1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Col Zone media. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: On December sixteenth, nineteen fifty six, all over South Africa, 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: people gathered in city squares and event halls. Children's choirs performed, 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: congregations gathered to sing hymns, and whole towns turned out 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: to hear speeches from civic leaders and church elders. They 6 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: barbecued and picnicked. They made a whole weekend of it, 7 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 2: with parades led by mounted police and festivals headlined by 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: government officials. All over the country, people attending events in 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: their own towns tuned in to hear the Prime Minister's speech. 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: In Krugersdorp, a judge addressing the crowd in Jermyston urged 11 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: Africaners not to forsake God by tolerating communism, saying quote, 12 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: everywhere is the cry for equality of whites and non whites, 13 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: and everywhere it is fanned by communism. In Freddorp, a 14 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: speaker waxed poetic on the noble character of their Dutch 15 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 2: pioneer forefathers, saying quote, they were neither conquerors nor oppressors. 16 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: They always followed a determined policy towards the barbarians. In Vadfal, 17 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 2: a member of parliament gave a speech about the importance 18 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: of apartheid, that it was in fact a kindness allowing 19 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: the races to live and let live, retaining their racial 20 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: identities by avoiding race mixing. That speaker mc botha would 21 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: later help design and implement the administration of the Bantustans, 22 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 2: and that day he told the crowd that apartheid had 23 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: a far more positive outlook than something like segregation. In 24 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: Kempton Park, theologian Petras Dreyer warned that there could be 25 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: no middle ground. Economic integration inevitably leads to social integration, 26 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: which always ends in blood mixing. Apartheid was still young 27 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty six, the system was still being constructed. 28 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: Dryer predicted a complete disappearance of the white race if 29 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: the country failed to quickly adopt total and complete apartheid. 30 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: That celebration, the one in Kempton Park, was presided over 31 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: by festival chair William Henry Huggett. He'd been the mayor 32 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: of the city for several years in the early fifties, 33 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: and he was on the board of his local branch 34 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: of the National Party. The newspaper write up about the 35 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 2: event mentions him only briefly, I couldn't even tell you 36 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: if mister Huggett gave a speech, But I'm willing to 37 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: bet that they're in the audience listening to those warnings 38 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 2: of impending racial annihilation. Was his daughter, a twelve year 39 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: old Monica Huggett Hunger And this it's weird, little guys. 40 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: This is a story about religious fervor. It's about myth 41 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: and legend and racial holy war. It's a story of 42 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: very modern bombings and treason convictions and planned assassinations. But 43 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: it's a story rooted in history. So first, if you'll 44 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: indulge me a bit of history. December sixteenth is a 45 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: significant day for South Africans. Today it's celebrated as Reconciliation Day, 46 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 2: but it wasn't always a day of peace. In nineteen 47 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 2: sixty one, the newly formed paramilitary Arm of the African 48 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: National Congress and Konto Wi Sizwey announced their existence with 49 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: a series of bomb blasts and leaflets declaring quote, the 50 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: time comes in the life of any nation where there 51 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: remains only two choices, submit or fight. That time has 52 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: now come to South Africa. We shall not submit, and 53 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: we have no choice but to hit back by all 54 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: means within our power in defense of our people. In 55 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: nineteen thirty, the South African Communist Party held a nationwide 56 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: protest encouraging black South Africans to publicly burn their past books, 57 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: the internal passports black people were required to carry at 58 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: all times. At a passbook burning rally in Durban, police 59 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: attacked demonstrators, killing A and C organizer Johannes and Kosi. 60 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, a. 61 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: Series of police raids were carried out, rounding up four 62 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: men accused of treason and a plot to assassinate President Jacobsuma. 63 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: And the reason that all of these things happened on 64 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: December sixteenth is the same. It's the same reason those 65 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: crowds gathered in city squares all over the country in 66 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty six. Until the holiday was repurposed as Reconciliation 67 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: Day in nineteen ninety five, it was celebrated as the 68 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: Day of the Vow. The holiday occupies a place of 69 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: great importance in the political ideology of the africaner nationalist. 70 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: In the eighteen thirties, Dutch speaking settlers in the British 71 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: controlled colony at the Cape of Good Hope began migrating 72 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: north away from British rule of course, the land north 73 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: of the British Colony wasn't empty, and these exploratory missions 74 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: often came into conflict with the African people whose land 75 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 2: they wanted to settle on. In eighteen thirty seven, one 76 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: of those bands of Dutch pioneers, known as the Fore Trekkers, 77 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: set their sights on a bit of land in what 78 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: is now Quasulu Natal. They approached the Zulu king Dingane 79 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: an attempt to negotiate, stating a desire to live in 80 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: peace with the Zulu, but noting that they had been 81 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: victorious in prior conflicts with Zulu warriors. The negotiations did 82 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: not go well. Dingane was understandably cautious in dealing with 83 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: the Fort Trekkers. Earlier treks north had brought the settlers 84 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: into violent conflict with the indigenous people they encountered, and 85 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: their proposal just wasn't consistent with. 86 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: The way the Zulu lived. 87 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: The Fort Trekers wanted a written contract for ownership of 88 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: the land in perpetuity. Neither of these things were possible 89 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: in Zulu society. Theirs was an oral culture. There were 90 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: no written treaties or contracts, and their customs and laws 91 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 2: didn't allow for the permanent transfer of ownership of land 92 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: held by the king. In February of eighteen thirty eight, 93 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: a four treker delegation led by Petretif met with Dinghane 94 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: to sign the treaty. There are conflicting accounts as to 95 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: whether this treaty was actually signed, but ding Ghane clearly 96 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: had no intention of giving the Dutch settlers any land. 97 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: The entire delegation was led to a nearby hillside and killed. 