WEBVTT - Turnabout Is Fair Play

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the podcast, everybody. Amy and TJ both here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm excited about the day's podcast. How about you, TJ. H.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get back to you here shortly about it. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>know how this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to go TVD. And the reason why he said

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<v Speaker 1>that is because we actually talked about this topic together

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<v Speaker 1>and both agreed upon it before we sat down. It

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<v Speaker 1>started and correct me if I'm wrong here, TJ. When

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<v Speaker 1>we were on text with each other and we were

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<v Speaker 1>exploring our feelings, and you suggested, because yes we know

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<v Speaker 1>each other, Yes we'd known each other for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't mean we knew everything about each other.

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<v Speaker 1>And you said to me one night, ask me anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll answer it. I'll be honest, and nothing's off

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<v Speaker 1>the table, and it's funny. Even as somebody who interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>people for a living, I was intimidated. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to ask, what not to ask, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of went for it. And you were extremely honest,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a nice way to further our relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>to deepen our relationship, would you agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize it at the time because I thought

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<v Speaker 2>you'd take advantage of something like that. Because I meant

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<v Speaker 2>it every time I said it, and I had to

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<v Speaker 2>egg you on and push you to ask me a question.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you're of all people, let's know about nothing

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hiding from you, so I don't need to hold

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<v Speaker 2>my tongue or be careful. So it was a relief

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<v Speaker 2>to be asked anything by you.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take turns, and I will put myself

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<v Speaker 1>in the hot seat. But this episode, I actually realized

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<v Speaker 1>as I sat down, I got a ton of questions

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know the answer to, and we agreed that

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't obviously let each other know what the other

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<v Speaker 1>is going to ask, So I don't even know where

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna go with your questions, or what themes you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have, or any of that. And the same goes

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<v Speaker 1>for you. And you ready to get started? Yeah, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's jump in. Let's dive in head first. How would

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<v Speaker 1>you describe your life to someone who didn't know you?

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<v Speaker 2>A life worth living that has the highest of highs

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<v Speaker 2>and the lowest of lows, but not one I would

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<v Speaker 2>ever take back. It was full of opportunity and love

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<v Speaker 2>and family. And I took those lessons with me and

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<v Speaker 2>led to great success, but then some of my greatest failures.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the lessons I had to learn on my

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<v Speaker 2>own and not things I got from the family and

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<v Speaker 2>love coming up. So I have lived a a wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>life that I wish everybody had all the highs, and

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<v Speaker 2>actually I wish some of the lows because they were

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<v Speaker 2>some of the biggest lessons.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you need that you don't currently have?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably a scheduled colin. My sister got on to me

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<v Speaker 2>of this two days ago, sent the text as if

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<v Speaker 2>I had one. I said no, and she said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting older, you need to get one. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing I can think of.

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<v Speaker 1>I like what Tish asked you to do. That's good advice.

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<v Speaker 1>What from your childhood would you say shaped you the most.

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<v Speaker 2>The most is a tough one. Maybe my experience my

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<v Speaker 2>time internal Arkansas country, little town about twenty miles outside

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<v Speaker 2>of where I grew up. That's where my granddad was,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was very close to him and coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I spent so much time in that back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth and that family element internal Arkansas that I think

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<v Speaker 2>so much of what I saw and experienced their shaped

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I think about uncles, and aunts and cousins

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<v Speaker 2>and things that I do that I got from them

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't even realize. So I would say just

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<v Speaker 2>having my granddad, that guy and such close proximity to me,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who only had a third grade education but

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<v Speaker 2>got seven kids through college, and who was a great

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<v Speaker 2>entrepreneur and a businessman and did well for himself, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was just that experience is huge for me in

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<v Speaker 2>my childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a quote from him on your arm one

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<v Speaker 1>of your tattoos.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a long story. The tattoo only says make them

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<v Speaker 2>all happy. And that's a reminder. I lost my grandad

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen, but he was maybe the closest person

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<v Speaker 2>to that point that I had lost. But a childhood

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<v Speaker 2>memory of mine sitting out a window, I was probably

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<v Speaker 2>six seven years old and just sitting at his feet

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<v Speaker 2>around the holidays and he's just, you know, he's holding

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<v Speaker 2>court and just talking trash like it always does. And

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<v Speaker 2>he said to me, why would you ever get married

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<v Speaker 2>and try to make one woman happy when you can

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<v Speaker 2>stay single and make them all happy. Now that's my

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<v Speaker 2>granddad And I was six or seven. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>he was just messing around, being silly and joking, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was to this day a memory from birth to

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen years old. I don't have more vividly than that one.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was just a very special and cool and

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<v Speaker 2>funny moment with my granddad. And I got the tattoo

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<v Speaker 2>after I lost him in to honor them.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your first memory?

