1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and welcome to Stefan. Never told 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: your prediction of iHeartRadio, and yes I am solo today. 3 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: We are doing our audiobook recording this week and it's 4 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: just thrown a real wrench and in everything. But I 5 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: think it's going to sound really good, y'all. I think 6 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: it's going to sound really good. And we'll share more 7 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: about that whole process soon because we had a really 8 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: amazing team of women working on it. But in the meantime, yes, 9 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to be doing this episode by myself. It's 10 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: a bit of a shorter one and content warning. We 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: are talking about a very very brief, very brief history 12 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: of kind of LGBTQ, just as like an acronym, and 13 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: I know that the history of that can be triggering, 14 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: and there has been a lot of damage done by 15 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: some of these terms historically, even as we reclaim them. 16 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: And also we're going to make this point more at 17 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: the end, or I'm going to make this point more 18 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: at the end. Not all of this is agreed upon 19 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: and continues to evolve, So just a note on that, 20 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 1: and also just another note, this is a very Eurocentric, 21 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: slash Western history of these terms, and it is missing 22 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: a lot, So we'll talk about that a little bit 23 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: more at the end as well. So all right. Activist 24 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: first adopted LGB in the nineteen nineties. Of these words, 25 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: lesbian came first. For centuries, people have associated the term 26 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: with a Greek woman named Sappho from the island of Lesbos, 27 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: whose poems often revolved around passionate same sex relationships. The 28 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: first known instance of the term goes back to the 29 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: seventeenth century, but in our more modern understanding usage it 30 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: first came into use after being used in medical text 31 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: in the eighteen nineties around sexuality and psychology. Women adopted 32 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: the term and secretly used it to describe themselves. A 33 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: nineteenth century German lawyer named Karl Heinrich Ulrichs is believed 34 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: to have been a gay man and to have been 35 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: the first to coin homosexuality, or at least partly, if 36 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: not the exact word so. In eighteen sixty two he wrote, 37 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: we earnings constitute a special class of human gender. We 38 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: are our own gender, a third sex. Earnings here was 39 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: the word he used to describe men attracted to other men. 40 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: The word was quickly replaced in eighteen sixty nine by 41 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: an Austro Prussian journalist named Kroli Maria kirt Benny. Kirkt 42 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Benny had been in touch with Olrix, and when the 43 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: Prussian government floated the idea of adding language prohibiting sexual 44 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: activity between men, kurt Benny wrote an anonymous open letter 45 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: to the Prussian government calling it shocking nonsense, where he 46 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: used the term homosexuality, a word he'd first used in 47 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: his correspondence with Olris. He also gets the credit for 48 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: coining heterosexuality meaning people attracted to the opposite gender, and 49 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: bisexuality people attracted to both genders. And here we must 50 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: insert an important note as we as a society have 51 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: come to realize that sexuality and gender a spectrums. Bisexuality 52 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: has expanded in definition to mean someone attracted to any 53 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: gender identity, not just men or women, and you can 54 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: see our two part episode on bisexuality for more on that. 55 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: So in this letter, kurt Benny strongly claimed that homosexuality 56 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: was something people were born with, and he really pushed 57 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 1: back against the idea that it was something to be 58 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: ashamed of or an indication of something wrong in heavy quotes. Eventually, 59 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: those in the medical field, especially psychologists, started using these terms, 60 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: as did early gay rights groups. The etymology and origins 61 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: of the word gay are hard to bend down, but 62 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 1: at some point people started using it as a slur. 63 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: Sometime in the nineteen sixties, activists started to reclaim it, 64 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: with men in particular using it despite rampant homophobia and 65 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: laws against queer folks. It was a way to protest 66 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: and to express their love. The word homophile, meaning saying love, 67 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: was also used. Gay grew to encompass same gender love 68 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: or any non heterosexual love in the nineteen eighties, as 69 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: well as gender divergence, and then, as mentioned, LGB came 70 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: into use in the nineteen nineties as a way to 71 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: show solidarity, except it was leaving out transfolks. The term 72 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: transgender goes back to the nineteen sixties and medical text 73 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: and by activists who argued that sex and gender were 74 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: not the same thing. However, it wasn't until the two thousands, 75 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: when the word had largely replaced other outdated and offensive terms, 76 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: that it became more widespread. Then came the Q. Beginning 77 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: of the nineteen tens, queer was used as a slur 78 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: to other and attack those outside of the heteronormative community, 79 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: but also around the nineteen nineties people started to reclaim it. 80 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: At the time, it stood not only for queer but 81 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: also for questioning. In more recent times, a plus sign 82 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: has been added to be more inclusive and intersects a 83 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: sexual two spirit, which has a long often ignored history, 84 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: have also gotten in the mix, and there have been 85 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot of critiques and attempts to make this more 86 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: inclusive and discussions around labels in general. It is not 87 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: at all agreed on or without its flaws and limits. 88 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: A lot of people argue that there's too many labels 89 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: and we can't put them in an acronym, or that 90 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: things are always changing and this doesn't encompass everything and 91 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: everyone and every identity. Others, and sometimes even the same 92 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: people argue that it's also important to have something like this. 93 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: But it is something that is a conversation that's ongoing, 94 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: and it's something that Samantha and I have heard from 95 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: you all about about your thoughts around all of this. 96 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: So definitely not finished the conversation around it, and uh, 97 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: definitely very important conversation to be had, But just write 98 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: in if you have thoughts let us know. Happy pride 99 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: as always, you can email us at Stephandia mom stephant 100 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: iHeartMedia dot com. 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