WEBVTT - Lots to Say: 3x Super Bowl Champion Devin McCourty 0:00:05.496 --> 0:00:07.696 Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is 0:00:07.736 --> 0:00:10.656 a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts. 0:00:12.096 --> 0:00:16.896 We got Lost, Just say we got lost? 0:00:17.336 --> 0:00:18.136 Just say. 0:00:20.616 --> 0:00:24.136 What a fat here? And we hope you say because. 0:00:23.816 --> 0:00:24.616 We got lost? 0:00:24.936 --> 0:00:32.696 Just say, yeah, we got lost. Just say here's Bobby that. 0:00:34.296 --> 0:00:38.455 They welcome to the show. That's my cashle. I'm Bobby Bones. 0:00:38.976 --> 0:00:41.855 What was that voice? I don't. I don't have to. 0:00:42.216 --> 0:00:44.295 I don't, I don't. I don't put anything in my hair. 0:00:44.336 --> 0:00:46.535 I don't purm my hair. Hair looks great, though I 0:00:46.535 --> 0:00:50.135 don't get something. But the question was, what do you 0:00:50.135 --> 0:00:50.736 do to your hair? 0:00:50.976 --> 0:00:52.936 I don't do anything, But do you have somebody to 0:00:52.936 --> 0:00:55.176 come over and trimle the tips or whatever they do 0:00:55.416 --> 0:00:56.656 when you get long hair? 0:00:57.176 --> 0:01:01.696 So I have actually never, at least in the past 0:01:01.696 --> 0:01:03.416 twenty years twenty five years, fixed my hair. 0:01:04.456 --> 0:01:06.056 What do you mean you've never fixed your hair? You've 0:01:06.056 --> 0:01:06.856 definitely got a new hair. 0:01:06.936 --> 0:01:09.856 I guess my fingers. But there are only two ways 0:01:09.896 --> 0:01:13.336 my hair ever gets fixed. One when I was doing 0:01:13.376 --> 0:01:15.176 a lot of television. 0:01:15.016 --> 0:01:17.336 Right, somebody's gonna, you know, get in there. And I 0:01:17.376 --> 0:01:18.816 mean I had a hair spray. 0:01:19.296 --> 0:01:21.336 It traveled with me at a stylist that traveled with 0:01:21.376 --> 0:01:23.935 me your hair makeup erst supply one for those big 0:01:23.976 --> 0:01:25.016 trips they do. 0:01:25.256 --> 0:01:28.256 But you want the comfort level. Yeah, well, like I 0:01:28.296 --> 0:01:29.296 had a person like that. 0:01:29.296 --> 0:01:32.256 I kept on it's important to have my own people, right, 0:01:32.296 --> 0:01:34.056 you know me, I rolled to with all my own people. 0:01:34.056 --> 0:01:37.215 All yeah, seriously, yeah, that's I have a circle. 0:01:37.456 --> 0:01:39.136 Yes, that's that, and I want to make sure that 0:01:39.896 --> 0:01:42.736 so otherwise, I never fixed my hair. So I started 0:01:42.776 --> 0:01:44.656 to grow my hair out, and not not to grow 0:01:44.656 --> 0:01:46.816 it out on purpose, but our daughter's hair is funny 0:01:46.856 --> 0:01:48.376 and it's long, and she thinks it's funny that my 0:01:48.416 --> 0:01:51.696 hair is long and so solidarity, and so I don't 0:01:51.736 --> 0:01:52.576 know how to fix my hair. 0:01:52.976 --> 0:01:55.496 So this is just there's nothing to fix because you've 0:01:55.496 --> 0:01:56.256 got great flow. 0:01:56.216 --> 0:01:59.616 Some days if it if it gets humid, though, like 0:01:59.696 --> 0:02:00.576 I finally get it. 0:02:00.576 --> 0:02:03.176 It's like, m well, it's. 0:02:03.016 --> 0:02:05.176 Better than having your kids walk up behind you when 0:02:05.176 --> 0:02:06.696 you the hat off. Half the time to be like 0:02:06.816 --> 0:02:09.095 do I see your bold spot? See your bolt? 0:02:10.576 --> 0:02:12.895 Was like, save it. It's not that bad. It might 0:02:12.936 --> 0:02:15.056 be sure on camera. I don't think of you as 0:02:15.056 --> 0:02:15.856 a bald spot guy. 0:02:15.936 --> 0:02:18.256 Yeah, well I've got something and look, I know you 0:02:18.776 --> 0:02:19.416 you bring it up. 0:02:19.536 --> 0:02:21.296 Yeah, but I don't think he was a bald spot guy. 0:02:21.336 --> 0:02:23.936 I appreciate that. I mean, well, that's because I've got, like, 0:02:24.016 --> 0:02:25.136 you know, the spray paint, and I. 0:02:25.136 --> 0:02:28.456 Just old school and no shame in that shaming that 0:02:28.576 --> 0:02:31.056 no shaming that Von Miller was gonna play for the Cowboys. 0:02:31.336 --> 0:02:34.096 Yeah. Do you know he had nine sacks last year? 0:02:35.096 --> 0:02:38.536 I did not until I read it. I just saw 0:02:38.536 --> 0:02:40.096 it in that story. You may have known that already. 0:02:40.096 --> 0:02:41.376 I dinner with Von super Bowl. 0:02:41.616 --> 0:02:45.856 Oh did you really? Why what do you mean same agent, 0:02:46.216 --> 0:02:49.136 like agent type association? Are you buddies? Like do you 0:02:49.176 --> 0:02:52.096 guys talk about the Gmail and all this stuff? I 0:02:52.096 --> 0:02:55.416 was gonna say, we literally the same agent. And so 0:02:56.296 --> 0:02:57.936 that by the way, I was at the Super Bowl 0:02:57.976 --> 0:03:00.336 and I didn't get invited that dinner at all. How 0:03:00.336 --> 0:03:01.376 many people were at the dinner? 0:03:01.936 --> 0:03:07.216 Me, my agent, my agent, partner, agent Vaughn, and Vaughn's 0:03:07.256 --> 0:03:11.496 guy like Vin's media guy, like he's the best. And 0:03:11.576 --> 0:03:15.016 so he went on Dancing with the Stars and so 0:03:15.056 --> 0:03:17.176 he tried he did that show. 0:03:17.376 --> 0:03:18.136 He did the show. 0:03:18.216 --> 0:03:20.456 Yeah, and it's amazing how many people come on this show. 0:03:20.576 --> 0:03:23.816 I'm telling you that are involved or have been on 0:03:23.856 --> 0:03:25.696 that show with Dancing with the Stars, and you have 0:03:25.776 --> 0:03:28.656 this immediate connection and you have the trump card that 0:03:28.696 --> 0:03:29.616 you actually won the show. 0:03:29.696 --> 0:03:33.056 So with Vaughn, they had told him that I was 0:03:33.096 --> 0:03:36.016 on it. And also it's it's like text A and 0:03:36.136 --> 0:03:38.376 m von Miller. This is like von Miller, like Denver Bronco. 0:03:38.576 --> 0:03:40.976 This is like super I mean this, this is Vin's 0:03:41.016 --> 0:03:43.696 like a real deal NFL player, like a winner. And 0:03:43.776 --> 0:03:46.896 so we're sitting and and his media guy sitting to 0:03:46.936 --> 0:03:48.256 the right of me, and Vonn's sitting at the left, 0:03:48.256 --> 0:03:50.096 and he goes, you should talk to von about Dancing 0:03:50.096 --> 0:03:52.696 with the Stars. And I said, I don't know. I'm 0:03:52.736 --> 0:03:54.936 not going to bring it up like we're at super Bowl, 0:03:55.016 --> 0:03:57.936 and he goes, no, nobody ever talks about it with them. Yeah, 0:03:58.096 --> 0:03:59.696 he wants to talk. I'm telling you, he wants to 0:03:59.696 --> 0:04:01.296 talk about it. And so I said, hey, man, we 0:04:01.336 --> 0:04:04.376 had dance Stars. He's like yeah, he said you were 0:04:04.416 --> 0:04:04.776 on it too. 0:04:04.856 --> 0:04:05.056 Yeah. 0:04:05.576 --> 0:04:07.336 We talked for like twenty minutes, like he was just 0:04:08.456 --> 0:04:10.176 he was so happy to have somebody to talk about 0:04:10.176 --> 0:04:10.416 it with. 0:04:10.496 --> 0:04:11.216 It understood it. 0:04:11.296 --> 0:04:13.536 Yeah, he said, I do a lot of hard things physically, 0:04:13.616 --> 0:04:15.976 but because of what that was how long we had 0:04:16.015 --> 0:04:16.776 to do it and how new it was. 0:04:16.856 --> 0:04:18.176 He goes, That's one of the hardest things I've ever 0:04:18.216 --> 0:04:18.536 had to do. 0:04:18.776 --> 0:04:21.135 So we're going on and on and I think he 0:04:21.176 --> 0:04:23.255 finished like fourth or fifth or something in this season, 0:04:23.575 --> 0:04:25.695 and he goes, yeah, so I felt I get did 0:04:25.775 --> 0:04:27.336 pretty good. Where'd you finish? 0:04:27.695 --> 0:04:31.536 Oh? He had no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea. 0:04:31.736 --> 0:04:34.255 I said, did pretty good. I sid did pretty good. 0:04:34.575 --> 0:04:36.695 He said, you know, I didn't think I got much 0:04:36.736 --> 0:04:38.496 of a chance, and he goes, yeah. He goes, I 0:04:38.536 --> 0:04:41.135 didn't either. And then he when I said did pretty good, 0:04:41.176 --> 0:04:42.936 I think he thought I didn't want to say where 0:04:42.936 --> 0:04:43.376 I finished. 0:04:43.655 --> 0:04:45.936 And I said, yeah, I won. He goes, you did what. 0:04:47.976 --> 0:04:51.215 I said, Yeah, I won. So really nice guy. But 0:04:51.255 --> 0:04:53.815 I was talking to him about just getting older. Yeah, 0:04:54.335 --> 0:04:57.936 and I said, because I think he was the Redskins 0:04:58.015 --> 0:05:01.496 like the Commanders recently, right, I know I still make 0:05:01.496 --> 0:05:04.295 the sin. He was just going, so this is before 0:05:04.376 --> 0:05:09.616 he maybe went over all right, huh, No, I guess 0:05:09.616 --> 0:05:11.536 i'd have been. He played the season with them that year, right, 0:05:11.655 --> 0:05:14.335 the Cleanders last yer. Yeah, yeah, And I was like, 0:05:14.695 --> 0:05:16.296 how is the speed of the game. He goes, well, 0:05:17.296 --> 0:05:19.575 I would say, the speed of the game's faster, and 0:05:19.616 --> 0:05:21.936 I said, then when you started, he goes, yeah, he goes. 0:05:21.976 --> 0:05:23.216 But then I had a coach tell me, no, I'm 0:05:23.215 --> 0:05:25.656 just getting slower, and he goes. I tend to think 0:05:25.655 --> 0:05:27.695 that's what it is. It's the Father of Time nine. 0:05:27.815 --> 0:05:30.135 He's the best of all these guys, and it was. 0:05:30.215 --> 0:05:32.575 It's crazy because Vaughn was one of the most disruptive 0:05:32.616 --> 0:05:35.775 pass rushers. I mean throughout his career. Even now he saw, 0:05:35.976 --> 0:05:38.056 like I said, nine sacks last year, so he can 0:05:38.096 --> 0:05:38.496 still go. 0:05:38.575 --> 0:05:39.496 But you can. 0:05:39.936 --> 0:05:42.936 It definitely wears on you, like especially at those positions 0:05:43.176 --> 0:05:46.255 when you're a bookend where you're known as a speed 0:05:46.296 --> 0:05:50.695 pass rusher, that eventually it's just a step step slower 0:05:50.736 --> 0:05:54.536 here there, and you might not noticeably see it on film, 0:05:54.976 --> 0:05:56.936 but they know it right because they've been. 0:05:56.815 --> 0:05:59.135 At the elite of the elite of those guys. 0:05:59.775 --> 0:06:02.056 I think he'll be great for Dallas in that I 0:06:02.096 --> 0:06:05.376 don't think they're going to expect him to be Vaughn. 0:06:05.976 --> 0:06:07.295 I think they're going to expect him to be a 0:06:07.296 --> 0:06:10.536 guy that knows how to run that defense, that can 0:06:10.536 --> 0:06:14.535 be a leader in the locker room and just some stability. 0:06:14.575 --> 0:06:16.496 They were terrible last year and their defense is going 0:06:16.536 --> 0:06:19.455 to be really good this year, especially adding Caleb Downs 0:06:19.455 --> 0:06:22.495 behind him as an absolute stud I mean even watching 0:06:22.536 --> 0:06:24.575 some of the camp rightage of Caleb Downs. 