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Speaker 1: What is going on everybody? John middle Coop, that's me

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Speaker 1: three and Out Podcasts. That's the show back from Vegas

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Speaker 1: on this Monday afternoon. And I gotta tell you, Vegas

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Speaker 1: does not suck. Even when you're forced to wear masks,

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Speaker 1: it's still pretty fun. One. I guess I didn't. I

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm probably feeling like a five out of ten.

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Speaker 1: I was like, should I take a nap and maybe

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Speaker 1: record it later? I'm like, no, I just I got

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Speaker 1: here about an hour ago, like let's just do something.

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Speaker 1: So hey, I got my pen and I got my paper,

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Speaker 1: and I started thinking, like, let's do a different podcast today.

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Speaker 1: Let's go a little rapid fire, because there have been

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Speaker 1: so many stories over the last three or four days.

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Speaker 1: Just when I'd be like, you know, in Vegas, have

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Speaker 1: someone sucking or someone getting hurt, and I'm like, why

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Speaker 1: don't we just I wrote down about fifteen things and

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Speaker 1: and how it impacts you know, this upcoming season right

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Speaker 1: around the corner. Obviously, there's a couple of college football

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Speaker 1: things that are in the ether, and uh, we'll just

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Speaker 1: try to keep it, you know, we'll just keep it moving.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a there's a lot going on in

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Speaker 1: the league right now this weekend. It's crazy because no

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Speaker 1: preseason games. We're all just kind of falling the sport

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe someone like me attends a couple of practices,

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Speaker 1: It's felt weird. I mean, there's just there's just no

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Speaker 1: So I'm just glad the NFL is gonna be played. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that by the time you listen

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Speaker 1: to this next podcast will be a week away from

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Speaker 1: the season the Chiefs Texans, and then of course we'll

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Speaker 1: do a little middlecoff mail back at the end at

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Speaker 1: the John Middlecoff is the Instagram handle. So if you

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Speaker 1: guys got any questions how we interact with the people here,

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Speaker 1: Instagram comments. Also, for those of you that have I

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Speaker 1: I checked this morning, I saw a bunch of new

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Speaker 1: reviews and and in five star reviews. If you could

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Speaker 1: three out podcast on Apple, leave a review. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: it helps with business and it helps with the selling

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Speaker 1: let's start here. I would say the big news I

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Speaker 1: Adam Schefter, Leonard four Nette has been cut. And we'll

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Speaker 1: dive deep into the Jaguars here off the top, because

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Speaker 1: And it's pretty clear that Shot Khan, you know, David

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Speaker 1: But god, what what a what a dumpster fire franchise

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Speaker 1: just maintaining that edge and that that talent, right, I mean,

425
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: he is, he's red lining right now. Talent, He's he's

426
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: arguably the best offensive skill guy in all of college football. Well,

427
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 1: how do you maintain that working out on your own

428
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: like that? There's no way around it. Like that will

429
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 1: be a challenge. And I'm sure he'll he'll have a

430
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,719
Speaker 1: top flight agent. They'll get him with a top flight trainer.

431
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: But listen, we know training and playing football are not

432
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: the same. That they're just not. And that's why I

433
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: think we see all these injuries, which I'll get in

434
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: here in a little bit. Cooper Cups banged up right

435
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: now for the Rams again. I can't wait for that

436
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 1: Dallas Rams game Week one. Here's what I'll say about

437
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. I guess Sean McVeigh said today that it's

438
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: not a sprained ankle. He's very, very important to the

439
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: success of the l A. Rams. He had catches and

440
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns last year. You know, to me when I

441
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: watched him, there big issue. Their offense is gonna be fine.

442
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: Their their defense was had issues last year. But offensively,

443
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: he's Jared Gov's guy. I'm pretty sure they're very very

444
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: close off the field, and he is an elite slot receiver.

445
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a baller. Uh that this was

446
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: shitty news because if you watch hard knocks and if

447
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: you see the numbers, not many people are. I think

448
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: the episode three Hard Knocks is the least amount of

449
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: people that have ever watched Hard Knocks. Now. I don't

450
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: know if that counts someone like me who watched it.

451
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: I watched them on my iPad, so I don't know

452
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: if it counts streaming, but I've enjoyed it. Now. It's

453
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: not like some hard hitting Rex Ryan Bill O'Brien swear fest.

454
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: It's it's just an easy watch. But it's very star studded.

455
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: And I would say, beside Aaron Donald and Joey Bosa,

456
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: Derwin James like the best player in the two teams.

457
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: And you could argue and I if you knew, like

458
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn, you get him off the record or whatever,

459
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: and you said, who's the best player on your team,

460
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Speaker 1: It's not inconceivable that he said Derwin James. Now the

461
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: tangible what we know it would be Bosa. He's just

462
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: played way more. But it was pretty clear after year

463
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: one that Derwin James had a chance to be like

464
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: an al Teimer. And when I saw that he limped

465
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Speaker 1: off practice and they were hoping it was a hamstring,

466
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Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, you know it sucks. Maybe we'll miss

467
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: a week one or whatever. Within five six hours. It's

468
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: he tore his knee and now he's having surgery and

469
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: he's gonna miss a significant amount of time. That is.

