WEBVTT - Blood River

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<v Speaker 1>Col Zone media.

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<v Speaker 2>On December sixteenth, nineteen fifty six, all over South Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>people gathered in city squares and event halls. Children's choirs performed,

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<v Speaker 2>congregations gathered to sing hymns, and whole towns turned out

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<v Speaker 2>to hear speeches from civic leaders and church elders. They

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<v Speaker 2>barbecued and picnicked. They made a whole weekend of it,

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<v Speaker 2>with parades led by mounted police and festivals headlined by

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<v Speaker 2>government officials. All over the country, people attending events in

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<v Speaker 2>their own towns tuned in to hear the Prime Minister's speech.

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<v Speaker 2>In Krugersdorp, a judge addressing the crowd in Jermyston urged

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<v Speaker 2>Africaners not to forsake God by tolerating communism, saying quote,

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere is the cry for equality of whites and non whites,

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<v Speaker 2>and everywhere it is fanned by communism. In Freddorp, a

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<v Speaker 2>speaker waxed poetic on the noble character of their Dutch

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<v Speaker 2>pioneer forefathers, saying quote, they were neither conquerors nor oppressors.

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<v Speaker 2>They always followed a determined policy towards the barbarians. In Vadfal,

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<v Speaker 2>a member of parliament gave a speech about the importance

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<v Speaker 2>of apartheid, that it was in fact a kindness allowing

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<v Speaker 2>the races to live and let live, retaining their racial

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<v Speaker 2>identities by avoiding race mixing. That speaker mc botha would

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<v Speaker 2>later help design and implement the administration of the Bantustans,

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<v Speaker 2>and that day he told the crowd that apartheid had

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<v Speaker 2>a far more positive outlook than something like segregation. In

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<v Speaker 2>Kempton Park, theologian Petras Dreyer warned that there could be

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<v Speaker 2>no middle ground. Economic integration inevitably leads to social integration,

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<v Speaker 2>which always ends in blood mixing. Apartheid was still young

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty six, the system was still being constructed.

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<v Speaker 2>Dryer predicted a complete disappearance of the white race if

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<v Speaker 2>the country failed to quickly adopt total and complete apartheid.

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<v Speaker 2>That celebration, the one in Kempton Park, was presided over

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<v Speaker 2>by festival chair William Henry Huggett. He'd been the mayor

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<v Speaker 2>of the city for several years in the early fifties,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was on the board of his local branch

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<v Speaker 2>of the National Party. The newspaper write up about the

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<v Speaker 2>event mentions him only briefly, I couldn't even tell you

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<v Speaker 2>if mister Huggett gave a speech, But I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 2>bet that they're in the audience listening to those warnings

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<v Speaker 2>of impending racial annihilation. Was his daughter, a twelve year

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<v Speaker 2>old Monica Huggett Hunger And this it's weird, little guys.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a story about religious fervor. It's about myth

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<v Speaker 2>and legend and racial holy war. It's a story of

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<v Speaker 2>very modern bombings and treason convictions and planned assassinations. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's a story rooted in history. So first, if you'll

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<v Speaker 2>indulge me a bit of history. December sixteenth is a

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<v Speaker 2>significant day for South Africans. Today it's celebrated as Reconciliation Day,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't always a day of peace. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty one, the newly formed paramilitary Arm of the African

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<v Speaker 2>National Congress and Konto Wi Sizwey announced their existence with

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<v Speaker 2>a series of bomb blasts and leaflets declaring quote, the

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<v Speaker 2>time comes in the life of any nation where there

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<v Speaker 2>remains only two choices, submit or fight. That time has

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<v Speaker 2>now come to South Africa. We shall not submit, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have no choice but to hit back by all

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<v Speaker 2>means within our power in defense of our people. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty, the South African Communist Party held a nationwide

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<v Speaker 2>protest encouraging black South Africans to publicly burn their past books,

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<v Speaker 2>the internal passports black people were required to carry at

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<v Speaker 2>all times. At a passbook burning rally in Durban, police

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<v Speaker 2>attacked demonstrators, killing A and C organizer Johannes and Kosi.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twelve, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Series of police raids were carried out, rounding up four

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<v Speaker 2>men accused of treason and a plot to assassinate President Jacobsuma.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason that all of these things happened on

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<v Speaker 2>December sixteenth is the same. It's the same reason those

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<v Speaker 2>crowds gathered in city squares all over the country in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty six. Until the holiday was repurposed as Reconciliation

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<v Speaker 2>Day in nineteen ninety five, it was celebrated as the

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<v Speaker 2>Day of the Vow. The holiday occupies a place of

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<v Speaker 2>great importance in the political ideology of the africaner nationalist.

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<v Speaker 2>In the eighteen thirties, Dutch speaking settlers in the British

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<v Speaker 2>controlled colony at the Cape of Good Hope began migrating

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<v Speaker 2>north away from British rule of course, the land north

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<v Speaker 2>of the British Colony wasn't empty, and these exploratory missions

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<v Speaker 2>often came into conflict with the African people whose land

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to settle on. In eighteen thirty seven, one

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<v Speaker 2>of those bands of Dutch pioneers, known as the Fore Trekkers,

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<v Speaker 2>set their sights on a bit of land in what

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<v Speaker 2>is now Quasulu Natal. They approached the Zulu king Dingane

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<v Speaker 2>an attempt to negotiate, stating a desire to live in

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<v Speaker 2>peace with the Zulu, but noting that they had been

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<v Speaker 2>victorious in prior conflicts with Zulu warriors. The negotiations did

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<v Speaker 2>not go well. Dingane was understandably cautious in dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>the Fort Trekkers. Earlier treks north had brought the settlers

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<v Speaker 2>into violent conflict with the indigenous people they encountered, and

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<v Speaker 2>their proposal just wasn't consistent with.

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<v Speaker 1>The way the Zulu lived.