0:06:24.616 --> 0:06:27.376 Just his ability to communicate. I've covered him last year 0:06:27.376 --> 0:06:29.536 at Ohio State and was talking to Matt Patricia, who 0:06:29.575 --> 0:06:31.215 I was with in New England and known him for 0:06:31.215 --> 0:06:34.096 a long time. He's their defensive coordinator. He's like, it's 0:06:34.096 --> 0:06:38.815 surreal how intelligent he is is football IQ. His understanding 0:06:38.815 --> 0:06:41.136 of what we're trying to do, communication skills, being in 0:06:41.176 --> 0:06:43.616 the right spot. So to have somebody like that in 0:06:43.655 --> 0:06:46.496 the back end of your defense and setting everything up 0:06:46.496 --> 0:06:50.136 back there, because that's they struggled mightily in terms of 0:06:50.176 --> 0:06:52.895 their secondary last year. But they have a stability piece 0:06:52.976 --> 0:06:56.135 like that. And then, as you talked about, Vaughan adds 0:06:56.135 --> 0:06:59.736 that leadership. But he won't be an every down guy, right, 0:06:59.775 --> 0:07:01.736 He's going to be a pass rush specialist. He's going 0:07:01.775 --> 0:07:03.856 to come in fresh on third down. They're going to 0:07:03.895 --> 0:07:06.416 set up some games. He's going to go one hundred 0:07:06.455 --> 0:07:09.056 miles an hour when he gets called in to go 0:07:09.096 --> 0:07:12.415 after the passer, and it can be very productive in 0:07:12.456 --> 0:07:14.576 that role because he's not gonna have the same wearing 0:07:14.655 --> 0:07:16.456 terrors if you're playing every single down. 0:07:17.056 --> 0:07:21.936 Let's draft back and forth the teams, and it doesn't 0:07:21.936 --> 0:07:23.816 have to be your favorite team, but it still can 0:07:23.896 --> 0:07:26.776 because you're a Patriots guy. Obviously, the teams you would 0:07:26.856 --> 0:07:28.616 like to see win the Super Bowl because it'd be 0:07:28.696 --> 0:07:30.295 good for that team and that fan base. 0:07:30.576 --> 0:07:33.095 Oh gosh, so we'll pick four each. 0:07:33.176 --> 0:07:36.296 I'll let you have the first pick, so next next season, 0:07:36.816 --> 0:07:38.936 it'd be awesome if this team won the Super Bowl. 0:07:39.215 --> 0:07:41.496 Who do you have? Why don't we go with the 0:07:41.536 --> 0:07:42.415 Detroit Lions. 0:07:43.016 --> 0:07:45.535 You know that's a great pick because I mostly because 0:07:45.576 --> 0:07:46.616 of the reason you're picking them. 0:07:46.736 --> 0:07:47.415 They've never won. 0:07:47.576 --> 0:07:51.416 Yeah, they've been super competitive. Dan Campbell's changed the culture. 0:07:51.456 --> 0:07:53.776 They've done a great job, and they're right there on 0:07:53.816 --> 0:07:56.336 the cusp. But if that team was to go with 0:07:56.376 --> 0:07:58.936 that fan base, they are loyal fan base, and I 0:07:59.016 --> 0:08:03.176 played there for a season and they come week in 0:08:03.215 --> 0:08:06.056 and week out, pack that stadium. And this is when 0:08:06.136 --> 0:08:08.376 they weren't as good as they are now. But that 0:08:08.655 --> 0:08:12.856 city would be rocking if they won. I'm gonna take Buffalo. 0:08:14.456 --> 0:08:17.376 I think this is the first time I've seen a 0:08:17.376 --> 0:08:19.736 head coach coming in year one, and there's the expectation 0:08:19.816 --> 0:08:21.975 they have to get to the super Bowl with Brady 0:08:22.016 --> 0:08:25.776 being there, right, they didn't bring him in to a 0:08:25.776 --> 0:08:29.696 bout the FC Championship game again, And so I think 0:08:30.856 --> 0:08:32.896 New Stadium, those fans are hard up. 0:08:32.936 --> 0:08:33.896 I mean even when they. 0:08:33.776 --> 0:08:36.536 Were going they lost three in a row in the 0:08:36.616 --> 0:08:39.455 nineties and a lot of maybe the young fans in 0:08:39.535 --> 0:08:40.496 row yeah, for in and row you're. 0:08:40.456 --> 0:08:44.976 Right, foreigner, can you Oh my gosh, for in a row? 0:08:45.415 --> 0:08:45.856 Oh my god? 0:08:45.856 --> 0:08:46.856 What kind of hell is that? 0:08:46.896 --> 0:08:49.136 Because I remember it now as a child, I was 0:08:49.175 --> 0:08:52.295 a but and so as a child, things are just 0:08:52.336 --> 0:08:54.456 fun and stupid and goofy and the Cowboys all win 0:08:54.655 --> 0:08:58.256 or why or all this stuff's happening. But now as 0:08:58.256 --> 0:09:00.816 an adult, thinking to watch a team right now lose 0:09:00.856 --> 0:09:01.216 four in a. 0:09:01.256 --> 0:09:03.296 Row, oh, it would be definat It. 0:09:03.256 --> 0:09:08.535 Would be devasttaged, devastating. I think those fans deserve a championship. 0:09:08.576 --> 0:09:10.016 I think the team has been really good, and I 0:09:10.055 --> 0:09:13.575 think they have did best quarterback in the NFL. 0:09:14.055 --> 0:09:17.175 And so I'm gonna go Buffalo, Buffalo. I like it. 0:09:17.295 --> 0:09:17.696 I like it. 0:09:17.736 --> 0:09:20.016 Another fan base that is in dire need of a 0:09:20.055 --> 0:09:22.616 Super Bowl Championship got to stay within the same division 0:09:22.696 --> 0:09:25.896 the Minnesota Vikings. Can you imagine if Kyler Murray gets there, 0:09:26.216 --> 0:09:28.816 they catch lightning in a bottle and that Kevin O'Connell offense. 0:09:28.896 --> 0:09:31.616 They've got the skilled players to do it with Jefferson Addison, 0:09:31.616 --> 0:09:34.376 They've got a good offensive line, Howkinson at the tight 0:09:34.496 --> 0:09:38.215 end position, and then you've got defense. But if that 0:09:38.216 --> 0:09:40.856 that fan base again, skull Viking. 0:09:40.935 --> 0:09:44.016 I was there for two years. It's awesome and they 0:09:44.376 --> 0:09:47.856 are desperate for a championship. What are their odds? 0:09:47.896 --> 0:09:50.535 Kevin, will you look at see where Minnesota falls, because 0:09:50.816 --> 0:09:54.216 you're right, if they get I don't want to say 0:09:54.216 --> 0:09:57.455 a solid contribution because Kyler Murray needs to play well really, 0:09:57.496 --> 0:09:58.976 but I'll say seven and a half out of ten. 0:09:59.016 --> 0:10:00.376 If he plays at a seven and a half out 0:10:00.415 --> 0:10:01.856 of ten level, I think they have a real shot. 0:10:01.856 --> 0:10:07.055 They play a tough division, obviously, but Murray was really. 0:10:06.696 --> 0:10:09.295 Good rookie year, multiple Pro Bowls. 0:10:09.496 --> 0:10:12.136 We forget what what we remember is the iPad, Like, 0:10:12.175 --> 0:10:13.936 get off your iPad video, We'll. 0:10:13.776 --> 0:10:15.456 Sign you to a new contract only if you don't 0:10:15.456 --> 0:10:17.415 play video games and you watch more. 0:10:17.655 --> 0:10:20.256 And that tainted Kyler Murray to me honestly, because I'm going, oh, 0:10:20.295 --> 0:10:21.295 he doesn't really care about. 0:10:21.336 --> 0:10:25.415 The perception, wasn't that prior to when that whole thing 0:10:25.496 --> 0:10:26.136 came out. 0:10:26.016 --> 0:10:28.535 About well, because it made you feel like he didn't 0:10:28.535 --> 0:10:30.136 care about football, and then that was. 0:10:30.055 --> 0:10:32.376 Followed with injuries, so you have that, like you're saying, 0:10:32.736 --> 0:10:35.295 you feel like, oh, maybe he doesn't care, and then 0:10:35.295 --> 0:10:37.215 he gets injured, so you don't only shake that he 0:10:37.256 --> 0:10:39.415 doesn't care because he's not winning because he's not playing. 0:10:40.376 --> 0:10:43.295 But you're right, if Kyler Murray plays well, I think 0:10:43.336 --> 0:11:00.655 Minnesota has a real chance. How do you think Justin 0:11:00.696 --> 0:11:04.096 Jefferson fielder? Do you think he enjoys that he has 0:11:04.136 --> 0:11:07.536 a quarterback? And it's hard because you're a tall guy. 0:11:09.216 --> 0:11:11.136 Calimra is not a tall guy, right. 0:11:11.216 --> 0:11:15.296 I've never caught passes from anybody like outside the pocket, 0:11:15.415 --> 0:11:17.936 so I don't really know what that perspective's like. 0:11:18.136 --> 0:11:20.215 What job Justin Jefferson thinking? If you had to put 0:11:20.216 --> 0:11:21.456 yourself in his mind right now. 0:11:21.376 --> 0:11:22.896 I think you just put if you put the ball 0:11:22.935 --> 0:11:24.456 on the right spot, he's going to catch it. So 0:11:24.616 --> 0:11:26.616 I think he's going to go do his job. I 0:11:27.336 --> 0:11:31.256 think what he's encouraged by is one this guy's a veteran, 0:11:31.616 --> 0:11:34.016 he's got experience, he's won at a high level, he's 0:11:34.016 --> 0:11:36.575 played at a high level. If he can come in 0:11:36.655 --> 0:11:39.456 and establish himself as that leader and they win ball 0:11:39.456 --> 0:11:41.896 games early and often, then that takes care of it. 0:11:41.976 --> 0:11:45.256 Because I think there's so much uncertainty, and they noticed 0:11:45.295 --> 0:11:49.416 that with JJ McCarthy because of just what he's done 0:11:49.456 --> 0:11:51.695 over his first two season, which hasn't been a lot. 0:11:52.016 --> 0:11:53.215 So much in consistency. 0:11:53.256 --> 0:11:55.816 All you're looking for when you have a premiere wide receiver, 0:11:55.856 --> 0:11:57.496 and I can go back to Randy Moss or any 0:11:57.535 --> 0:12:00.295 of these guys that I've played with that they want 0:12:00.295 --> 0:12:04.936 consistency and the knowledge that the guy that playing behind 0:12:04.976 --> 0:12:07.336 center will with them the ball and if he does that, 0:12:07.616 --> 0:12:08.856 then there's encouragement there. 0:12:09.295 --> 0:12:11.496 Do you see odds are fifty to one? Were they 0:12:11.535 --> 0:12:17.096 in the nineteenth they're that low? Huhom? Is that because 0:12:17.096 --> 0:12:18.376 of the quarterback situation? 0:12:18.496 --> 0:12:20.496 I mean, now we know so the odds have fixed 0:12:20.535 --> 0:12:22.575 themselves as soon as they announced the Calamari as a starter. 0:12:23.256 --> 0:12:26.576 But I'm surprised they're that low. Yeah. Right behind him 0:12:26.655 --> 0:12:29.456 is the Bucks and commanders. Just to give an idea too, Well, 0:12:29.696 --> 0:12:32.056 the commanders there are a total unknown as well. I know. 0:12:32.136 --> 0:12:34.816 I mean just because they the Buddets are behind them, Yeah, 0:12:34.896 --> 0:12:36.256 right behind them. I was going to say one of 0:12:36.295 --> 0:12:38.016 those teams went if the Steelers are right in front 0:12:38.016 --> 0:12:41.056 of them. In Jaguars, the Steelers are in front of them. 0:12:41.175 --> 0:12:45.575 Yeah, okay, I'm gonna go as my next pick, the 0:12:45.655 --> 0:12:46.496 Dallas Cowboys. 0:12:46.776 --> 0:12:48.376 Oh this great, fike. 0:12:48.816 --> 0:12:52.176 I mean why not America would love or America would 0:12:52.216 --> 0:12:54.736 hate to see a Dallas Cowboy championship. 0:12:54.776 --> 0:12:57.656 And that's what it's all about, Like there would be 0:12:57.655 --> 0:12:58.855 a motion regardless. 0:12:59.896 --> 0:13:01.776 It's rare that we get a team that has that 0:13:01.856 --> 0:13:04.856 the Patriots had that he loved it or you hated 0:13:04.856 --> 0:13:07.256 it and most hated it after a while for sure. 0:13:08.055 --> 0:13:10.535 But I think because the Cowboys haven't won it forever 0:13:10.576 --> 0:13:14.176 and they are the most popular team, I think for 0:13:14.216 --> 0:13:16.655 the Cowboys to win a Super Bowl that would just 0:13:16.856 --> 0:13:19.295 matter good and bad. And I think that would be 0:13:19.736 --> 0:13:22.736 really fun to see a Cowboys run. I'm not Cowboys fan, 0:13:22.816 --> 0:13:24.176 so I say that as a non Cowboys fan. 0:13:24.456 --> 0:13:25.376 Yeah, I like that. 0:13:25.456 --> 0:13:28.696 I'm going to go with the Houston Texans. Houston Texas run. Why, 0:13:29.256 --> 0:13:31.616 I know, it's one of those non sexy picks. But 0:13:31.655 --> 0:13:33.655 at the same time with that defense that they have 0:13:34.295 --> 0:13:34.535 c J. 0:13:34.736 --> 0:13:35.096 Stroud. 0:13:35.136 --> 0:13:37.416 I know that people are on the bandwagon that he 0:13:37.456 --> 0:13:39.056 needs to play better and all their stuff, but they've 0:13:39.096 --> 0:13:41.215 got a squad that compete for a championship and that 0:13:41.256 --> 0:13:43.655 would be their first ever Super Bowl as well. And 0:13:44.055 --> 0:13:47.376 I think you bring another intrigue to the NFL, because again, 0:13:47.576 --> 0:13:49.976 you always want to see other people win, and some 0:13:50.055 --> 0:13:51.256 of these organizations that never have. 0:13:52.096 --> 0:13:54.496 It would be cool to see somebody come out of the. 0:13:54.415 --> 0:13:59.016 Depths and rise and be They've been a perennial playoff 0:13:59.016 --> 0:14:01.576 team for the last what four years, and now to 0:14:01.616 --> 0:14:02.736 maybe make that next jump. 0:14:02.976 --> 0:14:05.695 I think the interesting thing about the Texans is that 0:14:06.216 --> 0:14:09.416 if they do win a Super Bowl this year, the 0:14:09.456 --> 0:14:11.655 next year, it's going to be because of defense. And 0:14:11.696 --> 0:14:14.536 this has been such an offensive league. It has been 0:14:14.736 --> 0:14:16.776 let's score as many points as possible and then figure 0:14:16.816 --> 0:14:19.656 it out on defense. But Houston's one of those few 0:14:19.736 --> 0:14:23.336 rare teams that their identity is defense and they can 0:14:23.376 --> 0:14:26.896 win any game because of their defense, no doubt. I'm 0:14:26.896 --> 0:14:32.816 gonna go to Kansas City. I love a dynasty. I 0:14:32.856 --> 0:14:34.936 think people have kind of written off the Chiefs now 0:14:34.976 --> 0:14:36.776 as that's the end of that dynasty. 