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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Runner Gang, Welcome back to Post Run High. Today's guest

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Speaker 2: is country singer Margot Price. We ran through the streets

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Speaker 2: of New York before sitting down to talk about how

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Speaker 2: she went from a small town in Illinois to making

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Speaker 2: a name for herself in Nashville. If you're new here,

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Speaker 2: this podcast is all about inspiring conversations that start with movement,

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Speaker 2: because we believe movement opens people up and weighs nothing

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Speaker 2: else does. And today we kick things off with a

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Speaker 2: run before diving into our conversation. We have great episodes

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Speaker 2: coming up, so please make sure you follow the show

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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. All right, let's get our

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Speaker 2: post run High going.

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Speaker 3: Margot Price, Welcome to Post Run High.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Margo and I just went for a one mile run

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Speaker 2: through Brooklyn. I found out that you like to run,

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Speaker 2: and I have to say you had by far the

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Speaker 2: best breath control out of a lot of the people

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Speaker 2: we have on the running interview show.

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Speaker 1: Hey must be all the treadmill singing workouts that I do.

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Speaker 3: Just kidding. How are you feeling post run feel great?

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Speaker 1: I needed that. I've been on summer break with my kids,

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Speaker 1: so I haven't been able to go do my ritual

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how does that work?

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Speaker 2: Like, how does that change things for you when your

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Speaker 1: Yeah, makes it hard sometimes to shower and do things

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Speaker 1: that humans need to do. But I usually take them

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Speaker 3: And I know you have two kids. How old are they?

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Speaker 1: I have a fourteen year old boy and a six

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Speaker 3: Wow, teenager?

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Speaker 2: Yep, teenager and basically like a kindergartener their first grade.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wow, so young? And you live in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: I live in Nashville. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And this is a big day for you because not

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Speaker 2: only did we go for a rent together, but you

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Speaker 2: are currently dropping the news that you have a new

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Speaker 2: album coming out August twenty ninth.

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Speaker 1: August twenty ninth, Hard Headed Woman for singles out today.

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Speaker 1: It's called Don't let the Bastards Get You Down. It

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Speaker 1: feels fitting with the state of the world.

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Speaker 2: I guess what is going through your mind right now

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Speaker 2: as you're dropping a new song, like is there are

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Speaker 2: there emotions that come with that, like walk us through

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Speaker 2: kind of what's going on today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a long time coming. It always feels like,

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Speaker 3: How long have you been working on this album.

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Speaker 1: For It's been about three years in the making. Just

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Speaker 1: We recorded it in Nashville. All my prior records were

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Speaker 3: You have such an interesting story.

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Speaker 2: We tapped into it a little bit on the Running

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Speaker 2: Interview show, but I want to do a deep dive

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Speaker 2: today on our podcast. So you're from a small town

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not a lot to do, but I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is important. Yeah. I think all of

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, because we just have all this information coming

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Speaker 1: I quit drinking about four years ago, and I just

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Speaker 2: Do you listen to music or do you like to

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Speaker 1: So a lot of times I do listen to music.

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Speaker 2: The best part about Margo is your personality is just

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Speaker 2: It's also so clear that you love to have a

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Speaker 2: I'm sure performing for you is so much fun. When

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my folks always had like the stereo going, like

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Speaker 1: And my dad loves oldies. He loved like all the

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Speaker 1: country music. And my great uncle was a songwriter in Nashville.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what a monitor is, I don't understand

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Speaker 3: I also realized that I am a really, really bad waitress, and.

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Speaker 3: Moms are the best.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you're I mean the town that you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun when I go back and I'm like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was definitely when my career was not taking off,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the best type of fuel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you've got haters, Yeah, it's like I just

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Speaker 2: a band. Right, two bands. Let's talk about your band

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, I met my husband at a college party

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Speaker 1: We've been in bands together, we've you know, we raised

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Speaker 3: I will absolutely I just fired.

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Speaker 2: She okay, Margo mentioned this on our run and my

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Speaker 2: How does Jeremy feel about being fired now after twenty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean we're still we're still married, we're

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Speaker 1: It's too much for her to do it all by herself.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, my band and I we had been together

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you're fired too. And it's been challenging.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: How are the fans going to feel about this? They're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think it's it's good though, because

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: My gosh, No, it's so true.

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Speaker 2: It's it's amazing to have a partner that you've seen

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Speaker 2: is just one of the coolest things, and like kind

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Speaker 2: the struggles that you guys went through early on as

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Speaker 3: For us a little bit of what that looked like.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, so many odd jobs, like he was always a

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Speaker 3: And that really is a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: And without those experiences and those hardships that you went through,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think, you know, we we got to travel

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Speaker 2: I feel like creative people have that in common because

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Speaker 2: I feel the same way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You moved to Nashville in twenty eleven, is that right?

