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Speaker 3: What was that voice? I don't. I don't have to.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I don't put anything in my hair.
Speaker 3: I don't purm my hair. Hair looks great, though I
Speaker 3: don't get something. But the question was, what do you
Speaker 3: do to your hair?
Speaker 5: I don't do anything, But do you have somebody to
Speaker 5: come over and trimle the tips or whatever they do
Speaker 5: when you get long hair?
Speaker 6: So I have actually never, at least in the past
Speaker 6: twenty years twenty five years, fixed my hair.
Speaker 3: What do you mean you've never fixed your hair? You've
Speaker 3: definitely got a new hair.
Speaker 6: I guess my fingers. But there are only two ways
Speaker 6: my hair ever gets fixed. One when I was doing
Speaker 6: a lot of television.
Speaker 5: Right, somebody's gonna, you know, get in there. And I
Speaker 5: mean I had a hair spray.
Speaker 6: It traveled with me at a stylist that traveled with
Speaker 6: me your hair makeup erst supply one for those big
Speaker 6: trips they do.
Speaker 3: But you want the comfort level. Yeah, well, like I
Speaker 3: had a person like that.
Speaker 6: I kept on it's important to have my own people, right,
Speaker 6: you know me, I rolled to with all my own people.
Speaker 3: All yeah, seriously, yeah, that's I have a circle.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's that, and I want to make sure that
Speaker 6: so otherwise, I never fixed my hair. So I started
Speaker 6: to grow my hair out, and not not to grow
Speaker 6: it out on purpose, but our daughter's hair is funny
Speaker 6: and it's long, and she thinks it's funny that my
Speaker 6: hair is long and so solidarity, and so I don't
Speaker 6: know how to fix my hair.
Speaker 3: So this is just there's nothing to fix because you've
Speaker 3: got great flow.
Speaker 6: Some days if it if it gets humid, though, like
Speaker 6: I finally get it.
Speaker 3: It's like, m well, it's.
Speaker 5: Better than having your kids walk up behind you when
Speaker 5: you the hat off. Half the time to be like
Speaker 5: do I see your bold spot? See your bolt?
Speaker 3: Was like, save it. It's not that bad. It might
Speaker 3: be sure on camera. I don't think of you as
Speaker 3: a bald spot guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I've got something and look, I know you
Speaker 5: you bring it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think he was a bald spot guy.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. I mean, well, that's because I've got, like,
Speaker 5: you know, the spray paint, and I.
Speaker 6: Just old school and no shame in that shaming that
Speaker 6: no shaming that Von Miller was gonna play for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you know he had nine sacks last year?
Speaker 6: I did not until I read it. I just saw
Speaker 6: it in that story. You may have known that already.
Speaker 6: I dinner with Von super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Oh did you really? Why what do you mean same agent,
Speaker 3: like agent type association? Are you buddies? Like do you
Speaker 3: guys talk about the Gmail and all this stuff? I
Speaker 3: was gonna say, we literally the same agent. And so
Speaker 3: that by the way, I was at the Super Bowl
Speaker 3: and I didn't get invited that dinner at all. How
Speaker 3: many people were at the dinner?
Speaker 6: Me, my agent, my agent, partner, agent Vaughn, and Vaughn's
Speaker 6: guy like Vin's media guy, like he's the best. And
Speaker 6: so he went on Dancing with the Stars and so
Speaker 6: he tried he did that show.
Speaker 3: He did the show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's amazing how many people come on this show.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you that are involved or have been on
Speaker 5: that show with Dancing with the Stars, and you have
Speaker 5: this immediate connection and you have the trump card that
Speaker 5: you actually won the show.
Speaker 6: So with Vaughn, they had told him that I was
Speaker 6: on it. And also it's it's like text A and
Speaker 6: m von Miller. This is like von Miller, like Denver Bronco.
Speaker 6: This is like super I mean this, this is Vin's
Speaker 6: like a real deal NFL player, like a winner. And
Speaker 6: so we're sitting and and his media guy sitting to
Speaker 6: the right of me, and Vonn's sitting at the left,
Speaker 6: and he goes, you should talk to von about Dancing
Speaker 6: with the Stars. And I said, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 6: not going to bring it up like we're at super Bowl,
Speaker 6: and he goes, no, nobody ever talks about it with them. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he wants to talk. I'm telling you, he wants to
Speaker 6: talk about it. And so I said, hey, man, we
Speaker 6: had dance Stars. He's like yeah, he said you were
Speaker 6: on it too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: We talked for like twenty minutes, like he was just
Speaker 6: he was so happy to have somebody to talk about
Speaker 6: it with.
Speaker 3: It understood it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said, I do a lot of hard things physically,
Speaker 6: but because of what that was how long we had
Speaker 6: to do it and how new it was.
Speaker 3: He goes, That's one of the hardest things I've ever
Speaker 3: had to do.
Speaker 6: So we're going on and on and I think he
Speaker 6: finished like fourth or fifth or something in this season,
Speaker 6: and he goes, yeah, so I felt I get did
Speaker 6: pretty good. Where'd you finish?
Speaker 3: Oh? He had no idea, no idea, no idea, no idea.
Speaker 6: I said, did pretty good. I sid did pretty good.
Speaker 6: He said, you know, I didn't think I got much
Speaker 6: of a chance, and he goes, yeah. He goes, I
Speaker 6: didn't either. And then he when I said did pretty good,
Speaker 6: I think he thought I didn't want to say where
Speaker 6: I finished.
Speaker 3: And I said, yeah, I won. He goes, you did what.
Speaker 6: I said, Yeah, I won. So really nice guy. But
Speaker 6: I was talking to him about just getting older. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I said, because I think he was the Redskins
Speaker 6: like the Commanders recently, right, I know I still make
Speaker 6: the sin. He was just going, so this is before
Speaker 6: he maybe went over all right, huh, No, I guess
Speaker 6: i'd have been. He played the season with them that year, right,
Speaker 6: the Cleanders last yer. Yeah, yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 6: how is the speed of the game. He goes, well,
Speaker 6: I would say, the speed of the game's faster, and
Speaker 6: I said, then when you started, he goes, yeah, he goes.
Speaker 6: But then I had a coach tell me, no, I'm
Speaker 6: just getting slower, and he goes. I tend to think
Speaker 6: that's what it is. It's the Father of Time nine.
Speaker 6: He's the best of all these guys, and it was.
Speaker 5: It's crazy because Vaughn was one of the most disruptive
Speaker 5: pass rushers. I mean throughout his career. Even now he saw,
Speaker 5: like I said, nine sacks last year, so he can
Speaker 5: still go.
Speaker 3: But you can.
Speaker 5: It definitely wears on you, like especially at those positions
Speaker 5: when you're a bookend where you're known as a speed
Speaker 5: pass rusher, that eventually it's just a step step slower
Speaker 5: here there, and you might not noticeably see it on film,
Speaker 5: but they know it right because they've been.
Speaker 3: At the elite of the elite of those guys.
Speaker 6: I think he'll be great for Dallas in that I
Speaker 6: don't think they're going to expect him to be Vaughn.
Speaker 6: I think they're going to expect him to be a
Speaker 6: guy that knows how to run that defense, that can
Speaker 6: be a leader in the locker room and just some stability.
Speaker 6: They were terrible last year and their defense is going
Speaker 6: to be really good this year, especially adding Caleb Downs
Speaker 6: behind him as an absolute stud I mean even watching
Speaker 6: some of the camp rightage of Caleb Downs.
Speaker 5: Just his ability to communicate. I've covered him last year
Speaker 5: at Ohio State and was talking to Matt Patricia, who
Speaker 5: I was with in New England and known him for
Speaker 5: a long time. He's their defensive coordinator. He's like, it's
Speaker 5: surreal how intelligent he is is football IQ. His understanding
Speaker 5: of what we're trying to do, communication skills, being in
Speaker 5: the right spot. So to have somebody like that in
Speaker 5: the back end of your defense and setting everything up
Speaker 5: back there, because that's they struggled mightily in terms of
Speaker 5: their secondary last year. But they have a stability piece
Speaker 5: like that. And then, as you talked about, Vaughan adds
Speaker 5: that leadership. But he won't be an every down guy, right,
Speaker 5: He's going to be a pass rush specialist. He's going
Speaker 5: to come in fresh on third down. They're going to
Speaker 5: set up some games. He's going to go one hundred
Speaker 5: miles an hour when he gets called in to go
Speaker 5: after the passer, and it can be very productive in
Speaker 5: that role because he's not gonna have the same wearing
Speaker 5: terrors if you're playing every single down.
