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Speaker 3: and welcome to Counterpoints. Emily. How you doing.

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Speaker 5: did an AMA with Sager. People were asking about the

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Speaker 5: Friday Show because of the election and everything.

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Speaker 5: We did not kind of fold it up because of

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Speaker 5: the travel, the convention's coming up in the election, We're

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Speaker 5: not going to do the exact same format where we have,

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Speaker 5: you know, those kind of long form debates for the.

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Speaker 3: Next we'll do a few of those.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then after the election, I think we'll go

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Speaker 5: back to that kind of format.

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Speaker 4: We're recalibrating based on the insane news cycle.

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Speaker 3: It's it's crazy. It won't love it. We love it,

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Speaker 3: though we love it.

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Speaker 4: We hope you love it. But it's just been insane.

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Speaker 4: Friday that is like a shelf life.

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Speaker 3: Is two days long, right, But you love to see it,

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Speaker 3: you really love to see it.

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Speaker 5: You love to see Yesterday I filled in for Crystal

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Speaker 5: on the day that Tim Wallas was announced as the Pick.

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Speaker 3: Saga seemed down.

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Speaker 5: The vibes are down from this side of the desk,

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Speaker 5: but so curious how how you respond to the kind

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Speaker 5: of the joyful Walls Pick where he's at once uniting

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Speaker 5: the country but uniting them behind bullying.

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Speaker 3: Jd Vance that's pretty funny.

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Speaker 4: I got you. Our our favorite friends at the Trotsky

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Speaker 4: World Socialist website sent a great headline this morning next

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Speaker 4: to a couple of other ones like got people right

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Speaker 4: wing you know panic about Tim Walls. They send out

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Speaker 4: from World Socialist website. Kamala Harris picks right wing governors.

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Speaker 3: That you love to see it for the trotsky Is.

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Speaker 3: It's a right wing party, so you love to see it.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna do.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 5: It's Corey Bush lost her election last night. We're going

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Speaker 5: to talk about that in a little bit. What else

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Speaker 4: We've got Corey Bush, We've got a panel, a really

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Speaker 4: good panel that's going.

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Speaker 3: To talk to you and Will Chamberlain going to debate

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Speaker 3: the Walls pick.

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Speaker 4: We're going to debate the Walls pick. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: about Corey Busch and Elon Musk is predicting a civil

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Speaker 3: Of civil wars, but he's.

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Speaker 4: Really predicting a civil war to the point where sometimes

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Speaker 4: your predictions get to skirt the line of materializing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So he's in a back and forth with Keir Starmer.

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Speaker 5: Yes, those riots continue unfold and basically anti immigrant riots

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, It's it's actually a fairly interesting story. So

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Speaker 4: we will get to that, but first let's start with

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Speaker 4: the news of the day. The news. Everybody's talking about

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Speaker 4: Tim Walls. Some people are still trying to figure out

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Speaker 4: who Tim Walls is. But we've had like a day

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Speaker 5: He's, you know, like you said, social studies teacher, military

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Speaker 5: make him in a labor how about a sergeant major, boom,

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Speaker 5: sergeant major, give him an injury that he overcomes through

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Speaker 3: Uh, make him a dog lover.

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Speaker 5: How about a cat lover to throw that in two

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Speaker 5: And then as and and as a you know, driving

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Speaker 5: you know, Democrats couldn't kind of have a better mascot

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's an interesting combination. We'll talk more about it.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure this again, there's just a lot to say

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Speaker 8: I guess as that Tim Walls will be ready on

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Speaker 8: day one.

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Speaker 4: In fact, in fact.

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Speaker 8: When you compare his resume, said Trump's running mate.

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Speaker 8: Might say it's like it's like a matchup between the

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Speaker 9: JD Vance literally literally wrote the foreword for the Architect

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Speaker 9: of the Project twenty twenty five agenda. Like all regular

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Speaker 9: people I grew up with in the heartland. JD studied

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Speaker 9: and then wrote a bestseller trashing that community.

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Speaker 3: Come on, that's not what Middle America is.

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Speaker 9: And I gotta tell you, I can't wait to debate

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Speaker 6: To get off the couch and show up. So you

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Speaker 6: see what I did.

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Speaker 4: There's sort of like he's being played by Chris Farley.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's Tim.

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Speaker 4: It's like a cross between Chris Farley and Rob Ford. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: when he says, see what I did there and then

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Speaker 5: The camera, and you know what, Rob Ford and Chris

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Speaker 5: Farley having common people love him.

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Speaker 3: That's true. No, that's not the only thing that's true.

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Speaker 4: So we also have so that That was Tim Moll's

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Speaker 4: comment Harris obviously in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 3: Well before they oda Shapiro. Yeah, let's talk.

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Speaker 5: I'm curious for what your initial reaction was because the

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Speaker 5: very end, everybody watching this show is probably actually, I

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Speaker 5: don't know, we have a very broad cross section of

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Speaker 3: I was about to say that.

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Speaker 5: Everybody watching this show is online enough that they got

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Speaker 3: Yea, I think that's true.

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Speaker 5: If you didn't go in the comments section, I'm curious

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Speaker 5: and tell me if you didn't. It's funny to even

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Speaker 3: But it's an.

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Speaker 5: Online meme's it's a way that the left has kind

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Speaker 5: of been bullying jd Vance and he went there, but

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Speaker 5: he did it with a big midwestern Minnesota and ice

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Speaker 5: that's not Minnesota and ice. It's like, no, that is

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Speaker 5: Midwestern nice more. But there's a there's a there's a

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about that. I feel like there's a

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Speaker 3: It's pretty genuine. But yeah, yeah, bless your heart.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but it's a way of saying f you, right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Some people were just like, this is a really bad sign, right,

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Speaker 4: this is a unity ticket that is now you know,

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Speaker 4: making couch jokes at JD Vance and you know, while

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Speaker 4: You know, a lot of people were like this was

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Speaker 4: the perfect note. They hit all the perfect notes, and

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Speaker 3: It's just a meme. It's just a meme.

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Speaker 4: It's a dumb meme. I don't even think it's a

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Speaker 3: But it's just a meme. It's a fault because the

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Speaker 3: AP did it. Is they strisanded it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the AP did a fact check that you can find,

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Speaker 5: and then people and then retracted their fact check, which

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Speaker 3: Check, we might not be where we are today. Yet, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we are right now.

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Speaker 4: They were in Philadelphia, and everyone thought that meant it

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Speaker 4: was going to be jos Shapiro. And now, of course

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Speaker 4: Joshapiro didn't want the job. He did not want the job,

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Speaker 4: it must be said. He was really on the fence

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Speaker 4: about whether he should leave his very critical role with

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Speaker 4: Pensylvania Vania governor. And I joke about that because it

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Speaker 4: soon as he realized the writing was on the wall,

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Speaker 4: started signaling counter signaling, maybe I don't want the job

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Speaker 4: now in Philadelphia. Of course, even though you're not picking Joshapiro,

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Speaker 4: you still kind of have to have Jos Shapiro speak

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Speaker 4: otherwise it's weird. So here is Jos Shapiro doing his

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Speaker 4: best Obama impression. And if you're listening to this, you

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Speaker 4: should also note that he is not wearing a tie.

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Speaker 5: And he's been pressed about this, Shapiro has and he said, look, yet,

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Speaker 5: Yes, And apparently when when coach was asked, when Coach

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Speaker 5: Now, the football coach life expectancy is like sixties.

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Speaker 4: So morning, Joe, I think, reflected the sentiments yesterday that

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Speaker 11: For Walls, Well, exactly, candidate has to make the decisions herself.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about how the decision not made, the road

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Speaker 5: Can I make one point, and I don't want to

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Speaker 5: But then also, you know the kind of left cable

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Speaker 5: And so I think the Harris campaign was like, you know,

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Speaker 5: So I think they actually cost Shapiro far more than

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Speaker 5: And then with none of the people who are concerned

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Speaker 4: And this is another thing I accidentally skipped over this element.

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Speaker 4: So why would you go with this goofy social studies

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Speaker 4: We saw Shapiro's an Obama impression. Let's watch Tim Wallas

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Speaker 12: Hi.

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Speaker 4: This is Tim, It's Kamala Harris. Good morning, Governor, Good morning,

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Speaker 13: Listen, I want you to do this with me. Let's

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Speaker 9: I would be honored, Madam Vice President, the joy that

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Speaker 13: Well, let me tell you I have just the most

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Speaker 13: You understand our country. You have dedicated yourself to our

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Speaker 12: And we're going to do this.

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Speaker 13: We're gonna win, and we're going to unify our country

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Speaker 6: Okay, let's do it, do the work in front of us.

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Speaker 3: Let's win this thing.

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Speaker 4: That's right, all right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know when we decided that we needed to

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Speaker 4: It's probably over text, but you can see how the

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Speaker 4: phoniness of Josh Shapiro, who is very much like I

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Speaker 4: don't mean this ideologically, but has the sort of Gavin Newsome.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretending to be really good at talking to people,

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Speaker 4: and I'm really good at pretending to be good at

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Speaker 4: talking to people, so it's almost convincing that I'm good

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Speaker 4: at talking to people. Type vibes truxtupposed with whatever we

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Speaker 4: think about Tim Wallas, and we're going to get into

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Speaker 4: that in a second. I'm sure we disagree on a

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Speaker 4: lot of things about him, but he comes across as

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Speaker 4: a much more normal human being, and so I don't

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Speaker 4: know that that premise, which is that only anti Semitism

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Speaker 4: or anti Israel cynicism would motivate Harris to pick Walls.

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Speaker 3: I don't even think that premise is.

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Speaker 5: Correct, right and right, because progressives got the idea that wait,

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Speaker 5: it's actually possible they might pick Waltz, and so once

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Speaker 5: that was clear, I think that also ratcheted up the

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Speaker 5: attacks on Shapiro because you're it's a zero sum contest

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Speaker 5: at that point. It becomes between these Walls and Shapiro.

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Speaker 5: You've got to take out Shapiro if you want your

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Speaker 5: gott to elevate.

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Speaker 3: Right right.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, the whole question of Antie Simmonsons around that I

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Speaker 5: think is more complicated than it's being made out to be.

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Speaker 3: We can save that for another time though.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, we'll talk about that in the Goop block

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Speaker 4: because we have a clip of Ben Shapiro that I

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Speaker 4: think will open up part of that conversation because he

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Speaker 4: addresses it in and he addressed it on his show

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Speaker 4: yesterday as well. Now, if we put a seven up

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Speaker 4: on the screen, this is a shout out to Kyle.

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Speaker 4: He compiled a list, and you know there were a

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Speaker 4: lot of lists bouncing around actually, because the LFG mentality

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Speaker 4: of the Minnesota DFL folks, led by Tim Walls, has

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Speaker 4: actually been an LFG agenda, that's the let's f and

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Speaker 4: go agenda, which Ryan, you've followed very closely and you

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Speaker 4: can tell us more about. But it has resulted in

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Speaker 4: this insane list of bills and actions that Tim Walls

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Speaker 4: has signed or spearheaded just in the last couple of

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Speaker 4: years in Minnesota, and it's a very interesting collection of

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Speaker 4: both cultural progressivism and economic populism that has left right appeal.

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Speaker 4: So Rabamari wrote a piece in Compact immediately after Walls

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Speaker 4: was nominated or was picked yesterday saying that Republicans can

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Speaker 4: learn a lot from the economic populism of Tim Walls

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Speaker 4: and supporting a lot of Tim Walls's sort of economic agenda.

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Speaker 4: So that said, tell us Ryan a little bit about

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Speaker 4: what the Minnesota DFL folks have been doing under Walls,

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Speaker 4: because the reason he started to, I think rise to

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Speaker 4: the top of the surface of the candidates is people

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Speaker 4: looked at it and realized, holy smokes, yeah, what they've

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Speaker 4: been doing in Minnesota is extremely impressive.

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Speaker 5: I wonder if he rose in spite of that, because

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Speaker 5: this is the kind of thing that would actually scare

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Speaker 5: I think national Democrats, but calmed down. Yeah, Emily and

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Speaker 5: I had talked months ago about doing a story about

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Speaker 5: how several years ago Minnesota and Iowa are both swing states,

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Speaker 5: both purple states, and to some degree Minnesota still is.

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Speaker 5: In the twenty eighteen election, Minnesota went blue by just

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Speaker 5: like a handful of votes and a trifecta as well

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Speaker 5: walls as governor. Democrats took control of both houses. I

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Speaker 5: think they took the House by like one seat. And

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Speaker 5: you know, these these house races are decided by hundreds

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Speaker 5: of votes, sometimes just dozens of votes. And on the

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Speaker 5: other side of the border in Iowa, a state that

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Speaker 5: had you know, recently had democratic governors, senators, etc.

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Speaker 3: And would you know I did Obama win Iowa. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 5: That state went republican Republican trifecta, and they pushed through

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Speaker 5: as aggressive a conservative agenda as they possibly could. But

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Speaker 5: it's it's it's the kind of mirror version of Minnesota

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Speaker 5: in the sense that it's very pro business, not the

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Speaker 5: kind of vancy and Trumpian national populism economics. And then

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Speaker 5: it was the you know, extremely conservative social stuff as well,

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Speaker 5: and just across the border with just a few thousand votes,

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Speaker 5: pushing the state blue. They pushed through and we can

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Speaker 5: put if we could put up this Kyle tweet again.

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Speaker 3: As he runs it down, universal free school meals.

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Speaker 5: That's why you see the uh, that's why you see

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Speaker 5: that picture of the kids hugging him, legal weed, carbon

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Speaker 5: free electricity by twenty forty, tax rebates for the working

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Speaker 5: class up to thirteen hundred dollars, twelve weeks paid family leave,

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Speaker 5: twelve weeks paid sick leave, and then he so then

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Speaker 5: he banned conversion theories and pro trans stuff, twelve weeks

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Speaker 5: read gun and then he did gun stuff. Free public

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Speaker 5: college for people making under eighty thousand dollars. Think like

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Speaker 5: to me, like the ban on and forever chemicals is

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Speaker 5: that's that's hard to get like political power behind because

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Speaker 5: there's everybody supports it, but there's nobody pushing for it.

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Speaker 4: Minnesota is a big people don't realize it is a

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Speaker 4: big business state as well. Huge Minneapolis is a huge

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Speaker 4: business hub. There are a lot of very corporate.

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Speaker 5: Interests, corporations and warehouses, and increase in k through twelve

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Speaker 5: funding and then a bunch of pro union stuff as well, uh,

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Speaker 5: and there was a he vetoed a gig worker reform

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Speaker 5: bill and then in staid he would compromise, come back

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Speaker 5: with a compromised version because Uber and Lift and threaten

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Speaker 5: to leave if it passed. And he did come back

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Speaker 5: with a compromise version. So all of Normally, when a

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Speaker 5: Democrat wins by a couple dozen votes, they reach across

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Speaker 5: the aisle they say, you know, we can't, we can't

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Speaker 5: govern as if we won a huge mandate, we have

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Speaker 5: to you know, tread lightly here and basically be a

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Speaker 5: center right party. They said, no, we believe our agenda

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Speaker 5: is popular, believe that Republican agenda is unpopular.