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Speaker 1: Or actually it was two thousand and three.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, so you moved to Nashville two thousand

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Speaker 2: and three and your music really really took off in twenty.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen, is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So during those early years, like, what was the journey

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? I feel like I emulated a lot of different

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like songwriting, why is like Gillian Walch Loosen to Williams.

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Speaker 2: I was hoping you'd say Dolly Parton. I was hoping

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Speaker 2: you'd say it on our run because I love Dolly Parton.

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Speaker 1: I love Dolly so much. She's amazing, and really it

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Speaker 1: It has this like tambour Like sometimes my daughter and

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, that's the best compliment ever. Mana.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because not only does your singing

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Speaker 3: To people tell you that you have like the cutest voice.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I hate hearing myself speak.

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Speaker 3: No, it's so good.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how this goes when I listen to it back.

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Speaker 2: You're so soft spoken and like there's actually this actress.

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Speaker 2: I'm blanking on her name, but your voice reminds me

441
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: a lot of her. How would you describe your sound?

442
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: It's so hard to be like boxed in by a genre,

443
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: especially I think country music can come with some negative connotations,

444
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: not you know, not for everybody. But I think people

445
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: see rock as one thing and country is one thing.

446
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: It can be, you know, two very different things. But

447
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: I love country music and I love rock and roll.

448
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: I just love a lot of older music, anything from

449
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: like the sixties to the nineties. I love Tom Petty,

450
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: I love Fleetwood Mac, I love led Zeppelin, I love

451
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: the Blues, I love you know, folk music. I definitely

452
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: feel like John Bias and Bob Dylan Odetta, those early

453
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, fifty sixties like folk revival like that inspired

454
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: me a lot. But maybe the easiest way to describe

455
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: my music in current terms would be like Americana, which

456
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: I think is just like root music. It's just like organic,

457
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: natural instruments. I don't like a lot of like digital

458
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: sounding things. I don't like auto tune. I don't like

459
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: drum machines and click tracks, although I have used them

460
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: in the past. But this album that I'm putting out

461
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: in August is really a return to organic sounds. And

462
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: the producer that I worked with, his name is Matt

463
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: Ross Spang, and he produced my first two albums and

464
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: they were just all done live, me and the band

465
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: all in the room together, and that's what I wanted

466
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: to get back to this time. So like we had

467
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: no no click track or anything in our ears. It

468
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,640
Speaker 1: was just like us feeling the music, just like when

469
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: we play live.

470
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: I feel like what you just said is why so

471
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: many people that historically have loved like pop music, Like

472
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: I feel like I grew up listening to pop music.

473
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: I grew up in New Jersey, right outside of New York,

474
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: and like pop, hip hop was what we listened to

475
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 2: on the radio here, like DRA two thousand. Yeah, Snoop

476
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: Dogg like those Oh my God Snoop Dogg is Snoop

477
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: dog is in a genre of his own.

478
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm obsessed with them.

479
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: So sorry, I just derailed you. You were saying like, yeah,

480
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 1: you grew up listening to pop, and yeah, maybe country

481
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: music wasn't.

482
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah you bring up Snoop Dogg in my mind is

483
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 3: now racing in a different direction. I'm obsessed with them.

484
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 3: We'll come back to that.

485
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: I feel like what you just said is part of

486
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 2: the reason why country is also having such a moment

487
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: right now and is growing so much in its fandom,

488
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: because it is such a return to this like non

489
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: digital type of music, right Like it's the natural elements,

490
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: like the natural instruments and sounds and real voices, not

491
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 2: so auto tuned, you know, totally. I don't know if

492
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: the good country music, But how do you feel about

493
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: the trend of country music, Like is it so fun

494
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: for you to see people like post Malone dabbling into country.

495
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing that everybody is turned on to

496
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: country music. I think the same thing kind of happened

497
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: in the well, you know, it's it's all cyclical, Like

498
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: you go back and you look at like, you know,

499
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: like Share doing country music, and like that was kind

500
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: of what happened. You had like Rhinestone Cowboy, and it

501
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: really becomes like a part of the culture. But it

502
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: can I'm a little picky. I won't shit talk anybody,

503
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: but I definitely don't like things that sound too digital

504
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: or too like auto tuned. And so there's I think

505
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: there's really like great artists out there doing it. And

506
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: then I think there's other people that are like maybe

507
00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: hopping on a bandwagon, But that's okay, every everybody. They're

508
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: not hurting anybody, They're just trying to express themselves.

509
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: So I think that's a completely fair take on it.

510
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: Like you love you love real country music, you know,

511
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: and I think it must be it's like flattering to

512
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: see other artists like inspired by it. But I totally

513
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: get what you're meaning in terms of like what you

514
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: gravitate towards your especially right now with your new album.

515
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's like the type of music that you

516
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 3: want to listen to.

517
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 2: I have this note written down, and I just I

518
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: hardly know what it means because I am not familiar

519
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: with honky tonk culture.

