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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera.

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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know

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Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot com. Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. Chuck Bryant's about the vomit. But the

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Speaker 1: two of us together, you get a squishy, fat podcast

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Speaker 1: called Stuff you Should Know. Yeah. Well it's true though

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Speaker 1: too and kind of Harry too, Chucky, Harry and squishy.

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Speaker 1: It's a bad combination. We're like one of those tumors

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Speaker 1: that kind of grows out of you when you ate

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Speaker 1: your twin in the womb, you know, the tumors where

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Speaker 1: they find like hair and fingernails and teeth. We're like

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Speaker 1: one of those when you put us together. Yes we are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good stuff, Josh, Thanks Chuck, So Chuck. Speaking of all that,

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Speaker 1: did you know our first lady planted her own garden

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Speaker 1: outside the White House recently? I did. I bet she

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Speaker 1: had a little help, but yeah, she did from some

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Speaker 1: the whole time. School kids are useless when it comes

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Speaker 1: to gardening, and they are, But yeah, Michelle Obama planted

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Speaker 1: a garden. Apparently it's the first kitchen garden since Eleanor

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Speaker 1: Roosevelt was in the White House. Pretty cool running the

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Speaker 1: show while her polio stricken husband couldn't even get out

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Speaker 1: of bed. Um. So but yeah, so and that that

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Speaker 1: that that you know, Barack keeps getting compared to fdr um.

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Speaker 1: So this is appropriate enough. But the big thing, the

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Speaker 1: big hubbub about all this is that she chose to

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Speaker 1: go a hundred percent organic. Right, Yeah, good move. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and this day and age, that's just a smart thing

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Speaker 1: to do, you right, well, and why not is my point.

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Speaker 1: If you're planning your own garden, I'll tell you why not.

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Speaker 1: As far as the Mid America Crop Life Association, which

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Speaker 1: is basically a pesticide and fertilizer trade association, they have

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Speaker 1: a lot of nice things to say. They they sent

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Speaker 1: her a letter basically saying they never said the word

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Speaker 1: and this is from a Times UK article, but they

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Speaker 1: never said the word fertilizer or um organic anything like that.

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Speaker 1: They just basically wanted to know that America owns it

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Speaker 1: owes its robust physique to all the technological advances in

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Speaker 1: agriculture that have taken place over the years, meaning fertilizer

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Speaker 1: and pesticide exactly. Yeah. So, um, apparently a lot of

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Speaker 1: people didn't really like the fact that the UM M

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Speaker 1: Obama a letter. Um. So there's a petition online right now,

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Speaker 1: um and at least a hundred thousand people assigned it

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Speaker 1: basically telling the M a c A to lay off

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Speaker 1: their pesticide propaganda. And I just made air quotes for

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Speaker 1: everybody who can't see interesting. Yeah, well, I hope it works.

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Speaker 1: I guess it will. I don't know. But the point

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Speaker 1: is is Michelle Obama's going organic and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are right. Yeah, it's it's sort of the thing.

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Speaker 1: It is thinks so much so that now there's there's

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Speaker 1: a term big organic. Have you heard this? Uh yeah, Josh,

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Speaker 1: big organic is um like Walmart is carrying uh organic food.

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Speaker 1: Now that's what you would call big organic. Yeah. If

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Speaker 1: It takes, you know, huge agricultural concerns that have tens

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Speaker 1: sad to see organics go that way because it's that's

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Speaker 1: pretty that's a pretty big shift from its roots and

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Speaker 1: feel forgive the pund very nice, Josh, I hate puns. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for anyone who likes puns, I would strongly advise you

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Speaker 1: to go listen to tech Stuff, one of our sisters podcasts. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh and Strickland isn't isn't completely innocent of his puns either. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I guess we should probably get back to talking

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Speaker 1: about organics, right, yeah, alright, so Chuck, is it better

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Speaker 1: to buy local organic? And actually we probably shouldn't take

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Speaker 1: be super cool. Frame it for the cube. Oh yeah, definitely. Um. Actually, Josh,

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Speaker 1: that can illustrate just what might be wrong with it. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I conventionally grown apple, Josh Josher's maybe sprayed up to

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Speaker 1: book on Google Books. It's called Supernutrition for Men. They

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Speaker 1: actually recommended that if you, um buy commercially grown veggies

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Speaker 1: to soak it in a three percent hydrogen peroxide solution

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Speaker 1: what happens to the bleach though, Does it wear off

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Speaker 1: bleach and create carcinogens. No, there's an alternative of though,

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Speaker 1: which we were just talking about, right, it's called what organic. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: so let's talk organic chuck. Yes, the U s d

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Speaker 1: steps as a program, you can be certified organic. Right

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Speaker 1: and and actually, um, there the standards are pretty good

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Speaker 1: And I just made air quotes again, um and uh.

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Speaker 1: You could also feed livestock non organic fish meal, which

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Speaker 1: create health problems they can, right, um, And since they're

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Speaker 1: not there in these certified organic products, then hence these

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Speaker 1: So you take into the it's to account the acreage

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Speaker 1: So yeah, ghost acres definitely worth looking up. Man. Oh

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Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Yeah. I thought you're gonna throw me

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Speaker 1: there's ten ghost acres. Actually, the think that's about right.

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Speaker 1: I think we have a big time. I think we

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Speaker 1: I don't think we have the right Josh this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: As you know, we have a some fans over in Iraq, Yes,

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Speaker 1: he is a specialist SPC Norman. Uh, he wrote her,

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Speaker 1: And then he has a couple of requests which hopefully

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