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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to the Sean Headed Show. It's Jordan

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Speaker 1: Secular from the ACLJ. We've been hosted the broadcasting. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to Sean and his team for assisting us with that.

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Speaker 1: Our team as well. You know what issue we talked

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Speaker 1: so much about the border. We talk about the consequences

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Speaker 1: from having a poorest border. You look at the news,

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Speaker 1: you see the deaths from Fincanyl, celebrity deaths from Finntal,

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Speaker 1: celebrity family members, death from fincantl. You hear about trafficking

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Speaker 1: of humans. And we talk about all these sub issues

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Speaker 1: of the problem of having a poorest border. But sometimes

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Speaker 1: we kind of just talk about them and move on,

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Speaker 1: and we kind of say, this is why we need

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Speaker 1: to do X and Y. But we don't realize that

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Speaker 1: law enforcement is having to deal with all these situations

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Speaker 1: and overwhelmed in many cases, whether it's the drug crisis

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Speaker 1: in America we know is overwhelming, the crime crisis in America,

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Speaker 1: we know that it's overwhelming. And the issues that honestly

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Speaker 1: we've been working on for decades at the ACLJ, people

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Speaker 1: don't always love. Sometimes they want to turn off because

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Speaker 1: they just don't want to hear about it. Is the

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Speaker 1: fact that child trafficking is not just an international issue.

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Speaker 1: It happens in third world countries. It's happening right on

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Speaker 1: your your neighborhood in America, all across the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a big movie out right now that's

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Speaker 3: dealing with that. But we're fortunate to have a good

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Speaker 3: friend of ours in the studio with us. Father Peter

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Speaker 3: Sparrow is a Greek orthodo o's priest here in Nashville, Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: but he also works with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation

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Speaker 3: on the issue of child and sex trafficking, and also

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Speaker 3: our senior Counsel and the Economy who also has served

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Speaker 3: as an assistant distric attorney and a state's attorney general

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Speaker 3: and a US attorney and has dealt with this issue.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to both of you for being here, Father Peter,

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Speaker 3: I wanted to start with you because one of the

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Speaker 3: things we wanted to do on this segment of the

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Speaker 3: broadcast is bring this home about how when we talk

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Speaker 3: about sex trafficking, human trafficking, what are we in child trafficking?

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Speaker 3: What are we talking about? What kind of numbers are

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Speaker 3: we talking about? What kind of situation is this?

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Speaker 4: Well, the numbers are we can't really quantify all the

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Speaker 4: numbers because there's so many different unreported cases.

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Speaker 2: So but I will give.

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Speaker 4: You some I talked to our special agent assistants special

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Speaker 4: Agent charge last night, and I'm going to just give

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Speaker 4: you some.

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Speaker 2: Statistics here real quick.

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Speaker 4: The TBI in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen had seven

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Speaker 4: hundred and twenty two hotline calls in the entire year.

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Speaker 4: Today is one hundred and eighty seventh day of the year,

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Speaker 4: and we've had six hundred and forty nine tips already

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Speaker 2: So we're are coming in from citizens, They're.

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Speaker 4: Coming in from all different places. There's hotlines, there's law enforcement.

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Speaker 4: We do sting operations at TBI. They've done seven sting

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Speaker 4: operations this year. They've had sixteen arrests directly from TBI,

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Speaker 4: and then they work to assist other law enforcement agencies

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Speaker 4: too to also get additional arrests done. But sex trafficking,

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Speaker 4: and it is one aspect of trafficking, and I think

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Speaker 4: that's the one that gets the most bandwidth, especially with

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Speaker 4: TBI is focused on sex trafficking, especially with juveniles.

