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Speaker 1: Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it now,

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Speaker 1: release slowly again deep in helle hold release, repeating internally

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Speaker 1: to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am deeply,

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Speaker 1: deeply well. I I am deeply deep well. I am

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Speaker 1: deeply well. I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply

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Speaker 1: Well Podcast. Welcome to Deeply Well. Hi, I'm Debbie Brown.

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Speaker 1: This is your soft place to land. This is a

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Speaker 1: show where we are curious, we are creative, and we

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Speaker 1: are connected to an intention of higher consciousness and transformation.

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Speaker 1: This is where you heal, this is where you become.

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Speaker 1: This episode, wow, I am. I always feel deeply open, grateful,

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Speaker 1: enthusiastic for every guest that comes on this show, but

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Speaker 1: this one a little bit different. This is going to

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Speaker 1: take it up a match. I am really blessed today

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Speaker 1: on this show to have one of my dearest friends,

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Speaker 1: so much depth, joy, intention, introspection and real tools to

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Speaker 1: so many in the world today. I am joined by

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Speaker 1: my leak teal. Let me give you a little rundown

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Speaker 1: on my leak before we get started. My leak And

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Speaker 1: is astute business woman who unapologetically pursues excellence in all

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Speaker 1: that she does. My Leak Teal is a founder and

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Speaker 1: chief Experience officer of CurlBOX, the first monthly subscription service

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Speaker 1: for naturally textured hair. Through her notable career as a

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Speaker 1: public reallygations executive, major clients and brands across many industries

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Speaker 1: such as entertainment, tech, and beauty have sought her talents

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Speaker 1: as a consultant and collaborator. A teacher at heart, her

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Speaker 1: wildly popular podcast My Taught You has become her global

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Speaker 1: life on their own terms. Recently, she's launched an online

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Speaker 1: community empowering Black Moms. My Leak's work centers on black women,

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Speaker 1: and the most significant intention behind her work is to

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Speaker 1: do the internal work external success hinges on. When she's

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Speaker 1: hidden behind pages of a good book.

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Speaker 2: Welcome my Leash, thank you for having me. I'm thrilled

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Speaker 2: to be here, thrilled.

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Speaker 1: I'm like so we're friends friends, right, friends, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: we're definitely you know, you'll see us hopping in each

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Speaker 1: other's comments and all that, but we're friends in real life.

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Speaker 1: So it was really fun because before this episode we

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Speaker 1: spent the morning together. Yes, and I had to be like, wait,

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Speaker 1: the show the last time. Well, I recently had an

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Speaker 1: amazing opportunity to be on your show as you took

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Speaker 1: over the Samsung stage. Yes, in New York. My leek

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Speaker 1: It was so fun. Yeah, before that, I was on

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Speaker 1: your show five years ago. I can't believe when we

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Speaker 1: were both pregnant, Yes, our sons. And you know, something

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Speaker 1: we have been reflecting on is that journey of kind

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Speaker 1: But we were like reading people there, right, we were

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Speaker 3: We were. We were and miserably pregnant together.

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Speaker 2: Come on, yes, you know it's the curiosity that this requires, Like,

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Speaker 1: Which then triggers in a lot of people, Yes, this

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and just getting to a point where I can

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Speaker 2: what would life be like if you were unafraid of

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Speaker 2: you know, and I can apologize and I'm sorry that

438
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to meet that need. And I think

439
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: that's a lot of what we all are just wanting

440
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: to hear.

441
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: Yes, it is just the accountability, that's it.

442
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but accountability is not.

443
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 5: Easy deeply, Well, talk to me about my leak.

444
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: Mamas. You created a really amazing group of women in

445
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: a multitude of way. Is like you have a forum,

446
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: you have an amazing newsletter with so many tools. You

447
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: have meetups that are happening all around the country with

448
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: black moms. Yes, you know, coming as someone that especially

449
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: from what I know about you as a woman, as

450
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: someone that has always sought to serve, You've always sought

451
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: to share wisdom, whatever wisdom you got, I've always seen

452
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: you say how do I get this out of me

453
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: and into the world in service to other people? Yes,

454
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: you've always been doing that. But then this next layer

455
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: of really supporting black moms, yes, and really sharing information

456
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: creating safe space to explore a lot of parents from

457
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: family systems that weren't into this. You know what we're

458
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: calling it now, this quoe unquote gentle parenting. Right, tell

459
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: me about the formation of this part of your life?

