WEBVTT - 16 Dead and a Coverup: An NHS Trans Horror Story 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.720 Call Zon Media. 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:08.320 Hey, this is me in the future. This is recorded 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.600 in the now halcyon days of January twenty twenty five. 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.520 Lots of things have changed. Basically everything everywhere has gotten worse. 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.439 This is the story about the oppression of Trends people 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.200 in the United Kingdom that is very bleak. In many ways, 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.240 United Kingdom has gotten worse since then. The UK Supreme 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.840 Court has ruled that the definition of sex and the 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.720 Equality Act of twenty ten is quote binary and is 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.680 decided by quote biological sex. So whatever the sex that 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.200 some fucking doctor assigns you at birth is your sex 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.680 specifically under the Equalities Act. A bunch of people in 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.159 the UK have decided that this means that the courts 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.560 have ruled that like sex in general means quote unquote 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:55.320 biological sex. That's actually not what they ruled, but they're 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:57.280 doing anyways. So there's been a whole bunch of things where, 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.360 for example, the Labor Party has started purging Trends women 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:03.520 from any like one of their bodies that's supposed to 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.920 be a woman's body. So through the oppression of trans 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:12.039 people continues to escalate. Yeah, our only path out is 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:15.399 just open and active resistance. Against them in a more 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.320 positive notes, Mira, our guest for this episode, has since 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.880 since this episode, has struck out on her own and 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:26.280 is now the mind and genius behind the outlet Free Radical. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.360 She will link to here and you should go support 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:33.680 her work because it's great. Now to our episode, it's 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:35.759 it could happen here a podcast that is. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:37.960 Largely about the US. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.560 That might that might exaggerate the ex sat to which 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:43.200 is about the US, but it is. Most episodes are 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.759 about the US, but sometimes it's about other places. And 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.040 one of the frequent places that it's about is the 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.640 United Kingdom, And specifically we're gonna talk about the United 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:56.200 Kingdom because the UK is both an image of the 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.640 present and the future of the oppression of trans people. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.800 And there have been in a bunch of just absolutely 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.960 horrible things happening there that have gotten very little press attention. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.440 And one of the one of those things is what 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.640 appears to be a like I guess I would call 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.440 it like a two stage cover up of a bunch 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.359 of suicides of trans kids on waiting list for healthcare. 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.120 And with me to talk about this fucking terrible shit 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.560 is Mira Lasine, who's a freelance trans journalist Miro. Welcome 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:26.040 to the show. 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.160 Great to be here, Thank you for having me. 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:30.600 Yeah. So, I mean, God, this is one of those 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:34.240 I always am excited to talk to people, but I 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.280 swear to God, like one of the every four times 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.200 this happens, it's like a I have to pull it, 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.160 do you? I want to say, I'm excited to talk 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.400 to you about this because, like Jesus christis is the 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.320 most depressing shit I've seen in ages. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:49.720 Yeah, it's not a fun story. It's an important one, 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.640 probably one of the most important I've ever borded on, 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.880 but not remotely fun. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:56.359 Yeah. 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.480 So let's go back to the how I'll see in 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:05.240 days of mid twenty twenty four. I don't know, thanks 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.359 for she really bad then too, but they're worse now, 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:07.920 but they were. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:08.639 Also bad then. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.400 Yeah. So can you talk a bit about how this 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.799 story started and about what was going on with the 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:18.359 National Health Service, the NHS, which is the British basically 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.320 the British healthcare system is run out of National Health Service. 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.919 Can you talk about the whistleblowers there and what was 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:24.880 going on with them? 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:31.120 So, yeah, I first became aware of whats going on independently, 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:38.760 I was working with Alejandra Carabio, the clinical instructor of 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.360 cyber Law Clanic at Harvard. She's a friend of mine 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:46.800 and we worked together on subjects. She and Ira and 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:52.080 almost some other people were talking about the horrific wait 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:57.960 lists going on with the NHS. It's terrible there, I 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:01.280 mean not even just for trance stuff, throwing millions of 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.400 reports of people having to wait months to get essential healthcare. 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:09.440 Some people have died just from like their conditions being 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:13.360 on the wait list. We had both stumbled upon some 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.640 old news reports from like years prior about trans kids 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:22.760 who had unfortunately committed suicide as a result of not 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.520 getting the essential health plague they need on the waitlist. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:30.400 These stories are not talked about their media at all. 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.840 They got like one art mentioned ning what happened to them, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.720 and then that was it. So we started to investigate it. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.279 She was compiling a spreadsheet of everything she could find, 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.600 every news report of kids who experienced this. I was 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.520 pitching help and contribute to that spreadsheets. And then right 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.920 around the same time, the director then of the Good 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.640 Law Project, a civil rights organization that does a lot 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.200 of the stuff in the United Kingdom his name is 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:06.040 Jolyn Mongham apologized if I mispronounced that. He came out 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:11.719 with a Twitter thread revealing and this was very suddenly. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.320 He hadn't contacted anyone about this. He just kind of 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.360 posted it right when he got enough of a story 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.520 and everything. He revealed that he was talking to a 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:25.839 couple of whistleblowers within the NHS about what was going down. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:30.279 And not only did he talk to some whistleblowers, but 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:35.560 he also gained some independent evidence from himself his own investigation, 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:42.040 from meeting minutes from officials in the NHS, and so 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:46.000 what he found kind of began with the first whistle blower. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:52.119 This one was someone who did not reveal much about 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.800 who they were publicly and presumably to protect your job. 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.200 But Logan said that with his whistleblowers, he independently confirmed 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.200 that they did worked for the NHS. He saw their 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.880 ideas Mohm's up typic guy to lie. He's a trusted 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.359 figure in the UK political scene. First one said that 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.520 there was only one reported suicide prior to twenty twenty. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:21.160 Significance of twenty twenty in relation to Shrethelthcare at Nited 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:26.960 Kingdom was that the infamous case Bell versus Tatistock. I'm 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:28.679 not going to go into detail of this case because 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.800 it convoluted messy and hellish, but the gist of it 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.919 is that it led to tightened restrictions on gender perman 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:41.560 careacter miners, particularly in the new realm of puberty blockers. 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.440 This ruling ended up kind of restricting how might act 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.919 ass puberty walkers. Some it was a leader overturned, but 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.160 it already led to lasting damage. Even after it was overturned. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.760 A lot of doctors for hensigent to even prescribed purbity 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:59.479 blockers because they were worried about political consequences. So a 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.080 lot of miners weren't getting the care they need. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.560 Yeah, and we should also mention here too, because I 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:05.919 think this has been lost in a lot of the 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.440 reporting on this because like I mean, I guess this 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:09.760 is the story where a lot of the reporting was 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.000 done by trans people just because like nobody gives a shit. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.480 But like, the thing about puberty blockers is that puberty 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.200 blockers with the healthcare of trans youth were always a 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.560 sort of compromise measure that was, you know, sort of 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.240 put in place as a compromise of like instead of 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.160 letting kids actually transition and like, you know, go on hormones, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.360 which is, you know, the thing that kids like need, 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.520 right if your goal is to like improve the health 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.000 outcomes of trans kids, like the thing you actually want 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.040 for them, like maximally is for them to have the 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.520 ability to get gender affirming hormones. But you know, the 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.200 sort of the sort of compromised thing that was happenings like, well, 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.160 you could have puberty blockers, but you know, you can 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.280 start horp buns later, and that is not a good 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:53.239 compromise to begin with, but losing it is even worse 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.560 because the alternative to that is, like you are now 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:59.040 spending even more time with a bunch of fucking hormones 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.440 in your system that you don't want, more of, more 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.360 of the hormones that you fucking want, and you know 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.239 you're getting you're being forced to go through puberty, which 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.000 fucking sucks. Shit if you're going through I don't know, 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.040 I don't know if the wrong puberty is like the 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.239 correct language or whatever, but like it fucking sucks. It's awful. 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:19.800 And but now you know, and this is just something 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:21.640 that's happening in the US too. It's also happening in 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:25.160 the UK is that the compromised solutions are being knocked 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.280 out and we're seeing the sort of knock on effects 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:30.440 of these kids losing even the sort of compromise stuff 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:31.360 they're supposed to be getting. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.000 Yeah, and they used deep bogus justifications for this, or 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:38.560 like we don't see any benefits of puberty blockers, and 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.040 it's like, the point is not that they are benefiting 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.720 these kids directly. No kid is like, oh boy, I 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.320 get to be five years behind on puberty from my peers, 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.040 I get to look like a ten year old while 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.600 all my peers have full on beam everything. Oh boy. 