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<v Speaker 2>Falling down the steps in kindergarten at a circus field

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<v Speaker 2>trip and a big dude in cowboy boots having to

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<v Speaker 2>stand at the railing as I was going down the

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<v Speaker 2>step to keep me from falling over down maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>few stories to the level below. That is my first

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<v Speaker 2>childhood memory. Falling, Yeah, falling down some steps and being

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<v Speaker 2>saved by a white guy and cowboy boots. No wonder,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm messed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. It's funny because they say your first

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<v Speaker 1>memory is usually a traumatic one and that's why you

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<v Speaker 1>remember first one. I remember, Wow, Okay, were you born

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<v Speaker 1>with swagger?

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<v Speaker 2>Get my mom in near and ask for that. My

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<v Speaker 2>guess is yes, I was born. My due date was

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<v Speaker 2>August sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven. That will sound familiar to

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<v Speaker 2>some folks because that ends up being the day that

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<v Speaker 2>Elvis Presley died August sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven, so I

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<v Speaker 2>always know the anniversary of his death. It was forty

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<v Speaker 2>seven years this year because I'll be forty seven. But

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up being born on August nineteenth, so I

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<v Speaker 2>always joke I just wanted Elvis to have his moment.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to come into the world and try

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<v Speaker 2>to take take some of the spotlight away. So I

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<v Speaker 2>guess I had swagger from birth. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>put that story together.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you're Elvis reincarnated. Whoa thinking of that? He went

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<v Speaker 1>upstairs to meet the big guy and then came back down.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know. I think it's possible. What is something

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<v Speaker 1>that you would like to change about yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>My sleeping habits, that's just a health habit I would

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<v Speaker 2>like to change. I'm getting better about it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>have a hard I have a difficult time forgiving and

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<v Speaker 2>giving people a second chance who aren't already in my

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<v Speaker 2>circle of my world. Like I meet new people or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody I'm not that close to. I don't they screw

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<v Speaker 2>me once and I don't necessarily let that person back in.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to do better about being more forgiving. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying, what is something you'd like to change about me?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to change anything about you, baby, You're perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you said that a little too quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>That is my answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't follow up, what do you miss most about

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<v Speaker 1>your life? Before the tabloids released those pictures of.

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<v Speaker 2>Us anonymity, there was a an ease, I should say,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a complacency, which you can argue that that's

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<v Speaker 2>all what we all want. We all say we want adventure,

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<v Speaker 2>we want something new, we want but truly we just

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<v Speaker 2>we'd like to be comfortable and not stress the hell

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<v Speaker 2>out all the time. But I think there was an

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<v Speaker 2>ease and a comfort just generally speaking to life in

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<v Speaker 2>the direction it was going. That's that I think I

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<v Speaker 2>let sometimes creep back into my head. But I would

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<v Speaker 2>never go back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was just going to ask the next question,

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<v Speaker 1>would you go back to your old job if you could?

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<v Speaker 2>That is, there's a lot of ifs in there, and

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<v Speaker 2>does that include working with you? Does that include working

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<v Speaker 2>with some of the same folks that are still there

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<v Speaker 2>that would involve that would have all a lot, But

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<v Speaker 2>generally speaking, I can't I can't see a path of

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<v Speaker 2>doing that now. I shouldn't say a path. Obviously, nobody's

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<v Speaker 2>over there is thinking about us coming back. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like I couldn't set up a scenario that actually

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense. Okay, Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the biggest misconception people have about you?

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<v Speaker 2>That I'm outgoing, that I am the life of the

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<v Speaker 2>party and an extrovert.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I would agree with that. What is the hardest

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<v Speaker 1>decision you've ever had to make?

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<v Speaker 2>The don't know. There have been a lot of difficult

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<v Speaker 2>decisions that shaped life and would have changed the course

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<v Speaker 2>of my life altogether. I had to make a decision

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<v Speaker 2>to where I was even gonna go to college. I

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<v Speaker 2>had to make a decision to take that job or

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<v Speaker 2>not that job. I had to make a decision to

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<v Speaker 2>get married. I had to make this decision to get divorced.

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<v Speaker 2>Made those decisions twice, actually right those old things came.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the biggest turning points in my

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<v Speaker 2>life that I always wonder about is I had an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to go back to Little Rock, to my home

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<v Speaker 2>state at least Arkansas, and be main anchor at a

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<v Speaker 2>station there. And at the same time I had an

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<v Speaker 2>offer to go to CNN to be an anchor and

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<v Speaker 2>I actually that was a fifty to fifty shot, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people thought I was crazy, and one

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<v Speaker 2>of my best friends at the time I ended up

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<v Speaker 2>having to talk me out of Arkansas saying, look, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>always be there. CNN doesn't always come calling, is what

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<v Speaker 2>he told me. But I was at that point in

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<v Speaker 2>my life to where I was twenty five twenty no, no, no, twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>I was twenty eight. I was twenty eight at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight years old, willing to go back to Little

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<v Speaker 2>Rock and be the big fish in a small pond

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<v Speaker 2>and live out a quieter existence. I was willing to

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<v Speaker 2>do that, and I almost did it. So that was

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<v Speaker 2>a very hard decision that I think back to and wow,

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<v Speaker 2>that really really changed would have changed to the direction

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<v Speaker 2>of my life in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that certainly what I've What would you say is

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<v Speaker 1>your biggest turnoff? I'm talking about when you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Dating someone smoking I can't deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I did know the answer to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this non starter.