Speaker 6: Let's draft back and forth the teams, and it doesn't
Speaker 6: have to be your favorite team, but it still can
Speaker 6: because you're a Patriots guy. Obviously, the teams you would
Speaker 6: like to see win the Super Bowl because it'd be
Speaker 6: good for that team and that fan base.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, so we'll pick four each.
Speaker 6: I'll let you have the first pick, so next next season,
Speaker 6: it'd be awesome if this team won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Who do you have? Why don't we go with the
Speaker 3: Detroit Lions.
Speaker 6: You know that's a great pick because I mostly because
Speaker 6: of the reason you're picking them.
Speaker 3: They've never won.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they've been super competitive. Dan Campbell's changed the culture.
Speaker 5: They've done a great job, and they're right there on
Speaker 5: the cusp. But if that team was to go with
Speaker 5: that fan base, they are loyal fan base, and I
Speaker 5: played there for a season and they come week in
Speaker 5: and week out, pack that stadium. And this is when
Speaker 5: they weren't as good as they are now. But that
Speaker 5: city would be rocking if they won. I'm gonna take Buffalo.
Speaker 6: I think this is the first time I've seen a
Speaker 6: head coach coming in year one, and there's the expectation
Speaker 6: they have to get to the super Bowl with Brady
Speaker 6: being there, right, they didn't bring him in to a
Speaker 6: bout the FC Championship game again, And so I think
Speaker 6: New Stadium, those fans are hard up.
Speaker 3: I mean even when they.
Speaker 6: Were going they lost three in a row in the
Speaker 6: nineties and a lot of maybe the young fans in
Speaker 6: row yeah, for in and row you're.
Speaker 3: Right, foreigner, can you Oh my gosh, for in a row?
Speaker 4: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: What kind of hell is that?
Speaker 6: Because I remember it now as a child, I was
Speaker 6: a but and so as a child, things are just
Speaker 6: fun and stupid and goofy and the Cowboys all win
Speaker 6: or why or all this stuff's happening. But now as
Speaker 6: an adult, thinking to watch a team right now lose
Speaker 6: four in a.
Speaker 3: Row, oh, it would be definat It.
Speaker 6: Would be devasttaged, devastating. I think those fans deserve a championship.
Speaker 6: I think the team has been really good, and I
Speaker 6: think they have did best quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 3: And so I'm gonna go Buffalo, Buffalo. I like it.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 5: Another fan base that is in dire need of a
Speaker 5: Super Bowl Championship got to stay within the same division
Speaker 5: the Minnesota Vikings. Can you imagine if Kyler Murray gets there,
Speaker 5: they catch lightning in a bottle and that Kevin O'Connell offense.
Speaker 5: They've got the skilled players to do it with Jefferson Addison,
Speaker 5: They've got a good offensive line, Howkinson at the tight
Speaker 5: end position, and then you've got defense. But if that
Speaker 5: that fan base again, skull Viking.
Speaker 3: I was there for two years. It's awesome and they
Speaker 3: are desperate for a championship. What are their odds?
Speaker 6: Kevin, will you look at see where Minnesota falls, because
Speaker 6: you're right, if they get I don't want to say
Speaker 6: a solid contribution because Kyler Murray needs to play well really,
Speaker 6: but I'll say seven and a half out of ten.
Speaker 6: If he plays at a seven and a half out
Speaker 6: of ten level, I think they have a real shot.
Speaker 6: They play a tough division, obviously, but Murray was really.
Speaker 3: Good rookie year, multiple Pro Bowls.
Speaker 6: We forget what what we remember is the iPad, Like,
Speaker 6: get off your iPad video, We'll.
Speaker 5: Sign you to a new contract only if you don't
Speaker 5: play video games and you watch more.
Speaker 6: And that tainted Kyler Murray to me honestly, because I'm going, oh,
Speaker 6: he doesn't really care about.
Speaker 3: The perception, wasn't that prior to when that whole thing
Speaker 3: came out.
Speaker 5: About well, because it made you feel like he didn't
Speaker 5: care about football, and then that was.
Speaker 6: Followed with injuries, so you have that, like you're saying,
Speaker 6: you feel like, oh, maybe he doesn't care, and then
Speaker 6: he gets injured, so you don't only shake that he
Speaker 6: doesn't care because he's not winning because he's not playing.
Speaker 6: But you're right, if Kyler Murray plays well, I think
Speaker 6: Minnesota has a real chance. How do you think Justin
Speaker 6: Jefferson fielder? Do you think he enjoys that he has
Speaker 6: a quarterback? And it's hard because you're a tall guy.
Speaker 3: Calimra is not a tall guy, right.
Speaker 5: I've never caught passes from anybody like outside the pocket,
Speaker 5: so I don't really know what that perspective's like.
Speaker 3: What job Justin Jefferson thinking? If you had to put
Speaker 3: yourself in his mind right now.
Speaker 5: I think you just put if you put the ball
Speaker 5: on the right spot, he's going to catch it. So
Speaker 5: I think he's going to go do his job. I
Speaker 5: think what he's encouraged by is one this guy's a veteran,
Speaker 5: he's got experience, he's won at a high level, he's
Speaker 5: played at a high level. If he can come in
Speaker 5: and establish himself as that leader and they win ball
Speaker 5: games early and often, then that takes care of it.
Speaker 5: Because I think there's so much uncertainty, and they noticed
Speaker 5: that with JJ McCarthy because of just what he's done
Speaker 5: over his first two season, which hasn't been a lot.
Speaker 3: So much in consistency.
Speaker 5: All you're looking for when you have a premiere wide receiver,
Speaker 5: and I can go back to Randy Moss or any
Speaker 5: of these guys that I've played with that they want
Speaker 5: consistency and the knowledge that the guy that playing behind
Speaker 5: center will with them the ball and if he does that,
Speaker 5: then there's encouragement there.
Speaker 3: Do you see odds are fifty to one? Were they
Speaker 3: in the nineteenth they're that low? Huhom? Is that because
Speaker 3: of the quarterback situation?
Speaker 6: I mean, now we know so the odds have fixed
Speaker 6: themselves as soon as they announced the Calamari as a starter.
Speaker 3: But I'm surprised they're that low. Yeah. Right behind him
Speaker 3: is the Bucks and commanders. Just to give an idea too, Well,
Speaker 3: the commanders there are a total unknown as well. I know.
Speaker 3: I mean just because they the Buddets are behind them, Yeah,
Speaker 3: right behind them. I was going to say one of
Speaker 3: those teams went if the Steelers are right in front
Speaker 3: of them. In Jaguars, the Steelers are in front of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I'm gonna go as my next pick, the
Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Oh this great, fike.
Speaker 6: I mean why not America would love or America would
Speaker 6: hate to see a Dallas Cowboy championship.
Speaker 3: And that's what it's all about, Like there would be
Speaker 3: a motion regardless.
Speaker 6: It's rare that we get a team that has that
Speaker 6: the Patriots had that he loved it or you hated
Speaker 6: it and most hated it after a while for sure.
Speaker 6: But I think because the Cowboys haven't won it forever
Speaker 6: and they are the most popular team, I think for
Speaker 6: the Cowboys to win a Super Bowl that would just
Speaker 6: matter good and bad. And I think that would be
Speaker 6: really fun to see a Cowboys run. I'm not Cowboys fan,
Speaker 6: so I say that as a non Cowboys fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 5: I'm going to go with the Houston Texans. Houston Texas run. Why,
Speaker 5: I know, it's one of those non sexy picks. But
Speaker 5: at the same time with that defense that they have
Speaker 5: c J.
Speaker 3: Stroud.
Speaker 5: I know that people are on the bandwagon that he
Speaker 5: needs to play better and all their stuff, but they've
Speaker 5: got a squad that compete for a championship and that
Speaker 5: would be their first ever Super Bowl as well. And
Speaker 5: I think you bring another intrigue to the NFL, because again,
Speaker 5: you always want to see other people win, and some
Speaker 5: of these organizations that never have.
Speaker 3: It would be cool to see somebody come out of the.
Speaker 5: Depths and rise and be They've been a perennial playoff
Speaker 5: team for the last what four years, and now to
Speaker 5: maybe make that next jump.
Speaker 6: I think the interesting thing about the Texans is that
Speaker 6: if they do win a Super Bowl this year, the
Speaker 6: next year, it's going to be because of defense. And
Speaker 6: this has been such an offensive league. It has been
Speaker 6: let's score as many points as possible and then figure
Speaker 6: it out on defense. But Houston's one of those few
Speaker 6: rare teams that their identity is defense and they can
Speaker 6: win any game because of their defense, no doubt. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go to Kansas City. I love a dynasty. I
Speaker 6: think people have kind of written off the Chiefs now
Speaker 6: as that's the end of that dynasty.
