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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: Buck is out. We'll be back together in DC next week.

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Speaker 2: I am told that I have a tan.

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Speaker 1: You may have seen me on such programs as Jesse

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Speaker 1: Waters on Fox News, where I was described as looking

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Speaker 1: like I Believe Bacon with a beard, which was a

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Speaker 1: heck of a line by him. Some of you are

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Speaker 1: watching right now on video. I think my tan is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I think it somewhat resembles John F. Kennedy back in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, not me, but the Tan before he

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Speaker 1: was assassinated. So I'm hoping that my beautiful tan will

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Speaker 1: not be followed by an assassination. It's not going to

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Speaker 1: be writing around in any convertibles without rooftops anytime soon

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Speaker 1: in Deely Plaza. But we have got all sorts of

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Speaker 1: chaos to dive into with you. And as I know

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Speaker 1: Buck was addressing yesterday right in the final hour when

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Speaker 1: the Donald Trump versus Elon Musk fireworks started, I have

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Speaker 1: got deep dive psychological analysis also some humor that I

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Speaker 1: hope to pepper with all of you as we roll

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Speaker 1: through the Friday edition of the program here and head

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Speaker 1: you into the weekend. A little bit of housekeeping. Newt

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Speaker 1: Gingrich will be with us in the third hour, and

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Speaker 1: OutKick reporter dan Zak Sheesky is scheduled to join us

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Speaker 1: in the second hour, and certainly we will take your

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Speaker 1: calls and your reactions to everything that is going on.

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Speaker 1: I met a lot of you. I have been out.

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Speaker 1: My kids got out of school on Tuesday, and so

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Speaker 1: I was on the road with them as a result,

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Speaker 1: doing dad related travel. Someone told me and I they

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Speaker 1: do think there's a lot of truth to it that

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Speaker 1: once you have kids, you no longer take vacations. You

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Speaker 1: take family trips, and that is a very different thing,

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Speaker 1: particularly when your kids are young. Although my kids are

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Speaker 1: now seventeen, fourteen, and ten, and so they are aging

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Speaker 1: up there. And so we went to amusement parks. I

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Speaker 1: think you guys played my Tom Cruise Mission Impossible analysis

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Speaker 1: last week with Buck, which was as usual. Buck doesn't

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Speaker 1: like fun things. He would have been miserable. It's a

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Speaker 1: super crowded, hot amusement park. But we went to the

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Speaker 1: new Universal Studios amusement park that opened in Orlando. Took

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Speaker 1: the boys there. Met many of you all over the place,

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Speaker 1: and then I'd never been to Atlantis and the Bahamas.

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Speaker 1: We'll have some fun talking about that maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit later in the program. But I met a lot

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Speaker 1: of you all over the place, and I appreciate everybody

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Speaker 1: who comes up and says HI. When you were also

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Speaker 1: on your vacations, often with your own families. I was

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Speaker 1: also with Buck. We had an amazing iHeart event in

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Speaker 1: West Palm Beach for all of our advertisers. I got

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Speaker 1: to meet bucks brand new baby James for the first time.

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Speaker 1: I think there are pictures. Alley's more on top of

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Speaker 1: these things than I am on social media. I'm not

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Speaker 1: very good at taking photos. I can send messages, but

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Speaker 1: I am not a photo guy. But I believe there

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Speaker 1: are pictures up of the baby. We had an awesome time.

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Speaker 1: We met with a lot of our great advertisers over

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Speaker 1: the past several days. I am now back at home

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Speaker 1: in Nashville and looking forward by the way next week,

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Speaker 1: just texting we are set up to be meeting a

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Speaker 1: lot of people in DC next week. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: at the Pentagon with Pete Hegseth. We're going to be

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Speaker 1: and many others. We will have quite a few senators

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Speaker 1: and representatives in our DC studios next week, so we literally,

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Speaker 1: as I set down, we are texting to get a

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Speaker 1: that coming on the horizon. But the fallout from yesterday's

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Speaker 1: Bill is what is continuing to resonate all over the

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Speaker 1: political universe, all over the business universe. Basically the number

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Speaker 1: one can't miss story conflict between Elon Musk, the richest

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Speaker 1: man in the world. What's my take? First, we told

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Speaker 1: not indicative of a long term breach, but is I

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, because it seems to me that he is

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Speaker 1: by far the angriest over the over the situation right now.