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<v Speaker 2>The Fort Trekers wanted a written contract for ownership of

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<v Speaker 2>the land in perpetuity. Neither of these things were possible

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<v Speaker 2>in Zulu society. Theirs was an oral culture. There were

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<v Speaker 2>no written treaties or contracts, and their customs and laws

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<v Speaker 2>didn't allow for the permanent transfer of ownership of land

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<v Speaker 2>held by the king. In February of eighteen thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>a four treker delegation led by Petretif met with Dinghane

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<v Speaker 2>to sign the treaty. There are conflicting accounts as to

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<v Speaker 2>whether this treaty was actually signed, but ding Ghane clearly

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<v Speaker 2>had no intention of giving the Dutch settlers any land.

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<v Speaker 2>The entire delegation was led to a nearby hillside and killed.

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<v Speaker 2>There were retaliatory attacks and skirmishes throughout the year, but

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<v Speaker 2>the settlers spent most of eighteen thirty eight regrouping. Farmers

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<v Speaker 2>from the Cape Colony were called up as reinforcements, and

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<v Speaker 2>the bit of history that matters here came at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the year, the Battle of Blood River. In

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<v Speaker 2>December of eighteen thirty eight, Andres Pretorius led a caravan

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<v Speaker 2>of fifty seven ox carts and four hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 2>four trekker men into Zulu territory. The four trekkers were

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<v Speaker 2>armed with guns, and the caravan had several cannons. The

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<v Speaker 2>battle began at dawn on December sixteenth. A surviving member

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<v Speaker 2>of the Zulu forces said their first charge was mown

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<v Speaker 2>down like grass by the musket fire. The Zulu had

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<v Speaker 2>an overwhelming numerical advantage, accounts very widely putting the number

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<v Speaker 2>at at least nine thousand, with some estimates ranging as

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<v Speaker 2>high as thirty thousand, but the Fort Trekkers had a

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<v Speaker 2>strong defensive position and they had artillery. By noon, three

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<v Speaker 2>thousand Zulu warriors were dead. The Fort Trekkers had not

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<v Speaker 2>lost a single man in the Battle of Blood River.

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<v Speaker 2>There is, of course, no river with such a hideous name.

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<v Speaker 2>The battle was fought on the banks of the Encome River,

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<v Speaker 2>but on the day three thousand Zulu men were slain

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<v Speaker 2>in a matter of hours. The river is said to

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<v Speaker 2>have run red with their blood.

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<v Speaker 1>That much is true.

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<v Speaker 2>The Battle of Blood River was fought on December sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen thirty eight. The Day of the Vow, however, celebrates

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<v Speaker 2>a possibly apocryphal vow sworn by Andres Pretorius that if

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<v Speaker 2>God would deliver them a victory against the Zulu, their

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<v Speaker 2>descendants would forever keep that day as a holy sabbath.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't, not until many decades later, anyway. Leonard Thompson,

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<v Speaker 2>an English historian who led Yale's Southern African Research program,

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<v Speaker 2>posits that the Day of the Vow is political mythology,

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of history that was resurrected and embellished when

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<v Speaker 2>it was politically expedient. There is some kernel of truth.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a contemporary account in the journals of Pretorius's secretary,

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<v Speaker 2>General Jan Bantis, that one week before the battle, Pretorius

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<v Speaker 2>called his senior officers to his tent and asked them

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<v Speaker 2>to pray to God for victory. And he promised that

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<v Speaker 2>if they were victorious, he would build a church to

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<v Speaker 2>commemorate it. And they did win, and he did build

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<v Speaker 2>that church, thus fulfilling the only portion of that promise

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<v Speaker 2>that we have any record of. For decades, white South

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<v Speaker 2>Africans did not keep December sixteenth as a holy sabbath.

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<v Speaker 2>An eighteen seventy seven text by a South African nationalist theologian,

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<v Speaker 2>contains a history of the battle, but it makes no

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<v Speaker 2>mention at all of any vow or of divine intervention.

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<v Speaker 2>The story re emerged in the late eighteen hundreds amidst

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<v Speaker 2>the Boer Wars, and in eighteen eighty a ceremony was

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<v Speaker 2>held to renew the covenant, and in this ceremony they

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<v Speaker 2>tied the story of the four treker victory over Black

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<v Speaker 2>Africans to the present struggle for national identity against the

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<v Speaker 2>British Empire. There were sporadic celebrations of the holiday in

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<v Speaker 2>the last few decades of the nineteenth century, and the

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<v Speaker 2>story was evolving as a sort of founding myth. God

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<v Speaker 2>wanted the Africaner to have the land. God wanted whites

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<v Speaker 2>to conquer Black Africans. God gave the Afrikaaner of this

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<v Speaker 2>land because they were God's chosen people. When South Africa

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<v Speaker 2>gained independence in nineteen ten, one of the first acts

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<v Speaker 2>of Parliament was to make the Day of the Covenant

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<v Speaker 2>a national holiday. In nineteen thirty eight, at the celebration

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<v Speaker 2>of the one hundred year anniversary of the Battle of

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<v Speaker 2>Blood River, nationalist politician D. F. Milan addressed the crowd.

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<v Speaker 2>He said Blood River had decided the future of South Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>that it was to be a civilized Christian nation under

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<v Speaker 2>the authority of the white race. And now, in that

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<v Speaker 2>moment in nineteen thirty eight, they were standing on the

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<v Speaker 2>banks of their own Blood River quote, seeing the dark

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<v Speaker 2>masses gathering around your isolated white race. A decade later,

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<v Speaker 2>when Milan was elected Prime Minister, he oversaw the implementation

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<v Speaker 2>of apartheid. You might be wondering at this point, why

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<v Speaker 2>am I telling you about this? What does this racist,

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<v Speaker 2>fake holiday have to do with the subject of our story,

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<v Speaker 2>Monica huggets Stone, It has everything to do with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Her belief in the vengeful racist God of Blood River

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<v Speaker 2>is central to the way she has lived her entire life.

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<v Speaker 2>She brings it up in almost every interview I could find.