470
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Speaker 1: And listen, they got they drafted I think Nelson naturally. Uh,

471
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: they have a stack secondary and they have a really

472
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: good defense. But when I remove one of your best

473
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: defensive players and your best player in your team, potentially

474
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: it's hard to recover. Sucks for the guy. Um, just

475
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: just a shitty situation. I mean, it's It's the one

476
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: thing I don't miss at all at all about being

477
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Speaker 1: just on a team at training camp, that moment when

478
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: you're just on the sideline your team gear, next your

479
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: GM or next to your other scouts or with the

480
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: coaches you know around the players, and you see a

481
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: guy go down and the whole thing goes silent, and honestly,

482
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: sometimes at least those you know like this is bad.

483
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: I actually miss even less because when a guy goes

484
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: down his carded off, you're like, that is awful, But

485
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: you just it's kind of part of the business. You

486
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: just shift what we need to sign someone, What do

487
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: we need to do when a guy limps off right

488
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: or it's like holding his shoulder. You just like, hopefully

489
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: it's nothing, because sometimes it's just nothing. Right, he goes

490
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: to the trainer, comes back to practice. Sometimes he goes

491
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Speaker 1: in and practice ends, and then it turns out, you know,

492
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: just to scare, he's gonna miss a couple of days.

493
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you go, well he tore his meniscus,

494
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: You're like, good, God, uh sucks. I mean, I just

495
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: that as a fan of elite players, I watched pro

496
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: sports for elite players. I watch baseball to watch Mike

497
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: Trout and Max Scherzer. I watched the NBA to watch

498
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: yan Us and Steph Curry and Kevin Durant. I watched

499
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: the NFL to watch you know, the bosses and the

500
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: Derwin James is. I'm not I'm not here to watch

501
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: over achievers. I want to see the best of the best.

502
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 1: That's that's what I like about pro sports. I don't

503
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: like average players. I want to watch the elite guys.

504
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: And when guys like Derwin James get hurt, we just

505
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: the sport loses out. Alvin Kamara, uh latest already, just

506
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: like I'm out. You know what am I doing here?

507
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: Pay me my money? I was actually we're at dinner.

508
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: Last night, we were talking about Jerry McGuire. Got me thinking,

509
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: show me the money, Jerry. Is that Alvin Kamara, which

510
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: I understand like unlike Leonard Fournett, Alvin Kamara is an

511
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Speaker 1: elite player. Now, I wonder if Sean Payton and I

512
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: don't know Sean. I don't know one with the Saints,

513
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: so I don't know exactly how they think besides just

514
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: following them on press conferences and over the years coaching

515
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: his team. But there might be a part of them

516
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: that goes listen, you guys didn't really know who Alvin

517
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: Kamara was until he got a hold of me. And

518
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: I'll find another album Kamara. That might be his mindset.

519
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: Because Alvin Kamara, if I was on his side, I'd

520
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: be like, well, Derrick Henry just got a huge cash.

521
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey got huge cash. Last year's Zeke got huge cash.

522
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm an elite player. I want huge cash and I'm

523
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: not playing this year for two million dollars and I'm

524
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: not playing Week one because that's his leverage. That's your

525
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: leverage as a football player when you're an elite player,

526
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: is to hold out a game. Hopefully you'll get a contract, right.

527
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: Unlike Levian Bellick. Here here's your fourteen million dollars. We're

528
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: not gonna give an extension, but here's your fourteen million dollars.

529
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: It's a lot different for Alvin, Like, here's your two Well,

530
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: what if I have a career ending injury for two

531
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: million dollars? I was a mid round pick and it's

532
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: just over now if you're the Saints. Also, if you're

533
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara, he's like, well, I just saw a guy

534
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: in my draft class, Michael Thomas. I guess Michael Thomas

535
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 1: was a year before him, got huge money last year.

536
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: Like you you take care of your core guys, You're

537
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: not gonna am I not one of your core guys

538
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: for the next four or five years. And it's a

539
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: complicated situation. I listen, I tend to be I'm a

540
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: sucker for good players, right, so I tend to be

541
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: never pay running backs. It's just an easy thing to say.

542
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: And then I get like Christian McCaffrey on my team,

543
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: or I get Alvin Kamara, It's like, wow, I kind

544
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: of like this guy, you know, but the money I

545
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara is probably not signing a contract for less

546
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: than forty two three four million dollars guaranteed He's not.

547
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: He wouldn't be cheap. Complicated situation. I mean, just I

548
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: guess a lot of this podcast is about injuries, but

549
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz missed a practice with the lower body injury.