520
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: Nice, what is honky talk culture?

521
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: And did it contribute to the rise of your career

522
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen?

523
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, like a honky tonk is

524
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: just like a place where there's hopefully a live band playing,

525
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, dancing and jukeboxes. It's those are the kind

526
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: of bars that I like. Even now I don't drink,

527
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: I still love to go to bars. I still love

528
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: to go to like old dives and like especially in Texas, Like,

529
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: people are such good dancers there. I love seeing that

530
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: come back into the culture because I think it's one

531
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: of the one of the lost arts. Like people used

532
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: to dance. That's how people like used to meet their

533
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: partners and'd be like, oh, we were dancing. So that's

534
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: really cool to see that like come back. Even in Nashville,

535
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: Like there's just so many people that like to go

536
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: out and like catch a live band, Like here's something

537
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: that connects with them, makes them feel human, makes them

538
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: forget about their problems for just a minute, right.

539
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: I loved on our run when we touched on psychedelics

540
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: and guys for the people listening.

541
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 3: Just to give you a little.

542
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: Picture, Margo had the cutest fanny pack on coach. Fanny

543
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: pack embroidered shout out coach embroidered with these little mushrooms.

544
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: So I was like, I have to ask about the mushrooms.

545
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you have been open about utilizing psychedelics as

546
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: a lot of artists do to help with your creative

547
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 2: writing process. So explain how that works and like what

548
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: that looks like as an artist and how it shows

549
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: up in your music.

550
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: Well, I don't even know if I would be a

551
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: musician if it wouldn't have been for that, Like first

552
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: trip that I took when I was twenty, I just

553
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: knew at that point that that was my life's path.

554
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: And then since then, I've I've taken a lot of

555
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: journeys and a lot of different a lot of different substances. Yeah, Molly,

556
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: things like that I've been so good for trauma, for

557
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: like just rewiring your brain. I think, you know, we

558
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: get really stuck in these patterns, and psychedelics and you know,

559
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: microdosing and things like that have just like completely transformed

560
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: who I am as a person. Even you know, giving

561
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: up alcohol was happened for me through a psychedelic experience.

562
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: I just it was something that I'd been struggling with

563
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: for a while, and I took this trip and I

564
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: was like, I just don't think I needed anymore.

565
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: When it comes to writing your music and your songwriting process,

566
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: like what does that look like for you?

567
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: All songs are kind of like born into the world

568
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: in different ways. Sometimes it will be like a conversation

569
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: or like something that somebody says in passing and I'm like, oh,

570
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write that down. Other Times it's just like

571
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, a melody will come to you. I think

572
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: you really have to be still though, for the muse

573
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: to come visit you, because if you're constantly looking at

574
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: your phone ingesting too much from the outside world, like

575
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: your mind can't be still enough to hear what's going on.

576
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: They're all different. My husband and I write a lot together.

577
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: We have like just this incredible way that we can,

578
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, communicate like telepathically almost, and it's a

579
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: really special thing to be able to write with somebody. Yeah,

580
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,239
Speaker 1: you just got to watch what you say when you're

581
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: around me, because I they might make a song out

582
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: of it. You never know. We always joke or like

583
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: change change a word, get a third is like the

584
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: Nashville saying, if somebody just even interjects one thing. But yeah,

585
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: there's song ideas like floating all around us as you

586
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: never know.

587
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: I forget what artist it was. Maybe it was Michael Jackson.

588
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. That said.

589
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: Creative ideas are like books at a library and you

590
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: can only check them out for so long before somebody

591
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: else takes it. And it has something to do with songwriting,

592
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: and like I mean, I think it can be applied

593
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: to so many different things.

594
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: But is that true a songwriting?

595
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: Like have you ever had an idea for a song

596
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: and then you didn't act on it and you heard it.

597
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: I was working on a song called California Sober, which

598
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: is like just like a phrase that people have been

599
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: saying more recently, and before I could get into the studio,

600
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: like Billy Strings released a song called California Sober. I

601
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: definitely think ideas are always out there, and you do

602
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: have to move fast, you have to have to get

603
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: that trademark going. But at the same time, this is

604
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: something Jack White said a long time ago, which is like,

605
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's trying so hard to be like original

606
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: and come up with new sounds or whatever, but there

607
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: is something that is so powerful about like tradition and

608
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: carrying on what other people have built before you and

609
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: just really just building off of that. That's why I

610
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: like things that are more rooted, more classic sounding. I

611
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: mean it all kind of stems from the blues and

612
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: from like even old like Gaelic folk songs and things

613
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: like these melodies have been around for centuries, and I

614
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: love being able to take an old idea and make

615
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: it new again. I mean, Bob Dylan was like King

616
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: of that. You know, he had the quote that was

617
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: like amateur's borrow professional steel, and whether it's like a

618
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: melody that you've heard before, or just like a drum beat,

619
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: or even a phrase or saying, like my newest single

620
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: was called don't let the Bastards get You Down, and

621
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: I kind of got turned onto that phrase from Chris Christofferson.