Speaker 3: That was fun.
Speaker 6: And then Mahomes got hurt and Travis Kelsey's old, and
Speaker 6: I think people think the Chiefs are probably over as
Speaker 6: far as being the elite, the top one to two
Speaker 6: three teams in the NFL. I like to see people
Speaker 6: and teams do great things. Even if I don't like
Speaker 6: the team, I can totally respect it. I think it's cool.
Speaker 6: Got we were lucky enough to see Michael Jordan. We
Speaker 6: were lucky enough to see the Patriots. You gotta see
Speaker 6: them closer than I did. We're lucky enough to see
Speaker 6: Lebron although his wasn't so much a dynasty, he himself.
Speaker 3: Was a bit of that. You know, four rings and
Speaker 3: these are the arguably one or two.
Speaker 6: So I like to see excellence, and the Chiefs were excellent,
Speaker 6: and I would like to see them win another one
Speaker 6: or two. I mean, the Patriots had a big gap
Speaker 6: in the middle, big gap, and while.
Speaker 5: They were going to Super Bowls, they weren't winning those
Speaker 5: super Bowls. So they were still a dominant team. But
Speaker 5: it was from two thousand and four to what fourteen
Speaker 5: was it?
Speaker 3: In a ten year gap? Ten years.
Speaker 6: That's wild thinking that now, because it just seems like
Speaker 6: they just won all the championships, a ten year gap,
Speaker 6: tenre gap.
Speaker 3: Crazy. They they'd go to eleven and nine but they
Speaker 3: didn't win Super Bowl but they lost. Yeah yeah the Giants?
Speaker 3: Or eight yeah yeah, man, so eight and twelve. So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the Chiefs. Chiefs, yep, one more pickach.
Speaker 5: And go one another underdog. I mean within the division
Speaker 5: that you're talking about, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 3: With the LA Chargers.
Speaker 5: I think that they were decimated with injuries, still were
Speaker 5: a playoff team last year. Justin Herbert is considered one
Speaker 5: of the elite quarterbacks in this league. If they stay
Speaker 5: healthy and within that division, that's going to be super competitive.
Speaker 5: And with Mike McDaniel's coming in as their offensive coordinator,
Speaker 5: I think that they have a possibility to shock people.
Speaker 5: And also if they win that division alone, they're going
Speaker 5: to be in the hunt.
Speaker 6: Do you still have the odds up? Because I'm going
Speaker 6: to take as my final pick Cincinnati. I love small
Speaker 6: market teams. I would love to say Joe Burrow stay healthy,
Speaker 6: that's the key. I would love Cincinnati, who didn't have
Speaker 6: an outdoor practice Facilly until like two years ago. To
Speaker 6: go or an indoor practice facilly, they only practice outside.
Speaker 3: We're Cincinnati twenty to one, thirteen overall, and it's such
Speaker 3: a big year for not only Joe Burrow.
Speaker 5: You know, you've got Jamar Chase, you got t Higgins,
Speaker 5: you got all these, but for the head coach as well,
Speaker 5: who I think is a good head coach. But Burrow
Speaker 5: has not stayed healthy consistently. But if they do, I
Speaker 5: mean there's a lot of pressure on that team because
Speaker 5: I think it's a winnable division this year.
Speaker 3: Did you play with Devin mccordy. I did not. I
Speaker 3: played with Jason. His brother. Jason was a cornerback for
Speaker 3: us in Tennessee for the Titans. So we have.
Speaker 6: Devin come up in a few minutes, Yeah, and so
Speaker 6: we'll talk to him. He won three Super Bowls. Pretty good,
Speaker 6: pretty good player. Not only was he All Pro at cornerback,
Speaker 6: he is also an All Pro at safety and he
Speaker 6: is a really good special teamer. The guy is just
Speaker 6: an all around stud.
Speaker 5: And I've got an opportunity to know him his brother
Speaker 5: over the years, but also his body of work speaks
Speaker 5: for itself.
Speaker 3: But then he's doing incredible things. Also in the broadcast
Speaker 3: with before we get to him. Let's do two situational awarenesses.
Speaker 3: Are you ready? Yes, I am all right. I'll give
Speaker 3: you the first one here.
Speaker 6: It's the final preseason game and you're playing with offensive
Speaker 6: lineman who might not be on the team tomorrow right
Speaker 6: as the quarterback. How nervous does that make you?
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of speculation going into the game.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5: You've gone through camp and if you're the backup quarterback
Speaker 5: and normally you do get that start, at least I
Speaker 5: did when I was in New England because the starters
Speaker 5: usually won't play that You have at least a comfort
Speaker 5: level with these guys because.
Speaker 3: You've been in the huddle with them a bunch.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, you can't let that impact
Speaker 5: your mental psyche too much.
Speaker 3: You still got to go out and execute.
Speaker 5: Because these guys are all good players, they just might
Speaker 5: not be the front line guys. In addition to that,
Speaker 5: you know, in the last preseason game, more than likely
Speaker 5: the defensive side of the ball is going to be
Speaker 5: doing the same thing. They're probably not going to be
Speaker 5: playing their stars. There was maybe one or two times
Speaker 5: we'd always play the Giants in the fourth preseason game
Speaker 5: that they had their starters play the first series, but
Speaker 5: other than that, it's normally the second line guys, and
Speaker 5: so it's kind of a fair fight at that point.
Speaker 3: All right, okay, all right, here you go.
Speaker 5: Your wife, Caitlyn's sick, so you're on full baby duty
Speaker 5: on the weekend. Are you sticking to a routine? Are
Speaker 5: you just trying to survive the weekend?
Speaker 6: This is literally the last weekend that we had, so
Speaker 6: this is exactly the story. She was sick, so she
Speaker 6: had food poisoning in the middle of the week and
Speaker 6: she got just wrecked by it. She also has a
Speaker 6: severe autoimmunity, so anytimes she gets sick, it's like that
Speaker 6: times three and it she couldn't got a bed, so
Speaker 6: she had food poisoning, which the triggered the inflammation in
Speaker 6: her body.
Speaker 3: She has a terrible autoimmune disease.
Speaker 6: So I was ninety three percent baby duty, and I
Speaker 6: tried to stay on that schedule as best as I could.
Speaker 6: I didn't always stay on it exactly sometimes.
Speaker 3: But I was. I got a low A. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: got a low A.
Speaker 6: If I were great in myself, only one nipple numb,
Speaker 6: that's the producer. Yeah, just I got one strong nip.
Speaker 6: But yeah, at this point, our baby's five months old.
Speaker 6: She also knows a bit of the routine. Not that
Speaker 6: she's pulling herself to take a nap, but she knows, okay,
Speaker 6: I'm getting sleepy Now'm rubbing my eyes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's.
Speaker 6: Kind of fun to see her her body no when
Speaker 6: it's time to also take a nap. So this actually
Speaker 6: happened this weekend. And I would give me staying on
Speaker 6: track a low ninety me as an overall twenty four
Speaker 6: hour dad or close to it, eighty two outstanding, though
Speaker 6: a low.
Speaker 3: Ninety for a whole weekend with no motherly support. As
Speaker 3: far as staying on schedule, I give myself like an
Speaker 3: eighty two grade. I give it some a B. It's
Speaker 3: still really good. Yeah. I did forget recently to just
Speaker 3: feed the baby completely, but that's a whole inner story.
Speaker 3: That's okay. You just double up the next one and
Speaker 3: let her throw again. Oliver.
Speaker 6: You know, I've heard, and I heard I said, I
Speaker 6: said the same thing, and I was even met with no,
Speaker 6: that's not all right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I did. I just wouldn't even mention that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that would be a bad deal, all right, final question
Speaker 3: for you.
Speaker 6: One of your kids says, well, Mom, lets me do
Speaker 6: it after you tell them no, are you checking with
Speaker 6: her or do you just assume they're lying?
Speaker 3: I assume they're lying.
Speaker 5: And I also say, well, Mom's not here, Dad's here,
Speaker 5: so whatever mom would say when she's here is different
Speaker 5: than what Dad's saying right now as I'm here. So
Speaker 5: we can have this argument or discussion later on when
Speaker 5: your mom gets home and she can tell me something different,
Speaker 5: but as of this moment, daddy's in charge, so save it.