550
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't have any inside information on it. My take

551
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: is I'm a Carson Wentz fan. I want to see

552
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz on the field. His talent is immense. And

553
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: what we saw down the stretch, and I know it

554
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: was against shitty teams, the Redskins, the Giants, the Cowboys,

555
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: and I think either the Redskins or Giants again, he

556
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: carried the team with a squad full of practice squaters

557
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: because I didn't think he played that well earlier in

558
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: the year, and he played so much better down the stretch.

559
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: And then you obviously got the concussion in practice. Listen,

560
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, how often do you see a quarterback in

561
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: camp a soft tissue injury. You know, It's like if

562
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: Lamar right pulls a hamstring or whatever, Like I get it.

563
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,239
Speaker 1: Lamar is a runner. Carson is really a pocket quarterback. Now.

564
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: He can run, but it's he's just a mobile pocket quarterback.

565
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: But his injuries, Like it's he's at the point now

566
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: whenever he goes down in a game, every single person

567
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: watching that games holding their breath. Is he gonna get up?

568
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: And he's just kind of that guy right now, like

569
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: he might be the new Roethlisberger. And I think Roethlisberger,

570
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: you know, I know people with the Ravens forever and

571
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: people in the league that he was kind of a

572
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: drama queen. I don't. I don't think Carson's drama queen

573
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: at all with this in the sense of, like he

574
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: gets hurt. He gets hurt right towards a c L

575
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: broke his back, he got a concussion, Like there's nothing

576
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: he just you can't come back in. It's not one

577
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: of those well he's got he tweaked his foot, you know,

578
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: like Carson's injury. And I'm not saying this might be nothing,

579
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: but it just it just shows you, man, he is

580
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: just he's a huge wild card, Like is he gonna

581
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: have and no one knows this. I mean, Howry Roseman,

582
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: Doug don't know this. Is he just gonna have a

583
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: successful next five six years of staying healthy, whereas it

584
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: gonna be one thing after another. You know that they

585
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: showed you like they had a backup plan. They drafted

586
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the second round. Now I'm not a

587
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: huge fan of that player and Jalen Hurts Oklahoma Alabama quarterback,

588
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: but they were and they won a super Bowl with

589
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: Nick Foles, So I mean, maybe they know more than me. Um,

590
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: but I know this, Jalen ain't Carson Wentz. I'll promise

591
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: you that they need if they're gonna be good and

592
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna make the playoffs, they need Carson Wentz to play.

593
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: Jalen Reagor, who everything I've read was having a great

594
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: training camp. Jalen hurts because Carson missed the practice. In

595
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: this scrimmage throws a pick. Dude running the back. Jalen

596
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: tries to take him out and hurts the shoulder making

597
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: a tackle, and I think, you know, you go, God,

598
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: just hit the ground. Well, don't even make a tackle.

599
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: It's just instincts, but not an ideal situation. So now

600
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: their first round wide receiver who was bawling gets hurt

601
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: in a practice. Not It's one thing, right, if you

602
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: go up to high point a ball or make a play,

603
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: you can tackle the weird you you it was because

604
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: you made a tackle right on an interception, which is

605
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: just it's gotta be a kick in the dick for

606
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: the you know, Doug and Howie. I mean that sucks.

607
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean there's but there's nothing you can do. You

608
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: just the Eagles, like the Niners, a lot of injuries

609
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: and you just you just kind of gotta pivot, right.

610
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing part of football, but it just

611
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: seems like those two teams get injured so much. Speaking

612
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: of the Niners, Fred Warner, who led the Niners and

613
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: tackles last year, who really is probably one of the

614
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: better players that's not that famous in the league. Uh,

615
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: He's just an all around three down linebacker. He can cover,

616
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: he can blitz. Uh, he's physical, he can run. He's

617
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: just a playmaker. I mean, I think Fred Warner's stud

618
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: and I mean I've watched every snap, but I thought

619
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: last year he became like damn and I just got

620
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: to pay this guy. I don't know if he got Corona. Uh.

621
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: I just saw Kyle Shanahan say today they put him

622
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: on the COVID list. The cop The quote I saw

623
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: was just it just shows you we're not out of

624
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: the woods with this stuff yet, in the sense of like,

625
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: these guys aren't guys are gonna test positive throughout the

626
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: year basically. But like if he just got Corona before

627
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals game, that'd be a big deal for

628
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: the Niners. Now it just based on the timeline, he

629
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: should be back, and I don't even know if he hasn't.

630
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: He might have just been around someone that had it.

631
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: But they're playing the Arizona Cardinals in Kyler Murray week one.

632
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: Fred Warner is like, you know, the they just need

633
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: that guy to tackle Kyler Murray. There's no way around it.