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Speaker 1: Elon is used to having complete and total control. He

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Speaker 1: all of those companies. They are wildly successful. I believe

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Speaker 1: that's hyperbole when you consider what he has done with Tesla,

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Speaker 1: when you consider what he has done with SpaceX, what

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Speaker 1: he has done with Twitter, slash x, now with Xai,

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Speaker 1: talking about how impressed he is with Neuralink and what

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Speaker 1: which are fabulously successful. We truly have never seen anything

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Speaker 1: And these companies are doing things that many other people

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Speaker 1: by and large, hey, it's possible to be better at

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Speaker 1: the problem. It requires a skill set that is massively

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Speaker 1: risk taking, moves rapidly and breaks things. It is entrepreneurial

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Speaker 1: in nature. It is by and large not a management job.

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Speaker 1: Founders think and behave differently than people who are in management.

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Speaker 1: That's oftentimes why the number of founders that can transition

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Speaker 1: and Buck has said on this program, we told you

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Speaker 1: this was coming, that Elon Musk was going to get

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Speaker 1: hyper frustrated over how slow government moves. I am a

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Speaker 1: penprick as successful as Elon Musk. The reason I didn't

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Speaker 1: slow for me. I'm a young litigator. You pinpoint the

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Speaker 1: I was frustrated. I am somewhat impatient. Government is that

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Speaker 1: And even though we recognize all these things, government is

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Speaker 2: I mean, we had left wingers.

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Speaker 1: And so I think Elon was terribly frustrated. Remember he

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Speaker 1: his anger had been building for some time. And then

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Speaker 1: Trump yesterday in the Oval Office, said, Hey, I basically

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Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing appreciate what Elon was going to do, but

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Speaker 1: And Elon decided that that was ungrateful. And you combine

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Speaker 1: Elon of NASA. And you also add up that he

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Speaker 1: here legitimately and tell you an example. Abraham Lincoln, when

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Speaker 1: write entire angry letters to subordinates. He would then wait

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Speaker 1: I have the unique job where I get to sit

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Speaker 2: I just step right out of the radio studio.

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Speaker 1: My therapy is I said exactly what I wanted to

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Speaker 1: that's the reason that he went in that direction. I

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Speaker 1: think that Trump has actually responded in the Elon fracas

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Speaker 1: as the adult in the room candidly, which is not

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Speaker 1: always what you in desipate Trump doing, but I think

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Speaker 1: he has a great deal of like for Elon.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I think Trump sees Elon as childlike and a kid.

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Speaker 1: And we have talked about this with you, Buck and

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Speaker 1: I have I every time I've met Trump, and I've

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Speaker 1: interviewed Trump eleven times. Now I am basically the same

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Speaker 1: age as his kids. I'm telling you Trump is almost

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Speaker 1: eighty years old. I think he just had a seventy

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Speaker 1: ninth birthday. He sees people around my age as his kids.

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Speaker 1: Trump has always and and and as a grandfather and

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Speaker 1: fatherly type figure. I think he sees Trump as a kid.

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Speaker 1: Thinks that there is a childlike glee in Elon which

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Speaker 1: Trump likes and respects, but also recognizes that in pushing

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Speaker 1: himself so far as Elon has, that there are consequences

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Speaker 1: with that behavior.

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Speaker 2: And I think Elon would even say it.

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Speaker 1: You don't decide that you're better at sending rockets to

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Speaker 1: the internal combustion engine, the effort and energy that that takes,

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Speaker 1: there's consequences elsewhere. I think again, Elon is an autistic genius.

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Speaker 1: It allows him to focus in a way that regular

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Speaker 1: cues that regular humans would not. And it is very

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Speaker 1: rare in my experience that when someone has great talent

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Speaker 1: in one particular arena, it is spread evenly everywhere. And

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Speaker 1: this is kind of the way you think about from athletes, right,

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Speaker 1: how often in your high school was the best athlete

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be an expert in Silicon Valley

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Speaker 1: geopolitics to analyze Elon Musk. Just go to your own

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Speaker 1: high school. How often was the smartest person, also the

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Speaker 1: as they are. Yeah, the prom king is also the

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Speaker 1: usually that talent is not evenly distributed. Elon is off

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Speaker 1: the charts, I think when it comes to intelligence and

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Speaker 1: capitalist who has ever lived in the history of capitalism

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Speaker 1: if you look at his accomplishments. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: he's emotionally a savant. I think he still in many

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Speaker 1: ways behaves in a childlike fashion. I think that's why

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Speaker 1: And I actually think Trump has handled this again as

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Speaker 1: his temper tantrum. Even by last evening he was sharing

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Speaker 1: Bill Ackman's comments like, Hey, it's better for the country

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Speaker 1: if we don't viewed. This morning, he's been sharing again

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Speaker 1: the big beautiful Bill. I'll talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: that where I think it's gone. But I think all

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Speaker 1: ultimately frustrated that he wasn't able to have the same

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Speaker 1: level of success making the country's finances strong as he

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Speaker 1: has been in making his own businesses and their finances strong.

