526 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: Did that make your sort of reintroduction after the seventy 527 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 1: seventy two days actually more more I guess easier or 528 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: simple then complicated, just because you had sort of faced 529 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: all of this and or was there a transition back 530 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: into the reality of just life life. 531 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 5: Well, when I was back, the club was illastated. We 532 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 5: had to rebuild the club. I had to visit the 533 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,239 Speaker 5: parents of my friends that were in two pieces, and 534 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 5: I thought I was so lucky that I had all 535 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 5: these chances of coming back, that I had a lot 536 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 5: of homework to do. We bought some houses for people 537 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 5: that had died in the playing crash, and the family 538 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 5: was left fine. So I had the feeling of reconstruction. 539 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 5: I felt that I had to go back and then 540 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 5: I have achieved what I wanted. I mean, there was 541 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 5: no time for psychologists or for thinking about it of 542 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 5: I mean, I felt very happy at those moments, and 543 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 5: very vividly that they said that the team wouldn't go 544 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 5: back to championship for five years, and at that year 545 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 5: we won the championship and one of the parents that 546 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 5: his son had died in the crash came around and 547 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 5: hanged me and say, my son has died, but you 548 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 5: are here. And I found this gratefulness of the soul 549 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 5: of these man that has lost his son, but he's 550 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 5: happy that I am and I'm alive, and I was 551 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 5: given life by the body of his son. That there 552 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 5: are people that have a mental that the dimensioned, that 553 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 5: are of greatness, that we don't see them around. And 554 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 5: then those are them the people that make a better 555 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 5: world for sure. 556 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 3: How soon after did you get on an airplane? 557 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 5: Well, we thought about coming back in train and not 558 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 5: timing on an airplane, but all the press was there 559 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 5: and they were pushing us, and we had the problem 560 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 5: about what we had eaten, and we had to tell 561 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 5: them all together, and I wanted to go back and 562 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 5: tell the people, the parents of my friends, what had happened. 563 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 5: So they just put us on an airplane in Chile. 564 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 5: And when I go into the airplane and I smell 565 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 5: the plastic of the plane was the same smell, and say, wow, 566 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 5: we're going to crash again. But I thought, Roberto, planes 567 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 5: don't crash, so you have very slim chances of crashing twice. 568 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 5: So we went back on that. 569 00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 3: Plane, and then from then you were okay. I mean 570 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,719 Speaker 3: you never had really much of a fear of flying 571 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: after that. 572 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 5: No, no, really, I'm not going to fall twice for sure. 573 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 3: And I tell you it's so true. So going back 574 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 3: to when you had to make the decision to sort 575 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 3: of consume a friend and actually eat flesh, you know 576 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: who made that decision? Was it a collective decision? And 577 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 3: you know how was what was the psychology behind that, 578 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 3: just pure survival. 579 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 5: As you begin to starve, your belt goes one hole 580 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 5: every day you have to build new hosts and you're 581 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 5: shrinking and there's nothing, nothing to eat, and then you 582 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 5: begin chewing the belts of and the shoes because they 583 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,719 Speaker 5: have leather. And then someone said, I'm thinking that we 584 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 5: should eat the dead bodies. And someone said that's crazy. 585 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 5: We're not going to do that. We're not cannibals. We 586 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 5: are going We're not going to go that down. And 587 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 5: in my mind, this is the good thing. I was there, 588 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 5: so I can tell you what happened. I don't know 589 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 5: if it was good or bad. But I thought, flash proteins, 590 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 5: fat lipids, we need Carboy drates. But I had studied 591 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 5: at in bio chemistry, at the crep cycle that you 592 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 5: can build glicogen or Carboy drates from proteins. So the 593 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 5: substride was okay. So or something we had to do. 594 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 5: And I thought, if I had died, I would be 595 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 5: very proud that my friends who used my body to survive, 596 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 5: that would be part of that. I mean, there was 597 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 5: nineteen seventy There wasn't any kind of transplants or any 598 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 5: kind of of this kind of survival techniques, but it 599 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 5: was quite very humiliating, but very simple. 600 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: Do you are you still in touch with how many survivors. 601 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: Were there sixtremely sixteen sixteen, and how many people were 602 00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: on the aircraft? 603 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 5: Five twenty nine survived, eight died in the avalanche and 604 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 5: sixteen major. We live in the same neighborhood. My sons 605 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 5: go to the school with a grand sons of guys 606 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 5: that had died in the mountains. We are a community. 607 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 5: I think it's very helpful to be a community in 608 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 5: order to overcome this kind of situations. 609 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 2: And do you connect with each other or do you 610 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 2: have like reunions? 611 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 3: And I was reading about that it keeps growing and 612 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 3: growing because there's grandkids, kids and grand kids, so great. Yeah. 613 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. The first twenty second of December was the day 614 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 5: we were out and the first celebration. We're thirty two 615 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 5: and now we're one hundred and eighty and we are 616 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 5: and the families of the ones that came also are 617 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 5: very close. And this film that was made on the 618 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 5: point of view of one that the guys that had died, 619 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 5: has united all all kind of differences between the ones 620 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 5: that survived and the ones that died, And. 621 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: What about your family, like when seeing your parents. 622 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: When you came when like what was that experience? 