WEBVTT - Trade Rumor Drought

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, come home, no come home, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Come home, come home, come.

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<v Speaker 1>Home. On this episode of The Heat Check, I tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what.

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<v Speaker 2>We get into some trade deadline talk, what is happening

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<v Speaker 2>in Toronto, one of the most interesting teams in the

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<v Speaker 2>league that have some moves to be made. We get

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<v Speaker 2>into exactly what I said we'd go wrong about the

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago Bulls and why it actually happened, and is Donald.

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<v Speaker 1>Mitchel about to leave Utah? It seems like it might

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<v Speaker 1>be happening. All right, brob, drop that motherfucking beat.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm perfectly gone at it, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get on this side exist, don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Make by mother bu my same went next like.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I'm perfect. We are crawling onto the trade deadline,

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<v Speaker 1>just crawling. No moves have been made.

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<v Speaker 2>Two weeks is left, nothing notable has happened. Fuck you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see some motion.

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<v Speaker 1>As Drake would say, I guess that's just emotion. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I was listening to on the way.

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<v Speaker 2>But the part the team, for me, that's the hardest

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<v Speaker 2>to dissect, the hardest to predict, the hardest to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out who they are, what their identity is now, what

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<v Speaker 2>their identity will be is the Toronto Raptors. They are long,

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<v Speaker 2>they are switchable, they are young. They can compete with

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<v Speaker 2>almost anybody on any given night. They could also lose

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<v Speaker 2>to almost anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>On any given night.

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<v Speaker 2>Team full of stretch threes and stretch forwards. Everyone on

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<v Speaker 2>this roster basically basically a six seven.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't talked about you about.

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<v Speaker 2>The Raptors lately because they've been bad, but they have

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<v Speaker 2>resurrected their season after they had COVID on COVID on

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<v Speaker 2>Covid COVID. Team is nine and six in their last fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>They are in the ninth spot currently in the East.

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<v Speaker 2>But but but but just four games out of six seeds,

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<v Speaker 2>just four games out of not being a play in tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you never know? You never know.

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<v Speaker 2>When the Atlanta Hawks were a five seed and they

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<v Speaker 2>end up in the Eastern Conference Final, you never know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the optimistic side of me.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that leads me to a fun little hypothetical. So, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a five hundred team, right, You're playing better now

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<v Speaker 2>than at any point in the season. You're in a

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<v Speaker 2>year where there is no real clear cut favorite, like

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<v Speaker 2>the Bucks are there and the Nets of course got

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<v Speaker 2>something to say.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, come on, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the Bucks are healthy, but they just got

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<v Speaker 2>blown out by the Calves. Right, the Nets are healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>but they just lost to the Lakers. Lakers aren't really healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're coming up on the trade deadline. So you

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<v Speaker 2>got two options. You make every effort that you can

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<v Speaker 2>to improve the team now, even if it means that

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<v Speaker 2>you move away from the quote unquote plan that you

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<v Speaker 2>might have for the future. Or do you just continue

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<v Speaker 2>to say we're young, we're dumb, and we're having fun,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that you're in injury away from falling back into

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<v Speaker 2>the lottery just like you did last year because you

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<v Speaker 2>play your starters more than any other team in the

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<v Speaker 2>entire league.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fact.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the mental pretzel for my man Nick Nurse

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<v Speaker 2>and my man Messi u Jeri.

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<v Speaker 1>So not a big deal, kind of a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I was texting back and forth with Nick Nurse the

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<v Speaker 2>other day and I asked him about his thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>the team, and he says, this is exactly what he says.

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<v Speaker 1>This is tremendous. Just think about this quote. Let it

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<v Speaker 1>soak in. We're pretty good. We have no depth, but

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<v Speaker 1>I like my five to six guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he know the starting five is five players. I

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<v Speaker 2>like my starting five plus one. I like my starting

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<v Speaker 2>five plus one.

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<v Speaker 1>So I dug into that.