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Speaker 1: I'll take some of your calls, by the way, at

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Speaker 1: because I do think that Elon is a force for good,

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Speaker 1: for OutKick, reporting on a variety of different stories, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to shine some light on this because I

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Speaker 2: Many of you out.

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Speaker 1: There will remember a story went viral when the Indian

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Speaker 1: and they did an investigation. They determined that absolutely nothing

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Speaker 1: inappropriate or racist had been said. They couldn't find any

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Speaker 1: evidence of it. Go figure, and the WNBA at that

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Speaker 1: time said, and I'm paraphrasing them, but basically, we have

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Speaker 1: no place in this league for racism or mistreatment of

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Speaker 1: others based on their their race. There's ender ethnicity, any

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Speaker 1: of those things. And then within like a day and

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Speaker 1: a half, Britney Griner, who is a women's basketball player

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Speaker 1: that was traded for the Merchant of Death. That seems

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Speaker 1: like a not very fair trade. We got a black

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Speaker 1: lesbian basketball player in the WNBA, Russia got back the

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Speaker 1: Merchant of death to help them theoretically create more death. Again,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a very unbalanced trade. Like herschel Walker

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Speaker 1: for those of you who are old school, when the

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboy. Sorry, Viking fans got all of the assets

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Speaker 1: for no cost. But recently Deshaun Watson to the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns probably the worst trade of all time. Houston Texans

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Speaker 1: get insanely fortunate. This was worse than those I would argue.

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Speaker 1: But Britney Griner on the sideline appears to insult white

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Speaker 1: women in a phrase that went megaviral. She has said nothing.

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Speaker 1: The WNBA has said nothing. Now, I would submit to

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Speaker 1: you that if Caitl and Clark were on the sideline

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Speaker 1: insulting black girls, that Kaitlin Clark's entire career would probably

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Speaker 1: be over everyone to be talking about it. So what

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Speaker 1: did Britney Griner say? Has the WNBA investigated at all?

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Speaker 1: OutKick is like the only place that would even covered this,

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Speaker 1: And so Dan Zack Sheesky is a reporter at OutKick,

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Speaker 1: and Dan appreciate you making the time for us. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to give a background. I think I laid out

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Speaker 1: everything there. You've been trying to go cover Britney Griner

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Speaker 1: and just ask the questions of her. What has happened?

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Speaker 1: What has the WNBA done?

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Speaker 2: Well, First of.

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Speaker 4: All, Clay, let me say that I don't know that

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Speaker 4: the Shawn Watson trades pretty bad. It might be closed

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Speaker 4: as far as worst trade.

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Speaker 2: Which is the worst trade of all time?

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Speaker 1: Britney Grinder for the Merchant of Death or Deshaun Watson

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Speaker 1: for all the first round picks the Cleveland Brown's a

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Speaker 1: good debate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you need to put up a pole

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Speaker 4: on your on your Twitter account anyway, So exactly you

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Speaker 4: laid it out perfectly. It's pretty simple, clay. Some people

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Speaker 4: say Brittany Grinder said fing white girl. Some people think

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Speaker 4: she said fing whack call. It was a pretty easy

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Speaker 4: way to figure out what she said.

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Speaker 5: Asked her.

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Speaker 4: It's not that hard. Ask for the question, Britney Griner.

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Speaker 4: There's a viral moment. You know it, you've seen it,

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Speaker 4: you said it. What did you say? Not one person

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Speaker 4: has asked Britney Griner that question since it happened two

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Speaker 4: weeks ago. I mean, Grinder has played several WNBA games

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Speaker 4: since then. I mean, I know al Kick has reached

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Speaker 4: out to the WNBA to Grinder's management team. They aren't responding.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, this is really incumbent upon the so

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Speaker 4: called journalists and reporters who cover this league to ask.

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Speaker 4: It blows my mind that no one has even asked

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Speaker 4: the question. So we requested a credential for the game

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Speaker 4: where Grinder was playing in Los Angeles. Now Grinder didn't

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Speaker 4: actually end up playing in that game, but we were

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Speaker 4: denied that credential request. We put in a request for

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Speaker 4: the game tonight against the Connecticut Sun. I have covered

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Speaker 4: several Connecticut Sun games over the past year. I was

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Speaker 4: even allowed to, I'm sorry, granted a credential for a

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Speaker 4: playoff game against the Connecticut Sun against Caitlyn Clark and

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Speaker 4: the Indiana Fever. Now you want to talk about whether

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Speaker 4: or not there's enough space, because that was their response,

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Speaker 4: we don't have enough space to accommodate you. Really, you

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Speaker 4: had enough space for me to go to a playoff

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Speaker 4: game that featured Caitlin Clark playing at the Mohegan Sun Arena,

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Speaker 4: which by the way, is in the middle of absolutely nowhere.