623 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 5: Like, Well, my father and the father of my girlfriend 624 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 5: used to organize search and to go and look for us. 625 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 5: And I told my girlfriend, some find someone else, but 626 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 5: you cannot tell your mother find someone else, because your 627 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 5: mother is loving me all the time. So I was 628 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 5: telling my mother, I'm alive, I'm alive, look for me, 629 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 5: and she was saying, I feel him alive. I know 630 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 5: that she will be back. And so my girlfriend would 631 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 5: go and visit my mother and she would go home 632 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 5: and say, Robert is alive. And the father would say, 633 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 5: this girl is crazy. She's nineteen years old. Her boyfriend 634 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 5: has been stranded in the mountain for two months. It's 635 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 5: impossible that he is alive. And one day my father 636 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 5: in law had to wake her and she was in 637 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 5: bed and understand and felt someone crying and telling him, 638 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 5: you are right, he's alive. I'm going to look for 639 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 5: him tomorrow. And she was very happy to see his 640 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 5: rugby player. When she came to me, I was into pieces. 641 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 5: My mother said, you look like an oldman. I had 642 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 5: lost like thirty kilograms. I was my lips were bleeding. 643 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 5: I was completely destroyed, and my mother by hand and 644 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 5: say I knew what you were back. Everything is over, Mama. 645 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 5: We had to hear that that people who cares you 646 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 5: are okay. I knew that you were coming back. 647 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 3: Wow. Other moments that you look, you look fondly upon 648 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 3: this experience, you know what I mean, Like the camaraderie 649 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 3: of being together, of survival and now that you're through it. 650 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 5: No, of course, this is a story about friendship. It's 651 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 5: a story about passion. It's a story about teamwork. It's 652 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 5: a story about out people's success. And it's a story 653 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 5: that is worthy of being sharing. And that's the reason 654 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 5: I think civilization nowadays that is so spoiled, needs more stories. 655 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 5: I mean, we are completely the people are going to 656 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 5: look this program having life more than what they need 657 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 5: and they do less what they can. If you water 658 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 5: to think, if a place to sleep, if there's something 659 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 5: to it, come on, guy, it's upon you. Don't wait 660 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 5: for you airplane to crash to realize how good you were. 661 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you really great to talk to you. 662 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, and hopefully we'll see you down 663 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: the road. 664 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 5: Absolutely, absolutely, I'm very fun of your films. I enjoyed 665 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 5: them very much. Keep on going. 666 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 3: Very much. All right, we'll see you soon. Oh my god, 667 00:38:53,640 --> 00:39:01,760 Speaker 3: Oh my god. That's nutt wow, like his perspective on everything, 668 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 3: you know, And I can't wait for everyone to hear this. 669 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: And I know it's a story that a lot of 670 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: people know because of the ninety three film. 671 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 3: Right. 672 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: What we just learned is there's a new film which 673 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 2: you didn't know. 674 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 3: No, I didn't. Yeah, sure, but it's it's I'm excited 675 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 3: to watch it. I'm gonna watch it tonight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 676 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 3: because I was fascinated with the film itself, like Alive 677 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 3: when it came out. 678 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: Well, and he was just so happy with this film 679 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: because it sounds like it's very honest. 680 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to watch it. 681 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: I think it's because we didn't realize that we're interviewing him, 682 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: because we were just so excited to interview, right, But 683 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: he's promoting, promoting this movie. I think that's what's happening, 684 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: and we had no idea. 685 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 3: Great, we're on top of our game. Anyway. It was 686 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 3: incredible to talk to him regardless, and I'm glad you 687 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 3: get to promote his show. 688 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: Had a great sense of humor. He Hudson Brothers hit 689 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 1: out on that, meaning like he must have I guess 690 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: he must be our dad's eight. 691 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 3: He reminded me of like Ellie, our therapist. Yeah, I 692 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 3: almost started to totally telling my deep dark secret. 693 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,479 Speaker 2: You're like about anxiety. 694 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 3: He's like, I don't know, just get in the plane crash. 695 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: And if our if our list readers, our listeners knew 696 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: about Ellie, he's he's he's literally looks and kind of 697 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: sounds just like I know. 698 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 3: And he also has this. 699 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:46,760 Speaker 1: Swagwag, the same thing I found my face actually turning 700 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: into what my face like kind of does when I'm 701 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: when I'm in my therapy session. He had such amazing wisdom. Yes, 702 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: I and you know you you you do. You realize 703 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: that so many people, so so many people who have 704 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: come in the face of death. He talks about finding 705 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: God or the introduction to the relationship of God, or 706 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: to your spiritually or to what motivates you to survive. 707 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,479 Speaker 1: It's very interesting, very cool that that is in those 708 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: moments like you and you asked such a good question 709 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 1: which I'm not going to ruin, but I loved that question. 710 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,399 Speaker 3: This is you can say, is this, yeah, because you're 711 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 3: speaking as if we've already talked to him. 712 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so this outro, I can say this, okay, so 713 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: so so. 714 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 2: No, but when you. 715 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,280 Speaker 1: Said, was there any moment where you looked and said, 716 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's so beautiful? Right, and and he 717 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 1: said yes, I mean, what a what an amazing I love. 718 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, when he came out of the avalanche, yeah, snow, snow, snow, bang, 719 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 3: and then it was beautiful. That's when. 720 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: And that's when, God, Yeah, that's when he was like, 721 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm either going. 722 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 2: To yeah, move and get out of this, or. 723 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to stay here die. And he's like, I'm 724 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 3: not going to die with a bunch of rotten corpses, essentially, yeah, 725 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 3: because I want to die fresh in the fresh, in 726 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 3: the fresh, powder in the pow pow. 727 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 2: I loved that. 728 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,240 Speaker 1: I hope everybody enjoyed that episode.