Speaker 1: You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles. Well, James McDonald, Reggie Jr.
Speaker 1: And Allen Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network material witness
Speaker 1: on an aggregated battery. I was a hang gun and
Speaker 1: they believe this might be in retaliation to her testimony. Morning,
Speaker 1: good afternoon, and good evening. Welcome to another episode of
Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles. My name is Alex Alonso from Street
Speaker 1: Gangs dot Com a k a. Street TV. And usually
Speaker 1: I say I'm here with my two co host, but
Speaker 1: I'm only hearing my one co host today, James McDonald.
Speaker 1: Reggie still here, Okay, Reggie Spirit. Reggie still here in Spirit.
Speaker 1: He's about, I don't know, several hundred miles away. And
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Speaker 1: one zero one. But what we're gonna be doing while
Speaker 1: Reggie's gone is we're gonna always try to have not always,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna try to bring in a guest. Sometimes
Speaker 1: sometimes there'll be a guest. Sometimes it'll just be James
Speaker 1: and myself chopping it up. But today we have a guest.
Speaker 1: And you may you may be familiar with my guests
Speaker 1: because he was on an episode of Street TV. And
Speaker 1: if you look up the word survival or adversity in
Speaker 1: the dictionary, they should have a picture of him next
Speaker 1: to it. I say that because we all know somebody
Speaker 1: that's been shot at We all know somebody has been
Speaker 1: shot once. We might even know someone that's been shot twice.
Speaker 1: But this brother has survived getting shot on three separate occasions.
Speaker 1: That is a very short list for myself. And when
Speaker 1: I meet those types of people, in my view, God
Speaker 1: has a plan for them. God has touched them. So
Speaker 1: you might think it's some thuggery to get shot three
Speaker 1: times to survive or three Curvin separate occasions, but I
Speaker 1: think it's special. Um. He's got one of the smoothest
Speaker 1: voices ever. He rapped for many years, going back over
Speaker 1: a decade. He currently has two podcasts right now, and
Speaker 1: he has one of the dopest catch phrases you're ever
Speaker 1: gonna hear. That one none other than Mr On My
Speaker 1: Mama himself. Cato Fournia is in the house man, Oh
Speaker 1: my Mama. I'm glad he's been saying that, man for
Speaker 1: over over ten years. I got him on video saying
Speaker 1: that about twelve years ago. Man too, but he double
Speaker 1: loved on it My mama, Mama, Mama, yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, you know, every hood and every
Speaker 1: street nigga has always said on my mom on God
Speaker 1: and all that type of stuff. But I was the
Speaker 1: first to actually making a catchphrase on the entertainment level.
Speaker 1: You know, always did everybody I lives, So that would
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I'm like, oh my mo, mo
Speaker 1: fuck him. No, I don't want you to get into
Speaker 1: the details of of getting shot three times, because I
Speaker 1: got a video about that coming out. But have you
Speaker 1: ever met anybody who's been shot on three different occasions? No?
Speaker 1: Not in real life. No actual I know one of
Speaker 1: the person that's been shot on three different occasions, actually
Speaker 1: know two James. I'm sure you probably know a couple.
Speaker 1: But it is a short list of people been shot
Speaker 1: on three different occasion A few times shooting at somebody.
Speaker 1: I got shot. Um, Uh, just hanging out, I got shot, Uh,
Speaker 1: leaving the fight, jumping in the car. I got shot.
Speaker 1: I got my boy got you got so you got
Speaker 1: more than three? Three? I was. I was shot right
Speaker 1: here in nineteen. I was shot in between my my thighs.
Speaker 1: I was shot in the back with a nine here
Speaker 1: was eight nine. I got shot by the park village
Speaker 1: with a shotgun sprayed. I still got the bullets, the
Speaker 1: pelletan ship in my hands. Um and this one here
Speaker 1: to four different occasions. Yeah, you want a short list
Speaker 1: to ja. Basically, man, I wouldn't be here if it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: You know, Guys, will you know on this one? I mean,
Speaker 1: but and it's some ship, You're not just gonna be
Speaker 1: out there good. You know. My little brother Timmy was
Speaker 1: shot twenty one times on one occasion, just a one time.
Speaker 1: Then he got shot in the back, so he'd been
Speaker 1: shot two different occasions. My my brother Puntre was shot
Speaker 1: nine times on one occasion and he passed. So you know,
Speaker 1: it all depends, you know some you know, it just
Speaker 1: wentn't my number, you know what I'm ship. Well, we
Speaker 1: we gotta. We got a video okay though that details that.
Speaker 1: But before we get into some of the topics of
Speaker 1: the show, I want you to talk about the two
Speaker 1: podcasts you you've got going on. You got one with
Speaker 1: yuck Mouth Smoke a Lot Radio and then you got
Speaker 1: Tapping in with Kato. So talking about those Smoke a
Speaker 1: Lot Radio we formed that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We was on another network before a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and my homeboy Michaelo was the one who really got
Speaker 1: me that gig with Yuck to Um get on smoke
Speaker 1: a lot and be a co host because he was
Speaker 1: offered the job really and um yeah, was like I
Speaker 1: got a podcast coming back, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because he used to be on another network before that,
Speaker 1: so Smoke a Lout. The brand already was cracking with
Speaker 1: another co host, but he offered Michaelo, the John Michaelo like, no,
Speaker 1: my nigga Kato, let him do it. You know. He
Speaker 1: funny and it's a trip because the day that I
Speaker 1: was offered the gig was the first day I came
Speaker 1: out aside from getting shot this last time when I
Speaker 1: lost my love. So it was kind of crazy to
Speaker 1: just my It was one of the marijuana events um
Speaker 1: downtown and you know, you pull up. He offered this,
Speaker 1: so I got referred. So we end up on the
Speaker 1: other network for about a year, had it cracking. That
Speaker 1: was with Real TV. It was over there first. Then
Speaker 1: you know, do some some creative differences. We got to
Speaker 1: funk about of there. You know what I say, every
Speaker 1: branded ourselves over here and be real blood from l A.
Speaker 1: Because he's a Latino. Do South Gate? I believe I
Speaker 1: was here someone saying he's from neighborhood family. He probably
Speaker 1: South gate and probably just had some pots in the
Speaker 1: security detail. You know how like that you're from from
Speaker 1: south central California. My whole whole name is Kato for
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, now that's when my
Speaker 1: dad selling spell not. I inherited the name that ain't
Speaker 1: no ship I made up. My dad is Kato Mac.
Speaker 1: I'm Kato Mac. He's okay though. Yeah, my pap this
Speaker 1: twenty seven straight o g Boss Dog is my daddy,
Speaker 1: Larry John Senior. I'm miss Junior. So you know I
Speaker 1: inherited the name Kato. That wan't no ship. I thought
Speaker 1: was sexy. I just made it sexy when pot came out.
Speaker 1: Ain't got cracking, no, you know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you know, so Smoke a Lot ready to the
Speaker 1: new brand. We over here with Smone Taylor. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, the dope actress and ship and yuck
Speaker 1: Oaktown legend and now it's the real l a voice
Speaker 1: that from South central LA that got the cache to
Speaker 1: say certain ship and tap in the ship. So it's
Speaker 1: the cold mix, you know, Okay, Um, so your your
Speaker 1: two co hosts on Smoke a Lot. We had Yuck
Speaker 1: on the show one episode like Hey he got he
Speaker 1: got one of the energy man the coldest, he got
Speaker 1: one of the coldest hits in hip hop history. Man,
Speaker 1: he ain't got the number ain't never gonna stop being
Speaker 1: played everybody like the Star Spangled banner from Marijuana. That's
Speaker 1: like a commercial, isn't it like a commercial for every
Speaker 1: alcohol brand from from just to turn Up and making
Speaker 1: motherfucker's get involved financially in the turn Up? I got five?
Speaker 1: Who ain't got a little? How fun? I thank you?
Speaker 1: It's crazy that you could turn that just a little
Speaker 1: phrase that we probably been said a million times before
Speaker 1: the song, And that's how you say came up with it.
Speaker 1: They were just sitting around broke and ship like piecing
Speaker 1: up and music was real, something real like that, which
Speaker 1: is right in your face. Every day we choose, some
Speaker 1: people choose to be other motherfucker's. Yeah you know Snoop
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg said, had a line in the song that
Speaker 1: I used to hear the homies said all the time
Speaker 1: before that song ever came out. It ain't no fun
Speaker 1: if the homie can't get nothing? Man, how many times?
Speaker 1: How many years have we heard dad in the streets?