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<v Speaker 2>How much does Nick Nurse love his five to six guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you it is. It is love, love, it is,

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<v Speaker 2>it is, Oh my god, holy shit love. Fred van Fleet,

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<v Speaker 2>my guy leaves the NBA. In minutes played per game

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight point two. Scottie Barnes, a rookie, is playing

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five point five minutes per game, the most of

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<v Speaker 2>any rookie in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 1>No surprise Rookie.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the Year, Gary Trent Junior plays thirty three point

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<v Speaker 2>eight minutes per game. Pascal Yakam playing thirty six point

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<v Speaker 2>nine minutes per game. Og A Nanobi plays thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>point nine minutes per game. That is ridiculous, folks, That

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<v Speaker 2>is fucking ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>That reads like.

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<v Speaker 2>A box score from nineteen thirty six when it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Cleveland Rosenblooms, a real NBA team, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>who had seven roster players, and if someone fouled out

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<v Speaker 2>or got injured, they literally had to pull someone from

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<v Speaker 2>the stands to be like, hey, you you look at

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<v Speaker 2>let it come play basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>It would happen in Toronto if they actually had fans.

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<v Speaker 2>They probably just need to grab the actual like Toronto

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<v Speaker 2>mascot because he's the only available bench guy that they have.

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<v Speaker 1>They live git play their starters more than anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>All those guys top twenty in the league in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of minutes played, which makes comments like these from Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Nurse that he didn't say to me, but he said

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<v Speaker 2>to the media hilarious, laughable, untrue. He's talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>battle between Sam Decker and Esok Bonga, two guys that

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<v Speaker 2>were at the end of the roster, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to make a decision who's gonna play, who's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get cut, and who's gonna play.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what and this is what Nick Nurse

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<v Speaker 1>had to say. Uh, Esak kind of fills the role

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<v Speaker 1>that we want.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got size, he's a versatil defender, he's on the

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<v Speaker 2>offensive glass. He's kind of a real role playing guy.

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<v Speaker 2>We can think we can throw in there.

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<v Speaker 1>At any time.

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<v Speaker 2>He's good enough to get into games anytime right now.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest with you, but.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't play everybody. Excuse me, you don't play anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, you're just playing five to six dudes? Five

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<v Speaker 2>really six? Okay, so your five starters are all top

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<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes played and you can't find Esoc Bonga any

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<v Speaker 2>playing time.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me. That's hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>And now Nick Nurse's mind has turned to the trade

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<v Speaker 2>deadline and how he can make this team more competitive,

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<v Speaker 2>because he even said it, it's now undisputable they have

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<v Speaker 2>zero depth.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only do you know that based on who he's playing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that because he said it's a goddamn self.

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<v Speaker 1>This is when he said, there's some stark downs.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it's been a battle to pick everybody up or

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<v Speaker 2>pick yourself up.

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<v Speaker 1>But he is optimistic that the Raptors right now can contend.

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<v Speaker 2>I told him that's the sort of beautiful optimism that

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<v Speaker 2>you just can't get the delusions of optimism when you're

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<v Speaker 2>not winning any team, not just them because they're actually

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<v Speaker 2>like decent, but a team like the Lakers. To believe

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<v Speaker 2>you can win at any moment, any game, despite being

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<v Speaker 2>so very clearly outmatched, out depths, out athleticism, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just I die. I would die for that level

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<v Speaker 2>of optimism about any fucking thing, anything, even about getting

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<v Speaker 2>my toast like perfectly toasted.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have optimism that I could complete anything in

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<v Speaker 1>that manner.

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<v Speaker 2>So Michael Grange reports that Nurse has had moiple conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with GM Bobby Webster about trying to evaluate with the Raptor's.

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<v Speaker 1>Need coming up to the trade deadline, but it's been hard.

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<v Speaker 2>To evaluate given the way that the season has gone.

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<v Speaker 2>He says that there's about a six to seven man

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<v Speaker 2>corps that they want to focus on going forward. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>those are the six to seven guys that are getting.