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<v Speaker 2>In one podcast from twenty twenty one, she describes visiting

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<v Speaker 2>the site with her family as a child. To this day,

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<v Speaker 2>she believes that if the africaner renews that vow, their

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<v Speaker 2>God will guide their hand in slaughtering the enemies of

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<v Speaker 2>the white race, whoever they may be.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is what I'm clinging to, is that the

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<v Speaker 3>God of Blood Lover is not dead. Even if the

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<v Speaker 3>enemy all over the world, and might they not only black,

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<v Speaker 3>the white governments of the waste caused the fall of

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<v Speaker 3>South Africa and Rhodesia and the rist of the white

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<v Speaker 3>colonies in Africa.

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<v Speaker 4>The jew has their hand in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>The constructed mythology around the importance of that day became

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<v Speaker 2>so central to African internationalist ideology and identity that for decades,

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<v Speaker 2>there was no scholarship at all examining its historical roots.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventy nine, historian Flores van yarsfeld was presenting

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<v Speaker 2>a conference paper at the University of Pretoria. He had

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<v Speaker 2>begun to question the historicity of the popular cultural narratives

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<v Speaker 2>about Blood River, and just as he approached the lectern

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<v Speaker 2>to present his paper, forty men burst into the lecture

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<v Speaker 2>hall and surrounded the professor, emptied the tin of hot

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<v Speaker 2>tar over him, and coated him in white feathers. Those

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<v Speaker 2>men were members of a group that had up until

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<v Speaker 2>that very moment operated entirely in secret.

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<v Speaker 1>This was their big public debut.

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<v Speaker 2>The leader seized the microphone and announced himself. He was

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<v Speaker 2>Eugene Terreblanche, leader of the Africaner Resistance movement. He called

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<v Speaker 2>vin Yarsfeldt's paper blasphemous, an attack on the sanctity and

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<v Speaker 2>very essence of Africanner identity. Early on, in the process

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<v Speaker 2>of figuring out who Monica huggets Stone was, I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a very strange comment. I was reading a blog post

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<v Speaker 2>about an internal schism within a modern day Africaner nationalist

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<v Speaker 2>group called the Swedelanders. The blog was written by Adrian Snyman.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to him in a minute. But in the

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<v Speaker 2>comments under the post, there was one from Monica posted

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three, and she was so sorry to

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<v Speaker 2>see whites turning on each other instead of focusing on

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<v Speaker 2>the real enemy. And she ends this rather long comment

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<v Speaker 2>by saying, quote, the time is now for the Boer

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<v Speaker 2>people to stand together, to go on their knees and

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<v Speaker 2>beg forgiveness from our creator, the Great Almighty God, who

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<v Speaker 2>created the heavens and the earth. We have turned our

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<v Speaker 2>backs on God and have the mistaken idea that we

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves are the saviors of the Boer people. God has

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<v Speaker 2>not abandoned us. He is waiting patiently for the people

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<v Speaker 2>to call upon him. Just as at Blood River, he

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<v Speaker 2>will answer again and give his children victory. And I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what that meant, so I made a note

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and I moved on, And then I saw

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<v Speaker 2>it again in a YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Comment just a few months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>She wrote, may the God of Blood River be with

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<v Speaker 2>his children and give us victory against his enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I found a series of.

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<v Speaker 2>Articles she wrote for a rabidly anti Semitic Christian identity

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<v Speaker 2>magazine between twenty eleven and twenty seventeen, and they're all

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<v Speaker 2>very strange. The Bible verses she quotes are from a

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<v Speaker 2>translation I'd never heard of. It's not the King James

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<v Speaker 2>or the New International. It's something else, entirely, something called

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<v Speaker 2>the Ferrari Fentin Bible. He was apparently a British businessman

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<v Speaker 2>who died in nineteen twenty, and his translation is not

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<v Speaker 2>well regarded by biblical scholars. He was also briefly the

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<v Speaker 2>head of the South African diamond mining corporation, the Dedbers Group,

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<v Speaker 2>and he believed that British people were the true Israelites.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know the Ferra Fentin Bible was even an option,

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<v Speaker 2>but I guess if you're a racist South African who

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<v Speaker 2>believes white people are the descendants of the lost tribes of.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel, it's the perfect choice.

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<v Speaker 2>In those articles, she predicts a coming race war, and

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<v Speaker 2>she agonizes over what she calls satanic attacks on the

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<v Speaker 2>Aryan race, and there at the end of pages of

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<v Speaker 2>apocalyptic rambling, she calls for a renewal of the vow

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<v Speaker 2>of Blood River.

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<v Speaker 1>And that blog.

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<v Speaker 2>Monica's comment in twenty twenty three on that post about

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<v Speaker 2>internal divisions within a right wing Africannor group preparing for

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<v Speaker 2>a race war. Well, that comment wasn't her only appearance

0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:38.800
<v Speaker 2>on that site. In twenty eleven, the blog's author, Adrian Snyman,

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<v Speaker 2>wrote a post with the title thank you Aryan Nations,

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<v Speaker 2>and the post is a response to Monica Stone. She

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<v Speaker 2>had written privately to Snyman to let him know that

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<v Speaker 2>she would be attending the Aryan Nations World Congress in

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<v Speaker 2>September of twenty eleven, and she'd be giving a speech

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<v Speaker 2>about the white genocide in South Africa. Sneyman's post describes

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<v Speaker 2>Monica as the only female member of the Africaner Resistance

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<v Speaker 2>movement to have ever served time in prison for her

0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.879
<v Speaker 2>involvement in the group, and he urges his readers to

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<v Speaker 2>email her their letters of thanks so she can present

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<v Speaker 2>them to the Aryan Nations after her speech. And here's

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<v Speaker 2>where things start to go off the rails. Adrian Snyman,

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<v Speaker 2>the author of that blog.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a prolific writer.

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<v Speaker 2>In his younger years, he worked for a newspaper covering

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<v Speaker 2>horse racing, and for decades he'd cranked out dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>novels under a variety of pseudonyms. But by nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>he'd found his calling interpreting the prophecies of Nicklaus van Rensburg.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicholas van Rensburg was born in eighteen sixty four on

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<v Speaker 2>a farm in what is now South Africa. He never

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<v Speaker 2>learned to write, and he only learned to read by

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<v Speaker 2>sounding out the words of the Bible. He died in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty six during the Second Boer War. He was

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<v Speaker 2>a close companion of General.