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Speaker 3: We're going to push ours through and we're going to

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Speaker 3: run on that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's like they basically haven't done that anywhere

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Speaker 5: except maybe New York after all those DSA people took

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Speaker 5: over the legislature.

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Speaker 4: But even so, it's a completely different thing, and this

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Speaker 4: is one of them.

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Speaker 3: Doing in Minnesota is different than doing in New York.

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Speaker 4: It's a conversation. Actually that's been very popular with the

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Speaker 4: Jdvance types on the right because there's this I go

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Speaker 4: back to this a lot. Ronald Reagan gave this famous

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Speaker 4: speech where he talked about painting with not with pale pastors,

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Speaker 4: but with bold colors. Bold colors, not pale pastals. And

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Speaker 4: it's sort of a famous saying, but people now associate

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Speaker 4: Reagan with squishy sort of neoliberalism, when in fact, the

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Speaker 4: Reagan Revolution was very much a revolution. It was a

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Speaker 4: war against the Centrists and the Republican Party that had

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Speaker 4: you know, it was people hated Ronald Reagan and the

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Speaker 4: Republican Party in DC. And his theory of the case

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Speaker 4: was always that if you are an ideological conservative, you

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Speaker 4: will be politically benefited by not trying to hide that

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Speaker 4: so you can talk about it ideologically. Whether it's more

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Speaker 4: honest and moral to go about that, but his theory

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Speaker 4: was that it's more politically beneficial to just be honest

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Speaker 4: about if you have bold beliefs. It's sort of the

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Speaker 4: Barry Goldwater and Reagan was a Goldwater supporter. When he

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Speaker 4: says extremism and defensive liberty is no vice, that is

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Speaker 4: the theory, and I think that is true in many cases. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: your elections, you know who your opponent is, all of

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Speaker 4: those things depend. But Tim Walls is a version of

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Speaker 4: that on the left, which is I believe these things,

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Speaker 4: and I'm going to make Minnesota a trans refuge, as

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Speaker 4: it was dubbed by the AP. Now, I think those

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Speaker 4: policies that he's pushed through as they relate to children

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Speaker 4: are awful and will not be well sold on the

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Speaker 4: national stage. They will be a problem from the national stage.

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Speaker 4: But I respect the hell out of him for being

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Speaker 4: honest about the fact that he is a cultural progressive

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Speaker 4: in a rural state that in northern Minnesota. Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: did a rally in Duloof. I mean, that is crazy

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Speaker 4: for Republicans to do rallies and draw thousands of people

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Speaker 4: in a place like Duluth. It's just that it is

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Speaker 4: a changing state, and I think Tim Watz is putting

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Speaker 4: that theory to the test and Democrats for people like you, Ryan,

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Speaker 4: who probably come down on that same theory of the

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Speaker 4: case that I believe in and that I would hope

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Speaker 4: that Republicans would follow. On the left, it's sort of

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Speaker 4: like a validation. It's saying like, look, this guy is

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Speaker 4: doing the damn thing right, we can do it too,

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Speaker 4: Like you don't have to pretend that you are just

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Speaker 4: like mister Joe Biden, who just gets along straightened. Joe

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Speaker 4: gets along with everybody and you know, doesn't have any

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Speaker 4: controversial ideas. You can say that you believe something that's unpopular.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I think the same way that Republicans had a

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Speaker 5: hard time painting Joe Biden as a far lefty.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to struggle with Tim Walls and

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Speaker 3: it's identitary.

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Speaker 5: It's like sanitarianism, and it's but it's working in democrats

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Speaker 5: favor because you're like, oh, this like old white guy,

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Speaker 5: can't be a bad can be a flaming radical communist.

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Speaker 5: Just like the effort to paint Joe Biden as that,

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Speaker 5: And I know it like really frustrated Republicans that he

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Speaker 5: could be basically lined up with Bernie Sanders on a

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Speaker 5: lot of his domestic agenda while that he was getting

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Speaker 5: through and it just it just wasn't landing on him

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Speaker 5: because he's Scranton Joe whatever. And I think we'll see

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Speaker 5: because Joe Biden had been in the public eye for

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Speaker 5: fifty years and maybe that matters in a significant way

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Speaker 5: more so than just his identity.

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Speaker 3: It's like a normal looking white guy.

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Speaker 5: But we're going to find out because they went and

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Speaker 5: found this normal looking white guy and Republicans are already

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Speaker 5: saying he's the most radical nut job ever. We'll talk

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Speaker 5: about this in the next block, most radical nut job

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Speaker 5: ever to walk the face of the earth. Like, we'll

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Speaker 5: see if that works or not.

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Speaker 4: And if people like you, so, if you're just a

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Speaker 4: generally likable person, that's the same thing with Reagan. Reagan

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Speaker 4: did have ideas that were unpopular and out of step

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Speaker 4: with a lot of yeah, smiling, right, no, but that's

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Speaker 4: exactly right. And so with Tim Walls, you can call

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Speaker 4: him radical. And I think on certain cultural issues he

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Speaker 4: is radical, and he would I mean people on the

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Speaker 4: left would say, like, these are radical populist economic policies.

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Speaker 4: You know, he probably wouldn't embrace that label. But just

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Speaker 4: last week he was saying one persons socialism is another

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Speaker 4: person's neighborliness. Like he hasn't sprinted in the opposite direction

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Speaker 4: from any of this. Now, the electoral implications are fascinating, though,

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Speaker 4: because all this depends on the coalition that you can

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Speaker 4: put together. And Sager made a really good point about

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Speaker 4: this on Twitter X yesterday book on Twitter. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: refuse to think of it as as X. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: Sager said, his job is not to activate blue collar voters.

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Speaker 4: In reference to Waltz, he said, it's to activate affluent

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Speaker 4: white suburban liberals who like feeling he could appeal to

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Speaker 4: blue collar voters, and Sager then clarified he didn't mean

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Speaker 4: that in a bad way.

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Speaker 3: He meant that.

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Speaker 4: It was like, this is a successful pick. Who is

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Speaker 4: They have said this is the goal, and it's not

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Speaker 4: a dumb goal, and he's someone who can accomplish it.

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Speaker 4: But let's watch the Steve Karnaki clip explaining how Walls

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Speaker 4: did in different parts of Minnesota, because Minnesota is one

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Speaker 4: of those states is very much coming apart right now,

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Speaker 4: to borrow the famous phrase, between Minneapolis and some of

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Speaker 4: those rural, especially northern parts. So here's Karnaki on how

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Speaker 4: Walls is performed in different parts of the state.

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Speaker 14: Now here's the key, because this county Democrats used to

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Speaker 14: be much more competitive in Look at this. In twenty twelve,

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Speaker 14: Barack Obama won forty three percent of the vote in

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Speaker 14: this county. It was only a little bit more than

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Speaker 14: ten points that he lost to Romney.

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Speaker 6: By here.

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Speaker 14: The floor fell out for Democrats here when Trump came

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Speaker 14: along in that Clinton race in twenty sixteen and they

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Speaker 14: haven't recovered it since. In that Walls performance here, it's

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Speaker 14: a little less than Biden's number, it's more than Clinton's,

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Speaker 14: and it's a far cry from what Obama was doing.

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Speaker 14: And again I'm showing you one. This is a stand

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Speaker 14: in for dozens of counties in Minnesota where you saw

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Speaker 14: the same thing with large rural populations, blue collar white populations,

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Speaker 14: where Obama and some of them he was winning. Others

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Speaker 14: he was holding his own just a dozen years ago.

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Speaker 14: This is where Democrats have lost grounds, and Walls in

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty two he didn't gain any grounds that the

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Speaker 14: Democrats had lost.

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Speaker 3: He didn't do that here, he didn't do that in

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Speaker 3: no other counties.

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Speaker 6: Walls really owes his.

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Speaker 14: Victory, that big margin, that margin he got eight points

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Speaker 14: their statewide. He owes it to the Twin Cities area here,

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Speaker 14: the area where Democrats in Minnesota and all these other

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Speaker 14: states are already doing well. You know, look at his

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Speaker 14: electoral history Tim Walls is in twenty twenty two, and

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Speaker 14: the idea that he's got this automatic appeal with these

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Speaker 14: small town areas in those three key battleground states, you

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Speaker 14: don't see it in what he actually did on the

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Speaker 14: ballot in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: So all that is to say, belt white pundits should

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Speaker 4: be very very careful to assume that Walls being the

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Speaker 4: governor of Minnesota means that he is reflexibly or categorically

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Speaker 4: popular and easily sold and packaged throughout the rural Midwest,

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Speaker 4: because his own electoral victory was heavily dependent on the

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Speaker 4: most urban part of his state, which is Minneapolis, which

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Speaker 4: is also.

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Speaker 3: A booming metropolis.

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Speaker 4: So that is a very very important, I think, piece

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Speaker 4: of nuance in the big Tim Wall story.

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Speaker 5: The only amendment I would have to that is that

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Speaker 5: if Democrats can maintain Biden's share of the rural white

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Speaker 5: vote basically white working class vote has brought more broadly,

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Speaker 5: then they will win. And so that's the only that's

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Speaker 5: the only caution on that on those stats is that Biden,

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Speaker 5: you know, did better than Hillary Clinton, and that and

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Speaker 5: that with Walls, you know, sticking close to Biden.

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Speaker 3: That's rather than that. You could look at that two ways.

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Speaker 5: One it would be like, oh, wow, he didn't outrun

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Speaker 5: the national tickets, so therefore he doesn't actually appeal that well.

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Speaker 5: But you could also say, well, Joe Biden actually outran

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Speaker 5: the kind of normal Democrat that would have how a

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Speaker 5: normal Democrat would have performed.

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Speaker 3: Biden did better.

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Speaker 5: Just because of his whole stick and also stuck with

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Speaker 5: Biden in that direction. But nobody should be fooled and

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Speaker 5: think that because he's got there's like a Harris Walls

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Speaker 5: camo at, that they're going to win Royal America, or

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Speaker 5: that they're going to even do that much better than

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Speaker 5: an average Democrat because it's still Harris and Walls. But

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Speaker 5: but I don't know, Yeah, it's a do no harm thing.

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Speaker 5: He's not he's not hated in rural America in the

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Speaker 5: way that kind of Hillary Clinton was so.

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Speaker 4: And that Kamala Harris may come to be by the way.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh well yeah, if she wins, it's going to

718
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Speaker 5: be an interesting four years, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Will stick around for that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was in like rural Pennsylvania a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 4: and the amount of like F Joe Biden's signs were

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Speaker 4: surprising even to me, just like on total dirt back

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Speaker 4: roads with bolt holes in them.

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Speaker 3: Just f Joe by Oh yeah, what's wild.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not a lot of love for Democrats in a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of those places. My uncle in Cookstown, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 5: We kept arguing with this guy who had a sign

729
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Speaker 5: right at the front of town that said f Joe Biden.

730
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Speaker 5: He's like, this makes us what you think whatever you

731
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Speaker 5: want about Joe Biden. Can you have a like I

732
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Speaker 5: don't like Joe Biden, I like I like Trump, rude

733
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Speaker 5: Joe Biden, like anything like this makes us look so trashy,

734
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Speaker 5: Like do you have any pride in this town?

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Speaker 3: Come on? No answer is no.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the answer the answer was actually probably hell no.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on to Republican reactions to the Walls pick,

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Speaker 4: because there's a lot of interesting stuff to talk about

739
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Speaker 4: in terms of how Republicans sort of decided to navigate.

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Speaker 3: You have this this virural.

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Speaker 4: Hunter, you have the Shapiro being passed up, and now

742
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Speaker 4: there's reporting suggesting that Team Trump was intentionally coordinating to

743
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Speaker 4: take down Shapiro as the pick governor, right, and they

744
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Speaker 4: were sort of celebrating that the pick wasn't Shapiro and

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Speaker 4: was instead Walls because they see Wallas a sort of

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Speaker 4: weak and easy to attack and easier now to sort

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Speaker 4: of staple his resume to Kamala Harris. So this is

748
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Speaker 4: from Fox News right away yesterday after the pick was announced.

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Speaker 15: Well, facts still matter, so let's look back at his record.

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Speaker 15: Walts's first executive order as governor was to create a Diversity,

751
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Speaker 15: Equity and Inclusion Council. He also supported open borders.

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Speaker 3: He talks about this wall. I always say, let me

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Speaker 3: know how hig it is.

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Speaker 9: If it's twenty five feet, then I'll invest in the

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Speaker 9: thirty foot ladder factory.

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Speaker 3: And he pushed social don't ever shy away from mark

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Speaker 3: progressive values.

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Speaker 9: One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness.

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Speaker 3: Just do the day on work.

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Speaker 15: Oh wait, and there's more. He signed an executive order

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Speaker 15: protecting gender affirming care or surgeries for miners in his state.

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Speaker 15: And in twenty twenty, he was the governor of Minnesota

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Speaker 15: during the George Floyd riots that burned part of Minneapolis

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Speaker 15: to the ground. It was so bad that Waltz himself

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Speaker 15: called out his own response.

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Speaker 9: I got a call from a friend and a dedicated

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Speaker 9: public servant, Senator torres Rey called in her district and

768
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Speaker 9: it was on fire, and there weren't any police there.

769
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Speaker 9: There weren't any firefighters, there was no social control, and

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Speaker 9: her constituents were locked in their house wondering what.

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Speaker 3: They were going to do.

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Speaker 9: That is an abject failure that cannot happen if the

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Speaker 9: issue was is that the state should have moved faster.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that is on me. All right.

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Speaker 5: So they're at the throwing everything against the wall fase,

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Speaker 5: what do you think would stick there?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean go to a bar in like outside

778
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Speaker 4: du Luth and say you want to invest in a

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Speaker 4: ladder factory to help people get over a border wall.

780
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Speaker 4: See how that goes? Tim Walls.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's a.

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Speaker 5: Serious I think he's telling a joke that the wall

783
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Speaker 5: is a joke because people can easily find ways around it,

784
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Speaker 5: and you could you could talk, You could say, hey, look,

785
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Speaker 5: the United Kingdom is having a massive immigration problem. They

786
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Speaker 5: have a giant ocean around their country.

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Speaker 3: Oh can't figure it out? I don't, Yeah, vote the wall.

788
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Speaker 3: They have a huge moat and a channel.

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Speaker 4: We can continue going on his immigration policies. Defending them

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Speaker 4: in that proverble bar or that hypothetical bar outside the

791
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Speaker 4: Luth would be hard. Whether it's driver's licenses, healthcare assistants,

792
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Speaker 4: that's a really hard argument to make now. So to

793
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Speaker 4: make that point, I think there is those lines of attack.

