WEBVTT - Ep 85: Cate Le Bon 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.880 Hey, everyone, good evening, and welcome to a special bonus 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:09.879 episode of Midnight Chats, which falls between two series for us. 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:13.200 Series eight is now finished and Series nine is something 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:16.560 that we're currently recording and we'll start probably in March 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.040 of next year. But we have this extra little bonus 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:24.080 episode which we've saved for now. This episode that you're 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.160 about to hear was recorded live on stage at End 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.880 of the Road Festival, a festival that we work with 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.279 every year and genuinely love, and each year we go 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:37.320 there and we record an episode live on stage. You 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.640 might have heard some in our previous series because usually 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.240 this would just be an episode that would just come 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:47.920 out within a run of episodes for us, but we 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.560 kept this one separate for a few reasons. I mean, 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.240 when we listen back to it, we realize how short 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.920 it was compared to what we normally do. Part of 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.320 that was because Kate Lebond, who is the guest on 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.880 this episode, was very busy on that day at the 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.800 festival and couldn't hang around too long and we were 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.920 a bit late getting started, so that kind of shortened 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:14.040 the time. But also the sound of this one is 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.560 perhaps not the best. We were in a little wooded 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.920 glade in a beautiful setting of lamatory gardens where the 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.000 festival takes place. But there were stages nearby and they 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.920 were making noise. How dare they when we're trying to 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:31.080 recall a podcast and I don't know. We listened back 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.839 to it and we just didn't feel that it really 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.640 sit with the rest of our last series, so we've 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.440 saved it until now. So this is myself talking to 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.520 Kate just before the Mercury Prize was announced. As you're 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:50.120 about to hear, Kate Lebond's album Reward was nominated for 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.720 the award this year in twenty nineteen, so we talk 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.880 a bit about that and the story behind the making 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.240 of that record, involving Kate going away into the middle 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.560 of nowhere and living alone and making furniture. If you 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:08.800 are particularly missing my honking voice because the podcast is 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.520 currently on a bit of a downtime, then can I 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.200 please direct you into a new podcast that we have 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.800 made called Music Made Me Do It. You can find 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:22.079 it on your podcast app, and it is myself try 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.040 to work out and unpack all the different jobs within 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.639 the music industry by talking to people who have created 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:32.880 very successful careers for themselves, essentially by just making it 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.560 up as they go along. I speak to songwriters and 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:39.600 record label owners, producers and managers and all sorts of 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.919 people who tell me exactly what it is that that 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.520 job involves and how they made that job for themselves. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:49.240 Doesn't that sound exciting? I think it does. That's running now. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.160 It's going to run for ten weeks. We're about three 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.880 episodes in at this point. So music made me do it. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.440 On your podcast app please find that in the meantime, 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:02.040 have an excellent Christmas, have an excellent New Year. We 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:06.160 will be back with more midnight chats in twenty twenty 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.880 or twenty twenty, as I should start calling things. Thank 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.480 you to Kate for coming on. It was a hectic 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:15.720 day that day. She was going to play in the afternoon, 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.000 so you know, I appreciate her taking the time to 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:30.079 come and talk to me in a wooded glade. He hell, hey, 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.640 so I wanted to first congratulate you on your Mercury 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:40.720 nomination for reward on your album this podcast. By the 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.240 time this is edited and put together and out there 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.760 for the listeners that aren't here, will be posts to 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.160 Mercury as they would have happened so speaking from the future. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:52.800 Yeah, I had a great night. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.360 Did you have a good time and he loved it? 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:57.120 Was it good to win? 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.160 It was weird? Was it? 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:00.520 Yeah? 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:01.320 Unexpected? 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.480 Unexpected? Did you feel the speech went well? 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:04.560 No? 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:09.080 No, they never do. No? Okay? What what did you 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.880 do to celebrate winning Mercury Price? 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.640 I was I was in bed by midnight? Okay? Yeah? 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:21.880 Yeah, chin back to back episodes of Special Victims Unit. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.120 Okay, is that your current thing? That sounds good? What 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:30.120 channels that? I bet it? Is it true or Alibi? 