622
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: It was something he said to Sinead O'Connor when she

623
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: was being booed off the stage in New York at

624
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: the Bob Dylan tribute after she ripped up the picture

625
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: of the Pope on Saturday Night Live. So I was like,

626
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: I heard that phrase from him, but I believe the

627
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: phrase was originated in World War Two, and and then

628
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: you know, Margaret Atwood put it into The Handmaid's Tale,

629
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that Chris, you know, he was an

630
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: avid reader and he was a historian, so I was

631
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: like he got it from there. And then when I

632
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: started writing my song, I was like, well, I'm just

633
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: going to give Chris a writing credit on it and

634
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: just kind of yeah, keep the tradition alive, keep.

635
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: Like the meaning too.

636
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah.

637
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean so much significance. That's so cool, yeah, I

638
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: completely agree with drawing inspo from people, especially when it

639
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: comes to a melody. Like it's interesting that you say that,

640
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: but I feel like, then when you listen to your

641
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: songs and you hear a melody that is similar in

642
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: a way to like nostalogic.

643
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: Songs, you want to like get down to it, you

644
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

645
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: There's something really beautiful about like the way our brains

646
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: translate music.

647
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: Its music is one of the only things that turns

648
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: on your whole brain at once. I don't know. There's

649
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: just a lot of science that shows that when you're

650
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: playing and you're playing an instrument and you're singing, it

651
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: activates your whole entire brain. It's pretty incredible.

652
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: I didn't know that.

653
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: Pick up an instrument. Everybody should. Everybody should play.

654
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: What's your favorite instrument.

655
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: I like to play the guitar the most, but I

656
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: play drums, I play piano, I play mandolin. I just

657
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: started taking violin lessons with my daughter. In my whole life,

658
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: I've been saying I want to play the violin.

659
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Oh my god. The day that you get

660
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: on stage and you're playing the violin while performing, I

661
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 2: will be there freaking out. Because the violin is like

662
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: my favorite instrument, the violin and the bagpipes. A little

663
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: bit of Irish in my roots, so I love the bagpipes,

664
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: but there's something about the violin that is just so cool.

665
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: It is magical.

666
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: What would be your advice to aspiring artists that are

667
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: currently trying to find their sound.

668
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, try out everything. I always I

669
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: like learning covers because it's kind of like trying on

670
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: a like a suit and being like, oh, I like

671
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: how this fits, and then you can kind of figure

672
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: out how to like make your own version of that.

673
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: And also just be prepared to be told no a

674
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: lot and get your heart broken. Be prepared. But I

675
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: think if you really love it and it makes you happy,

676
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: like you just keep following that path and hopefully things

677
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: will come your way, and even if it doesn't end

678
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: up being a career, Like I said, I just think

679
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: that music is for everybody. Everybody should play something, everybody should,

680
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, paint and draw. And it's like as we

681
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: get older, we think like that you can't do those things,

682
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: or like something's not worth doing if you're not profiting

683
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: financially off it. But sometimes when things become a job.

684
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: It actually can strip away some of the joy. So

685
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: I have to really check myself a lot and like

686
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: not get lost in the Like, Oh, am I popular enough?

687
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: Do I have enough followers on social media?

688
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: You know?

689
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: Do people like what I'm doing? Fuck them? Do I

690
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: like what I'm doing? That's what matters?

691
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: You know?

692
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Does it fulfill me? Does it make me feel good

693
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: when I do it?

694
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 3: Yeah? Am I creatively inspired?

695
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: Like? Am I passionate about what I'm putting out it?

696
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: It's so important. It's like, do good work and the

697
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: rest will follow. If you build it, they will come

698
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: right field of dream or you'll evolve through building it

699
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: and they'll come to something else.

700
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: You never know.

701
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely. There was this sound guy in Arizona. I played

702
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: a show there. Oh gosh, twenty years ago on my

703
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: first tour that I was telling you about where we

704
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: were in a Winnebago and we booked it all under

705
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: a fake manager's name, and uh, this sound guy, I

706
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: just I remember what he said to me, even though

707
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: it was so long ago. He was just telling me

708
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: he was man explaining how to wrap cables because I

709
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: wasn't doing it the right way and he was holding

710
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: up the cord and he was like, its shape will

711
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: reveal itself. And I say that to myself like once

712
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,439
Speaker 1: a week, because sometimes you go into something you don't

713
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: know what's going to be. It's like you're you're building

714
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: a plane while simultaneously learning how to fly it. And yeah,

715
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't know what your path is until you

716
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: try a million other things that don't work.

717
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so so true.