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Speaker 4: There are not a lot of people that cover this

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Speaker 4: team regularly, because I mean, why would you the Kanicket

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Speaker 4: Sun have one win and they're telling us they don't

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Speaker 4: have enough space for me to cover the game. I

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Speaker 4: called bs on that they don't want us asking Britney

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Speaker 4: Grinder the question that frankly should have already been asked.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is interesting to me. We have requested Throughoutkick.

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Speaker 1: I say we because I sold out Kick. Fox owns it,

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Speaker 1: but I still do work for OutKick and I founded it.

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Speaker 1: You have asked to cover Britney Grinder's team in a

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Speaker 1: game in LA, and now you have asked to cover

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Speaker 1: Britney Grinder's team on the East Coast in Connecticut, and

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Speaker 1: both of those in WNBA teams have said no, we

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Speaker 1: don't have space.

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Speaker 2: We can't handle one more journalist.

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Speaker 5: That's my understanding.

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Speaker 4: It was not me who requested the credential in LA,

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Speaker 4: because I live in Connecticut. That would have been quite

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Speaker 4: the trick for me. I believe that Los Angeles claimed

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Speaker 4: that we requested the credential too late, you know, late whatever.

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Speaker 2: Fine, So so let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: I will speak to this because I've been involved in

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Speaker 1: this for a long time. OutKick is credentialed for the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. You're a sports guy. Super Bowl pretty difficult

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Speaker 1: to get a credential for kind of a big deal.

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Speaker 4: Yes, let's say so.

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Speaker 2: Out Kick has.

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Speaker 1: Been credentialed for any NFL game, any NBA game, any

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Speaker 1: NHL game, and any major conference with Big Ten SEC

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Speaker 1: all of these different sporting events to my knowledge. But you,

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Speaker 1: I'll ask you, is are all of those sports that

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Speaker 1: I just named? For instance, would in Alabama Auburn game

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Speaker 1: in general receive a little bit more coverage than the

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Speaker 1: than any w NBA game that's ever existed, but certainly

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Speaker 1: a random w NBA game in the regular season?

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Speaker 2: Is that fair?

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl? Alabama, Auburn, Ohio State, Michigan. These are things

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Speaker 1: where there is a great deal of sports media demand

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Speaker 1: and yet we've gotten credentials. Would you agree probably a

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Speaker 1: little more popular than the WNBA.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's like the Deshaun Watson trade versus grind or

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Speaker 4: trade debate. But yes, I do think you are correct

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Speaker 4: that there's a little bit more interest in those events

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Speaker 4: that you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: In general, super Bowl more people interested in it than

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Speaker 1: women's professional basketball. I know that's going to really drive

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Speaker 1: the left wingers crazy, but it is. It is the

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Speaker 1: case that Super Bowl, featuring only men, at least so far,

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Speaker 1: is more popular than a basketball game featuring only women. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so what do you attribute this to? Because I'll tell you,

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Speaker 1: as the founder of OutKick, I think that the WNBA

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Speaker 1: has decided that they will not credential OutKick for anything.

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Speaker 1: And this is a top down decision. Every team has

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Speaker 1: talked about it. They have decided they don't like the

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Speaker 1: way we're covering their league and therefore they want credentialists.

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Speaker 1: Do you buy that as a thesis? In other words,

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Speaker 1: do you think WNBA maybe they get enough pressure from

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Speaker 1: this and they change, But right now, do you think

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Speaker 1: that's their calculus?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think that's one hundred percent true. And you know,

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Speaker 4: look like we're going to find out. I requested a

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Speaker 4: credential for the Atlanta Dream versus the New York Liberty.

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Speaker 4: Next week, I requested a credential for the Atlanta Dream

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Speaker 4: versus the Washington Mystic two days after that. Let's see,

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Speaker 4: let's see if they let us in. Because we're we're

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Speaker 4: not going to stop asking. That's what we do it

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Speaker 4: out kick, right, we have questions, we want answers. We're

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Speaker 4: not going to stop asking.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I also think this is important.

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Speaker 1: Ostensibly the only reason for sports journalism to exist as

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Speaker 1: it pertains to games is for journalists, that is, reporters.

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Speaker 1: However you want to classify it, to go and ask athletes, coaches, owners,

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Speaker 1: anyone affiliated with teams questions about their performance in the game. Right,

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Speaker 1: That's the only reason why anyone should be credentialed to

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Speaker 1: a game, particularly in this day and age, because everybody

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Speaker 1: can sit and watch the actual game.

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Speaker 2: It used to be that.

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Speaker 1: You had to have journalists at games because you would

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Speaker 1: wake up the next morning and you wanted to get

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Speaker 1: the newspaper and otherwise you wouldn't know what happened in

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Speaker 1: the game. But now every game streams, every game is available,

724
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Speaker 1: every fan knows the score of any team they care about.