Speaker 6: It feels like the question you asked me, I was
Speaker 6: comfortable answering that because it just happened. It feels like
Speaker 6: you were so comfortable with answering that because it's happened before.
Speaker 3: Oh, it happens a lot. Mom started to do it.
Speaker 5: I was like, wait, it's so far fetched that my
Speaker 5: wife would say yes to that question that I know already, Like,
Speaker 5: there's no chance she would say yes, And you're just
Speaker 5: trying to pull the wool over my eyes. And I
Speaker 5: can be very reasonable, but I'm not gullible, Okay, so
Speaker 5: don't misinterpret me being nice as soft.
Speaker 3: Does it ever happen though, where Mom actually does allow
Speaker 3: it and then you were wrong.
Speaker 5: Every now and then then they threw me for a loop.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what day did they get you on that
Speaker 5: where you said yes? Like normally I've heard you say
Speaker 5: absolutely not. I was just trying to stay in sequence
Speaker 5: with you, all right, your final question, A guest you
Speaker 5: really want says yes, but their team says, the biggest
Speaker 5: topic of conversation is off limits.
Speaker 3: Are you still doing the interview?
Speaker 6: This has happened a few times. It's happened in a
Speaker 6: scenario where I can give you a cific example because
Speaker 6: they won't care. Whenever Blake and Miranda were going through
Speaker 6: their divorce, Blake was coming in and they said, don't
Speaker 6: ask Blake about the divorce. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 6: And this is me still pretty early and new to Nashville,
Speaker 6: and Blake doesn't live here.
Speaker 3: So I did not.
Speaker 6: I didn't want to miss that interview or miss kind
Speaker 6: of I almost say introduction, but we didn't have a
Speaker 6: relationship at all, and I just wanted to move that
Speaker 6: relationship along, and so I said yes, and so I
Speaker 6: did not ask about it. And like the second thing
Speaker 6: he says to me is, yeah, I'm Randon. Now we
Speaker 6: got divorce man, that's been something because he just starts
Speaker 6: talking about it.
Speaker 3: Right. That doesn't happen every time. But I had.
Speaker 6: Chosen in that instance because I was early here, I
Speaker 6: did not have their proper relationships to say, I'll do
Speaker 6: it without asking about the big thing. If it's something
Speaker 6: that I really want to talk about, or if it's
Speaker 6: if I'm skipping it and everyone's going, why is any
Speaker 6: asking it, I would just rather not do the interview right.
Speaker 3: If it's something though.
Speaker 5: That so does that speak to the integrity of the interview, right,
Speaker 5: because everybody wants to hear everybody knows it, everybody wants.
Speaker 6: To We're kind of integrity to people count on me
Speaker 6: to have. I really, I mean, I am not Teddy Copple.
Speaker 6: So it may be if it's something though, where I
Speaker 6: feel like I'm being told how to do my job,
Speaker 6: I'm going to pass on it.
Speaker 3: There are times, though, where I.
Speaker 6: Can say, they go, hey, they don't want to talk
Speaker 6: about this, and honestly I don't want to talk about
Speaker 6: that anyway, And so that one doesn't affect me as
Speaker 6: much because I really try not to lead with my
Speaker 6: ego as much anymore. I think in my way way
Speaker 6: in secure days it's much more ego led.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: It's just I just want to have a good show
Speaker 3: or a good interview.
Speaker 6: And if they say they do not want to talk
Speaker 6: about flat earth, and I was like, well, I was
Speaker 6: never going to ask them about that anyway, I don't
Speaker 6: get offended that they don't want to talk about flat earth.
Speaker 3: So I'm good. Yea, So there's some nuance to that answer.
Speaker 6: If they say, don't talk about the biggest thing, and
Speaker 6: the biggest thing is what I want to talk about,
Speaker 6: I will not do the interview.
Speaker 3: But it's normally I'm guessing very personal stuff, right, there's yeah,
Speaker 3: but microphone.
Speaker 6: Right, when you're going through some stuff, you just you
Speaker 6: should just hide a hundred or just well, just do
Speaker 6: all your own stuff, like into a microphone, into a camera.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't have to go on.
Speaker 6: But yeah, if it's something that's really big and I
Speaker 6: don't ask and it looks like I'm a coward, I
Speaker 6: won't do the interview integrity. Who cares we're doing it's
Speaker 6: I mean, looks like I'm not longing, I.
Speaker 3: Won't feed my baby. Sometimes no one holds me to
Speaker 3: no one holds me to any standard.
Speaker 6: All Right, we're gonna break come back with three times
Speaker 6: Super Bowl champion Devin mccordy.
Speaker 3: Hey, let's welcome in.
Speaker 6: Devin mccorty, three times super Bowl champion, longtime Patriots captain.
Speaker 6: Uh really, one of the premiere, one of the smartest
Speaker 6: defensive back to his era, thirteen seasons in New England,
Speaker 6: went from first round pick to lead or the Patriots defense.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is a champion. This is your guy.
Speaker 5: Oh he's an absolute stud, all right. I mean the
Speaker 5: man that meant the legend. And thirteen seasons with what team?
Speaker 5: Devin mccordy, what's going on, buddy.
Speaker 4: What's happening?
Speaker 7: Man? You know exactly what that feels like. Thirteen seasons
Speaker 7: with Bill Belichick. Man, that was some good and bad
Speaker 7: days mixing there.
Speaker 3: But it sounds like probably more bad. I mean, more
Speaker 3: good days than bad.
Speaker 5: But the funny part is I go back to my
Speaker 5: New England days and everybody's like, what was it like
Speaker 5: winning at.
Speaker 3: Such a at such a high rate.
Speaker 5: And I said, you know what's crazy is that when
Speaker 5: we're winning, when you go in you review the film,
Speaker 5: it almost felt a lot of times like you lost
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 7: Nothing was like those Monday morning low lights. And that's
Speaker 7: what we all talked about. No matter how well you played,
Speaker 7: everyone remembered like there were one, two or three bad plays.
Speaker 7: And you sat in your seat and you were like.
Speaker 4: I hope you don't show my play. I hope you
Speaker 4: don't show up.
Speaker 7: And then as soon as the beginning of that play
Speaker 7: came up, because all of these were crazy, like.
Speaker 4: Everyone watched the film before they got in the meeting,
Speaker 4: like guys, they were into it.
Speaker 7: You'd be like, damn, here goes and he would go
Speaker 7: off on a rant rip you and then everyone would laugh.
Speaker 4: And I think that was the joy in New England.
Speaker 4: We all took it.
Speaker 7: We laughed about it, we made fund of bill when
Speaker 7: we could, and then you focused on winning the next week.
Speaker 6: At what point did you realize New England was the
Speaker 6: only place you were going to and wanted to play.
Speaker 7: Honestly, my last year, after the twenty twenty two season,
Speaker 7: I thought about continuing to play.
Speaker 4: But I was I was gonna be thirty five years.
Speaker 7: Old, and I knew New England really wasn't in the
Speaker 7: position to win, and so I, you know, started brainstorming,
Speaker 7: maybe what are some teams And that was the moment
Speaker 7: I would say probably in like that February at time
Speaker 7: where I was kind of going out, hanging out, staying
Speaker 7: out in Boston and just meeting so many younger people
Speaker 7: who were like twenty two, twenty three, and then you
Speaker 7: start to feel old because they're like, man, I've been
Speaker 7: watching you since I was twelve.
Speaker 4: It's so funny. Hey can I get you a drink?
Speaker 7: And then it kind of set in that like, hey man,
Speaker 7: this was this was my second home. I wanted to
Speaker 7: only be here as trying to, you know, hang up
Speaker 7: the cleats or retire special place, man, And very fortunate
Speaker 7: I got to do all thirteen years there.
Speaker 5: When you get drafted to the New England Patriots in
Speaker 5: the first round, you know you normally asked the question
Speaker 5: how long did it take you for the game to
Speaker 5: slow down?
Speaker 3: But obviously your rookie season was phenomenal.
Speaker 5: You had seven interceptions, You're an All Pro cornerback to
Speaker 5: start your rookie year. I mean, what why was a
Speaker 5: transition so quick for you? Did anything have to do
Speaker 5: with playing for Chiano and being in a similar system
Speaker 5: in college?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so, man, And we laughed, you know,
Speaker 7: because you know, we had a couple like young players
Speaker 7: their first year would come in and have good years
Speaker 7: and in the second year wouldn't be as good. And
Speaker 7: we said, Joe, who was like man? Once I started
Speaker 7: learning all the new England ways, I got worse as
Speaker 7: a player, and I do I think my I was young.
Speaker 4: So I didn't realize that.