Speaker 1: And then this guy just throws it. Always have listened
Speaker 1: to that slogan, little fist, because ain't no fun if
Speaker 1: the homiek had nothing out. But I think when I
Speaker 1: used to hear it, it meant like, you're gonna share
Speaker 1: her with the rest. There's your party, pussy, You only
Speaker 1: got a few minutes. Everybody got Hey, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you something. Used to Mama used to like a cigarette
Speaker 1: and when the cigarette get lower and girling, you've done
Speaker 1: with the cigarette. It was your turn. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: come on man. Anybody out there that know that, man
Speaker 1: henters in the comment that was that was the way.
Speaker 1: I don't even real Jesus that my silver sat niggas
Speaker 1: know about that man. Man. I used to I used
Speaker 1: to bring a girl around when I was like sixteen,
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen, and the older homeboy were like, man, it
Speaker 1: ain't no fun if the homey can't get none, gonna
Speaker 1: bring a bag of house and can't nobody get a couple.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven.
Speaker 1: I don't know what your snoop put that in the song,
Speaker 1: but you know he got it from you know he
Speaker 1: got it. He got it from the soil. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: you know there's there's these phrases that we've been hearing
Speaker 1: for years that turned into millions of dollars for some
Speaker 1: of these rappers. Crazy hunt and the soody can give
Speaker 1: them more my Mama money. Now he's been raped so
Speaker 1: many times on your Mama is being used by a
Speaker 1: very well known rapper from out of the Athens. Oh
Speaker 1: my mamma. Yeah, j I stayed over there in that
Speaker 1: building on a Hunt twenty six and fig two. The
Speaker 1: real building befolds even food around that motherfucker. Yeah you
Speaker 1: know yeah, yeah, oh my mo mamah. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I don't think he got it
Speaker 1: for me and nothing. But it's it's a Ghettohood inspired time.
Speaker 1: And I you know, I say great minds thinking like
Speaker 1: ship fuck it cool now we gotta talk about But
Speaker 1: he might have heard the mixtape. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know that used to bang my ship, so you
Speaker 1: never yeah, that's the street ship. It's like saying, do God. Alright.
Speaker 1: So so this is this is our first episode without
Speaker 1: Reggie Wright Jr. Man And you know, I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: the brother right now. He's sitting somewhere, probably in the
Speaker 1: cell and at Water, California, in the federal penitentry. In fact,
Speaker 1: he's in the camp, but that camp is connected to
Speaker 1: a maximum cured He's not connected, and it's not connected.
Speaker 1: It's about it across the street or something. Let's in
Speaker 1: the quarter mile. Let's it's right across. That's what I
Speaker 1: wanted to Yeah, it's. Man. When we got there, one
Speaker 1: of the immates came out on the bicycle. Who it
Speaker 1: about the gate out of the little yard on the bike.
Speaker 1: So I stopped him, be nicing, man, we're dropping off. Man,
Speaker 1: who woa? So he gets to telling us what we
Speaker 1: got to do. After that, dude gets on the bike
Speaker 1: and start ride through the parking lot. So yet, yeah,
Speaker 1: he good, But it was it was it was crazy
Speaker 1: driving him down there. And then, you know, looking at
Speaker 1: my rear view, looking at him, you know why he
Speaker 1: was trying to sleep. I kept acting him you got
Speaker 1: the butterflies. Yet, you got the butterflies. Yet, I'm knowing
Speaker 1: what he's going I'm knowing what he's going through. He's
Speaker 1: sitting there thinking of old time. Man, I'm about to
Speaker 1: be without my family, my wife, the whole mind. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what to respect when I get in
Speaker 1: this place. So just talking to him and just trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, reassuring that you know what, man you could,
Speaker 1: you could man ain't nobody, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It still took effect on him where you can just
Speaker 1: now you see how nervous he is when we hit
Speaker 1: that corner and he's seen that building, that building, that
Speaker 1: bible wire and ship. He was he had to take
Speaker 1: a deep breath. We went and sit down and eight
Speaker 1: he couldn't. He couldn't even that was the stomach, that
Speaker 1: was the butterflies, and you ain't been to take nothing down.
Speaker 1: And then we went from from this side of the
Speaker 1: yard to that side of the yard, and you know,
Speaker 1: we sat down and we actually had a conversation. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying on how his daddy felt about
Speaker 1: this situation, because he made numerous calls, just talking, talking,
Speaker 1: and he kept calling his family and just I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be good. I'm gonna be good. Which any man that
Speaker 1: that's been going there first time, you're gonna get the
Speaker 1: butterflies and you're gonna get the same ship that Reggie did.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. For the first time. And yeah,
Speaker 1: when you just take your first your first ride, you
Speaker 1: get first d And Reggie was a police officer. Man,
Speaker 1: Reggie wasn't us. Reggie never do Onlyn side. He's seeing
Speaker 1: of the yard was finger putting your ass and all that.
Speaker 1: He was the jailer when he first started off jailer.
Speaker 1: So but now you go from taking the cuffs off
Speaker 1: of motherfucker's to put them on raising his hands in
Speaker 1: the in the dude that the gates had to search it.
Speaker 1: I want your I d go sit back in the
Speaker 1: car here listening to their commands. Command once Gay, So
Speaker 1: what was did he have to be there at a deadline,
Speaker 1: like a certain time? They wanted him there at two o'clock,
Speaker 1: but we took off at five in the morning. And
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't. I didn't have a problem driving
Speaker 1: him down there, which I wanted to be that point,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because I know what it's like.
Speaker 1: Why didn't his all wife take him because he didn't
Speaker 1: want to? And that was my thing with him too,
Speaker 1: you know, she getting up in the morning and driving
Speaker 1: you down and she got to drive back by herself.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Pops had to do his thing.
Speaker 1: His moms had to work well, his father is definitely
Speaker 1: too elderly to do it. And it's only right that
Speaker 1: his friends, Yeah, I focused you call you friends, say okay,
Speaker 1: come over in this roll. That had been a harder
Speaker 1: type of entrance though, coming up in there and your
Speaker 1: wife and your kid dropping you off, and it's what's that.
Speaker 1: That's like the self, that's the phone in there. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be constant. You didn't know Reggie used to be
Speaker 1: a cop back in the day before he was had
Speaker 1: his first tip top first time being you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, incarcerated or something because you know, but it's
Speaker 1: a good thing. And the reason why I said it's
Speaker 1: a good thing is because Reggie get to see all
Speaker 1: the ship I talked and I'm sitting over there and
Speaker 1: he didn't lean him back, you know, defending that. Now
Speaker 1: you're sitting in his motherfucker on the other side, and
Speaker 1: now you're gonna have are you're gonna appreciate my position.
Speaker 1: Now that point of view gonna change a lot of
Speaker 1: levels opposed to yours. So, I mean, man, it was
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy taking him down there, and
Speaker 1: who was your last conversation with him, like before he
Speaker 1: had to um, I guess turning go into the building.
Speaker 1: Were you able to walk in the building with him? No,
Speaker 1: actually we was. They made us get back in the
Speaker 1: car because they weren't gonna let all of us come
Speaker 1: to the gate but him. So we got back in
Speaker 1: the in the car and uh, I'm I'm trying to
Speaker 1: family go through the gate and they told me you
Speaker 1: can't film man. Fuck dad, I'm in the film and
Speaker 1: going through this gate. But I put it down because
Speaker 1: he was nervous. They made him come back after they
Speaker 1: ran a check on him and say okay, yeah, belong here,
Speaker 1: and then then they called him again. And then after
Speaker 1: they did that, we thought we was gonna have to
Speaker 1: take him back to the camp. But they went on
Speaker 1: and took him inside the gate, and after they searched
Speaker 1: him and had his hands up and all that, ship
Speaker 1: he all right. Because we was trying to leave when
Speaker 1: we first got him there. We was going to pull
Speaker 1: up in this motherfuck drop him off, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: go get back on the highway before traffic. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I didn't want to get caught in
Speaker 1: the traffic. I drove up and back. So he was like,
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to go up in here this early. Okay,
Speaker 1: we understand, and uh, me and and Brian just shooting
Speaker 1: the ship at the gas station. Then we had to
Speaker 1: drive all the way from the at water go get
Speaker 1: something to eat, set there and talk, setting the parking
Speaker 1: lot and shot the ship for a minute to kill time,
Speaker 1: and then we just went on and took him up
Speaker 1: there and they did their thing, and it was crazy
Speaker 1: leaving without him. Man, it was like, damn when they
Speaker 1: for real? Man, now this official. Yeah. I looked up
Speaker 1: on the Bureau of Prisons website his release date. It's February,
Speaker 1: February one. Yeah, but my cousin is a correct correction officer.
Speaker 1: He called me after he seen the video and he
Speaker 1: was telling me that that's gonna change once they get
Speaker 1: him in the area and short out his time so
Speaker 1: he can get his time Shorten said he might have
Speaker 1: action because he had the bracelet on for the year.