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Speaker 1: So that's, uh, that's something that you can monitor. The

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Speaker 1: Bears quarterback situation. I talked about this on my other

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Speaker 1: podcast yesterday Haybraman Middlecoff. Check out that podcast as well.

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Speaker 1: That my original take on the situation. And I heard

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Speaker 1: Michael Lombardi say this and I kind of agreed, like,

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Speaker 1: and I don't have any inside information. I haven't bothered

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Speaker 1: any of these guys with who's looking good at camp.

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Speaker 1: I really don't even care, you know, just when the

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Speaker 1: game comes, I'll watch. I'm not a reporter. I'm not

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Speaker 1: looking to like break who's gonna be the starting quarterback? Uh?

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Speaker 1: That I would go with Mitch Drabinsky if if all

645
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Speaker 1: things are equal, because if you don't go with Mitch,

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Speaker 1: you can't name Folds the quarterback and then go back

647
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Speaker 1: to Mitch. And then the more I thought about it,

648
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, who gives a crap? I

649
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: watched Mitch last year. He's stunk the players in that

650
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Speaker 1: locker room. No, Mitch stunk. Now, Mitch is well liked.

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Speaker 1: He's a high character guy. And it's not like they're

652
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: they're rooting for Mitch his teammates, but they also want

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Speaker 1: to win. So nick Foles. I thought about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: If Nick Foles was the Chiefs quarterback, if he was

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Speaker 1: the Saints quarterback, or he was Kyle Shanahan's quarterback, he

656
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't be like Mames, but they would compete to make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. I could not say the same with Mr Biski.

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00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: They would have he stinks. So why not just named

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles the quarterback? And I don't love Nick Foles,

660
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Speaker 1: but you got a good defense, you got some players

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Speaker 1: on offense. Just go with Nick Foles. You know what, Mitch,

662
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Speaker 1: you made this bed. Now you're the backup. And if

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Speaker 1: Nick gets injured, which he has in the past. Be ready,

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Speaker 1: stay locked in. You were the second pick in the draft.

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00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 1: We're paying you a lot of money. It's not gonna

666
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: need to worry like they don't study any less, don't

667
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: work any less hard. This is the pro football. Be

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00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: a pro. But Nick Foles are shorting quarterback? If all

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Speaker 1: things are equal to me, it's I've I've come around.

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Speaker 1: No brainer. Just make Nick Foles week one the starting

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Speaker 1: quarterback for the Bears. And again no inside information. Haven't

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Speaker 1: talked to a soul there. Uh involved in this decision.

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Speaker 1: I my educated guests would be Nick Foles will be

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Speaker 1: named the starting quarterback. Uh. Belichick. I have seen more

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Speaker 1: quotes from Belichick on Cam Newton of just how much

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Speaker 1: he likes the guy and how hard he's working and

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Speaker 1: how impressed he has been. And they started thinking, like,

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Speaker 1: of course he likes him. Do you know what Belichick

679
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: likes Guys that like football, Guys that work hard. It's

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Speaker 1: not and clearly Cam has a lot of talent. It's

681
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Speaker 1: not that hard to impress football coaches. You know, the

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00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: guys that passed football coaches off, Guys that don't know

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Speaker 1: what they're doing, guys that show up late, guys that

684
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Speaker 1: don't really care about football. And here's I try to

685
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Speaker 1: just try to put yourself in Cam Newton's situation. If

686
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Speaker 1: you were kind of on top of the world, you know,

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Speaker 1: for four or five years, right, drafted one, resurrect the franchise,

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Speaker 1: become a Pro Bowl level player and make a bunch

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Speaker 1: of money, and you know you're one of the more

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Speaker 1: famous guys in the league at whatever your profession is.

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Speaker 1: And then you have a two year run where it's

692
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: just a bunch of people are talking shit. Everyone thinks

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00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: you're not that good at your job. You get fired,

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00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't you come back guns blazing and have the biggest

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00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: chip on your shoulder to show every person listen, I'm guilty.

696
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm raising my hand that said this guy is just

697
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: it's over for Cam Newton that it's on and get ready,

698
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: and then you get to link up with I don't know,

699
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: the greatest coach ever, right, Like, okay, let's let's see

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Speaker 1: what you got. Imagine if like you were some product

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Speaker 1: designer in electronics and you got fired and all of

702
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: a sudden, you get a phone call and it's Tim Cook.

703
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: He's like, listen the iPhone Apple. It's kind of stalled.

704
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: We need a new product. Can you come here and

705
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: work on a new product? Force and you don't have

706
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Speaker 1: a job. You're like, I'm in Cam Newton. No one

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Speaker 1: would hire of the guy. Belichick paid him five hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. He's gonna be the Patriots starting quarterback. I listen,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how good Cam Newton, you know, is

710
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Speaker 1: gonna be just how talent, how much talent is around them?