98 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: There were retaliatory attacks and skirmishes throughout the year, but 99 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: the settlers spent most of eighteen thirty eight regrouping. Farmers 100 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: from the Cape Colony were called up as reinforcements, and 101 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: the bit of history that matters here came at the 102 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: end of the year, the Battle of Blood River. In 103 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: December of eighteen thirty eight, Andres Pretorius led a caravan 104 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: of fifty seven ox carts and four hundred and sixty 105 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: four trekker men into Zulu territory. The four trekkers were 106 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: armed with guns, and the caravan had several cannons. The 107 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: battle began at dawn on December sixteenth. A surviving member 108 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: of the Zulu forces said their first charge was mown 109 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: down like grass by the musket fire. The Zulu had 110 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: an overwhelming numerical advantage, accounts very widely putting the number 111 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: at at least nine thousand, with some estimates ranging as 112 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: high as thirty thousand, but the Fort Trekkers had a 113 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 2: strong defensive position and they had artillery. By noon, three 114 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: thousand Zulu warriors were dead. The Fort Trekkers had not 115 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: lost a single man in the Battle of Blood River. 116 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 2: There is, of course, no river with such a hideous name. 117 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: The battle was fought on the banks of the Encome River, 118 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: but on the day three thousand Zulu men were slain 119 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: in a matter of hours. The river is said to 120 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: have run red with their blood. 121 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: That much is true. 122 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: The Battle of Blood River was fought on December sixteenth, 123 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: eighteen thirty eight. The Day of the Vow, however, celebrates 124 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: a possibly apocryphal vow sworn by Andres Pretorius that if 125 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: God would deliver them a victory against the Zulu, their 126 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: descendants would forever keep that day as a holy sabbath. 127 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: They didn't, not until many decades later, anyway. Leonard Thompson, 128 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: an English historian who led Yale's Southern African Research program, 129 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: posits that the Day of the Vow is political mythology, 130 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: a piece of history that was resurrected and embellished when 131 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: it was politically expedient. There is some kernel of truth. 132 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: There is a contemporary account in the journals of Pretorius's secretary, 133 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: General Jan Bantis, that one week before the battle, Pretorius 134 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: called his senior officers to his tent and asked them 135 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: to pray to God for victory. And he promised that 136 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: if they were victorious, he would build a church to 137 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: commemorate it. And they did win, and he did build 138 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: that church, thus fulfilling the only portion of that promise 139 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: that we have any record of. For decades, white South 140 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 2: Africans did not keep December sixteenth as a holy sabbath. 141 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 2: An eighteen seventy seven text by a South African nationalist theologian, 142 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: contains a history of the battle, but it makes no 143 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: mention at all of any vow or of divine intervention. 144 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: The story re emerged in the late eighteen hundreds amidst 145 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: the Boer Wars, and in eighteen eighty a ceremony was 146 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: held to renew the covenant, and in this ceremony they 147 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: tied the story of the four treker victory over Black 148 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 2: Africans to the present struggle for national identity against the 149 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: British Empire. There were sporadic celebrations of the holiday in 150 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: the last few decades of the nineteenth century, and the 151 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: story was evolving as a sort of founding myth. God 152 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 2: wanted the Africaner to have the land. God wanted whites 153 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: to conquer Black Africans. God gave the Afrikaaner of this 154 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: land because they were God's chosen people. When South Africa 155 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: gained independence in nineteen ten, one of the first acts 156 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: of Parliament was to make the Day of the Covenant 157 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: a national holiday. In nineteen thirty eight, at the celebration 158 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 2: of the one hundred year anniversary of the Battle of 159 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: Blood River, nationalist politician D. F. Milan addressed the crowd. 160 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 2: He said Blood River had decided the future of South Africa, 161 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 2: that it was to be a civilized Christian nation under 162 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: the authority of the white race. And now, in that 163 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: moment in nineteen thirty eight, they were standing on the 164 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 2: banks of their own Blood River quote, seeing the dark 165 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: masses gathering around your isolated white race. A decade later, 166 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: when Milan was elected Prime Minister, he oversaw the implementation 167 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 2: of apartheid. You might be wondering at this point, why 168 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: am I telling you about this? What does this racist, 169 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: fake holiday have to do with the subject of our story, 170 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: Monica huggets Stone, It has everything to do with her. 171 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: Her belief in the vengeful racist God of Blood River 172 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 2: is central to the way she has lived her entire life. 173 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: She brings it up in almost every interview I could find. 174 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 2: In one podcast from twenty twenty one, she describes visiting 175 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: the site with her family as a child. To this day, 176 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: she believes that if the africaner renews that vow, their 177 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: God will guide their hand in slaughtering the enemies of 178 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: the white race, whoever they may be. 179 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 3: And this is what I'm clinging to, is that the 180 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 3: God of Blood Lover is not dead. Even if the 181 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: enemy all over the world, and might they not only black, 182 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 3: the white governments of the waste caused the fall of 183 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: South Africa and Rhodesia and the rist of the white 184 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: colonies in Africa. 185 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 4: The jew has their hand in there. 186 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely absolutely. 187 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: The constructed mythology around the importance of that day became 188 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: so central to African internationalist ideology and identity that for decades, 189 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: there was no scholarship at all examining its historical roots. 