718
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: Because we're in New York, I have to ask you

719
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: about SNL and I know we talked about it a

720
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: little bit on our run and we talked about how

721
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: you performed on SNL and you were the musical guest.

722
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: But what really stood out to me was what you

723
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 2: said about the one thing that people don't know as

724
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: my about but the artists and you know, the actors

725
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: get to experience comedians and that's the after party.

726
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: What does Margo as a party girl look like?

727
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: We see, Like I said, I don't drink anymore, but

728
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: I still do drugs, but just the good ones. I yeah,

729
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: back when we were playing SNL, though I was drinking.

730
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: It was like my bourbon whiskey.

731
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: Phase and so country.

732
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were hanging out with Russell Crowe at the

733
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: party afterwards because he was the host, and he kept

734
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: taking my bourbon out of my hand and making me

735
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: these like papaya juice vodka drinks. And yeah, there was

736
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 1: some other things that we imbibed in that I probably

737
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: can't talk about, shouldn't talk about. But yeah, the night

738
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: before Saturday Night Live, I went out and actually kind

739
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: of threw down on accident. I was really stressed out.

740
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: There were some people bullying me online, and so I

741
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: kind of went down a dark path the night before

742
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: us and all. But it all turned out great and

743
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: the performance went off like Gangbusters was. Nobody was injured,

744
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: we all survived. But yeah, I have a memoir. You

745
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: can read in the memoir what we specifically did. At

746
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: the after party. We were, yeah, being driven around by

747
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: a chauffeur and there was like paparazzi and it was

748
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: it was really fun. It was a wild night. I

749
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: think the probably around six am, me and the band

750
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: and a few of my girlfriends. We were all just

751
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: like laying on the street, like on the New York

752
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: City streets, and we were just like smoking cigarettes on

753
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: the ground and we're like on top of the world.

754
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 2: Pretty pretty wild experience, Pretty wild.

755
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, like I said, I won't go to details,

756
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: but you can get my memoir. It's called maybe We'll

757
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 1: Make It All.

758
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: I love that you brought up your memoir because that's

759
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: the next thing that I want wanted to ask you about.

760
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: So first let's touch on don't let the Bastards get

761
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: you down. So I want to connect this a little

762
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: bit into what you said earlier, earlier about when you

763
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: were first charting out and you were struggling as an

764
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: artist in Nashville, as everybody starts out as a struggling artist,

765
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: especially when you're in Nashville or LA, and you had

766
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: haters from your hometown when you were writing Don't let

767
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 2: the Bastards get you down?

768
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 3: Who were the bastards?

769
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: Who are the bastards? That is my favorite question. Just

770
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: bastards everywhere, changes depending on the day. But fair this

771
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: kind of a song written about like how predatory the

772
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: music business is to tell you the truth and you

773
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: think that like you know, I made it. Now everything's

774
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: like everything's good, but it's it's a lot to navigate

775
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: and I you know, kind of always would say like, oh,

776
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm not a good business person, Like now I'm coming

777
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 1: into my power and like I'm in my forties, I

778
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: have less tolerance for bullshit, and it feels really empowering

779
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: to take control of my finances and just everything in

780
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: my life. You know, I feel like the bastards that

781
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: was who they were when I was writing the song.

782
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: But you know, it's not like there's a line in it.

783
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: It's like, don't let the bastards get you down, don't

784
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: sell your heart to a businessman. He'll sell it back

785
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: next time around. And then it's you look at these

786
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: supposedly grown men that are just like, you know, money hungry,

787
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: focused on the wrong things, taking away people's rights. It's

788
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: the song could very easily be about any number of

789
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 1: businessmen or any number of people that are pushing anybody around.

790
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: I want it to be like a battle cry for people.

791
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: It's nice to have something, it's like, you know, to

792
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: have a rally cry that like unites people and brings

793
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: people together and maybe can be like a call to action.

794
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's my favorite part about music is it

795
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: brings people together, and especially when there's a message behind

796
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: it that's really empowering, it you know, makes it all

797
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: the better. I like that you touched on being a

798
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: business woman and it's been so fun even just to

799
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: see you today with your team, Like you're such a leader,

800
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: Like you're so on top of everything that's going on.

801
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: And today's a big day, guys. Margo's sitting here with

802
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: me today, but this is a big day.

803
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: You launched.

804
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: Don't let the bastards get you down today. Across streaming networks, right,

805
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: it's on Spotify, it's on out, it's everywhere.

806
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: So the song is out. It's out, it's out.

807
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it has been so cool to witness that

808
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: a little bit behind the scenes and see what goes

809
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: into it for somebody listening that is an artist or

810
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: wants to get into the industry, Like what is like

811
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 2: the business side of it, Like what goes into launching?

812
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to do so much planning in order

813
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: to get music out that you have to really stay.

814
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: Focus because yeah, and you have to have the right

815
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 2: people around you, you really do.