Speaker 7: In my first year, the style of defense we ran
Speaker 7: really was a bunch of different calls, some man, some zone,
Speaker 7: some zone pressures. And I was a guy that loved
Speaker 7: studying the game, so I was able to benefit from that.
Speaker 7: My second year we switched to you know, single high
Speaker 7: man and man and it was a struggle. And when
Speaker 7: I was young, I wasn't piecing that together. I was
Speaker 7: just like, man, I suck. I can't figure this out.
Speaker 3: But it was.
Speaker 7: It was the change in that probably didn't fit me
Speaker 7: as well as a as an individual player, but as
Speaker 7: well was best for our team.
Speaker 4: And you know, wasn't happy when it happened.
Speaker 7: I remember when Belichick first came to me, it was like, hey,
Speaker 7: twenty eleven. He's like, Hey, you're gonna play corner on
Speaker 7: first and second down and then on third time you're
Speaker 7: gonna move to safety.
Speaker 4: I was like, what, Like, this is the dumbest thing ever.
Speaker 7: And then that next year switching to safety full time
Speaker 7: was a blessing. It fit my style, fit that defense
Speaker 7: that they were running. But it was tough and that
Speaker 7: during that transition period, that second and three year was
Speaker 7: really tough to doubts, you know, the self doubt crept in.
Speaker 4: But figuring that out it was huge obviously for my career.
Speaker 7: And you know, I think Coach Belichick saw something and
Speaker 7: me playing safety that I didn't even see in the beginning.
Speaker 3: At what point, and it could even be rookie camp,
Speaker 3: at what point did you realize you were going to
Speaker 3: contribute as quickly as you did.
Speaker 4: Probably it was in the spring when they put me
Speaker 4: in with the ones, and when you're.
Speaker 7: A rookie and I was a rookie that went to
Speaker 7: the Rutgers like we weren't playing this SEC schedule with
Speaker 7: all the big time players. So I got into huddle
Speaker 7: with giraw Mao and Vince Wilford.
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't want to mess this up.
Speaker 7: And I knew if they put me in that early,
Speaker 7: they were going to ask me to contribute somehow in
Speaker 7: some way. I didn't know it would be, you know,
Speaker 7: starting all sixteen games that year, but I knew somehow
Speaker 7: I would mix in. And then I think two weeks
Speaker 7: later our starting corner league Boughten he a had shoulder surgery,
Speaker 7: so he was out for the year and it was
Speaker 7: myself and Butler, who was in the second year.
Speaker 4: We were up and we had to play and start
Speaker 4: all the games.
Speaker 5: Talk to me about that transition from corner to safety. Obviously,
Speaker 5: playing corner has its own nuances in terms of understanding
Speaker 5: angles and all that stuff, But then you go into
Speaker 5: the backside of the defense and you're really the quarterback
Speaker 5: in the backside for the defensive backs and communication all that.
Speaker 3: Was that a tough transition or was that natural for you?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think it definitely fit my personality.
Speaker 3: But I had to adjust.
Speaker 7: Remember the first game I started at just safety, we
Speaker 7: were playing Buffalo at home and we were in a
Speaker 7: call where if the guy motioned across the ball, we
Speaker 7: were going from cover two to cover three.
Speaker 4: And when I was a corner, somebody you know, I
Speaker 4: knew it, but I would look at the safety.
Speaker 7: The safety would give me the oka A three D
Speaker 7: and when a guy moved I kind of looked at
Speaker 7: Mayo for Mayo to turn around. He never turned around,
Speaker 7: so we just played cover too, and he was like, dude,
Speaker 7: you got to make the call. And I was like, oh, damn,
Speaker 7: that is my call, all right. I got it, And
Speaker 7: I think after that I got the hang of And
Speaker 7: I think that's when I started to really shine as
Speaker 7: a leader and a captain is all of that, because,
Speaker 7: like you said, Matt, I felt that that kind of
Speaker 7: pressure of being a quarterback of the defense and lining
Speaker 7: things up and getting everybody together.
Speaker 4: So I definitely think it.
Speaker 7: Helped my leadership qualities, you know, moving to safety and
Speaker 7: becoming comfortable at that position.
Speaker 6: You talked about at the end of your career when
Speaker 6: people were like, hey, I used to watch you when
Speaker 6: I was a kid.
Speaker 3: But when you got up and.
Speaker 6: It was your rookie of your second year, who did
Speaker 6: you line up against? Where you felt like that to them, like, dang,
Speaker 6: I used to watch you when I was a kid.
Speaker 7: Oh that started. That started early training camp. You get
Speaker 7: in there and you line up and you look at
Speaker 7: it a cross and it's Randy Moss.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh, like I was sitting to how the
Speaker 4: hell did I get here?
Speaker 7: And you know, when you're young and with Randy if
Speaker 7: he was on the backside of the plane, he knew
Speaker 7: that the ball couldn't come back there. He really would
Speaker 7: like slowly come off, maybe grab you. So when you're
Speaker 7: a young player, you're like, watch this jam Randy moss Up.
Speaker 7: You feel good about it, and I'll never forget. We
Speaker 7: had two incidents when we went into the red zone
Speaker 7: for the first time, and I found out what late
Speaker 7: hands was when a receiver act likes the ball's not
Speaker 7: coming and they wait till the last minute, stick their
Speaker 7: hands out catch it. He did that to me five
Speaker 7: times in practice, and then we went to the end
Speaker 7: stadium practice and he beat me for two fifty yard
Speaker 7: bombs and it was like, Damn Brady and Billy O'Brien,
Speaker 7: they waited, drew it up for him to come on
Speaker 7: my side, crowds going crazy. That was definitely my welcome
Speaker 7: to the NFL moment, going against Randy in practice every day.
Speaker 5: You know, when you talk about the Patriot dynasty, a
Speaker 5: lot of the discussion always revolves around Belichick and Brady,
Speaker 5: but obviously, as we well know, it takes a full
Speaker 5: team effort. Can you talk about some of your favorite
Speaker 5: defenses during that time and why you guys were so dominant.
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, I think you know, starting from the beginning.
Speaker 7: I think when twenty fourteen, when we got Reevis and
Speaker 7: we got Brown and we finally won our first super Bowl,
Speaker 7: that was a cool moment because that was like, that
Speaker 7: was my contract year and it felt like all of
Speaker 7: this was coming together. But individually I was in the
Speaker 7: middle of like, Damn, I hope this still works out
Speaker 7: for me. I want to get paid, and for us
Speaker 7: to have the year we had with that defense with
Speaker 7: Vince Wolford still there, Jamie Collins, Dante Hi Tower at linebacker,
Speaker 7: like that was just I think that was one of
Speaker 7: the first times I played on a defense where I
Speaker 7: was like, damn, we're a damn good defense. And then
Speaker 7: twenty eighteen. In twenty nineteen, playing in that secondary, we
Speaker 7: had all guys who were older but still good players. Man,
Speaker 7: some of the stuff we were able to do from
Speaker 7: a scheme standpoint was so fun. The coaching staff really
Speaker 7: gave us a lot of leeway and like adjustments and everything,
Speaker 7: and we did. We spent a lot of time watching
Speaker 7: film together. Hey man, hey, I want you to go
Speaker 7: jump this route. I'm gonna play over the top. Everybody
Speaker 7: else on their own and no one else on the
Speaker 7: defense would know, and we were able to do some
Speaker 7: really fun thing that you know, I think made that
Speaker 7: season special and helped us win Super.
Speaker 4: Bowl fifty three.
Speaker 5: It's funny that you mentioned twenty fourteen defense and the
Speaker 5: adjustments that you made, because I was in Minnesota at
Speaker 5: that time, and if you remember, you came to us
Speaker 5: in week two and you guys had shown all three
Speaker 5: down leading up to that game, and we were prepared
Speaker 5: for the three four defense. Shamie Collins on the outside
Speaker 5: like you're saying, you guys show up. You guys are
Speaker 5: in four down, played Manda Man the entire game, no
Speaker 5: cover four and just routed us.
Speaker 3: It was terrible, terrible day. Do you remember that day?
Speaker 5: Because I threw you a pick early. This guy's on
Speaker 5: the opposite hash. All of a sudden, we run across
Speaker 5: crossing route right in front of his face. We have
Speaker 5: a double move post behind him, hoping that he takes
Speaker 5: that crossing route. He baseball turns, turns around, catches the
Speaker 5: interception right in the middle field.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh no.
Speaker 4: You know, we talk about low lights.
Speaker 7: So that play comes up the next day and I'm
Speaker 7: in there like, yeah, that was.