190 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: In nineteen seventy nine, historian Flores van yarsfeld was presenting 191 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: a conference paper at the University of Pretoria. He had 192 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: begun to question the historicity of the popular cultural narratives 193 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 2: about Blood River, and just as he approached the lectern 194 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: to present his paper, forty men burst into the lecture 195 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: hall and surrounded the professor, emptied the tin of hot 196 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: tar over him, and coated him in white feathers. Those 197 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: men were members of a group that had up until 198 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: that very moment operated entirely in secret. 199 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: This was their big public debut. 200 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: The leader seized the microphone and announced himself. He was 201 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: Eugene Terreblanche, leader of the Africaner Resistance movement. He called 202 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: vin Yarsfeldt's paper blasphemous, an attack on the sanctity and 203 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: very essence of Africanner identity. Early on, in the process 204 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: of figuring out who Monica huggets Stone was, I saw 205 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: a very strange comment. I was reading a blog post 206 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: about an internal schism within a modern day Africaner nationalist 207 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: group called the Swedelanders. The blog was written by Adrian Snyman. 208 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: We'll get to him in a minute. But in the 209 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: comments under the post, there was one from Monica posted 210 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, and she was so sorry to 211 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: see whites turning on each other instead of focusing on 212 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 2: the real enemy. And she ends this rather long comment 213 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: by saying, quote, the time is now for the Boer 214 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: people to stand together, to go on their knees and 215 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: beg forgiveness from our creator, the Great Almighty God, who 216 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: created the heavens and the earth. We have turned our 217 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: backs on God and have the mistaken idea that we 218 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 2: ourselves are the saviors of the Boer people. God has 219 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: not abandoned us. He is waiting patiently for the people 220 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: to call upon him. Just as at Blood River, he 221 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: will answer again and give his children victory. And I 222 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: didn't know what that meant, so I made a note 223 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: of it, and I moved on, And then I saw 224 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: it again in a YouTube. 225 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: Comment just a few months ago. 226 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: She wrote, may the God of Blood River be with 227 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: his children and give us victory against his enemy. 228 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: And then I found a series of. 229 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: Articles she wrote for a rabidly anti Semitic Christian identity 230 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: magazine between twenty eleven and twenty seventeen, and they're all 231 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: very strange. The Bible verses she quotes are from a 232 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: translation I'd never heard of. It's not the King James 233 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: or the New International. It's something else, entirely, something called 234 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: the Ferrari Fentin Bible. He was apparently a British businessman 235 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: who died in nineteen twenty, and his translation is not 236 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: well regarded by biblical scholars. He was also briefly the 237 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: head of the South African diamond mining corporation, the Dedbers Group, 238 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: and he believed that British people were the true Israelites. 239 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: I didn't know the Ferra Fentin Bible was even an option, 240 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: but I guess if you're a racist South African who 241 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: believes white people are the descendants of the lost tribes of. 242 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: Israel, it's the perfect choice. 243 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: In those articles, she predicts a coming race war, and 244 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: she agonizes over what she calls satanic attacks on the 245 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: Aryan race, and there at the end of pages of 246 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: apocalyptic rambling, she calls for a renewal of the vow 247 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: of Blood River. 248 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: And that blog. 249 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 2: Monica's comment in twenty twenty three on that post about 250 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 2: internal divisions within a right wing Africannor group preparing for 251 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: a race war. Well, that comment wasn't her only appearance 252 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: on that site. In twenty eleven, the blog's author, Adrian Snyman, 253 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: wrote a post with the title thank you Aryan Nations, 254 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: and the post is a response to Monica Stone. She 255 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: had written privately to Snyman to let him know that 256 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: she would be attending the Aryan Nations World Congress in 257 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: September of twenty eleven, and she'd be giving a speech 258 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 2: about the white genocide in South Africa. Sneyman's post describes 259 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: Monica as the only female member of the Africaner Resistance 260 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: movement to have ever served time in prison for her 261 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: involvement in the group, and he urges his readers to 262 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 2: email her their letters of thanks so she can present 263 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: them to the Aryan Nations after her speech. And here's 264 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: where things start to go off the rails. Adrian Snyman, 265 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: the author of that blog. 266 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: Is a prolific writer. 267 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 2: In his younger years, he worked for a newspaper covering 268 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 2: horse racing, and for decades he'd cranked out dozens of 269 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 2: novels under a variety of pseudonyms. But by nineteen ninety 270 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: he'd found his calling interpreting the prophecies of Nicklaus van Rensburg. 271 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 2: Nicholas van Rensburg was born in eighteen sixty four on 272 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: a farm in what is now South Africa. He never 273 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: learned to write, and he only learned to read by 274 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: sounding out the words of the Bible. He died in 275 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty six during the Second Boer War. He was 276 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: a close companion of General. 277 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: Coups de la Rey. 278 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: He was also allegedly a prophet of God. I spent 279 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: too much time trying to parse the prophecies. I had 280 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: trouble locating any actual, original written versions of the prophecies. 281 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to see interpretations of them. I want 282 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 2: to see them, and I looked for some original source 283 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 2: for entirely too long before I realized they don't exist. 284 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: According to Snyman, Van Renzberg's daughter Anna wrote down over 285 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: seven hundred of her father's visions, but the original handwritten 286 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: books were lost. At the time of her death in 287 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, the family was not in possession of 288 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: any of those writings. It appears he's based his books 289 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 2: on a document written in nineteen forty two a man 290 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 2: who had seen those original written versions of the prophecies 291 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: related them orally to another man who wrote them down 292 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: sixteen years after Van Rensburg died, and even that document 293 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: was lost until Sneiman received it in nineteen ninety. There's 294 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 2: no explanation of where it was in between or how 295 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 2: he came to possess it. Very unclear providence on these prophecies. 