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<v Speaker 1>Coups de la Rey.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also allegedly a prophet of God. I spent

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<v Speaker 2>too much time trying to parse the prophecies. I had

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<v Speaker 2>trouble locating any actual, original written versions of the prophecies.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to see interpretations of them. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to see them, and I looked for some original source

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<v Speaker 2>for entirely too long before I realized they don't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Snyman, Van Renzberg's daughter Anna wrote down over

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<v Speaker 2>seven hundred of her father's visions, but the original handwritten

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<v Speaker 2>books were lost. At the time of her death in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty one, the family was not in possession of

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<v Speaker 2>any of those writings. It appears he's based his books

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<v Speaker 2>on a document written in nineteen forty two a man

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<v Speaker 2>who had seen those original written versions of the prophecies

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.720
<v Speaker 2>related them orally to another man who wrote them down

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen years after Van Rensburg died, and even that document

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<v Speaker 2>was lost until Sneiman received it in nineteen ninety. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no explanation of where it was in between or how

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<v Speaker 2>he came to possess it. Very unclear providence on these prophecies.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no chain of custody on the prophecies. Sneiman has

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<v Speaker 2>written so feverishly on the subject for the last thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five years that almost everything I can find about Van

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<v Speaker 2>Rensburg is written by him, and everything else relies on

0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:54.159
<v Speaker 2>his work. There are some contemporary accounts of some of

0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Van Rensburgh's visions, but it's worth mentioning that the most

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<v Speaker 2>spectacular examples of his coming to pass aren't ones I

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<v Speaker 2>was able to find written accounts of that date back

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<v Speaker 2>to his lifetime, and the interpretations of those prophecies that

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<v Speaker 2>present possible modern occurrences as their fulfillment are almost universally

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<v Speaker 2>written by fervent race war enthusiasts, people who really really

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<v Speaker 2>want the prophecies to be true. And the problem with

0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:31.040
<v Speaker 2>prophecies that some people really really want to be true

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<v Speaker 2>is that there will sometimes be people who take matters

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<v Speaker 2>into their own hands and try to make them come true.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of his visions are entirely symbolic, things like I

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<v Speaker 2>saw a red bull and AGray bull fighting is interpreted

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<v Speaker 2>by his followers as an accurate prediction of World War One,

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<v Speaker 2>or out of the north, a speckled black ox appears.

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<v Speaker 2>He is looking in our direction. The earth in our

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<v Speaker 2>country becomes desolate, but in Europe it becomes pitch dark,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is apparently a prediction of the Great Depression.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Sneimann, Van Rezberg correctly predicted such events as

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<v Speaker 2>every war of the twentieth century, the Chernobyl nuclear disaster Aids,

0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the collapse of the Soviet Union, the election of Margaret Thatcher,

0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Princess Diana's divorce, Princess Diana's death, and a nineteen ninety

0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:32.719
<v Speaker 2>five earthquake in Japan. As for the prophecies that haven't

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<v Speaker 2>come true, well maybe they just haven't come true yet.

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<v Speaker 5>In nineteen sixteen, he tells his friend boy Mussmann, there

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<v Speaker 5>will come a time when I will be once again

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<v Speaker 5>in the news. In those days, I see we are

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<v Speaker 5>still fighting amongst ourselves, and it is over, and we

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<v Speaker 5>will have a black government. It is then that the

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<v Speaker 5>Afrikaan is final and fist struggle will begin.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Snyman's books, Ben Ronzburg had a vision in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty five, six months before his death.

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<v Speaker 1>The actual text of.

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<v Speaker 2>This prophecy is word slid, something about a goose coming

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<v Speaker 2>out of a man's mouth, but it's interpreted to mean

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<v Speaker 2>that Van Rensburg predicted that in the distant future a

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<v Speaker 2>black man will be released from prison and that man

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<v Speaker 2>will attain power, and under his rule the country will

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<v Speaker 2>be thrown into chaos, and at some point that man

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<v Speaker 2>will die a violent death, and on the eighth day

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<v Speaker 2>after his death, the day he is buried, a civil

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>war will begin. By his own account, Snyman started interpreting

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<v Speaker 2>the prophecies in nineteen ninety He published his first book

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<v Speaker 2>on them in nineteen ninety two, but the earliest writing

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<v Speaker 2>I could actually get my hands on is from nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five, So I can't tell you if Sneimann always

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<v Speaker 2>believed that this particular prophecy was about Nelson Mandela and

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<v Speaker 2>his release from prison in nineteen ninety and his election

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<v Speaker 2>as president in nineteen ninety four, but that's his interpretation. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>and this particular prophecy has inspired at least two attempts

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<v Speaker 2>to force it to come true. In late two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and two, a white supremacist terrorist organization calling itself the

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<v Speaker 2>Booramag set off a series of bombs in Soeto, outside

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<v Speaker 2>of Johannesburg. They targeted a mosque, a Buddhist temple, an airport,

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<v Speaker 2>a gas station, and railways, and those bombs went off

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<v Speaker 2>after the first round of arrests earlier that year. After

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<v Speaker 2>the wave of bombing, the group emailed newspapers taking responsibility

0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:58.119
<v Speaker 2>for the attacks. They demanded the release of the Booramag

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.760
<v Speaker 2>members who'd already been arrested, but it warned that it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just lower ranking members of the group that people

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:08.480
<v Speaker 2>should be worried about interfering with the mission of the

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Boramagu was a challenge to the God of the Blood River.

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<v Speaker 2>If their demands weren't met, another wave of bombings would commence.