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Speaker 2: Too. So when we say juvenals, you're talking about young kids.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking from birth to redulthood. So I went to

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Speaker 4: a conference in Greece in February which was an international

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Speaker 4: human trafficking conference, and some of the international issues for

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Speaker 4: trafficking is not only sex trafficking, it's not only labor,

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Speaker 4: but they have organ trafficking, which is a frightening, frightening

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Speaker 4: situation where humans are being picked, selected, taken, their organs

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Speaker 4: are being removed from them unwillingly many times, or some

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Speaker 4: even sell their organs for a better life and then

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Speaker 4: Surrogate mothers, so not only prostitution, but they might take

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Speaker 4: for specific type of blue eyed, blonde child, and they

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Andy, You've been a prosecutor

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Speaker 3: for a long time, and we talked about this on

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Speaker 3: affects every community.

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Speaker 2: If you're near an expressway, you're witnessing this, Well, you.

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Speaker 5: Are, Jay, and that's exactly right. I was an assistant

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Speaker 5: district attorney in the Brunswick Judicial Circuit in Florida, and

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Speaker 5: that was the circuit through which I ninety five flows.

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Speaker 5: I ninety five is a major artery in the United States.

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Speaker 5: It goes from Florida all the way to Maine, and

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Speaker 5: trafficking occurs on that And I've prosecuted trafficking cases, and

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Speaker 5: it involves minors. As Father Peter said, we're talking about

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Speaker 5: children from birth, literally from birth on, who are trafficked

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Speaker 5: and used as human slave traffic. And I've seen this

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Speaker 5: in rage that we conducted near the the Navy base

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Speaker 2: Father Peter.

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Speaker 3: So much of this was focused, I think incorrectly over

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Speaker 3: And rather than realizing that the individual you're prosecuting is

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Speaker 4: Here absolutely so in different scenarios where they pick up

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Speaker 4: Instead of just saying you're arrested for prostitution, they say,

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Speaker 4: where are you from, what's your background, They look at

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Speaker 4: the age, they look at all these key questions that

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Speaker 4: they now ask people. But that's also in the development

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Speaker 4: of the understanding of what human trafficking is as well,

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Speaker 4: because a lot of people, when you speak to them

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Speaker 4: and coercion of a person against their will and selling

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Speaker 4: a person in what would be considered today, And many

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people probably want to know, is

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Speaker 1: it cartels? Is that the kind of grips the same

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Speaker 1: groups that are moving drugs. Are these specific to trafficking

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Speaker 4: There are some big operations and that we see that statistically,

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Speaker 4: and you know, the statistics are kind of all over

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Speaker 4: the place. So some people will say there's twenty seven

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Speaker 4: up to forty million.

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Speaker 2: But I mean say that number again. Do some say

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Speaker 4: Million, twenty seven million worldwide? Up to forty two million,

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Speaker 4: they say there's between fifteen and seventeen thousand a year

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Speaker 4: in the United States. But trafficking has really taken a

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Speaker 4: difference or moved to a different way of understanding it

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Speaker 4: because a lot of times people think it was just

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Speaker 4: so we have all these websites, We have marginalized people,

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Speaker 4: We have people with issues of domestic violence, of you know,

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Speaker 4: all kinds of mental dysfunctions.

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Speaker 2: And they did they become the target of.

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Speaker 4: These absolutely because they go into these chat rooms or

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Speaker 4: they find people that befriend them and say, hey, I

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Speaker 2: I can help you.

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Speaker 4: And then most traffic victims are walking literally out the

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Speaker 3: Now day, you and I did a case for the

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Speaker 3: as you just said, Father Peter would meet. And yet

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Speaker 3: they hired lawyers that argue the First Amendment challenge to

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Speaker 3: the Georgia statute prohibiting this. We won the case at

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Speaker 3: the Georgia Supreme Court, I will add that, but these

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Speaker 2: Oh really they do.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Jay, you argued that case before the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 5: and I was a very high paid lawyer from Texas.

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Speaker 5: I believe it goes around the country. But he had

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Speaker 5: defending these kinds of cases and these kinds of criminals.