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:58.160 Like no, but the point is that these kids are 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.120 being deprived of the care they absolutely need to stay 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:06.240 it live, and it's being targeted just for the sole 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.000 purpose of getting cheap politicals from what are the hells 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:14.320 in office? Yeah, but more back to the whistleblowers. So 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:18.079 prior to twenty twenty, when the Belvy Tavistock ruling came 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:24.800 into effect, only one transmitter died from suicide. I don't 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.280 quite remember how I framed the used estimated, but it 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.800 was broader than the one they used after. I believe 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.640 it was like seven years I think, and the years 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.679 after which was measured up to like the very beginning 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.640 of twenty twenty four, like Chaneu were twenty twenty four, 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.160 so not even four years, more like three years and 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:51.040 twne months. They recorded sixteen debts. Yeah, sixteen transgender minors 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.760 committed to suicide, and they were all able to be 0:09:55.880 --> 0:10:01.800 linked to restrictions on computy quarters and NHS wave lists. 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.400 This whistle blower says this data came directly from a 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:11.280 doctor who analyzes just stuck professionally, is like part of 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.839 his job in the NHS. The doctor also wanted to 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:18.559 be anonymous, understandably, he named himself the quote named doctor 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.040 for Safeguarding should. He tried to warn people in the 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.520 NHS about this. He was like, hey, there's something wrong. 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:30.720 This isn't right. We are fucking up. And he talked 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.720 to so many different people, including doctor Hillary Cass, who 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.040 will talk a bit about later. 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:43.319 This is a literary device called foreshadowy, ETCETERA giant clip 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:49.960 flashing big here, giant ominous music surrounding her name does 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.240 He just warned of. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:57.480 People basically, and they all ignored him. They all just 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.079 according to him. And this is all I have to say. 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.160 You know, this has not been verified in the court 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.559 of law or anything. This is according to the whistleblowers 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.920 in Mongham, but we have no reason to believe they 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:13.400 lied or fabricated this information about this was not even 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:18.800 revealed publicly. There's no public outcry. There was no action 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.560 taken by the NHS or any of the clinics. So 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.360 that is the first whistle blower and the whistleblower's connection 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:29.080 to that doctor. The second one basically can and gave 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:33.160 independent verification of this. They were like, yeah, I've seen 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.360 the data for myself too, I can confirm this is legitimate. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.760 Now it wasn't just these three staff members who were 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.400 trying to raise a larm bells. According to the second 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:46.160 whistle blower, staff and the NHS were like, hey, well 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.240 this is not cool. We need to do something, and 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.440 so they got an open letter, sent it to their 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:56.040 higher ups and reportedly the director of the Tavistock Clinic, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:00.679 which was at the time the only gender affirming care 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.719 clinics for minors in the entire United Kingdom. Since that 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.280 is more opened up, but it's a really complicated thing. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:12.040 That's a headache to deal with. But head honchos at 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:16.240 Papa Stock completely retapliated. They threatened them a discipline interaction, 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.920 they suppressed maturial. They're basically were like, you go public 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.360 about this, if you continue talking about this, you're gonna 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:24.520 face consequences. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:26.960 The thing, the thing I instantly came to mind here, 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.240 and I think it's just specifically because of number sixteen, 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.720 but like the first time I read this, the first 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.240 thing that came to my mind was there, you know, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:38.160 there's the sort of famous Chicago story of the police 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.559 killing of the Clint McDonald where the slogan afterwards was 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.559 sixteen shots and a cover up. And this is fucking 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.440 sixteen deaded to cover up. And the about a fucking 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.360 rage that I have for all for this, all of 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.280 this fucking shit, that these people covered this up, that 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.520 they knew this was happening, and we're just like and 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.760 not only knew this was happening and not only didn't 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.720 do anything about it, but like actively he contributed to 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.920 fucking making it worse by threatening anyone to try to 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:08.560 talk about it. Is just so unbelievably disgusting. Yeah, I 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.280 was the first one who broke the story. I basically 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.320 reported on it, like almost immediately after Malgam went public 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:18.240 about this, because I knew not many people were going 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.440 to report on this right away and it was going 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:21.280 to kind of be a headache. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.360 I didn't know how you would, but I was the 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.080 first one to report on it. I did it for 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.600 jeuerlest Aaron read subsect Ara in the morning back in 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:35.400 June of last year, and I had to stop writing 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.000 it multiple times, like I spent the entire day thing 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.079 on it, because it was stomach wrenching reading some of 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.640 these stories and doing everything. The only reason I even 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.320 got through it was because I dissociated the entire time 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.760 and just kind of compartmentalized the anger of bunch Beta. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:55.160 It's like Jesus Christ, this is horrifying. But Margin was 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:56.880 not talking out of his ass with this too. He 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:01.920 brought receipts right in the initial thread, showed leaked to 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.760 meeting minutes, and like you can see water marks from 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:10.320 the NHS on these meeting minutes. Like it is unless 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.240 someone wants to suggest that he did a giant conspiracy 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.400 and fabricated a bunch of very accurate meeting minutes that 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:21.840 reflect publicly available meeting minutes elsewhere, it's pretty reputable. Yeah, 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:26.320 these minutes show that any test officials were aware of 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.880 every single one of these debts, every single one of them. 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:34.560 People were in these meetings calling for an independent investigation 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.240 into each of these debts, into gender affirming care pro miners, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:44.120 into restrictions. They wanted to investigate everything and had detailed data. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:48.360 They had information on the type of care they received, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:54.680 which was basically negligence, and instead of reporting on this publicly, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.280 instead of doing an investigation, they covered this up. They 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:03.880 didn't do anything, and they just pretended like everything was fine, 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.800 like there was no debts as a result of this. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.840 They were acting nothing wrong was going on. And these 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.800 meeting minutes are still public too. Magan is not believe in. 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.720 It's still on his Twitter account. Good Law Project is 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:23.120 not fully any more of the kind of dissolving their 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.360 stuff right now, but Magan is still keeping all information up. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.400 It's all detailed, it's publicly there. People can see for 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:34.760 themselves these minutes, and it's horrifying seeing the physical proof. 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.239 It's yeah, it's horrifying. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.880 Yeah, And we need to go to ads and when 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.080 we come back, we'll get to the second fucking cover up, 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:46.280 because there was a second one. Did it again? This 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.760 time with the British Broadcasting What the fuck does the 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.880 C stand for corporation? That one British broadcast in corporation 0:15:53.080 --> 0:16:07.520 leading the charge and we are back. So let's talk 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:11.400 about the fucking second cover up because normally, normally you 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.880 only get one cover up when your fucking health care 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.640 policies kill a bunch of people, but no, two, they 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.760 got multiple cover ups. Before we get to the second 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.440 cover up, we need to talk about what the CAST 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.040 Report is, because that's also part of this that we 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.840 kind of bounced around a little bit but then didn't. Yeah. 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:33.760 Well, yeah, so the CAST Report is probably one of 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:35.680 the worst things to come out at the anti trans 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.840 crowd in the past decade. Yeah. The gist of it 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:44.680 is it's essentially a supplusively independent report commissioned by the 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:49.200 Knighting government to investigate the efficacy of hubery blockers and 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:54.040 gender heerman character minors, authored by doctor Hillard Cass, who 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.800 they claim is an expert in this subject. I'll get 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.320 to that in the second. Yeah, the gist of what 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.600 it was claiming is that nope, puberty blockers do anything. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.440 They actually hurt the kids, they don't improve mental health, 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.840 they don't protect anything. Suicides stay the same, it's all bad. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.400 Get rid of them and actually restrict gender referman care too, 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:20.560 and also maybe we should detransition these kids too. It's 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.320 a very long document. It's actually a set of documents, 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:30.160 but the primary one isn't incredibly long. I remember when 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:34.239 it first it came out last year. It's been in 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.960 the works for the better part of the last decade, 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.000 most of the twenty ten's it's been in the works. 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.480 I don't remember the exact year that it was initially commissioned, 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.440 but it's been something the United Kingdom government has been 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.520 waiting on for a while to take action for gender 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.760 reforming care. Now, to understand the Cast report, you gotta 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.359 understand a little bit about Hillary Casts. Hillary cass is 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:01.240 not an expert in gender firming care form. She has 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:06.399 never treated a transgender patient in her professional practice whatsoever. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:10.600 Would thank god, because holy shit, Oh she is such 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:15.159 a transphob Oh my god. Yes, but yeah, also utterly unqualified. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:20.720 Completely unqualified while she was writing it instead of talk 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.000 with single trans person as like part of the consulting, 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.000 because she didn't do it by herself. It's wait too 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.439 long for anyone to do buyers, but by themselves. She 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:32.800 got a bunch of unknown advisers to help her with this, 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:37.679 one of which is a Finnish psychiatrist who has been 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.200 campaign against transgender rights for the past twenty years. Yep, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.040 but she did not have any trans people on the 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:46.440 consulting board, not a single one. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.280 Well, of course, why would you talk to a transperson 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.720 about trans health care? Like, that's why would you. Trans 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:53.919 people don't know anything. They need to be regulated and 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.879 told exactly what's best for them by people who have 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.919 never even talked to them before. She actually, while she 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:07.520 was writing it, she talked to Florida healthcare officials during 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:14.520 the Ron DeSantis instration for information on what to do. 