Speaker 1: So if they do that, Reggie got love. Reggie be
Speaker 1: home way sooner than we know. So he just told
Speaker 1: me to getting shaped, get right. No, they over there good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, they get cakes pass and all that ship
Speaker 1: ship Now, I noticed he had on the death Row
Speaker 1: shirt while y'all was driving him up, but when he
Speaker 1: walked in, it didn't look like he still had that
Speaker 1: death Row shirt. It ain't been warm trying to keep right.
Speaker 1: I mean, if I mean that's how you feel, that's
Speaker 1: how you feel. I have went in there with it
Speaker 1: just a T shirt me. But Reggie, I mean, that
Speaker 1: could bring all different types of ship. And then it
Speaker 1: ain't like motherfucker's didn't know he was coming. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they listen to the now Cato on on smokel Our Radio.
Speaker 1: You had both Reggie and James on the show about
Speaker 1: what two weeks ago? About two two weeks about three
Speaker 1: last weeks ago? Yeah, yeah, you guys didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: even get to Uh we had fun over there. We're
Speaker 1: just talking to don't we just kind of just breakfast
Speaker 1: Club two point oh type of ship. We just conversate
Speaker 1: and have fun on that motherfucker like we touched it,
Speaker 1: but probably not as an intricate detail like y'all. Reggie
Speaker 1: had me over there too. Oh yeah, what happened? He's entertaining.
Speaker 1: We had a conversation about, uh what Blad had posted?
Speaker 1: Oh I did that? You guys talking about the lad
Speaker 1: posting reparations, right, you know, why would you think like that.
Speaker 1: You know you're making money off blacks, regardless off there's
Speaker 1: voluntary or not. You're getting paid, So why would you
Speaker 1: eat off me and then speak on me in this fashion?
Speaker 1: One black representations all to me. So I can honestly
Speaker 1: say I said here in this chair and and and
Speaker 1: said black was he helped me when when I was
Speaker 1: at the time where I wanted to speak out. But
Speaker 1: what the funk do that matter? If this is how
Speaker 1: you're talking, you know, you show your true colors. I
Speaker 1: can flip like that. You're the wrong person to say that.
Speaker 1: That's deep, that's deep. I haven't seen the tweet myself.
Speaker 1: I would like to see the tweet and read how
Speaker 1: he the context he played And um, he wasn't asked
Speaker 1: that ship, you know what, I'm just Ship decided to say,
Speaker 1: so that that takes a lot of the their That
Speaker 1: pumps a lot of air into the bullshit because he
Speaker 1: wasn't asked. So you gave an honest opinion. World you
Speaker 1: felt you know what I'm saying. So you're getting comfortable
Speaker 1: because most of your bread comes from our ups and
Speaker 1: are damn you. So did Reggie take a position that
Speaker 1: he agreed that it was too late for reparations or
Speaker 1: something from from show I'm hearing about Reggie. Reggie took
Speaker 1: a Reggie position Devil's advocate type ship. Fuck it? And
Speaker 1: that's why I asked, and I said, I think you
Speaker 1: just be trolling and saying some of that ship because
Speaker 1: you can't believe some of this ship, but not that
Speaker 1: you're telling me the d Cent law enforcement and him.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking he had a little thug juice dripping.
Speaker 1: So some of that ship I used to rebuttals when
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not talking about the gangster part of
Speaker 1: about the person. I'm talking about the outlook when he
Speaker 1: said earlier about him going to sit down, gonna make
Speaker 1: him understand his angle searching, So I mean it on
Speaker 1: that level, not gangster. And I'm talking about far as
Speaker 1: how you siprocate ship, Well, he definitely got to understand
Speaker 1: it now by by being behind there. Are they gonna
Speaker 1: treat you different in there than every other inmate in there? No?
Speaker 1: No they're not. No state is the inmate's gonna treat
Speaker 1: you like that? Now, So you know that's one thing
Speaker 1: by being in prison. You might have to worry by
Speaker 1: the motherfucker just mad that you didn't want to just
Speaker 1: stab your ass. You that don't want to go home.
Speaker 1: Fucking I go back over there. But I got that mother.
Speaker 1: But everybody at that campus got short time. It don't matter.
Speaker 1: A lot of men that had uh two days and
Speaker 1: wake up and win to stabb the motherfucker. I can't
Speaker 1: leave this yard without getting this motherfucker. Some motherfucker's don't
Speaker 1: turn up to They can't with that mentality. And and
Speaker 1: and I can't exclude him from not having somebody to
Speaker 1: feel that way or whatever, but to take up for
Speaker 1: people and you know they're wrong, like Reggie do. We
Speaker 1: didn't argue many times sitting here, and my point is
Speaker 1: now he see what I'm talking about because you on
Speaker 1: the other side of defense. I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to change the way you think. So you think when
Speaker 1: Regg get out, he's gonna have a kind of a
Speaker 1: different outlook, different on a lot of on a lot
Speaker 1: of ships or not. Because when you sit here and say,
Speaker 1: when we were talking about going out and those guys
Speaker 1: was acting, can they start this what was that that
Speaker 1: in Madrid somewhere and how he was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: gang bangers going to rule hold up. I don't given
Speaker 1: how you cutting you damn their game are you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So so going to jail, having to
Speaker 1: sit down, he gonna, he gonna he's living with people.
Speaker 1: But here's my question, as Reggie Wright being the head
Speaker 1: of Death Row security, he had to turn his face
Speaker 1: at a lot of criminal activity like beatens and assaults.
Speaker 1: He knew people was getting stomped out. The question we
Speaker 1: should ask Reggie why he was here, but why would
Speaker 1: he have to turn his face? But I'm saying he
Speaker 1: was able to accept that. He put himself in an
Speaker 1: environment where all kind of assaults and all kinds of things. Understand,
Speaker 1: Reggies got damped up. He's just a different us, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He ain't unleashed, he ain't let out.
Speaker 1: Reggie is another one of us. He just a black man.
Speaker 1: I don't want to call him a nigga, but he
Speaker 1: definitely does not believe that there's a problem with unarmed
Speaker 1: people of color getting shot by the police. He don't
Speaker 1: think that's the problem. That's that's that's not true. I
Speaker 1: don't care what position he's stand behind the beach always
Speaker 1: supports the police officer and make that stand to make
Speaker 1: games of chronicles what it is we have to do,
Speaker 1: you know, agree to disagree Devil's advocate. But if that's
Speaker 1: the if that's the I I think he took that
Speaker 1: role as Devil's advocates so strongly he developed his own
Speaker 1: mental capacity and setting that bullshit. He believe Reggie Reggie.
Speaker 1: When Reggie was officer, he's totally different from what you see.
Speaker 1: His opinion and his input and ship was was he
Speaker 1: was rough. Well where was the mental switch at? When
Speaker 1: did the ship switching click to the next side to
Speaker 1: the dark side? And I don't know why we never
Speaker 1: even spoke on that. When when you're here and when
Speaker 1: Reggie Reggie was a police officer, and I think we
Speaker 1: did talk about that. The conversation came up about shuged
Speaker 1: being kidnapped and all that ship. Reggie Senior called Reggie right,
Speaker 1: his son Junior Junior, Get what sugar they're talking down?
Speaker 1: He becomes part of death Row. Now, you know, you
Speaker 1: don't embarked on something totally different now because the police
Speaker 1: is already looking at death Row. Now we got police
Speaker 1: officers here in death Row which I didn't like, and
Speaker 1: I've said it on this show, Blad and everywhere else.
Speaker 1: And I so told Reggie is I don't think you
Speaker 1: should be here the police because by him coming there,
Speaker 1: you gotta look at all of these guys sitting against
Speaker 1: this wall. You have arrested these brothers, the Homers, and
Speaker 1: now you have to work with it. So, like Reggie said,
Speaker 1: it took time for us to even like get to
Speaker 1: get to fill each other. But in the same choken,
Speaker 1: I know y'all seen deep covering all that other ship.