Speaker 4: A good one, like exactly what you said.
Speaker 7: And Bill I get pushed out at the one and
Speaker 7: shows the whole play and he goes, I mean a
Speaker 7: cordy like we can't we can't step out at the
Speaker 7: one yard line, like at this point, dive do something
Speaker 7: to get in the angel, like if we fumble the
Speaker 7: snap the.
Speaker 4: Next play like this is ruined and we.
Speaker 7: Shouldn't even be on offense. We should be kicking the
Speaker 7: extra point. I just put my hands up like real,
Speaker 7: like this is where we're gonna go with after that,
Speaker 7: And that was a specialty low light for me in
Speaker 7: that fourteen season.
Speaker 6: Of your three Super Bowls, did any of them feel
Speaker 6: like more relief than while we did this?
Speaker 7: I think the last one, and I think it was
Speaker 7: because we go we play the Eagles in Super Bowl
Speaker 7: fifty two, Nick Foles, you know, WinCE, it goes down
Speaker 7: and Tom has unbelievable game. He throws who are over
Speaker 7: five hundred yards and you have like, like such a
Speaker 7: letdown as a defense because it was literally like if
Speaker 7: we just could get one stop in that game, one
Speaker 7: extra stop, we win the super Bowl. So getting back
Speaker 7: it just felt like like man and like This is
Speaker 7: a relief, like we got to get back and prove that, hey,
Speaker 7: we won, you know, especially the way we won. We
Speaker 7: gave up three points in a super Bowl defensively, and
Speaker 7: I know for me individually like that that was special
Speaker 7: to be able to do that, especially you know, alongside
Speaker 7: my twin brother.
Speaker 3: As a leader.
Speaker 5: Obviously the Patriots organization was a veteran group when you
Speaker 5: came in, but throughout the years you established yourself as
Speaker 5: a captain and a leader of this team. Where does
Speaker 5: that leadership come from as you grew up and as
Speaker 5: you develop your leadership style.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think my mom. My father passed away when
Speaker 7: I was young. I was about three years old, and
Speaker 7: my mom she just ran everything and she would always
Speaker 7: kind of become whoever you needed in that moment. You know,
Speaker 7: if she needed to be a caretaker, she'd be a caretaker.
Speaker 7: If we messed up and she needed to discipline us,
Speaker 7: she would be She wouldn't hesitate to grab you up.
Speaker 7: And I think that's what I kind of learned. And
Speaker 7: then at my time in the wing when I get
Speaker 7: there as a young captain. In my second we have
Speaker 7: jirob Mail, we have Vince Wilfron, on defense. I really
Speaker 7: was charged with taking care of the younger guys, figuring
Speaker 7: out how to get you know, those guys and myself
Speaker 7: to play at a high level, become a pro. Those
Speaker 7: guys leave, I start to realize, hey man, I gotta
Speaker 7: be more vocal. I got to change the kind of
Speaker 7: leadership style that I had. And all of it was
Speaker 7: at my wheelhouse. That fit my personality. But my mom
Speaker 7: taught me. You know, my mom and Matthew Slater really
Speaker 7: taught me about servanthood, how to serve other people in leadership,
Speaker 7: how to step up.
Speaker 4: And you know, fill the roles that they need.
Speaker 3: Do you have a cool collection of jersey swamp.
Speaker 7: No, I have a few, but like I remember, it
Speaker 7: started to become popular when I was playing, maybe around
Speaker 7: like fourteen fifteen, and Bill came in the one time.
Speaker 4: He's like, I mean, I get it if you're gonna.
Speaker 7: Swap jerseys, but you know, we can go out there
Speaker 7: and we play game and we lose. I don't want
Speaker 7: to see you posing with that. That just beat us
Speaker 7: And it became famous. In that Kansas City game in
Speaker 7: twenty fourteen, Steven Ridley and Jamal Charles are posing with
Speaker 7: a jersey and Bill puts it up in a team
Speaker 7: a team meeting room the next.
Speaker 4: Day and goes off. So I have a couple guys.
Speaker 7: That you know, play safety, Eric well On, Malcolm Jenkins,
Speaker 7: A couple guys like that that you know I thought
Speaker 7: were really good players while I was playing.
Speaker 4: I was able to jersey swap with them.
Speaker 3: If you could go back and do it again.
Speaker 5: Is there one player in particular that you definitely want
Speaker 5: a jersey swap with?
Speaker 3: Two?
Speaker 4: It would be Charles what's in ed Red, no doubt about.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Did you guys have to pay every time for a
Speaker 6: new jersey for yourself though, if you gave one away?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was Bill's thing.
Speaker 7: If you give away a jersey, these jerseys take time,
Speaker 7: they get customized.
Speaker 4: If you take it, you pay for it.
Speaker 3: What was that costing? Do you know? Do you guys
Speaker 3: know how much it cost? I have no idea. They
Speaker 3: just charge you and not even tell you. I think
Speaker 3: payroll the dope. That's what the exactly well you get
Speaker 3: it for Fika. We don't know what it is or
Speaker 3: why they're taking that much.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're now in the phase of training camp where
Speaker 8: you got these joint practices that are going on.
Speaker 3: Did you get a.
Speaker 5: Lot of value out of those joint practices?
Speaker 7: I did, Man, I enjoyed it, and I think it's
Speaker 7: different for the skill positions because we're.
Speaker 4: Still not like banging our heads and going after it.
Speaker 7: But it allowed us to see different receivers and tight ends,
Speaker 7: to see different quarterbacks. I remember my rookie year, our
Speaker 7: first joint practice was Drew Brees, So I went from
Speaker 7: practice against Brady to now practice against Drew Brees, Like
Speaker 7: you can't find a better look, but also different and
Speaker 7: you know how they are in the pocket once tall,
Speaker 7: ones shorter, So just being able to do that and
Speaker 7: see different offices, I always felt like help prepare us
Speaker 7: for the year. So I used to love the joint practice,
Speaker 7: especially if we could play enough snaps in joint practice
Speaker 7: and not have to play in a preseason game.
Speaker 4: I was all part of that.
Speaker 6: As I got older, how often did you guys go
Speaker 6: in practice ones versus ones?
Speaker 3: Meaning did you go against Brady a lot in practice?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Bill felt like training camp was all about a
Speaker 4: heavyweight fight. It should be.
Speaker 7: Haymaker after Haymaker, first offense, first defense, going after it,
Speaker 7: getting after it, and then eventually even you know, even
Speaker 7: within the season, we would still do a seven off
Speaker 7: seventh period all. He used to call it good on
Speaker 7: good and we'd be like week sixteen and he would
Speaker 7: just want to, you know, rep our kind of based
Speaker 7: stuff just to make sure we stayed on top of it.
Speaker 7: And you know, I always thought that was good because again,
Speaker 7: well you play with Brady, like, all those reps you
Speaker 7: get against him, I don't care who you're playing on
Speaker 7: Sunday is definitely gonna help you.
Speaker 5: How involved was Bill Belichick in your day to day
Speaker 5: in terms of being in your a defensive back room
Speaker 5: and being able to break down the offensive unit and
Speaker 5: kind of give you a little nuance that this scheme
Speaker 5: might present.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had two years where he was in our
Speaker 7: meeting room every day two and ten and twenty nineteen
Speaker 7: until like maybe week thirteen, and then he kind of
Speaker 7: backed out and Steven Gerrod took over. But those years,
Speaker 7: like my rookie year, he was our defensive coordinator basically,
Speaker 7: and I just was so blown away because the dude
Speaker 7: would coach everybody. He would start Kasha outside linebacker on
Speaker 7: get off, Coachha defensive tackles on hands, could see COACHHA
Speaker 7: linebackers hey don't go in there with this shoulder, just
Speaker 7: go blow bliss whole play up. And then he would
Speaker 7: get on the secondary about communication and steps, and I
Speaker 7: used to be like, damn, Like this guy is so
Speaker 7: well equipped to coach everything I tell people now working
Speaker 7: on TV and football that all came from being in
Speaker 7: a meeting room and watching him coach every position. And
Speaker 7: I was like, damn, I learned something about playing offensive
Speaker 7: line and I never thought I would know. And now
Speaker 7: you can actually talk about those things because you said
Speaker 7: all those Bill Belichick meetings.
Speaker 3: If we go back to the Super Bowl against Atlanta,
Speaker 3: you're down twenty eight to three, like like what's being
Speaker 3: said on the sideline.
Speaker 7: Man, it was one of those things where everyone was
Speaker 7: trying to be encouraging. I think while like trying to
Speaker 7: be encouraging, you were also trying to encourage yourself.