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<v Speaker 1>I was trying to ask questions I didn't know the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to, but I actually knew the answer to that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just forgot all right, what's your biggest turn on.

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<v Speaker 2>If a woman can't put on that sounds weird to

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<v Speaker 2>be sitting here with my girlfriend talking about if this woman.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm to ask the question, it's fair if she

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<v Speaker 2>can't put on jeans and a white T shirt and

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<v Speaker 2>belly up to the bar, have a draft beer and

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<v Speaker 2>watch a football game on a Saturday. We're not gonna work.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, but if she does, it's a good start, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a point in my corner. What do you look

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<v Speaker 1>for in a partner?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What are the qualities that matter to you the most?

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<v Speaker 2>You have to There has to be a at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>We all say we want to be happy and seeking happiness,

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<v Speaker 2>but I find it to be peace and anybody that

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<v Speaker 2>disrupts my piece is a problem for me these days.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I look for. I look for somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>is self aware, self confident, certainly not clingy. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>independent is one way to say that. But you just

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<v Speaker 2>can't disrupt my piece. I need someone who is comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>with who she is because I don't need to have

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with you and your issues. You have to.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned that later on in life with so many

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<v Speaker 2>relationships partners I've had the problem is I'm not healthy

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<v Speaker 2>enough to help anybody else, So I need somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>is in her own good place so it doesn't disrupt

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<v Speaker 2>the work I've done and the piece I have finally

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<v Speaker 2>been able to get.

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<v Speaker 1>This sounds like an interview question, but I'm actually curious

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<v Speaker 1>what the answer is. What would you tell twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>year old TJ just getting out of.

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<v Speaker 2>College, have a good time, homie, have a good time. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>what did go get them? Have a good time? Enjoy yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>I can say is you know, look, I'll be careful,

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<v Speaker 2>do the best you can. Try not to hurt yourself

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<v Speaker 2>if I hurt anybody else. But other than that, I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not be sitting here with you, the love

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<v Speaker 2>of my life, if that twenty two year old TJ

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<v Speaker 2>took my advice and did anything different. Yeah, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>go on that path and go on that journey, and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know where you're gonna end up.

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<v Speaker 1>So I won't ask the questions do you have any regrets,

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<v Speaker 1>because the answer would be no.

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<v Speaker 2>The only one is I kind of regret that I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't continue playing football out of junior high school. It

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<v Speaker 2>sounds crazy, but I was. I stuck with basketball. It's

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<v Speaker 2>already always a pretty good basketball player, and I had

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<v Speaker 2>some smaller college opportunities out of high school. But as

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<v Speaker 2>good as I was in basketball, I was a better

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<v Speaker 2>football player. And if I actually broke my ankle, and

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<v Speaker 2>I said to hell with this after I broke my ankle,

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<v Speaker 2>but if I had continued with football, I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>wonder I wouldn't call it a regret. But that's the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think we would have been friends in high school?

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<v Speaker 2>I should qualify that by saying where were we attending

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<v Speaker 2>high school? Some neighborhoods, some blocks, some cities. Maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>would have never been rolling with the same crowd, but

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<v Speaker 2>generally too, I think what your question is, yes, what

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<v Speaker 2>we would have cut up and clowned and gotten in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of trouble, But yeah, personality wise, and you

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<v Speaker 2>and I, yeah we would have been fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we would have been the kids who were

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<v Speaker 1>separated in class for talking to You always said, but

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were going to take the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>point out that you were in middle school when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh no, you said, would we have been good

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<v Speaker 2>in high school together?

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought you might take the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's fun and it was college. You were in

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<v Speaker 2>college when I was in junior high school. No, we

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<v Speaker 2>did some numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because junior high school to you was ninth grade

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<v Speaker 1>and that's seventh or nine. Yeah, I see that was

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<v Speaker 1>different for me. Middle school was six to eight. So

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<v Speaker 1>in my world, I was you were in high school.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was in When you were a freshman in

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<v Speaker 2>college was what.

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<v Speaker 1>Year nineteen ninety one?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I was doing. I was in Junior

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<v Speaker 2>High West Junior High in West Memphis, Arkansas. Yes, home

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<v Speaker 2>of the Blue Imps. That's where I was when you

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<v Speaker 2>were freshman in college. So wow, I guess I did

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<v Speaker 2>have swagger right.