Speaker 1: The longer you stay in, the more you're gonna learn
Speaker 1: how to get reset. You're one of us, and and
Speaker 1: and and and he and it. Gradually it came that,
Speaker 1: I know y'alln't called Reggie many times saying one of
Speaker 1: the home, he's one of us, and then whatnot that
Speaker 1: I ain't I ain't never game, but he kept He
Speaker 1: catches himself a lot of time where he puts himself
Speaker 1: as one of the mob par rules, but then he says, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I never wasn't a member of the mall. And the
Speaker 1: reason why you do that is because he had and
Speaker 1: Reggie grew up in the neighborhood you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And by growing up in the neighborhood, now you're arresting
Speaker 1: motherfucker's now you he ain't beating him, but a couple
Speaker 1: of couple of cats he had fights with that. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to jail. Now you gotta wrestle him and
Speaker 1: and and go to jail. But where where where where
Speaker 1: I met is Reggie had to like gradually get into
Speaker 1: what his position at death role before they even started
Speaker 1: interacting with each other. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: got the cops on this side, and then you got
Speaker 1: the blows on this side, and then you got the
Speaker 1: cryption the studio. So Reggie and was just their own
Speaker 1: little thing and he was sucking shure. So now the
Speaker 1: homies is okay. Regg is he own one? He doing this,
Speaker 1: He doing okay. So now he accepted. Now, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of neighborhoods have that one guy that became
Speaker 1: a cop or went to the military. In fact, recently
Speaker 1: there was a guy named Pierre Romayne who actually went
Speaker 1: to um Verbon Day with um with Reggie, right, But
Speaker 1: Pierre roman was from rolling sixties crib and then he
Speaker 1: went to the military. Then he became a cop, but
Speaker 1: then they charged him with an old murder that happened
Speaker 1: in the eighties because of d n A. And he
Speaker 1: was found guilty of seven murder back in two thousand
Speaker 1: seventeen or too no, uh, he was resting two thousand
Speaker 1: and seventeen. He was just found guilty this year, two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. But I'm wondering how many people did we
Speaker 1: grow up with that became cops and went to the military,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think there's a whole lot lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do we look at them. Here's a question we always
Speaker 1: look at the police department is like, man, it's too white.
Speaker 1: It don't look like us. But then when there is
Speaker 1: someone that looks like us as a cop, we say,
Speaker 1: sell out, Uncle Tom. But but a lot of them
Speaker 1: don't take on the they just like us attitude. They
Speaker 1: turned into them until some some tumultuos happened in their
Speaker 1: life and they need to niggas back, they need to
Speaker 1: ghetto back, but they don't. Just like I said on
Speaker 1: one day on the show, like and there's no been
Speaker 1: no documentations of one black cop at least getting that
Speaker 1: his co workers, Like we do need to be retrained.
Speaker 1: We new need to be read. Who who? So you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that they don't. It's always shut
Speaker 1: up this, you know what I'm saying. Or the nigga
Speaker 1: with the stripes that don't give fun, he already been
Speaker 1: reset so tough. It's like ships. So yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like that. But that's a small cases. Like Reggie,
Speaker 1: you got niggas that that hood, that hood life took
Speaker 1: over and he rather to be hood than on that
Speaker 1: other side. He had fun over there. It's not just that.
Speaker 1: It's white cops too that that feel that way. You know,
Speaker 1: they grew up a certain kind of way, but then
Speaker 1: down Mexican police officers, they grew up a certain kind
Speaker 1: of way. They go to the military, they come home,
Speaker 1: what jobs do they have available for them being police officers? Correctly,
Speaker 1: because they take it a whole other way. They insert
Speaker 1: their people into the system so they can look out
Speaker 1: for their people. Is wrong. We just don't do that.
Speaker 1: We just don't do it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But never wrong with it. If every motherfucking thugged me,
Speaker 1: that just woking the street right now today, say he
Speaker 1: haven't encountered the cop that he ever sit back on
Speaker 1: the car and conversated with he is a goddamn line.
Speaker 1: How do you think they get to know you and
Speaker 1: and funk with you like that? The White Card used
Speaker 1: to do that, you know when the White Card come out. Yea,
Speaker 1: they want to get your whole name and everything, gang
Speaker 1: name and all that. Ship. Come on, man, But yeah,
Speaker 1: Reggie is Reggie is totally is different and he's gonna
Speaker 1: be different when he comes on. All right, straighten up
Speaker 1: and fly right. I'm gonna go through some fact checks
Speaker 1: from last week. There's only a few here. Reggie actually
Speaker 1: brought up the name of a Compton police officer that
Speaker 1: had killed two Samoans, and he said, uh, it's not
Speaker 1: on my list. Remember, because um, I made a list
Speaker 1: addressing your question from two weeks ago, how many how
Speaker 1: many cops have been charged with murder? So I looked
Speaker 1: up Al Skiles. And the reason why Al Skiles didn't
Speaker 1: show up on my list is because he wasn't charged
Speaker 1: with murder. He was actually charged with voluntary manslaughter onto
Speaker 1: Samoans and he and he beat well, he got a
Speaker 1: hung jury and then they didn't even prosecute him after that.
Speaker 1: But in he claimed that two Samoan brothers attacked him.
Speaker 1: Um Pali v to a Lua Lele thirty four and
Speaker 1: his brother it's TOLLI twenty two. We're both shot and
Speaker 1: killed by Officer Al Skiles of the Compton Police Department.
Speaker 1: This is before they became the Sheriff's And uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he killed two Simons. Do you remember that happening in
Speaker 1: the Compton in ninety one? James I heard about it
Speaker 1: and they charged him. He went to trial and got
Speaker 1: a hung jury and that was the end of the case.
Speaker 1: Two men unarmed and get a man slaughtered. Well, they
Speaker 1: charged him with They didn't even charge him with murder.
Speaker 1: They're just charging with voluntary manslaughter because he said that
Speaker 1: they threatened him. And I guess it becomes his story
Speaker 1: against the two dead guys stories. Man. I swear to God,
Speaker 1: that's one thing they need to take from the police.
Speaker 1: I feared for my life. If you fear for your
Speaker 1: mothercker life, you need to quit. Yeah. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: scared your job, you need to quit. Wow. Um. We
Speaker 1: also talked about homeboys pushing up on on other guys
Speaker 1: women and when we mentioned this one woman that actually
Speaker 1: has babies by two Jackson brothers, Um, I couldn't remember
Speaker 1: her name last week. Her name is Andra genevive Oza.
Speaker 1: She's from Colombia. She met She met Randy Jackson in
Speaker 1: eighty six. They never married and she had two kids
Speaker 1: with Randy, Genevieve and Randy Jr. But while Randy was
Speaker 1: out of town one day, Jermaine starts dating his brother's
Speaker 1: girlfriend and then they secretly get married. In um, Randy
Speaker 1: was hot as you, and um he ended up having
Speaker 1: two kids with her, Jeremiah Jackson born in ninety six
Speaker 1: and Gerr Majesty Jackson born in two thousand. So, um,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting dynamic. They keep you Daddy is a mask, niggas,
Speaker 1: They keeping that ship real real, real motherson for all
Speaker 1: of those because that was his brother's baby mama. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something you never touched. If you get out like that,
Speaker 1: you're with anything and anybody's chick. But then eventually Jermaine
Speaker 1: actually married her and then they got divorced. Well he
Speaker 1: got married, he though, so when he came back from tour,
Speaker 1: how the fund was Thanksgiving that year? Oh man, I
Speaker 1: wonder I would love it to that long got damn
Speaker 1: Randy Jackson. I would like to know what that first
Speaker 1: conversation between Randy and Jermain, was like, man, I leave
Speaker 1: out the channel. You're gonna go fuck my bench because
Speaker 1: too much, So how are we gonna do this? You
Speaker 1: just take my woman like that. You're supposed to be
Speaker 1: my brother. Foo. She's from Colombia. I don't care where
Speaker 1: she from. Chapels are, uncle, but you take her. You
Speaker 1: have heard I'm gonna keep your nose right ever, talk
Speaker 1: to me again, clown. So then Jermain actually just sat
Speaker 1: there and let it all happen. Jermaine finds out that
Speaker 1: Alejandro Genevieve was actually married married still married to someone
Speaker 1: else and was able to get his marriage annulled. She
Speaker 1: just came in there, she came white, everybody out. And
Speaker 1: you know what's funny is now she's got she's got
Speaker 1: four kids by the Jackson's. She's living in the Haven,
Speaker 1: hers house in the valley, the Big Jackson House, and
Speaker 1: Mama Jackson actually told her you have to leave before
Speaker 1: she do though, I would have tested those kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could have been kids. Man, she already got another
Speaker 1: husband somewhere, So what else is she doing now? I
Speaker 1: saw pictures of kids. They they looked just like she
Speaker 1: ran a play now what's your few kato on this
Speaker 1: on this woman that ended up, you know, having kids
Speaker 1: by brothers. They should have treated her like she well,
Speaker 1: she came in like the bed horse she should have been.
Speaker 1: They didn't know, they didn't They didn't know that at
Speaker 1: the time Randy met her when she was seventeen and
Speaker 1: Randy was twenty four. So was that when he was
Speaker 1: Barry gordy daughter. No, Jermaine was with Barry Gordy. But
Speaker 1: so Jermaine slipped in aftery don't take it personal after
Speaker 1: his hit ran out, I guess, so that would have
Speaker 1: been in uh, when Jermaine started dating Randy's girlfriend, But
Speaker 1: by this time he was Jermaine was already divorced from
Speaker 1: from Hazel Gordy and he already left another woman named
Speaker 1: Margaret maul Denado, who he had. He had a baby
Speaker 1: by Hazel Gordy and Margaret Maldonado around the same time.