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:36.239 One of those ones? Fi, it's one of the high ones, 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:42.839 though I can't tell. Twenty four Yeah, god forbid that. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:48.320 We've got this prediction wrong and you didn't win. How 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.040 did that night go for you? How? How did you 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:53.440 commiserate not winning? 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:55.279 By twelve? 0:04:56.240 --> 0:05:02.640 Okay? Watch specially? Okay? Great? So you had a good time? 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:03.080 I did? 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:03.800 It was great? 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.159 Okay. I think you might have had to have left 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.560 the ceremony early to be home by twelve. That's what 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.480 you're planning to do? Yeah? 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:17.320 Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. I don't really know much 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.039 about what's how it works happening? 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:25.080 What's what happened? Did this is going to get complicated? 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.680 Isn't it started down? I should have kept this simple? 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.320 How did you find out about how does it work? 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.040 That mercury thing? Like? How do you do you know 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.120 before everyone else that? Do they tell you or do 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.840 you find out when everyone finds out what's there? 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:45.000 They tell you about a week before I think, okay, 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.560 and then tell you not to tell anyone. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.200 How did you do with that? Did you tell everyone? 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.520 For my dad and then told and. 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.880 He told all his friends and they told all their friends. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:07.240 I told the band. Yeah, it was. It's quite surreal 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.480 thing to happen, you know, was there? 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.120 What was your initial reaction when you heard? 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:25.760 Uh? Truly just I just didn't expect. I just didn't 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:31.760 expect it at all. So it's quite surreal, did you. 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:37.279 I mean, it's your fifth record. I thought maybe mag 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.840 Museum would do it in that mercury world when that 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.680 came out. What do you think it is about this 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:46.960 one that that got you that nomination that the others didn't. 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:53.520 Honestly, I have no idea, but it worked. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:59.680 Yeah, it's it's totally bonkers. 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.520 Do you have any in your mind preconceptions about what 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:07.000 the nights it's gonna be? Like Slash was. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.240 Like, I feel like it's gonna be like a really 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:10.480 strange wedding. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:16.520 Yeah, you have to perform, right, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:22.000 be fun. Yeah cool. Well, so the album is is Reward, 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.080 which you recorded in ice. Well, you wrote Sorry in 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:33.600 isolation whilst in the Lake District, also studying building furniture. 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.760 Was it particularly chairs? Was it specifically chairs? 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.720 No, it was. It's a school. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:43.600 It's like a year in tense course and you study 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:52.120 master craftsmanship, so it's working with solid wood and you know, 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:57.080 it's all joints and glue, no nails, right, So it's 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:02.120 you just work through set projects to learn all your 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.080 the skills you need and then you start designing and 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:07.160 making your own furniture. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.920 But I do love a chair. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.920 Yeah, yeah, chairs your thing. Just before we came up here, 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.120 Kate said to me, can I sit on the red chair? 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:21.840 Specifically the red chair? And I should have known. I 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.880 was like, of course, Kate likes chairs. I should have checked. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:30.280 Did you were you? I guess, like what made you? 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.280 Kind of what was a typical day like then? Because 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.840 you wrote the record in the evenings and in the 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.440 day you were at school, so I get up. 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.800 It was not it was just lovely to have a routine, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.040 you know, because I haven't had that for a long time. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:45.760 So I've been. 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.240 Touring for probably the best part of eight years. So 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.440 I'd wake up and have a bath. I had two 0:08:54.440 --> 0:09:02.280 baths today, that's the dream. And then I listened to 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.680 David Bowie. Right, I have a cup of coffee, and 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:07.880 then I'd walk to school and I'd be at school 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.320 from eight thirty to about six Were you. 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.680 What Bowie were you listening to? Would it change per day? 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:14.480 It was? 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:19.040 I start almost every day with ashes to ashes, Okay, 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.839 because it's I guess it's quite nice. When you live 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.200 by yourself, you can really do whatever you want. No 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:32.000 one's gonna say again, stop playing that song please. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:37.280 I got a water bill. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.800 No, it's fixed water right in the late. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.200 Okay, it all makes sense. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:44.719 So it was. 