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<v Speaker 1>All right? I would tease some of the questions I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask you, but I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 1>prep for them. So stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back everyone, TJ. Remaining on a hot seat, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just dig right in. So what do you

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<v Speaker 1>worry about most?

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<v Speaker 2>TJ? Uh bean being okay? My health and business and

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<v Speaker 2>professional success?

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<v Speaker 1>What is something you could say right now that would

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<v Speaker 1>surprise me?

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<v Speaker 2>I say that surprises you. You would be surprised to know.

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<v Speaker 1>That.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as we get done with our work today,

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<v Speaker 2>in this podcast that I need to take up an

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<v Speaker 2>issue with you from an email that I sent you earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Great, that just sounds so much fun, Like maybe I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to extend this even further.

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<v Speaker 2>My response is you asked, can't wait for that?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Who would you like to interview most on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>Diane Warren, Jimmy Allen, Matt, and Rachel. I'll leave it

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<v Speaker 2>at that. You said who is one? But those are

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<v Speaker 2>three that popped into three or four that popped into

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<v Speaker 2>my mind immediately. All right, and I say, Matt and Rachel.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe some do know, but Matt, Matt James, we will

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<v Speaker 2>I have him on with Rachel. I'm actually looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to it they having that conversation with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're good people, and I think we've had some

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<v Speaker 1>shared experiences. What is your most embarrassing moment?

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<v Speaker 2>Most? There have been a lot of embarrassing moments. I

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<v Speaker 2>picked one, but all right, I'll pick the one in

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<v Speaker 2>which I was new to k In TV out in

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<v Speaker 2>the Bay Area, the NBC station out there. I was

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<v Speaker 2>fairly new. I was filling in for the main anchor

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<v Speaker 2>on the late news and they did not update the

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<v Speaker 2>prompter at the top of the show. His name was

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<v Speaker 2>still in the prompter, and I introduced myself by calling

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<v Speaker 2>myself his name.

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard that story of before, but it's always

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<v Speaker 1>good to repeat. I didn't I forgot you were going

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<v Speaker 1>to go there, But yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know it was. But that's the most embarrassing

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's come to mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a video of that anywhere?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know it was tapes and whatnot

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<v Speaker 2>back then, so it's probably long gone, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Beta tapes or something, so man, that would have been

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<v Speaker 1>fun to watch. All right. I don't know the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to this. Do you care what people think about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? We all do. We can't help it. If anybody

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<v Speaker 2>says no, they don't, then well I think it's rare

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<v Speaker 2>that people don't care what people think about them, but

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody does. It's just a matter of how

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<v Speaker 2>much are you willing to adjust who you are to

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<v Speaker 2>try to be liked? And that's I guess that's where

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<v Speaker 2>it stops. I care up to that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was gonna ask how much do you care?

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<v Speaker 1>How much does it affect you?

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<v Speaker 2>Not very much these days, because I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>people think of me, because I don't spend time reading anything,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know. But I obviously I'm aware that folks

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<v Speaker 2>out there will continue to say particular things about us,

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<v Speaker 2>and there'll be a narrative that's some a narrative that

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<v Speaker 2>some won't ever get away from. But care, Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>we have to care to a certain degree more in

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<v Speaker 2>that we actually work in public life to where what

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<v Speaker 2>somebody thinks of you or somebody we've seen it a

0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:09.600
<v Speaker 2>hashtag costs people's jobs and careers and opportunities. And we'll

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<v Speaker 2>think some think that's okay, and some deserve that, an

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<v Speaker 2>others say some don't. But the point just being it's

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<v Speaker 2>what people think of us is not just a personal impact.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be a professional one.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say is your worst habit.

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<v Speaker 2>Worst habit, worst habit, worst habit? I have a bad

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<v Speaker 2>habit of blank ah worse. I mean, oh god, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of the habits have bad. A

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<v Speaker 2>sleeping habit. Not sleeping is not a habit.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it can be, and it kind of is for you.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's awful. It's it's there's a countdown clock going

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<v Speaker 2>for me every single day that's going to expire at

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<v Speaker 2>about four thirty am. So the closer I get to

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<v Speaker 2>that time, is how much sleep I'm going to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>So if it's ten o'clock at night, eleven o'clock at night, midnight,

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<v Speaker 2>some people can go to bed at midnight and this

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just sleep in until seven or eight. I go

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<v Speaker 2>to bed at midnight. I go to bed at one,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. I am getting up at four point thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have this kind of countdown in my head

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<v Speaker 2>every single day. And you've seen this. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to set my alarm. I just pop up. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that's a habit, that's a that's

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<v Speaker 2>a health habit I need to change. But that's an

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<v Speaker 2>awful one.