460
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: Of this was I, you know there once I became

461
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: a parent and I realized how unacknowledged black mothers are,

462
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: and just across the board, it's this idea of like,

463
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, I think it's like eighty percent of black

464
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: mothers work, so there's no like meetup for a working

465
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: mom to go have coffee at eight thirty.

466
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: Or nine thirty. She's at work. You know, she's working.

467
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: And you know, I was thinking to myself, just because

468
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: I've created a flexible life for myself, you know, I'm

469
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: able to I can read more. And I kept saying

470
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: to myself, how would a black mother, how would she

471
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: show up if she had more info. It's like, I'm

472
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: not trying to tell you what to do, but I

473
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: want you to know that, like, hey, here's what you

474
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: need to know about this. Here's what you need to

475
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: know about that. Here's what I read, almost like a

476
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: cheat off my paper. I've had the time because what

477
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: I realized very quickly after I brought my second baby home.

478
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: I was like, there is no joy in this if

479
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: you cannot regulate your emotions, all the crime, all the work,

480
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 2: you know, and so little by little, Debbie I started with.

481
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: I started with just an email newsletter of like, this

482
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: is all the stuff I found, This is all the

483
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: stuff I needing you and I you've been paying me.

484
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: You need these sheets for better sleep, you know. So

485
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, when you're in this, when you're in

486
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: this space and you are just depleted and sleep deprived,

487
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: you really do need someone to just hand it over

488
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: to you. And so so I started doing the newsletter

489
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: and then people just kept pinging me. I would I'd

490
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: be out in the world and everyone that would stop

491
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: me would just be like, you know, I'm not a mother,

492
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: but all of the things that you share they really

493
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: help me. Or I am a mother, or my kid's nineteen,

494
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: you know. And so I was out one day, Debbie,

495
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: and a woman stopped me and was like, I have

496
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 2: a three year old, and you know, I keep up

497
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: with what you're doing.

498
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: I'm in your group.

499
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: And my son was just having a hard time one day.

500
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: He's screaming and crying and I offered him a hug,

501
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: and essentially she was just like, it works, and it's

502
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: not just about us trying to raise better humans, because

503
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: we are, but it's like it's about us wanting to

504
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: be better humans. We want to be we want to

505
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: feel better as we do this.

506
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: And so.

507
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: The group what I started to realize as we were

508
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: in just like community, and I was like, I can't

509
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: believe I'm going to do this because I am a

510
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: person who's like I love people.

511
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: But this might be too much for me.

512
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: But the call just kept saying, my league not just

513
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't want just want you to show up in

514
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: an email. I don't want you to show up in

515
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: a farm. I want you to just show up in person.

516
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: And so we started gathering in person and we had

517
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: to meet up recently where we rented out an entire

518
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: sort of like play space, and you just have twenty

519
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: two black moms and little black kids like the Squeels

520
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: and the Freedom Like there were some kids who didn't

521
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: want to join. And in my experience, you know, back

522
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: in the day, it would be like you get over there,

523
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: like there would be all this like this pride of

524
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: like I need to show you how good of a

525
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: parent I am by how well my kid cooperates, and

526
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: you just had some kids just kind of like nah.

527
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: And it was just the freedom of like some kids

528
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: were participating, some kids weren't, but all kids were free

529
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: and all moms were free. And I was like, we

530
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: need more of this, more of this, please, And so.

531
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: We do we do play days. We do.

532
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: We had like a little Christmas party, uh. And I

533
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: mean and we are playing games, Debbie. I mean, I

534
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: just the playfulness that we are welcoming into our lives.

535
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: So it's not just a playd eight for the kids.

536
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: The moms are playing. So the mamas are playing, they're gardening,

537
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: they're sharing stories, they're saving money. You know, we're talking

538
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: about generational wealth doesn't mean anything without generational health, mental health,

539
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: you know. And we're parenting for the lifelong relationship. Our

540
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: kids are going to be out of our home far

541
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: longer than they're going to be in there.

542
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: And so we heard a time. Yes we you know

543
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 3: what is it?