Speaker 1: And then Hazel was fed up with Jermaine, she divorced Jermaine,
Speaker 1: and then after after he left Margaret Maldonado or Margaret
Speaker 1: left Jermaine, Jermaine started dating Randy's girlfriend. A woman don't
Speaker 1: want to stuck up man. A woman don't want a
Speaker 1: man to thank you. Pretty that she is, and that's
Speaker 1: what the Jackson was. They thought they was pretty people
Speaker 1: on this planet and the name was more ain't with
Speaker 1: the other brothers getting a main like hey man, you're tripping.
Speaker 1: Man didn't say nothing. Okay, though it ain't no fun
Speaker 1: if the brother can't have so jest at it's always
Speaker 1: a hop. You gotta come in thinking like that and
Speaker 1: knowing what you bring into the house. She even even
Speaker 1: get out like well, I read a quote from from Genevieve.
Speaker 1: Genevieve and she said that Randy, the first boyfriend, never
Speaker 1: really treated her as the one. And when she met Germaine,
Speaker 1: who was the older brother, he was more mature and
Speaker 1: he really took the relationship more serious. Yeah, he had
Speaker 1: that grown man swag. No, no, that don't matter. If
Speaker 1: she was a good woman, a woman of standards, she
Speaker 1: did deal with what she got already and tried to
Speaker 1: You said, you can mold Joe, man, what do you
Speaker 1: want the mother to be? I don't think. Man, Come on, baby,
Speaker 1: you gotta get up and do this. Come on, baby,
Speaker 1: you gotta do that. But you can't tell the Jackson
Speaker 1: though they like you just said they was standards. So
Speaker 1: he's doing his thing and she was so excessful. It's
Speaker 1: still a no touch zone. Well, unfortunately, Katherine Jackson, the
Speaker 1: matriarch of the family, told her, you have to leave
Speaker 1: here with all them grandkids out the house, and they
Speaker 1: actually had to. It took a while to get her out.
Speaker 1: The pops A big, big joe was taken down, like, uh,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's all in housekeepers and ships, so you know they
Speaker 1: don't fake out from their daddy. Hey, the still mill
Speaker 1: workers ain't no joke man. Shit. Well that's from last weekly.
Speaker 1: Don't want to They hired from within. Alejandra Genevivea Osiaza
Speaker 1: is her name. And the last fact check from last
Speaker 1: week is um James. When you were talking about when
Speaker 1: you you were telling some amazing Tom Klein stories during
Speaker 1: the Fern Hill Record days, you had mentioned that you
Speaker 1: were staying in Laguna with someone named Biggie, just explain
Speaker 1: who Biggie is. It's not Biggie Smalls. It's not Chris
Speaker 1: for Wallace, not at all. Baby bigg is a little
Speaker 1: hommy and and me and him was doing the Fernheel thing.
Speaker 1: We had the house with the pood and baby Biggie
Speaker 1: was one of the guys that I copied the house
Speaker 1: with us. Not no Biggie Smalls, none of that. No,
Speaker 1: So it was baby Biggie all right. All right, So
Speaker 1: let's get one of the questions from this guy named
Speaker 1: Chuck m C m x C on Instagram is related
Speaker 1: to Reggie, who were just talking about. So let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and ask this question. Why why does Reggie Wright
Speaker 1: hate Black people so much? He always thinks we are
Speaker 1: guilty and up to no good and quick to make
Speaker 1: excuses for everyone else, especially the police. Now I know
Speaker 1: I've known Reggie for a while. I know he don't
Speaker 1: hate black people. But I can understand this guy's question,
Speaker 1: this brother's question. Um James, help help this brother understand
Speaker 1: and Reggie Chuck every I mean listening to Reggie, Reggie
Speaker 1: is totally different from how we think coming from a
Speaker 1: police mentality, arresting you know, men of color and and
Speaker 1: dealing with the attitudes and all of that. Reggie is
Speaker 1: totally different. You don't hate black people. He's black. He
Speaker 1: would have to hate his mama. You could have self hate.
Speaker 1: There are people, there are black folks that don't like
Speaker 1: black people, right, I mean, once you live up under
Speaker 1: that that certain code he was on, you know, wearing
Speaker 1: the blue and doing his thing. Reggie mindset was, you know,
Speaker 1: what we do is is criminal ship. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But you know, slowly, with shortly, Reggie ship
Speaker 1: is catching up, has caught up with him on you know,
Speaker 1: the things we do, how we get down and actually
Speaker 1: letting him see, you're a regular motherfucker just like us,
Speaker 1: a regular person, you know what I'm saying. But Reggie
Speaker 1: just had a lot of ship, a lot of things
Speaker 1: that he had to clear up his chest and and
Speaker 1: and be able to sit right here and just call
Speaker 1: it for what it is. But Reggie don't see it
Speaker 1: like that. Reggie see from a police perspective. So if
Speaker 1: you can understand my perspective, you gotta understand he is
Speaker 1: because of where he comes from, you know, his background.
Speaker 1: But like Reggie said many many times, you know, I
Speaker 1: ain't been in policing over twenty years. So he still
Speaker 1: don't think like us. Yeah, So I mean, I only
Speaker 1: to answer that question, Reggie thought at black people. His
Speaker 1: his way of thinking is totally different. I think he
Speaker 1: thinks that that certain things should be better with with
Speaker 1: us or it's not gonna get better with us. So
Speaker 1: Reggie is like Rocky, but I know him, I know
Speaker 1: him real good, and I know he is not about color.
Speaker 1: It's about what we do and how we it down. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm Reggie is in a position where he's seeing us
Speaker 1: in him laying on that bunk at nine, than it
Speaker 1: living clock nighttime, coming in in the inside. You gotta
Speaker 1: come in at nine, Reggie getting what we got, not
Speaker 1: only understand it. So you'll see a different Reggie, Chuck,
Speaker 1: You'll see a different Reggie. Thanks Chuck Chuck on Instagram. Now,
Speaker 1: I noticed when we talk about gang trucers, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of gang trusers being talked about in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles right now. Reggie is completely pessimistic about any sort
Speaker 1: of trucing and discussions that take place with gang neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And I hate that, man. And I hate that because
Speaker 1: if if me personally I say I'm done with that,
Speaker 1: that's not And I hear other motherfuckers say, how do
Speaker 1: you denounce your your your your hood. I'm not denouncing nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm fifty five, I'm fifty five years old. I'm not
Speaker 1: a teenager. I'm not gonna live the gang banging life
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna do that. And and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of men out there in the same position, so
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see me say I'm I'm living this life.
Speaker 1: I turned over this, but I'm still throwing up a
Speaker 1: po shaying how you doing blood or whatever, And nobody
Speaker 1: heard me come that way or say that. So man,
Speaker 1: come on, man, you gotta help me with with with
Speaker 1: that one, because he just doesn't have any belief in
Speaker 1: this type of conversation. And I want to ask Catto
Speaker 1: because Kato, you know firsthand about neighborhoods that can be
Speaker 1: enemies and then somehow figure it out and become allies again.
Speaker 1: And I'm specifically I'm talking about the forties and the thirties.
Speaker 1: They had a ten year war from I think nineties.
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that a little bit and how
Speaker 1: real that was? That that was very real because like
Speaker 1: you know, we was our friends, you know, and grew
Speaker 1: up together, like from Normandy King Elementary Manual to Crenshaw,
Speaker 1: you know, even homies at Dorsey. Whether motherfucker's choosed to
Speaker 1: know that Crenshaw had a different rule set, but you
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. And at the same time, all
Speaker 1: hood was the flagship for the forties. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, our homies and their homes because at one
Speaker 1: time it was hard in the thirties and forties, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, before the neighborhood came into play
Speaker 1: and separated a lot of things after you know, a
Speaker 1: trade and sixties chopped up the cript car so tough.
Speaker 1: So our beef was more like fucked up for me
Speaker 1: because I went to Autoba Crenshaw. I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: niggas I went to junior high school with. But in
Speaker 1: high school was suck them niggas, but back your minds,
Speaker 1: like damn you go home and go with their sister home.