816
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

817
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: I've got a really, really great team around me, and

818
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: I've worked with so many wonderful people over the years,

819
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: and not everybody has been an asshole, for sure, but

820
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, my advice for anyone going into it

821
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 1: today is just like keep your songwriting, you know, don't

822
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: don't sell your don't sell your songwriting credits and unless

823
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: you get like a huge deal, like I think Zach

824
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: Bryan just sold his catalog for three hundred and fifty million,

825
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: probably because AI is like maybe going to just take

826
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: away a lot of stuff or like, I don't know,

827
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on with copywriting right

828
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: now as well.

829
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: How do you think AI is going to transform the

830
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 2: music industry?

831
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's going to be for the better, unfortunately,

832
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I don't even understand how they

833
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: have the rights to do it, because it's like they've

834
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: already got but every song that like anyone's ever written,

835
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: and I think it's just gonna be so hard to yeah,

836
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: to copyright things and just to appreciate originality. I mean,

837
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: computers don't have souls, so I don't you know, there's

838
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: been a lot of thought like, oh, maybe it's not

839
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: gonna be that bad, but like you can go to

840
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: just chat GPT and just be like, write me a

841
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: song in the style of Margo Price called this, and

842
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: then they can go and take everything I've ever done

843
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: and regurgitate it in this way that is not human.

844
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: And I I'm honestly pretty scared about it. I hope

845
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: that Congress, hope somebody will try to protect us, but.

846
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 2: It's gonna have to don't regulate it.

847
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: It's gonna have to be regulated.

848
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: But I do have to say this too, and I

849
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: talk to a lot of founders and actually the first

850
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: founders that ever said this to me. I don't know

851
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 2: if you're familiar with Lavine Bakery. It's pronouncial event. Actually

852
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: I learned that on the walk. And it's like, the

853
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: key to any successful thing or business is.

854
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: The love and the soul behind it. And it can

855
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 3: be as simple as making a good chocolate chip cookie.

856
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: It's like, well, most chocolate chip cookies kind of taste,

857
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: it's pretty standard, but there's for some reason is considered

858
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: the best.

859
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 3: And they're like, it's no.

860
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: Different than ingredients of other chocolate chip cookies, but there's

861
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: just a whole lot of love and hard work that

862
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: was poured into them.

863
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can, yeah, we can keep the soul in

864
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: everything that we do, but yeah, I don't know. It's

865
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: just it's really it's dangerous. And I worry about the

866
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: the ecological footprint that it's leaving as well, because I

867
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: think AI takes like a lot of water and a

868
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: lot of energy to produce. So I just want everybody

869
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: to really think about it. Is this, do I have

870
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: to ask chat GPT this question or could I figure

871
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: it out with my own brain? And I've used it

872
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: as well, you know, I have. I've asked it questions.

873
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: But I'm learning about it as I'm going and so

874
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: I think just even knowing how much like water it's

875
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: using is it makes me mindful of just going in

876
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: there and asking it questions. Yeah, I didn't even know

877
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: that this is uncharted territory. We don't know what we're doing,

878
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: and I guess twenty years from now we're going to

879
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, this is this was where society really

880
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: went you a dark place.

881
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five is literally the year of AI.

882
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: Never would have expected that. Okay, well, let's talk about

883
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: your memoir. In twenty twenty two, you wrote a memoir.

884
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: I'm curious what made you finally want to write a

885
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: memoir and put your experiences into words on paper and

886
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: start writing.

887
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wanted to be able to remember all of

888
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: these like huge pivotal moments and like how I felt

889
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: at the time and I really was. I kind of

890
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: started doing it for myself, but I've always loved reading

891
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: musicians memoirs like Patti Smith probably is my favorite writer,

892
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: and Just Kids is what made me think, like, Wow,

893
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: you can write a memoir like this and it can

894
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: be like this poetic and this beautiful and this vulnerable,

895
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: and I just that was kind of after finishing that book,

896
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: that was what made me start doing it. But I

897
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: also had gotten pregnant with my daughter. I was off

898
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: the road and I needed something to keep me busy

899
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: and keep me like creatively fed. So that was that

900
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: was when it started. And then COVID hit and I

901
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I have a lot of time to

902
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: write a memoir.

903
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 3: How did I know?

904
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: The memoir was deeply personal, to the point where even

905
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: some names you swapped in for like fake names.

906
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

907
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

908
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: How did the people in your life feel about the book?

909
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: Like did your family and friends read it? And were

910
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: they happy with how you spoke about them? Like what

911
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: was that kind of process like, because that's the thing

912
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: that I always think about with memoirs. I'm like, you

913
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: have to be honest and you have to be real,

914
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 2: and not all experiences are good ones.