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Speaker 4: I don't think vice presidents matter that much. I could

795
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Speaker 4: see on the margins. Same way. On the margins, I

796
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Speaker 4: could see you know, stapling jd Vance's you know, all

797
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Speaker 4: his his public comments and stuff to Trump could be

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Speaker 4: painful for them in the suburbs, especially with like affluent

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Speaker 4: women who look at them and only creeped out by

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Speaker 4: jd Vance saying different things. I could also see on

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Speaker 4: the margins people being concerned that Waltz has said things

802
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Speaker 4: like one person's socialism is another person's neighborliness, which.

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Speaker 3: See that was on the White Dudes. It was on

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Speaker 3: the White.

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Speaker 4: Dudes for Harris called, which by the way, is not

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Speaker 4: like that's a conversation that we could all have here.

807
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Speaker 4: But when your governor freaks people out, and so I

808
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Speaker 4: commend him for being honest about it.

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Speaker 5: Is politically a way of saying it one personal another

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Speaker 5: person's neighborliness.

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Speaker 3: I think it is. But we're all in this together.

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Speaker 5: We're all in this for our neighbors, unless their neighbors

813
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Speaker 5: are as long as our neighbors aren't bothering us, will

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Speaker 5: leave them alone.

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Speaker 3: One hundred you know as well they need help, will

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Speaker 3: help them out.

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Speaker 5: If they're not bothering us, they're not going to criticize

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Speaker 5: them agree completely.

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Speaker 4: The label pulls so poorly that Republicans just a couple

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Speaker 4: of years ago during the dun primary, we're salivating over

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Speaker 4: the idea of a Bernie Sanders candidacy because they were

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Speaker 4: just pulling the word socialism in the suburbs.

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Speaker 3: And if that's why he's rebranding it to neighborliness.

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Speaker 4: Right, but he said it in a way that makes

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Speaker 4: it they can run that as an ad. I'm just saying, like,

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Speaker 4: I don't think.

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Speaker 5: It's as an ad.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's a.

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Speaker 3: Please, it's a please. Run that as an ad.

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Speaker 4: It's I think it's Politically it would be I think

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Speaker 4: it would be wrong to say politically that does not

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Speaker 4: add some vulnerabilities to the ticket. And now I don't

833
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Speaker 4: think those are huge vulnerabilities. I do think they are vulnerabilities.

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Speaker 4: I also think that his trans policies, in particular, because

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Speaker 4: they were so specifically related to children, will be a

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Speaker 4: problem on the campaign trail because the mood in the

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Speaker 4: country has shifted on those issues significantly. So if Kamala

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Speaker 4: Harris is asked to defend that over and over again,

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Speaker 4: that will be tough for her.

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Speaker 5: It's also at every VP can it was going to

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Speaker 5: have some problems when Mark Kelly, his big problem was

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Speaker 5: he was lousy on labor.

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Speaker 3: And you know, at the.

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Speaker 5: Intercept back when, back when he used to be at

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Speaker 5: the Intercept, we're just trying to help Democrats out and

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Speaker 5: we hammered Mark Kelly multiple times for refusing to sponsor

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Speaker 5: the pro Act of Major Labor Reform.

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Speaker 3: Uh and he didn't take our advice, didn't do it.

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Speaker 5: And sorry, buddy, next time, listen to us, and maybe

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Speaker 5: you'd be VP right now. Instead, you had Sean Fain

851
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Speaker 5: out there saying that, you know, the one he really liked,

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Speaker 5: The two he really liked actually were Basher and Walls

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Speaker 5: and the U a W the most kind of resurgent

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Speaker 5: labor union in the country right now.

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Speaker 3: I think that really helped him and hurt Mark Kelly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now on the on the on the point about the

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Speaker 5: trans politics hurting Walls, I this is where the weird

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Speaker 5: thing comes in because e and when so when you

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Speaker 5: pull that question, then in general Americans are against like

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Speaker 5: the surgeries for minors in general like it, but it's

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Speaker 5: very complicated. If you call it gender affirming, it's But overall,

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Speaker 5: I think people don't like that Republicans are making them

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Speaker 5: think about it, and Republicans are the ones they're tagged

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Speaker 5: with the weirdness for.

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Speaker 4: Bringing it up.

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Speaker 5: Like there was a tweet that I saw circulating yesterday

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Speaker 5: where it's a liberal is saying like good luck, you know,

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Speaker 5: painting this guy is a comedy and showing him like

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Speaker 5: hunting with his like hunting dog.

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Speaker 3: And I think with Stephen.

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Speaker 5: Miller, Yeah, Steven Miller says he puts tampons in the

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Speaker 5: boys room in high school, and it's like, okay, you're

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Speaker 5: why are you.

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Speaker 4: A grown man talking about tampon's.

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Speaker 5: Stephen Miller is the one making me think about this,

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Speaker 5: Like come on, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know, I see both sides of that one, because I

879
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Speaker 4: do think it's like if you guys are selling this

880
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 4: dude in a cameo hat, who's who's hunting? You know,

881
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Speaker 4: just like a lot of my family as just your

882
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 4: your average Minnesota And he did sign the bill that

883
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Speaker 4: you know, mandated tampons in men's rooms.

884
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Speaker 3: But my thinking on but you're saying that.

885
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Speaker 4: When Republicans talk about children's tampons and also think about it,

886
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Speaker 4: and you're like, shut up.

887
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 5: Right exactly and also because like when I think about

888
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Speaker 5: it's like, Okay, should tampons be in the boys room

889
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Speaker 5: in middle school or high school? It's like, if they are,

890
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Speaker 5: it's probably because some student like found that helpful to them,

891
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Speaker 5: and I don't care, like put them, put them wherever.

892
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Speaker 3: And also like the pro tip bring.

893
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Speaker 5: Your own paths or tampons to school, like don't don't

894
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Speaker 5: count on the school to have them in the bathroom.

895
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Speaker 3: They're like when you need them, they're not going to

896
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Speaker 3: be there.

897
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Speaker 4: So why did right Field the need to dispense this advice?

898
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 5: Because if somebody's watching this program and they're like, oh,

899
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Speaker 5: I can just go to the bathroom either one, it

900
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Speaker 5: is why people.

901
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Speaker 4: Watch the show though. For the health advice from.

902
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Speaker 3: Ryan Grimm, yes exactly. This is what mean for people.

903
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Speaker 5: Don't you agree you wouldn't count on like school having

904
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Speaker 5: pats or tampons.

905
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Speaker 4: There are a lot of things I would just generally

906
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Speaker 4: not come on schools for. That is one of them.

907
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Speaker 4: So the Trump campaign's reaction was, I guess sort of

908
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Speaker 4: as predicted. Here's what they said yesterday. Frank Lentz made

909
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Speaker 4: a funny point, and I'm loath to say that, but

910
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 4: here's Franklinz on AX. Interesting. This is B two. Interesting

911
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Speaker 4: that Trump says Tim Walls will be the worst VP

912
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Speaker 4: in history because it means that Kamala Harris is not.

913
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Speaker 4: That's a Trump campaign email. Obviously, he'll Unleasha get through

914
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Speaker 4: the spam filter. I don't know that it does. I

915
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Speaker 4: guess it got through frank Lenz's. But this is an

916
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Speaker 4: actual quote from it and all caps highlighted. He'll unleash

917
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Speaker 4: hell on Earth and open our borders to the worst criminals.

918
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Speaker 3: That's true. That's a good point.

919
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Speaker 4: Maybe keep our borders open to the worst criminals. Imaginable

920
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Speaker 4: green news scam. Trillions of dollars on fire, millions of

921
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 4: dirty cash to buy the White House?

922
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Speaker 3: That one I don't fully understand. The real killer.

923
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Speaker 4: He's already pulled in quote millions in dirty cash to

924
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Speaker 4: buy the White House. You're right, it does look like spam.

925
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Speaker 5: Now Trump, wouldn't he support lighting the trillions of dollars

926
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Speaker 5: on fire because that will reduce the money supply. It's

927
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Speaker 5: a good point, and they think there's too much money

928
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Speaker 5: supply in the economy. Have you concerned that would be

929
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Speaker 5: quantitative tightening?

930
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Speaker 4: You should respond to him on true social This is

931
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Speaker 4: what you should be on true Social.

932
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Speaker 5: No, if I can find his email in my inbox,

933
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Speaker 5: I'll just reply to whoever whatever that inbox is.

934
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Speaker 3: This is what he posted on true Social.

935
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Speaker 4: Gavin Newsom then pulled it, posted it to Twitter and said,

936
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Speaker 4: oh he's scared.

937
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Speaker 12: What are the.

938
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Speaker 4: Chances that crooked Joe Biden the worst president in the

939
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Speaker 4: history of the Yes, Who's US whose presidency was unconstitutionally

940
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: stolen from him by Cambabla? Barack Hussein Obama, Crazy, Nancy Blowzis, Shifty,

941
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Speaker 4: Adam ship cry and Chuck Schumer and others on the

942
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Speaker 4: lunatic lock crashes the Democrat National Convention and tries to

943
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Speaker 4: take back the nomination, beginning with challenging me to another debate.

944
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Speaker 4: He feels that he made a historically tragic mistake by

945
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Speaker 4: hanging over the US presidency, a coup to the people

946
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Speaker 4: in the world he most hates, and he wants it back. Now.

947
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Speaker 4: The Kamabla thing has started to get some traction to.

948
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Speaker 5: It's not great if you can't tell if it's a

949
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Speaker 5: typo or an attempt at a nickname.

950
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with Is it a real attempt? I

951
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Speaker 3: think so. I think so because and is he.

952
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Speaker 5: Basically calling there for a January sixth to restore Joe

953
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Speaker 5: Biden to the nomination.

954
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Speaker 4: Well, we know that there's a January sixth. There's a

955
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Speaker 4: soft coup, there's a hard coup. There's a soft J six,

956
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Speaker 4: there's a hard J six. Who knows what degree of

957
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Speaker 4: J six.

958
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Speaker 5: One thing Trump and Biden have in common, from Trump's perspectives,

959
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Speaker 5: that their vice presidents both pulled coups on him, right, and.

960
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Speaker 4: As Trump would be foolish not to remind us of this,

961
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Speaker 4: but Tim Wallas also was on Cameronston I think think

962
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Speaker 4: could hurt him shortly before Biden stepped down, right after

963
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Speaker 4: the debate, saying that Biden was fit to lead. He's

964
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Speaker 4: outside the White House saying that into a microphone to

965
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Speaker 4: reporters that Biden was fit to lead and fit to

966
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Speaker 4: be president for another four years. Basically so that can

967
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Speaker 4: earn him as well.

968
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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 4: Jd Vance has been hitting the trail hard. Dude has

970
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Speaker 4: been everywhere. As you know, the idea was that Donald

971
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Speaker 4: Trump was regretting the pick of jd Vance that he

972
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Speaker 4: wanted to, you know, sort of turn down the volume

973
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Speaker 4: on Vance. This is crisscrossing the country, right, now Here's

974
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Speaker 4: what he had to say day about Walls.

975
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Speaker 12: The reason I didn't say a whole lot about Tim Waltz.

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Speaker 17: Is because the Democrats have showed a willingness to pull

977
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Speaker 17: a little switcheroo on us. So I don't even know

978
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Speaker 17: if we're actually going to get Tim Waltz out of

979
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Speaker 17: this campaign. And I think that a lot of us

980
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Speaker 17: are asking ourselves, well, it's not going to be official

981
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Speaker 17: until the Democrats actually nominate him, I guess at their

982
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Speaker 17: convention next week.

983
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Speaker 6: So that's the first reason.

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Speaker 17: The second reason is, look, Tim Waltz's record is a joke.

985
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Speaker 17: He's been one of the most far left radicals in

986
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Speaker 17: the entire United States government at any level. But I

987
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Speaker 17: think that what Tim Waltz's selection says is that Kamala

988
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Speaker 17: Harris has been the nee to the far left of party,

989
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Speaker 17: which is what she always does. The only thing I'll

990
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Speaker 17: say about Josh Shapiro is I genuinely there's some fans

991
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Speaker 17: out here. I genuinely feel bad that for days, maybe

992
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Speaker 17: even weeks, the guy actually had to run away from

993
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Speaker 17: his Jewish heritage because of what the Democrats are saying

994
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Speaker 17: about him. I think that's scandalous and disgraceful. Whatever you

995
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Speaker 17: believe or just whatever you whatever disagreements on policy you

996
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Speaker 17: have about somebody. The fact that that race, the vice

997
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Speaker 17: presidential race on the Democratic side, became so focused on

998
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Speaker 17: his ethnicity, I think is absolutely disgraceful.

999
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Speaker 15: Do you think you have any similarities you can talk

1000
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Speaker 15: about a common ground that you.

1001
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Speaker 3: Share with laws?

1002
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Speaker 17: Well, look, I mean, yeah, we're we're white guys from

1003
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Speaker 17: the Midwest. I guess there are similarities there.

1004
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Speaker 4: I yes, yeah, What did you make of that?

1005
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: Why do you say chaos behind him?

1006
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Speaker 6: Like?

1007
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: That was? That was my first sign behind him?

1008
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Speaker 5: The sign behind him in Yeah, like you got to

1009
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Speaker 5: think more about the signs you're gonna put behind somebody.

1010
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

1011
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 5: It combined with that Trump tweet feels like real sour

1012
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 5: grapes from from Republicans about the fact that they're not

1013
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 5: getting to run against Joe Biden anymore. H And I

1014
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Speaker 5: get it, like I would much rather be running against

1015
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 5: Joe Biden. Like they were about to win Minnesota and

1016
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Speaker 5: New Mexico and Virginia.

1017
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Minnesota, yeah, exactly.

1018
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were on their way to an absolutely historic landslide,

1019
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 5: a landslide so historic. Trump was like I'm gonna go

1020
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Speaker 5: with Don Junior's pick and Jadie Vance my vice president,

1021
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden And also I think

1022
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 5: that they're extremely frustrated by the fact that Harris has

1023
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 5: been running for president now for two weeks. It's not

1024
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Speaker 5: had a not done an interview, not at a press conference,

1025
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 5: and basically not rolled out any policies except to flip

1026
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Speaker 5: flop on Medicare for all. Basically everything she ran on,

1027
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Speaker 5: like anything that was progressive that she ran on in

1028
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Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. And I will say twenty nineteen because not

1029
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty, because she did not make it into twenty twenty.

1030
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Speaker 5: She dropped out before then. She has walked away from

1031
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Speaker 5: all of those things. She's found time to retreat from

1032
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 5: all those policies. But she does not put any affirmative

1033
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 5: policies out except she said she's going to make the

1034
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 5: Affordable Care Act better, which good. I'd like to see

1035
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Speaker 5: the Affordable Charact made better.

1036
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 4: I can't really mean anything with her because she raised Herump.

1037
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 5: Says that to take care for all the right but yeah,

1038
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Speaker 5: Trump also says he's going to make the Affordable Care

1039
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Speaker 5: Act better.

1040
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 3: He says that everyone will have coverage good.

1041
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 5: Great, if we can have a presidential campaign with both

1042
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 5: candidates competing for who's going to make the Affordable Care

1043
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 5: Act better, who's going to expand coverage more?

1044
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 3: Better? Great?