296 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: There's no chain of custody on the prophecies. Sneiman has 297 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: written so feverishly on the subject for the last thirty 298 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: five years that almost everything I can find about Van 299 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: Rensburg is written by him, and everything else relies on 300 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: his work. There are some contemporary accounts of some of 301 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: Van Rensburgh's visions, but it's worth mentioning that the most 302 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 2: spectacular examples of his coming to pass aren't ones I 303 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: was able to find written accounts of that date back 304 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: to his lifetime, and the interpretations of those prophecies that 305 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 2: present possible modern occurrences as their fulfillment are almost universally 306 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 2: written by fervent race war enthusiasts, people who really really 307 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: want the prophecies to be true. And the problem with 308 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: prophecies that some people really really want to be true 309 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: is that there will sometimes be people who take matters 310 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: into their own hands and try to make them come true. 311 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: Most of his visions are entirely symbolic, things like I 312 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: saw a red bull and AGray bull fighting is interpreted 313 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: by his followers as an accurate prediction of World War One, 314 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: or out of the north, a speckled black ox appears. 315 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: He is looking in our direction. The earth in our 316 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: country becomes desolate, but in Europe it becomes pitch dark, 317 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: and that is apparently a prediction of the Great Depression. 318 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 2: According to Sneimann, Van Rezberg correctly predicted such events as 319 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: every war of the twentieth century, the Chernobyl nuclear disaster Aids, 320 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 2: the collapse of the Soviet Union, the election of Margaret Thatcher, 321 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: Princess Diana's divorce, Princess Diana's death, and a nineteen ninety 322 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 2: five earthquake in Japan. As for the prophecies that haven't 323 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: come true, well maybe they just haven't come true yet. 324 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 5: In nineteen sixteen, he tells his friend boy Mussmann, there 325 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 5: will come a time when I will be once again 326 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 5: in the news. In those days, I see we are 327 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 5: still fighting amongst ourselves, and it is over, and we 328 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 5: will have a black government. It is then that the 329 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 5: Afrikaan is final and fist struggle will begin. 330 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: According to Snyman's books, Ben Ronzburg had a vision in 331 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty five, six months before his death. 332 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: The actual text of. 333 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: This prophecy is word slid, something about a goose coming 334 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 2: out of a man's mouth, but it's interpreted to mean 335 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 2: that Van Rensburg predicted that in the distant future a 336 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: black man will be released from prison and that man 337 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: will attain power, and under his rule the country will 338 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: be thrown into chaos, and at some point that man 339 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: will die a violent death, and on the eighth day 340 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: after his death, the day he is buried, a civil 341 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: war will begin. By his own account, Snyman started interpreting 342 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: the prophecies in nineteen ninety He published his first book 343 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 2: on them in nineteen ninety two, but the earliest writing 344 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: I could actually get my hands on is from nineteen 345 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 2: ninety five, So I can't tell you if Sneimann always 346 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 2: believed that this particular prophecy was about Nelson Mandela and 347 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 2: his release from prison in nineteen ninety and his election 348 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: as president in nineteen ninety four, but that's his interpretation. Now, 349 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: and this particular prophecy has inspired at least two attempts 350 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: to force it to come true. In late two thousand 351 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 2: and two, a white supremacist terrorist organization calling itself the 352 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: Booramag set off a series of bombs in Soeto, outside 353 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: of Johannesburg. They targeted a mosque, a Buddhist temple, an airport, 354 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 2: a gas station, and railways, and those bombs went off 355 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: after the first round of arrests earlier that year. After 356 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: the wave of bombing, the group emailed newspapers taking responsibility 357 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: for the attacks. They demanded the release of the Booramag 358 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 2: members who'd already been arrested, but it warned that it 359 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 2: wasn't just lower ranking members of the group that people 360 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: should be worried about interfering with the mission of the 361 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: Boramagu was a challenge to the God of the Blood River. 362 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 2: If their demands weren't met, another wave of bombings would commence. 363 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: On December sixteenth, the day of the vow. Those bombings 364 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 2: did not come to pass. Police responded to the emails 365 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: by raiding ninety four properties and arresting eleven more Boromac members. Intriguingly, 366 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: some of the homes that were raided that day belonged 367 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 2: to men we've encountered elsewhere in this story. There were 368 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: police raids at the home of Baron Stredam, the White Wolf, 369 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 2: who went on a shooting spree in nineteen eighty eight, 370 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: and at the home of villem Rata, the former Rhodesian 371 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 2: military officer who commanded the German mercenaries at Radio Pratoria 372 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four. Africana Resistance Movement member Mani Merits 373 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 2: and Pete Rudolph, the leader of the Order Borofolk at 374 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 2: one of these homes, though none of the reporting specifies 375 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: whose police found a list of names of the detectives 376 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: who had been investigating the Borromac. The trials took over 377 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 2: a decade, with testimony from over two hundred people. In 378 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: the end, twenty three members of the group received prison 379 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 2: sentences of varying lengths between five and thirty five years. 380 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: The ring leader, Mike Detoy, was the first South African 381 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,120 Speaker 2: to be convicted of treason by the post apartheid government, 382 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: and because the cases spent eleven years in court, we 383 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 2: know a lot about them. At the group's first meeting, 384 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: members took the vow of blood River. They carried copies 385 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 2: of the vow pasted into a little book at all times, 386 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: and they gave each other code names like Rottweiler and motherfucker. 