0:14:36.856 --> 0:14:37.455 That was fun. 0:14:37.696 --> 0:14:40.096 And then Mahomes got hurt and Travis Kelsey's old, and 0:14:40.896 --> 0:14:43.816 I think people think the Chiefs are probably over as 0:14:43.896 --> 0:14:46.335 far as being the elite, the top one to two 0:14:46.416 --> 0:14:51.376 three teams in the NFL. I like to see people 0:14:51.456 --> 0:14:53.496 and teams do great things. Even if I don't like 0:14:53.536 --> 0:14:56.056 the team, I can totally respect it. I think it's cool. 0:14:56.536 --> 0:14:58.616 Got we were lucky enough to see Michael Jordan. We 0:14:58.616 --> 0:15:01.095 were lucky enough to see the Patriots. You gotta see 0:15:01.096 --> 0:15:03.576 them closer than I did. We're lucky enough to see 0:15:03.736 --> 0:15:08.256 Lebron although his wasn't so much a dynasty, he himself. 0:15:07.936 --> 0:15:09.776 Was a bit of that. You know, four rings and 0:15:09.776 --> 0:15:11.376 these are the arguably one or two. 0:15:12.416 --> 0:15:16.456 So I like to see excellence, and the Chiefs were excellent, 0:15:16.536 --> 0:15:18.696 and I would like to see them win another one 0:15:18.776 --> 0:15:21.016 or two. I mean, the Patriots had a big gap 0:15:21.016 --> 0:15:23.376 in the middle, big gap, and while. 0:15:23.176 --> 0:15:24.896 They were going to Super Bowls, they weren't winning those 0:15:24.896 --> 0:15:26.976 super Bowls. So they were still a dominant team. But 0:15:27.536 --> 0:15:30.376 it was from two thousand and four to what fourteen 0:15:30.936 --> 0:15:31.096 was it? 0:15:31.136 --> 0:15:32.335 In a ten year gap? Ten years. 0:15:32.336 --> 0:15:35.136 That's wild thinking that now, because it just seems like 0:15:35.176 --> 0:15:38.096 they just won all the championships, a ten year gap, 0:15:38.336 --> 0:15:38.896 tenre gap. 0:15:39.016 --> 0:15:43.536 Crazy. They they'd go to eleven and nine but they 0:15:43.536 --> 0:15:45.536 didn't win Super Bowl but they lost. Yeah yeah the Giants? 0:15:45.576 --> 0:15:48.816 Or eight yeah yeah, man, so eight and twelve. So 0:15:48.856 --> 0:15:53.456 I'm gonna go with the Chiefs. Chiefs, yep, one more pickach. 0:15:53.336 --> 0:15:56.336 And go one another underdog. I mean within the division 0:15:56.376 --> 0:15:57.576 that you're talking about, I'm gonna go. 0:15:57.616 --> 0:15:58.816 With the LA Chargers. 0:16:00.016 --> 0:16:02.056 I think that they were decimated with injuries, still were 0:16:02.056 --> 0:16:05.816 a playoff team last year. Justin Herbert is considered one 0:16:05.896 --> 0:16:08.376 of the elite quarterbacks in this league. If they stay 0:16:08.416 --> 0:16:11.736 healthy and within that division, that's going to be super competitive. 0:16:12.376 --> 0:16:15.776 And with Mike McDaniel's coming in as their offensive coordinator, 0:16:15.936 --> 0:16:19.216 I think that they have a possibility to shock people. 0:16:19.416 --> 0:16:22.216 And also if they win that division alone, they're going 0:16:22.256 --> 0:16:22.856 to be in the hunt. 0:16:23.216 --> 0:16:26.136 Do you still have the odds up? Because I'm going 0:16:26.216 --> 0:16:30.616 to take as my final pick Cincinnati. I love small 0:16:30.656 --> 0:16:34.216 market teams. I would love to say Joe Burrow stay healthy, 0:16:35.216 --> 0:16:40.176 that's the key. I would love Cincinnati, who didn't have 0:16:40.216 --> 0:16:42.696 an outdoor practice Facilly until like two years ago. To 0:16:42.776 --> 0:16:46.176 go or an indoor practice facilly, they only practice outside. 0:16:46.776 --> 0:16:51.656 We're Cincinnati twenty to one, thirteen overall, and it's such 0:16:51.696 --> 0:16:53.376 a big year for not only Joe Burrow. 0:16:53.776 --> 0:16:55.776 You know, you've got Jamar Chase, you got t Higgins, 0:16:55.816 --> 0:16:57.856 you got all these, but for the head coach as well, 0:16:58.016 --> 0:17:00.736 who I think is a good head coach. But Burrow 0:17:00.816 --> 0:17:05.176 has not stayed healthy consistently. But if they do, I 0:17:05.216 --> 0:17:07.176 mean there's a lot of pressure on that team because 0:17:07.176 --> 0:17:08.696 I think it's a winnable division this year. 0:17:09.096 --> 0:17:11.816 Did you play with Devin mccordy. I did not. I 0:17:11.896 --> 0:17:14.656 played with Jason. His brother. Jason was a cornerback for 0:17:14.776 --> 0:17:18.256 us in Tennessee for the Titans. So we have. 0:17:18.215 --> 0:17:20.056 Devin come up in a few minutes, Yeah, and so 0:17:20.096 --> 0:17:22.575 we'll talk to him. He won three Super Bowls. Pretty good, 0:17:23.176 --> 0:17:25.736 pretty good player. Not only was he All Pro at cornerback, 0:17:25.776 --> 0:17:27.856 he is also an All Pro at safety and he 0:17:27.936 --> 0:17:30.495 is a really good special teamer. The guy is just 0:17:30.576 --> 0:17:31.656 an all around stud. 0:17:31.896 --> 0:17:34.856 And I've got an opportunity to know him his brother 0:17:35.376 --> 0:17:38.696 over the years, but also his body of work speaks 0:17:38.696 --> 0:17:39.176 for itself. 0:17:39.176 --> 0:17:41.896 But then he's doing incredible things. Also in the broadcast 0:17:41.936 --> 0:17:45.536 with before we get to him. Let's do two situational awarenesses. 0:17:45.536 --> 0:17:48.495 Are you ready? Yes, I am all right. I'll give 0:17:48.495 --> 0:17:49.496 you the first one here. 0:17:49.735 --> 0:17:52.536 It's the final preseason game and you're playing with offensive 0:17:52.536 --> 0:17:56.056 lineman who might not be on the team tomorrow right 0:17:56.215 --> 0:17:58.576 as the quarterback. How nervous does that make you? 0:17:59.096 --> 0:18:00.816 There's a little bit of speculation going into the game. 0:18:00.816 --> 0:18:01.496 I'm not gonna lie. 0:18:02.096 --> 0:18:05.496 You've gone through camp and if you're the backup quarterback 0:18:05.495 --> 0:18:07.296 and normally you do get that start, at least I 0:18:07.376 --> 0:18:09.255 did when I was in New England because the starters 0:18:09.336 --> 0:18:12.416 usually won't play that You have at least a comfort 0:18:12.495 --> 0:18:13.656 level with these guys because. 0:18:13.416 --> 0:18:14.936 You've been in the huddle with them a bunch. 0:18:15.336 --> 0:18:18.576 But at the same time, you can't let that impact 0:18:18.616 --> 0:18:19.816 your mental psyche too much. 0:18:19.856 --> 0:18:21.816 You still got to go out and execute. 0:18:21.376 --> 0:18:23.576 Because these guys are all good players, they just might 0:18:23.616 --> 0:18:26.056 not be the front line guys. In addition to that, 0:18:26.136 --> 0:18:28.016 you know, in the last preseason game, more than likely 0:18:28.656 --> 0:18:30.376 the defensive side of the ball is going to be 0:18:30.376 --> 0:18:32.215 doing the same thing. They're probably not going to be 0:18:32.256 --> 0:18:34.416 playing their stars. There was maybe one or two times 0:18:34.536 --> 0:18:37.056 we'd always play the Giants in the fourth preseason game 0:18:37.336 --> 0:18:40.815 that they had their starters play the first series, but 0:18:41.296 --> 0:18:43.936 other than that, it's normally the second line guys, and 0:18:44.016 --> 0:18:45.616 so it's kind of a fair fight at that point. 0:18:46.016 --> 0:18:48.696 All right, okay, all right, here you go. 0:18:48.776 --> 0:18:52.536 Your wife, Caitlyn's sick, so you're on full baby duty 0:18:52.576 --> 0:18:55.336 on the weekend. Are you sticking to a routine? Are 0:18:55.376 --> 0:18:57.096 you just trying to survive the weekend? 0:18:57.136 --> 0:18:59.856 This is literally the last weekend that we had, so 0:19:00.416 --> 0:19:03.616 this is exactly the story. She was sick, so she 0:19:03.696 --> 0:19:06.255 had food poisoning in the middle of the week and 0:19:06.376 --> 0:19:09.696 she got just wrecked by it. She also has a 0:19:09.696 --> 0:19:12.776 severe autoimmunity, so anytimes she gets sick, it's like that 0:19:13.136 --> 0:19:16.615 times three and it she couldn't got a bed, so 0:19:16.656 --> 0:19:19.696 she had food poisoning, which the triggered the inflammation in 0:19:19.735 --> 0:19:20.096 her body. 0:19:20.136 --> 0:19:21.616 She has a terrible autoimmune disease. 0:19:23.136 --> 0:19:26.696 So I was ninety three percent baby duty, and I 0:19:26.735 --> 0:19:29.176 tried to stay on that schedule as best as I could. 0:19:29.256 --> 0:19:32.735 I didn't always stay on it exactly sometimes. 0:19:32.975 --> 0:19:35.336 But I was. I got a low A. Yeah, I 0:19:35.336 --> 0:19:35.896 got a low A. 0:19:35.936 --> 0:19:40.136 If I were great in myself, only one nipple numb, 0:19:40.495 --> 0:19:43.416 that's the producer. Yeah, just I got one strong nip. 0:19:43.696 --> 0:19:47.215 But yeah, at this point, our baby's five months old. 0:19:48.176 --> 0:19:50.495 She also knows a bit of the routine. Not that 0:19:50.576 --> 0:19:53.455 she's pulling herself to take a nap, but she knows, okay, 0:19:53.616 --> 0:19:55.176 I'm getting sleepy Now'm rubbing my eyes. 0:19:55.336 --> 0:19:56.176 Yeah, and so it's. 0:19:56.136 --> 0:19:58.976 Kind of fun to see her her body no when 0:19:58.975 --> 0:20:01.176 it's time to also take a nap. So this actually 0:20:01.215 --> 0:20:04.936 happened this weekend. And I would give me staying on 0:20:05.096 --> 0:20:08.496 track a low ninety me as an overall twenty four 0:20:08.536 --> 0:20:13.416 hour dad or close to it, eighty two outstanding, though 0:20:13.536 --> 0:20:14.056 a low. 0:20:13.975 --> 0:20:17.016 Ninety for a whole weekend with no motherly support. As 0:20:17.056 --> 0:20:19.095 far as staying on schedule, I give myself like an 0:20:19.096 --> 0:20:20.936 eighty two grade. I give it some a B. It's 0:20:20.936 --> 0:20:23.775 still really good. Yeah. I did forget recently to just 0:20:23.776 --> 0:20:25.896 feed the baby completely, but that's a whole inner story. 0:20:25.936 --> 0:20:27.495 That's okay. You just double up the next one and 0:20:27.576 --> 0:20:28.536 let her throw again. Oliver. 0:20:28.576 --> 0:20:30.696 You know, I've heard, and I heard I said, I 0:20:30.696 --> 0:20:32.055 said the same thing, and I was even met with no, 0:20:32.176 --> 0:20:32.896 that's not all right. 0:20:32.975 --> 0:20:35.496 Yeah, yeah, because I did. I just wouldn't even mention that. Yeah, 0:20:35.536 --> 0:20:37.775 that would be a bad deal, all right, final question 0:20:37.816 --> 0:20:38.055 for you. 0:20:38.096 --> 0:20:40.376 One of your kids says, well, Mom, lets me do 0:20:40.416 --> 0:20:43.216 it after you tell them no, are you checking with 0:20:43.256 --> 0:20:44.816 her or do you just assume they're lying? 0:20:45.536 --> 0:20:46.416 I assume they're lying. 0:20:46.856 --> 0:20:49.576 And I also say, well, Mom's not here, Dad's here, 0:20:50.176 --> 0:20:53.696 so whatever mom would say when she's here is different 0:20:53.735 --> 0:20:56.255 than what Dad's saying right now as I'm here. So 0:20:56.336 --> 0:21:00.295 we can have this argument or discussion later on when 0:21:00.296 --> 0:21:02.176 your mom gets home and she can tell me something different, 0:21:02.176 --> 0:21:06.176 but as of this moment, daddy's in charge, so save it. 0:21:06.176 --> 0:21:09.096 It feels like the question you asked me, I was 0:21:09.136 --> 0:21:10.975 comfortable answering that because it just happened. It feels like 0:21:11.016 --> 0:21:13.215 you were so comfortable with answering that because it's happened before. 