544
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: Roots and wings? Like I want you to fly, but

545
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: I would like for you to know that, like this

546
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: is where your roots are and for you to want

547
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: to come back and see and see me and even today,

548
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: I still ask my son, I mean, I know, I

549
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: know you're going to go, but do you think you'll

550
00:32:58,440 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: ever come back?

551
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: You'll ever come back and visit mob for holidays? You know.

552
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: It's like when they get partnered.

553
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, like, how can I how do I get

554
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: on the top of the list. Everyone's welcome, bring everyone,

555
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: bring everyone in. So yeah, and so I just I

556
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: love the mamas. I love watching them sort of transform

557
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: and be in community with each other and make friends

558
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: and learn, and so it is the thing that I

559
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: wake up and I want to do every day, you know,

560
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: is check on my mom's check on the kids. You know,

561
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: because a free mom, I mean a free black mother

562
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: can literally change the world.

563
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

564
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: So we're loving on those babies, love and sharing pictures

565
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: Easter fits. We did see them in the in the

566
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: outfits and the smiles, the joy, the smiles on all

567
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: those little kids' faces because they're mothers are for your

568
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: working towards freedom.

569
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's huge for me.

570
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: God, and especially like I'm thinking of especially like the

571
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: single moms, yes, or in that group, like as someone

572
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: that was raised by a single mom, that is a

573
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: single mom, Like yeah, that feeling of being able to

574
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: be in that community but also not have to, you know,

575
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: like it's an extra lift. It is like to be

576
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: in community, there is an extra kind of layer when

577
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: you're doing it alone.

578
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: Completely.

579
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: I did something small for so we have a separate

580
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: section for sort of single mothers in our group, and

581
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: because this probably won't be out by then, I put

582
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: I did a post and I said in this in

583
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: the form that we have for single moms, if you

584
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: if you think that you may not get a card

585
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: or any acknowledgment on Mother's Day, I want you to

586
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: send me your address. And like one by one, I

587
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: wrote each my single mom a card and I said,

588
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: you deserve to be celebrated every day.

589
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: Wow, you are.

590
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: Loved and you are enough, and you are doing an

591
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 2: incredible job. And it's like, one by one I wrote

592
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: out and I set them on Mai. Also by they

593
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: won't know this, but by the week of Mothers Day,

594
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: all of the single moms in our group that gave

595
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: me their address, we'll get a card for me because

596
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: that matters to me. This is hard and I'm not

597
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: a single mom, so I can't even imagine.

598
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 3: And so.

599
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just wanted to do that because I

600
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: don't know if you think you're gonna wake up and

601
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: not get anything like, oh, here's what I need you to.

602
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 3: Know this every day, every day you deserve a day.

603
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: So I did that, Oh, full chills, Like, yeah, that's

604
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: so powerful, my leak. Yeah, that's a piece that you know.

605
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: I think also like if you're not in a relationship

606
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: that feels fully supportive to your parenting, it's the case, yes,

607
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, when you're a single parent, you don't really

608
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: get a lot of feedback on your parenting, right, so

609
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: there is never even an acknowledgment of any choice you're making,

610
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: or of anything that's going well or anything.

611
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: You know.

612
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, you're not even getting pictures of yourself

613
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: and your child except the superposed ones that you're asking

614
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: someone to take for you. But you don't even get

615
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: to see, you know, a full understanding of like how

616
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: how how is my parenting? How does it look? How

617
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: do we look together? Yeah, experience, how do we know?

618
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 5: Yeah?

619
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 3: How do you look? Yeah?

620
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: It's really there's a lot to those dynamics. And I

621
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: say this to say, you know, for everyone listening and

622
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: some of what my leak and I are kind of

623
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: expanding on here for the things that resonate, take them

624
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: for the areas that don't leave them. But look at

625
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: your own experience with a little more nuance, you know,

626
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: because sometimes even when we're trying to understand what our

627
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: needs are so that we can meet them, we have

628
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: to go into so many crevices of the experience to

629
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: see all the ways that it's showing up so that

630
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: we can feel like our lives are enough, you know.

631
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: That's the desire, Like our circumstance isn't always going to change,

632
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: right There is not always this easily wrapped in a

633
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: bow resolution for what it is. But it's the acknowledgment

634
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: of this is my present moment, and then diving into

635
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: those crevices allows you to say, yes, this is true,

636
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: and how do I feel good about whatever my experience is?