387 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: After they swore their allegiance to God and each other, 388 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 2: the leader of the group gave each man a single 389 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: nine millimeter bullet. In later testimony, a member said quote 390 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: he said, there was no turning back now. Anyone turning 391 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: back will be shot, and if you knew somebody would 392 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: betray you, you had to make sure he was shot. 393 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 2: In October of two thousand and two, former President Nelson 394 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: Mandela was scheduled to travel to Limpopo for a ceremony 395 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: opening a new school. Boromag members placed a large bomb 396 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 2: on the side of the road they knew he would 397 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: have to travel to get there, and. 398 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: Stretched a trip wire across it. 399 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: They were hiding in the bushes waiting to watch the 400 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 2: former president get blown to bits when they heard the helicopter. 401 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: They'd failed. 402 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: Had Mandela not taken a helicopter at the last minute 403 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 2: instead of traveling the final leg of his journey by car, 404 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: the bomb almost certainly would have killed him, and this, 405 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 2: they believed would trigger Van Rensberg's prophecies of a race war. 406 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: Both their own testimony and documents recovered in the police 407 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: raids show their dedication to the Van Rensburg prophecies. A 408 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: lot of their planning documents just don't make sense at 409 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 2: all without the context of the prophecies. One plan presupposes, 410 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: without explanation, that the violence will simply begin when a 411 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: mob of black people engage in violent midnight attacks in Johannesburg. 412 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: That's an extremely unlikely and unexplained scenario in the real world, 413 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: but it is something that does incite an unstoppable wave 414 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: of violence. In some of Sneyman's interpretations of the prophecies, 415 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: their planning doctor humans also fixate on the idea of 416 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: amassing their forces in a small town called Prisca. There's 417 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: no political or tactical advantage to being in Prisca, but 418 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: the town is mentioned more than twenty times in one 419 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: of Snyman's books. Van Rensburg had a vision that a 420 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: miracle would occur in Prisca, that in their hour of need, 421 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: the Boers would receive much needed help from abroad. In 422 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: the prophecies, the white africaner is armed for the final 423 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 2: struggle in Prisca when German guns arrive. It's very important 424 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: in the prophecies, these German guns. The guns must come 425 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: from Germany, and that's so interesting. I mean, the prophecies 426 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: are a jumbled mess and a lot of it doesn't 427 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: mean anything. They're mostly about bulls fighting and white horses 428 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: on hillsides and chickens running east. But the German guns 429 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: are quite concrete. And I wonder if that was on 430 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: anyone's mind in nineteen ninety three when Monica Huggett started 431 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 2: hosting German mercenaries in her home. Maybe it's a coincidence 432 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: that those Germans were the ones smuggling in the guns 433 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 2: they hoped to use in the race war back then. 434 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Hard to say. 435 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 2: Over the course of the Boromag trials, witnesses testified to 436 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: almost unbelievable plots that the group never had a chance 437 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 2: to carry out. Members testified that they'd considered stoking racial 438 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: tension by carrying out terrorist attacks intended to appear as 439 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: though the perpetrators had been Jewish or Muslim. One early 440 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: plan involved shooting down an American passenger plane, but that 441 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: was scrapped because it was likely to kill white people. 442 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: A police informant who'd infiltrated. The group testified that one 443 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: member claimed his American contacts in the coup klux Klan 444 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 2: could help them create a poison to put in the 445 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: water supply. Another member sat on the stand that they'd 446 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: plan to poison oranges and then leave them on the 447 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: streets of Soweto where black people might pick them up 448 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: and eat them. When the guilty verdicts were read, Pete 449 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 2: Rudolph stood up in the gallery and yelled in Afrikaans, 450 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: we shall overcome. How odd to see Pete Rudolph misbehaving 451 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: in the gallery twice, so many years apart. It was 452 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: a few episodes ago now, but thirty three years before this, 453 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty it was Pete Rudolph who stood and 454 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 2: applauded as the VIC Commando bombers were led into the 455 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: court room. But during the trials, thirteen of those defendants 456 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 2: took a unorthodox approach to their defense. They challenged the 457 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: court's jurisdiction to even try them at all, claiming that 458 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: due to irregularities in the nineteen ninety two referendum and 459 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: then I ninety four election, the current government was illegitimate 460 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: and the post nineteen ninety four constitution was not binding. 461 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: The government's position was, of course, that the nineteen ninety 462 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 2: two referendum had authorized the government to negotiate a new constitution. 463 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 2: That referendum, for the record, asked the question, do you 464 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 2: support continuation of the reform process which the state president 465 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: began on two February nineteen ninety and which has aimed 466 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 2: at a new constitution through negotiation, and that referendum passed 467 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 2: with sixty nine percent of voters saying yes. Here's Monica's 468 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 2: memory of that election, just for fun. 469 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I remember my niece was about three four 470 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 4: years old. We walked into the welting booth and she 471 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 4: little as she was, it's the Nazi salute, and she said, 472 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 4: my daddy is voting No. 473 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 2: The Boramag defendants were unsuccessful, obviously, but they did try 474 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 2: to subpoena South Africa's last apartheid president, FW de Clerk, 475 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,719 Speaker 2: I guess, in an attempt to prove that the government 476 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: didn't legally exist, and after the verdicts were in some 477 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: right wingers blamed to Clerk. If he hadn't ended apartheid, 478 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: none of this would have happened in the first place. 479 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 2: A press release from Andres Breidenbach, leader of the far 480 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: right party HNP and chairman of a group called the 481 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: Afrikaner Folksrad attacked to Clerk. The press release read, in part, 482 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 2: each of those sentences is yours personally, because you are 483 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: the real trader who subjugated our people to a hostile 484 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: power with cunning in deceit. And further down the page 485 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 2: he continues that you have not created any git through 486 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: which the Boer, African or people can escape from this 487 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 2: dispensation in a constitutional manner, shows your evil intent against 488 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: our people. News reports at the time say the press 489 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: release was issued via his Facebook page. 490 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: But I couldn't dig it up there. 