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Speaker 5: And I think that the point is that the traffickers

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Speaker 5: of the people who are the oppressed and who are

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Speaker 5: be vigilant to this happening all over the country.

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Speaker 2: By the way, and we do that work at the

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think listen, what are the issues that you

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Speaker 2: That would then boost this entire trade.

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Speaker 3: You can, Father, Peter, you come from a law enforcement

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Speaker 3: background addition to being member of the clergy. When you look,

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Speaker 3: I know that at the TBI, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation,

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Speaker 3: which is the state investigative agency. This is a big issue.

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Speaker 3: Is this a national issue now where states are really

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think more and more it comes more to

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Speaker 4: and the mechanisms to actually help weren't there either. And

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Speaker 4: I think we still have an issue with victims coming

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Speaker 4: because the infrastructure is not as good as it could be,

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Speaker 4: especially on a global scale. And I heard that when

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Speaker 3: We only have a couple of minutes here, but I

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Speaker 3: think this is important. How do you when you got

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Speaker 3: most important thing in your view that can be done

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Speaker 3: right now in this issue?

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Speaker 2: Education? Awareness, awareness, and education. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I had started just recently a PROTECT program through TBI,

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Speaker 4: which is prevention response offering trafficking education, collaboration and training

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Speaker 4: for faith based organizations.

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Speaker 2: So it's a free service that we offer through.

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Speaker 4: The Chaplain Division at TBI that is to help pastors

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Speaker 4: you have a twenty percent chance of being trafficked. So

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Speaker 1: if we find these cases and expose this is protecting

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Speaker 1: your kids too. Because these administrators figure out, oh no,

442
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Speaker 1: I can have my career over, I could go to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually scares them. Actually they can financially ruin me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I should have an assault and battery charge against me.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's absolutely necessary because when you need that again,

446
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Speaker 6: you need that exposure out there. And yeah, couldn't get

447
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Speaker 6: you in trouble at your job as it becomes a

448
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Speaker 6: national news story and guess what, it probably ruined your career,

449
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Speaker 6: you know what. They don't want it on an entity program, right, Yeah,

450
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Speaker 6: when millions of people are listening and hearing this each

451
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Speaker 6: and every day, saying with our broadcast that they hear it,

452
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Speaker 6: that it gets exposed and then we actually can shine

453
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Speaker 6: a light on it, not just through a YouTube video

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Speaker 6: which is excellent, but also you can take them the court.

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Speaker 2: You know we have.

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Speaker 3: There was another case. We had another student case. This kid,

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Speaker 3: you know, young kid had a a an after school

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Speaker 3: Bible study program for kids. They gave the kids a

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Speaker 3: cross and this kid, this kid had a cross on

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Speaker 3: and he's wearing the cross. And when wearing the cross,

461
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Speaker 3: here's what happens. This just shows you how ridiculous is

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Speaker 3: The teacher said that she takes the cross offs off

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Speaker 3: him and says that you had to steal that cross.

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Speaker 2: Because these were underprivileged kids couldn't afford it.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't afford that nice cross. Ends up being that

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Speaker 3: the after yeah, accuse him of being a thief. After

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Speaker 3: school program gave the crosses to the kid one of

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Speaker 3: those parents, by the way, in the after school program

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Speaker 3: on the school board. Okay, but what makes it even

470
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Speaker 3: more interesting when we tie the legal in with the media.

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Speaker 3: Here's where it works. So eventually we do a preservation letter.