Speaker 1: We got a baby body, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 1: so it's it's It's happened in a lot of other
Speaker 1: hoods that had problems and squashed it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But ours was more intimate because we really
Speaker 1: actually grew up with the niggas than than really you
Speaker 1: from folk Shat, you know what I'm saying. And um,
Speaker 1: when Tookie died, you know what I'm saying, old heads
Speaker 1: decided from my neighborhood. You know, we ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: smashing on other key ways. No more, we don't. And
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so in December of
Speaker 1: two thousand five, that's when Tookie was executed. That inspired
Speaker 1: conversations between the thirties and the forties to come to
Speaker 1: a piece of understanding that was that that that's when
Speaker 1: it happened. That's when it was official. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying to where like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: homies that had personal beef with them, y'all got they
Speaker 1: had a form to settle that. But no, man, when
Speaker 1: one person is bigger than the hood. So if the
Speaker 1: hood is staying, that's what it is. If you're from
Speaker 1: this hood, that's what it is, whether you like it
Speaker 1: or not. Period. And they don't have to go have
Speaker 1: barbecues and hang out with a motherfucker. But the rule said,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's what it is. Because you know, my
Speaker 1: hood is particularly ran from the inside out and off
Speaker 1: the outside in. So it's what it's protocols, what it is.
Speaker 1: That's what they say, that's what's gonna happen. And it's
Speaker 1: been good ever since um two thousand and six and
Speaker 1: been as far as our our dealings with them, the
Speaker 1: dealings they got with other niggas that used to be
Speaker 1: allies with them. That's a changing of the guard on
Speaker 1: a whole another level. And that just goes to sell
Speaker 1: you that a lot of the guidance is gone and
Speaker 1: this new generation don't remember old beefs, you know. And
Speaker 1: then you got this new epidemic of funck a big home.
Speaker 1: You fucking niggas ain't taught me ship because they start
Speaker 1: following the niggas we've got bred. Now you ain't gotta
Speaker 1: have cashier seniority because it's, like I said, it got
Speaker 1: to the point of damn, they turned in the wrestling
Speaker 1: or picking a wrap group being from a hood because
Speaker 1: a lot of most niggas that's acting for niggas didn't
Speaker 1: actually grow up and the motherfucker's their mom has been
Speaker 1: shipped them off and they came back to purposely. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave that alone with y'all because you got
Speaker 1: a lot of cash coming. You can't start a gang
Speaker 1: career in two thousand and nine, two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: You can't be a full flesh game, remember in two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, not even in two thousand You know what,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you're damn they're too late, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And if you're thirty and it's starting the game, bang,
Speaker 1: you heard too late game? And they and they influenced
Speaker 1: by music more than actual things happening, are distressing the hood.
Speaker 1: And I ain't gonna say no names, but I was like,
Speaker 1: you're a game banker. And the reason why I said
Speaker 1: that to this person is because they had red and
Speaker 1: Burger the hair. You had a pair of pants on
Speaker 1: that had thirty zippers. I didn't grow up like that.
Speaker 1: You you have to identify, and you do not identify
Speaker 1: by wearing a pair them type goddamned and go jeans
Speaker 1: and whatever. You had a lot of people from our generation, parents,
Speaker 1: single mothers that broke their neck to get their child
Speaker 1: out of that situation. But the praise and of the
Speaker 1: whole culture and how fly got through the media, they
Speaker 1: went back down just to That's what they deceived their
Speaker 1: president for keeping the real was when you know, smartest
Speaker 1: really the new gangster nownce a lot of niggas to
Speaker 1: miss the boat. Yeah, we came down parents. No, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. What I'm saying is opportunity was
Speaker 1: given that we didn't have. That was, you know, because
Speaker 1: we're from an era where you're from the hood. You
Speaker 1: from the hood. Wasn't no like on TV put me
Speaker 1: on Chief. That's some fictional ship that a lot of
Speaker 1: motherfuners think the ship was rooted from. And it wasn't.
Speaker 1: This was your community, this was your area, this was
Speaker 1: your hood. You didn't you didn't have to pick. You
Speaker 1: couldn't pick. You know, something's matter on the weekend, they
Speaker 1: hanging even with it. They at house. Then you grew
Speaker 1: up with the nick of your whole life. And when
Speaker 1: you get the high school, damn your blood. Damn I've
Speaker 1: been knowing you have my whole life. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: every summer you always go through his Daddy's. Every summing
Speaker 1: you go to grandma's. Mama got her first little apartment.
Speaker 1: It was over there. And but this is still my knigg.
Speaker 1: It was that becomer. Then you really ate the motherfucking
Speaker 1: The atmosphere changed, and so I think when technology came
Speaker 1: and like I always used that example of you can
Speaker 1: email the hood the motherfucker fist fighting, They're gonna email
Speaker 1: your name back. That's how they do this ship. Now
Speaker 1: it's well, Reggie if you're out there listening. You know
Speaker 1: the thirties and the forties used to have a rivalry.
Speaker 1: Well they were allies and they became rivals and all
Speaker 1: their allies again. And it's been what thirteen years now,
Speaker 1: since two thousand and six and when two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: and they haven't understand that there's gonna be a change
Speaker 1: with this truth that that's going on in l A
Speaker 1: right now. There's gonna be a change, whether he like
Speaker 1: it as a black man or not being a black man.
Speaker 1: I think everybody should jump on that board, jump jump
Speaker 1: on it. That's all talk positive about what's going on,
Speaker 1: opposed to trying to knock this truth down before you
Speaker 1: even get off his foot. That's our problem. That's not
Speaker 1: that was crazy said because like when um Nips died
Speaker 1: and everybody talked to bait I called it the day
Speaker 1: of atonement. People just wanted to that day just say look,
Speaker 1: we want to represent this energy. It wasn't a gang troops.
Speaker 1: It wasn't nigga saying we're gonna get along. It was
Speaker 1: nigga saying we're gonna open the dialogue. But you had
Speaker 1: other hoods like this hood don't make no decision for us.
Speaker 1: This hood don't such and such can't say we're gonna
Speaker 1: meet up, but we'll do. So it's a lot of
Speaker 1: different heads gotta sit at that particular gang table. And
Speaker 1: then you got the other niggas that sit at that
Speaker 1: table that's doing it for the bread, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then other niggas ain't saying this ship
Speaker 1: ain't nothing really happened, So it'll be like flavor of
Speaker 1: the mud type ship going on. And you got young
Speaker 1: niggas younger than me. They don't know what the funk
Speaker 1: just happened, but they know that it was just shooting
Speaker 1: last week. It was a shooting last night. Nothing really stopped,
Speaker 1: you know. So they take more heads than just niggas
Speaker 1: that won't change at the table. You need the grindballs
Speaker 1: at the table too, you know what I'm saying. Shooting
Speaker 1: they don't never want to talk to the dirt back
Speaker 1: grindball niggers. They always want to talk to some guy
Speaker 1: that they feel talk to them. Niggas in the trenches
Speaker 1: start getting at the start getting that the answs before
Speaker 1: they getting that nigga to the bottom of it. Is
Speaker 1: form of crew to get rid of the ones that
Speaker 1: don't want to listen. That's that's there. Gonna do that
Speaker 1: exactly that that that we do, not the police. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Police are rhetoric of discipline and then you're
Speaker 1: then you're good because I mean, that's the dialogue that
Speaker 1: need to be opened up. If you get some cats
Speaker 1: that want to go and funk off the truth that
Speaker 1: that that the East Coast guys guy with me, you know,
Speaker 1: that's something that would do. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that never thought that would if you if you ever
Speaker 1: been over there, man, that it's just a circle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they gotta live with each other, but you know people
Speaker 1: don't understand. Man, it's time we gotta stop living like that.
Speaker 1: And if we can stop living like that killing each other,
Speaker 1: then our kids and their kids gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: But we gotta bring something to it conversation. And a
Speaker 1: lot of these kid is dying to want to get
Speaker 1: down with each other and hang out and funk around,
Speaker 1: but you know, their motherfucking following suit. Yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you bring something different to the table. And you know
Speaker 1: it's a cool thing because I said, this is a
Speaker 1: lot of black men out there with money. They got
Speaker 1: money that if you put them all together, you ain't
Speaker 1: spending a million dollars. You know what I'm saying, you're spending.
Speaker 1: I mean, I ain't gonna even get into the numbers.
Speaker 1: But it ain't gonna take a million dollars from each
Speaker 1: one of you. And it ain't gonna take five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. You know what I'm saying to to to
Speaker 1: get a building, a building big enough, or building building
Speaker 1: big enough, and and a couple of busses to pick
Speaker 1: up and take to school and teach. But we did
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do that. But I guarantee you we get
Speaker 1: mad at the Mesicans, and I'm gonna point blank put
Speaker 1: it out there. We get mad at the Mesicans. They're driving,
Speaker 1: trust oh they're living in that house, they're d deep.
Speaker 1: But you're living in the five bedroom house by yourself
Speaker 1: and struggling. Who's smarter? Who's smarter? Not harder? I'll tell
Speaker 1: you that much. And start selling tacos and everything and
Speaker 1: and get our money. They even they even big water
Speaker 1: men as well. We can't sell them. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: go get to the yellow watermelon. Normally own the nigger slice.
Speaker 1: You know what's gonna damn sure, you're trying to be funny,
Speaker 1: But look at how we live opposed to everybody else.