491 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 4: No. 492 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I found it on Stormfront. I can't believe I'd 493 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 2: never noticed before, but the internet's oldest running Nazi message 494 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 2: board has an entire subsection where all the posts are 495 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: in Afrikaans. 496 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: In a two thousand and. 497 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: Nine dissertation by Inez Mary Stephanie at the University of 498 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: the Vitvatersrand, the author makes a claim that I believe 499 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 2: but I can't find anywhere else. She writes that in 500 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 2: the mid nineties, the Africaner resistance movement didn't have their 501 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 2: own website. I mean, it was the nineties, how many 502 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: people knew how to make a website. But instead of 503 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 2: the group just not having a website, American clansman Don Black, 504 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 2: Stormfront's webmaster posted their online presence for them. What a 505 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: strange and fascinating intersection. But back to the press release, 506 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have bothered to tell you Andreas Breytenbach's name 507 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 2: if that was his only appearance in this story. There's 508 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: already too many guys I know, but it's not no 509 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 2: because he had friends overseas two and he was in Washington, 510 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 2: d C. In September of twenty twelve. I can't blame 511 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 2: you if you've forgotten why. That's interesting. It's been a 512 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 2: long story. It was in September of twenty twelve that 513 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 2: Monica Huggett Stone led that tiny gaggle of Aryan Nations 514 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 2: members on a march through DC. It was her second 515 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 2: attempt at getting public attention for her South Africa project, 516 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: raising awareness for the white genocide. 517 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: Of the africaner. But what if it was something else? 518 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: A month before that rally, the front page story in 519 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: d Africaner, the newspaper for the far right party HNP, 520 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 2: said that their chairman Andres Breitenbach had decided that there 521 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 2: would be a march in America the following month, quote, 522 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: a march will be held in America next month. This 523 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 2: action stop genocide was initiated by the HNP. So maybe 524 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 2: there was some other march against white genocide somewhere in 525 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 2: the United States in September of twenty twelve, as possible, 526 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 2: I guess, but this was the only one in Washington, DC, 527 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,720 Speaker 2: and that's where Andres Breidenbach was the week of Monica's 528 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 2: Arian Nation's rally at the Capitol. I can't find him 529 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 2: in any of the photos, but that same party newspaper 530 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 2: uses a photo of Monica at her rally to illustrate 531 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 2: their story about Breidenbach delivering a letter to the ambassador 532 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 2: in Washington that same week. Maybe something is lost in 533 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 2: translation here, but the article appears to conclude with this statement. 534 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 2: The group of local protesters was also encouraged by the 535 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,840 Speaker 2: fact that their spokesman, mister Andres Breitenbach, gave an interview 536 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 2: to the media at the embassy, and Monica obviously saw 537 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 2: and had no issue with the wording of this article 538 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 2: because it was proudly posted to the Aryan Nation's website, 539 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 2: which is where I found it. But it gets even stranger. 540 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 2: Breitenbach wasn't the only South African who paid a visit 541 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 2: to the Aryan Nations in September of twenty twelve. That 542 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 2: same month, a man named Hein Bunsier took a trip 543 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 2: to the United States. When he was arrested for treason 544 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 2: three months later, it was revealed in court that he'd 545 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 2: been trying to secure funding from the Aryan Nations and 546 00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 2: the ku Klux Klan. Buonsire and three others, Johann Printslou, 547 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 2: John Martin Kievy, and Mark Trollop were arrested on December sixteenth, 548 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 2: twenty twelve, the day of the vow and the day 549 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 2: they had planned to assassinate South African President Jacob Zuma. 550 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 2: The charges against Boonsire were dropped in August of twenty thirteen, 551 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 2: and after a psychiatric evaluation, John Martin Kievy was committed 552 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: to a state hospital. Mark Tarlot pled guilty to conspiracy 553 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 2: and Johann Princeleu was found guilty of treason after a trial. 554 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 2: So legally, can I tell you that Hein Buonsier was 555 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 2: soliciting funding for terrorism? 556 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: No I can't. 557 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 2: He wasn't convicted of any crime in connection to the plot, 558 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 2: but the plot was real. It was real enough that 559 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 2: Johann Princelou was convicted of treason and Boonsire did make 560 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 2: two trips to the United States to connect with right 561 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 2: wing groups, one just months before his arrest. Early reporting 562 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 2: about his arrest explicitly states that the twenty twelve trip 563 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: had been an effort to secure financial backing from American 564 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 2: extremist groups. But I was puzzled about the economics of 565 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 2: such a trip. I mean, guns aren't cheap, sure, but 566 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 2: what's the return on investment in terms of ammunition when 567 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 2: you're looking at booking international travel. But it's possible they 568 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 2: needed money for more than just weapons. Buonsire was buying land, 569 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: a lot of it in Prisca. There is a post 570 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 2: from the year before his arrest on a website for 571 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 2: believers in the Free Afrikaner movement. It's a collection of 572 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 2: white South Africans who want an independent state, and the 573 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 2: post names Bunsire's real estate company, Hausenberg Development Cooperative, is 574 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 2: one of two companies allowing people to purchase shares in 575 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 2: a large tract of land. Illitate white resettlement. Later, reporting 576 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 2: from investigative journalism outlet I'mapunghani says Boonsire's company website was 577 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 2: in twenty twelve quote in the process of purchasing thirty 578 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 2: thousand hectares of farmland in Prisca, but I can't find 579 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:30,920 Speaker 2: any follow up as to whether or not he ever 580 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 2: successfully purchased the land for his white enclave. During his 581 