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<v Speaker 1>And that countdown clock does not help. Isn't that just

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety producing?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it probably keeps me from falling asleep faster. I

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<v Speaker 2>think a lot of people can at least relate to

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<v Speaker 2>staring at like it's midnight and that, oh god, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to get up at five, and then you're so

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<v Speaker 2>stressed that you're missing sleep that you can't sleep. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily have that of anxiety about it.

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<v Speaker 4>What is your biggest pet peeve about other people? Folks

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<v Speaker 4>that stand on an escalator. We'll get that twice as

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<v Speaker 4>fas as folks if you just walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So I wrote an escalator down with you one

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<v Speaker 1>time and you said to me, this isn't a ride.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not an amusement park ride.

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<v Speaker 1>I was confused, and You're like, what are you waiting on?

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<v Speaker 2>Move? Yeah, that must have been early on because you

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<v Speaker 2>know now now I know, do not stand on.

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<v Speaker 1>The escalator when you're with TJ. What are you most

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of?

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<v Speaker 2>I am a I am afraid of. I guess all

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<v Speaker 2>my fears have to do with sabine right, have to

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<v Speaker 2>do with family, have to do with health, have to

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<v Speaker 2>do with those things. But in day to day life,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I've gotten away from that. And I used

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<v Speaker 2>to be that queste and five years ago would have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten a word to spawned a much different answer. But

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<v Speaker 2>it seems weird to be at a place where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not daily or generally fearful or worried or scared of something.

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<v Speaker 2>Fear I don't know. I mean, I guess I'm supposed

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I guess I'm not supposed to say

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<v Speaker 2>I fear death, not necessarily. I mean, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>about it like that I don't know. I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I fear you're fearless. I won't say that, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>because I always think you right. This courage is is

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<v Speaker 2>is understanding, feeling, acknowledging the fear, and then doing it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to think that. I mean, even this

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<v Speaker 2>venture of what we're doing here, there was a little

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<v Speaker 2>fearful of trying something new. But I don't necessarily think

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<v Speaker 2>that's what you mean. That sounds a smaller thing. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what on a regular basis I fear

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<v Speaker 2>that's one I actually don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, honest answer there, Other than smoking, what would

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<v Speaker 1>be a relationship deal breaker for you? Other than well,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what you had said before, a turnoff?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, other than smoking? I mean, try something. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>a challenge you rich your best shot? Other than a turnoff,

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<v Speaker 2>a turnoff and getting into a relationship or versus getting out,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not thinking of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is like being in a relationship with somebody

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<v Speaker 1>and could somebody do something that is a relationship deal

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<v Speaker 1>breaker for you? Asking for a friend?

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<v Speaker 2>Um, I think there is a trust element having to

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<v Speaker 2>do with right, you told me it's not a deal breaker,

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<v Speaker 2>but you told me something not long ago that you

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<v Speaker 2>had never told me, because you revealed to someone that

0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.760
<v Speaker 2>we were dating, and you hadn't told me that you

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<v Speaker 2>did that ahead of time, even though I'd asked you before.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about it plenty, and you never told me

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<v Speaker 2>that those types of like, I feel like that was

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<v Speaker 2>a betrayal of a friendship, even more so than a

0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:01.399
<v Speaker 2>betrayal of the relationship, and that I don't want that

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>stuff to stack up. Yeah, so that would drive me

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<v Speaker 2>crazy because then everything I'm thinking, Well, I asked her

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:09.719
<v Speaker 2>not to tell her parents that, and she did it. Anyway, Well,

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I asked her to do this and she did It.

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<v Speaker 2>Is those little little things that would break down to

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<v Speaker 2>trust certainly that I've formed with you over a decade.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, yep, okay, that makes sense. What is the most

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful compliment you've.

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<v Speaker 2>Received being a good daddy?

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, and you are a very good daddy.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say is your biggest insecurity?

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<v Speaker 2>I have bad feet ding That was just a have.

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<v Speaker 1>A very bad toe.

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<v Speaker 2>We know, we saw only said that to bye some time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay, I'm going to be doing the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on with a real answer.

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<v Speaker 1>What s biggest insecurity because you don't seem like a

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<v Speaker 1>very insecure person at all. In fact, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you are one of the most secure people I've ever met,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet I know you're human, So you have to

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<v Speaker 1>have some sort of insecurity that pecks away at you

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit here and there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm insecure about, you know what. And this made me

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<v Speaker 2>have something to do with our our business right for

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<v Speaker 2>so long, for too long, I attached my worth, my value,

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<v Speaker 2>my identity to the accolades or the adoration I was

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<v Speaker 2>getting publicly. So when that goes away in a way

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<v Speaker 2>it did to where we got more famous than ever,

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<v Speaker 2>but not for what our jobs were. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>it was definitely an insecurity that then many folks in

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<v Speaker 2>the public and in privately friends and family reassured you

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<v Speaker 2>and let you know, wow, that is that is not

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<v Speaker 2>what I am known for. That is not what people

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<v Speaker 2>are complimenting me for. That is not what people are

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<v Speaker 2>rooting for me for. That's not That's not it. And

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<v Speaker 2>we know that, and we've you know, I've talked plenty

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<v Speaker 2>about authors we read and lessons we learned. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, I think that's an insecurity I had

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<v Speaker 2>and something I'd worked on in years prior to get

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<v Speaker 2>away from that and to make sure I always remember

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<v Speaker 2>who I am, which has nothing to do what I

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<v Speaker 2>ever did on air.