Speaker 1: And then let's stop hating on how they live in
Speaker 1: and started living similar to that art. Let's figure out
Speaker 1: a way how to live together. And they're opposed to
Speaker 1: My sisters got two kids, got a daughter live with her,
Speaker 1: and she in a four bedroom. My other sister got
Speaker 1: a four bedroom to her and her husband and and
Speaker 1: his daughter. Nobody else, pig, You got three cousins on
Speaker 1: a damn street. That's on them. They're not coming to
Speaker 1: my house. Why if you got a job, you're gonna
Speaker 1: pay for this room you got, You got a year,
Speaker 1: you got eight months. You know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: that's how they're doing it. And then they're able to
Speaker 1: move out and get their own ship, and then now
Speaker 1: everything is good at this house. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I can pay a car, I know that I can
Speaker 1: do this, and that two people paying fifteen hundred the month,
Speaker 1: we can handle that. We can have that, and they
Speaker 1: don't never know what instead of instead of me trying
Speaker 1: to bring you up, you see me stepping on your toe.
Speaker 1: You can't climb the letter if I'm stepping on your toes,
Speaker 1: and we got to change that be a reflection how
Speaker 1: motherfucker feel about theirself when you want to breathe that
Speaker 1: much motherfucking crabbing the bucket mentality. Excuse my language, but
Speaker 1: you know we're talking real right now. You know, you
Speaker 1: got a lot of cats out there that get mad
Speaker 1: over this and get mad over that. But if we
Speaker 1: keeping one hunted, how the hood is, how we got
Speaker 1: some cats don't don't look at the hood like we
Speaker 1: look at the hood, or bang like we bang. Feel me,
Speaker 1: you got a lot of cats to sit there and
Speaker 1: and and just watching who making and pushing the most.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to the ward and
Speaker 1: I've been robbed his nigger And if I gotta kill us, nigga,
Speaker 1: kill us nigger. And I'm saying each of every last
Speaker 1: one of us, I ain't saying bam. I'm including myself
Speaker 1: with this. Fellas think like that at one point time
Speaker 1: we think like that. We gotta stop thinking like that. Well,
Speaker 1: he still got the younger generation that kind of things
Speaker 1: like that, you know, and we got the challenge of
Speaker 1: I have no problem with talking to people that are
Speaker 1: thirty five and over. We could bring them to the
Speaker 1: table easily from any neighborhoods, from any set. But when
Speaker 1: I'm in these meetings, you can count on one hand
Speaker 1: how many people there are under twenty five years old.
Speaker 1: And those are the ones. That's the thinging you're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know. But I said this months and months ago.
Speaker 1: I see people doing these water challenges as I used
Speaker 1: challenge and all it is. And I said this on
Speaker 1: the show, and we overlooked it. What if each black
Speaker 1: man over thirty five that got a kid, any black
Speaker 1: man that got a kid, video that kid teaching that kid,
Speaker 1: video yourself teaching this kid, and and put it to
Speaker 1: the show, and and and we bring something back for
Speaker 1: this one black man. Every black man teach one child
Speaker 1: could be your cousin and could be your nephew. It
Speaker 1: could be your little brother. Like teaching them with the
Speaker 1: black man suppols, I'm saying, if it's only a quick video,
Speaker 1: we gotta what's gonna be WHI are you telling them
Speaker 1: that we have to stop and and and what how
Speaker 1: important it is to be a black man, especially now
Speaker 1: however the video go, but you're teaching this youngster that
Speaker 1: that that living this way and this way is a
Speaker 1: big difference. It's a big difference. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You could be step dad. You've got a lot of
Speaker 1: step daddy's out there, better fathers than the real father.
Speaker 1: We got to step up and be fathers to our
Speaker 1: kids if we want to got a chance. I'm trying
Speaker 1: with my nephews right now, man, and it's rough. It's rough.
Speaker 1: So just think you know my sons. I don't want
Speaker 1: my sons to fall victims. So that's what you're doing today, man, Right, well,
Speaker 1: you know that ain't cool driving your car like that.
Speaker 1: It didn't get you know, conversation. It ain't all about money.
Speaker 1: It ain't all about money. It's spend a time, man,
Speaker 1: It's spend a time, quality time. It's more pressure than anything.
Speaker 1: Teaching them. That's what I'm talking about. Each one. Teach one. Also,
Speaker 1: if if you said something earlier, KA though that a
Speaker 1: lot of people are like after o gs. I just
Speaker 1: want to say, if if you have if you're from
Speaker 1: a neighborhood where the o g s don't have no influence,
Speaker 1: then your neighborhood is is in turmoil because a neighborhood
Speaker 1: that has structure listens to the big homies and if
Speaker 1: you ain't listening to the big homies, you ain't listening
Speaker 1: to those guys that have wisdom, that already been on
Speaker 1: the penitential yard for over ten years, then your neighborhood
Speaker 1: is in turmoil. You know you got aren't welcome to
Speaker 1: the table if you If you're in the neighborhood where
Speaker 1: you don't listen to the big homies, a lot of
Speaker 1: the youngsters start just listening. Who got the money? Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of the big homes don't have it like
Speaker 1: that because they did on this penitential time, and and
Speaker 1: and and just the kids don't have to be talking
Speaker 1: to big homies to a trade to get a job.
Speaker 1: But the big homies is at a standpoint because I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go back to prison for being your answer killer.
Speaker 1: I might have to kill you because some guys ain't.
Speaker 1: It ain't never, so they're gonna you know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get you on the load, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So wash it up with myself in a situation where
Speaker 1: I might have to kill his youngster. But every neighborhood
Speaker 1: has at least multiple big homies. You know, they got
Speaker 1: to come together if they have those issues. Because it's
Speaker 1: just like respecting our elders toned down and we're raised
Speaker 1: with respect our elders. And even in the streets, you
Speaker 1: raised to respect that guy that came before you. Then
Speaker 1: the majority of the big homies got families. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna break my man. I'm going to the house man,
Speaker 1: My daughter got my son gota that's why I'm gonna Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then little nicks led us, you know, left out
Speaker 1: there in the dirt. But I mean, everybody got to
Speaker 1: find some type of way to approach that situation. Because
Speaker 1: as long as you have knuckle heads, you you you
Speaker 1: your solutions, you can come up with a million. As
Speaker 1: long as you got knuckle heads, they're gonna because they
Speaker 1: look at it like, Okay, you don't went home to
Speaker 1: your house and your family, but I'm out here on
Speaker 1: the bricks and New Niggas just came to last night
Speaker 1: and we just did this, so y'all can't come in
Speaker 1: the morning time. And we've been out all night telling
Speaker 1: us this and that one you know that you know
Speaker 1: it's it's an epidemic, went on to all I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Los Angeles. Ever, everybodyhood went through a metamorphosis. That's
Speaker 1: why you got all these new beefs and these allied
Speaker 1: beefs and these you know, because of Nigga's not on
Speaker 1: the hood history. If you're not getting watched uff you
Speaker 1: got killed. Yeah, and they should be tired. We should
Speaker 1: be tired of that. All right. Let's um, we got
Speaker 1: to talk about this interview that's went viral on the internet.
Speaker 1: It's one of the most discussed interviews right now. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's well over a couple of million views. It was
Speaker 1: posted by a channel called Value Tayment and it is
Speaker 1: an interview of Sammy the Bull Gravano. And for those
Speaker 1: who don't know who Stammon the Bull Gravano is, for
Speaker 1: you youngsters, is he was the underboss of the Gambino
Speaker 1: crime family in New York, one of the five families
Speaker 1: that pretty much run the streets in New York, and
Speaker 1: in he became state's evidence and testified against his boss,
Speaker 1: John Gotti. Now everybody should know these names because there's
Speaker 1: so many rappers that are either Gambino, child Gambino, even
Speaker 1: corrupt uses the name Young Gotti. So you guys know
Speaker 1: these names. Uh. Sammon the Bull was the underboss for
Speaker 1: John Gotti, but he eventually informed on John Gotti, informed
Speaker 1: on the entire Gambino crime family, and even informed members
Speaker 1: um that were another families. I think he informed a
Speaker 1: couple of guys that were in the Genovese family. And
Speaker 1: this guy ended up getting a five year deal, one
Speaker 1: of the sweetest deals ever in the history of the
Speaker 1: American justice system, because he admitted to doing nineteen murders.
Speaker 1: He admitted to more murders than your serial killer. In fact,
Speaker 1: you can say, Sammy the Bull is a serial killer.