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Speaker 3: We tell the school district do not get rid of

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Speaker 3: any videotapes. They said he was slinging the cross around

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Speaker 3: with his hand, violent that he was creating a disturbance

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Speaker 3: in this school. So of course there's video in all

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Speaker 3: these schools, right, So we send a preservation letter saying,

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Speaker 3: don't you destroy that video because we're going to court

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Speaker 3: and we want that video. Well, they hemmed and hanned

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Speaker 3: for weeks about letting us see the video, and then

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Speaker 3: the video comes to light, and you know what, it

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Speaker 3: shows The kid had the cross on the entire time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, And that's that is sort of a pushback

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Speaker 6: tappening alone these schools a lot of times they definitely

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Speaker 6: don't want to show you the footage. That is one

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Speaker 6: of the big things. You know, there is footage. We

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Speaker 6: know there are cameras at almost every school, but for

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Speaker 6: some reason they push back at privacy.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is, they'll come up with.

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Speaker 6: Some excuse, but also because they know most of the

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Speaker 6: time will vindicate the student.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they also did that during COVID where the

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Speaker 1: kids were having to do the schools classes remote and

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Speaker 1: they were telling the parents.

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Speaker 2: We don't want you looking in. Don't listen to what

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Speaker 2: we're saying. No, so we saw that we've also got

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Speaker 2: a case. This is what I think.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you want to contact us, or you

498
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Speaker 1: ever feel like you've got you're right are being violated,

499
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Speaker 1: you just go to ACLJ dot org slash help. And

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Speaker 1: I always tell people, don't think your case is too small.

501
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Speaker 1: Here's an example of another one that is very important

502
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Speaker 1: to fight for because most people won't fight back. It's

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Speaker 1: just the bottom line. Truth is they just want to

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Speaker 1: shrug their shoulders and move on. But when you don't

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Speaker 1: fight back, you lose your rights, and suddenly, over time,

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Speaker 1: if you don't fight back at all, courts start looking

507
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Speaker 1: the other way, people start looking the other way. You

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Speaker 1: kind of also even lose in the court of public opinion.

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Speaker 1: This individually had a Trump sticker on his personal vehicle.

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Speaker 1: He's a volunteer at a state park in Washington State.

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Speaker 1: When he is a volunteer, when he's working for the

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Speaker 1: state park, he's never been accused of talking about as

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Speaker 1: politics takes people on tours. Literally, someone saw his truck

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Speaker 1: and complained and said, you know, I don't like seeing

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Speaker 1: that truck here, and they told him you can no

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Speaker 1: longer volunteer here. You also lost your He had a

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Speaker 1: job working for them when he drove another vehicle that

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Speaker 1: he did not have stickers on because it was on

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Speaker 1: it was a work vehicle. And so this was because

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Speaker 1: of his personal car, and they ban him from volunteering

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Speaker 1: at the park, fire him from his job for a

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Speaker 1: bumper sticker. Now, a lot of folks now are too

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Speaker 1: scared to put bumper stickers on. I always say, I

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Speaker 1: think we have to be. We have to prove a

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Speaker 1: point for those of us who tell people how to

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Speaker 1: get involved in politics, get involved in these things. We

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Speaker 1: can't be afraid of putt the bumper sticker on our car.

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Speaker 1: You got to kind of live it and own it.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to tell other people to do that.

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Speaker 2: I always do that. Election here.

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Speaker 1: You know, we get a couple of months out or

532
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Speaker 1: a couple a month out, we know who a nominee is.

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Speaker 1: I'm put that nominee on the back of my car

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Speaker 1: because I'm telling a bunch of other people they should

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Speaker 1: be doing that. But people are afraid now. I don't

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Speaker 1: have to worry about that at my job, but people

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Speaker 1: are afraid now if they put a bumper sticker on

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Speaker 1: their personal vehicle, they could lose their job. They can

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Speaker 1: lose their opportunity just to volunteer and give back to

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Speaker 1: their community. So we represent him against that's against the

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Speaker 1: state of Washington. And then I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: this case, which is horrific. So we have two pro lifers, folks,

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Speaker 1: and these are what they're called sidewalk counselors. They hand

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Speaker 1: out literature in front of abortion clinics. They don't block access,

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Speaker 1: they don't hinder people, they don't cause problems. Two guys,

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Speaker 1: older guys, been doing it for decades in.