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00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: Like who's there? I guess to kill Harry. I'm anne

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Speaker 1: kill Harry, Guy Edelman. You have this Gunner character that

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Speaker 1: I can't stop reading about on my Twitter. Timeline went

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Speaker 1: from talking about Tom Brady, Gronk and Belichick. The gunner

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Speaker 1: that's at the number one story in Pat's Camp Gunner,

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Speaker 1: which is a good story, you know, D two corner

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Speaker 1: practice squad guy now like the next Edelman or Welker.

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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm actually excited to watch watch camp and

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's that'll do it for my I miss

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Speaker 1: anything rapid fire. I thought we just mix it up

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Speaker 1: a little bit today and just just bang, bang, just

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Speaker 1: just fire through some stuff. It felt like a lot

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Speaker 1: happened this week. Okay, let's dive in Middlecoff mail bag

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Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff Instagram. Your segment of the show, the

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Speaker 1: people's segment, And I'll start with Kevin. Why isn't that

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Speaker 1: some NFL franchises are consistently bad forever? Jaguars, Browns, Lions

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00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: have had numerous GMS coaches and quarterbacks, but nothing changes.

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Speaker 1: Enlighten me, John, What do we always say about football?

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Speaker 1: It's a coaching league, right? Baseball all about the GM.

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Speaker 1: They set the lineups now, they do everything. They get

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Speaker 1: paid more than managers. Basketball players league. I mean the

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Speaker 1: players are in full control. Football coaches are on the show.

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Speaker 1: They picked the players most of the time. Some GMS do.

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Speaker 1: They definitely cut the players and they have an enormous

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Speaker 1: impact Monday through Saturday and then Sunday. Is why they

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Speaker 1: make eleven twelve million dollars. There's a reason Nick Saban,

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Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney, Urban Meyer, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: I mean these guys that Belichick, your coach really matters.

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Speaker 1: When I just say the Jaguars, Browns and Lions, who's

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Speaker 1: the best coach? All three of those franchises have had

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Speaker 1: the last two decades combined, who's the best coach the

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Speaker 1: Browns have had in my adult life. I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: They all suck. They just hired Freddie Kitchens. The Lions

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Speaker 1: have Matt Patricia as their head coach. The Jaguars, I

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Speaker 1: mean Doug Maron. Honestly, the guy is probably Jack del

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Speaker 1: Rio of that whole group. Think about that. In the

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Speaker 1: last twenty years, Lions to be Jack del Rio or

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Speaker 1: Jim Caldwell, those would be the best coaches. And honestly,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the relative to Marone and Patricia,

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Speaker 1: like Jack del Rio made playoffs multiple times with the Jacks,

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs with the Raiders, better than these guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's a coaching elite. You have

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Speaker 1: to hire good coaches. These teams have hired tire Will

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Speaker 1: coach U. I mean awful, just god awful. It's a

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Speaker 1: place for just these Matt Patricians to make millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: It's it's crazy. Giants signed Logan Ryan big fan of it,

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Speaker 1: especially with a crappy Baker situation. Uh could I get

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Speaker 1: your thoughts? Yeah, I mean it's just I don't think

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Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna be very good. I don't like

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Speaker 1: their roster at all. I think they're the worst team

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Speaker 1: in that division. I would expect them to circle the drain.

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Speaker 1: But you know, DeAndre Baker an absolute disaster pick by

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettlman had major red flags coming out of college.

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Speaker 1: Clearly that there's some I always struggle with. I say

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Speaker 1: it all the time. I'm not a legal analyst. I

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Speaker 1: didn't go to law school. You know, being charged and

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00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: committing a crime and you know they're not. There's some

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's not easy to navigate some of

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Speaker 1: these situations because we've seen it countless times where the

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Speaker 1: stories come out. And I saw it with first out

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Speaker 1: with Ruben Foster. He got charged three different things and

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Speaker 1: it was like he never did it. But it's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear something's with this guy. His home teammates didn't like him.

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Speaker 1: Joe Judge clearly hates him. Hasn't. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: made him. Uh and yeah, so you got a starting corner.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I mean, I haven't like dove into

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Speaker 1: Logan Ryan tape in a long time. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not like they didn't just sign Jalen Ramsey, um, but

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Speaker 1: it's better than what they have, so I can't no,

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Speaker 1: issue with the with the signing. Huge fan of the pot.

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you about what defines a

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Speaker 1: quarterback prospect. A big argument is now Trevor Lawrence is

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Speaker 1: a better prospect than Joe Burrow, which I understand, But

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Speaker 1: if you had to place athleticism and arm strength over

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Speaker 1: football like you and awareness, where would that get you?