0:21:13.296 --> 0:21:16.056 Oh, it happens a lot. Mom started to do it. 0:21:16.096 --> 0:21:18.856 I was like, wait, it's so far fetched that my 0:21:18.936 --> 0:21:22.336 wife would say yes to that question that I know already, Like, 0:21:22.816 --> 0:21:25.336 there's no chance she would say yes, And you're just 0:21:25.376 --> 0:21:27.696 trying to pull the wool over my eyes. And I 0:21:27.856 --> 0:21:31.376 can be very reasonable, but I'm not gullible, Okay, so 0:21:31.495 --> 0:21:33.775 don't misinterpret me being nice as soft. 0:21:33.816 --> 0:21:35.656 Does it ever happen though, where Mom actually does allow 0:21:35.696 --> 0:21:36.775 it and then you were wrong. 0:21:37.016 --> 0:21:39.215 Every now and then then they threw me for a loop. 0:21:39.256 --> 0:21:41.255 I'm like, what day did they get you on that 0:21:41.296 --> 0:21:43.736 where you said yes? Like normally I've heard you say 0:21:43.776 --> 0:21:47.296 absolutely not. I was just trying to stay in sequence 0:21:47.376 --> 0:21:50.376 with you, all right, your final question, A guest you 0:21:50.455 --> 0:21:54.096 really want says yes, but their team says, the biggest 0:21:54.096 --> 0:21:55.976 topic of conversation is off limits. 0:21:56.256 --> 0:21:57.536 Are you still doing the interview? 0:21:59.136 --> 0:22:02.136 This has happened a few times. It's happened in a 0:22:02.215 --> 0:22:06.856 scenario where I can give you a cific example because 0:22:06.856 --> 0:22:12.256 they won't care. Whenever Blake and Miranda were going through 0:22:12.296 --> 0:22:18.856 their divorce, Blake was coming in and they said, don't 0:22:18.856 --> 0:22:22.696 ask Blake about the divorce. And I was like, okay, 0:22:23.056 --> 0:22:25.856 And this is me still pretty early and new to Nashville, 0:22:25.856 --> 0:22:26.976 and Blake doesn't live here. 0:22:27.016 --> 0:22:27.735 So I did not. 0:22:29.536 --> 0:22:32.536 I didn't want to miss that interview or miss kind 0:22:32.576 --> 0:22:34.056 of I almost say introduction, but we didn't have a 0:22:34.056 --> 0:22:35.616 relationship at all, and I just wanted to move that 0:22:35.696 --> 0:22:38.055 relationship along, and so I said yes, and so I 0:22:38.136 --> 0:22:40.296 did not ask about it. And like the second thing 0:22:40.336 --> 0:22:42.495 he says to me is, yeah, I'm Randon. Now we 0:22:42.536 --> 0:22:44.735 got divorce man, that's been something because he just starts 0:22:44.735 --> 0:22:45.336 talking about it. 0:22:45.416 --> 0:22:47.936 Right. That doesn't happen every time. But I had. 0:22:47.896 --> 0:22:52.215 Chosen in that instance because I was early here, I 0:22:52.215 --> 0:22:54.735 did not have their proper relationships to say, I'll do 0:22:54.776 --> 0:22:58.136 it without asking about the big thing. If it's something 0:22:58.136 --> 0:22:59.856 that I really want to talk about, or if it's 0:23:02.136 --> 0:23:04.856 if I'm skipping it and everyone's going, why is any 0:23:04.896 --> 0:23:07.216 asking it, I would just rather not do the interview right. 0:23:07.576 --> 0:23:08.455 If it's something though. 0:23:08.376 --> 0:23:10.975 That so does that speak to the integrity of the interview, right, 0:23:10.975 --> 0:23:13.896 because everybody wants to hear everybody knows it, everybody wants. 0:23:13.735 --> 0:23:15.416 To We're kind of integrity to people count on me 0:23:15.416 --> 0:23:17.616 to have. I really, I mean, I am not Teddy Copple. 0:23:17.735 --> 0:23:20.856 So it may be if it's something though, where I 0:23:20.856 --> 0:23:22.496 feel like I'm being told how to do my job, 0:23:23.256 --> 0:23:24.255 I'm going to pass on it. 0:23:24.296 --> 0:23:25.576 There are times, though, where I. 0:23:25.495 --> 0:23:26.816 Can say, they go, hey, they don't want to talk 0:23:26.816 --> 0:23:28.296 about this, and honestly I don't want to talk about 0:23:28.296 --> 0:23:30.896 that anyway, And so that one doesn't affect me as 0:23:30.975 --> 0:23:33.015 much because I really try not to lead with my 0:23:33.096 --> 0:23:35.696 ego as much anymore. I think in my way way 0:23:35.776 --> 0:23:37.616 in secure days it's much more ego led. 0:23:37.975 --> 0:23:38.176 Now. 0:23:38.215 --> 0:23:39.975 It's just I just want to have a good show 0:23:40.776 --> 0:23:41.656 or a good interview. 0:23:41.856 --> 0:23:43.816 And if they say they do not want to talk 0:23:43.816 --> 0:23:45.136 about flat earth, and I was like, well, I was 0:23:45.136 --> 0:23:47.096 never going to ask them about that anyway, I don't 0:23:47.096 --> 0:23:49.536 get offended that they don't want to talk about flat earth. 0:23:49.896 --> 0:23:53.775 So I'm good. Yea, So there's some nuance to that answer. 0:23:56.056 --> 0:23:58.856 If they say, don't talk about the biggest thing, and 0:23:58.896 --> 0:24:00.296 the biggest thing is what I want to talk about, 0:24:00.416 --> 0:24:01.536 I will not do the interview. 0:24:01.536 --> 0:24:05.616 But it's normally I'm guessing very personal stuff, right, there's yeah, 0:24:05.656 --> 0:24:08.656 but microphone. 0:24:08.735 --> 0:24:10.856 Right, when you're going through some stuff, you just you 0:24:10.856 --> 0:24:14.376 should just hide a hundred or just well, just do 0:24:14.536 --> 0:24:17.295 all your own stuff, like into a microphone, into a camera. 0:24:17.735 --> 0:24:18.576 You know, you don't have to go on. 0:24:18.936 --> 0:24:21.255 But yeah, if it's something that's really big and I 0:24:21.256 --> 0:24:23.735 don't ask and it looks like I'm a coward, I 0:24:23.776 --> 0:24:27.696 won't do the interview integrity. Who cares we're doing it's 0:24:27.735 --> 0:24:28.936 I mean, looks like I'm not longing, I. 0:24:29.096 --> 0:24:31.215 Won't feed my baby. Sometimes no one holds me to 0:24:31.536 --> 0:24:33.096 no one holds me to any standard. 0:24:33.696 --> 0:24:35.816 All Right, we're gonna break come back with three times 0:24:35.816 --> 0:24:47.295 Super Bowl champion Devin mccordy. 0:24:52.576 --> 0:24:53.376 Hey, let's welcome in. 0:24:53.455 --> 0:24:57.176 Devin mccorty, three times super Bowl champion, longtime Patriots captain. 0:24:57.856 --> 0:24:59.896 Uh really, one of the premiere, one of the smartest 0:24:59.936 --> 0:25:03.176 defensive back to his era, thirteen seasons in New England, 0:25:03.336 --> 0:25:06.616 went from first round pick to lead or the Patriots defense. 0:25:07.056 --> 0:25:08.776 I mean, he is a champion. This is your guy. 0:25:08.856 --> 0:25:12.096 Oh he's an absolute stud, all right. I mean the 0:25:12.096 --> 0:25:16.056 man that meant the legend. And thirteen seasons with what team? 0:25:16.296 --> 0:25:18.296 Devin mccordy, what's going on, buddy. 0:25:18.416 --> 0:25:19.015 What's happening? 0:25:19.056 --> 0:25:21.656 Man? You know exactly what that feels like. Thirteen seasons 0:25:21.656 --> 0:25:24.856 with Bill Belichick. Man, that was some good and bad 0:25:24.936 --> 0:25:25.975 days mixing there. 0:25:26.576 --> 0:25:29.176 But it sounds like probably more bad. I mean, more 0:25:29.215 --> 0:25:30.056 good days than bad. 0:25:30.096 --> 0:25:31.775 But the funny part is I go back to my 0:25:31.816 --> 0:25:33.656 New England days and everybody's like, what was it like 0:25:33.776 --> 0:25:34.455 winning at. 0:25:34.296 --> 0:25:36.496 Such a at such a high rate. 0:25:36.536 --> 0:25:38.976 And I said, you know what's crazy is that when 0:25:39.016 --> 0:25:41.816 we're winning, when you go in you review the film, 0:25:41.856 --> 0:25:44.015 it almost felt a lot of times like you lost 0:25:44.016 --> 0:25:44.416 the game. 0:25:46.256 --> 0:25:48.976 Nothing was like those Monday morning low lights. And that's 0:25:49.016 --> 0:25:52.255 what we all talked about. No matter how well you played, 0:25:52.696 --> 0:25:56.256 everyone remembered like there were one, two or three bad plays. 0:25:56.656 --> 0:25:58.735 And you sat in your seat and you were like. 0:25:59.256 --> 0:26:00.856 I hope you don't show my play. I hope you 0:26:00.856 --> 0:26:01.535 don't show up. 0:26:01.896 --> 0:26:03.776 And then as soon as the beginning of that play 0:26:03.856 --> 0:26:06.336 came up, because all of these were crazy, like. 0:26:06.296 --> 0:26:09.295 Everyone watched the film before they got in the meeting, 0:26:09.376 --> 0:26:10.976 like guys, they were into it. 0:26:11.296 --> 0:26:13.896 You'd be like, damn, here goes and he would go 0:26:14.016 --> 0:26:16.856 off on a rant rip you and then everyone would laugh. 0:26:16.896 --> 0:26:18.856 And I think that was the joy in New England. 0:26:18.936 --> 0:26:19.775 We all took it. 0:26:20.096 --> 0:26:22.216 We laughed about it, we made fund of bill when 0:26:22.215 --> 0:26:25.416 we could, and then you focused on winning the next week. 0:26:25.936 --> 0:26:28.336 At what point did you realize New England was the 0:26:28.376 --> 0:26:30.816 only place you were going to and wanted to play. 0:26:33.096 --> 0:26:37.936 Honestly, my last year, after the twenty twenty two season, 0:26:38.816 --> 0:26:41.096 I thought about continuing to play. 0:26:41.136 --> 0:26:43.656 But I was I was gonna be thirty five years. 0:26:43.416 --> 0:26:47.575 Old, and I knew New England really wasn't in the 0:26:47.616 --> 0:26:51.696 position to win, and so I, you know, started brainstorming, 0:26:51.735 --> 0:26:54.896 maybe what are some teams And that was the moment 0:26:55.256 --> 0:26:57.816 I would say probably in like that February at time 0:26:58.176 --> 0:27:00.535 where I was kind of going out, hanging out, staying 0:27:00.536 --> 0:27:03.376 out in Boston and just meeting so many younger people 0:27:03.455 --> 0:27:06.055 who were like twenty two, twenty three, and then you 0:27:06.096 --> 0:27:07.896 start to feel old because they're like, man, I've been 0:27:07.936 --> 0:27:09.416 watching you since I was twelve. 0:27:09.696 --> 0:27:11.815 It's so funny. Hey can I get you a drink? 0:27:12.096 --> 0:27:14.456 And then it kind of set in that like, hey man, 0:27:14.495 --> 0:27:17.015 this was this was my second home. I wanted to 0:27:17.096 --> 0:27:19.136 only be here as trying to, you know, hang up 0:27:19.176 --> 0:27:22.656 the cleats or retire special place, man, And very fortunate 0:27:22.696 --> 0:27:24.296 I got to do all thirteen years there. 0:27:24.816 --> 0:27:27.176 When you get drafted to the New England Patriots in 0:27:27.215 --> 0:27:29.775 the first round, you know you normally asked the question 0:27:30.256 --> 0:27:31.936 how long did it take you for the game to 0:27:31.975 --> 0:27:32.456 slow down? 0:27:32.495 --> 0:27:35.455 But obviously your rookie season was phenomenal. 0:27:35.576 --> 0:27:39.296 You had seven interceptions, You're an All Pro cornerback to 0:27:39.455 --> 0:27:43.176 start your rookie year. I mean, what why was a 0:27:43.215 --> 0:27:46.096 transition so quick for you? Did anything have to do 0:27:46.176 --> 0:27:48.616 with playing for Chiano and being in a similar system 0:27:48.656 --> 0:27:49.255 in college? 0:27:49.975 --> 0:27:52.336 Yeah, I think so, man, And we laughed, you know, 0:27:52.416 --> 0:27:55.096 because you know, we had a couple like young players 0:27:55.136 --> 0:27:57.376 their first year would come in and have good years 0:27:57.696 --> 0:27:59.535 and in the second year wouldn't be as good. And 0:27:59.576 --> 0:28:01.856 we said, Joe, who was like man? Once I started 0:28:01.936 --> 0:28:03.975 learning all the new England ways, I got worse as 0:28:04.016 --> 0:28:08.215 a player, and I do I think my I was young. 