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Speaker 3: Baltimore, Maryland, and they get attacked by a pro abortion

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Speaker 3: individual who's still on the loose by the way, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about just attacked, I mean put in

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Speaker 3: the hospital, kicked on the ground. This one of the

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Speaker 3: guys was almost eighty years old. And first effort we

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Speaker 3: had to do was to put media pressure on and

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Speaker 3: legal pressure of course too, but media pressure also on

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Speaker 3: the police department in Baltimore to get them to get

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Speaker 3: because they got a lot of problems in Baltimore, to

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Speaker 3: get them to look for the individual. We finally got

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Speaker 3: an all points bulletin release and a video.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's the work we can do. If you

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Speaker 6: submit these requests, you can actually do it. We've seen

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Speaker 6: the video now. He showcase that video and it what

561
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Speaker 6: it clearly showed is how brutally violent this guy turns. Now,

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Speaker 6: one of the things we're still on the search for

563
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Speaker 6: is that guy. So what I encourage you to do

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Speaker 6: is go to ACLJ dot org. You can find out

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Speaker 6: all the information if you recognize this person in the

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Speaker 6: Baltimore area and you're willing tournament, we encourage you to

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Speaker 6: do that. We give you a way to do it,

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Speaker 6: give you the phone number, all the information you need,

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Speaker 6: a reward because he is out of the run. It

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Speaker 6: has been now for weeks and unfortunately, you obviously are

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Speaker 6: dealing with a pretty pro choice area in Maryland, Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how how close to me.

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Speaker 6: Clearly the police are getting involved, but I don't know

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Speaker 6: how prioritized.

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Speaker 2: This is not high, not high.

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Speaker 6: But if you see these guys who have had their

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Speaker 6: faces kicked in, I mean literally literally their faces kicked in.

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Speaker 6: This this is violent, a very violent individual. This's not

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Speaker 6: a bar fight, that's not a scrap. This is someone

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Speaker 6: with you know, has fractured their face.

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Speaker 3: But this is where doing broadcasts like this, doing Shawn's broadcast,

582
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Speaker 3: doing our broadcast seculo all right, noon Eastern time, really

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Speaker 3: makes a difference, Jordan, because we can shine a light

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Speaker 3: on this. I mean, you go back to the case

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Speaker 3: involving the parent. The kid is fifteen years old, doesn't

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Speaker 3: want to read the obscenity in pornography in her classroom.

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Speaker 3: The teacher makes her do it. They're going to make

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Speaker 3: her do it. She gets disciplined for it. The parent

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Speaker 3: goes to read the same thing at the school board

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Speaker 3: meeting and they say no, it's too obscene and to profane.

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Speaker 3: And that's where the American Center for Law and Justice,

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Speaker 3: working with programs like Annity come in and can change

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Speaker 3: the dynamic for that entire community. Yeah, so I always

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Speaker 3: would to encourage people everybody listing right now, if you

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Speaker 3: feel like or so your family members feel like your

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Speaker 3: rights have been violated, whether it's your state, your rights

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Speaker 3: at the local level. I mean it could be a community,

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Speaker 3: a city, a school, a state, the federal government. We

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Speaker 3: do it all at the ACLJ, and none of it's

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Speaker 3: too small, like we're mostly talking about people who these

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Speaker 3: people stand up.

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Speaker 1: These cases can make go all the way to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court sometimes, but they don't always have to go there.

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Speaker 1: In fact, a lot of the times we can get

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Speaker 1: these resolved potentially without even having to go to court.

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Speaker 2: So even if you're even if you're worried.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know if I want to go to

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Speaker 1: court yet, but you think something that's going wrong or

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Speaker 1: you've been mistreated and your rights have been violated, make

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Speaker 1: sure you contact us at ACLJ dot org, slash ACLJ

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Speaker 1: dot org slash help.