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Speaker 1: For instance? For instance, I was not high on Cam

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Speaker 1: Newton because accuracy concerns, but some people were. If Cam

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Speaker 1: Newton was a prospect the same year as r G three,

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Speaker 1: I take RG three. I would even take Sam Donald

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Speaker 1: over Cam as a quarterback prospect if they happen to

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Speaker 1: have come out in the same year. I know this

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Speaker 1: question is a lot to digest, but just trying to

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Speaker 1: find clarity on the difference. Thank you for your time. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'd say this for Cam Newton when he walks in

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Speaker 1: a room. He's six ft six, two fifty pounds. He

796
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Speaker 1: obviously wasn't as fast as r G three, but I

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Speaker 1: would have taken Cam Newton over r G three. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't even hesitate now, and RG three was a really,

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Speaker 1: really good prospect. When you think quarterback prospects, physical attributes matter.

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Speaker 1: How big you are how strong your arm is, obviously

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Speaker 1: how talented you are. Accuracy, you know, I think it matters,

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Speaker 1: but the numbers now in two thousand twenty are kind

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Speaker 1: of inflated. Cam to me has just I mean, he

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Speaker 1: could throw at five yards. Cam Newton is like an

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Speaker 1: athletic coming out of college. You know. Part of the

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Speaker 1: reason JaMarcus Russell was such a big time prospect because

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Speaker 1: he had this huge arm. Now out he didn't have

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Speaker 1: the work ethic. He also couldn't move, Like even if

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Speaker 1: Cam's accuracy always would have screwed him. Cam was so

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Speaker 1: elite as a human being, as an athlete that he

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Speaker 1: brought immediate value. And then he had moments and he

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Speaker 1: does have moments where he can complete passes. Obviously, he's

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Speaker 1: made countless Pro Bowls and he want an m v

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Speaker 1: P now. He's definitely his accuracy has also been a

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Speaker 1: reason why he can play really shitty. But like Cam

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Speaker 1: as a prospect is elite to me, Joe Burrow is

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Speaker 1: not elite because his arm is just probably solid, you know,

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Speaker 1: and he's a really really he's a he's a first

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Speaker 1: he's a number one overall prospect. But if you go

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Speaker 1: like coming out of college, Carson Palmer or Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Like Carson Palmer was a better prospect, bigger, stronger, better arm. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Now in two thousand twenty, mobility matters. So you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously in the mid two thousands or early two thousands,

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Speaker 1: Carson would have been a better or prospect, then what

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Speaker 1: would we view him the same. That's where Sam Donalds

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Speaker 1: kind of comes into play. Now Sam needs to play better.

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Speaker 1: It's why Baker would not be viewed as an elite prospect.

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Speaker 1: I mean six ft tall. Like, just go to an

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Speaker 1: NFL practice. See how big these humans are. I mean

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Speaker 1: they're They're massive. I mean it's just this is this

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Speaker 1: is not a little man's sport at quarterback. Now, if Kyler,

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Speaker 1: Murray and Baker proved, maybe the game has changed. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm holding on to old you know, thought processes. I'd

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Speaker 1: say Trevor Lawrence. I mean just I've never met the kid,

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Speaker 1: but just watched him on TV. He looks six ft

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Speaker 1: four or six ft five. He's got a huge arm,

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Speaker 1: he can run. Uh, he's played at an elite level.

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Speaker 1: He's one. I think the knock on Joe Burrow a

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Speaker 1: little bit is just well, his surrounding cast doesn't get

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Speaker 1: any better. And that was like the knock on Matt Liner.

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Speaker 1: Now it's clear Joe Burrow was a better player than

842
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: Matt Liner, but you'd go, well, he played with Justin Jefferson,

843
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: first round pick who the Minnesota Vikings traded step On

844
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: Dicks and basically just use that pick at him. He

845
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: played with a running back who arguably the best offensive

846
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: coach in the league, and Brett Veach decided to draft

847
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: in the first round. His otherwide receiver just opted out

848
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: of the season because he's like, you know, I'm so

849
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: freaking good, I don't even need to play. And he's

850
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: not wrong. His talent around him was It's arguably one

851
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: of the most talented offenses we've ever seen. And he

852
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: does throw a lot of balls. Some of the jump

853
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: balls now he's really accurate. I like Joe Burrow. I'm

854
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: not trying to you know, diminished Joe Burrow. He's only

855
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: done it one year. To me, part of like I

856
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: like to see guys do it a little bit longer.

857
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: He wasn't an elite recruit like Cam was an enormous recruit.

858
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: Obviously ended up at Auburn because he got kicked out

859
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: of Florida. But he went to Florida and like the peak,

860
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: that's who Urban looking at urban urban Meyer recruits. Now

861
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: you're right, Urban Meyer got Joe Burrow too, But remember

862
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow was a little bit lighter of a recruit,

863
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: couldn't beat out Dwayne Haskins. Now Dwayne Haskins ends up

864
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: getting drafted the first round. I mean, I'm nitpicking here.

865
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: We're talking about a bunch of guys getting drafted in

866
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: the first round. And I think if you talked to

867
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: ten different people in the league, you'll get ten different things.