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<v Speaker 2>On December sixteenth, the day of the vow. Those bombings

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<v Speaker 2>did not come to pass. Police responded to the emails

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<v Speaker 2>by raiding ninety four properties and arresting eleven more Boromac members. Intriguingly,

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<v Speaker 2>some of the homes that were raided that day belonged

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<v Speaker 2>to men we've encountered elsewhere in this story. There were

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<v Speaker 2>police raids at the home of Baron Stredam, the White Wolf,

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:58.720
<v Speaker 2>who went on a shooting spree in nineteen eighty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the home of villem Rata, the former Rhodesian

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:06.120
<v Speaker 2>military officer who commanded the German mercenaries at Radio Pratoria

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:10.680
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety four. Africana Resistance Movement member Mani Merits

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<v Speaker 2>and Pete Rudolph, the leader of the Order Borofolk at

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<v Speaker 2>one of these homes, though none of the reporting specifies

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<v Speaker 2>whose police found a list of names of the detectives

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:29.320
<v Speaker 2>who had been investigating the Borromac. The trials took over

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<v Speaker 2>a decade, with testimony from over two hundred people. In

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<v Speaker 2>the end, twenty three members of the group received prison

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:41.159
<v Speaker 2>sentences of varying lengths between five and thirty five years.

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.359
<v Speaker 2>The ring leader, Mike Detoy, was the first South African

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<v Speaker 2>to be convicted of treason by the post apartheid government,

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<v Speaker 2>and because the cases spent eleven years in court, we

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot about them. At the group's first meeting,

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 2>members took the vow of blood River. They carried copies

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.640
<v Speaker 2>of the vow pasted into a little book at all times,

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 2>and they gave each other code names like Rottweiler and motherfucker.

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 2>After they swore their allegiance to God and each other,

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:16.439
<v Speaker 2>the leader of the group gave each man a single

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>nine millimeter bullet. In later testimony, a member said quote

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<v Speaker 2>he said, there was no turning back now. Anyone turning

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 2>back will be shot, and if you knew somebody would

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 2>betray you, you had to make sure he was shot.

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<v Speaker 2>In October of two thousand and two, former President Nelson

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Mandela was scheduled to travel to Limpopo for a ceremony

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:44.399
<v Speaker 2>opening a new school. Boromag members placed a large bomb

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:45.880
<v Speaker 2>on the side of the road they knew he would

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 2>have to travel to get there, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Stretched a trip wire across it.

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<v Speaker 2>They were hiding in the bushes waiting to watch the

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 2>former president get blown to bits when they heard the helicopter.

0:27:58.880 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>They'd failed.

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<v Speaker 2>Had Mandela not taken a helicopter at the last minute

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.880
<v Speaker 2>instead of traveling the final leg of his journey by car,

0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>the bomb almost certainly would have killed him, and this,

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<v Speaker 2>they believed would trigger Van Rensberg's prophecies of a race war.

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Both their own testimony and documents recovered in the police

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 2>raids show their dedication to the Van Rensburg prophecies. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of their planning documents just don't make sense at

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<v Speaker 2>all without the context of the prophecies. One plan presupposes,

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<v Speaker 2>without explanation, that the violence will simply begin when a

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>mob of black people engage in violent midnight attacks in Johannesburg.

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 2>That's an extremely unlikely and unexplained scenario in the real world,

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 2>but it is something that does incite an unstoppable wave

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 2>of violence. In some of Sneyman's interpretations of the prophecies,

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 2>their planning doctor humans also fixate on the idea of

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 2>amassing their forces in a small town called Prisca. There's

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>no political or tactical advantage to being in Prisca, but

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 2>the town is mentioned more than twenty times in one

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 2>of Snyman's books. Van Rensburg had a vision that a

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.280
<v Speaker 2>miracle would occur in Prisca, that in their hour of need,

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the Boers would receive much needed help from abroad. In

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the prophecies, the white africaner is armed for the final

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:37.080
<v Speaker 2>struggle in Prisca when German guns arrive. It's very important

0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 2>in the prophecies, these German guns. The guns must come

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<v Speaker 2>from Germany, and that's so interesting. I mean, the prophecies

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 2>are a jumbled mess and a lot of it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean anything. They're mostly about bulls fighting and white horses

0:29:55.640 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 2>on hillsides and chickens running east. But the German guns

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 2>are quite concrete. And I wonder if that was on

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 2>anyone's mind in nineteen ninety three when Monica Huggett started

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:15.080
<v Speaker 2>hosting German mercenaries in her home. Maybe it's a coincidence

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>that those Germans were the ones smuggling in the guns

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>they hoped to use in the race war back then.

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Hard to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the course of the Boromag trials, witnesses testified to

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>almost unbelievable plots that the group never had a chance

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 2>to carry out. Members testified that they'd considered stoking racial

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 2>tension by carrying out terrorist attacks intended to appear as

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>though the perpetrators had been Jewish or Muslim. One early

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 2>plan involved shooting down an American passenger plane, but that

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 2>was scrapped because it was likely to kill white people.

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 2>A police informant who'd infiltrated. The group testified that one

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 2>member claimed his American contacts in the coup klux Klan

0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>could help them create a poison to put in the

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>water supply. Another member sat on the stand that they'd

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 2>plan to poison oranges and then leave them on the

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 2>streets of Soweto where black people might pick them up

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and eat them. When the guilty verdicts were read, Pete

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Rudolph stood up in the gallery and yelled in Afrikaans,

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 2>we shall overcome. How odd to see Pete Rudolph misbehaving

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 2>in the gallery twice, so many years apart. It was

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 2>a few episodes ago now, but thirty three years before this,

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty it was Pete Rudolph who stood and

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>applauded as the VIC Commando bombers were led into the

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 2>court room. But during the trials, thirteen of those defendants

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 2>took a unorthodox approach to their defense. They challenged the

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 2>court's jurisdiction to even try them at all, claiming that

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>due to irregularities in the nineteen ninety two referendum and

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 2>then I ninety four election, the current government was illegitimate

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 2>and the post nineteen ninety four constitution was not binding.

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 2>The government's position was, of course, that the nineteen ninety

0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 2>two referendum had authorized the government to negotiate a new constitution.

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 2>That referendum, for the record, asked the question, do you

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>support continuation of the reform process which the state president

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 2>began on two February nineteen ninety and which has aimed

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>at a new constitution through negotiation, and that referendum passed

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>with sixty nine percent of voters saying yes. Here's Monica's

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>memory of that election, just for fun.

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I remember my niece was about three four

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 4>years old. We walked into the welting booth and she

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 4>little as she was, it's the Nazi salute, and she said,

0:32:57.040 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 4>my daddy is voting No.