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Speaker 1: The only reason why these jobs should exist is for

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Speaker 1: questions to be asked of the people involved.

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Speaker 2: In them, right, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So if we believe that is the presumption,

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Speaker 1: then how in the world is it possible take out

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Speaker 1: kick off the table? Because I agree with you, we

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Speaker 1: would ask Britney Griner this question, How in the world,

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Speaker 1: from a media perspective, from a journalistic perspective, from a

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Speaker 1: big jay journalism role, can the New York Times, the

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Speaker 1: Washington Post, The New York Times just had a big

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Speaker 1: profile of Britney Griner ironically that I read over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: How can they justify going and covering these games and

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Speaker 1: not asking Britney Griner about the megaviral clip of her

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Speaker 1: in the wake of the investigation of the Indiana Fever

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Speaker 1: over inappropriate comments. I mean, it seems like the biggest,

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Speaker 1: most glistening orb in the sky. How could they possibly

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Speaker 1: justify from a journalistic perspective not asking that question.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty easy, Clay, and we're finding out right now

743
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Speaker 4: because when you ask those questions, you don't get invited back. See,

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Speaker 4: the WNBA has put this, has put this in place

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Speaker 4: where it's like, hey, you cover our league the way

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Speaker 4: we want you to cover it, or we're not giving

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Speaker 4: you a credential. I mean, look at Christine Brennan, one

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Speaker 4: of the most radical left wing, progressive liberal sports writers

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Speaker 4: on the planet, dared to ask Dja Carrington if she

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Speaker 4: poked Caitlin Clark in the eye on purpose last year

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Speaker 4: and had the WNBA Players Association calling for her credentials

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Speaker 4: to be revoked. I mean, if Christine Brennan is not

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Speaker 4: immune from the WNBA considering revoking credentials, who is immune?

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Speaker 4: The answer is no one, So Clay, I think it

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Speaker 4: comes down to a simple calculus, like, hey, we want

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Speaker 4: to continue to be allowed to cover games. The WNBA

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Speaker 4: doesn't want look Clay, there's no such thing as a

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Speaker 4: WNBA reporter or a WNBA journalists. People might have it

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Speaker 4: in their LinkedIn bios or on their social media profiles,

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Speaker 4: but they're not telling the truth. The WNBA has a

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Speaker 4: group of people who act as essentially a pr firm

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Speaker 4: or a cheerleader for the league, and that's all it is,

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Speaker 4: and that's all they want.

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Speaker 5: The media is.

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Speaker 4: Here to promote our product, talk about us only in

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Speaker 4: a positive light. And it drives me insane because the

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Speaker 4: players talk about, oh, we deserve equal pay, equal coverage to.

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Speaker 5: The men's game, and this and that.

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Speaker 4: But they're not telling the truth either. They don't want equal,

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Speaker 4: they want equal, but special. They want everything that comes

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Speaker 4: along with the positive, which is more money, more advertisements,

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Speaker 4: all of that, but they don't want the criticism.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you one more question here.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the time dan Zach Sheesky at OutKick on

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Speaker 1: the news. The WNBA is refusing to credential OutKick for

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Speaker 1: any Britney Grinder game. You've also been covering Nike. Nike

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Speaker 1: appears to have funded a study of trans miners to

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Speaker 1: see and I'm just trying to pair phrase it here

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Speaker 1: to see what the impact of huberty related treatment, so

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Speaker 1: called gender affirming care might be on athletics. What is

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Speaker 1: going on here and what is happening such that Nike

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Speaker 1: is not in any way responding to questions that rose

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Speaker 1: out of a New York Times expose of all things

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Speaker 1: relating to gender treatments.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, well, we don't know because Nike won't tell us.

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Speaker 4: We've only received one comment from Nike that was on background.

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Speaker 4: It was from you know, quote unquote anonymous source. I

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Speaker 4: spoke to a Nike executive who did not want to

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Speaker 4: be named and said, the study is not moving forward.

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Speaker 5: Essentially.