Speaker 4: Hey man, one play at a time. Hey, we're gonna
Speaker 4: get it going, don't.
Speaker 7: And you know the truth is when we came out
Speaker 7: it was twenty one to three and a half. We
Speaker 7: went out there defensively, we went three and out, And
Speaker 7: that was the plan in the locker room, Hey go
Speaker 7: three and out, offense, go down to score and it's
Speaker 7: a brand new game.
Speaker 4: We go three and out.
Speaker 7: I think the offense either went three and out or
Speaker 7: they got one first down Atlanta gainst the ball back.
Speaker 7: I think in like five or six plays they score
Speaker 7: another touchdown.
Speaker 3: I think that's when.
Speaker 7: We really turned into, hey, man, let's just play for
Speaker 7: a guy next to you.
Speaker 4: This was a special season.
Speaker 7: We had different guys that came in that locker room
Speaker 7: that year that I thought were very unique. Martella's been
Speaker 7: at Chris Long. Let's play for those guys. They haven't
Speaker 7: been able to win a lot in their career. And
Speaker 7: then next thing you know, a few plays happened and
Speaker 7: the whole game turned around.
Speaker 5: What was more stressful that game, because it seems like
Speaker 5: in the second half you're just like, hey, screw it,
Speaker 5: let the cards fall where they may. But then you've
Speaker 5: also got the Seattle Super Bowl right where they're going
Speaker 5: down there, what second and goal and Malcolm Butler steps
Speaker 5: in front of that play. But the stress on the
Speaker 5: defensive side of the ball, it's got to be at
Speaker 5: the utmost.
Speaker 7: No doubt about it. That's Seattle Super Bowl forty nine.
Speaker 7: Way more stress. We went out there in a second
Speaker 7: half and we were like, hey, let's just keep people
Speaker 7: watching the game, Like, let's make sure they don't turn
Speaker 7: and go watch something else where. In that Seattle Super Bowl,
Speaker 7: we're like, man, somebody make up play. One person made
Speaker 7: one play and his game's over and the ball gets
Speaker 7: all the way down to a one yard line and
Speaker 7: Malcolm makes that play.
Speaker 4: And that was after I lost Super forty six to
Speaker 4: the Giant.
Speaker 7: So when Curse made that catch, I was like, ah,
Speaker 7: here we go again, another.
Speaker 4: Tough loss, Like this sucks. And for mauc to make that,
Speaker 4: I mean, incredible play.
Speaker 3: When Brady leaves, how does that change the locker round?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 7: I used to tell people this all the time. The
Speaker 7: unique thing about New England was Brady was coachable. Brady
Speaker 7: allowed Bill to coach him harder than anybody else. And
Speaker 7: in our league you do as a player, you can
Speaker 7: decide not to be coachable, and it ruins the whole team.
Speaker 4: So when he left, we.
Speaker 7: Lost that example of Bill being able to dig into somebody,
Speaker 7: get after him and watch that person rise and to
Speaker 7: just follow that person. And I think even for Bill
Speaker 7: it was an adjustment. I got cursed out a little
Speaker 7: bit more. Matthew Slater got a little bit more, but
Speaker 7: nobody was that measuring stick the way Tom was.
Speaker 4: It was definitely a big blow.
Speaker 7: Losing a guy like him, because even with Cam coming
Speaker 7: in and how special of a player Cam was throughout
Speaker 7: his career, it just the way Bill handled him was
Speaker 7: different than how he handled Tom. He had Tom since
Speaker 7: he was a rook there was just some built in
Speaker 7: trust of how he could attack him.
Speaker 4: That was just different once he left.
Speaker 5: What do you think of the New England Patriots right now?
Speaker 5: Obviously coming off the success that they had last year?
Speaker 5: Mike grables first season, Drake May, But what do you
Speaker 5: project for them this season? Because you wouldn't you say
Speaker 5: that they are a better football team at this point.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they've improved from last year and what
Speaker 7: they did this offseason. It's so funny because last year,
Speaker 7: being up there doing the preseason games, it was like, man,
Speaker 7: if we just getting nine wins, we're ahead of schedule.
Speaker 7: Next you know, you look up, you're in a super Bowl.
Speaker 7: And now this year everybody's like, man, we need to
Speaker 7: make sure we win the division. We got to get
Speaker 7: back to the super Bowl. And how fast things change.
Speaker 7: But I do I think they're better equipped. The amount
Speaker 7: of weapons they have being up there watching train camp,
Speaker 7: the receivers, everybody. So I do I think they'll be better.
Speaker 7: I don't think their record will be better than last year,
Speaker 7: but I do think they'll be more equipped to try
Speaker 7: to win and play, you know, winning football in playoffs
Speaker 7: this year, because, again, we all got to be honest,
Speaker 7: the road to the super Bowl was a lot easier
Speaker 7: last year than it will be this year. So they'll
Speaker 7: have to be better.
Speaker 4: But that might not show up in our in our
Speaker 4: overall record.
Speaker 3: How's the TV clothing allowance? Man, it's as not as
Speaker 3: high as I thought it would be.
Speaker 7: I'm reaching into a little bit of that football money
Speaker 7: to make sure my mom's.
Speaker 4: Not disappointed and my Sunday night clothes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was on that college football the Saturday the Big
Speaker 5: ten Saturday Night.
Speaker 3: I was like, so, do we have a little budget here?
Speaker 5: No budget for that show at all, so you're definitely
Speaker 5: coming out of pocket.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had, I.
Speaker 7: Had, I had one budget for the four years now
Speaker 7: one time, one time I had a budget one year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, went in of the deal yet worked out of
Speaker 5: the deal. How's it been working with Mike Tomlin. I
Speaker 5: know you guys are getting ready to start season, all
Speaker 5: that stuff. He's the new face of Sunday night football.
Speaker 5: What's that been like? Man, he's been awesome.
Speaker 7: He's so open and willing to talk about any of
Speaker 7: the topics and I think people will see once we
Speaker 7: go on and want air.
Speaker 4: But like the fun happens.
Speaker 7: You know, we were now out in Canton, you know,
Speaker 7: Tuesday leading into the Thursday game, Tuesday night, Wednesday night.
Speaker 7: The story is being told over dinner or grabbing a drink. Like,
Speaker 7: just hanging out with him has been a lot of fun.
Speaker 7: He's one of those coaches that I didn't get to
Speaker 7: play for, but he was in my top like two
Speaker 7: or three of like if I'm not in New England,
Speaker 7: I want to play for Tony Dungee or Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 7: Like those were some of the guys that you would
Speaker 7: have loved to play for, especially as a defensive player.
Speaker 4: So it's been really cool getting to know him, being
Speaker 4: around him.
Speaker 6: Do you feel a bit it'll be like saving for sure,
Speaker 6: even Belichick a bit where we think if Tomlin as
Speaker 6: the guy who's given us the press conferences that weren't
Speaker 6: there weren't a lot said. But now that he's able
Speaker 6: to not be the coach. He's gonna be someone who's
Speaker 6: a little more demonstrative, someone who's a little more animated,
Speaker 6: Like we're gonna find that from him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and this dude has he just has a way
Speaker 7: with words, these slogans. Like we talked about heines Ward
Speaker 7: and he was like, heines Ward, you know, he should
Speaker 7: be in the Hall of Fame predator, not pray.
Speaker 4: Not many receivers are predators. And you sit there and
Speaker 4: you're like, damn, Like, I see what you did there?
Speaker 4: Like that that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 7: So I think he's gonna have a lot of those
Speaker 7: that really relate to the viewer who's watching, who might
Speaker 7: not know a lot about football, might not know heines
Speaker 7: Ward at all, but they get that picture. And I
Speaker 7: think he's really good at paying that picture with his words.
Speaker 5: You know, you talked about the Hall of Fame and
Speaker 5: I want to go to the Hall of Fame speeches
Speaker 5: real quick, in particular Adam Vinteri and what you thought
Speaker 5: of his speech, just based on the fact that he
Speaker 5: went he went full Haywire on everybody.
Speaker 4: For one, I gotta say, like before I got to
Speaker 4: New England, you know all you guys, you know you you, Bleed,
Speaker 4: Selvi and Itza.
Speaker 7: What I've been impressed with is all of you guys,
Speaker 7: when you've gotten a mic in front of you have
Speaker 7: been tacular and post career like being around Bledsoe talking
Speaker 7: to him and then watching Vinitary up there and you're like,
Speaker 7: all right, Venitaria is a kicker in New England. He's
Speaker 7: probably like pretty serious, gets up there to back a
Speaker 7: few joke and then the just the hammer of throwing
Speaker 7: Bill in there again. I don't know if I'm going
Speaker 7: to bring up Bill and his girlfriend on my dame.