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>The Boramag defendants were unsuccessful, obviously, but they did try

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>to subpoena South Africa's last apartheid president, FW de Clerk,

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.719
<v Speaker 2>I guess, in an attempt to prove that the government

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>didn't legally exist, and after the verdicts were in some

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>right wingers blamed to Clerk. If he hadn't ended apartheid,

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 2>none of this would have happened in the first place.

0:33:26.080 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>A press release from Andres Breidenbach, leader of the far

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>right party HNP and chairman of a group called the

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Afrikaner Folksrad attacked to Clerk. The press release read, in part,

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>each of those sentences is yours personally, because you are

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>the real trader who subjugated our people to a hostile

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 2>power with cunning in deceit. And further down the page

0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 2>he continues that you have not created any git through

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 2>which the Boer, African or people can escape from this

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 2>dispensation in a constitutional manner, shows your evil intent against

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:03.360
<v Speaker 2>our people. News reports at the time say the press

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:07.120
<v Speaker 2>release was issued via his Facebook page.

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>But I couldn't dig it up there.

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 4>No.

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Unfortunately, I found it on Stormfront. I can't believe I'd

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 2>never noticed before, but the internet's oldest running Nazi message

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:22.359
<v Speaker 2>board has an entire subsection where all the posts are

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 2>in Afrikaans.

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>In a two thousand and.

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Nine dissertation by Inez Mary Stephanie at the University of

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 2>the Vitvatersrand, the author makes a claim that I believe

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>but I can't find anywhere else. She writes that in

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:42.759
<v Speaker 2>the mid nineties, the Africaner resistance movement didn't have their

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 2>own website. I mean, it was the nineties, how many

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:49.040
<v Speaker 2>people knew how to make a website. But instead of

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>the group just not having a website, American clansman Don Black,

0:34:55.840 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Stormfront's webmaster posted their online presence for them. What a

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:08.200
<v Speaker 2>strange and fascinating intersection. But back to the press release,

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have bothered to tell you Andreas Breytenbach's name

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 2>if that was his only appearance in this story. There's

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>already too many guys I know, but it's not no

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>because he had friends overseas two and he was in Washington,

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:31.840
<v Speaker 2>d C. In September of twenty twelve. I can't blame

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 2>you if you've forgotten why. That's interesting. It's been a

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 2>long story. It was in September of twenty twelve that

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Monica Huggett Stone led that tiny gaggle of Aryan Nations

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>members on a march through DC. It was her second

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:50.800
<v Speaker 2>attempt at getting public attention for her South Africa project,

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>raising awareness for the white genocide.

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:57.720
<v Speaker 1>Of the africaner. But what if it was something else?

0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:02.640
<v Speaker 2>A month before that rally, the front page story in

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 2>d Africaner, the newspaper for the far right party HNP,

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:12.480
<v Speaker 2>said that their chairman Andres Breitenbach had decided that there

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 2>would be a march in America the following month, quote,

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a march will be held in America next month. This

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:27.720
<v Speaker 2>action stop genocide was initiated by the HNP. So maybe

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>there was some other march against white genocide somewhere in

0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 2>the United States in September of twenty twelve, as possible,

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 2>I guess, but this was the only one in Washington, DC,

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 2>and that's where Andres Breidenbach was the week of Monica's

0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Arian Nation's rally at the Capitol. I can't find him

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>in any of the photos, but that same party newspaper

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:55.320
<v Speaker 2>uses a photo of Monica at her rally to illustrate

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 2>their story about Breidenbach delivering a letter to the ambassador

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>in Washington that same week. Maybe something is lost in

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>translation here, but the article appears to conclude with this statement.

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 2>The group of local protesters was also encouraged by the

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:17.840
<v Speaker 2>fact that their spokesman, mister Andres Breitenbach, gave an interview

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:22.480
<v Speaker 2>to the media at the embassy, and Monica obviously saw

0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 2>and had no issue with the wording of this article

0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 2>because it was proudly posted to the Aryan Nation's website,

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 2>which is where I found it. But it gets even stranger.

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Breitenbach wasn't the only South African who paid a visit

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 2>to the Aryan Nations in September of twenty twelve. That

0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:46.359
<v Speaker 2>same month, a man named Hein Bunsier took a trip

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to the United States. When he was arrested for treason

0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>three months later, it was revealed in court that he'd

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>been trying to secure funding from the Aryan Nations and

0:37:55.600 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 2>the ku Klux Klan. Buonsire and three others, Johann Printslou,

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 2>John Martin Kievy, and Mark Trollop were arrested on December sixteenth,

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, the day of the vow and the day

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 2>they had planned to assassinate South African President Jacob Zuma.

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 2>The charges against Boonsire were dropped in August of twenty thirteen,

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 2>and after a psychiatric evaluation, John Martin Kievy was committed

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:27.000
<v Speaker 2>to a state hospital. Mark Tarlot pled guilty to conspiracy

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:30.920
<v Speaker 2>and Johann Princeleu was found guilty of treason after a trial.

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 2>So legally, can I tell you that Hein Buonsier was

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.000
<v Speaker 2>soliciting funding for terrorism?

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 1>No I can't.

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't convicted of any crime in connection to the plot,

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 2>but the plot was real. It was real enough that

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>Johann Princelou was convicted of treason and Boonsire did make

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 2>two trips to the United States to connect with right

0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>wing groups, one just months before his arrest. Early reporting

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 2>about his arrest explicitly states that the twenty twelve trip

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:08.680
<v Speaker 2>had been an effort to secure financial backing from American

0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>extremist groups. But I was puzzled about the economics of

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 2>such a trip. I mean, guns aren't cheap, sure, but

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 2>what's the return on investment in terms of ammunition when

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at booking international travel. But it's possible they

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 2>needed money for more than just weapons. Buonsire was buying land,

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it in Prisca. There is a post

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 2>from the year before his arrest on a website for

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 2>believers in the Free Afrikaner movement. It's a collection of

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 2>white South Africans who want an independent state, and the

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>post names Bunsire's real estate company, Hausenberg Development Cooperative, is

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:57.319
<v Speaker 2>one of two companies allowing people to purchase shares in