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<v Speaker 1>All the minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually it's really five to six. But you can't say

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<v Speaker 2>you only like your starting five. You can't go out

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<v Speaker 2>to the world and say that you said I like

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<v Speaker 2>seven because anything less than seven sounds like you're a psycho.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a psycho move.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you do right now?

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<v Speaker 2>If you're the Raptors, you got a good corps, all

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<v Speaker 2>of them the same guy, Like all six to seven

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<v Speaker 2>athletic can switch, can handle the rock. Well, it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a while since they've seen some winning hoops right in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 2>They literally played in Tampa the entire all last year.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't even see Canada when they were in the

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<v Speaker 2>basketball season last year, So you'd think that the tendency

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<v Speaker 2>might be push your chips in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 2>table and go quote unquote all in.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, that is terrible, that's a terrible idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Even even still, they did decide to sort of tank

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<v Speaker 2>to get Scottie Barnes last year, right, And it's a

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they have no depth like it's a fact.

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<v Speaker 2>So Nick Nurse also told me that there is no

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<v Speaker 2>point in his career he's ever believed he's had a

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<v Speaker 2>lost season.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't believe it exists.

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<v Speaker 2>He believes as the head coach, there's no moment in

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<v Speaker 2>time that exists where you say, pack it up.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just gonna build on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just gonna have this be an emotional victory. All

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<v Speaker 2>these things or creative ways to get new guys involved

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<v Speaker 2>and develop develop young talent. No, no, you play to win,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what he said. You play to win, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what. He's gonna run the legs out of these starters.

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<v Speaker 2>Chase wins, which means from a betting perspective, they're never

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<v Speaker 2>out of it. Whatever the line is, just take it

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<v Speaker 2>like I know, you can get burned at a plus

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<v Speaker 2>four and a half to take the Raptors against some

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<v Speaker 2>good team and then all of a sudden, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>make it.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, this is the team.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to put Fred van Fleet out there when

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<v Speaker 2>they're down thirty, Like, think about that. If you lead

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<v Speaker 2>the NBA in minutes played, that's including games you're getting

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<v Speaker 2>blown out. He's like, fuck it, Fred, it's just you,

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<v Speaker 2>my guy. Go ahead and pag your stats. That's fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the problem. Everyone wants the Raptors to make

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<v Speaker 2>a big trade. You want it, I want it. Toronto

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<v Speaker 2>fans want it. Massai wants it. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna happen. I'm not sure because there's two words.

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<v Speaker 2>Goren Draggitch. Goren Dragich is making nineteen point one million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year. He's my age, which means he's over

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<v Speaker 2>the hill in basketball terms. And everybody's talking about John Wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is John Wall playing any basketball? John Wall's making

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money. The Rockets aren't using him. Nobody's

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<v Speaker 2>asking that about Gordon Dragitch. Nobody's like, why is Goran

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<v Speaker 2>Dragish nowhere around this team? Why is Goreon dragis out

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<v Speaker 2>indefinitely for personal reasons. Why haven't they come to some

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<v Speaker 2>resolution about him? Just like wall goran Dragon's sitting on

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<v Speaker 2>his hands, not playing. No one's asking a goddamn thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The Raptors don't need an old wash guy. But they

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<v Speaker 2>also traded for that wash guy in order to basically

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<v Speaker 2>game and loophole the cap system in order to trade

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<v Speaker 2>Gorn Dragicic and then receive a twenty million dollar trade

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<v Speaker 2>exception that would allow them to basically get a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that they can't get otherwise with that Kyle Lowry trade.

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<v Speaker 2>So in order to trade Goren, we're probably gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to attach draft picks to get him off the books,

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<v Speaker 2>which means you trying to build for the future, you're

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<v Speaker 2>literally giving up assets that you need. Draft capital is

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<v Speaker 2>very important for a young developing team, but then you

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<v Speaker 2>also want to sign free agents, and so the whole

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<v Speaker 2>Goren Dragach trade capital thing is sort of inextristricably linked.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a hard word to say fucked up two days

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<v Speaker 2>in a row on that, But if they let Goren

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<v Speaker 2>Dragag's contract expire, they lose twenty million dollars in that

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<v Speaker 2>trade exception, in that Lowry sign and trade, and then

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<v Speaker 2>that Lowry sign and trade doesn't make no damn sense.