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<v Speaker 1>You actually set this question up earlier with one of

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<v Speaker 1>your answers, but I already had it written down. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is it so hard for you to forgive? And I

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<v Speaker 1>put me in parentheses, But just in general.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I actually could probably go back somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>if I had to unpack this with a with a therapist.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have always been that way. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always been that way. Just it's more so I

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<v Speaker 2>can forgive people who are I forgive my sister, my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>you man, close friends, we all get into beefs. But

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<v Speaker 2>when it's someone who's just I don't know that well.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's someone I just have a difficult time being

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<v Speaker 2>disappointed let down. Maybe those are some of my own expectations,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just don't let a whole lot of people in.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your love language?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't keep up with what these damn things are.

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.320
<v Speaker 2>It's five of them, and then y'all say it six.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had to pick between, I think physical touch,

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<v Speaker 1>words of affirmation.

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<v Speaker 2>There are the gifts in there, right, gifts is in there?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably words of affirmation, words.

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<v Speaker 1>Of affirmation, this acts of service. I think I'm missing ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh quality time. Quality time is the other one.

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Quality time is a big one for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so those two words of affirmation and quality time.

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<v Speaker 2>The gifts isn't there? Okay, so all of them. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trilingual when it comes to love languages.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that, all right. When did you know you

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<v Speaker 1>loved me?

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<v Speaker 2>I think from birth there was something. Oh, it was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of something on that August nineteenth and West Memphis

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<v Speaker 2>all those years ago, just a hole in my heart

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:16.680
<v Speaker 2>from birth. Doctors couldn't figure it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, answer please, Look, I'm still not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dealing with yo. That was a joke. Everybody got

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<v Speaker 2>cold and Jesus sold.

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>That very well. I kind of sucked my breath and

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>got stone cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Quiet. Oh he's just snorting about it over there. That's

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 2>a good laugh. That's a good laugh. Loved you for

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>a long time, loved you, been in love with you

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<v Speaker 2>in this way? When I knew that? And I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of it in my mind, like when did I know

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm in trouble? When did I know oh oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be a dressed I campinpoint, but I twenty

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<v Speaker 2>post pandemic twenty twenty. When was that, damn girl?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we started working together in twenty twenty, like closely,

0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>we always work together, but we actually shared in America that.

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm the twenty twenty It was early twenty twenty two.

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.280
<v Speaker 2>We didn't start talking about it until much nutel later.

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>But when I thought that was an issue was for me?

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Was twenty twenty two going into I don't know spring

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>certainly somewhere, but spring twenty twenty two is what I

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 2>would say.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you motivate yourself when you're feeling down or

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<v Speaker 1>uninspired or just low? What do you do?

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<v Speaker 2>I have learned now that I need to stop and

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<v Speaker 2>rest and take could beat. Usually I would try to

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<v Speaker 2>push through. I would pop another five hour energy, stay

0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 2>up all night. But I've learned now that sometimes I'm

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<v Speaker 2>less productive by staying up for three hours and not

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<v Speaker 2>getting anything done instead of just taking one hour break

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:18.720
<v Speaker 2>and being much more productive. So that's I've learned that

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>to motivate myself, I don't need a whole lot of it.

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I need I get down and I get low. But

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<v Speaker 2>when I do that. I need rest, mental rest, physical rest.

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 2>But as far as motivation, You've seen this time and

0:30:30.640 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 2>time again that the alarm doesn't have to go off.

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:38.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't hit snooze. If it does, I hit off

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<v Speaker 2>and jump out of the bit and I am off

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>and running. I don't need to go. Get tea first

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 2>and crust out of my eyes and I'm ready to go.

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>That's me every day.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your best life advice for someone who is

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<v Speaker 1>starting out in adulthood? Like, what would you what would

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>be your best advice that, with everything you've learned, everything

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.959
<v Speaker 1>we've been through, what would you say?

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<v Speaker 2>I would tell folks, don't let perfect to get in

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<v Speaker 2>the way of good, which is some great advice I

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>got a while back. This point you have given all

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>we know. I don't know what to advise anybody. Cool luck,

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 2>but we went through. But no, you have to screw

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 2>up early and often make as many of them. Don't ever,

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>don't be afraid when you're eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one.