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Speaker 4: Now, we don't know when that happened. We don't know

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Speaker 4: if it's The speculation, of course, is that this was

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Speaker 4: made public by our reporting and they were like, oh crap,

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Speaker 4: we got to stop doing this, and the best way

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Speaker 4: to handle it is to just not say anything. So

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Speaker 4: I actually Clay went to Boston cause I also haven't

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Speaker 4: been able to speak with the researchers. The researchers who

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Speaker 4: were doing this study, who are not affiliated with Nike,

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Speaker 4: but we're receiving money from Nike. Allegedly, they also were

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Speaker 4: not responding to any inquiries. I sent dozens of emails

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Speaker 4: to doctor Katherine Ackerman, the lead researcher on the study,

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Speaker 4: and couldn't get a response. So Ackerman hosts a bi

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Speaker 4: annual female athlete conference. This year it was in Boston,

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Speaker 4: so I'll kick send me up to Boston to go

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Speaker 4: find Katherine Ackerman asked her to her face what is

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Speaker 4: going on, and she basically would not say anything. She

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Speaker 4: knew right away who I was. After she asked my name,

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Speaker 4: I was like, hey, my name is Dan. She's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I know who you are, and I know what you

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Speaker 4: want to talk about. And I was like, okay, well

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Speaker 4: do you want to talk about it? And she was like, no,

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Speaker 4: I do not. I also spoke with Joanna Harper, the

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Speaker 4: secondary researcher who you mentioned in that New York Times article.

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Speaker 4: That's who said it. Harper said it to New York Times.

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Speaker 4: Also told me I'm not supposed to talk about that. Okay,

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Speaker 4: not supposed to talk about it? Well, who told you

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Speaker 4: not to.

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Speaker 5: Talk about it?

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Speaker 4: I mean the obvious answer would be Nike, But again

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Speaker 4: we don't know because Nike won't tell us. They could

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Speaker 4: clear this up with one email, one phone call. They're

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Speaker 4: choosing not to, which only makes them look more and

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Speaker 4: more guilty in this situation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for filling in and for people out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is way worse than bud Light giving

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Speaker 1: a random beer cans to a trans influencer. This in theory,

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Speaker 1: would be Nike paying for miners to be treated to

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Speaker 1: see what the impact is in athletics, which is crazy. Dan,

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Speaker 1: appreciate the work. Keep us updated on WNBA propagandists.

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Speaker 2: And more anytime.

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Speaker 5: Please thank you.

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Speaker 2: Dan does really good work. I do think that's important.

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Speaker 1: And people will say, Okay, well, you know it's sports,

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Speaker 1: why does it matter. The only reason why anyone should

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Speaker 1: be credentialed to go to a sporting event in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five is to ask questions of athletes and of

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Speaker 1: coaches and of owners other people affiliated with the game,

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Speaker 1: because everybody knows the outcome of the game. The WNBA

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Speaker 1: doesn't have reporters, they have propagandists, and they won't even

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Speaker 1: ask Brittney Griner whether she gave a racial slur to

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Speaker 1: white people on the sideline and a megaviral clip that's

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Speaker 1: been watched over ten million times on Twitter alone. It's shameful. Also, predictable. Look,

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Speaker 1: we just came back. I was down in Palm Beach.

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Speaker 1: We met with the IFCJ face to face and help

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Speaker 1: them raise money because the attacks on Jewish people continue

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Speaker 1: One of the eight people injured, eighty eight year old

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Speaker 1: We also know what happened in our nation's capital, Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: Globalizing the end of Fada has consequences, but also you

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Speaker 1: other essential items. I saw it for myself in December

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Speaker 1: when I traveled to Israel. They also feed elderly Holocaust survivors.

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Speaker 1: eight four eight eight if CJ. We are joined now

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Speaker 1: by former Speaker of the House New Gingrich. He has

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Speaker 1: got a brand new book out, Trump's Triumph, America's Greatest Comeback.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into the elon thing in a sec but

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Speaker 1: Speaker Gingrich, appreciate you coming on with this. You've been

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Speaker 1: on with this several times. You are a student of history.

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Speaker 1: Is there any doubt that Trump coming back to win

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Speaker 1: the election is the greatest American political comeback of all time?

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Speaker 1: Can you even think of a comparison in the historical

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Speaker 1: record based on your knowledge?

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Speaker 6: No, both, because he was in office, lost office, got

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Speaker 6: back into office, which is tied only by Grover Cleveland

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Speaker 6: in eighteen ninety two, but even deeper, he had built

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Speaker 6: such a strong following that Trump defeated Biden and then

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Speaker 6: pivoted and a couple months later defeated Harris. No other

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Speaker 6: candidate has defeated two major opponents in one year and

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Speaker 6: the very fact that he's still standing. This is part

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Speaker 6: of why I wrote Trump's Triumph, which I began writing

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Speaker 6: back in October, because I was convinced he was going

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Speaker 6: to win.

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Speaker 5: You think about everything they threw at.

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Speaker 6: Him now, since he's walked down the elevator or the

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Speaker 6: escalator in twenty fifteen, ten years pounding away at him,

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Speaker 6: and he's still standing and now he's once again president.

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Speaker 6: So it's a remarkable achievement.