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<v Speaker 2>They should have traded him earlier if they can't get

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<v Speaker 2>something out of them. It's a very complex scenario, very complex.

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<v Speaker 2>Been wrapping my mind around it all day. And we

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<v Speaker 2>know that Massi wants to build around a young court

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<v Speaker 2>and part of that strategy is stockpiling those picks. But

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<v Speaker 2>at five hundred right now, the Raptors probably have a

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<v Speaker 2>valuable mid first round or probably fifteen sixteen in this

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<v Speaker 2>first round, basically just below the lottery. And the Sixers

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<v Speaker 2>offered multiple draft picks for Kyle Lowry last year. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you turn down multiple suitors in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the trade deadline last year, you turn that down, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you do a sign and trade for Precious to

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<v Speaker 2>Chilia in a first round pick and gore and draggag,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you got to give up a first round

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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of fucking gore and drags.

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<v Speaker 1>Then what do you have? You have Precious a Chilia

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<v Speaker 1>who's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice piece, but god damn, you could have had Tyree

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<v Speaker 2>maxin two firsts. I understand the concept of fuck Philly,

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<v Speaker 2>but not at your own expense, you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't just don't do that trade because you're cutting off

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<v Speaker 2>your nose to spite your face.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>No, So for me, it's gonna be a very interesting

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<v Speaker 2>thing watching them going forward, because it'll tell you everything

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<v Speaker 2>you need to know.

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<v Speaker 1>If they don't make a.

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<v Speaker 2>Move and they let Gore and Dragicic's contract just wither away,

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<v Speaker 2>that means they have no interest in doing anything right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They have no interest in going out and getting free

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<v Speaker 2>agents because they got guys to sign soon, and that's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>They will be signed, and the only.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys you're gonna be able to get is in the draft,

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<v Speaker 2>not in free agency, which means young young, young youth movement,

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<v Speaker 2>which probably means more five to.

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<v Speaker 1>Six man rotation.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah well, since Toronto can only get better via trade,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like the Blazers, it might just mean go

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<v Speaker 2>and get Norm Powell again. I guess, maybe trade Chris Bouchet.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's a situation that is developing.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep your eye on it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I had to put my gavel down, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>say Toronto will be a player team and and at

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<v Speaker 2>that point, why not just do the watery again.

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<v Speaker 1>Seemed to work out last time round. But keep your

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<v Speaker 1>eye on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep your eye some she fragrance when you lift discover

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<v Speaker 3>it ain't no complaining. I'm ready to be a ward

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<v Speaker 3>a disc one and me I'm telling me called wards off,

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<v Speaker 3>can afford the risk drop to a range.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna be nice, but I'm gonna speak the

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<v Speaker 2>truth as usual. Chicago, Chicago, So me in.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sucked. You know, I said this team very

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<v Speaker 1>short bench. I said it. I was like, Okay, what

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<v Speaker 1>are they really gonna do?

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<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, one seed fucking okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well gotta eat crow. At that point, tomart Rozan's playing

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<v Speaker 2>an MVP level. You know, Lonzo's a throwback floor general. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Levine bawling out so that he could get a huge

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<v Speaker 2>deal from the New York next next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Don't get mad,

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<v Speaker 1>don't get mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Booch have been having an interesting year, has some clutch moments.

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<v Speaker 2>Not his best year, not particularly any better than his

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<v Speaker 2>worst year. But okay, I mean my man, Io, Io Desunma,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a nice little piece.