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 2>a large tract of land. Illitate white resettlement. Later, reporting

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 2>from investigative journalism outlet I'mapunghani says Boonsire's company website was

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:25.680
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twelve quote in the process of purchasing thirty

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:29.359
<v Speaker 2>thousand hectares of farmland in Prisca, but I can't find

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 2>any follow up as to whether or not he ever

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:37.080
<v Speaker 2>successfully purchased the land for his white enclave. During his

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>trip to the United States in twenty twelve, he appeared

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:44.040
<v Speaker 2>on six episodes of one right wing podcast and made

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 2>a single appearance on a wildly fringe anti Semitic conspiracy

0:40:48.000 --> 0:40:51.399
<v Speaker 2>theory show. I spent the better part of the day

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to dig up audio of any of those episodes,

0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 2>but they seem to be lost a time. I'm Apungane

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.880
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twelve that in one episode, Buonsire said, I

0:41:03.880 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 2>think we can assume that within the next six to

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:07.719
<v Speaker 2>eight months, I wouldn't be surprised if we had a

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 2>full scale civil war in South Africa. It's a low

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 2>level war that's being waged against us, and at some

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 2>point any group of people or a nation would stand

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 2>up and say enough is enough. In the reporting about

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:24.240
<v Speaker 2>Boonsiro's American connections, It's mentioned that he'd visited once before,

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 2>but no details are provided. It seemed like that first

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 2>trip might remain a mystery until I found an open

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.320
<v Speaker 2>letter Boonsire himself wrote in twenty thirteen after his charges

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>were dropped. In that letter, he reveals that he'd been

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>publishing online for years under the pseudonym Heinrich Zeman, and

0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.919
<v Speaker 2>there is a bit of writing online in Afrikaans under

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.720
<v Speaker 2>that name, much of it published by the Pro African

0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:55.040
<v Speaker 2>or Action Group. But I found one essay in English.

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 2>The piece tells the almost entirely fictional story of the

0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:02.439
<v Speaker 2>author's grandparent and its falling victim to the ongoing white

0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:06.759
<v Speaker 2>genocide in South Africa. They are victims of these infamous

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 2>farm murders, hacked to death in their beds by machete

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 2>wielding black men, and he writes in gory detail about

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:19.319
<v Speaker 2>the couple's beloved dog, dismembered by the attackers as he

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 2>gave his life trying to protect his masters. It's gruesome,

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 2>it's almost pornographic in its description of the author discovering

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 2>that the dog's final act was tearing the throat out

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 2>of one of the black attackers. It was published in

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty eleven by American Renaissance, the white supremacist magazine run

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.760
<v Speaker 2>by Jared Taylor. Taylor's website notes that the author attended

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 2>the American Renaissance Conference in twenty ten, an event that

0:42:49.719 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 2>was headlined by a speaker from the Belgian fascist group

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 2>flams Belang, the successor organization to Flams Block, the neo

0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:00.319
<v Speaker 2>Nazi organization that coordinated the movement of stolen go uns

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:06.359
<v Speaker 2>and mercenaries to South Africa in the nineties. Bundsaire's piece

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 2>was included in a collection of essays published by American

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Restaurants in twenty twenty, and the book has a forward

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 2>by Jared Taylor himself. I will do some episodes on

0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Jared Taylor one of these days. He's had an enormous

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 2>influence on American white supremacist thought over the last forty years.

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 2>His annual conference has for decades now been a real

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 2>who's who of the international extreme right.

0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I went once years ago.

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean I couldn't get inside, obviously, I just stood

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 2>outside in a park somewhere in Tennessee, and all I

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.759
<v Speaker 2>got from my trouble was pepper sprayed and trampled by

0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 2>some cops for the average person. I would guess the

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 2>only time you've encountered Jared Taylor's name in the news

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 2>was back in twenty fifteen. He was the spokesman for

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 2>the Council of Conservative Citizens. They had to make a

0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 2>series of public statements after the Charleston church shooting. Dylan

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Roof's manifesto made it quite clear that he'd been radicalized

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:14.440
<v Speaker 2>by the Council of Conservative Citizens, specifically their publications on

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:18.360
<v Speaker 2>black crime, and that's what convinced him that white people

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:23.040
<v Speaker 2>were being treated unfairly. Their website set him down the

0:44:23.080 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 2>path that ended the lives of nine people whose only

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 2>crime was welcoming a stranger into their Bible study. Like

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I said, Boonsire's charges were dropped when he was arrested.

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:39.640
<v Speaker 2>In twenty twelve, he was removed as the head of

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a newly formed political party, the Federal Freedom Party, after

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 2>its founder was arrested for treason. It obviously struggled a bit,

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 2>and it rebranded as Front National in twenty thirteen, and

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.400
<v Speaker 2>then rebranded again as the Africaner Self Determination Party in

0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:59.439
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. I can't tell if Boonsire is still active

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>and the party he started seems like it would be

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of hard to go back to canvassing for elections

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.480
<v Speaker 2>when you've already considered triggering a prophecy by blowing up

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 2>the president. But people can change, I don't know. In

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.359
<v Speaker 2>September of twenty twelve, Monica huggets Stone was in touch

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>with the leader of the far right party HNP and

0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 2>a man accused of treason. She led a tiny Arian

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>nation's rally at the United States Capital and then she left.

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 2>She'd been living in the United States since two thousand

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 2>after marrying Jim Stone, a retired sports news broadcaster living

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 2>just outside New Orleans. Federal Election Commission filings show that

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Jim Stone was on the payroll for David Duke's nineteen

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 2>ninety six Senate run, but the campaign didn't amount to much.

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Jim was apparently the campaign press secretary and director of

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 2>media relations, but the only news story I can find

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:57.360
<v Speaker 2>that looks like it was placed by a press secretary

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>is the one announcing he'd been hired for the position,

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:05.240
<v Speaker 2>So maybe he wasn't very good at it. Jimstone passed

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:08.640
<v Speaker 2>away in early twenty twelve, and in twenty thirteen, the

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 2>now widowed Monica Stone sold their home in Mandeville, Louisiana,

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 2>and returned to her hometown of Kempton Park in South Africa.