637
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: How can I get more present with whatever my experience

638
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: is so that it can be enough for right now?

639
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I look at all those different corners.

640
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: Something I was doing recently is I've just been thinking

641
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 2: about in the back of my mind mothering through the night,

642
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: because night time is hard.

643
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: It is so hard.

644
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: When you know someone's screaming and crying or just waking

645
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: up for whatever reason, wetting the bed, all the things

646
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: that happen when you have to like mother through the night.

647
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: And I've been just trying to be more present as

648
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: often as I can in that of like, yes, I'm exhausted,

649
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: Yes I'm tired. How can I show up and like

650
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: mother through the night?

651
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: You know? And so even just that thought helps me.

652
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, I'm softer when I come in my energy,

653
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: and I've noticed that we can, you know, move along

654
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: whatever is happening through the night when I just can

655
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: change my mind of like, all right, not like I'm tired,

656
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: you know, I'm mothering through the night. Now it's a

657
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: different it's a different cat, it's a different it's a different.

658
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: Deeply, well, you know, we've been just waxing so beautifully

659
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: poetic about the feelings of the softness, of the freedom

660
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: right doing the work, done the work, when you're just letting.

661
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 3: Yourself live the work.

662
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: Talk to me about how, over the last you know,

663
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: five years, all of this nourishment that's come in from

664
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: being a mother, how has this softness changed you as

665
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: a friend and as a business woman?

666
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I can tell you that I as

667
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: a business woman, I'll start with that one, because I

668
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: feel like I have so much more empathy. I have

669
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: so much more empathy for people that I did not

670
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: have before. I don't even know that I saw people

671
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 2: that I worked with as actual people. Wow, I don't

672
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: know that I did. And now I can see the

673
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: people that I work with as you know, I can

674
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: see all of them or more of them, you know,

675
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: And so that has just been so helpful for me.

676
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: The parts of the softness, which you know, some of

677
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: the parts of the softness have been even just this

678
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: is going to be just my desire for more, you know.

679
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes we think like just in as I sort of

680
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 2: repairent myself around this with my son, of like just

681
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: wanting more of like I can ask for more in

682
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: a situation, it's not just about what I you know,

683
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 2: taking what I get.

684
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 3: It's like what do I want?

685
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: And so that has been sort of crazy for me

686
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: because I think, you know, I've always been like about

687
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: my hustle and about my grind and going after it,

688
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: but I wasn't really I don't know if I if

689
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: I valued myself, you know, in the way that I

690
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: feel like I do now. So from a business standpoint,

691
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: I definitely feel that and more boundaried. You know, I

692
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: think that I really want to like save everyone that's

693
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: like my thing, and it's like I can't, and I

694
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: just I am so much more clear, you know. I

695
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: used to be afraid of that. You know, so many

696
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, yeah, I can have hard conversations,

697
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: but I couldn't. I really couldn't, you know. And so

698
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: I have been able to stay up front like, hey,

699
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: this is what's going to work for me, and this

700
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: is what isn't and if you aren't able to do this,

701
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with you. I'm just letting you know

702
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: what I'm able to do, and so not sort of

703
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: pinning people or sort of like labeling people based on

704
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: like my needs, like these are just my needs and

705
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: if you aren't able to be my needs, I totally understand.

706
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: Just not a good bit.

707
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: So that has been helpful as a friend. In the

708
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 2: same way, I am able to see more parts of people.

709
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: I am able to recognize the love and my friendships

710
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: that I don't think I was able to see before,

711
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: you know, like I don't and you and I have

712
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: talked about this intimacy and friendship and really just being

713
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: able to tell I think I have so badly wanted

714
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: to tell people how special I think they are, wow,

715
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: how much they mean to me, and realizing prior to

716
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: having my children that I didn't have the language. I

717
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: really just didn't even know what to say. And you

718
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: and I have jokes. It's like I'm just like blurting

719
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: out like I need you to know you matter, but

720
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: I don't have the words, and finding the words you know.

721
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: With my children and even sometimes they'll give me the

722
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 2: words I will look for the words of just like

723
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: I need them to know how much I love them,

724
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: how much I love being their friend in the way

725
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: that I love being their mom, like I love being

726
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: your friend, I love spending time with you. And so

727
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: I've had such a like a like a the other day,

728
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: I was like, I post it on Instagram, like I

729
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: don't know what is happening to me, but my heart

730
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: is like blowing open and I can't even stop it.