1045
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 5: So I think Republicans, tell me, if I'm right, are

1046
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 5: just extremely frustrated.

1047
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Speaker 12: Now.

1048
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Speaker 3: They're used to, like.

1049
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Speaker 5: The mainstream media kind of taking this ride, taking them

1050
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 5: for this ride, and then and then this. Now, it's

1051
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 5: interesting that the Trump campaign was so nervous about Shapiro,

1052
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 5: like that they felt like and.

1053
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Speaker 3: There was some pole.

1054
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Speaker 5: There was some analysis I saw that said that he

1055
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Speaker 5: would add about a point four percent margin to the

1056
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Speaker 5: Harris ticket in Pennsylvania, which sounds like not much, but

1057
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Speaker 5: in a very tight race, is actually a huge amount

1058
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Speaker 5: if you believe that it's statistically significant like that the

1059
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Speaker 5: race very likely will be decided maybe by that the town.

1060
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I mean, if you look at the tallies

1061
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Speaker 4: from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty in some of those states, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania,

1062
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Speaker 4: and Michigan, they're so I was looking.

1063
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Speaker 3: Back at them the other day.

1064
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Speaker 4: There's razor thin margins in those days.

1065
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Speaker 5: So the Trump campaign seems happy that it wasn't Shapiro.

1066
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Speaker 3: But I wonder if they're a little bit.

1067
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Speaker 5: I think they expected worse Democrats than they're getting right now.

1068
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 4: Well, I think that's true, and I think they also underestimated,

1069
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 4: In fact, I know they underestimated the degree to which

1070
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Speaker 4: Kamala Harris would be accepted with open arms by this

1071
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Speaker 4: sort of political establishment, from the media to the elite Democrats.

1072
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Speaker 3: The left didn't put up much of a peep, right.

1073
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Speaker 4: And you know, so I sent this to you guys yesterday.

1074
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Speaker 4: It was like Cynthia Nixon sipping like coconut water yesterday,

1075
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Speaker 4: Like that just has been that the all of the

1076
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Speaker 4: coup stuff has gone away. And that's what the Trump

1077
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Speaker 4: campaign really wanted to hammer home is like this was

1078
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Speaker 4: a soft coup. They have just totally thrown democracy out

1079
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Speaker 4: the window of the running on.

1080
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Speaker 3: That stuff is not sticking and it's nothing.

1081
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Speaker 5: It's like Trump saying this is a soft coup against

1082
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Speaker 5: a guy that I believe should resign.

1083
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Speaker 4: So it's like, I feel like that's not it's not sticking,

1084
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Speaker 4: partially because the media just fully moved on. It's not

1085
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Speaker 4: entirely untrue that basically what we saw happen, but an

1086
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Speaker 4: immediate decision after the debate, like everyone was It wasn't immediate.

1087
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Speaker 4: It took a couple of weeks, but it was immediately

1088
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Speaker 4: things started to fall into place, and this started to

1089
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Speaker 4: you know, it didn't happen for the primary for a reason,

1090
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Speaker 4: and then suddenly happened after the debate.

1091
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Speaker 3: So I get that.

1092
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Speaker 4: But I think people are frustrated by how big of

1093
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Speaker 4: a boost Kamala Harris has gotten from pop culture and media.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they expected it. They should have expected it,

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Speaker 4: I don't think they did. That said, the race is

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Speaker 4: still basically tied. She is doing well in some new polls.

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Speaker 4: But the Shapiro thing in particular, Let's roll this CoIP

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Speaker 4: of Ben Shapiro, no relation, no relation, talking about how

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Speaker 4: he ended up getting passed up and what he thinks

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Speaker 4: that means.

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Speaker 3: Roll B five.

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Speaker 7: She has opened herself up wide to every attack on

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Speaker 7: her radicalism by picking Tim Walls. See, there was another

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Speaker 7: pick that was available, and everyone sort of expected that

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Speaker 7: person to be picked. That person, of course, was the

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Speaker 7: Pennsylvania governor, Josh Shapiro. Pennsylvania has eighteen electoral votes. Josh

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Speaker 7: Shapiro has a sixty one percent approval rating in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 7: Very easy pick, super super simple pick. For Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 7: and we know why she didn't pick Josh Shapiro, and

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Speaker 7: the reason is because he's a Jew. Also adopted under

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Speaker 7: tim Way walls as governorship background checks for private gun transfer,

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Speaker 7: which of course means effectively a gun registry. DFL lawmakers

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Speaker 7: also banned supposed conversion therapy for LGBTQ people, which is

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Speaker 7: much more controversial than it sounds like. When they're talking

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Speaker 7: about conversion therapy, they're no longer talking about the horrible

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Speaker 7: old practice of taking teenagers who are gay and electroding

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Speaker 7: them or something. They're talking about, you know, actual therapy

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Speaker 7: for people struggling with their sexual identity. For example, he

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Speaker 7: legalized recreational marijuana. He required a carbon free electric grid

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Speaker 7: by twenty forty. Again, that is such insanity. That is

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Speaker 7: not going to happen. That is not going to happen

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Speaker 7: because the alternative sources of electricity like wind and solar

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Speaker 7: are simply not up to the task of supplying electricity

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Speaker 7: to an entire state. On the base in the middle

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Speaker 7: of some of the coolest areas of the United States,

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Speaker 7: adopted a new reading curriculum based on phonics and passed

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Speaker 7: a massive two point five eight billion dollar capital construction package,

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Speaker 7: So that is tax sikes, that is spending, that is

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Speaker 7: him Walls in a nutshell.

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Speaker 4: So again I don't think he's wrong that those bring

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Speaker 4: vulnerabilities to the table and vulnerabilities that Josh Shapiro might

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Speaker 4: not have had. But I don't agree with this promise

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Speaker 4: that Walls does not also bring advantages to the ticket

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Speaker 4: that Shapiro wouldn't bring to the ticket, and that Shapiro

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Speaker 4: is just this sort of Gavin Newsom like playing I

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Speaker 4: could play a politician on TV.

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Speaker 5: Kamala is very much a seems like a politician. So

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Speaker 5: two of those, Yeah, and against Trump, the anti politician

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Speaker 5: is a tough race.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And Shapiro very much acknowledged Walls as a buncularness. He

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Speaker 5: called it his affability, like his likability, Like I think

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Speaker 5: it's the one thing that everybody is like, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 5: it's likable guy.

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Speaker 3: He seems cool.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's going to be because one of the

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Speaker 4: reasons Kamala Harris reportedly was interested in Walls is that

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Speaker 4: when he went on news Chris and I talked about

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Speaker 4: this last week.

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Speaker 3: And made that weird remark about JD.

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Speaker 4: Vancid.

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Speaker 3: These people are weird.

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Speaker 4: That was impressive because coming from him, it seemed to

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Speaker 4: stick that he had this. Now Republicans may, because of

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Speaker 4: that sort of cultural progressivism, may actually have an ability.

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Speaker 4: We'll see how well it sticks to paint him as weird. Again,

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Speaker 4: we will see how well that politically sticks. But that

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Speaker 4: coming from him is different than that coming from Joshapiro.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that jos Shapiro could even pull that

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Speaker 4: off because he just seems less regular. And when it

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Speaker 4: sounds like a regular guy saying it, it's easier to

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Speaker 4: make it stick.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 5: And the more that Stephen Miller goes on Fox News

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Speaker 5: like ranting about tampon's tim walls and tampons and getting

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Speaker 5: offended at the weird things, like you're not beating those charges, man,

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Speaker 5: I don't think this is the guy you want to

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Speaker 5: drag out to tell us that you're not weird.

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Speaker 4: And again, yeah, I agree that all those things are vulnerabilities,

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Speaker 4: but to what degree their vulnerabilities in this larger context

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Speaker 4: of how much much a vice president will even matter?

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Speaker 4: To your point, there are marginal reasons that these are

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Speaker 4: important picks in places like Pennsylvania. So I don't disagree

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Speaker 4: with that, either. But how much this conversation will be

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Speaker 4: about Tim Walls and his various policies going forward is

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Speaker 4: very much an open question. It depends on what Republicans

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Speaker 4: decide to run on. Certainly this gives them something to

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Speaker 4: work with, but voters are thinking about the people at

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Speaker 4: the top of the ticket for the most part, So

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Speaker 4: I don't know that this is going to be a

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Speaker 4: huge part, even like when people are making up their

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Speaker 4: minds about who to vote for in a place like Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 4: if your governor's on the ticket, that's different. Republicans probably

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Speaker 4: were not going to win Minnesota even with Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: at the top of the ticket.

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Speaker 5: And so I'm next We're going to have two people

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Speaker 5: debating this very question, Jenk yuger tyt host and Will Chamberlain.

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Speaker 5: What do you describe my conservative attorney?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Conservative, I would say, a sort of new right conservative

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Speaker 4: attorney and very much a pro Trump voice on the right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Jenk was taking a kind of counterintuitive contrarian Shapiro not

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Speaker 5: necessarily pro Shapiro but anti anti Shapiro line.

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Speaker 3: But is over the moon about the Tim Walls pick.

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Speaker 5: Joining us now to discuss more on the Tim Walls

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Speaker 5: VP selection. We've got Will Chamberlain, kind of a new

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Speaker 5: rite conservative activist writer attained an attorney as well. And

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Speaker 5: we've got Jenk Yuger, host of tyt's main show, Jenk

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Speaker 5: Will thank.

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Speaker 3: You so much for joining us. Thanks for having me

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Speaker 3: and Jenks.

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Speaker 5: Let's start with you, because talk to talk to us

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Speaker 5: about how you were feeling during the kind of Veepsteaks competition,

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Speaker 5: which interestingly was kind of what we had been proposing

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Speaker 5: democrats do for their actual nomination, is to have this

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Speaker 5: kind of an open process where it wasn't necessary going

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Speaker 5: to lead to actual people voting, but by the general

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Speaker 5: vibes of the country, somebody would emerge as an obvious favorite.

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Speaker 3: And that that that seemed to happen here.

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Speaker 5: Like it it was a participatory democratic process, even if

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Speaker 5: nobody got to go and actually cast votes.

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Speaker 3: So how did you.

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Speaker 5: Feel about the kind of VP selection before you know,

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Speaker 5: or or like you know, before the process kicked off,

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Speaker 5: and how did you feel about it by the end

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Speaker 5: of it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I felt many different things.

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Speaker 12: First of all, I felt, told you, second of all,

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Speaker 12: apprehension and then at the end elation so told you

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Speaker 12: as in, look at all these amazing Democratic candidates. This

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Speaker 12: is why we thought that Biden should step aside, because

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Speaker 12: the idea that Biden was the best that the Democrats

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Speaker 12: had to offer was so preposterous at this late stage

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Speaker 12: in his life.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, how about the.

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Speaker 12: Governor of Pennsylvania or Michigan, or Kentucky or apparently Minnesota.

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Speaker 6: And it turned out when we looked into them, they

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Speaker 6: were all fantastic.

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Speaker 12: I told you, of course, there's a lot of great

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Speaker 12: Democrats out there.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 12: The apprehension part was I was like, oh no, here

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Speaker 12: we go again with the Democrats, with all these great

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Speaker 12: candidates out there. If they picked like a Mark Kelly

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Speaker 12: snoozefest because they think they already have this thing one,

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Speaker 12: or even worse, the corporate lego man Pete Botagic, all

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Speaker 12: this will have been for naught.

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Speaker 6: And then I would have put them back as underdogs.

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Speaker 6: But they didn't.

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Speaker 12: They didn't, and at the NFL elation is I can't

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Speaker 12: believe they made the best pick. I can't believe, and

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Speaker 12: I can't believe that the last two were the best

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Speaker 12: two Josh Shapiro and Tim Walls. So that couldn't have

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Speaker 12: gotten any better.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's start electorally, So just cynically, like setting aside

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Speaker 5: what you think about the policies that this ticket is

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Speaker 5: going to put forward electorally from your perspective on the right,

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Speaker 5: how do you think this pick plays.

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Speaker 4: Which, by the way, want to add is an important

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Speaker 4: addition to what Jankis said, is that is Tim Walls

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Speaker 4: a good candidate? To Ryan's point, is he a good

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Speaker 4: candidate for Democrats? Or do his vulnerabilities as you see

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Speaker 4: them outweigh the potential advantages that he brings to the ticket.

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Speaker 16: I think among the Fanel finalists, he's the pick we're

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Speaker 16: happiest to see a Republicans. We were worried about Jos Shapiro.

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Speaker 16: We think that Jos Shapiro has massive favorability ratings and

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Speaker 16: what's most likely to be the tipping point state if

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Speaker 16: you saw him speak yesterday at that rally, he's a

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Speaker 16: hell of an order, like just real talk.

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Speaker 6: The guy can speak that.

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Speaker 16: He made a pretty good joke too when people said

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Speaker 16: he was compared to Barack Obama. He's like, well, Obama

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Speaker 16: is a pretty good order, so I'm not upset about

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Speaker 16: that comparison. So we were worried about Shapiro. Tim Waltz

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Speaker 16: makes this a very simple election. It's make America great

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Speaker 16: again versus make America burn again. They are going to

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Speaker 16: have the Minneapolis riots hanging over their head the next

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Speaker 16: three months. It's going to be an immigration and crime election.

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Speaker 16: They're going to have to explain why Tim Walls decided

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Speaker 16: to let riders one while while he twiddled his thumbs,

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Speaker 16: and then why Camala Harris promoted a fund to bail

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Speaker 16: those riders out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think? Jenk All?

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Speaker 12: Right, First of all, let's all be amused by the

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Speaker 12: idea of someone who definitely should not be running if

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Speaker 12: they didn't call a National Guard soon enough and they

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Speaker 12: just twiddled their thumbs while there.

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Speaker 6: Was a riot happening like on January sixth. Awkward.

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Speaker 12: Okay, so listen, it's hilarious that we have agreement here.

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Speaker 12: He thinks Tim Wants is the best candidate for them.

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Speaker 12: I think Tim WANs is the best candidate for us.

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Speaker 12: The brother passed all these wonderful laws that are intensely popular,

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Speaker 12: paid family leave you, free lunches for poor kids by

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Speaker 12: the way, free college for lower income families so they

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Speaker 12: can compete with the rich families, which Republicans are going

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Speaker 12: to hate, and they did hate. They devoted against it,

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Speaker 12: passed so many economically populist bills, and then just popular

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Speaker 12: popular bills like legalizing marijuana and and all of these

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Speaker 12: pull it over seventy percent. So if they're gonna run

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Speaker 12: on Tim Wall's record, they're going to run straight into

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Speaker 12: our iceberg.

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Speaker 6: And I love it.

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Speaker 12: Please make the case against the American people, how they

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Speaker 12: shouldn't have paid family leave, they shouldn't have child tax credits,

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Speaker 12: they shouldn't have abortion rights.

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Speaker 6: Go for it, go for it. Make our day.

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Speaker 12: By the way, don't get me wrong. I like Josh Shapiro.