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<v Speaker 1>I already got his jersey, retired to Illinois. Tomart Rosen's

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<v Speaker 1>going to Illinois with Io. They're having a good time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And then just like the ss, Chicago Bulls sinking faster

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<v Speaker 2>than Bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like that, Just like that.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, read up on Obj getting his contract

0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:17.440
<v Speaker 2>in bitcoin, fascinating story. Might wanna just scale your enthusiasm

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<v Speaker 2>for bitcoin for a second. And you would think that

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<v Speaker 2>because I issued an apology already to Bulls fans, that

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<v Speaker 2>I would hold back on saying I fucking told you so.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, no, that's not me. I am that petty.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone said on TikTok today Trista doesn't fully know the

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<v Speaker 2>alphabet because she knows every other letter but lle. The

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<v Speaker 2>only letter that she's not acquainted with is the word

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<v Speaker 2>is the letter L. Yeah, I don't take any l's

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't take l's. I'm right, you guys are wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I told you so. What did I say earlier on

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<v Speaker 1>the season? What did I say? I said, quote, I

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<v Speaker 1>found my own quote. I'm quoting myself.

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<v Speaker 2>This starting five has the ability to play with anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I like how I'm reading the quote like it's not me.

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<v Speaker 2>But the bench is so thin, and if the starters

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<v Speaker 2>keep playing as much as they have been someone might

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<v Speaker 2>break down and if they break down.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be in troubble. Folks. If that's not about

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<v Speaker 1>as accurate as it gets, I don't know what is.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what multiple players now broke broke, broke, broke, broke.

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<v Speaker 2>Down, bulls sliding down the standings like a fucking water park.

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<v Speaker 2>Sh They were number one with a bullet and now

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<v Speaker 2>people are wondering, real.

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<v Speaker 1>Media people, not me. I didn't say it.

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<v Speaker 2>There are people like Brian Winhorst being like, can this

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<v Speaker 2>team even host a play in game? What? What?

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<v Speaker 1>Where did it all begin? Where did the deterioration of

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<v Speaker 1>the foundation start to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>My man Alex Crusoe. Of course, I'm starting to get

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<v Speaker 2>a little worried about Crusoe. They might be a not

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<v Speaker 2>injury prone, but maybe say bitten from injuries. He's missed

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen games last year with the Lakers, this year, banged

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<v Speaker 2>up most of the year, and now he's out four

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<v Speaker 2>to six weeks with rist surgery after he came down

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<v Speaker 2>from that Grayson Allen injury.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think, wow, DeRozan is the brains of this team.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Cruso is the heart and soul and without

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<v Speaker 2>Caruso and his infectious energy and his intensive intensity, intensive

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<v Speaker 2>defensive intensity.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I meant to say.

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<v Speaker 2>This team is just lacking when he's not on the court.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the same thing can be said about Lonzo Ball.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a defensive monster.

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<v Speaker 1>He and Caruso make that thing go. They're like the gel.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like the connective tissue of the defensive identity of

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<v Speaker 2>this team.

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<v Speaker 1>And Lonzo Ball is an assist machine.

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<v Speaker 2>So without those two guys, rot row and now you

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<v Speaker 2>got Dereck Jones Junior. Nice little role player on a

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<v Speaker 2>team that has no depth. So he doesn't matter unless

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<v Speaker 2>you are already are struggling with depth, and now it

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<v Speaker 2>really matters.

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<v Speaker 1>He's having surgery on his wrist. He might miss the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>My man Zach Levine continues to miss games with knee

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<v Speaker 2>sortis on the same leg that he had acl surgery on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yikes.

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<v Speaker 2>And Patrick Williams he's probably out the remainder of the

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<v Speaker 2>season two And we all knew in the beginning of

0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.520
<v Speaker 2>the season Patrick Williams had an ankle injury. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>got a torn ligament in his wrist and he's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>He was supposed to be there this corps was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to have something. They have less depth than I thought

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<v Speaker 2>that they had in the beginning of the year because

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't even had their main guys, And like clockwork,

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<v Speaker 2>they go three and seven in their last ten fall

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<v Speaker 2>into second.