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 2: trip to the United States in twenty twelve, he appeared 582 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 2: on six episodes of one right wing podcast and made 583 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 2: a single appearance on a wildly fringe anti Semitic conspiracy 584 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 2: theory show. I spent the better part of the day 585 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 2: trying to dig up audio of any of those episodes, 586 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 2: but they seem to be lost a time. I'm Apungane 587 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 2: in twenty twelve that in one episode, Buonsire said, I 588 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 2: think we can assume that within the next six to 589 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 2: eight months, I wouldn't be surprised if we had a 590 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 2: full scale civil war in South Africa. It's a low 591 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 2: level war that's being waged against us, and at some 592 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 2: point any group of people or a nation would stand 593 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 2: up and say enough is enough. In the reporting about 594 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 2: Boonsiro's American connections, It's mentioned that he'd visited once before, 595 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 2: but no details are provided. It seemed like that first 596 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 2: trip might remain a mystery until I found an open 597 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 2: letter Boonsire himself wrote in twenty thirteen after his charges 598 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 2: were dropped. In that letter, he reveals that he'd been 599 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 2: publishing online for years under the pseudonym Heinrich Zeman, and 600 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 2: there is a bit of writing online in Afrikaans under 601 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,720 Speaker 2: that name, much of it published by the Pro African 602 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 2: or Action Group. But I found one essay in English. 603 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 2: The piece tells the almost entirely fictional story of the 604 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,439 Speaker 2: author's grandparent and its falling victim to the ongoing white 605 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 2: genocide in South Africa. They are victims of these infamous 606 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 2: farm murders, hacked to death in their beds by machete 607 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 2: wielding black men, and he writes in gory detail about 608 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 2: the couple's beloved dog, dismembered by the attackers as he 609 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 2: gave his life trying to protect his masters. It's gruesome, 610 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 2: it's almost pornographic in its description of the author discovering 611 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 2: that the dog's final act was tearing the throat out 612 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 2: of one of the black attackers. It was published in 613 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 2: twenty eleven by American Renaissance, the white supremacist magazine run 614 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 2: by Jared Taylor. Taylor's website notes that the author attended 615 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 2: the American Renaissance Conference in twenty ten, an event that 616 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 2: was headlined by a speaker from the Belgian fascist group 617 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 2: flams Belang, the successor organization to Flams Block, the neo 618 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,319 Speaker 2: Nazi organization that coordinated the movement of stolen go uns 619 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:06,359 Speaker 2: and mercenaries to South Africa in the nineties. Bundsaire's piece 620 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 2: was included in a collection of essays published by American 621 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 2: Restaurants in twenty twenty, and the book has a forward 622 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 2: by Jared Taylor himself. I will do some episodes on 623 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 2: Jared Taylor one of these days. He's had an enormous 624 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 2: influence on American white supremacist thought over the last forty years. 625 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 2: His annual conference has for decades now been a real 626 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 2: who's who of the international extreme right. 627 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: I went once years ago. 628 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't get inside, obviously, I just stood 629 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 2: outside in a park somewhere in Tennessee, and all I 630 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 2: got from my trouble was pepper sprayed and trampled by 631 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 2: some cops for the average person. I would guess the 632 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 2: only time you've encountered Jared Taylor's name in the news 633 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 2: was back in twenty fifteen. He was the spokesman for 634 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 2: the Council of Conservative Citizens. They had to make a 635 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,120 Speaker 2: series of public statements after the Charleston church shooting. Dylan 636 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 2: Roof's manifesto made it quite clear that he'd been radicalized 637 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 2: by the Council of Conservative Citizens, specifically their publications on 638 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 2: black crime, and that's what convinced him that white people 639 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 2: were being treated unfairly. Their website set him down the 640 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 2: path that ended the lives of nine people whose only 641 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 2: crime was welcoming a stranger into their Bible study. Like 642 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 2: I said, Boonsire's charges were dropped when he was arrested. 643 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, he was removed as the head of 644 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 2: a newly formed political party, the Federal Freedom Party, after 645 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 2: its founder was arrested for treason. It obviously struggled a bit, 646 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 2: and it rebranded as Front National in twenty thirteen, and 647 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 2: then rebranded again as the Africaner Self Determination Party in 648 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,439 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. I can't tell if Boonsire is still active 649 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 2: and the party he started seems like it would be 650 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 2: kind of hard to go back to canvassing for elections 651 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 2: when you've already considered triggering a prophecy by blowing up 652 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 2: the president. But people can change, I don't know. In 653 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 2: September of twenty twelve, Monica huggets Stone was in touch 654 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 2: with the leader of the far right party HNP and 655 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 2: a man accused of treason. She led a tiny Arian 656 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 2: nation's rally at the United States Capital and then she left. 657 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 2: She'd been living in the United States since two thousand 658 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 2: after marrying Jim Stone, a retired sports news broadcaster living 659 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 2: just outside New Orleans. Federal Election Commission filings show that 660 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 2: Jim Stone was on the payroll for David Duke's nineteen 661 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 2: ninety six Senate run, but the campaign didn't amount to much. 662 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 2: Jim was apparently the campaign press secretary and director of 663 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 2: media relations, but the only news story I can find 664 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 2: that looks like it was placed by a press secretary 665 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 2: is the one announcing he'd been hired for the position, 666 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,240 Speaker 2: So maybe he wasn't very good at it. Jimstone passed 667 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 2: away in early twenty twelve, and in twenty thirteen, the 668 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 2: now widowed Monica Stone sold their home in Mandeville, Louisiana, 669 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 2: and returned to her hometown of Kempton Park in South Africa. 670 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 2: Back in South Africa, she operates a charitable organization called 671 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 2: the Living Waters Foundation, and interviews in recent years always 672 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 2: include a request for donations. She helps orphans, you see, 673 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 2: but only white ones. She's quite meticulous about it. In 674 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, a fellow South African neo Nazi recommended donating 675 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 2: to Monica's charity, writing on his blog quote, She's a 676 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,800 Speaker 2: hardcore national socialist. She only gives money to white children. 