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Speaker 12: I favored Josh Shapiro. But this whole thing that they

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Speaker 12: do after every pick is like, well, if you'd picked

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Speaker 12: the other guy, that we would have been scared of

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Speaker 12: that guy. But you pick this guy, we're thrilled. I'm

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Speaker 12: seeing this two thousand times over.

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Speaker 4: So will I imagine what was going through your head?

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Speaker 4: And I don't want to put words in your mouth.

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Speaker 4: But as jenk was talking about, some of these popular

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Speaker 4: and sort of genuinely populist economic policies that the likes

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Speaker 4: of Sarabamari and others even on the New Right, have

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Speaker 4: looked at and said, there's some interesting stuff in here

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Speaker 4: economically that would that is popular with voters, whether or

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 4: and it's right or wrong, popular with voters at the

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Speaker 4: very least. What was probably coming through your mind was

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01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 4: some of the cultural policies that Waltz has passed, So

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Speaker 4: that would be on LGBT issues, immigration issues, the way

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Speaker 4: he's talked about both of those issues that create vulnerabilities

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Speaker 4: for him. So is that something that as Republicans are

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01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 4: looking at this, you think drags Waltz down, drags Kamala

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Speaker 4: Harris down from now until November.

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Speaker 16: Well, yeah, I mean it's not twenty twelve.

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Speaker 6: Mitt Romney's not at the top of the ticket with

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01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 6: Paul Ryan.

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Speaker 16: We're not about to run on you know, cutting a

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01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 16: title and spending or pending the cost curve or whatever.

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Speaker 16: So this is a very different Republican party. You know,

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Speaker 16: the head of the teams who spoke at the Republican Convention,

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01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 16: We're not going to be running on child tax credits

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01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 16: are bad. The real problem with Waltz, I think. I mean,

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Speaker 16: first off, obviously immigration, Waltz has allowed for taxpayer money

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01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 16: to go to paying for illegal immigrants college. That's something

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Speaker 16: we're certainly going to run on. I mean, I'm generally

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01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 16: of the view that tax American taxpayers money should benefit

1332
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 16: American citizens and not the object, not the opposite. He's

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01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 16: got some very big issues on the trans stuff. It's

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01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 16: not merely you know, like should do trans people exist?

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01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 16: This is stuff like, you know, he's going to make

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01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 16: it impossible for Red states to set laws that prohibit

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Speaker 16: transgender surgeries on children.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I like, as.

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Speaker 16: Much as jenk wants to say this stuff is popular,

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01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 16: this stuff is not popular. You know, Deacons of reactionary

1341
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 16: conservatism like England and Norway and Sweden have banned all

1342
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 16: these treatments. This is this is stuff that's not going

1343
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 16: to go well with the broader public. And then there's

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 16: also the biggest issue, which I think with Waltz, which

1345
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 16: really hasn't been covered. He's an appointment dodger. He was

1346
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 16: in the National Guard. He was the leader of a unit,

1347
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 16: and the moment that the Iraq War, that his unit

1348
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 16: was about to deploy, he just said, sorry, guys, have

1349
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 16: fun and just left the mall go off to rock

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Speaker 16: and three of them died.

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Speaker 12: Okay, let me answer that. So the brother was in

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01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 12: the National Guard for twenty seven years. He got at

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01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 12: least three medals that I saw, and he enlisted. Is

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01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 12: the highest enlisted ranked member of the Armed service that

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Speaker 12: we serve in Congress, and.

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Speaker 6: You're going to compare.

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01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 12: Him to Commander bone Spurs, who ran from Vietnam and

1358
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 12: they asked him, Hey, your daddy wrote you a note

1359
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 12: about how you had bone spurs in your ankle. Which

1360
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 12: ankle was it? He's like, I don't maybe both, maybe both.

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01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 12: Your guy's a total utter coward. He ran from Vietnam

1362
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 12: and then later bragged that his Vietnam was dodging STDs.

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01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 6: At the Orgies he was going to.

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Speaker 12: So you want to compare him to a guy who

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01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 12: served for twenty seven years, have a a hoss.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll go right back at you on that.

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Speaker 16: My guy's the guy who got shot in the face

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01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 16: and got up screaming fight, fight, fight. Your guy at

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01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 16: who's a forty seven year old man supervising teenagers, and

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01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 16: you know, young men who are about to go to

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01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 16: the war, leading them for years the moment they're about

1372
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 16: to deploy, walks off the job, total loser. Anybody's a

1373
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 16: coward in this race. It's Tim Walls you're nuts.

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01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 12: So you're saying, actually defending the country is cowardly if

1375
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 12: you do it for decades on end, and you wouldn't.

1376
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 12: When did you defend the country one chance?

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Speaker 6: He didn't do it. You don't get to talk over me. Sorry, okay,

1378
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:11,760
Speaker 6: fair enough.

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Speaker 12: And then and then wins the Nebraska Citizens Soldier of

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01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 12: the Year. He wins every award there is. And then

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Speaker 12: you go, well, no, you didn't serve thirty years. You

1382
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 12: didn't serve forty years. Your guys served zero years.

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Speaker 4: Okay. So, jenk though, could you respond to what Will

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01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 4: said about immigration trans issues causing vulnerabilities for Waltz? I

1385
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 4: mean it is true that as popular as some of

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01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 4: those economic policies might be, those are way more front

1387
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Speaker 4: issues and Waltz, who's who really relied on Minneapolis to

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Speaker 4: win his groupernatorial election. As Steve Karnaki pointed on MSNBC yesterday,

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01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 4: those are tougher cells outside of Minneapolis on some of

1390
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Speaker 4: those big cultural issues.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I understand that.

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01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 12: So again, though, I want to make sure that everybody

1393
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 12: understands that Donald Trump is a giant coward who ran

1394
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 12: for Vietnam and wanted poor people and middle class people

1395
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 12: to die on his behalf. But to be fair, his

1396
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 12: daddy's doctor note was really sterling well paid for.

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Speaker 6: Okay. So now in terms of those issues.

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Speaker 12: Look, it depends on how you ask the questions on immigration, transwrites, etc.

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01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 6: And so if you say, oh.

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 12: My god, the police department and the fire department in

1401
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 12: Minnesota are wrong. They shouldn't have driver's licenses, even though

1402
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 12: it would make the cops lives much much easier and

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01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 12: identifying them and I can't believe that a nondocumented immigrant

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01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 12: would ever get anything. They should be dealianized, and we

1405
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 12: should hate them, and we should pretend that they're evil. Okay,

1406
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 12: you can go that route. You could run a hate

1407
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,639
Speaker 12: field campaign. And by the way, my resoname with some people.

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01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 6: I get it. But we're going to come back and.

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01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 12: Double down on how he helped the average American and

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01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 12: his economic bills are overwhelmingly popular. In fact, ninety percent

1411
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 12: of the bills that he's passed are overwhelmingly popular. Here's

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01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 12: a guy who is a teacher of football, coach and

1413
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 12: from the from the Midwest. I almost pulled a Trump said,

1414
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 12: from the Middle West, that's the thing that we say. Okay,

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01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 12: so look compared to loser bankropt, a businessman and a

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 12: vulture capitalist. I've added oss, Okay, tell us about how

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01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 12: popular you guys are, and oh, we have the most

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01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 12: popular billionaires in Wall Street.

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01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 6: Tacoon's on our side. Go for it, okay, But I

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01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 6: don't think those are going to play well at all.

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01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 12: I think they're gonna get their asses handed to him.

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01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 3: What's your response to that one, will Oh?

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 16: I mean, I think like Tim Waltz is just goofy.

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01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 16: That's another thing about him. He's really really I mean,

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01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 16: think about Tim Waltz. Here's the other thing. The guy

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01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 16: made a sex joke in his like announcement as VP,

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01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 16: referencing this couch stuff. You know, it'd be one thing

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01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 16: if he was just doing that on some podcast. He's

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01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 16: doing it there on the speech where he's making himself known,

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 16: and then he shakes his wife's hand. I don't know

1431
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,799
Speaker 16: if if I shake my wife's hand, I got get slapped.

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01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 16: The guy's ridiculous. And then I think also on the

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01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 16: economic stuff, I mean, Minnesota is an economic basket case.

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01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 16: It's actually relative in other states. It's gotten far worse

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01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 16: than the past few years. People are fleeing the state

1436
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 16: to Florida, he's not actually done a good job of

1437
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 16: managing his state. And then the state's also become a

1438
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 16: high crime state because he's so inept on crime, as

1439
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 16: demonstrated in Minneapolis in twenty twenty.

1440
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 12: Okay, it's the fifth best state for business. So this

1441
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 12: whole thing of extreme liberal is absurd. It's the third

1442
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 12: happiest state. And then I love every point about Tim

1443
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 12: Wallas as it's as if they're talking about Donald Trump

1444
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 12: and don't realize it. That guy's really strange, says weird things.

1445
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 12: Can you believe he said inappropriate things? Really, a guy

1446
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 12: supporting Trump is going to tell us about how the

1447
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 12: other guy said inappropriate things. A big joke about a couch,

1448
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 12: that's what you're But you're not outraged that Trump was like, yeah,

1449
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 12: I grab him by the jigitis. You don't think that's weird,

1450
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 12: that's totally normal. And then oh my god, I can't

1451
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,719
Speaker 12: believe he shook his wife's hand. Well that's better than Trump.

1452
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 12: Millennia won't even touch his him. So, I mean, everything

1453
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 12: you say about Tim Wallas is like steroids comically true

1454
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 12: of Donald Trump.

1455
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 16: I mean, context seems pretty obviously different. What you say

1456
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 16: in private versus what you say in a rally. I mean,

1457
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 16: ye are read Zoba.

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01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 12: Yeah. I actually as a lot of people that sounds great. Yeah,

1459
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 12: that in private's way better.

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01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 4: Can we stick on the question of Walls's economic record, actually,

1461
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 4: because Jane, can you flesh out that point about Uh,

1462
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 4: this is something I've started to see coming from people

1463
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 4: actually within Minnesota who have said, you know, Walts did

1464
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 4: pass these economic populist policies, but what he did with

1465
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 4: the money and the budget and all that you know

1466
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 4: is conservatives in Minnesota unsurprisingly will hammer Walls for having

1467
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,719
Speaker 4: been bad on the economy. Your contention is that actually

1468
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 4: it's a benefit for him that he has the over

1469
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,440
Speaker 4: the economy that he's overseen in Minneapolis or in Minnesota

1470
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 4: is a benefit for him on the campaign trail.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: So look, first I should also acknowledge that this sexual

1473
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 12: assault that Donald Trump was convicted of was in public

1474
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 12: he actually assaulted or in public?

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01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, he did in address, None of that, None of

1476
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 6: what you said is true. He didn't was not addictive

1477
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 6: of a sexual assault that.

1478
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 12: The jury said. He definitely did it, and it was

1479
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 12: in public. It was a civil suit. It's not a conviction.

1480
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 6: I'm sorry.

1481
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 12: It was a civil suit where he jury said he

1482
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 12: definitely did sexual assault in public.

1483
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 6: Okay.

1484
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 12: So to the economic issues, so look, he passes all

1485
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 12: these wonderful laws that help America's Like look at paid

1486
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 12: family leave. That's a Democrat saying, hey, mom should get

1487
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 12: in that case, twenty weeks off after they have a

1488
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 12: baby so they could bond with a baby.

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01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 6: And Republicans going that would have hurt interests. Corporations want

1490
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 6: you to go back to work the next day.

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01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 12: And so they all voted no, and they said, well,

1492
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 12: if you both have moms spend any time with their babies,

1493
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 12: and you know how much Republicans hate babies, and if

1494
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 12: you do that, my god, it's going to sink the economy.

1495
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 6: Except it didn't. It's the fifth best state for business.

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01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 12: So not only did the average Minnesota get a lot

1497
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 12: better situation, but you guys.

1498
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 6: Were all wrong. It didn't hurt business at all. So

1499
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 6: it's always been a mirage.

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01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 12: It's the Republican Party is built to serve the rich

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 12: and serve corporations, So they don't want you to have

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01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 12: one day with your baby at all. They don't want

1503
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 12: you sickly, they don't want any day. Don't want child Exspreddit.

1504
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 12: They don't want any of that stuff because it would

1505
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 12: hurt their beloved corporations, they think in their infinite greed.

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01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 6: But it turns out he doesn't even hurt them. It

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01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 6: still makes business perfectly happy.

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01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 12: So he found a way to balance interest in a

1509
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:31,839
Speaker 12: way that helped everyone.

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01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 6: You can't argue with them.

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01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 5: And well, I feel like Republicans are going to have

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01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 5: two problems in going after Walls, And one is that,

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01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 5: like you said, Walls seems like a pretty boring white guy,

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01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 5: So painting him as a as a radical is going

1515
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 5: to be difficult. And Minnesota is Minnesota, and so painting

1516
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 5: it as Steven Miller tried, as like the next Mogadishu

1517
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 5: is going to be difficult, and like portraying it as

1518
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 5: some like you know, communist Mecca is also going to

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01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 5: be difficult because it's Minnesota. But maybe I'm wrong here,

1520
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 5: like you like, what is what is your sense of

1521
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 5: how you guys are going to be able to turn

1522
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 5: Minnesota and Tim Walls into kind of scary figures.

1523
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 16: We're just going to keep publishing the images and videos

1524
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 16: of Minneapolis. In June twenty twenty, over and over and

1525
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 16: over again. That's what we're going to do. I feel like,

1526
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 16: I mean.

1527
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you're probably I appreciate that.

1528
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,639
Speaker 5: I suspect you will. I think that people are over

1529
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 5: that like that. It's that you're going to look like

1530
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 5: you're complaining about something that people are kind of ready

1531
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 5: to move past and are going to say, Look, the

1532
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 5: protests were well meaning, they were targeting a genuine injustice.

1533
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 5: They went overboard at times. We don't necessarily want to

1534
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 5: be reminded of that. Why are you guys reminding us?

1535
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 3: Maybe you're maybe you see my point, Like, I don't

1536
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 3: know if this is going to work.

1537
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 16: For it, but I think that the sort of people

1538
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 16: who are swing voters in this election, I mean, you

1539
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 16: look at generally, like what do swing voters care about?

1540
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 16: What are the Republican's strongest issues with string voters? Immigration, crime, inflation?

1541
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 6: Right? Those three those are the ones, and crime is

1542
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 6: a big one.

1543
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 16: Like the defund the police stuff that Kamala has said

1544
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 16: in the past, abolishized stuff. That's all stuff that she's

1545
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 16: extremely worried about. That's why she spent like a whole

1546
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 16: week having her flax go out there and claim that

1547
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 16: she wasn't the borders are so like they're worried about

1548
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 16: this stuff. Tim Waltz makes it much worse for them.

1549
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 16: This is where jos Shapiro would have been a really

1550
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 16: much stronger candidate, more moderate, better on crime. But Tim

1551
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 16: Waltz is just it fits into the narrative because one

1552
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 16: of again, one of Kamala's weakest points is that she

1553
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 16: promoted that bail fund in Minneapolis, and Tim Waltz is

1554
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 16: the governor of Minnesota who twittled.