0:28:08.016 --> 0:28:08.936 So I didn't realize that. 0:28:09.016 --> 0:28:11.216 In my first year, the style of defense we ran 0:28:12.455 --> 0:28:15.495 really was a bunch of different calls, some man, some zone, 0:28:15.536 --> 0:28:18.536 some zone pressures. And I was a guy that loved 0:28:18.536 --> 0:28:21.016 studying the game, so I was able to benefit from that. 0:28:21.455 --> 0:28:23.816 My second year we switched to you know, single high 0:28:23.936 --> 0:28:26.575 man and man and it was a struggle. And when 0:28:26.616 --> 0:28:29.815 I was young, I wasn't piecing that together. I was 0:28:29.896 --> 0:28:32.176 just like, man, I suck. I can't figure this out. 0:28:32.495 --> 0:28:33.015 But it was. 0:28:33.096 --> 0:28:35.416 It was the change in that probably didn't fit me 0:28:35.455 --> 0:28:38.416 as well as a as an individual player, but as 0:28:38.416 --> 0:28:39.616 well was best for our team. 0:28:39.656 --> 0:28:42.136 And you know, wasn't happy when it happened. 0:28:42.176 --> 0:28:44.576 I remember when Belichick first came to me, it was like, hey, 0:28:44.856 --> 0:28:47.176 twenty eleven. He's like, Hey, you're gonna play corner on 0:28:47.256 --> 0:28:49.176 first and second down and then on third time you're 0:28:49.176 --> 0:28:50.056 gonna move to safety. 0:28:50.096 --> 0:28:53.576 I was like, what, Like, this is the dumbest thing ever. 0:28:53.976 --> 0:28:56.815 And then that next year switching to safety full time 0:28:57.936 --> 0:29:00.856 was a blessing. It fit my style, fit that defense 0:29:00.856 --> 0:29:03.416 that they were running. But it was tough and that 0:29:03.536 --> 0:29:06.416 during that transition period, that second and three year was 0:29:06.456 --> 0:29:09.016 really tough to doubts, you know, the self doubt crept in. 0:29:09.736 --> 0:29:12.256 But figuring that out it was huge obviously for my career. 0:29:12.336 --> 0:29:14.976 And you know, I think Coach Belichick saw something and 0:29:15.056 --> 0:29:17.816 me playing safety that I didn't even see in the beginning. 0:29:18.376 --> 0:29:20.896 At what point, and it could even be rookie camp, 0:29:21.096 --> 0:29:23.216 at what point did you realize you were going to 0:29:23.216 --> 0:29:25.216 contribute as quickly as you did. 0:29:27.256 --> 0:29:31.696 Probably it was in the spring when they put me 0:29:31.736 --> 0:29:34.216 in with the ones, and when you're. 0:29:34.056 --> 0:29:35.456 A rookie and I was a rookie that went to 0:29:35.496 --> 0:29:38.216 the Rutgers like we weren't playing this SEC schedule with 0:29:38.296 --> 0:29:40.936 all the big time players. So I got into huddle 0:29:40.976 --> 0:29:43.136 with giraw Mao and Vince Wilford. 0:29:43.696 --> 0:29:45.216 I was like, I don't want to mess this up. 0:29:45.376 --> 0:29:47.896 And I knew if they put me in that early, 0:29:47.936 --> 0:29:50.256 they were going to ask me to contribute somehow in 0:29:50.336 --> 0:29:52.896 some way. I didn't know it would be, you know, 0:29:53.016 --> 0:29:56.136 starting all sixteen games that year, but I knew somehow 0:29:56.176 --> 0:29:58.456 I would mix in. And then I think two weeks 0:29:58.536 --> 0:30:02.456 later our starting corner league Boughten he a had shoulder surgery, 0:30:02.616 --> 0:30:04.616 so he was out for the year and it was 0:30:04.696 --> 0:30:07.016 myself and Butler, who was in the second year. 0:30:07.376 --> 0:30:09.296 We were up and we had to play and start 0:30:09.416 --> 0:30:10.136 all the games. 0:30:10.816 --> 0:30:14.576 Talk to me about that transition from corner to safety. Obviously, 0:30:14.616 --> 0:30:18.216 playing corner has its own nuances in terms of understanding 0:30:18.256 --> 0:30:20.016 angles and all that stuff, But then you go into 0:30:20.096 --> 0:30:23.576 the backside of the defense and you're really the quarterback 0:30:23.616 --> 0:30:26.416 in the backside for the defensive backs and communication all that. 0:30:26.576 --> 0:30:28.896 Was that a tough transition or was that natural for you? 0:30:29.816 --> 0:30:32.536 Yeah? I think it definitely fit my personality. 0:30:32.656 --> 0:30:33.656 But I had to adjust. 0:30:33.816 --> 0:30:37.696 Remember the first game I started at just safety, we 0:30:37.696 --> 0:30:40.176 were playing Buffalo at home and we were in a 0:30:40.216 --> 0:30:42.296 call where if the guy motioned across the ball, we 0:30:42.296 --> 0:30:44.056 were going from cover two to cover three. 0:30:44.616 --> 0:30:46.936 And when I was a corner, somebody you know, I 0:30:47.016 --> 0:30:48.575 knew it, but I would look at the safety. 0:30:48.576 --> 0:30:50.936 The safety would give me the oka A three D 0:30:51.496 --> 0:30:53.576 and when a guy moved I kind of looked at 0:30:53.616 --> 0:30:55.896 Mayo for Mayo to turn around. He never turned around, 0:30:55.936 --> 0:30:58.856 so we just played cover too, and he was like, dude, 0:30:58.896 --> 0:31:01.096 you got to make the call. And I was like, oh, damn, 0:31:01.136 --> 0:31:03.696 that is my call, all right. I got it, And 0:31:03.976 --> 0:31:06.575 I think after that I got the hang of And 0:31:06.616 --> 0:31:08.736 I think that's when I started to really shine as 0:31:08.736 --> 0:31:11.335 a leader and a captain is all of that, because, 0:31:11.456 --> 0:31:14.296 like you said, Matt, I felt that that kind of 0:31:14.336 --> 0:31:16.656 pressure of being a quarterback of the defense and lining 0:31:16.696 --> 0:31:18.256 things up and getting everybody together. 0:31:18.376 --> 0:31:19.736 So I definitely think it. 0:31:19.776 --> 0:31:22.896 Helped my leadership qualities, you know, moving to safety and 0:31:23.216 --> 0:31:24.736 becoming comfortable at that position. 0:31:25.176 --> 0:31:26.696 You talked about at the end of your career when 0:31:26.736 --> 0:31:28.296 people were like, hey, I used to watch you when 0:31:28.296 --> 0:31:28.816 I was a kid. 0:31:28.816 --> 0:31:30.216 But when you got up and. 0:31:30.176 --> 0:31:32.456 It was your rookie of your second year, who did 0:31:32.456 --> 0:31:35.216 you line up against? Where you felt like that to them, like, dang, 0:31:35.256 --> 0:31:36.656 I used to watch you when I was a kid. 0:31:37.576 --> 0:31:41.096 Oh that started. That started early training camp. You get 0:31:41.096 --> 0:31:44.056 in there and you line up and you look at 0:31:44.096 --> 0:31:45.736 it a cross and it's Randy Moss. 0:31:46.376 --> 0:31:48.856 You're like, oh, like I was sitting to how the 0:31:48.896 --> 0:31:49.896 hell did I get here? 0:31:50.576 --> 0:31:54.416 And you know, when you're young and with Randy if 0:31:54.416 --> 0:31:56.736 he was on the backside of the plane, he knew 0:31:57.016 --> 0:31:59.856 that the ball couldn't come back there. He really would 0:31:59.936 --> 0:32:02.856 like slowly come off, maybe grab you. So when you're 0:32:02.856 --> 0:32:05.216 a young player, you're like, watch this jam Randy moss Up. 0:32:05.816 --> 0:32:08.496 You feel good about it, and I'll never forget. We 0:32:08.536 --> 0:32:10.776 had two incidents when we went into the red zone 0:32:10.776 --> 0:32:13.376 for the first time, and I found out what late 0:32:13.496 --> 0:32:15.976 hands was when a receiver act likes the ball's not 0:32:16.056 --> 0:32:18.496 coming and they wait till the last minute, stick their 0:32:18.496 --> 0:32:20.816 hands out catch it. He did that to me five 0:32:20.856 --> 0:32:23.496 times in practice, and then we went to the end 0:32:23.496 --> 0:32:25.896 stadium practice and he beat me for two fifty yard 0:32:25.976 --> 0:32:29.856 bombs and it was like, Damn Brady and Billy O'Brien, 0:32:30.176 --> 0:32:32.016 they waited, drew it up for him to come on 0:32:32.096 --> 0:32:36.416 my side, crowds going crazy. That was definitely my welcome 0:32:36.456 --> 0:32:39.376 to the NFL moment, going against Randy in practice every day. 0:32:40.296 --> 0:32:43.536 You know, when you talk about the Patriot dynasty, a 0:32:43.536 --> 0:32:47.456 lot of the discussion always revolves around Belichick and Brady, 0:32:47.816 --> 0:32:51.016 but obviously, as we well know, it takes a full 0:32:51.056 --> 0:32:53.256 team effort. Can you talk about some of your favorite 0:32:53.296 --> 0:32:56.456 defenses during that time and why you guys were so dominant. 0:32:57.416 --> 0:33:00.856 Yeah, man, I think you know, starting from the beginning. 0:33:01.776 --> 0:33:04.696 I think when twenty fourteen, when we got Reevis and 0:33:04.736 --> 0:33:08.216 we got Brown and we finally won our first super Bowl, 0:33:08.696 --> 0:33:11.176 that was a cool moment because that was like, that 0:33:11.296 --> 0:33:13.736 was my contract year and it felt like all of 0:33:13.736 --> 0:33:16.336 this was coming together. But individually I was in the 0:33:16.336 --> 0:33:18.296 middle of like, Damn, I hope this still works out 0:33:18.376 --> 0:33:20.656 for me. I want to get paid, and for us 0:33:20.696 --> 0:33:23.376 to have the year we had with that defense with 0:33:23.536 --> 0:33:27.736 Vince Wolford still there, Jamie Collins, Dante Hi Tower at linebacker, 0:33:28.176 --> 0:33:30.216 like that was just I think that was one of 0:33:30.296 --> 0:33:32.016 the first times I played on a defense where I 0:33:32.056 --> 0:33:34.496 was like, damn, we're a damn good defense. And then 0:33:35.256 --> 0:33:39.656 twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, playing in that secondary, we 0:33:39.696 --> 0:33:43.216 had all guys who were older but still good players. Man, 0:33:43.336 --> 0:33:45.616 some of the stuff we were able to do from 0:33:45.616 --> 0:33:49.416 a scheme standpoint was so fun. The coaching staff really 0:33:49.456 --> 0:33:53.056 gave us a lot of leeway and like adjustments and everything, 0:33:53.096 --> 0:33:55.016 and we did. We spent a lot of time watching 0:33:55.056 --> 0:33:57.896 film together. Hey man, hey, I want you to go 0:33:57.976 --> 0:33:59.936 jump this route. I'm gonna play over the top. Everybody 0:33:59.976 --> 0:34:02.136 else on their own and no one else on the 0:34:02.136 --> 0:34:04.456 defense would know, and we were able to do some 0:34:04.576 --> 0:34:06.976 really fun thing that you know, I think made that 0:34:07.096 --> 0:34:09.736 season special and helped us win Super. 0:34:09.496 --> 0:34:10.216 Bowl fifty three. 0:34:10.576 --> 0:34:13.216 It's funny that you mentioned twenty fourteen defense and the 0:34:13.216 --> 0:34:15.696 adjustments that you made, because I was in Minnesota at 0:34:15.696 --> 0:34:17.496 that time, and if you remember, you came to us 0:34:17.536 --> 0:34:20.416 in week two and you guys had shown all three 0:34:20.496 --> 0:34:22.616 down leading up to that game, and we were prepared 0:34:22.656 --> 0:34:25.216 for the three four defense. Shamie Collins on the outside 0:34:25.216 --> 0:34:26.896 like you're saying, you guys show up. You guys are 0:34:26.936 --> 0:34:29.336 in four down, played Manda Man the entire game, no 0:34:29.456 --> 0:34:31.736 cover four and just routed us. 0:34:32.176 --> 0:34:34.856 It was terrible, terrible day. Do you remember that day? 0:34:34.856 --> 0:34:37.216 Because I threw you a pick early. This guy's on 0:34:37.296 --> 0:34:39.976 the opposite hash. All of a sudden, we run across 0:34:40.016 --> 0:34:41.496 crossing route right in front of his face. We have 0:34:41.576 --> 0:34:44.256 a double move post behind him, hoping that he takes 0:34:44.256 --> 0:34:47.896 that crossing route. He baseball turns, turns around, catches the 0:34:47.936 --> 0:34:49.176 interception right in the middle field. 0:34:49.176 --> 0:34:50.736 I was like, oh, oh no. 0:34:51.736 --> 0:34:53.816 You know, we talk about low lights. 