731
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: And it's like everywhere I go I say something, you

732
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 2: have a lovely day, not a good day.

733
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: I need you to have a lovely day.

734
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 4: You know.

735
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: It's like I feel like free to be, you know,

736
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: to pour syrup on everything as often as I want to,

737
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: and it's like I don't need it back because I

738
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: got it's all in me, you know.

739
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 3: So it's like you take it.

740
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: I have an overflow, you take it like you don't

741
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: have to give it back, you know. But I'm like,

742
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: you know, just walking around and just the things that

743
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: I feel like I can now I'll say freely to people,

744
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, without fear or without expectation, you know, of

745
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: like oh are they going to think? It's like think whatever,

746
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: You're lovely, you look wonderful.

747
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 3: Everything's great. You know. It's like you're shining. Look at you.

748
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: You know.

749
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: So I feel free to be that with my friends

750
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: in a way that I don't think I ever. I

751
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 2: don't think I ever was, you know. I was always

752
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: so afraid to just tell people how like impressed I

753
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: am with some maybe work that they said, or a sentence.

754
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: It seems silly. But in the way that I can

755
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 2: like sort of like lose it over my kid doing

756
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: something so small and simple, I feel like that with

757
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,959
Speaker 2: my friends, Like that sentence you just wrote, that was it,

758
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: And I'm like I get to do that and you

759
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: get to feel whatever. But I said it and I

760
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: mean it. So it's been ugh. I think the the

761
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: freedom to be able to share what I feel and yeah,

762
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: to like let my heart be wide, and to not

763
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: be afraid of what could happen if I if I.

764
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you share.

765
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: Joy. Yes, Yes, I.

766
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: Remember I had a moment with you. I don't think

767
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: I've shared this with you before, but we were.

768
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm already

769
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: sitting here, like I'm like, so you're just gonna, You're

770
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: just gonna.

771
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh I love you so much.

772
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: I remember you and I we were traveling together and

773
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: we were in Mexico and we had just like a

774
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: really beautiful day together. And we had snuck away with

775
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: our kids before and had like a mom's vacation, but

776
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: this was like Jesse and me, and it was like

777
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: a self care vacation. Yes, And we snuck away and

778
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: I remember we like we spent the whole day having

779
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: like delicious, nourishing food, getting in and out of the ocean,

780
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: like being in silence together or just like walking on

781
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: the sand, sitting next to each other like and I

782
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: remember we had got back to where we were sleeping

783
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: and I put on selection, which is like my favorite

784
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: thing in the history of life. As everyone on the

785
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: show notes, you put me on, Kee put me on,

786
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: and I remember I put up the music and me

787
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: and you just started dancing and we were just having

788
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: so much fun. And I remember I looked over at

789
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: you and you smiled at me, and I saw like

790
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: a smile I had never seen on your face before.

791
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: Like You're always beautiful and I always see you, know,

792
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: you're always exquisite, and I always see your smile, but

793
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: there was a new way that you smiled in that

794
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: moment that like I really felt and saw the freedom

795
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: and the joy and the delight and like all of

796
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: the beauty inside of you. Like I remember seeing your

797
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: face and I was like, I just saw like five

798
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: year old my week smile at me, and she's.

799
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: So beautiful, and it was just like such a It.

800
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: Just felt so special, and you know, as someone that

801
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: loves you and as your friend, it just felt so

802
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: good to like for us to be in like that

803
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: new depth of intimacy with each other.

804
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: Yes, uh, that that trip you know goes down and

805
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: I think I don't even know when I text you

806
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: recently to share like I remember every single moment, but

807
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: as I was like riding off in the car to

808
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: the back to the airport. I was like, wow, you know,

809
00:47:54,080 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: I felt so loved by you. And I think probably

810
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: in the smile that you saw was like I felt

811
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: like and I was able to receive it.

812
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: So it was just like.