1555
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 4: His times and why Jink, is that not a huge

1556
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,839
Speaker 4: problem for Waltz in your opinion?

1557
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, So a couple of things here.

1558
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 12: At number one, this is the same thing Democrats did

1559
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 12: about January sixth. They beat it into the ground and

1560
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 12: they showed the video after video after video until people

1561
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 12: got bored of it. So I'm kind of known for

1562
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 12: being honest about our side and the weaknesses in our side,

1563
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 12: and I don't think that was great political strategy. And

1564
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 12: right now Republicans are remaining that same mistake. I think

1565
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 12: Ryan's exactly right. People get it.

1566
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,520
Speaker 6: Hey, listen, George Floyd was one of the greatest injustices.

1567
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 12: I don't know, maybe Republicans changed their minds and they

1568
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 12: think maybe he had a coming or something.

1569
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1570
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 12: Maybe they're going to defend Chauvin like they defended Kyle

1571
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:24,839
Speaker 12: Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman. But in terms of the riots,

1572
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 12: he did call out the National Guard. They're saying, oh,

1573
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 12: he didn't do it fast enough. But again, if your

1574
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 12: candidate is Donald Trump, and he refused to call out

1575
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 12: the National Guard on January sixth, and he sat around

1576
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 12: and enjoyed it while his own supporters chanted, hang Mike Pence,

1577
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 12: Hang Mike Pence, and he said he didn't mind. I

1578
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 12: don't think you get to make the case that, oh

1579
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 12: my god, there'll be chaos if the other guys are elected.

1580
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 12: So I just don't think that that's a winning issue

1581
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 12: for them. I think it feels old and stale. But

1582
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 12: they could run it, and when they do again, it'll

1583
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 12: feel a little bit racial, and so I think that

1584
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 12: they can't help them. They keep attacking on race, on

1585
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 12: the fact that Kamala Harris is a woman, so you know,

1586
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 12: on Tim Walls, I mean, they got nothing because of

1587
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 12: what Ryan pointed out.

1588
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 6: It's Minnesota. He's a lovable old grandpa.

1589
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 12: He passed the laws that the people of Minnesota are

1590
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 12: thrilled with and so they're gonna go to weird. But

1591
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 12: that's what he said about you guys, and everybody thinks

1592
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 12: that's true. So it just seems super weak. I don't

1593
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 12: think they have any case at all. Look just real

1594
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 12: quick on this. When Joe Biden was in the race,

1595
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 12: I said he had a zero percent chance of winning.

1596
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 6: So it's not like I'm.

1597
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 12: Telling you, oh yeah, raw, raw, Democratic Party they're so

1598
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 12: great now. I think they're the clear favorites because his

1599
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 12: record of Minnesota is excellent. Kamala Harris has been terrific

1600
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 12: on the campaign trail, and now Donald Trump looks like

1601
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 12: the stale, old tired guy who's still raving like a

1602
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 12: lunatic in the corner. I think they're in a world

1603
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 12: of herb.

1604
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 4: So Ryan made a point earlier in the show that

1605
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 4: about this exchange Stephen Miller had with someone about the

1606
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 4: It was someone posting a picture of Tim Waltz with

1607
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 4: his hunting gear on, like bird hunting, something like that,

1608
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 4: and said, how are you going to paint this guy

1609
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 4: as like a San Francisco liberal or coastal leader or something,

1610
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,600
Speaker 4: And Steven Miller replied, he put tampons in girls' bathrooms

1611
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,839
Speaker 4: or in boys bathrooms. I'm sorry, And when the exchange

1612
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 4: went super viral, so Will Ryan was making the point

1613
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 4: that it backfires on Republicans because then they look like

1614
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 4: the middle aged men who are obsessing over tampon's or

1615
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 4: like forcing you to think about tampons. What's your response

1616
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 4: to that, because to me, I actually think that Steven

1617
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 4: Miller point is pretty successful at undercutting the dumb argument

1618
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 4: that this is just your average, you know, roural Minnesotan dad.

1619
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 3: But on the other hand, I do see Ryan's point.

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01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 16: I think the politics of that issue in particular have

1621
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,280
Speaker 16: changed over the last eight years, and that the general

1622
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 16: public is a lot less sympathetic to especially when it

1623
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 16: comes to stuff about trans and kids. So I don't

1624
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 16: think it helps Tim Waltz that he was like making

1625
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 16: his state a refuge for you know, you know, puberty

1626
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 16: blockers for children. I think that it's going to actually

1627
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 16: look bad for him. But more broadly, I think it's

1628
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 16: like generally it's just this hic lip stuff where you know,

1629
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 16: it's like, oh, look, it's a liberal with a gun.

1630
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 16: That's going to persuade conservatives that he's just a fine guy.

1631
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 16: I mean, we've got so many obvious attacks. I mean,

1632
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 16: obviously the deployment dodger one is the biggest one. The

1633
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 16: guy's not going to have credibility among veterans. Every veteran's

1634
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 16: going to look at him be like you would have

1635
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 16: abandoned me when I.

1636
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 6: Was about to deploy. That's what They're going to look

1637
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 6: at him and say, that's sick.

1638
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's just prue so smick.

1639
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 12: You guys do it every time to actual veterans. It's

1640
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 12: an emooral line of attack. You did it to John

1641
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 12: Carry after you took bullets for this country. Your guys

1642
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 12: are all chicken hawks. They're all loser cowards like Donald

1643
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 12: Trump who ran from Vietnam, Dick Cheney who never served,

1644
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 12: Tom Delay who said, oh, black people took my spot.

1645
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,959
Speaker 12: Otherwise they would have gotten to Vietnam they never served.

1646
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 12: They're always coward or is they always send other people

1647
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 12: to die. They're always rich people going, hey, why don't

1648
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 12: you poor middle class people die for the wars that

1649
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 12: I start and j vance twenty seven years?

1650
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 6: Yea van Tim waltsteron, okay, what do you p twenty

1651
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 6: seven years? Then I'll judge you. I'll Joe stayed twenty

1652
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 6: eight year.

1653
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 3: Jack judging you, so jenk to knock on him.

1654
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 5: That you're going to hear from the right is that

1655
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 5: it was May sixteenth, two thousand and five, just when

1656
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,799
Speaker 5: when when Walls stepped aside and as he as he retired,

1657
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 5: So this was after twenty plus years in the National Guard,

1658
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 5: but as he retired, his unit was about to deploy,

1659
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 5: and according to people in the unit, he had told

1660
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:42,480
Speaker 5: those in the unit that he would deploy with them.

1661
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 6: To a wreck.

1662
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 3: So that that's gonna be the hit.

1663
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,919
Speaker 5: You think, it doesn't land because because they go they

1664
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,879
Speaker 5: went after John Kerry s, they'll go after everybody.

1665
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 3: So they've lost.

1666
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 4: And Jane, let me add also that Chris Lasovita is

1667
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 4: the head of the Trump campaigns wills right now. He

1668
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 4: is the architect of the swift boat ad campaign.

1669
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 12: Yeah, of course, that's what he does is he does

1670
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 12: this to every veteran who's served. Oh, you want to

1671
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 12: serve America, We're going to find a way to smear you,

1672
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 12: and we're going to pretend that you didn't get shot enough.

1673
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 6: We're going to pretend that you didn't serve long enough.

1674
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 12: Even though our guys never served, and you served over

1675
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 12: two decades, but we're going to find a way to

1676
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 12: use that against you. So hey, listen, if you're an

1677
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 12: average American and you like politics and you care about

1678
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 12: this country and you want to fix it, be careful

1679
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 12: if you go into the armed services, the Republicans will

1680
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 12: viciously smear you later.

1681
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 6: Oh he took a bathroom break once. I didn't like him.

1682
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, he was something I didn't like in the

1683
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 12: in training, in the army, or in the National Guard. Okay,

1684
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 12: where was your guy? Oh no, he didn't have a

1685
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 12: unit to deploy because his dad literally bribed a doctor

1686
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,560
Speaker 12: to write a doctor's note about a bone.

1687
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 6: Spur he didn't have. So will can you explain?

1688
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 12: I'm being serious because you're smearing a guy who served

1689
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 12: for decades. So I want you to answer to me

1690
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 12: why Donald Trump isn't a gigantic coward from running from Vietnam.

1691
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 12: Don't tell me about an assassination attempt. Okay, that's a

1692
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 12: different thing, and I gave him credit for that. Tell

1693
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 12: me about why he ran from Vietnam and let Lura

1694
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 12: and middle class Americans die. Or and while he bragged

1695
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 12: about going to Orgy's instead.

1696
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 16: I don't know the details of what exactly went on

1697
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 16: with his Vietnam stuff, but I will say this, this

1698
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 16: is the obvious comparison. He was twenty two when Vietnam

1699
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 16: was going on. Tim Waltz was a grown man and

1700
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 16: the leader of his unit, and he abandoned them.

1701
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 12: So, since he was a spoiled little brat and his

1702
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 12: daddy had given him four hundred million dollars and he

1703
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 12: was twenty two and he wanted to get laid, he

1704
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 12: let other people die for him. That seems like a

1705
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 12: really compelling argument. You guys seem super brave and really

1706
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 12: into veterans. I mean, Tim waltzs did exactly that. He

1707
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 12: could have gone with his unit. Three of his unit died.

1708
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 12: These were the men he was leading and told what

1709
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 12: he would deploy with them, and then fifty thousand died

1710
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,759
Speaker 12: in Vietnam. None of them were billionaires kids, that's for sure.

1711
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 12: None of them were rich kids like Donald Trump who

1712
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 12: all dodged. And when you dodged the draft like that,

1713
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 12: what you say is, I don't mind if a kid

1714
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 12: from Minnesota or Nebraska dies on my behalf. I got

1715
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,640
Speaker 12: orgies to go to you know, what Donald Trump did

1716
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,759
Speaker 12: with veterans who were homeless in front of Trump Tower.

1717
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 6: He had them removed.

1718
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 12: He thought that they lowered his property values because those

1719
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 12: veterans went to Vietnam. Oh, I guess they were dramatized

1720
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 12: because Daddy didn't get them out so here it kicked

1721
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 12: them off of my in front of my Trump Tower.

1722
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 12: This rich bitch who ran, ran, ran, who never served,

1723
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,599
Speaker 12: who's a giant coward who doesn't know which ankle had

1724
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 12: the bone spurs, has a temerity to go after a

1725
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 12: veteran who serve for over two decades and has the

1726
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 12: medals to show for it. It's disgusting.

1727
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 4: Let me, maybe this is a good place to start

1728
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 4: winding down the conversation because does any of this actually matter? Like,

1729
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 4: that's the question I want to pitch to both of you.

1730
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 4: This is the vice president, the vice president's nominee that is,

1731
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: so does litigating the details of his departure from Army

1732
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 4: National Guard, like whether it's that, whether it's economic policy,

1733
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 4: is is it going to have a meaningful effect on

1734
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 4: the Harris ticket or on the Trump Vance ticket? Like

1735
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 4: is Tim Walt? Does he really matter? And I'll start

1736
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 4: with you on that one.

1737
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 3: Drink.

1738
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1739
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:19,200
Speaker 12: Look, I have to play defense on it because these

1740
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 12: guys are immoral, so they keep smearing every Democratic candidate

1741
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 12: in the same exact way. Oh, you dare to serve

1742
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,160
Speaker 12: in our armed services, We're gonna use it against you.

1743
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 6: We're gonna weaponize.

1744
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 12: So I'm not gonna let them do that, okay, especially

1745
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 12: when their parties fill to the rim with cowards who

1746
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 12: never serve.

1747
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 6: Okay, so you don't get the smear veterans after.

1748
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 12: You chose to run from every battle and start those

1749
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 12: wars and then never serve in them. So I'm not

1750
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 12: gonna let them get away with it in terms of

1751
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 12: what people vote on. Go ahead, do your.

1752
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 6: Immoral smears of veterans. It's not gonna work. The only

1753
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 6: thing people care about is how does this election affect

1754
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 6: my life? The reason I was there's.

1755
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 12: Many reasons I was against, but one of them was

1756
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 12: he kept talking about my legacy and I got to

1757
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 12: have a second term, etc. I'm like, yeah, brother, what's

1758
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,959
Speaker 12: your policies? How are you going to help the average American?

1759
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 12: But now we have a team that has a track

1760
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 12: record of helping I mean, you want to talk about

1761
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 12: Tim Walls.

1762
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 6: You're attacking him.

1763
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 12: He's a track record of passing dozens of bills that

1764
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 12: help the average person in Minnesota. That's why he's intensely

1765
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 12: popular in his own state. That's why these bills worked

1766
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 12: because they weren't about ego building for tim walls. They're

1767
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 12: about actually improving the lives of Americans. And Donald Trump

1768
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 12: doesn't have that record. He has a record of what

1769
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 12: he did one giant bill when he was in office,

1770
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 12: enormous corporate tax cuts for his donors, and that's his legacy.

1771
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 6: So he's gonna run on that.

1772
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 12: Oh, I helped all the corporations, so oh, all the

1773
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 12: corporations are my best friends. I gave them all the

1774
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 12: biggest tax breaks and they're all now much richer and

1775
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 12: you guys have to pay more taxes because of it.

1776
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 6: Go ahead, run on that record.

1777
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 12: And I think that it's going to be super obvious

1778
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 12: who people should vote for.

1779
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 6: I think we're gonna win this actually relatively easily. Now.

1780
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,760
Speaker 5: And will any final words, If you've got like one

1781
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 5: minute to talk to this swing voter who was going

1782
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 5: to decide this selection or swing, whether whether it's a

1783
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 5: vote or not vote, might be their swing decision, what

1784
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 5: do you say to them about this pick.

1785
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:17,400
Speaker 16: Like, really, are you better off right now than you

1786
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 16: were under the Trump administration? Economically, the economy was booming

1787
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 16: under Trump and it absolutely crashed under Biden.

1788
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,719
Speaker 6: Inflation is out of control.

1789
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 16: If you would even go to the grocery store, you

1790
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 16: can tell gas prices are out of control. And why

1791
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 16: they're at war with domestic energy. I mean, Kamal Harris

1792
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 16: wants to ban fracking. She said that repeatedly, so you

1793
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 16: have I mean, if you're talking about just core economic

1794
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 16: issues like this, good is this team Harris Walt's going

1795
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 16: to be good for your pocketbook? It's not there. They

1796
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 16: have a slew of bad policies. Meanwhile, you know they're

1797
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 16: trying to portray Trump vance as Romney Ryan. It's a

1798
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 16: different Republican party. This is a pro worker Republican party

1799
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 16: that had the leader of the Teamsters on epic Men.

1800
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 16: You can both be pro worker and not indulge in

1801
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,560
Speaker 16: insane green delusions that kill your economy, and that's what

1802
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:08,719
Speaker 16: the Republicans are all about.

1803
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 3: All right, Well, thanks thanks to both of you, guys.

1804
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, that's an interesting place to end,

1805
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 4: because I think we'll just previewed where Republican messaging will

1806
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 4: want to go. And whether or not Donald Trump carries that,

1807
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 4: you know, successfully, is an open question. Trump and others

1808
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 4: carry that successfully is an open question.