0:34:53.816 --> 0:34:56.016 So that play comes up the next day and I'm 0:34:56.056 --> 0:34:57.736 in there like, yeah, that was. 0:34:57.696 --> 0:34:59.496 A good one, like exactly what you said. 0:34:59.896 --> 0:35:02.376 And Bill I get pushed out at the one and 0:35:02.936 --> 0:35:05.496 shows the whole play and he goes, I mean a 0:35:05.576 --> 0:35:08.576 cordy like we can't we can't step out at the 0:35:08.616 --> 0:35:11.936 one yard line, like at this point, dive do something 0:35:11.976 --> 0:35:13.736 to get in the angel, like if we fumble the 0:35:13.816 --> 0:35:14.496 snap the. 0:35:14.416 --> 0:35:16.776 Next play like this is ruined and we. 0:35:16.776 --> 0:35:19.176 Shouldn't even be on offense. We should be kicking the 0:35:19.296 --> 0:35:22.016 extra point. I just put my hands up like real, 0:35:22.136 --> 0:35:24.416 like this is where we're gonna go with after that, 0:35:24.616 --> 0:35:27.256 And that was a specialty low light for me in 0:35:27.376 --> 0:35:28.456 that fourteen season. 0:35:29.296 --> 0:35:31.376 Of your three Super Bowls, did any of them feel 0:35:31.416 --> 0:35:34.976 like more relief than while we did this? 0:35:37.576 --> 0:35:40.016 I think the last one, and I think it was 0:35:40.096 --> 0:35:43.896 because we go we play the Eagles in Super Bowl 0:35:43.976 --> 0:35:47.336 fifty two, Nick Foles, you know, WinCE, it goes down 0:35:47.536 --> 0:35:51.376 and Tom has unbelievable game. He throws who are over 0:35:51.416 --> 0:35:54.456 five hundred yards and you have like, like such a 0:35:54.536 --> 0:35:57.616 letdown as a defense because it was literally like if 0:35:57.656 --> 0:35:59.816 we just could get one stop in that game, one 0:35:59.856 --> 0:36:03.816 extra stop, we win the super Bowl. So getting back 0:36:04.376 --> 0:36:07.016 it just felt like like man and like This is 0:36:07.056 --> 0:36:10.496 a relief, like we got to get back and prove that, hey, 0:36:10.536 --> 0:36:12.576 we won, you know, especially the way we won. We 0:36:12.616 --> 0:36:15.616 gave up three points in a super Bowl defensively, and 0:36:16.016 --> 0:36:18.736 I know for me individually like that that was special 0:36:19.016 --> 0:36:21.336 to be able to do that, especially you know, alongside 0:36:21.376 --> 0:36:22.336 my twin brother. 0:36:23.336 --> 0:36:24.136 As a leader. 0:36:24.456 --> 0:36:27.376 Obviously the Patriots organization was a veteran group when you 0:36:27.416 --> 0:36:30.576 came in, but throughout the years you established yourself as 0:36:30.576 --> 0:36:32.896 a captain and a leader of this team. Where does 0:36:32.936 --> 0:36:36.016 that leadership come from as you grew up and as 0:36:36.016 --> 0:36:37.416 you develop your leadership style. 0:36:38.296 --> 0:36:41.456 Yeah, I think my mom. My father passed away when 0:36:41.496 --> 0:36:43.216 I was young. I was about three years old, and 0:36:43.296 --> 0:36:46.616 my mom she just ran everything and she would always 0:36:47.056 --> 0:36:50.496 kind of become whoever you needed in that moment. You know, 0:36:50.536 --> 0:36:53.336 if she needed to be a caretaker, she'd be a caretaker. 0:36:53.336 --> 0:36:55.456 If we messed up and she needed to discipline us, 0:36:55.696 --> 0:36:58.656 she would be She wouldn't hesitate to grab you up. 0:36:59.336 --> 0:37:01.256 And I think that's what I kind of learned. And 0:37:01.296 --> 0:37:03.736 then at my time in the wing when I get 0:37:03.776 --> 0:37:05.856 there as a young captain. In my second we have 0:37:05.976 --> 0:37:09.016 jirob Mail, we have Vince Wilfron, on defense. I really 0:37:09.136 --> 0:37:12.056 was charged with taking care of the younger guys, figuring 0:37:12.056 --> 0:37:14.136 out how to get you know, those guys and myself 0:37:14.176 --> 0:37:16.776 to play at a high level, become a pro. Those 0:37:16.816 --> 0:37:19.216 guys leave, I start to realize, hey man, I gotta 0:37:19.256 --> 0:37:21.536 be more vocal. I got to change the kind of 0:37:21.616 --> 0:37:23.936 leadership style that I had. And all of it was 0:37:24.296 --> 0:37:27.376 at my wheelhouse. That fit my personality. But my mom 0:37:27.496 --> 0:37:30.416 taught me. You know, my mom and Matthew Slater really 0:37:30.456 --> 0:37:34.016 taught me about servanthood, how to serve other people in leadership, 0:37:34.056 --> 0:37:35.016 how to step up. 0:37:35.256 --> 0:37:37.056 And you know, fill the roles that they need. 0:37:37.816 --> 0:37:39.936 Do you have a cool collection of jersey swamp. 0:37:41.576 --> 0:37:44.376 No, I have a few, but like I remember, it 0:37:44.496 --> 0:37:48.576 started to become popular when I was playing, maybe around 0:37:48.656 --> 0:37:51.376 like fourteen fifteen, and Bill came in the one time. 0:37:51.416 --> 0:37:54.056 He's like, I mean, I get it if you're gonna. 0:37:53.776 --> 0:37:56.856 Swap jerseys, but you know, we can go out there 0:37:56.896 --> 0:37:58.616 and we play game and we lose. I don't want 0:37:58.616 --> 0:38:00.696 to see you posing with that. That just beat us 0:38:01.376 --> 0:38:04.336 And it became famous. In that Kansas City game in 0:38:04.376 --> 0:38:09.696 twenty fourteen, Steven Ridley and Jamal Charles are posing with 0:38:09.896 --> 0:38:12.856 a jersey and Bill puts it up in a team 0:38:13.016 --> 0:38:14.536 a team meeting room the next. 0:38:14.376 --> 0:38:17.856 Day and goes off. So I have a couple guys. 0:38:17.536 --> 0:38:20.856 That you know, play safety, Eric well On, Malcolm Jenkins, 0:38:21.056 --> 0:38:23.616 A couple guys like that that you know I thought 0:38:23.656 --> 0:38:25.256 were really good players while I was playing. 0:38:25.296 --> 0:38:27.576 I was able to jersey swap with them. 0:38:27.896 --> 0:38:29.335 If you could go back and do it again. 0:38:29.536 --> 0:38:32.336 Is there one player in particular that you definitely want 0:38:32.376 --> 0:38:33.376 a jersey swap with? 0:38:34.336 --> 0:38:34.576 Two? 0:38:34.696 --> 0:38:37.496 It would be Charles what's in ed Red, no doubt about. 0:38:38.096 --> 0:38:38.456 Yeah. 0:38:38.496 --> 0:38:41.016 Did you guys have to pay every time for a 0:38:41.056 --> 0:38:43.056 new jersey for yourself though, if you gave one away? 0:38:43.696 --> 0:38:44.936 Yeah, that was Bill's thing. 0:38:45.016 --> 0:38:47.696 If you give away a jersey, these jerseys take time, 0:38:48.136 --> 0:38:49.336 they get customized. 0:38:49.576 --> 0:38:51.136 If you take it, you pay for it. 0:38:52.496 --> 0:38:54.376 What was that costing? Do you know? Do you guys 0:38:54.456 --> 0:38:56.016 know how much it cost? I have no idea. They 0:38:56.136 --> 0:38:57.776 just charge you and not even tell you. I think 0:38:58.416 --> 0:39:03.696 payroll the dope. That's what the exactly well you get 0:39:03.696 --> 0:39:05.016 it for Fika. We don't know what it is or 0:39:05.016 --> 0:39:06.056 why they're taking that much. 0:39:06.216 --> 0:39:23.856 Yeah, we're now in the phase of training camp where 0:39:23.856 --> 0:39:26.336 you got these joint practices that are going on. 0:39:26.536 --> 0:39:27.496 Did you get a. 0:39:27.456 --> 0:39:29.336 Lot of value out of those joint practices? 0:39:30.536 --> 0:39:33.056 I did, Man, I enjoyed it, and I think it's 0:39:33.096 --> 0:39:35.296 different for the skill positions because we're. 0:39:35.096 --> 0:39:37.936 Still not like banging our heads and going after it. 0:39:37.936 --> 0:39:41.416 But it allowed us to see different receivers and tight ends, 0:39:41.736 --> 0:39:44.336 to see different quarterbacks. I remember my rookie year, our 0:39:44.376 --> 0:39:47.096 first joint practice was Drew Brees, So I went from 0:39:47.176 --> 0:39:50.496 practice against Brady to now practice against Drew Brees, Like 0:39:50.576 --> 0:39:53.816 you can't find a better look, but also different and 0:39:54.176 --> 0:39:56.096 you know how they are in the pocket once tall, 0:39:56.136 --> 0:39:58.856 ones shorter, So just being able to do that and 0:39:58.856 --> 0:40:02.496 see different offices, I always felt like help prepare us 0:40:02.496 --> 0:40:04.656 for the year. So I used to love the joint practice, 0:40:04.736 --> 0:40:07.976 especially if we could play enough snaps in joint practice 0:40:08.376 --> 0:40:10.136 and not have to play in a preseason game. 0:40:10.256 --> 0:40:11.256 I was all part of that. 0:40:11.336 --> 0:40:14.256 As I got older, how often did you guys go 0:40:14.536 --> 0:40:16.656 in practice ones versus ones? 0:40:16.736 --> 0:40:19.136 Meaning did you go against Brady a lot in practice? 0:40:19.736 --> 0:40:22.816 Yeah? Bill felt like training camp was all about a 0:40:22.856 --> 0:40:24.176 heavyweight fight. It should be. 0:40:24.616 --> 0:40:28.936 Haymaker after Haymaker, first offense, first defense, going after it, 0:40:29.056 --> 0:40:32.536 getting after it, and then eventually even you know, even 0:40:32.576 --> 0:40:35.016 within the season, we would still do a seven off 0:40:35.096 --> 0:40:37.736 seventh period all. He used to call it good on 0:40:37.896 --> 0:40:40.736 good and we'd be like week sixteen and he would 0:40:40.776 --> 0:40:42.816 just want to, you know, rep our kind of based 0:40:42.816 --> 0:40:45.376 stuff just to make sure we stayed on top of it. 0:40:45.456 --> 0:40:47.616 And you know, I always thought that was good because again, 0:40:47.896 --> 0:40:50.096 well you play with Brady, like, all those reps you 0:40:50.136 --> 0:40:52.376 get against him, I don't care who you're playing on 0:40:52.496 --> 0:40:53.816 Sunday is definitely gonna help you. 0:40:54.416 --> 0:40:57.736 How involved was Bill Belichick in your day to day 0:40:57.776 --> 0:41:01.296 in terms of being in your a defensive back room 0:41:01.496 --> 0:41:04.096 and being able to break down the offensive unit and 0:41:04.136 --> 0:41:06.496 kind of give you a little nuance that this scheme 0:41:06.576 --> 0:41:07.096 might present. 0:41:08.256 --> 0:41:10.536 Yeah, I had two years where he was in our 0:41:10.536 --> 0:41:15.056 meeting room every day two and ten and twenty nineteen 0:41:15.336 --> 0:41:18.896 until like maybe week thirteen, and then he kind of 0:41:18.936 --> 0:41:22.216 backed out and Steven Gerrod took over. But those years, 0:41:22.256 --> 0:41:25.056 like my rookie year, he was our defensive coordinator basically, 0:41:25.216 --> 0:41:28.696 and I just was so blown away because the dude 0:41:28.736 --> 0:41:33.216 would coach everybody. He would start Kasha outside linebacker on 0:41:33.296 --> 0:41:37.136 get off, Coachha defensive tackles on hands, could see COACHHA 0:41:37.216 --> 0:41:39.496 linebackers hey don't go in there with this shoulder, just 0:41:39.536 --> 0:41:42.176 go blow bliss whole play up. And then he would 0:41:42.176 --> 0:41:45.016 get on the secondary about communication and steps, and I 0:41:45.096 --> 0:41:48.016 used to be like, damn, Like this guy is so 0:41:48.216 --> 0:41:50.936 well equipped to coach everything I tell people now working 0:41:50.976 --> 0:41:53.816 on TV and football that all came from being in 0:41:53.816 --> 0:41:57.616 a meeting room and watching him coach every position. And 0:41:57.656 --> 0:42:00.296 I was like, damn, I learned something about playing offensive 0:42:00.336 --> 0:42:02.536 line and I never thought I would know. And now 0:42:02.576 --> 0:42:05.216 you can actually talk about those things because you said 0:42:05.416 --> 0:42:07.136 all those Bill Belichick meetings. 0:42:07.136 --> 0:42:09.256 If we go back to the Super Bowl against Atlanta, 0:42:09.536 --> 0:42:12.056 you're down twenty eight to three, like like what's being 0:42:12.096 --> 0:42:13.096 said on the sideline. 0:42:14.456 --> 0:42:17.336 Man, it was one of those things where everyone was 0:42:17.776 --> 0:42:20.656 trying to be encouraging. I think while like trying to 0:42:20.696 --> 0:42:22.936 be encouraging, you were also trying to encourage yourself. 