868
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: I know when I look at it, when I think

869
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: elite prospects, I think size, arm strength, in two thousand

870
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: twenty mobility. Uh it's why to a you know, had

871
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: been injured, he's smaller, he wouldn't call hi an elite prospect. Actually,

872
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: justin herbert Um, you could argue, is his motions a

873
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: little robotic, But in terms of size, arm strength, athleticism,

874
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of you know, elite attributes. This

875
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: is It's what makes it challenging that there's not like

876
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: there's a right way to like build up you know,

877
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: a thirty story building right there. There are certain things

878
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: I would imagine for those of you that are in

879
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: the construction business that like you can't avoid when building

880
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: a a massive building in a big city, Like there

881
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: are just basic things you're gonna do every time when

882
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm drafting a quarterback like John Schnyder, like Russell Wilson,

883
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: John Dorsey liked Baker Mayfield, Andy and Veach loved Mahmes. Uh,

884
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, Kyle Shanahan loved Kirk Cousins, right, I mean Belichick, Well,

885
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out this year. But you just

886
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: go around the league, like, you know, uh, look at

887
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: who Sean Payton likes obviously Drew Brees, but then he's

888
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: I can love with this, Taysom Hill. Nobody also like

889
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. So I just think all these guys look

890
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: at it a little differently. Uh. And it's where when

891
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: you're talking like Trevor Lawrence and Joe Brow, who knows,

892
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: maybe Joe Burrow turns out to be a better player.

893
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: And at quarterback you are dependent on other people, like

894
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: you're head coach and the skill around you and your

895
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: offensive line, so you can't do it. It's not like

896
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 1: basketball where you just go Anthony Davis is an elite

897
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: player or Kevin Duranson e league player. They can do

898
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: a lot of damage on their own at quarterback, Like

899
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: you can only do so much damage on your own,

900
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: Like you need the wide receiver to get open, you

901
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: need the coach to called some solid place, right. It's

902
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: just it really is. It's cheesy as it sounds like

903
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: the ultimate team game. Hey, John loved the podcast. I'm

904
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: a die hard Panthers fan. A lot of people are

905
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: counting the Panthers out this year, but I think they

906
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: will be sneaky good. Do you think Rule and Brady

907
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: are the right men for the job? Barth Both are

908
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: out to prove they can make it in this league.

909
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough division, but I think the Panthers

910
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: are gonna turn some heads thoughts. Thanks for entertaining work.

911
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: Appreciated hashtag keep pounding. Uh. I don't think they're gonna

912
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: be very good. I I just really don't. Now, they

913
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: do have some skill guys that are talented, right. McCaffrey

914
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: is an elite bawler. Uh. DJ Moore the guy from

915
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 1: Maryland can fly. Teddy is just to me, he's just

916
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, like I can. Teddy It's one thing

917
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: when you're playing on the Saints, another thing when you're

918
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: playing on the Panthers. Matt Rule has never been a

919
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: head coaching in the NFL. Like that is a pretty

920
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: big transition. Joe Brady was a quality control guy two

921
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: years ago. Like that is a massive, massive transition. They

922
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: might be good in a couple of years. I think

923
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: this year is gonna be some growing pains. I'd expect

924
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: them to win like five games, and there's nothing wrong

925
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: with that. Like, I think they can win five games

926
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: and make some progress. I get your bullush. That's why

927
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: we're fans, right, That's why we were for our teams. Uh,

928
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: to me my lock right now? Just looking at Week

929
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: one of Week one is probably the Raiders might just

930
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: one and a half. Last I saw I was one

931
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: and a half. Might be one at Carolina, you know,

932
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: ten am kickoff? No fans, I think, no fans. Maybe

933
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: you guys have fans. I don't know, but I I

934
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: to me, the Raiders of all the games I've seen

935
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: week once, the games that I'm gonna put some money on,

936
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna be that game. Will the Titans pull the

937
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: trigger on Clowney? Or is that dead? Question for the

938
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: pod Love the show. I was I flew out a

939
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: Sacramento and I was driving driving back to the Bay

940
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: Area from Vegas, and I was thinking about this, if

941
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: I was a GM after all these trades and all

942
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: these players, like everyone's been at training camp for the month,

943
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: do you know what trouble me about Clowney? Like do

944
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: you really like football that much? Like it's say, this

945
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: the last hold out we had that went all year.

946
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: Levian bell I disagreed, and I think he's been proven

947
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: he was wrong. But I understood what he was fighting for.

948
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't understand what clown is fighting for. It's like, Bro,

949
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: you've already made fifty million. The market is your market?

950
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: You were you were getting off for twelve to fifteen

951
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: million dollars. Do you not want to play football? Like,

952
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: don't tell me you're making some principal decision on money.