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Speaker 2: It's free at ACLJ.

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Speaker 1: Attorney's going to respond and let you know if it's

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Speaker 1: something we need more information about, or if we think

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Speaker 1: we can help you, or if we can't. No one's

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Speaker 1: gonna be askeding about it, so don't be afraid to

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Speaker 1: contact us at ACLJ dot org slash help. Nothing's too small,

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Speaker 1: and remember it's these individuals who are willing to stand

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Speaker 1: up and protect all of our rights.

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Speaker 2: And that's what makes a huge difference when people speak up.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's reviewed, like Jordan said, reviewing pretty much

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Speaker 6: immediately by an attorney, usually within a few days, you know,

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Speaker 6: based on the request to intake. And within a few

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Speaker 6: days you're not going to have passed off to some

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Speaker 6: call center or some email response farmed out in another country.

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Speaker 2: This is our.

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Speaker 6: Legal team that gets it immediately and then can decipher

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Speaker 6: whether it's something we need more information like you said,

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Speaker 6: or to press forward what we need to do, or

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Speaker 6: if it's something that's in our scope and it's really

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Speaker 6: easy ACLJ dot org slash help. I'll encourage you right

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Speaker 6: now to help financially support the ACLJ because we're in

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Speaker 6: the middle of.

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Speaker 2: A matching challenge.

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Speaker 6: We also know this is a way because as Jordan said,

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Speaker 6: no cases are too small that you never know what

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Speaker 6: we could make and make your story a national story.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, and go to ACLJ dot d join

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Speaker 3: the ACLJ. Any donation of money, you become a member

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Speaker 3: of the ACLJ and we're in a matching challenge and

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Speaker 3: any amount you donate, we get a matching giftboards tax

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Speaker 3: deductible ACLJ dot Org. Back with Mora Hannity in a minute.

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Speaker 1: Oh hey, welcome back to the Sean Henny Show. This

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Speaker 1: is Jordan Secie. We appreciate you joining us today on

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Speaker 1: Sean's show. I appreciate Sean letting us take the host

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Speaker 1: chairs for these three hours with you again, just to

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Speaker 1: talk about a little bit about us. If you've been

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Speaker 1: listening to broadcast, you say, these guys, maybe you've seen

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Speaker 1: us on Sean's show, or you've heard us on Seawn's

650
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Speaker 1: radio show or in the news, but haven't spent three

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Speaker 1: hours with us before we do it. We have hosts

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Speaker 1: of Seawan's show before, but also we've got our own broadcast,

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Speaker 1: so we kind of deep dive into these legal issues

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Speaker 1: and policy issues, and of.

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Speaker 2: Course we actually do this work.

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Speaker 1: So while we talk about it, and then we do

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Speaker 2: Our other part of our job, which.

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Speaker 1: Is that much more important, is is actually doing all

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Speaker 1: of this work that we talked about throughout the podcast today,

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Speaker 1: over the United States, and so we do work Hereter Nashley.

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Speaker 2: We have gotten into a lot of that today on

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Speaker 1: Want you to learn more about who we are at ACLJ,

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Speaker 1: the American Center for Law and Justice.

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Speaker 2: You do that by going to ACLJ dot org.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and when you go to ACLJ dot org and

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Speaker 3: get a matching gift for whatever amount you donate at.

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Speaker 2: ACLJ dot org.

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Speaker 3: Also, thank you to Shawn's team and our team for

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Speaker 3: great to host for our friend Sean Hannity. Let me

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Speaker 3: also say this, a lot of these cases you talked about,

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Speaker 3: folks are real people. All these cases involve real people,

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Speaker 3: and that's what we do at the American Center for

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Speaker 3: Law and Justice standing up for you.

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Speaker 2: Go to ACLJ dot org.

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Speaker 3: We have a broadcast twelve neon Eastern time at you

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Speaker 3: can get information about that also at aclj dot org.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having us