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.800 It was a really kind of wholesome routine to be 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.440 And then then i'd come home and the WiFi was 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:57.040 pretty patchy where I was, so i'd do homework and 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.280 then i'd go to the shed where I had my 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.640 pian no and playing piano. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.240 I'm playing music. It's lovely. How many people in your 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:09.040 there were people in your class then and did that 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.600 help you from going because you were living on your 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.839 own and you were for a whole year, did that 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:21.880 prevent you from going a bit stir crazing, a bit insane? No, No, okay, I. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:27.240 Guess when you spend you know, I kind of accidentally 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:33.320 changed the whole architecture of my life without really comprehending 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:34.480 that that's what I was doing. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.920 So I am. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.360 You know, it's nice to have the time to catch 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:45.560 up with things that you've maybe put off, but things 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:51.120 also catch up with you and got a little spooky 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:51.680 at times. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:57.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I So did you move there? Were 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.840 you living in LA before you went there? Because I 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:03.719 mean that it doesn't really get much more extreme from 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.800 one to the other. What was it about your kind 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.200 of routine or your typical world to kind of go 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.679 to the complete other extreme and be like, I'm going 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:18.000 to live on my own and I'm going to make chess. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.480 Yeah, I guess again, you just you know, it's it's 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:27.160 making decisions and yeah, without realizing what that's going to 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:29.959 look like every day, and you know, it sounds really idyllic, 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.480 and it it mostly was, you know, it was a 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.800 wonderful year, and your whole economy changes when you, you know, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:42.960 do something like that. But but yeah, you know it's 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.240 can you get a little strange? 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:49.640 Is it really frightening at night? 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:50.959 Uh? 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.840 No, that says more about me, isn't it the fact 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.040 that I wouldn't want to be sleeping? 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:01.120 And yeah, it's just sometimes the whole weekend just by 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.840 myself and realized I hadn't spoken to anyone, which is 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:08.240 not you know, it's not unusual that it's it's kind 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:09.840 of weird when you hear your voice for the first 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:11.679 time on Monday morning, you. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.120 Have to kind of check it still works. If I've 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.560 worked at home or for a couple of days about 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.680 seeing anyone, I kind of think I should check my 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.360 voice still works. I've not spoken to. 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.080 You anyone, and there's a moment where you think. 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:25.679 It might not they might not come back. Yeah. So 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:30.800 with the chairs particularly, I'm trying to imagine what a 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.360 Kate Lebond chair looks like. 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:36.160 Yeah, Like it's not everyone's. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.480 No, everyone's cup and sea. Well, because your your music 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.760 is kind of both. It's there's some traditional there's some 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.720 tradition in your music, sure, but it's also highly experimental 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:52.320 in places. Is that reflected in your chairs. Do they 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:55.240 have like ten legs or two seats? 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:59.360 I don't. I don't know, it's I guess I just 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:04.440 got in. You know. It was just nice making things that. 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.280 I liked, and I think there were a lot of 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.319 other people at the school who were making these really traditional, 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:13.800 beautiful chairs who were. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:18.679 A bit put off by the furniture. 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.280 What type of thing would you just? 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:31.720 I love. I love kind of brutal, ugly stuff. So yeah, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.560 that was my jam when it came to chairs. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.559 Okay, are you still making them now? 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.520 It's kind of tricky to do on the road. 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:46.120 Yeah, but I'm trying to. I'm trying to build a 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.319 shed so that I can have a little workshop. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.760 Have you always been good at that? Because you grew 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:53.520 up in a farmhouse? Right? 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:54.040 Yeah. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.600 I wasn't a working fan, but it was in the 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:57.920 middle of the country. 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.559 And yeah, was. 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.920 It quite a crafty a crafty upbringing of making things. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.480 No, not really just checking my dad's not here. He 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.559 dad would make a meal out of every di y. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:13.000 Right. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.679 So the house, even though they've lived in it for 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.720 thirty plus years, still isn't finished, you know. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:23.520 Okay, So yeah, it was we We would me and 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.720 my sister were outdoor kids. 