915
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, my publishers, and like my editor. I didn't have

916
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: a ghostwriter like many musicians do, but I had an

917
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: editor and the publishers and they read it and they

918
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: were like, wow, you're accusing an awful lot of people

919
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: are doing drugs, so we better make sure that we

920
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: either change names or get their approval. For the most part,

921
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: and nobody was upset at me, and I did keep

922
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: some things about my family. I Dolly Parton always says,

923
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: always save something for yourself, and you know, while it

924
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: was very vulnerable, I talked about me husband and I

925
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 1: losing a child. I talked about my struggles with alcohol.

926
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: I talked about our marital problems. You know, I was

927
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: in a band prior, and I always kind of joked

928
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: like we were like Fleetwood Mac without the success, So

929
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: you can fill in the blanks with what happened there.

930
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: But my husband supported me and being completely transparent about

931
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: what we went through after we lost the baby. I

932
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: survived a trauma that like nobody should have to survive

933
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: and came out on the other side like thriving. And

934
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: there's a couple people whose names I changed who I

935
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: haven't spoken to, but we were already kind of like

936
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: not speaking, but everybody else was really supportive, my mom

937
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: and my family. There's a lot of things I think

938
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: that my family learned about me that they did not

939
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: know until the book came out. And I think some

940
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: of my other family members just maybe having even read it,

941
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: which is probably good. It's for their own protection, Like

942
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: Grandma doesn't need to know all the people I slept

943
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: with about my acid trip.

944
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: You know, there is something so beautiful though about your

945
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: family and your close friends and you know, your fans

946
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: knowing these intimate things about you, because there's so much

947
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: relatability in heart experiences, whether like people have lived the

948
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: same traumas or ones that were equally as traumatic for them.

949
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: I just think it's like a beautiful thing. If you

950
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: don't mind, I would love to talk a little bit about,

951
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: you know, your baby and what happened.

952
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I had twins. I had twin boys, and

953
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: one of them had a heart defect and he went

954
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: through a surgery at Vanderbilt Hospital and they put in

955
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: the wrong size stint and he didn't make it. And

956
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: if he would have survived those first surgeries, they said

957
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: he only would have lived to be like thirty, which

958
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: would have been maybe even more difficult. I've met so

959
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: many parents who have also lost children. I've also just

960
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: connected with people through grief in this really beautiful way,

961
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: like you know, people coming to concerts or shows and

962
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: getting to meet them while signing records and stuff, and

963
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: they'll say, like, you know, I lost my husband or

964
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: I lost my mother, and this song helped me through

965
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: this really dark time. And I think I think that

966
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: that is the really beautiful thing about grief is that

967
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: it can bring people together. And like I said that,

968
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: it's how you move through it, and it's how you

969
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: decide to grow. And we're all just here for a

970
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: short time. You know, nothing, nothing is promised to us.

971
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: I think when you live with death in the forefront

972
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: of your mind, it actually really allows you to be

973
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: more present and to like enjoy all the little things.

974
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: Was it hard for you to make the decision too,

975
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: because I know you you know, spoke about the experience

976
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: in your music and your memoir, but you know in

977
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: your music first, was it hard to make that decision

978
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: to talk about this experience because it's like deeply personal

979
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: and just horrible.

980
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of sadistic to like write a song

981
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: where you're reliving some of your yeah, darkest moments, but I.

982
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: Feel like it's therapeutic though.

983
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: It is. It really is. Music has has been my

984
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: therapy for a very long time, and I don't know

985
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: where i'd be if I didn't have that as like

986
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: a processing tool. Of course I've done like real therapy

987
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: and stuff as well, but yeah, being able to kind

988
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:13,479
Speaker 1: of talk about some of those darker moments through song,

989
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: it's it's just invaluable.

990
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: When you were in the writing process writing your memoir,

991
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: and I want to make sure we said the name

992
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 2: of your memoir. I know we said at the beginning,

993
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: said it at the beginning of this podcast, but just

994
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: for anybody listening, the title of your memoir is maybe

995
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: We'll make it. And the paperback version is coming out

996
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: really soon, which is exciting.

997
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: What was the biggest lesson you learned while you were

998
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 3: writing your memoir?

999
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: So when I began writing the memoir, I was still drinking,

1000
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: and then I became pregnant, and then I had my daughter,

1001
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: and then COVID like war on and everything, and there

1002
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: was no real like ending. It was like where do

1003
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: I end this? I really kind of just wanted it

1004
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 1: to be about those like formative years of us living

1005
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: in Nashville, because it was just like it was more

1006
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: interesting to talk about the struggle than the like all

1007
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: the cool people have got to hang out with, like

1008
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: Willie Nelson.

1009
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: Isn't that amazing?

1010
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: But it's like you're when you're in that struggle, it's

1011
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: it's like you just can't wait for you for like

1012
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: the balloon to pop and finally like you're living this

1013
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 2: life that you've been dreaming and working so hard towards.

1014
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 2: And then you're like, yeah, but actually the cooler parts

1015
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 2: were the hustle and you know, so much.