0:42:23.376 --> 0:42:25.216 Hey man, one play at a time. Hey, we're gonna 0:42:25.216 --> 0:42:25.936 get it going, don't. 0:42:26.416 --> 0:42:28.776 And you know the truth is when we came out 0:42:28.776 --> 0:42:30.936 it was twenty one to three and a half. We 0:42:30.976 --> 0:42:34.096 went out there defensively, we went three and out, And 0:42:34.176 --> 0:42:36.216 that was the plan in the locker room, Hey go 0:42:36.296 --> 0:42:38.536 three and out, offense, go down to score and it's 0:42:38.536 --> 0:42:39.376 a brand new game. 0:42:39.736 --> 0:42:40.616 We go three and out. 0:42:40.616 --> 0:42:42.416 I think the offense either went three and out or 0:42:42.456 --> 0:42:44.976 they got one first down Atlanta gainst the ball back. 0:42:45.016 --> 0:42:46.815 I think in like five or six plays they score 0:42:46.816 --> 0:42:47.696 another touchdown. 0:42:48.016 --> 0:42:49.256 I think that's when. 0:42:49.616 --> 0:42:52.656 We really turned into, hey, man, let's just play for 0:42:52.736 --> 0:42:53.616 a guy next to you. 0:42:54.056 --> 0:42:55.376 This was a special season. 0:42:55.776 --> 0:42:57.816 We had different guys that came in that locker room 0:42:57.856 --> 0:43:00.136 that year that I thought were very unique. Martella's been 0:43:00.216 --> 0:43:03.016 at Chris Long. Let's play for those guys. They haven't 0:43:03.016 --> 0:43:05.616 been able to win a lot in their career. And 0:43:05.656 --> 0:43:07.856 then next thing you know, a few plays happened and 0:43:07.896 --> 0:43:09.016 the whole game turned around. 0:43:09.536 --> 0:43:12.136 What was more stressful that game, because it seems like 0:43:12.176 --> 0:43:13.856 in the second half you're just like, hey, screw it, 0:43:14.656 --> 0:43:17.376 let the cards fall where they may. But then you've 0:43:17.376 --> 0:43:20.376 also got the Seattle Super Bowl right where they're going 0:43:20.456 --> 0:43:24.216 down there, what second and goal and Malcolm Butler steps 0:43:24.216 --> 0:43:26.056 in front of that play. But the stress on the 0:43:26.096 --> 0:43:28.856 defensive side of the ball, it's got to be at 0:43:28.856 --> 0:43:30.896 the utmost. 0:43:30.416 --> 0:43:32.896 No doubt about it. That's Seattle Super Bowl forty nine. 0:43:33.456 --> 0:43:35.856 Way more stress. We went out there in a second 0:43:35.856 --> 0:43:39.176 half and we were like, hey, let's just keep people 0:43:39.256 --> 0:43:41.376 watching the game, Like, let's make sure they don't turn 0:43:41.416 --> 0:43:44.296 and go watch something else where. In that Seattle Super Bowl, 0:43:44.336 --> 0:43:48.016 we're like, man, somebody make up play. One person made 0:43:48.056 --> 0:43:50.776 one play and his game's over and the ball gets 0:43:50.816 --> 0:43:52.576 all the way down to a one yard line and 0:43:52.616 --> 0:43:53.856 Malcolm makes that play. 0:43:54.656 --> 0:43:57.136 And that was after I lost Super forty six to 0:43:57.176 --> 0:43:57.616 the Giant. 0:43:57.696 --> 0:44:00.816 So when Curse made that catch, I was like, ah, 0:44:00.976 --> 0:44:02.576 here we go again, another. 0:44:02.296 --> 0:44:05.256 Tough loss, Like this sucks. And for mauc to make that, 0:44:05.616 --> 0:44:06.776 I mean, incredible play. 0:44:07.256 --> 0:44:10.096 When Brady leaves, how does that change the locker round? 0:44:11.576 --> 0:44:12.056 Oh? 0:44:12.656 --> 0:44:14.416 I used to tell people this all the time. The 0:44:14.576 --> 0:44:18.416 unique thing about New England was Brady was coachable. Brady 0:44:18.656 --> 0:44:24.176 allowed Bill to coach him harder than anybody else. And 0:44:24.216 --> 0:44:26.896 in our league you do as a player, you can 0:44:26.936 --> 0:44:30.096 decide not to be coachable, and it ruins the whole team. 0:44:30.336 --> 0:44:32.376 So when he left, we. 0:44:32.256 --> 0:44:35.696 Lost that example of Bill being able to dig into somebody, 0:44:35.816 --> 0:44:38.616 get after him and watch that person rise and to 0:44:38.776 --> 0:44:41.576 just follow that person. And I think even for Bill 0:44:41.576 --> 0:44:43.656 it was an adjustment. I got cursed out a little 0:44:43.656 --> 0:44:46.296 bit more. Matthew Slater got a little bit more, but 0:44:46.456 --> 0:44:50.656 nobody was that measuring stick the way Tom was. 0:44:50.416 --> 0:44:52.616 It was definitely a big blow. 0:44:52.776 --> 0:44:55.256 Losing a guy like him, because even with Cam coming 0:44:55.296 --> 0:44:57.936 in and how special of a player Cam was throughout 0:44:57.936 --> 0:45:02.336 his career, it just the way Bill handled him was 0:45:02.416 --> 0:45:04.776 different than how he handled Tom. He had Tom since 0:45:04.776 --> 0:45:07.256 he was a rook there was just some built in 0:45:07.376 --> 0:45:09.016 trust of how he could attack him. 0:45:09.296 --> 0:45:10.816 That was just different once he left. 0:45:11.376 --> 0:45:14.136 What do you think of the New England Patriots right now? 0:45:14.216 --> 0:45:16.856 Obviously coming off the success that they had last year? 0:45:16.896 --> 0:45:20.536 Mike grables first season, Drake May, But what do you 0:45:20.816 --> 0:45:23.696 project for them this season? Because you wouldn't you say 0:45:23.696 --> 0:45:25.816 that they are a better football team at this point. 0:45:26.736 --> 0:45:29.736 Yeah, I think they've improved from last year and what 0:45:29.776 --> 0:45:32.896 they did this offseason. It's so funny because last year, 0:45:33.056 --> 0:45:35.576 being up there doing the preseason games, it was like, man, 0:45:36.056 --> 0:45:38.416 if we just getting nine wins, we're ahead of schedule. 0:45:38.776 --> 0:45:40.776 Next you know, you look up, you're in a super Bowl. 0:45:40.776 --> 0:45:43.216 And now this year everybody's like, man, we need to 0:45:43.216 --> 0:45:45.176 make sure we win the division. We got to get 0:45:45.176 --> 0:45:48.216 back to the super Bowl. And how fast things change. 0:45:48.256 --> 0:45:50.976 But I do I think they're better equipped. The amount 0:45:51.016 --> 0:45:53.496 of weapons they have being up there watching train camp, 0:45:53.816 --> 0:45:57.056 the receivers, everybody. So I do I think they'll be better. 0:45:57.096 --> 0:45:59.456 I don't think their record will be better than last year, 0:45:59.736 --> 0:46:02.696 but I do think they'll be more equipped to try 0:46:02.736 --> 0:46:06.096 to win and play, you know, winning football in playoffs 0:46:06.496 --> 0:46:08.936 this year, because, again, we all got to be honest, 0:46:08.936 --> 0:46:11.416 the road to the super Bowl was a lot easier 0:46:11.496 --> 0:46:13.936 last year than it will be this year. So they'll 0:46:13.976 --> 0:46:15.216 have to be better. 0:46:15.136 --> 0:46:17.016 But that might not show up in our in our 0:46:17.056 --> 0:46:17.776 overall record. 0:46:18.176 --> 0:46:22.936 How's the TV clothing allowance? Man, it's as not as 0:46:23.056 --> 0:46:24.176 high as I thought it would be. 0:46:25.936 --> 0:46:28.296 I'm reaching into a little bit of that football money 0:46:28.416 --> 0:46:29.856 to make sure my mom's. 0:46:29.576 --> 0:46:32.056 Not disappointed and my Sunday night clothes. 0:46:32.616 --> 0:46:32.855 Yeah. 0:46:32.856 --> 0:46:36.056 I was on that college football the Saturday the Big 0:46:36.136 --> 0:46:36.856 ten Saturday Night. 0:46:36.976 --> 0:46:39.096 I was like, so, do we have a little budget here? 0:46:39.536 --> 0:46:42.016 No budget for that show at all, so you're definitely 0:46:42.056 --> 0:46:43.016 coming out of pocket. 0:46:43.736 --> 0:46:44.616 Yeah, I had, I. 0:46:44.536 --> 0:46:47.176 Had, I had one budget for the four years now 0:46:47.376 --> 0:46:50.016 one time, one time I had a budget one year. 0:46:50.256 --> 0:46:52.376 Yeah, went in of the deal yet worked out of 0:46:52.416 --> 0:46:54.816 the deal. How's it been working with Mike Tomlin. I 0:46:54.896 --> 0:46:56.616 know you guys are getting ready to start season, all 0:46:56.656 --> 0:46:59.776 that stuff. He's the new face of Sunday night football. 0:46:59.936 --> 0:47:02.536 What's that been like? Man, he's been awesome. 0:47:03.256 --> 0:47:06.616 He's so open and willing to talk about any of 0:47:06.696 --> 0:47:09.376 the topics and I think people will see once we 0:47:09.496 --> 0:47:10.936 go on and want air. 0:47:10.976 --> 0:47:12.496 But like the fun happens. 0:47:12.896 --> 0:47:15.216 You know, we were now out in Canton, you know, 0:47:15.296 --> 0:47:18.656 Tuesday leading into the Thursday game, Tuesday night, Wednesday night. 0:47:19.016 --> 0:47:22.536 The story is being told over dinner or grabbing a drink. Like, 0:47:22.696 --> 0:47:25.136 just hanging out with him has been a lot of fun. 0:47:25.176 --> 0:47:26.936 He's one of those coaches that I didn't get to 0:47:26.976 --> 0:47:29.496 play for, but he was in my top like two 0:47:29.656 --> 0:47:31.536 or three of like if I'm not in New England, 0:47:31.896 --> 0:47:35.136 I want to play for Tony Dungee or Mike Tomlin, 0:47:35.456 --> 0:47:37.216 Like those were some of the guys that you would 0:47:37.256 --> 0:47:39.896 have loved to play for, especially as a defensive player. 0:47:39.936 --> 0:47:42.536 So it's been really cool getting to know him, being 0:47:42.576 --> 0:47:43.176 around him. 0:47:43.376 --> 0:47:46.296 Do you feel a bit it'll be like saving for sure, 0:47:46.416 --> 0:47:48.856 even Belichick a bit where we think if Tomlin as 0:47:48.856 --> 0:47:51.576 the guy who's given us the press conferences that weren't 0:47:51.656 --> 0:47:53.936 there weren't a lot said. But now that he's able 0:47:53.976 --> 0:47:56.136 to not be the coach. He's gonna be someone who's 0:47:56.136 --> 0:47:59.776 a little more demonstrative, someone who's a little more animated, 0:47:59.816 --> 0:48:01.056 Like we're gonna find that from him. 0:48:02.136 --> 0:48:04.736 Yeah, and this dude has he just has a way 0:48:04.776 --> 0:48:07.736 with words, these slogans. Like we talked about heines Ward 0:48:08.216 --> 0:48:10.896 and he was like, heines Ward, you know, he should 0:48:10.896 --> 0:48:13.816 be in the Hall of Fame predator, not pray. 0:48:14.336 --> 0:48:17.856 Not many receivers are predators. And you sit there and 0:48:17.856 --> 0:48:20.776 you're like, damn, Like, I see what you did there? 0:48:20.856 --> 0:48:22.416 Like that that makes a lot of sense. 0:48:22.456 --> 0:48:24.856 So I think he's gonna have a lot of those 0:48:24.896 --> 0:48:28.336 that really relate to the viewer who's watching, who might 0:48:28.376 --> 0:48:31.296 not know a lot about football, might not know heines 0:48:31.336 --> 0:48:34.136 Ward at all, but they get that picture. And I 0:48:34.176 --> 0:48:37.816 think he's really good at paying that picture with his words. 0:48:38.456 --> 0:48:40.216 You know, you talked about the Hall of Fame and 0:48:40.376 --> 0:48:42.016 I want to go to the Hall of Fame speeches 0:48:42.016 --> 0:48:46.096 real quick, in particular Adam Vinteri and what you thought 0:48:46.256 --> 0:48:49.016 of his speech, just based on the fact that he 0:48:49.176 --> 0:48:52.336 went he went full Haywire on everybody. 0:48:53.256 --> 0:48:55.536 For one, I gotta say, like before I got to 0:48:55.616 --> 0:48:58.616 New England, you know all you guys, you know you you, Bleed, 0:48:58.656 --> 0:48:59.496 Selvi and Itza. 0:49:00.056 --> 0:49:02.456 What I've been impressed with is all of you guys, 0:49:02.496 --> 0:49:04.776 when you've gotten a mic in front of you have 0:49:04.896 --> 0:49:09.256 been tacular and post career like being around Bledsoe talking 0:49:09.296 --> 0:49:12.216 to him and then watching Vinitary up there and you're like, 0:49:12.256 --> 0:49:14.256 all right, Venitaria is a kicker in New England. He's 0:49:14.296 --> 0:49:17.096 probably like pretty serious, gets up there to back a 0:49:17.136 --> 0:49:20.296 few joke and then the just the hammer of throwing 0:49:20.376 --> 0:49:22.496 Bill in there again. I don't know if I'm going 0:49:22.616 --> 0:49:24.616 to bring up Bill and his girlfriend on my dame. 0:49:24.696 --> 0:49:26.576 I'm going out to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, 0:49:27.056 --> 0:49:30.216 but he went there. Probably not my style. But I've 0:49:30.256 --> 0:49:32.376 been so impressed by all you guys. When you get 0:49:32.416 --> 0:49:34.816 in front of a microphone, you guys, you could tell 0:49:34.856 --> 0:49:36.976 that lockerom was a lot of fun back in the day. 0:49:37.456 --> 0:49:39.736 My final question, how'd you know when it was time 0:49:39.776 --> 0:49:40.296 to hang it up? 0:49:43.576 --> 0:49:47.376 I think as a player, when you start thinking out 0:49:47.376 --> 0:49:50.496 there on the football field, and I had a couple 0:49:50.496 --> 0:49:53.176 of those times of like, ah, man, I feel like 0:49:53.176 --> 0:49:54.296 I used to make that play. 0:49:54.416 --> 0:49:56.456 Oh feels like I'm a little slower. 