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Speaker 1: Is there anybody that you even think about historically outside

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Speaker 1: of the United States? You mentioned Grover Cleveland, because one

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Speaker 1: of the great things about history is one you can

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Speaker 1: learn about everybody that came before you, but you can

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Speaker 1: also try to extrapolate how people that we don'ton't know

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Speaker 1: hundreds of years from now will look back. This is

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Speaker 1: really a pretty incredible era. From the moment Trump came

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Speaker 1: down the escalator, people are going to be grappling with

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Speaker 1: his legacy for the next several hundred years.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I think that's right. I think, particularly if he

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Speaker 6: can win the election next year and retain the Republican

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Speaker 6: control of the House, he will, I think, enact so

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Speaker 6: much reform and change the old order so decisively that

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Speaker 6: he will rival everybody except Washington and Lincoln as the greatest,

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Speaker 6: one of the greatest change agents in American history. And

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Speaker 6: it's truly astonishing to watch him work, to realize how

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Speaker 6: many different things he's doing at the same time, and

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Speaker 6: how determined he is to literally make America great again.

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Speaker 1: Trump is the most powerful person. I think it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say in the world. Elon Musk is the richest.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday Elon had basically what felt to me like a

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Speaker 1: temper tantrum on Twitter. He seems to have dialed it

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Speaker 1: back today. I imagine you have met Elon at some

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Speaker 1: point in time. I know you know Trump. Well, what

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Speaker 1: is your take over what happened yesterday, the relationship between

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Speaker 1: the two and where it goes from here.

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Speaker 6: Oh, you have two very powerful personalities who are also

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Speaker 6: very powerful in real sources. I mean, President Trump is

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Speaker 6: the most powerful man in the world, and Elon Musk

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Speaker 6: is the richest. So it's pretty interesting. I think Elon

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Speaker 6: sort of had a temper tantrum and melded down. When

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Speaker 6: you do forty tweets in one day, you are sort

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Speaker 6: of undermining yourself because it's hard for anyone to take

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Speaker 6: you seriously when you do that many, and I think

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Speaker 6: he was just he was angry, upset, didn't know what

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Speaker 6: I don't think in the long run was to Elon

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Speaker 6: musk advantage because he's.

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Speaker 5: You know, he has a brilliant guy.

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Speaker 6: What he's done with SpaceX, for example, has single handedly

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Speaker 6: put America back in the lead in space. So he's

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Speaker 6: a remarkable person. But at the same time, he's not

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Speaker 6: the president. He didn't have seventy seven million people vote

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Speaker 6: for him. He's not in a position to wield the

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Speaker 6: kind of power that the Constitution gives only to the

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Speaker 6: President of States. And I think somehow hanging out at

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Speaker 6: marl Argo and then hanging out at the White House,

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Speaker 6: Elon forgot that he was a supporter to the incumbent president.

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Speaker 5: He wasn't an alternative.

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Speaker 1: You said, you think Trump's term in office can be

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Speaker 1: truly transformative if he's able to retain control of the

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Speaker 1: House Republicans are in the midterms next year. What do

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Speaker 1: you think now about the squabble surrounding the so called

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Speaker 1: Big Beautiful bill. Speaker Johnson got it through on the

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Speaker 1: House side. Senate, there are obstacles. What would your take

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Speaker 1: be based on what you have seen of this bill.

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Speaker 1: What should happen? What will happen?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it should pass, and I think it

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Speaker 6: will pass. It'll change form a little bit, and that's.

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Speaker 5: The way I'm supposed to it.

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Speaker 6: Look, the founding fathers did not want to build a

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Speaker 6: machine that you could make work so easily that a

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Speaker 6: dictator could make it work. So they designed a machine

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Speaker 6: that is so hard that we can barely get it

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Speaker 6: to work voluntarily, and they would be very happy with that.

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Speaker 6: They say, yeah, the price of freedom is that you

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Speaker 6: disperse power, so you have to get a lot of

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Speaker 6: people to sign off. Well, that's frustrating, it's difficult. Mike

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Speaker 6: Johnson has done a great job as Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 6: and frankly is the Senator's foon. The majority of the

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Speaker 6: Senate is doing a terrific job, and I think that

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Speaker 6: between them they seem to have a very good understanding.

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Speaker 6: The Senate will change the bill some some of the

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Speaker 6: will actually be an improvement, and it has to be

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Speaker 6: done carefully, and if they do it just right, I

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Speaker 6: think they'll bring the bill straight from the Senate without

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Speaker 6: a conference and end up having I would guess, a

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Speaker 6: vote in the House, and it'll be close. But my

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Speaker 6: hunch is that did Owen, this is.

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Speaker 5: The heart of the Trump project.

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Speaker 6: He has to have this bill for the economy to boom.