953
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: You are. You were the number one pick in the

954
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: draft and you just played your fifth year option. You've

955
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: made a huge cash. Do you want to play football

956
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: or not? Because right now it kind of feels like

957
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: Javian Clowny want to play football, kind of feels like

958
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: he's in different kind of like just play you watch

959
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: him on Monday Night football against the Niners, best player

960
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: in the field. You watch him on one of the

961
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: random morning games against the Browns when he's on Seattle,

962
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: like it gonna even care. And that's kind of how

963
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: it feels like his career is going. And if I'm

964
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: Mike Raybel, for example, and I got a team I'm

965
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: trying to get back to the playoffs, I'm trying to

966
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: get guys that are all in is clowney and all

967
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: in guy. Because when I think all in guys like

968
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: I think Tom Brady, I think Drew Brees, I think J. J. Watt,

969
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think Richard Sherman, I don't think Jadeveon Clowney.

970
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: And when I gotta pay big money, I like my

971
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: guys to be all in. If if if you'll play

972
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: like I'd take him tomorrow. If I was any team

973
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: for like five million bucks, one't even hesitated. But if

974
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: I gotta pay it twelve to fifteen million dollars, I

975
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: need to know that you love football, and I just

976
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm sitting my vantage point. I'd

977
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: have to question that at this point, I really would.

978
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: And it's it's sad because he should have to me

979
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: his career is gonna be a little, a little no

980
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: dominant sue, but at least the dominan sue signed a

981
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: contract right when he went to the Dolphins. Like, is

982
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: this guy just gonna not play this season? I I

983
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: don't get it, I really don't. I was thinking weirdly

984
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: about that questions I was thinking about that today, Like

985
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: what's he doing? With the increasing growth of the NFL,

986
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: do you see over the next few years a new

987
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: franchise being created? And if so, where do you think

988
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: that would be? I don't. I think they'll just move teams.

989
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: They got in the l A market. Being in Vegas,

990
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great place. I mean, listen, I

991
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: wanted the Raiders to say selfishly, I have a lot

992
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: of friends that are Raider fans in this northern California.

993
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: I was lucky to have two NFL teams in my backyard,

994
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: even though the last several years of Raiders like wouldn't

995
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: allow me at practices or anything. We weren't exactly on

996
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: the best terms, but like, uh, I enjoyed having two teams. Listen,

997
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: I Mark Davis had no money, got to Vegas. Makes

998
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: sense the places the stadium. Drove by it today on

999
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: the way to the airport. Looks fucking awesome. Uh, it's

1000
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: just Vegas is a sweet place. Anyone listening to spend

1001
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: their nose like baby Vegas is cool. I think that's

1002
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: Jaguars will eventually move to London. And I think you

1003
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: got the team's l a like, name me a big

1004
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: market were the league's not in? I said, we're like,

1005
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm Roger Goodell. But the Bay l A, Seattle, Chicago,

1006
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: New York, Boston, Philly, d C, Dallas, Houston, Minnesota, you know,

1007
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean just got the tempi, the whole country covered, Charlotte, Atlanta,

1008
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I just I don't see where the league's

1009
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: missing now in Vegas. I think the league's got all

1010
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 1: the sweet cities covered. I would say, no. Now, money

1011
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: talks ship walks. So if knew they need two teams

1012
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: because you have to have even numbers. I guess if

1013
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: two owners wanted to pay you know, four billion for

1014
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: a franchise and it got divvied around to the owners,

1015
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they'd never turned it down. I just I

1016
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: don't know the city east they would make sense. You know,

1017
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: college football has kind of a stranglehold on a lot

1018
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: of other smaller cities around the country. Right, I think

1019
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: the league is just perfectly set up. They're just in

1020
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: the right cities. Jacksonville is the one that doesn't really

1021
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: make sense. But I don't think they'll be there that long.

1022
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: I think eventually it's pretty clear they're gonna go across

1023
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: the pond and it'll be Shod Khan in the Jacksonville

1024
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: Jaguars that that eventually make that move. Uh, honestly, I'm

1025
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: looking at fifty five minutes completely completely honest. About two

1026
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: hours ago, I'm like, I don't know, Like I'm just

1027
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: not feeling great. How am I gonna put together a podcast?

1028
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: And then I just mentally, I'm just like, come on, John,

1029
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: let's let's get our mind right. And now five minutes later,

1030
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: we put together a podcast. So that's how we do

1031
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: it here with the three and Out team of me

1032
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: and myself. But but I did it. I motivated myself

1033
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: and uh we we got together a show for the

1034
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: week and we're, you know, less than two weeks away

1035
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: from the National Football League being played, So I appreciate it.

1036
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Speaker 1: Have a great week again. Go to three Out cast

1037
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: on Apple and iTunes. Subscribe to the pod, like uh,

1038
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: leave likes and reviews and all that stuff. I greatly

1039
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: appreciate everyone listening, Thank you all your funny d M

1040
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: you guys shooting me about other stuff, and uh, we'll

1041
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Speaker 1: be back a little late this week. Peace. M