0:49:56.656 --> 0:50:00.336 Or you go play on a random Sunday and you 0:50:00.376 --> 0:50:02.736 feel like your legs don't work and it's just an 0:50:02.776 --> 0:50:06.016 all out battle each and every week. Started to feel 0:50:06.016 --> 0:50:09.456 out towards the end of my career, especially that last year, 0:50:09.456 --> 0:50:12.136 and then the last thing that came to my mind 0:50:12.256 --> 0:50:15.376 was right before Edelman, the last year he played. We 0:50:15.376 --> 0:50:17.976 were walking out, we were walking down the hallway and 0:50:17.976 --> 0:50:19.536 he was like, hey, man, do you ever get that 0:50:19.576 --> 0:50:22.816 feeling of like we're just not playing with the boys anymore? 0:50:22.896 --> 0:50:24.936 He was like, we had a run where it felt 0:50:25.016 --> 0:50:27.656 like man Us and the boys, like the guys that 0:50:27.736 --> 0:50:30.376 like we were just with year after year. We were 0:50:30.416 --> 0:50:32.616 just chasing this thing and it was so much fun. 0:50:33.096 --> 0:50:34.736 He's like, man, it just starts to feel like. 0:50:34.696 --> 0:50:37.816 All the boys are gone. And that stuck with me 0:50:37.896 --> 0:50:39.296 because we got lucky. 0:50:39.456 --> 0:50:42.336 I played in New England with Patrick Chung I think 0:50:42.336 --> 0:50:45.696 for eight or nine years, Darron Harmon eight years, like 0:50:46.496 --> 0:50:50.736 the Slater thirteen years, Edelman twelve year. Like you played 0:50:50.736 --> 0:50:53.896 with these guys for so long you kind of forget 0:50:53.936 --> 0:50:57.216 like this isn't normal. So when I started to really 0:50:57.256 --> 0:50:59.096 get that feeling at the end, I was like, man, 0:50:59.136 --> 0:51:01.696 it's time to go join a new team, go home 0:51:01.696 --> 0:51:03.776 with the family and be fully a part of that 0:51:03.816 --> 0:51:06.576 team more than being a part in the New England Patriots. 0:51:07.096 --> 0:51:10.256 Has the transition been incredible though, since you did finally 0:51:10.256 --> 0:51:13.056 decide to retire to be around the kids and be 0:51:13.216 --> 0:51:16.296 home and be present and while doing your career obviously 0:51:16.336 --> 0:51:19.096 in the media, but just that transition of being home 0:51:19.136 --> 0:51:20.576 and being present around the family. 0:51:21.216 --> 0:51:21.456 Yeah. 0:51:21.496 --> 0:51:21.656 Man. 0:51:21.696 --> 0:51:24.176 Before we got on, we talked about youth football starting. 0:51:24.216 --> 0:51:26.336 I'm out there on the field coaching the kids up, 0:51:27.096 --> 0:51:29.335 and I think that's been a really cool part because 0:51:29.336 --> 0:51:30.816 when I remember when I was young and I got 0:51:30.856 --> 0:51:34.216 into an NFL, everyone tells you make it last as long. 0:51:34.536 --> 0:51:35.936 Once it's over, it's over. 0:51:36.016 --> 0:51:39.256 It's no fun after it's over, And for me, it's 0:51:39.296 --> 0:51:42.536 been the opposite. Like I've enjoyed everything from. 0:51:42.376 --> 0:51:46.016 TV to being with the kids to vacations, Like it's 0:51:46.096 --> 0:51:49.896 been this chapter in life, like I couldn't imagine. 0:51:50.136 --> 0:51:52.616 The year I retired, I went, you know, going to 0:51:52.656 --> 0:51:53.016 the games. 0:51:53.056 --> 0:51:55.536 I was like, oh, like, I don't even want to 0:51:55.576 --> 0:51:56.976 think about playing football anymore. 0:51:57.016 --> 0:51:58.536 I don't want to think about sending a meeting. 0:51:58.896 --> 0:52:00.856 So it was time for me, and I think that's 0:52:00.896 --> 0:52:02.816 allowed me to really enjoy retirement. 0:52:03.336 --> 0:52:04.815 Well, I can't wait to see your face on TV 0:52:04.856 --> 0:52:06.776 again for two reasons. One because you're really good. You 0:52:06.776 --> 0:52:09.936 and your brother are both really good. But to to football, 0:52:09.936 --> 0:52:10.336 which is right. 0:52:10.376 --> 0:52:13.056 I mean, we're ready, it's it's now. We're going through 0:52:13.056 --> 0:52:15.816 the desert. We're begging for water. We just need it. 0:52:15.896 --> 0:52:18.376 So we really appreciate the time he's been with us. Devin, 0:52:18.416 --> 0:52:20.696 thank you so much. I really loved watching you play, 0:52:20.736 --> 0:52:22.976 and then I love watching you on NBC now, So 0:52:23.256 --> 0:52:24.016 thank you very much. 0:52:24.496 --> 0:52:26.456 Any time. Man, I appreciate you guys having me all. 0:52:26.616 --> 0:52:28.416 Thanks sevn Yeah, we got lots. 0:52:28.776 --> 0:52:29.496 Just say. 0:52:32.056 --> 0:52:34.456 Okay before we leave for the day. There was a 0:52:34.536 --> 0:52:37.176 video posted last week on Instagram that featured an archive 0:52:37.296 --> 0:52:41.136 TV clip of Southern California's top senior quarterbacks heading into 0:52:41.136 --> 0:52:42.296 the nineteen ninety nine season. 0:52:43.136 --> 0:52:48.136 Oh from my area and would you mind hitting that? 0:52:48.176 --> 0:52:50.776 Please take a look at the quarterbacks of the Class 0:52:50.896 --> 0:52:51.456 two thousand. 0:52:52.056 --> 0:52:54.336 Matt Castle. This kid always has a grin on his 0:52:54.416 --> 0:52:56.296 bake and he usually ends up in the end zone 0:52:56.456 --> 0:52:59.216 headed the USC. One of our favorite players. He's very 0:52:59.256 --> 0:53:02.496 clear for it. He's a throwback Samuel Ball type. Sound 0:53:02.536 --> 0:53:04.976 Paul huge. It's six five, two twenty not afraid the 0:53:05.456 --> 0:53:07.296 tucked the ball under his arm and run. Had eleven 0:53:07.376 --> 0:53:09.616 touchdowns this year. He's just a true leader. 0:53:09.736 --> 0:53:11.416 He's going to be a field general for years to 0:53:11.416 --> 0:53:12.616 come for the Trojans. 0:53:12.896 --> 0:53:14.936 Oh what a great clip. Guys. Can you send that 0:53:14.936 --> 0:53:19.736 to me so I can watch it. Oh fantastic. Let's 0:53:19.816 --> 0:53:22.176 be honest. You went in with a coach that recruited you, 0:53:22.256 --> 0:53:24.456 and then that coach was no longer there. Yes, he 0:53:24.496 --> 0:53:26.616 did leave after my freshman year. 0:53:26.736 --> 0:53:29.816 Yes, so this is not the case of you going 0:53:30.696 --> 0:53:33.416 and having everything in your favor and you not living 0:53:33.496 --> 0:53:33.896 up to it. 0:53:34.096 --> 0:53:36.816 Did They changed completely? They changed. Pete Carroll came in 0:53:36.936 --> 0:53:39.576 love great guy, great coach, great guy. 0:53:39.856 --> 0:53:42.536 He also went in that first year and recruited I 0:53:42.536 --> 0:53:44.856 think we brought in three quarterbacks that year that he 0:53:44.896 --> 0:53:46.136 wanted from his rea. 0:53:46.336 --> 0:53:48.616 You weren't his guy, No, I was not his guy, 0:53:48.656 --> 0:53:51.376 but I became his guy. Just a guy that nothing 0:53:51.416 --> 0:53:53.136 he didn't want to start. 0:53:53.296 --> 0:53:57.016 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you were ranked the eighth quarterback 0:53:57.016 --> 0:53:57.376 in the nation. 0:53:58.016 --> 0:54:01.256 ESPN analyst Tom Limming, Oh thanks, Tom, what were you 0:54:01.336 --> 0:54:03.696 ranked in your mind? I have no idea. Well, you 0:54:03.696 --> 0:54:06.456 act like it was low. I thought you answer good? 0:54:06.496 --> 0:54:08.456 Thanks Tom. Let me you were. You were also the 0:54:08.456 --> 0:54:09.336 team starting punter. 0:54:09.816 --> 0:54:14.856 Oh, yeah, I punted. I played starting safety. I would 0:54:14.856 --> 0:54:16.496 go up and bring the wood a little bit, so 0:54:16.616 --> 0:54:18.056 I played. Yeah, I played a lot. 0:54:18.176 --> 0:54:21.256 Sometimes I'd kick field goals if we needed to. Really. Yeah, 0:54:21.656 --> 0:54:22.056 you were. 0:54:21.936 --> 0:54:24.016 An all city selection of football and baseball and had 0:54:24.016 --> 0:54:26.016 seven rbs with two home runs in a single game. 0:54:26.376 --> 0:54:30.776 Yep, yeah, I was a good baseball player. Yeah, college too. 0:54:31.336 --> 0:54:32.016 So I know. 0:54:32.096 --> 0:54:34.256 The funny part about college, though, is all I did 0:54:34.296 --> 0:54:36.816 during during college. I mean during high school was played 0:54:36.816 --> 0:54:38.056 first base, third base, and hit. 0:54:38.656 --> 0:54:39.256 I didn't pitch it. 0:54:39.576 --> 0:54:41.256 I didn't pitch in high school, even though I felt 0:54:41.256 --> 0:54:43.736 like I could, But I thought the quickest way on 0:54:43.736 --> 0:54:45.616 the team at USC was to go out and pitch 0:54:45.656 --> 0:54:46.816 because my arm was in shape. 0:54:46.896 --> 0:54:48.376 So I just went out in there and pitched. 0:54:48.576 --> 0:54:51.776 Because I knew sequencing, hitting and all that stuff takes time, 0:54:51.816 --> 0:54:54.216 and I didn't have time. I'd like two weeks to 0:54:54.296 --> 0:54:57.336 convince this coach, coach Gillspie, to let me come on 0:54:57.376 --> 0:54:59.336 the baseball team. He's like, well, what position you want 0:54:59.336 --> 0:55:00.656 to play? I know you're a hitter in high school. 0:55:00.656 --> 0:55:02.216 I was like, no, I think I could pitch. So 0:55:02.256 --> 0:55:04.416 then they set up that bullpen, went through as hard 0:55:04.416 --> 0:55:07.616 as I possibly could, ended up making the team, and 0:55:07.656 --> 0:55:08.496 the rest is history. 0:55:08.616 --> 0:55:10.336 Do you know what you threw velocity wise? Oh? 0:55:10.336 --> 0:55:13.016 Probably ninety eight? No, no chance. You know back then 0:55:13.176 --> 0:55:15.696 like hitting ninety two, yeah, was good. So I think 0:55:15.696 --> 0:55:18.256 I was right around there. Ninety one ninety two two. 0:55:18.176 --> 0:55:19.776 Homes of a single game. Do you remember that game? 0:55:20.696 --> 0:55:22.656 I thought I had multiple two run home runs? Oh, 0:55:22.656 --> 0:55:24.176 you might have. That's just what we pulled. That's just what 0:55:24.296 --> 0:55:24.656 they said. 0:55:24.696 --> 0:55:26.336 I'm trying to think of what game that would be 0:55:26.376 --> 0:55:28.816 when I hit two home runs. I should remember this. 0:55:29.376 --> 0:55:30.856 But you know, like I said, when you rake the 0:55:30.856 --> 0:55:31.616 way I do, you know? 0:55:31.656 --> 0:55:34.936 Home runs nine dozen, another dime a dozen, another day, 0:55:35.056 --> 0:55:36.016 another day. 0:55:36.496 --> 0:55:39.696 I appreciate you guys listening as always, thanks to Devin mccordy. 0:55:40.056 --> 0:55:42.216 That is the great Matt Castle. That's Kickoff Kevin. That's 0:55:42.216 --> 0:55:44.576 Brandon Ray. I'm Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say. 0:55:44.576 --> 0:55:47.856 We'll see you guys next week by play. 0:55:50.456 --> 0:55:52.656 Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is 0:55:52.696 --> 0:55:56.256 a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcasts. For more 0:55:56.296 --> 0:56:00.296 podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or 0:56:00.336 --> 0:56:01.576 wherever you get your podcasts