1016
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: Fun, the journey on time. Yeah, we had like a

1017
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: really great group of friends and bands that we hung

1018
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: out with. And yeah, I think there's I'm going to

1019
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: be quoting my own book, but I talk about how

1020
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: we were all loser poets, like trying to keep our

1021
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: heads above the water and the booze. But we I

1022
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: don't know if we were all so connected, And yeah,

1023
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: I really I kind of sometimes I do miss the

1024
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: good old battle days.

1025
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a good learning for you know,

1026
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: the people listening.

1027
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: That are in your sheep, the shoes that you were in.

1028
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 3: Then you know, to just take a second and enjoy it.

1029
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, enjoy every bit of it.

1030
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: There's a lot of beauty in the process.

1031
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: That's right.

1032
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: Let's talk about farm Aid because you are the first

1033
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: female board member.

1034
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: Congratulations, Thank you so much.

1035
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about farm Aid, what you

1036
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: guys do, and kind of the purpose behind it and

1037
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: how it started, because there's a really interesting story there.

1038
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: So during the farming crisis of the mid nineteen eighties,

1039
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: my family lost their farm. My father, his brothers, my grandparents,

1040
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: and all of my uncles. It was really traumatic experience

1041
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 1: for them, and it was always kind of there, like

1042
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: when I was growing up as like the elephant in

1043
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: the room that nobody talked about it because it was

1044
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: just too painful. And I've tried to like go back

1045
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: and collect the details on how they lost the farm.

1046
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: Like I know there was a drought, but there was

1047
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: also a lot of stuff with like the government and

1048
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: loans and corrupt people in my town and like a

1049
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: banker who kind of was to blame for some of it.

1050
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: But it's always a man. It's always some dude in

1051
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: town that's like laundering money. But I became the first

1052
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: female board member of farm Aid after being able to

1053
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: perform at those concerts, and I just feel like the

1054
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: organization is so ahead of their time. The first farm

1055
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: Aid was forty years ago. We're about to have the

1056
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: forty year anniversary coming up in Minneapolis this fall. But

1057
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: it just feels like a really full circle moment because

1058
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: of what my family went through and just being able

1059
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: to give back to farmers and the people who are

1060
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: literally growing our food. I see a lot of similarities

1061
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: between deciding to be a farmer and deciding to become

1062
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: a musician, because it's really it's not stable, like you know,

1063
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: financially and everything. You just it's dependent on so many

1064
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: different things, and like a career in music, it takes

1065
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: the perfect climate for everything to grow and to bloom.

1066
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: And I think you know farmers as well, where they

1067
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: have some of the highest like suicide rates unfortunately, and

1068
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: this current administration as well is taking away a lot

1069
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: of things that help those people. And yeah, it's unfortunate.

1070
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: So I'm happy that we can get back, and I'm

1071
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: happy just to go out there and say like, hey,

1072
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: it's really important where you buy your food from, where

1073
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: we purchase things in general, Like I know it's so

1074
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: easy to just get things off of Amazon and to

1075
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: order your groceries from whatever Whole Foods who is also Amazon.

1076
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: But if you see a farmer's market, just stop, stop

1077
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: and purchase something. And yeah, every little bit, every little

1078
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: bit helps.

1079
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: I love knowing that you're going back to your roots

1080
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 3: with it in a way.

1081
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 2: It's it's funny because I grew up in New Jersey

1082
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: and you know, I've been living in New York City

1083
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 2: for the past ten years, and it's just I love

1084
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: meeting people that grew up in such different environments than me,

1085
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: because like growing up, the parents in my town, like

1086
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: they came to the city for work, and some of

1087
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: them were doctors, lawyers, you know, business people in all

1088
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: different sects, whether it was marketing or working in the

1089
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: music industry or you know, in finance, and they just

1090
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Speaker 2: all had really traditional, like in the office jobs.

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Speaker 3: But it's so cool how.

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Speaker 2: When you grow up in different areas, like you're just

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Speaker 2: around different industries and your experience growing up like in

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Speaker 2: a small town with your dad was a farmer, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean that is just it's so fascinating to me.

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Speaker 1: I always wanted I always thought where I was from

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Speaker 1: was very boring. It was just all cornfields, all bean

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Speaker 1: fields and you know, cattle whatever. I always wanted to,

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Speaker 1: like live in the city. It was such a mystery

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Speaker 1: to me. It was like, what are people doing in

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Speaker 1: California and New York? That's right, I want to be.

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Speaker 2: They're literally sitting at their computers typing away. You know,

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Speaker 2: your experience was It's funny, there's yeah, it's all. It's

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Speaker 2: like when you have curly hair and you want strade hair.

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Speaker 2: You have straight hair, you want curly hair. Right, it's

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Speaker 2: but there's beauty and everybody's unique experience. This conversation was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys so much for tuning in to today's episode.

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