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Don't be afraid then, because you can actually make a

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>mistake you can recover from. But screw up early. Don't

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:52.320
<v Speaker 2>get scared early, and do it absolutely all and maybe

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe you have time in life to correct some of

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 2>those mistakes you made early on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I wish I had gotten that advice about twenty

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 1>years ago. Okay, so lightning round when we come back,

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 1>stay with us. Okay, here we are with a lightning

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<v Speaker 1>round for TJ. Holmes favorite movie of all time?

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<v Speaker 2>Ten Commandments.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's surprise.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Charleston heston you and Brennard that movie, favorite movie

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<v Speaker 2>all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know that. Yep, very interesting. Okay. What's

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing that made you cry?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably you?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't say, who is the last person to make

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 1>you cry?

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Something you said? The last thing that made me cry?

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<v Speaker 1>I duly noted. I'm not going to ask what it was,

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>because I probably just don't. I want to keep that

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<v Speaker 1>to ourselves. What song will get you on the dance floor?

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<v Speaker 2>A sap rocky f problems?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? Favorite country you visited?

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<v Speaker 2>Morocco?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe?

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Wait, there's a Brazil in there. Give me one a second. Maybe, Oh, Frances, for.

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<v Speaker 1>So many good ones.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying just what trip I enjoyed the most. Let's

0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 2>go with France.

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, And what what country do you still want to

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<v Speaker 1>visit that you haven't yet that's on the top of

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:29.720
<v Speaker 1>your list.

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Top Egypt is way up there.

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>We are in sync with that, all right. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the answer to this favorite color black that's mine?

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta have some silly ones.

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<v Speaker 2>You see me. The color I wear most is probably

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<v Speaker 2>I do wear black most, but as far as being

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<v Speaker 2>on TV blue, I would go with a lot of blue. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Favorite holiday Thanksgiving? Oh, I knew that. Dang celebrity crush.

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 2>There are so many. Mom oh god, Zazie Beats, Helen Muhren,

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Emily Blunt, Angela Bassett.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, you can stop now, my god, Edgar Ramirez, Denzel Washington.

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:34.480
<v Speaker 3>I should have qualified that question. Name your favorite or

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<v Speaker 3>your biggest celebrity crush? It's okay, I liked it. Last

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<v Speaker 3>thing you searched on Google?

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<v Speaker 2>Damn, I don't know that's a good shot. Check yeah,

0:34:46.640 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 2>check it. Okay, you want to ask the next one while.

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>You're do you believe in astrology?

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<v Speaker 2>It's fun to play around with, but not really.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so leo of you. Last book you read cover

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<v Speaker 1>to cover? Yeah, I'm really curious what this one is

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 1>cover to.

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<v Speaker 2>Cover with cover to cover? Hiesh. You know what Cover

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 2>to Cover? You know what it was? It was Will

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Smith's biography, autobiography, Okay, because I had an interview coming

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>up with him, and yeah, cover to Cover. I think

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:26.359
<v Speaker 2>that was the last one because I had read all

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 2>the singers stuff, Marchol Singer and yeah, I think i'd

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 2>read all that beforehand. I think that was it.

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>I listened to that book. It's still I mean that

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 1>it is an amazing book. It's an amazing read. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the last thing you googled?

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<v Speaker 2>Art Malick?

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<v Speaker 1>Please explain?

0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 2>He is the actor who plays the villain in True Lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did you google that? I was trying to remember

0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 2>who he was. I had the movie on, and you

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:00.839
<v Speaker 2>know I always have something on in the True Lies

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 2>is one of my absolute favorites. David Lee Curtis is

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.960
<v Speaker 2>one of our absolute favorites of all time, and he

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 2>is the bad guy, the terrorist in it. But he

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>is a British actor and I was trying to look

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 2>up his background. That is the last thing that I googled.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very funny. Okay, best gift you've ever received, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I got.

0:36:22.080 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 2>A lot of crappy gifts.

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Or they're so good you can't pick.

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<v Speaker 2>The best I've ever received. That's todd I really do

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<v Speaker 2>not know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a gift that you remember about that?

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Because have you ever gone through Christmas and you're like, wait,

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 1>someone asks you what your favorite gift is and you

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.240
<v Speaker 1>can't even remember one of them? Was there a memorable gift?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I got? I got when I was

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, five six seven. I got a a

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Gi Joe set. They had like forty fifty pieces in it.

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I cannot remember being that excited about a gift since.

0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I've got a lot nice gifts, but the

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:02.799
<v Speaker 2>greatest scale. I was trying to think that anybody ever

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.760
<v Speaker 2>give me a car or a suit or a house

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 2>or pay my rent for the month or something. I've

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:11.360
<v Speaker 2>never gotten anything on that scale.

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, but memorable? I like that. What would

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 1>your last meal be?