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Back in South Africa, she operates a charitable organization called

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:25.200
<v Speaker 2>the Living Waters Foundation, and interviews in recent years always

0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 2>include a request for donations. She helps orphans, you see,

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:34.319
<v Speaker 2>but only white ones. She's quite meticulous about it. In

0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, a fellow South African neo Nazi recommended donating

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:42.759
<v Speaker 2>to Monica's charity, writing on his blog quote, She's a

0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:47.800
<v Speaker 2>hardcore national socialist. She only gives money to white children.

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<v Speaker 2>If she gives money to someone and she later sees

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<v Speaker 2>them helping non whites, then she cuts off the monies.

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<v Speaker 2>I went with her in twenty fifteen to visit an

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<v Speaker 2>orphanage in Pretoria, the only one run by a white

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<v Speaker 2>woman who was doing it only for white children. But

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<v Speaker 2>when Monica later found out that the woman was also

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<v Speaker 2>helping blacks, she cut off.

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<v Speaker 1>All donations, which I agree with.

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<v Speaker 2>Batman Ian Lamprecht was arrested in twenty twenty one for

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<v Speaker 2>violating a court order to stop harassing a Jewish professor.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's neither here nor there. I can't quite nail

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<v Speaker 2>down the specifics, but it seems Yan and Monica had

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<v Speaker 2>a falling out some time after twenty fifteen, but for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part in a movement constantly ripped apart by

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:38.239
<v Speaker 2>personal feuds and power struggles and accusations of betrayal, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't find a single bad word about Monica Huggetstone. I

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<v Speaker 2>scraped together every existing record of her involvement in white

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<v Speaker 2>supremacist groups from nineteen seventy nine, when she first met

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<v Speaker 2>Eugene tare Blanche, through the present day, covering nearly fifty years,

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<v Speaker 2>intersecting with multiple bombing campaigns, international arms smuggling rings, and

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<v Speaker 2>attempted coups. She turned State's witness against her own boyfriend

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty And I dug through dozens of ancient

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<v Speaker 2>blogs in multiple languages, and I can't find a single

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi with a bad word to say about her. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a first. There's always beef somewhere. I

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<v Speaker 2>will have to circle back at some point to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the Swede Lenders, maybe another time. They are more

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<v Speaker 2>recent African nationalist group founded in the early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>and they publicly shy away from being associated with obvious

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<v Speaker 2>neo Nazi imagery, but the group is explicitly and completely

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<v Speaker 2>centered around the Van Rensburg prophecies. They exist to prepare

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<v Speaker 2>their members for the coming race war and spoiler alert

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<v Speaker 2>in case I don't get back to the Swede Lenders

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<v Speaker 2>anytime soon. Their spokesman, Simon Roche, spent most of the

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<v Speaker 2>summer of twenty seventeen ling in the United States, including

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<v Speaker 2>attending the Unite the Right rally here in Charlottesville, and

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<v Speaker 2>back in that time period, they got into a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of hot water in the movement. There were allegations

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<v Speaker 2>that Simon Roch had been pocketing donations from other white nationalists.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a bit of a scandal, and in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen he appeared on an American neo Nazi podcast to

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<v Speaker 2>address the issue, and at some point during the show

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<v Speaker 2>he was ambushed by Jan Lamprecht, who is a rival

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<v Speaker 2>of his, and it got a little heated and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a very lengthy, uncomfortable interview. But at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of all that, Simon Roche still spoke glowingly of Monica,

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<v Speaker 2>calling her someone with an impeccable reputation and recommending that

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<v Speaker 2>if after all of this, you are still not comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>donating to the Swedelanders, you should donate to Monica.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me ask you this, are there other groups that

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<v Speaker 6>you think are reputable that are doing good work in

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<v Speaker 6>South Africa that if anybody has questions about the If

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<v Speaker 6>there are people who have questions about the integrity of Sidelanders,

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<v Speaker 6>who would they want to support instead of you?

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<v Speaker 7>I would recommend that they support somebody like Monica Stone,

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<v Speaker 7>a very distinguished, decent lady who has fought for white nationalism.

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<v Speaker 7>She's probably a bit too right wing for me, but

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<v Speaker 7>she's a marvelous human being.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's a bit two right wing for the race

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<v Speaker 2>war guy, but she's a marvelous human being.

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<v Speaker 1>He says.

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<v Speaker 2>She's eighty one years old now, and she spent her

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<v Speaker 2>entire life in the orbit of assassins and mercenaries and

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<v Speaker 2>war criminals and bombers and rapists and torturers and terrorists

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<v Speaker 2>and death squad leaders, and just one of the mill

0:50:51.080 --> 0:50:56.000
<v Speaker 2>neo Nazis with fantasies of racial holy war. Her religion

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<v Speaker 2>is quite literally one of blood. Her god is the

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<v Speaker 2>vengeful God of blood River.

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<v Speaker 1>This story is over the part of.

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<v Speaker 2>It that was in the past anyway, but I can't

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<v Speaker 2>move on without making the consequences clear. This is still happening.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll leave Monica huggets Stone behind at long last, because

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<v Speaker 2>she was just the backstory.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we live in a world where these once fringe

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<v Speaker 2>ideas are front page news at outlets with White House

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<v Speaker 2>Press credentials. Now in twenty twenty five, the President of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States wants to welcome as refugees these people

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<v Speaker 2>with their apocalyptic visions of race war and mass extermination,

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<v Speaker 2>These people who worship the god of the Blood River.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird Little Guys is the production of Cool Soo Media

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<v Speaker 2>and iHeartRadio. It's researched, written and recorded by me, Molly Conker.

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<v Speaker 2>Our executive producers are Sophy Letterman and Robert Evans. The

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<v Speaker 2>show is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The

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<v Speaker 2>theme music was composed by Brad Dickert. You can email

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<v Speaker 2>me at Weird Little Guys podcast at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>I will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nothing personal. You can exchange conspiracy theories about the

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<v Speaker 2>show with other listeners on the Weird Little Guys separated it,

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<v Speaker 2>but as always, don't post anything that's going to make

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<v Speaker 2>you one of my weird little guys,