1809
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 3: And how it works against Waltz is an open question.

1810
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 3: So thank you both. It was a very helpful discussion.

1811
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 6: Thank you, guys. Thank you.

1812
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 4: Wesley Bell has defeated Corey Bush in the race for

1813
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 4: Missouri's first districts Democratic primary. He won ended up winning

1814
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 4: by about six points, not five and a half points. Ryan,

1815
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 4: you followed this race really closely. A lot of chatter

1816
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 4: and the media today about what actually happened. I'm not

1817
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 4: convinced that the media knows what actually happened, but I

1818
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 4: am convinced that you know what actually happens.

1819
01:30:58,720 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 3: But please tell us.

1820
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 5: Well, So, I mean, the headline is the you know,

1821
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 5: the squad is now depending on how you count it,

1822
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 5: shrinking from what was eight members at the BA if

1823
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 5: you count summerly in Great Gazar.

1824
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,520
Speaker 4: Should we start crossing people off on your books? Coyeah,

1825
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 4: you can see it. I'm right, Yeah, we got it.

1826
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 5: So, yeah, you've got Corey Bush and Jamal Bowmen. So

1827
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 5: of those six of two of them have lost primaries.

1828
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 5: But have cost a pack a combined total of at

1829
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 5: least twenty five million dollars to knock them out. That's

1830
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 5: seventeen million in Jamal Bowman's race, and now eight million

1831
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 5: dropped on dropped on Corey Busch to win the All

1832
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 5: the votes are not counted yet, but we're looking at

1833
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 5: about sixty three. Yeah, as you see up there, sixty

1834
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 5: three thousand for Wesley Bell pushing fifty six thousand over

1835
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 5: fifty six thousands for Corey Bush.

1836
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,879
Speaker 3: So he ended up being a pretty close.

1837
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 5: Race for you know, as as massively outspent as as

1838
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 5: Corey Busch was. You know, what we learned from the

1839
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 5: Nina Turner race and the Summer Lee race is that

1840
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 5: millions of dollars in camp in spending on TV can

1841
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 5: move the needle roughly twenty to thirty points. It's it's

1842
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 5: it's a dramatic amount that you can kind of push

1843
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 5: the number now if you have. Summer Lee ended up

1844
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 5: winning that race where she dropped twenty five thirty points

1845
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks.

1846
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 3: She won it by a you know, just a few

1847
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 3: thousand votes.

1848
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 5: Nina Turner ended up losing that race by something like

1849
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 5: four thousand votes. Very close, very close race as well.

1850
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 5: But people are not plugged in. People don't have as

1851
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of voters don't have a depth

1852
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 5: of feeling about a candidate such that millions of dollars

1853
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 5: is not going to sway their their choice for that race.

1854
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 5: And so you get a lot of debating about whether

1855
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 5: or not spending APEX spending twenty five million dollar in

1856
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:03,880
Speaker 5: these two races matters, which to me is the craziest

1857
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,639
Speaker 5: question you could ever ask. Like, I get it that

1858
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,799
Speaker 5: people who can afford to give twenty five million dollars

1859
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:12,679
Speaker 5: have enough money that they're not going to be poor

1860
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 5: as a result of giving it, But they still are

1861
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 5: not spending that.

1862
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 3: Money for no reason.

1863
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 5: And it's almost insulting to their intelligence to suggest that

1864
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 5: anybody would spend twenty five million dollars to have no effect,

1865
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 5: Like why would you do that?

1866
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, just buy it.

1867
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,600
Speaker 5: You know, there's things they could spend that money on,

1868
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 5: like an elevator, an elevator for your garage so you

1869
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 5: can move your cars up and down the different Yeah,

1870
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 5: like rommy, Like that would be a cool thing to

1871
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 5: have if you're super rich. Instead, you're going to waste

1872
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 5: it for no reason. On a political campaign, they have

1873
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 5: a lot of money to raise the money. The money matters,

1874
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 5: so and this does not count, by the way, the million,

1875
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 5: we don't know the fine Well, well we can figure

1876
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,599
Speaker 5: out the final total later. But most of the money

1877
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 5: that west Bell raised directly to his campaign was bundled

1878
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 5: a pack and that that money is actually more valuable

1879
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 5: than the eight million. And it's complicated, but not that complicated.

1880
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 5: So if you are a super pac like Apex super

1881
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 5: Pac which is called United Democracy Project, you have to

1882
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 5: pay higher rates for cable television and television advertising, so

1883
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 5: your eight million dollars doesn't go as far as it

1884
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 5: as as it does for the candidate themselves. So the

1885
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 5: candidate gets discounted gets discounted rates. Also, the candidate can

1886
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 5: coordinate because with their own campaign, the candidate can say,

1887
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 5: all right, I want to do you know, a million

1888
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 5: dollars on this channel. I want to do a million

1889
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 5: dollars targeting these voters. I want to do a million

1890
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 5: over here, whereas and these are the exact messages that

1891
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 5: I want to hit. Whereas the super pac is just

1892
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 5: out on its own, you know, running its own polling

1893
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 5: and running its own operation. So for those two reasons,

1894
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 5: the ability to coordinate the money and the discount you

1895
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 5: get on tele vision advertising. It's much better to get

1896
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 5: money directly to the campaign. And APAC raised we'll find

1897
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 5: out in the next couple of weeks, but enormous sum

1898
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 5: directly to Wesley Bell's campaign. And that's on top of

1899
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 5: the eight million dollars that they spent through their superpack.

1900
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:16,800
Speaker 4: And I want to ask you now about how that

1901
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 4: money was spent, because if we look at the polling,

1902
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,639
Speaker 4: this is the next element D two that we put

1903
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 4: this up on the screen, it was absolutely all over

1904
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 4: the place. So this is from five thirty eights sort

1905
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 4: of coalating of the poles. Last one had Bell up

1906
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 4: by six points. Now, these small house races, the polling

1907
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 4: is usually going to be scattered through a lot of

1908
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 4: different time periods of the reliable pulling. At least but

1909
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 4: one before that had Bell up twenty three points late

1910
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 4: June early July. Another one though that was also taken

1911
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 4: in mid June, had Bell only up by one point,

1912
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:51,480
Speaker 4: and then one from all the way back in February

1913
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 4: have Bell by twenty two points. The one constant in

1914
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 4: that is Corey Bush never led in one of those

1915
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 4: serious polls, at least as five thirty eight defines them

1916
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:06,600
Speaker 4: as worthy polls. So how were there wild swings in

1917
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 4: public sentiment as it came to Corey Bush. I think

1918
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 4: probably the likelier story is that these races are just

1919
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 4: really hard to pull, and you know, support for Bell

1920
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 4: was probably around you know, ten plus. Then Corey Bush

1921
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 4: did come in towards the end of the race, and actually,

1922
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 4: if there were poles, finding her down by twenty three

1923
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 4: points made it closer than it probably should have been.

1924
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 4: So what were they talking about? And what was west

1925
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 4: Bell doing with the a PAC money in terms of

1926
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 4: messaging that was weighing on voter's minds yesterday.

1927
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 5: And you know, credit to Mark Mellon who's the head

1928
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 5: of the Melman Group and also the founder of d MFI,

1929
01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 5: which is like basically an a Pack affiliate. Some of

1930
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,600
Speaker 5: these poles are from Yeah there, he's the one that

1931
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 5: did the plus six pole that was in the plus

1932
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 5: foio and the plus one pole and I think those

1933
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 5: are those look pretty accurate. Like he's so he's a

1934
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 5: polster and also runs DMFI uh which was which was

1935
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 5: the which was the super pac that was running before

1936
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 5: APAC developed its own super pack and it still runs

1937
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 5: in Democratic primaries.

1938
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:10,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

1939
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 5: What Corey Bush was hitting Wessey Belt with everything in

1940
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 5: the kitchen sink, including in some in one of her

1941
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 5: final ads, attacking him for sleeping with subordinates as a prosecutor,

1942
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,640
Speaker 5: as a he was a kind of reformist kind of

1943
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 5: Soros back to d a in in Saint Louis. He got,

1944
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 5: he got sued. He was able, Uh, he was able

1945
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:39,640
Speaker 5: to or for some reason the lawsuit that would have

1946
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Speaker 5: involved a lot of dirty laundry being aired was delayed

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Speaker 5: past the election. Uh, and it was scheduled to take

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Speaker 5: place maybe six eight weeks ago or so, and on

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Speaker 5: the day of the hearing it was then postponed. So

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Speaker 5: that that really helped Wesley Bell because he was he's

1951
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Speaker 5: getting based that he's getting sued by.

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Speaker 3: Women in his office who either fired or who quit.

1953
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Speaker 5: And are making all sorts of allegations and maybe those

1954
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Speaker 5: will come out a year from now and we'll get

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Speaker 5: a Cory Bush Wesley Bell rematch at a Jamal Bowman

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Speaker 5: Richie Torres race.

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Speaker 4: Well, how did how did Belle successfully sort of.

1958
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Speaker 5: The same playbook that he's that that they went after

1959
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Speaker 5: summerly with that they went to Jamal Bowman with at

1960
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Speaker 5: Corey Bush is a radical, she's out of step with Democrats.

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Speaker 3: Even as a reformist prosecutor. He was able to sort

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Speaker 3: of make that argument.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's yeah, because I mean, being a reformist prosecutor

1964
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Speaker 5: in Saint Louis is very popular among Democrats.

1965
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, just just the ads.

1966
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Speaker 5: None of the ads, to your point, were about Israel Palestine.

1967
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Speaker 5: Apex spent in the twenty five million dollars they spent

1968
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Speaker 5: on these two races, all most zero was spent talking

1969
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Speaker 5: about Israel Palestine. There was one ad that Apax super

1970
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Speaker 5: Pac ran shortly after October seventh where they came after

1971
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Speaker 5: Corey Bush and they mentioned and it was about Israel

1972
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Speaker 5: Palestine and you know, basically calling her Hama supporter. And

1973
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Speaker 5: that was before Wesley Bell had even jumped in the race.

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Speaker 5: And we can talk about this if we have this

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Speaker 5: this audio that we published over at drop site News.

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Speaker 5: Wesley Bell was originally running for Senate and there were

1977
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Speaker 5: rumors last summer that that were published in this in

1978
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Speaker 5: the Saint Louis Post Dispatch that he was actually running

1979
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Speaker 5: for Senate to raise his name identification so that he

1980
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Speaker 5: could then jump into the race against Corey Bush and

1981
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Speaker 5: benefit from all of the super Pac spending that is

1982
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Speaker 5: always there to go against anybody in the squad. After

1983
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Speaker 5: October seventh, that that that level of.

1984
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Speaker 3: Money that was available increased. So he called.

1985
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Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 5: He called Corey Bush after the Saint Louis Paper had

1987
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Speaker 5: said that he was thinking about doing this and and

1988
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Speaker 5: swore to her that that absolutely was not happening.

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Speaker 3: We do we have that audio if we run that.

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Speaker 4: There's some stuff that I know because I just just

1991
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Speaker 4: just his game.

1992
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Speaker 6: Long enough bills are there. Their Hollman is the heck

1993
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Speaker 6: he is.

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Speaker 11: In the in the proof of.

1995
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Speaker 13: It is name one legitimate reported at one.

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Speaker 6: They eat it close to that and this is stupid, exactly. No,

1997
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Speaker 6: you're right, you're right, you're right.

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Speaker 12: Don't big, don't big, don't be big for even a

1999
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Speaker 12: second that that's the case. And I'm telling you right now,

2000
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Speaker 12: I'm telling you my word, not running.

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Speaker 3: Soren.

2002
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Speaker 4: This is audio a Bell telling Bush that Holloman was

2003
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Speaker 4: a quote hack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

2005
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Speaker 5: So basically, so basically what he's said, what's going on?

2006
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Speaker 5: So basically what he says is that the author of

2007
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Speaker 5: the piece is a total hack. Everybody believes he's a hack.

2008
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 5: The reporter should not be believed. There's no chance. Don't think

2009
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Speaker 5: for even a second that that's the case. I'm telling

2010
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Speaker 5: you right now, I'm telling you on my word, i

2011
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Speaker 5: am not running against you. That is not happening. And

2012
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Speaker 5: Corey Bush says, well, you know, I'm just thinking. You know,

2013
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Speaker 5: Steve Roberts, who ran against her last time, had said

2014
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Speaker 5: the same thing, and but that he wouldn't run against her,

2015
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Speaker 5: he wouldn't jump from one race to another.

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Speaker 3: But he did.

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Speaker 5: And he's like, I'm no Steve Roberts. He says, I

2018
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Speaker 5: ain't no Steve Roberts. Steve Roberts then ended up endorsing

2019
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Speaker 5: Westy Bell. So anyway, so shockingly he lied to her

2020
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Speaker 5: and then jumped into the race. But we could see

2021
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 5: a rematch in twenty twenty six, who knows, we'll see what.

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01:41:57,360 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 3: And Corey Bush got attacked.

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Speaker 5: For for paying her husband to do security that that

2024
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 5: that quote unquote scan.

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Speaker 4: Her now husband, right, while also being a defund the

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01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 4: police type progressive it was that was a big item

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Speaker 4: in conservative media.

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Speaker 3: Right, that wouldn't have mattered. It is hard, but.

2029
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and also like the whole premise of the movie,

2030
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 5: Bodyguard is about falling in So I don't see how.

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01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 3: Everybody loves that.

2032
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 4: Well, I just mean for your average voter there, if

2033
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 4: there's a sense or an aura of kind of drama

2034
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,680
Speaker 4: and chaos around someone, that can someone else comes in

2035
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 4: and says, you know, I'm a no drama.

2036
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 3: Obama or whatever it is.

2037
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 4: It's that can that can actually hurt someone if there's

2038
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 4: a lot of like scandal and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was that was Yes, Corey Bush is causing

2040
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 5: too much chaos.

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01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:44,759
Speaker 3: I mean like it's about her.

2042
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 16: And this.

2043
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Speaker 4: So Crystalin and I back at the Hill, Uh interviewed

2044
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 4: Corey Bush the morning after she won her primary. So yeah,

2045
01:42:58,520 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 4: that was a while.

2046
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Speaker 3: It feels like a while ago.

2047
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Speaker 4: And I just have always been frustrated on some of

2048
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 4: the conservative attacks on court Bush because there's she's I'm

2049
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,080
Speaker 4: very curious about her future because I think she falls

2050
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Speaker 4: into sort of whatever the we talk about red meat

2051
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 4: maybe blue meat. I think she falls into that sometimes.

2052
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 4: But she's also a more interesting person than some people give.

2053
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Speaker 3: Her credit for. Extremely interesting.

2054
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Speaker 4: Yeah, here's where her future goes.

2055
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:24,679
Speaker 3: I hope we haven't heard the last of her.

2056
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 4: Ryan in the UK, the Southampton fallout, the tragedy that

2057
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 4: happened in Southampton continues to rock the United Kingdom. Protests

2058
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Speaker 4: are erupting all over London, and Elon Musk is of

2059
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 4: course playing very close attention to geopolitics, as he always does.