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I need a shrimps of each to start. I need

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 2>a caesar salad no croutons, dressing on the side with

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 2>anchovies as well. I need a lobster ravioli to go

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 2>along with my bone in filet let's cooked midrare. And

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 2>I need a bread pudding for dessert.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay that yes, none of those things surprise me, all right,

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>best way.

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 2>To die as late as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair Favorite interview I hate when people ask me this,

0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:58.480
<v Speaker 1>but I'm asking it to you. Favorite interview of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>All time, probably a series of them I did with

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Alex Trebek. Favorite because I just learned so much from

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 2>him in the time I got to spend with him,

0:38:08.600 --> 0:38:12.359
<v Speaker 2>which was a lot. But that it will always stand out.

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Have been so many over the years obviously for it.

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 2>But you enjoy them for different reasons. You enjoy some

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.439
<v Speaker 2>of them because they made big headlines and we're good

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 2>for your career. Others because you got to meet great people,

0:38:22.120 --> 0:38:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and it is the whole range of emotions with Alex Trebek.

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.719
<v Speaker 2>But he was somebody I've valued spending time with and

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 2>will always be a blessings. Been around him as much

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 2>as I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was very cool that time you got with him.

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:37.320
<v Speaker 1>We all learned a lot from you about him. A

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<v Speaker 1>dream car.

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 2>That I've owned them, I think already. Well, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big car guy, but I'm not a big

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<v Speaker 2>exotic car guy. So I yeah, I had for a

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<v Speaker 2>few years a red Corps. Yeah, a bright red Corvette,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was car I missed that car a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>It was sick shift right, it was a six seed.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see it now, I can see me in

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<v Speaker 2>it now. But my dream car, I am a very

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<v Speaker 2>basic dude. I want a just a fully loaded white

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<v Speaker 2>Chevy Tahoe and I'll be happy the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, best stress reliever.

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<v Speaker 2>Running.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very, very true. I love that this is

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<v Speaker 1>out of the lightning round because I just maybe want

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<v Speaker 1>to end on something, you know, insightful, something to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the listener with. What would you say is your biggest

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<v Speaker 1>takeaway takeaway from the aftermath of this past year.

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<v Speaker 2>Biggest is the biggest. There are so many I have.

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<v Speaker 2>The takeaway has to be that this two shell pass.

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<v Speaker 2>People have told me that my entire life, or when

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<v Speaker 2>something comes up, and so many did tell me that

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<v Speaker 2>this time you can tell. Sometimes people say in passing,

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<v Speaker 2>and some people say it still being sincere, but others

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<v Speaker 2>say it from experience, and it really does. It never

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<v Speaker 2>feels like it when you're it's happening to you and

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<v Speaker 2>you in the moment, but it is absolutely true that

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<v Speaker 2>with time things pass, heels, wounds do heal, and there

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a way forward. So I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I have learned that more than anything. It's actually true.

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<v Speaker 1>And here is the question that so many of us

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<v Speaker 1>ask at the end of interviews. Is there anything I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't ask you that you'd like to say?

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<v Speaker 2>Nope? And I love when the interview e would say that, no,

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<v Speaker 2>good to go. All right, my plane's taken off here

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<v Speaker 2>an now and half.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, you covered it all great, good to hear. How

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<v Speaker 1>did that feel?

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<v Speaker 2>How did it feel? It was fine? I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna, you know, take issue with the interviewer. You're

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<v Speaker 2>the professional here.

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<v Speaker 1>I like asking the questions. Which one do you prefer most?

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<v Speaker 2>Asking or answering? Yes? Asking? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Same.

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<v Speaker 2>It's easier for me though, to answer them, because, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you can ask me anything. It wasn't too

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<v Speaker 2>much in here that was so so out of the

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<v Speaker 2>box or controversial or threw me off to where I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't feel like I could just open my mouth and speak.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't you know. There are times our entire careers

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<v Speaker 2>were on live television. You always to some degree have

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<v Speaker 2>to be mindful of what comes out of your mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't be completely honest, you can't got to couch

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<v Speaker 2>it a little bit. And this is just an environment

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<v Speaker 2>here where I don't feel like I have to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and this episode is not one where I felt that either.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's good. That makes that feels good?

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<v Speaker 4>Is there?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious? Is there a question you thought I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask that I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, no, okay, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, more to come. I love it. Well, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you TJ for being our guest on the Amy and

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<v Speaker 1>TJ Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. I like what you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>doing here.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you come back next week or on a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days. It'd be nice to have you around

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<v Speaker 1>in the studio. I know where to find you, all right, everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find us on Instagram at Amy and TJ Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We're both on Gosh, we both joined TikTok. We have

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<v Speaker 1>our private Instagram accounts. There are numerous ways you all

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<v Speaker 1>can reach out, but we hope you will, and we

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<v Speaker 1>hope you have a fantastic day.