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Speaker 6: And I think if they get this bill through by

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Speaker 6: next June or July, will be in what will be

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Speaker 6: called the Trump boom, and we'll be creating jobs at

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Speaker 6: an unbelievable rate, and take home pay will be going up,

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Speaker 6: and affordability will be increasing, and people are going to think,

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Speaker 6: you know, this was worth the effort.

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Speaker 2: How durable is Trump is in post Trump?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think one of the reasons he picked JD.

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Speaker 5: Vance to be his vice president.

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Speaker 6: Vance is a year younger than Nixon was when Eisenhower

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Speaker 6: picked in, and I think one of the reasons he

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Speaker 6: did it is he wanted somebody who could carry on

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Speaker 6: the basic core messages and he thought that JD sort

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Speaker 6: of had that in his head. So I think guys

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Speaker 6: are pretty good. I mean, one of the points of

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Speaker 6: my book Trump's Triumph, The Greatest the American People's Greatest Comeback,

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Speaker 6: is that.

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Speaker 5: You really had a message.

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Speaker 6: Machine, a movement, and a messenger come together that going

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Speaker 6: all the way back to gold Water in sixty four

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Speaker 6: there's been a gradual, steady increase in the desire to

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Speaker 6: replace the Washington establishment, and that Trump came along and

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Speaker 6: really focused and gave voice to the movement. And I

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Speaker 6: think that's now real. I think you're not going to

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Speaker 6: see a reversion to a traditional Republican winning the presidency

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty eight. It's going to be somebody who

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Speaker 6: shares Trump's values, and the most likely person, frankly is Jdvans.

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Speaker 1: People who are interested in reading the book, what motivated you?

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Speaker 1: You said you thought Trump was going to win, but

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Speaker 1: you're a history guy too. Were you partly writing this

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Speaker 1: book to contextualize the history in real time? What motivated

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Speaker 1: You've written a lot over the years.

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Speaker 6: Well, so much has been going on. I wanted to

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Speaker 6: put it all in historic context. And the book both

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Speaker 6: takes you back to how Trump got here, but it

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Speaker 6: also projects forward where I think it's going to go.

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Speaker 6: And I have to say, even though we began writing

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Speaker 6: in October and finished in early February, when we went

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Speaker 6: back and reviewed the book just before its publication, the

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Speaker 6: only two things we missed were the Gulf of America

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Speaker 6: and the desire to annex Canada, and Greemam. Other than that,

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Speaker 6: the book really did a pretty good job of capturing

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Speaker 6: where the MAGA movement was going and where Trump was going.

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Speaker 1: Speaker New Gingers, we appreciate the time, have a good weekend.

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Speaker 1: The book Trump's Triumph, America's greatest comeback, and we hope

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Speaker 1: you're having a lot of fun on the road promoting it.

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Speaker 2: And thanks for time today.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Take care.

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Speaker 1: Speak of New Gingrich James James Carey, that's a very

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Speaker 1: big difference, joined the United States Marine Corps after being

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Speaker 1: inspired by his grandfather, who also served our nation. I

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Speaker 1: also want to mention right off the top. I know

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Speaker 1: I mentioned it earlier. I don't think I mentioned it

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Speaker 1: this hour. It's eighty first anniversary of D Day, and

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll take a little bit of time, as

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Speaker 1: I know so many people at Tunnel to Towers will.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll take a little bit of time to

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Speaker 1: think about the legacy of all the bravery that we

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Speaker 1: saw on June sixth, nineteen forty four, as all of

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Speaker 1: those men stepped out into the face of the Nazi

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Speaker 1: guns all over Normandy eighty.

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Speaker 2: One years ago.

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Speaker 1: Today, I guarantee if Frank Siller, who started Tunnel to

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Speaker 1: Towers is thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: I know him well.

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you he's spending part of his day thinking

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Speaker 1: about the sacrifices those guys made and about people like

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Speaker 1: James Carey, who joined the United States Marine Corps after

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Speaker 1: being inspired by his grandfather, who also served our nation.

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Speaker 1: James loved being a marine, but his life would change forever.

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Speaker 1: During a training exercise, he lost consciousness nearly drowned. The

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Speaker 1: incident resulted in a brain injury that left him blind

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Speaker 1: and it even brought on dementia. The Tunnel of the

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Speaker 1: Towers Foundation built James especially adapted smart home to enable

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Speaker 1: him to live more independently. Thanks to the generosity of

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Speaker 1: friends like you, the lives of America's heroes and their

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Speaker 1: families are being improved. James Carey and so many others

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Speaker 1: offer service members first responders, so many people offering the

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Speaker 1: ultimate sacrifice have paid a high price to keep keep

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Speaker 1: friends like you have said thank you not only through words,

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Speaker 1: but also through actions. America's heroes need your help now

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