813
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: From in and out of the pool and I didn't

814
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: question it like I normally find myself, Oh, I wonder

815
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: if they're thinking this or if I'm too this, and

816
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: it was like I didn't. I just was like I'm

817
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 2: receiving it. And it's like every moment it was such

818
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: a you know, and I was like I was so

819
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: sad to be leaving, you know, of like ah, I'm

820
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: going to miss her, I'm going to miss this, and

821
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: giving myself like making room for that, like you can

822
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: not like ah, like you can miss people. Yeah, you

823
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: can be sad, Like you can be sad at the

824
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: time is ending, you know. And I was like, I'm

825
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: sad at this time is ending. And so it was

826
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: a time. It was time, and I can tell you

827
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: that I have not been the same. It's not been

828
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: the same since that selection for Startars. So like okay, okay,

829
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: you're the king.

830
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: Do you played the music?

831
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: And I was like I was, I have forgotten about

832
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: how like romantic music and I'm Beyonce and environment like

833
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 2: how everything working together, I have forgotten And so ever

834
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: since then, it's like I have my moments where I'm like.

835
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: I really try to recreate that time. We are inviting that.

836
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: Love in because it was just so special and so

837
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: I thank you. I had looked forward to that because

838
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: that's how we are. We make plans to see each other,

839
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: to spend time like one year from now. Okay, I

840
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: don't literally like out of state friendship.

841
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 3: Next year.

842
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: It is like I feel like and I love this

843
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: with us, and I hope you know everyone listening, and

844
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: especially those that have found these friendships or those that

845
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: are are looking to create them, looking to co create them,

846
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: looking to open to them. The reason I think it

847
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: is so powerful for you and I to share this

848
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: more intimate layer is that's an area people need guidance

849
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: in too, Like everything that you spoke to is so

850
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: real and felt for so many people. Because we have

851
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: to build tolerance for joy. Yes, we have to build

852
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: sometimes the tolerance for that depth of friendship where we

853
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: can just like giggle, like giggle for real, like be

854
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: delighted like yes, you know, and I love that, like

855
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: in our friendship and how we're each expressing we are

856
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: with ourselves, like there is a commitment to romance. Yeah, right,

857
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: Like yes, I want you to feel pleasure when we're

858
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: having an experience together. I want to feel pleasure, you know. Yeah,

859
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: and like those like that ability to be soft and

860
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: receive and give and be in that dynamic exchange and

861
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: not have your thoughts moving through. But will I be

862
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: betrayed or is this real? Can I trust it? Can?

863
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: I like the freedom in that, you know, and like

864
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: these you know we are we live in different states

865
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: at this time. It's on my vision board down, but

866
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's like we do. It's like we have

867
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: a trip on the books now that we do planning.

868
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: And just on my on my flight on my flight here,

869
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: I started like building out the itinerary and so it's

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Speaker 2: like restaurants everything, you know, it's like and wanting to

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Speaker 2: do that, like oh my god, like I said, I

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Speaker 2: the itinerary. You know. It's just it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 2: it's a year from the last time I saw you,

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Speaker 2: and the got to spend time like it's going to

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Speaker 3: It's it's going to be all ya o, yes we do.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, my week, Oh my god. I could talk

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Speaker 1: to you for lifetime as as we close this episode.

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Speaker 1: I would love you know, something I love to extend

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Speaker 1: at the end of every episode is a little bit

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Speaker 1: of soul work. So something that those who are resonating

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Speaker 1: can savor, can deepen into over this next week until

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Speaker 1: our next episode. Is there a thought, an inquiry, a journal, prompt,

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Speaker 1: an exercise of some sort that you would like to

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Speaker 1: share with anyone listening about opening to that dynamic exchange

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Speaker 1: of giving and receiving or opening to joy.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to try. So something that has sort of

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Speaker 2: been swirling for me has been this thought of wanting

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Speaker 2: to show up perfectly, or wanting to show up in

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Speaker 2: a way that would attract fans or more people. But

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Speaker 2: it is essentially not all of me. And so something

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Speaker 2: that a sentence that I've been just saying is like,

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Speaker 2: dare to leave an aftertaste, dare to not be palatable sometimes,

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Speaker 2: you know, and let people have you.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: And so I guess that is what I'd like for

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Speaker 2: people to think about, you know, is that you might

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Speaker 2: leave an aftertaste and that's okay.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, thank you sit with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: right to that tonight. Yes, I love you so much.

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Speaker 1: I love you more. Thank you so much for the invitation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for coming on the show. Thank

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