Speaker 7: I'm going out to the Pro Football Hall of Fame,
Speaker 7: but he went there. Probably not my style. But I've
Speaker 7: been so impressed by all you guys. When you get
Speaker 7: in front of a microphone, you guys, you could tell
Speaker 7: that lockerom was a lot of fun back in the day.
Speaker 3: My final question, how'd you know when it was time
Speaker 3: to hang it up?
Speaker 7: I think as a player, when you start thinking out
Speaker 7: there on the football field, and I had a couple
Speaker 7: of those times of like, ah, man, I feel like
Speaker 7: I used to make that play.
Speaker 4: Oh feels like I'm a little slower.
Speaker 7: Or you go play on a random Sunday and you
Speaker 7: feel like your legs don't work and it's just an
Speaker 7: all out battle each and every week. Started to feel
Speaker 7: out towards the end of my career, especially that last year,
Speaker 7: and then the last thing that came to my mind
Speaker 7: was right before Edelman, the last year he played. We
Speaker 7: were walking out, we were walking down the hallway and
Speaker 7: he was like, hey, man, do you ever get that
Speaker 7: feeling of like we're just not playing with the boys anymore?
Speaker 7: He was like, we had a run where it felt
Speaker 7: like man Us and the boys, like the guys that
Speaker 7: like we were just with year after year. We were
Speaker 7: just chasing this thing and it was so much fun.
Speaker 7: He's like, man, it just starts to feel like.
Speaker 4: All the boys are gone. And that stuck with me
Speaker 4: because we got lucky.
Speaker 7: I played in New England with Patrick Chung I think
Speaker 7: for eight or nine years, Darron Harmon eight years, like
Speaker 7: the Slater thirteen years, Edelman twelve year. Like you played
Speaker 7: with these guys for so long you kind of forget
Speaker 7: like this isn't normal. So when I started to really
Speaker 7: get that feeling at the end, I was like, man,
Speaker 7: it's time to go join a new team, go home
Speaker 7: with the family and be fully a part of that
Speaker 7: team more than being a part in the New England Patriots.
Speaker 5: Has the transition been incredible though, since you did finally
Speaker 5: decide to retire to be around the kids and be
Speaker 5: home and be present and while doing your career obviously
Speaker 5: in the media, but just that transition of being home
Speaker 5: and being present around the family.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: Before we got on, we talked about youth football starting.
Speaker 7: I'm out there on the field coaching the kids up,
Speaker 7: and I think that's been a really cool part because
Speaker 7: when I remember when I was young and I got
Speaker 7: into an NFL, everyone tells you make it last as long.
Speaker 3: Once it's over, it's over.
Speaker 4: It's no fun after it's over, And for me, it's
Speaker 4: been the opposite. Like I've enjoyed everything from.
Speaker 7: TV to being with the kids to vacations, Like it's
Speaker 7: been this chapter in life, like I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 4: The year I retired, I went, you know, going to
Speaker 4: the games.
Speaker 7: I was like, oh, like, I don't even want to
Speaker 7: think about playing football anymore.
Speaker 4: I don't want to think about sending a meeting.
Speaker 7: So it was time for me, and I think that's
Speaker 7: allowed me to really enjoy retirement.
Speaker 6: Well, I can't wait to see your face on TV
Speaker 6: again for two reasons. One because you're really good. You
Speaker 6: and your brother are both really good. But to to football,
Speaker 6: which is right.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're ready, it's it's now. We're going through
Speaker 3: the desert. We're begging for water. We just need it.
Speaker 6: So we really appreciate the time he's been with us. Devin,
Speaker 6: thank you so much. I really loved watching you play,
Speaker 6: and then I love watching you on NBC now, So
Speaker 6: thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Any time. Man, I appreciate you guys having me all.
Speaker 3: Thanks sevn Yeah, we got lots.
Speaker 4: Just say.
Speaker 6: Okay before we leave for the day. There was a
Speaker 6: video posted last week on Instagram that featured an archive
Speaker 6: TV clip of Southern California's top senior quarterbacks heading into
Speaker 6: the nineteen ninety nine season.
Speaker 3: Oh from my area and would you mind hitting that?
Speaker 6: Please take a look at the quarterbacks of the Class
Speaker 6: two thousand.
Speaker 3: Matt Castle. This kid always has a grin on his
Speaker 3: bake and he usually ends up in the end zone
Speaker 3: headed the USC. One of our favorite players. He's very
Speaker 3: clear for it. He's a throwback Samuel Ball type. Sound
Speaker 3: Paul huge. It's six five, two twenty not afraid the
Speaker 3: tucked the ball under his arm and run. Had eleven
Speaker 3: touchdowns this year. He's just a true leader.
Speaker 7: He's going to be a field general for years to
Speaker 7: come for the Trojans.
Speaker 3: Oh what a great clip. Guys. Can you send that
Speaker 3: to me so I can watch it. Oh fantastic. Let's
Speaker 3: be honest. You went in with a coach that recruited you,
Speaker 3: and then that coach was no longer there. Yes, he
Speaker 3: did leave after my freshman year.
Speaker 6: Yes, so this is not the case of you going
Speaker 6: and having everything in your favor and you not living
Speaker 6: up to it.
Speaker 3: Did They changed completely? They changed. Pete Carroll came in
Speaker 3: love great guy, great coach, great guy.
Speaker 5: He also went in that first year and recruited I
Speaker 5: think we brought in three quarterbacks that year that he
Speaker 5: wanted from his rea.
Speaker 3: You weren't his guy, No, I was not his guy,
Speaker 3: but I became his guy. Just a guy that nothing
Speaker 3: he didn't want to start.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you were ranked the eighth quarterback
Speaker 6: in the nation.
Speaker 3: ESPN analyst Tom Limming, Oh thanks, Tom, what were you
Speaker 3: ranked in your mind? I have no idea. Well, you
Speaker 3: act like it was low. I thought you answer good?
Speaker 3: Thanks Tom. Let me you were. You were also the
Speaker 3: team starting punter.
Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I punted. I played starting safety. I would
Speaker 5: go up and bring the wood a little bit, so
Speaker 5: I played. Yeah, I played a lot.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I'd kick field goals if we needed to. Really. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you were.
Speaker 6: An all city selection of football and baseball and had
Speaker 6: seven rbs with two home runs in a single game.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I was a good baseball player. Yeah, college too.
Speaker 3: So I know.
Speaker 5: The funny part about college, though, is all I did
Speaker 5: during during college. I mean during high school was played
Speaker 5: first base, third base, and hit.
Speaker 3: I didn't pitch it.
Speaker 5: I didn't pitch in high school, even though I felt
Speaker 5: like I could, But I thought the quickest way on
Speaker 5: the team at USC was to go out and pitch
Speaker 5: because my arm was in shape.
Speaker 3: So I just went out in there and pitched.
Speaker 5: Because I knew sequencing, hitting and all that stuff takes time,
Speaker 5: and I didn't have time. I'd like two weeks to
Speaker 5: convince this coach, coach Gillspie, to let me come on
Speaker 5: the baseball team. He's like, well, what position you want
Speaker 5: to play? I know you're a hitter in high school.
Speaker 5: I was like, no, I think I could pitch. So
Speaker 5: then they set up that bullpen, went through as hard
Speaker 5: as I possibly could, ended up making the team, and
Speaker 5: the rest is history.
Speaker 3: Do you know what you threw velocity wise? Oh?
Speaker 5: Probably ninety eight? No, no chance. You know back then
Speaker 5: like hitting ninety two, yeah, was good. So I think
Speaker 5: I was right around there. Ninety one ninety two two.
Speaker 3: Homes of a single game. Do you remember that game?
Speaker 3: I thought I had multiple two run home runs? Oh,
Speaker 3: you might have. That's just what we pulled. That's just what
Speaker 3: they said.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of what game that would be
Speaker 5: when I hit two home runs. I should remember this.
Speaker 5: But you know, like I said, when you rake the
Speaker 5: way I do, you know?
Speaker 3: Home runs nine dozen, another dime a dozen, another day,
Speaker 3: another day.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you guys listening as always, thanks to Devin mccordy.
Speaker 3: That is the great Matt Castle. That's Kickoff Kevin. That's
Speaker 3: Brandon Ray. I'm Bobby Bones. We've had lots to say.
Speaker 6: We'll see you guys next week by play.
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