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<v Speaker 1>Which you're like, oh, Tristy, you're hating on them. You're

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<v Speaker 1>a hater. You're a hater. They're in second, You're a hater. No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no no.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just a game up on the calves and one

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<v Speaker 2>and a half games up on the bucks in the nets.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't think those guys when they figured out, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna be able to surpass you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a close race in the east, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, Bulls are a two game losing streak

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<v Speaker 2>away from being in fifth place, and probably another two

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<v Speaker 2>to three games away from seventh place. Excuse me, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 2>Just give me my flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>Just tell me, Trista, you're not right all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But you were fucking super right on this. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>not DeRozan's fault, of course. It's not like all the

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<v Speaker 2>things I said about him very wrong. I continue to

0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.760
<v Speaker 2>stay wrong on demart Rosen. In the last two losses,

0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.399
<v Speaker 2>he scored thirty five and forty one and a single

0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:38.720
<v Speaker 2>handedly keeping this Bulls team in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>But without depth, it's just too much to overcome. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a bridge too far. It's a bridge too far, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is exactly what I fear might happen. It is

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<v Speaker 1>why I can't take Toronto.

0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, you can't go out there, roll the ball out

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<v Speaker 2>and be like five to six guys, go out there,

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<v Speaker 2>play hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you twour in acl No, No, keep playing, keep playing.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like your starters are playing too many minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a matter of time. These men aren't robots, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>why know we think that they're robots. And because they're

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<v Speaker 2>elite athletes, they can do whatever however, as much as

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<v Speaker 2>they want, as much frequency and an intensity and a duration.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, these are human beings with bodies that will

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<v Speaker 2>break down with impact and force and momentum. Another team

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<v Speaker 2>that's been banged up this year is Cleveland, who lost

0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.719
<v Speaker 2>two starters, Sexton and Rubio. The difference, the big difference

0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.399
<v Speaker 2>between the Calves. I can't believe I'm even saying this.

0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.399
<v Speaker 2>The big difference between the Calves and the Bulls is

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<v Speaker 2>that the Calves have a shitload of depth.

0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:50.160
<v Speaker 1>They got guys go down no matter.

0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:52.679
<v Speaker 2>They just keep on keeping on and they make moves.

0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:57.680
<v Speaker 2>They immediately replace Rubio with Rejeon Rondo. When the Bulls

0:21:57.760 --> 0:21:58.960
<v Speaker 2>lost somebody, what happened?

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Nothing? Nothing, nothing's happened, nothing has been done. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was immediate.

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.240
<v Speaker 2>It was Ricky Rubio season ending injury. The next tweet

0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 2>that you saw was Cleveland pursues Rajon Rondo, like within

0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.639
<v Speaker 2>three seconds, They're like, we gotta do something. What are

0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:18.200
<v Speaker 2>you guys doing? What are you fucking guys doing nothing?

0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>You're just sitting on your laurels and all your main

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<v Speaker 2>starters who are all out in indefinite period of time

0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:27.640
<v Speaker 2>somewhere between six to eight weeks. But one guy, Lonzo Ball,

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't even had surgery yet, so the clock on his

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<v Speaker 2>eight weeks hasn't even been done yet.

0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 1>Tick talk tick. They don't even know what they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do in his surgery. So can the Bulls save their season?

0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Gonna need to make a move.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of chatter about Patrick Williams, He's gotta go,

0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:45.920
<v Speaker 2>He's gotta go in order for you guys to even

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out.

0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:49.920
<v Speaker 1>You gotta get some. You need some multiple pieces. You

0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:51.920
<v Speaker 1>don't need a star like Jerry Grant and Jeremy Grant.

0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:53.040
<v Speaker 1>You need role players.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, they're gonna be getting a Lonzo Ball and

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<v Speaker 2>Crusoe back by the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>But even LaMelo Ball can attest. When he came back

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<v Speaker 1>from his risk injury, he was like, I was not

0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.520
<v Speaker 1>the same. I was not the same.

