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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Gwyneth Paltrow. The first thing

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Speaker 1: I would ask her on cross examination is did you

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Speaker 1: always been a rumor circulating that Winona Ryder had that

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Speaker 1: and she ended up playing the lead role. Is it true?

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Speaker 1: Don't know, but I would like to ask her that

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Speaker 1: profile lawyer out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, also an entertainment lawyer,

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, Darryl what do you make of Gwyneth Paltrow

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Speaker 1: taking a three hundred thousand dollars claim all the way

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Speaker 1: to a trial? Nancy, It's really hard to say. It

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Speaker 1: might be Ego. It may be that she doesn't do

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Speaker 1: as well with Goop as she wants to do, and

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Speaker 1: she wants people to see what she's doing Goop. Goop

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Speaker 1: is Gwyneth Paltrow's online website and it's valued at around

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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars. So what were you

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Speaker 1: saying about it not doing as well as she would

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Speaker 1: the person or persons who want to buy it. I'm

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Speaker 1: saying it is possible that it's not doing what it

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Speaker 1: more publicity and backdoor. Oh by the way, I also

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Speaker 1: am the Goop person. Okay, looked at the items on Goop.

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Speaker 1: But I hope my daughter never finds out about Goop

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Speaker 1: because this is so expensive. WHOA a sex pillow is

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Speaker 1: ninety five dollars, A tiny little oh my goodness, a

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Speaker 1: tiny little spray bottle named Psychic Vampire Repellent Spray, an

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Speaker 1: aromatic spray for twenty seven dollars, and it's called Psychic

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Speaker 1: Vampire Repellent Repellent spray. Well, there goes twenty seven dollars. Okay,

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Speaker 1: It's just it goes on and on and on. One

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Speaker 1: necklace one hundred and forty nine dollars. There's just so

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Speaker 1: it's like one hundred and twenty five dollars. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of money in my mind for face cream. But

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Speaker 1: that's not what the trial is about. You want to

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Speaker 1: All right. So this is Park City. Here's some chat

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Speaker 1: for forty eight dollars just now. You can get it

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Speaker 1: at Dollars Tree for one dollar. Okay, sorry, just had

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Speaker 1: to just lip bomb forty What did I say, Jackie?

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Speaker 1: Forty eight dollars? Okay, I'm gonna date you with more

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Speaker 1: important facts as it relates to the gate website. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know it could be more disturbing than that,

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Speaker 1: but go ahead with a ski crash, all right. So

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Speaker 1: she's at Park City, she's on a green run, she's

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Speaker 1: with her family, she's also with the instructor, and according

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Speaker 1: to her, as she's skiing, a optometrist who happens to

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Speaker 1: green run somehow or another. She was looking up the slope,

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Speaker 1: also apparently said, hey, I'm famous Gwyneth Paltrow. So at

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Speaker 1: kind of simple and kind of stupid. Initially, Park City

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Speaker 1: as we all know, when you ski, there's a disclaimer

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Speaker 1: Nothing like that, and you do ski at your own risk.

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Speaker 1: One of the podcasts associated with her is The Art

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Speaker 1: half of the people that think, oh, I love Gwyneth

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Speaker 1: Palace her. She's an awesome movie star. So how's that

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Speaker 1: going to work? You're the entertainment lawyer. Well, Nancy, there's

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Speaker 1: something else to take into consideration, in my view, and

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Speaker 1: she can. She's a very glamorous person. If you watched

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. You know another facet is this and I'm

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Speaker 1: But they're gonna need witnesses that are not family members.

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Speaker 1: But let's think about other celebrity lawsuit targets like Oprah Winfrey.

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Speaker 1: so kind of split the Shakespeare. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: really sort of split. Maybe it's like Shakespeare saying it's

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Speaker 1: How do you think that? Because I think those people

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Speaker 1: that there's an inherent danger, and some people just get hurt.

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Speaker 1: There are others like Sonny Bono that lost his head

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Speaker 1: I just had a thought, Okay, what about this? I

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Speaker 1: I agree. Did you remember how Alex Murdo got hammered

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Speaker 1: who's going to call her. But then the opposing counsel says,

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Speaker 1: you lie? And she'll say no, and he'll say, really, well,

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Speaker 1: Park City. Good Bye, Darrel Cohen, entertainment lawyer. By Nance

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Speaker 1: my buddy