677 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 2: If she gives money to someone and she later sees 678 00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 2: them helping non whites, then she cuts off the monies. 679 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 2: I went with her in twenty fifteen to visit an 680 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 2: orphanage in Pretoria, the only one run by a white 681 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 2: woman who was doing it only for white children. But 682 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,320 Speaker 2: when Monica later found out that the woman was also 683 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,479 Speaker 2: helping blacks, she cut off. 684 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: All donations, which I agree with. 685 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 2: Batman Ian Lamprecht was arrested in twenty twenty one for 686 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 2: violating a court order to stop harassing a Jewish professor. 687 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,319 Speaker 2: But that's neither here nor there. I can't quite nail 688 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,839 Speaker 2: down the specifics, but it seems Yan and Monica had 689 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 2: a falling out some time after twenty fifteen, but for 690 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,680 Speaker 2: the most part in a movement constantly ripped apart by 691 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 2: personal feuds and power struggles and accusations of betrayal, I 692 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,000 Speaker 2: can't find a single bad word about Monica Huggetstone. I 693 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 2: scraped together every existing record of her involvement in white 694 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 2: supremacist groups from nineteen seventy nine, when she first met 695 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 2: Eugene tare Blanche, through the present day, covering nearly fifty years, 696 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 2: intersecting with multiple bombing campaigns, international arms smuggling rings, and 697 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,280 Speaker 2: attempted coups. She turned State's witness against her own boyfriend 698 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,480 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty And I dug through dozens of ancient 699 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 2: blogs in multiple languages, and I can't find a single 700 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 2: Nazi with a bad word to say about her. And 701 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 2: I think that's a first. There's always beef somewhere. I 702 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 2: will have to circle back at some point to talk 703 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 2: about the Swede Lenders, maybe another time. They are more 704 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 2: recent African nationalist group founded in the early two thousands, 705 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,240 Speaker 2: and they publicly shy away from being associated with obvious 706 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 2: neo Nazi imagery, but the group is explicitly and completely 707 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,600 Speaker 2: centered around the Van Rensburg prophecies. They exist to prepare 708 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 2: their members for the coming race war and spoiler alert 709 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 2: in case I don't get back to the Swede Lenders 710 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 2: anytime soon. Their spokesman, Simon Roche, spent most of the 711 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 2: summer of twenty seventeen ling in the United States, including 712 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,920 Speaker 2: attending the Unite the Right rally here in Charlottesville, and 713 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,919 Speaker 2: back in that time period, they got into a little 714 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,319 Speaker 2: bit of hot water in the movement. There were allegations 715 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 2: that Simon Roch had been pocketing donations from other white nationalists. 716 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,760 Speaker 2: It was a bit of a scandal, and in twenty 717 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,840 Speaker 2: eighteen he appeared on an American neo Nazi podcast to 718 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,399 Speaker 2: address the issue, and at some point during the show 719 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,240 Speaker 2: he was ambushed by Jan Lamprecht, who is a rival 720 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 2: of his, and it got a little heated and it 721 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 2: was a very lengthy, uncomfortable interview. But at the end 722 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,520 Speaker 2: of all that, Simon Roche still spoke glowingly of Monica, 723 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,480 Speaker 2: calling her someone with an impeccable reputation and recommending that 724 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 2: if after all of this, you are still not comfortable 725 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 2: donating to the Swedelanders, you should donate to Monica. 726 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 6: Let me ask you this, are there other groups that 727 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 6: you think are reputable that are doing good work in 728 00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 6: South Africa that if anybody has questions about the If 729 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 6: there are people who have questions about the integrity of Sidelanders, 730 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 6: who would they want to support instead of you? 731 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,280 Speaker 7: I would recommend that they support somebody like Monica Stone, 732 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 7: a very distinguished, decent lady who has fought for white nationalism. 733 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 7: She's probably a bit too right wing for me, but 734 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,399 Speaker 7: she's a marvelous human being. 735 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,919 Speaker 2: So she's a bit two right wing for the race 736 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 2: war guy, but she's a marvelous human being. 737 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:33,880 Speaker 1: He says. 738 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,759 Speaker 2: She's eighty one years old now, and she spent her 739 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 2: entire life in the orbit of assassins and mercenaries and 740 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,719 Speaker 2: war criminals and bombers and rapists and torturers and terrorists 741 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 2: and death squad leaders, and just one of the mill 742 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 2: neo Nazis with fantasies of racial holy war. Her religion 743 00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 2: is quite literally one of blood. Her god is the 744 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 2: vengeful God of blood River. 745 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: This story is over the part of. 746 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 2: It that was in the past anyway, but I can't 747 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 2: move on without making the consequences clear. This is still happening. 748 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 2: We'll leave Monica huggets Stone behind at long last, because 749 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,280 Speaker 2: she was just the backstory. 750 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: No. 751 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,440 Speaker 2: Now we live in a world where these once fringe 752 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 2: ideas are front page news at outlets with White House 753 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:45,960 Speaker 2: Press credentials. Now in twenty twenty five, the President of 754 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,040 Speaker 2: the United States wants to welcome as refugees these people 755 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,399 Speaker 2: with their apocalyptic visions of race war and mass extermination, 756 00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 2: These people who worship the god of the Blood River. 757 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,960 Speaker 2: Weird Little Guys is the production of Cool Soo Media 758 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio. It's researched, written and recorded by me, Molly Conker. 759 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Sophy Letterman and Robert Evans. The 760 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 2: show is edited by the wildly talented Rory Gagan. The 761 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 2: theme music was composed by Brad Dickert. You can email 762 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,319 Speaker 2: me at Weird Little Guys podcast at gmail dot com. 763 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,719 Speaker 2: I will definitely read it, but I probably won't answer it. 764 00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,719 Speaker 2: It's nothing personal. You can exchange conspiracy theories about the 765 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 2: show with other listeners on the Weird Little Guys separated it, 766 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 2: but as always, don't post anything that's going to make 767 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,360 Speaker 2: you one of my weird little guys,