2060
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Speaker 4: Worth noting in literally every discussion of Elon Musk and

2061
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Speaker 4: foreign policy that he is a defense contractor, so let's

2062
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Speaker 4: keep that in mind.

2063
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Speaker 3: It's not quite as.

2064
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Speaker 4: Relevant here as it is when he weighs in on

2065
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Speaker 4: Israel or Taiwan and China, but always worth noting here.

2066
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Speaker 4: Now Elon Musk has been all over let's actually just

2067
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Speaker 4: put e one up on the screen. This is an

2068
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Speaker 4: article from Politico Europe. The headline is UKPM slams Elon

2069
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Speaker 4: Musk for saying fire right riots for quote inevitable. So

2070
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 4: a spokesperson for Prime Minister kre Starmer came out and

2071
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:21,640
Speaker 4: said there was quote no justification for Elon Musk continuing

2072
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Speaker 4: to say that Europe is heading towards a civil.

2073
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Speaker 3: War, that the.

2074
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Speaker 4: Labor parties policies and actually the Conservative parties policies over

2075
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,680
Speaker 4: the last decade plus. And this is something that a

2076
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Speaker 4: lot of excellent writers have pointed out at Unheard where

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Speaker 4: I work now that those policies were inevitably The word

2078
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Speaker 4: inevitable has been used a lot in these conversations. Were

2079
01:44:44,200 --> 01:44:47,120
Speaker 4: inevitably going to come to this climax? If it is

2080
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 4: a climax, Elon Musk seems to think there's more to come,

2081
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 4: full civil war, to come to the point where.

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Speaker 3: Let's put up this next element.

2083
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:58,839
Speaker 4: This is yeah, so he says to care Starmer, shouldn't

2084
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 4: you be concerned about a tax on all communities? When

2085
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 4: Starmer says we will not tolerate attacks on mosques or

2086
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 4: on Muslim communities, this is in reference to the riots

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Speaker 4: that have broken out after uh there was there were

2088
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Speaker 4: killings of children in Southampton that were initially attributed to

2089
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Speaker 4: like immigrants. It turned out that it was the child

2090
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Speaker 4: of immigrants, so a British we know so far.

2091
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Speaker 5: Was what originally circulated on social media and heavily on Twitter,

2092
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 5: was that it was an illegal Muslim that stabbed.

2093
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Speaker 3: These and killed these three little girls.

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Speaker 5: It turned out it was a Christian who was born

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Speaker 5: in Wales to Rwanda, to Rwandan parents, to Rwandan parents,

2096
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,720
Speaker 5: and the UK took the step of actually putting out

2097
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,200
Speaker 5: like look, no, like this is this is who did this?

2098
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Speaker 3: This is miss This is misinformation.

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Speaker 5: Regardless it it would not justify lynch mobs going through

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Speaker 5: the street trying to beat, trying to eat up Muslims

2101
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 5: throughout throughout the UK. Yeah, gosh, nothing and Elon Musk's

2102
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Speaker 5: like to attempt to like both sides it there is.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't do justice to the reality of the situation that it.

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Speaker 5: That is, like the rampaging mobs are in general like racist,

2106
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Speaker 5: anti immigrant folks going after Muslims and refuge and asylum seekers.

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Speaker 4: Well, what's happened is anybody who looks Muslim In the

2108
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Speaker 4: aftermath of the original outbreak of protests against Muslim communities

2109
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Speaker 4: in the UK, Muslim communities have responded to them and

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Speaker 4: there has been I mean there genuinely now has been

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Speaker 4: outbreaks of unrest on quite literally both sides. That's not

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Speaker 4: where what it started with though, was this. I guess

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Speaker 4: a lot of people this is has also justified Cure

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Speaker 4: Starmer's horrific policies of calling for more facial recognition and

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Speaker 4: more surveillance of social media, more censorship of social media,

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Speaker 4: because there was disinformation that circulated on social media and

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Speaker 4: seems to have provoked some of the response. But a

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Speaker 4: newsflash to our technocrats in the EU and in Westminster.

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01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,879
Speaker 4: This is going to people will spread disinformation at pubs

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Speaker 4: and bars, whether or not there's mother efing Twitter for

2121
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Speaker 4: them to spread the disinformation on. They will still organize.

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Speaker 4: People have organized mobs for a long time before social

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Speaker 4: media came along. Disinformation is not something that you can

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Speaker 4: technocratically completely suppress. It's not going away, no matter how

2125
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Speaker 4: how many you know civil liberties you clamp down on.

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Speaker 5: But Elon musk Oh, go ahead, yeah, no, I mentioned

2127
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Speaker 5: this on the show yesterday. But if it's it's it's

2128
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Speaker 5: an interesting historical fact to your point that pick pick

2129
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Speaker 5: a pick a riot or revolution and uprising that you're

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01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 5: familiar with, uh, and then go search like the origin

2131
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Speaker 5: of how it happened.

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Speaker 3: World War One, and it almost all war or a

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Speaker 3: world war.

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Speaker 5: It almost always was based on something that wasn't actually accurate.

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Speaker 3: You're going to do the British take on the American Revolution?

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that one too, right, maybe the Boston massacre

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Speaker 5: and the Party some of that, Yeah, but yes, but

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Speaker 5: what you always also find is that these structural conditions

2139
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Speaker 5: were in place for something to set off what came.

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Speaker 5: So it's true that yes, usually it's misinformation and hundreds

2141
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Speaker 5: of years ago predated Twitter or.

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Speaker 3: Some mutation, but it also doesn't.

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Speaker 5: It also doesn't justify algorithms pushing like obviously false things

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Speaker 5: in front of people's faces, like like where where's the

2145
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 5: community note? Like where where's this?

2146
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,439
Speaker 4: Like that's why we should get rid of algorithms. Go

2147
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,719
Speaker 4: back to old Twitter, where it was just your timeline

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Speaker 4: and the and it wasn't put its thumb on the scale.

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Speaker 3: And just to hear from your friends.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and you know you can be like okay,

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Speaker 4: so five minutes ago because this is further down in

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Speaker 4: my feed someone said this. Now you know, five minutes

2153
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 4: later and this is the new post, and you can

2154
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:16,719
Speaker 4: like make your human being with you know, a brain.

2155
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,280
Speaker 4: You know, not everybody is going to be brilliant at

2156
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Speaker 4: making those judgments, but uh, it's it's better than Twitter's

2157
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Speaker 4: like algorithm making.

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Speaker 3: The judgments for right.

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Speaker 5: And also the mob didn't care when they were like,

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Speaker 5: actually it's a Christian from Wales who had rewarded parents.

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Speaker 3: It's a good point. That's a really whatever we're rampaging well.

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Speaker 4: And the broader point is that the levels of migration

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Speaker 4: to the UK have been unsustainable.

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Speaker 3: So that's what this like, which.

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Speaker 5: Again, as I mentioned before, it they have a channel

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Speaker 5: and water around them.

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Speaker 3: It's also good luck with the wall.

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Speaker 4: Also a very problematic birth rate, as you have talked

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Speaker 4: about before. So there's questions about all of that baked

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Speaker 4: into this, but basically there's this broader argument that is

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Speaker 4: not just shared by people on the kind of for

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Speaker 4: far right, so called far right, but also increasingly people

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Speaker 4: on the left that look at this and say this

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Speaker 4: has been unsustainable over the last decade. And there's a

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Speaker 4: very necessary conversation about how neoliberal wars pushed these migration

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Speaker 4: waves into Europe and to the United States. But the

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Speaker 4: sort of downstream effect of that has been really high

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Speaker 4: levels of migration from places that have values that are

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Speaker 4: different than Western values, and that is going to whether

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Speaker 4: it was Western people coming to their countries or people

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Speaker 4: that have different values coming to the UK. You're putting

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Speaker 4: two very different cultures together in confined spaces. What did

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Speaker 4: you think was going to happen? That's what Musk is saying,

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Speaker 4: and we can put E three up on the screen.

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Speaker 4: We tease this earlier in the show, but when Eli

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Speaker 4: Musk is repeatedly tweeting about how civil wars coming through Europe.

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Speaker 4: It gets before it becomes a fine line between prediction

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Speaker 4: and what did you say, Ryan provocation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, civil wars brewing.

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Speaker 4: Europe appears to be head of her civil war. These

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Speaker 4: are actually all from last year, like from after October seventh,

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Speaker 4: so late October to early November last year. But Elon

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Speaker 4: Musk is very convinced that civil war is coming to Europe.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: Are increasingly convinced that civil war is coming, not just

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Speaker 4: to Europe but to the broader West. And anytime you

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Speaker 4: have outbreaks of civil unrest like this in ways that

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Speaker 4: people have not been used to in the last you know,

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Speaker 4: if you grew up in the eighties and nineties, this

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Speaker 4: might feel unfamiliar, even though there has been a lot

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Speaker 4: of civil unrest.

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Speaker 5: If he would have said Bangladesh, she'd be looking so

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Speaker 5: precient right now, civil war coming to Bangladesh. But he

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Speaker 5: keeps saying about America too. Yeah, he's invested in this.

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Speaker 5: He's one of those guys like and hopefully not literally right.

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Speaker 5: It's hard sometimes to know what people like him mean

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Speaker 5: when they say civil war do they really mean? Because

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Speaker 5: when we think of civil wars like we think of

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Speaker 5: like armies that are fighting each other over you know,

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Speaker 5: pre dominance within a country. He does, he mean mobs rampaging,

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Speaker 5: stabbing each other, beating each other what degree? If that's

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Speaker 5: all he means, then okay, I guess England's got one.

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Speaker 4: Now there's clearly a cultural war, and as the culture

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Speaker 4: war civil war when to this example, the child of

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Speaker 4: these Rwandan immigrants was from Wales, it was not quote

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Speaker 4: unquote foreign. So then it does kind of become the

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Speaker 4: argument that it's right, that's true, but it does become

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Speaker 4: civil war if it's internice because of these people who

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Speaker 4: are born with all of the rights as citizens.

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Speaker 3: Well again we're getting to the Whales distinction.

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Speaker 4: But let's just hypothetically say it is from London all

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Speaker 4: of the same rights as you white Londoner. That that

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Speaker 4: means these values are just as I mean, that's what

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Speaker 4: uh is what a lot of people would say. These

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Speaker 4: values are just as as British as your values. So

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Speaker 4: is it a hot civil war? Is it a cold

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Speaker 4: civil war? I think is an open question. Does it

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Speaker 4: keep rupturing into civil unrest like this or is it managed?

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Speaker 4: And you know, is it managed in a way that

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Speaker 4: becomes better or worse. That's the question. I do think

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Speaker 4: at least the premise that there's a war or a

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Speaker 4: clash is obviously true, but whether that becomes something much

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Speaker 4: much worse and much much darker is not yet determined.

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Speaker 5: I hope we manage our imperial decline better, yes, than

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Speaker 5: the British managed there is maybe we need to look

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Speaker 5: into the Dutch imperial decline. They seem to have managed

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Speaker 5: it pretty well. Like they seem pretty I guess it's

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Speaker 5: they have enough distance from their imperial decline also tiny.

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Speaker 3: That they're kind of comfy with it.

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Speaker 5: But I mean they were absolutely massive and destructive and

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Speaker 5: lately they they caused a lot of misery for a

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Speaker 5: long stretch time.

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Speaker 3: Their borders now at least, and they did collapse pretty badly.

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Speaker 5: So so Elon Musk though announced if we can put

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Speaker 5: up this this final element that Johnald Trump announced sorry

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Speaker 5: that he that he's going to be doing a quote

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Speaker 5: major interview with Elon Musk. Details to follow. My guess

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Speaker 5: is that he will do this on spaces.

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Speaker 3: Santis though.

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Speaker 5: What an absolute disaster that that DeSantis one was.

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Speaker 4: When you know Trump doesn't put up with that stuff. Like,

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01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 4: even if the lights are wrong in a room, he'll

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01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 4: be like, turn the lights off, they're too bright.

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Speaker 3: He does not put up with port production.

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Speaker 4: At the NABG thing, the National Assession of Black Journalist

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Speaker 4: thing last week, when the audio was bad, it was

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Speaker 4: driving him visibly crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Right, He's been doing a top shelf like production work,

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Speaker 5: celebrity apprentice, et cetera for too long to be putting

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Speaker 5: up with lousy audio.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't like it. So that tells us Spaces has advanced.

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Speaker 5: We'll find out. We'll see Elon Musk do not screw

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Speaker 5: this up. Trump's gonna be very mad at you.

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Speaker 4: But Elon Musk says, even he denied the forty five

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Speaker 4: million monthly thing, he says he's pledged I think like

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Speaker 4: one hundred and.

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Speaker 3: Eighty million something like that.

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Speaker 4: It's it's nebulous what we actually know about it to

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Speaker 4: the trumpere election campaigns. So for that kind of money, maybe

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Speaker 4: you put up with that audio, or you put up

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Speaker 4: with a glitching Spaces. But it does solidify I guess

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Speaker 4: it should solidify the new or union between Trump and Musk.

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Speaker 4: With the new alliance between Trump and Musk, Trump is

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Speaker 4: now pro electric vehicles. He was in a tesla. Did

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Speaker 4: you see his cyber Trek interview.

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Speaker 3: He hates electric he hates evs.

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Speaker 4: And now he loves them, and he said he's openly

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Speaker 4: said he has to love them because of Elon, which

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Speaker 4: is like a perfect Trump and construction.

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Speaker 5: On that note, also, can we bask in the delicious

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01:55:55,080 --> 01:55:59,360
Speaker 5: irony of Elon Musk saying that he was taking over

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01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:02,400
Speaker 5: Twitter because he was mad about the election interference and

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01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:05,720
Speaker 5: it's now just like wildly tilting it towards Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: in the.

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Speaker 3: Last few months of an election. That's kind of funny.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, Also, I wanted to bask in him saying major

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Speaker 4: interview because it reminds me of Christmas story where he

2290
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 4: says he's won a major award and it's the.

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Speaker 3: Leg lamp Major Interview, Major Awards, the same thing. On

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Speaker 3: that note, that's the end of Counterpoint. Hope it goes

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Speaker 3: better for him than than the leg lamp did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that is a great note to end today's

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Speaker 4: episode on. Just a really bad joke from me. This

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Speaker 4: is perfect, pitch perfect. But thank you everybody for tuning

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Speaker 4: in and continuing to tune in Breaking Points dot Com

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Speaker 4: You get all of counterpoints, which is nice. We don't

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Speaker 4: you get access to every segment, as opposed to the

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Speaker 4: few that get posted to the YouTube.

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Speaker 3: We were posting them all now, oh well I might

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Speaker 3: as well. They're all good, I go. I promise you

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Speaker 3: don't want to miss a single one.

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Speaker 4: I promise they're all good. Yeah, we listen, We're always on.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. I never missed leg day. All right,

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Speaker 3: see you guys.

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Speaker 6: Don