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.040 Like and these officials, by the way, they weren't just 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.040 like leftovers from the prior governor. They were appointed by 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:26.840 Ron de Santis and have literally been Jews bidding and 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.000 restricting healthcare. 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.640 Yeah, appointed by the guy who in the last campaign 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.680 cycle had to fucking add with a son and rat 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:36.159 in it. So like, you know the level of Nazi 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.120 we're dealing with here, huh. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:43.400 And not only did she worked with them, but there's 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:48.520 even more. She worked with numerous people who were tied 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.919 to anti translate groups, most notable of which is the 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:58.560 quote Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine GOD. They are 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:02.320 probably one of the leading anti trans groups right now. 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.080 They are a Southern poverty law centered, desic hate group. 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.440 They're not very fun people. They all have a financial 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:12.560 interest in opposing transgender rights. Many of the people with 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.840 them have been quite paid to oppose transjunder rights in courts. 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:19.560 There's a whole rabbit hole to get into there. The 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.080 point being she's worked with hate groups, she's worked with 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:26.399 the Santa's appointees, she talked to no trans people, and 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:31.879 she of lied a lot. When the cast brew first 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.560 came out, I was one of the people who was 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.080 working around the clock to try to be like, hey, 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.960 let's not just assume that this is immediately accurate, because 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.200 we should wait for independent scholars to evaluate this. There's 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.160 a lot of shady stuff going on here, and why 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:49.399 didn't you know it? A lot of things were wrong 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.920 for starters. Ass misrepresented a lot of what she did 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.560 for the review. It was supposed to be a systematic 0:20:56.600 --> 0:21:00.520 review into all the literature and PUBI blockers is she 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.240 left out a bunch of studies, especially more recent ones 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:07.200 with that are elogies. She and her method degrade them. 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.240 Basically changed it up last minute and didn't seek your 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:15.320 review for it from her institutions review the board, which 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:18.719 she didn't speak any ethical verification on anything. 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.359 Yeah, which which is which is amazing. It's like, do 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.960 you know how fucked your report has to be and 0:21:24.000 --> 0:21:26.199 like your anti transferport has to be and not be 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:28.720 able to survive a British peer. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:35.600 Review board, like Jesus Christ. It's like yeah, like it's 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:39.320 it gets even worse because as time went on, a 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.600 lot of journalists myself included, found a bunch of little 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.080 pact rolling out seats there. She was misrepresenting this study. 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:49.040 She was misterpreenting that study. Lots of little information. It 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:53.679 was she at one point fighted a YouTube channel that 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:57.919 is dedicated to opposing trans rate than be the YouTube 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:02.320 channel in her fucking seconds. It was a tangential citation, 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.480 but the point being the fact that she even discovered 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:09.200 that shows her allegiances. She was in the cast review. 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.760 She was trying to cast doubt on the leading medical 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.800 association for trans people, the war Professional Association for Transgender Health. 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:20.720 She was like, oh no, they're actually not good. They're 0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:24.720 politically biased. I'm not though, don't worreayes. Don't investigate me. 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:26.280 Yeah. 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:30.440 And in the time since, there's been a shitt ton 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:34.000 of medical experts coming forward opposing the CAST Review, being like, no, 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.920 the methodology is garbage. Not just journalists saying it. There 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:41.280 have quite littlely been hundreds of metabirds who have come 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.160 forward to publicly oppose the CAST Review. These are people 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:51.320 across a variety of fields, psychiatrists, pediatrician, chronologists, basically everyone 0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.800 you could imagine who would be relevant to the study 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.199 of transcendor health and minors. They have come forward against it, 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:02.480 including most of the leading researchers in the field, including 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:06.439 people who have actually imporked with trans people in a 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:07.480 professional capacity. 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:08.240 Yeah. 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:14.000 Wow, and this review. It's the reason the United Kingdom 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:19.560 went on last year to ban puberty blockers in all 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:23.120 four countries within it. They started in England, then they 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.760 spread it out to Scotland, Wales with their beauty blocker ban, 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:31.280 and was recently right before New Year's they banned it 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:36.359 in Northern Ireland. And because of this, so many clinics 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:40.359 are now just not treating trans people, including transgender adults. 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.040 They're ing out transgender adults not getting the care they 0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:47.679 need because of something to even discuss trans adults in 0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:48.960 a meaningful capacity. 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:51.879 Yeah, And that's part of the thing with the Cash Review, right, 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:54.280