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:30.400 We had each other goat and the weekends were being 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.840 kicked outside and we'd go and walk the goat. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:38.280 What was your goat called besn So you had one age, Yeah, to. 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:39.760 Make sure you didn't fight over the goat. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.320 Yeah, that makes sense. 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.960 And at weekends you am I right in saying that 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.160 at weekends your your house rule was you could music 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.440 was allowed, but there was no TV or TV. 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:57.400 Yeah, and you know it was Yeah, it was really 0:14:58.280 --> 0:14:59.240 kids got outside. 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.880 Yeah. Yeah, did that help you? Would that have helped 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:07.560 you with this project and being kind of on your 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.760 own and entertaining and you know, writing because everyone else contends, 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.320 you know, it's we live in a world where you 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.520 get home from working straight away you put the TV on. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.280 But I suppose if you've grown up, if you grow 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.640 up without that at the weekends, I don't know if 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:24.040 that makes you then when you're an adult you just 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.720 only want to watch TV, or if you're just used 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.040 to like I've got I can do other things. 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:30.280 Yeah, I don't know. 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:35.640 It was, like I said, the Wi Fi was really patchy, 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.080 so that was kind of that choice made for me, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:43.080 you know, up in the lakes. But I don't know 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.800 it kind of I feel guilty about watching TV at 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:49.640 times because I suppose when you are somewhat self employed 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.840 and you should be, I've always got that feeling that 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.600 there's something that I could be doing that is more 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:59.120 worthwhile than watching back to back crime drama, you know. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:06.200 But yeah, yeah, So how did you cope with that 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.400 isolating feeling in the Lake district? 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.920 I mean people would come and visit, which was always, 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:17.360 you know, really nice. And I joined a swimming club 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:19.840 that would meet at seven am in the morning to 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:23.720 swim in Lake Windermere, right, and we'd swim. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:24.640 To a boy and back. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.040 And I did that for a little bit to try 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:34.160 and kind of reboot, you know, or kind of. Yeah, 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:35.880 and that was nice. But I you know, I love 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.800 I do love being alone, I really really do. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.400 We're okay with it. Yeah, So how does that work? 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:46.440 Because you, I mean, as someone who loves being alone, 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:49.400 you're also are great collaborator. You collaborate with so many 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.640 great artists, with Tim Presley and Drinks, and you played 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.840 with everyone from like John Cale and all sorts of people. 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.160 How does that work going from doing something that is 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.439 totally you and it's your thing and you can be 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.800 alone to your heart's content to suddenly having to work 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.400 with people in quite probably quite an intense environment where 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:12.240 you're being creative. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:17.200 And I suppose it's about just being selective and only 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:20.000 doing things that you really want to do and only 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:24.480 working with people that you feel that you're you know that. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:25.919 It's nourishing to work with. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:32.680 I suppose, yeah, is it? Do you find it easy 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.840 to switch from the two? Do you prefer one over 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:35.200 the other? 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:38.919 I guess once you've spent a lot of time by 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:44.360 yourself and you've you know, you've it's nice to them 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:49.480 feed off of someone else's energy and creativity. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:50.440 I suppose. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.560 Because one of the things you've recently, one of those 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:59.440 collaborations was producing the new Deer Hunter record. What kind 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.239 of producers are you? Uh? 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:02.879 I don't know. 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.840 It's a it's such a nebulous job title, you know 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:11.639 changes day to day, sometimes hour to hour, you know, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.920 So I don't I don't know how to answer that. 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:23.440 You bossy shouting at people, You're not the specta kind 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:27.000 of So no, you don't take guns into the recording. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.639 So you did feel like there were moments in the 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.280 late dishup where you felt like you were going like 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:42.640 a bit stir crazy. Yeah, does any of that come through? 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:46.080 Are there any tracks on the record that have got 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.080 that in them particularly? 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.320 Yeah, I think a few of them have. I don't 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:52.879 think I was. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.760 You know, you have a vision of how you're going 0:18:55.840 --> 0:19:00.760 to maybe make a record, and it never out that way. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:06.520 And I think because because it was such a kind 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:11.000 of abrupt change, and I was in school all day 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.920 and so, and I guess the whole point of going 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.520 there was to take a time away from music to 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.000 kind of readdress my motives and my relationship with it. 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.880 So it was nice when it became my hobby or 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.480 like a nice cathartic outlet at the end of the day, 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:32.760 and to kind of exist without this constant surveillance that 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.800 I think was interrupting my relationship with it. 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:37.080 You know. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:42.159 So I wrote most of the record without realizing I 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.600 was writing a record, which was, you know, really nice 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.080 when I realized that's cool. 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:53.080 Yeah, that's nice. I've made a record. Did you miss 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.880 There must have been certain things that you that you missed, 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.960 either as soon as you got there and thought hang on, 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.400 or just because you were there for a whole year. 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.480 I mean, yeah, I was there for a year and 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.200 a half living there. 0:20:07.480 --> 0:20:09.080 What did you What was it that you missed from 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:10.200 from LA life. 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.080 I don't honestly, I don't think there was. I think 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.119 I was so into going to school every day. I 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:21.200 absolutely loved it, you know, the school part that I didn't. 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.800 I didn't really miss much in all honesty, other than 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:30.960 kind of having close friends nearby. And but it was, 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.440 you know, it was a really welcome change from touring 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:40.440 and you know, just constantly thinking about music and even 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:45.480 even taking that time off, I was consuming music differently, 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.840 you know, just the just the joy of listening to 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:52.400 records without it being under this strange surveillance. 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:52.960 You know. 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.080 Yeah, did you? And afterwards did you? Where did you 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:57.440 return to? So you've been there for a year and 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:58.680 a half on your own, where did. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.040 You go back to? Well? This is the problem. I 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:07.600 haven't really haven't. No, I'm just floating around. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:08.560 driving me mad. 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:11.359 Have you got any idea where you're going to? 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.440 I think Cardiff for a little bit, okay, Yeah? Yeah. 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:20.480 Did it feel hard adjusting back to kind of having 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.119 been in that set routine back into the real world. 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.879 I guess I think I went straight from finishing school, 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:31.159 I flew out to Marfa to work with Bradford and 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.879 then work on the Day Hunter records. So it was 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:39.040 like baptism of fire back into music. And then I 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.480 made my record straight off the back of that, and 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.280 then I went back into the Day Hunter record and 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:47.879 then finished my record. So it was it's just like 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:52.120 a switch immediately back to Yeah, but it was nice. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.600 I was ready for it, and I was excited, you know, 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.480 to make music again and work with people like Bradford, 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:00.680 you know, and yeah. 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.159 Sure, what was it that drew you to LA in 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:03.879 the first place. 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:10.160 I think at the time it was the weather had 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:14.760 been so terrible in Cardiff. You know, it was really miserable, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.280 and if you don't have much money, there's not much 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:19.680 you can. 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:21.000 Do really except stay in the house. 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.760 And you know, so the prospective, I mean, I was 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:28.080 going out to write to record mug Museum out there, 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:34.119 and and I'd been given a three year visa, and 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.040 I just thought it was maybe a nice good time 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.919 to kind of make a bit of a change and 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:46.600 work with a different pool of musicians, and you know, so, yeah, 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:48.959 and because we were touring so much as well, we 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:53.199 were back and forth between LA and the UK, so 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:57.160 it wasn't too yeah, too much of a removal. 0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.760 You might as well have your base in the sunny one. 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.200 Of the yeah, where you can just you know, sit 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:03.760 on the steps and it's really lovely. 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:08.920 Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah nice. So it's been ten 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:14.800 years since your first album this year, right, How has 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.520 how has the way you've made music changed in that 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:19.440 in that time? 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.600 Oh? I mean it's I think it's. 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:27.360 You know, whenever you work in the studio, whether it's 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.760 on your own record or with other people, it's. 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:32.160 It's just good. 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:39.240 To be poor accessibles and and learn from people that 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.920 you're working with, you know, musicians that you're working with, 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:47.359