0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Not until the very next year did I feel anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>near myself. So the worst case scenario, as I predicted,

0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 2>because it's science, has happened in Chicago. It's just math,

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 2>it's just math, and I think it's actually a physics.

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:21.640
<v Speaker 2>It's more physics than math.

0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:23.520
<v Speaker 1>But physics has math. It's all the same.

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<v Speaker 2>And now they have to work super super hard from

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:30.159
<v Speaker 2>sliding below that coveted four seed in the east. And

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.680
<v Speaker 2>just like math, anything below six is a plan, which

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:34.959
<v Speaker 2>means TK is right.

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<v Speaker 1>You could send me my claps, thank you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. I will not be taking questions at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>How much money you got alive, how many products you

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot? How many people have doubted alive left

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:48.399
<v Speaker 1>you out and a lot. How many prey did you

0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.800
<v Speaker 1>how many players have left your franchise. A lot a

0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of good ones. A lot of good ones have

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<v Speaker 1>left Utah and maybe a new one is coming soon.

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<v Speaker 1>What is happening in Utah?

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.040
<v Speaker 2>We just did our deep dive on the Jazz. Like

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I said, they are spiraling. It's a struggle bus No

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:13.439
<v Speaker 2>Rudy Gobert. Their defense is suss And then this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>My man Rick Buker over at Fox wrote this, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>has happened this season to dispil the impression that the

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<v Speaker 2>Jazz are a one trick pony and a step behind the.

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<v Speaker 1>Elite teams in the Western Conference.

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<v Speaker 2>Nullify their three point scoring advantage, and they are eminently beatable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yikes.

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<v Speaker 2>It is no coincidence that January is the first month

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<v Speaker 2>this season in which Jazz opponents are averaging more threes

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<v Speaker 2>made and Utah is four and nine this calendar year.

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<v Speaker 2>The worst part the Jazz I said they need to

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<v Speaker 2>be one seed, didn't I I said they need They

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<v Speaker 2>need home field advantage, home court advantage all the way out.

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<v Speaker 1>They need it. They are now in fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>They are zero and four against the teams in front

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<v Speaker 2>of them, Griz Sons, Warriors.

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<v Speaker 1>Yikes. Yikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Stress levels in Utah have gotta be through the roof.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no outlets like coffee or sex or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe sex. Look up soaking. But that stress is at

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<v Speaker 1>an all.

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<v Speaker 2>Time high right now, has to be when they read

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<v Speaker 2>this bombshell that Bucker dropped. The incessant buzz around the

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<v Speaker 2>league is that there are those in Donovan Mitchell's circle

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<v Speaker 2>who believe he is too big of a star for

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<v Speaker 2>Salt Lake City. Further, some say it's only a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of time before he joins his former agent at CIA

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<v Speaker 2>and current New York Knicks president Leon Rose in New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets real spicy.

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<v Speaker 2>They are a first round exit away from Donovan being

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<v Speaker 2>in New York and Eastern Conference.

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<v Speaker 1>Scout said, oh oh, is that true? Uh? I'd say

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty likely. A first round exit for the Utah Jazz.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care who they see.

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<v Speaker 2>They are vulnerable. Remember remember good old Darron Williams. You

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<v Speaker 2>remember Gordon Hayward, Good players, nice guys, had some handles.

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<v Speaker 2>Doron Wins one of the better floor generals, Gordon Hayward

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<v Speaker 2>one of the better wings in the league. Two Jazz

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<v Speaker 2>first rounders who said deuces, I am all the way

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<v Speaker 2>out of this fucking place for greener pastures. The difference

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<v Speaker 2>is Gordon Hayward left in free agency. Donovan Mitchell still

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<v Speaker 2>has four years left on his contract. If the Jazz

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<v Speaker 2>don't do something to fix their problems, Fast Spider might

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<v Speaker 2>be the next man out of the door in Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>That is all the time that we have for the

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