Speaker 1: But the federal government gave him a sweet deal let
Speaker 1: him return back to the streets after five years, which
Speaker 1: would have been in nineties seven. I think he got
Speaker 1: out ninety seven, and then he became an ecstasy drug
Speaker 1: distributor out of Arizona, and uh, he ended up catching
Speaker 1: they caught. He caught another case. He did seventeen on
Speaker 1: that and he got out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Gave this incredible interview, and um, he's the biggest informant
Speaker 1: in American history. I listened to the video, and damn, man,
Speaker 1: the man is like keeping in one hunting and and
Speaker 1: you gotta listen to him. You know, all the other
Speaker 1: guys he was speaking on those guys was was talking
Speaker 1: to him and are coming at him in a in
Speaker 1: a bad kind of way. So he was like, that
Speaker 1: what you want me to be a I'm not stupid.
Speaker 1: He explained how he was in school and a lot
Speaker 1: of people thought he just thought he was like just
Speaker 1: a dummy. But man, the dude did all kind of things. Uh,
Speaker 1: his situation doesn't make it right. I mean, only only
Speaker 1: he can say that, I believe, because what what what
Speaker 1: the way he described how umn when John Gotti gotted
Speaker 1: him to tell him, we want you to be the
Speaker 1: bad guy in here. They're gonna come at you and
Speaker 1: make you look like the monster. So I want you
Speaker 1: to go in here and say you a monster with
Speaker 1: it and I'm gonna go home, and you're gonna go
Speaker 1: on and do that time. Come on, man, what man
Speaker 1: stands that tall? It's not a man on this planet
Speaker 1: that stand that tall. I don't care what what what
Speaker 1: family are you in? But other than that, man, I
Speaker 1: see a lot of I mean, we really didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time to just listen to that and then just
Speaker 1: really go into it. So me personally, I can't speak
Speaker 1: on the dude on on his situation, but it was
Speaker 1: an interesting story. Man k what you got to say
Speaker 1: about it? I sat through it, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: checked it out, and I was like, I tripped off,
Speaker 1: like you're about to fire my fucking years? I said,
Speaker 1: what damn things like, well, you know, I said, twenty
Speaker 1: two years in prisons like the seventeen here now I'm
Speaker 1: bigger than ever. I'm wounding then with the mob. They
Speaker 1: don't kill you. You just don't have your friends no more.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this ain't nothing like they say in the movies,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But on some real ship, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm with my man right here, Like
Speaker 1: who stands that talk? Who you gonna say, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: about to go home, run all this time and throw
Speaker 1: wet phody on your bucks. You're gonna be a hero.
Speaker 1: The family's gonna love you. We out Hold up on me,
Speaker 1: Hold up player, I'm gonna run for what I ran with?
Speaker 1: But what about what you was running with? And that's
Speaker 1: a and that's the that's the niggle get his hands
Speaker 1: dirty on the lower level. That's the classic case of
Speaker 1: what the ship is going on now? But now they
Speaker 1: getting Now they're getting their little conversation for the information,
Speaker 1: so it's a little easier. But a lot of the
Speaker 1: case that they built was, you know, John Gotti used
Speaker 1: to run his mouthful lot, so they put their put
Speaker 1: the fancial No, they used to put wire taps in
Speaker 1: like different places. They used to talk, so they got
Speaker 1: him on audio talking ship, you know, but none of
Speaker 1: it was not to the police. No, no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about what was any of the ship about Sammy? Though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he used to talk down on Sammy, he's to talk.
Speaker 1: He got to hold him so so that the fans
Speaker 1: played them tapes also the sam and say, look, this
Speaker 1: is what your boss thinks of you, and he's listening
Speaker 1: to it. This is before he decided to rat. And
Speaker 1: initially he just said I don't want to hear none
Speaker 1: of that. But then eventually the fans was able to
Speaker 1: just got to him. Come on, human being. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, out of ninth Chaine, how many of you,
Speaker 1: how many him that you did that? How many times
Speaker 1: you pull the trigger out of ninth chain? That ain't
Speaker 1: important important, but this is what it was consistent. If
Speaker 1: you and you're going to drive by with me, we
Speaker 1: all run. We we the same rules. But the way
Speaker 1: they lived compared to us, it's totally different. They made money,
Speaker 1: that's all of it's about. It's all about money, about nothing.
Speaker 1: But he can honestly say he was a gangster and
Speaker 1: he was uh what you call a racketeer, a businessman, businessman.
Speaker 1: By me being a games I'm one hundred with it,
Speaker 1: but I'm still making them. I'm making money on the
Speaker 1: same time. And it's that's the way it really is
Speaker 1: out here in the streets. You know, there's that guy
Speaker 1: that can bang. He he bangs, but then there's another
Speaker 1: guy he hus you know. But every once in a
Speaker 1: while you find that guy that could do both right.
Speaker 1: But that's hard because you're usually when you're growing up,
Speaker 1: you gotta pick one. What you wanna do you want
Speaker 1: to make money or game bag? Because you got gangsters
Speaker 1: out there and started off. You ain't hid just selling
Speaker 1: marijuana and still got money. You know, that's with the business.
Speaker 1: Don't need to call him homies to come and go bam.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You've got guys out there
Speaker 1: like that. But the way he explained it is is
Speaker 1: all of this is ours. We all call this case.
Speaker 1: It ain't just mine. So nineteen might be only form's
Speaker 1: just here in my hand. So, I mean, but you
Speaker 1: could actually look those nineteen murders up um piece by piece,
Speaker 1: And because he eventually had to tell the fans everything,
Speaker 1: he didn't want to talk about it in the interview,
Speaker 1: but you could look it up each one. What his
Speaker 1: role was in all those nineteen murders. Uh, the ones
Speaker 1: early in his career he pulled the trigger on. His
Speaker 1: first murder was nineteen seventy. The last ones were in
Speaker 1: the late eighties, so he was part of the hit
Speaker 1: against Paul Costallano when they killed the boss, the then
Speaker 1: boss of the family. So I ain't know nothing now,
Speaker 1: I don't even get it that deep intew it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't know. I mean we're like, like, like you're
Speaker 1: saying that video, we're still on the outside looking in.
Speaker 1: Those dudes. Their life totally different, and more people would
Speaker 1: kill but sisterly ship than than our ship, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But a lot of times they would
Speaker 1: wax somebody because of a rumor or belief, like the
Speaker 1: same way you know, look at to mess with the
Speaker 1: white Yeah you went back and just just fucking lines.
Speaker 1: But I mean, man, they rules them or they have rules.
Speaker 1: We don't now. One of the things that stood out
Speaker 1: to me in the interview is he said that today's
Speaker 1: Cossa Nostra mafia it's less violent. There's less murders because
Speaker 1: there's too much FBI investigations of all of these guys
Speaker 1: all the way down to two and three. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: and that's the way the streets gotta get. You don't
Speaker 1: need a whole lot of senseless violence if you out
Speaker 1: in the streets trying to make money, hustle, do whatever
Speaker 1: you're trying to do. See, the only thing I can
Speaker 1: say about that is money talks. They still conducting business
Speaker 1: such as they did all these murders with the FBI
Speaker 1: up they wrecked them dtifteen on each family. You know
Speaker 1: how many FBI agentes that is to go bam to
Speaker 1: look into these ship they cross the notes and everything else.
Speaker 1: How many FBI agents we're getting paid to turn the head,
Speaker 1: to turn their head, to lose the brows. They're not
Speaker 1: living like and then their game is corporate. Now they
Speaker 1: got covers man, not the little boat day on the corner,
Speaker 1: no more. They got you know, they actually did, they
Speaker 1: got going on. They ain't ain't ain't ain't just the
Speaker 1: motherfucking store down the street in the restaurant, and we're
Speaker 1: shaking them down. They're shaking down corporate a million dollar companies. Now,
Speaker 1: wasn't the mother ship? They actually did indicte an FBI
Speaker 1: agent that helped uh guys in the mafia commit murders,
Speaker 1: Robert Connolly, He ended up getting a life sense and
Speaker 1: he was the FBI agent out of Boston. I believe
Speaker 1: his name is Robert Connolly. We'll double check that. Um,
Speaker 1: the town, huh the town? The town, you know, you
Speaker 1: know the town. What's what's your I want to know
Speaker 1: what you guys feel about the FBI, the federal government
Speaker 1: allowing a guy like Samon the Bull Gravano, who admitted
Speaker 1: to nineteen murders to be free again because in in
Speaker 1: the in our world, you'll never see the face of
Speaker 1: freedom again. But and and that's the difference. They don't care.
Speaker 1: Look at me the world. I would let you go.
Speaker 1: If you can give me fourteen of you, I'd rather
Speaker 1: get the fourteen of you. And you're going about your business, don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just how the police were, the hun police,
Speaker 1: No you killed, that's not doing their job. Letting the
Speaker 1: murderer go if you chell on him, because he's the
Speaker 1: one we want, I will let you go. All you
Speaker 1: would do lesser time and do a year and going
Speaker 1: about your business and what you know is what we
Speaker 1: can prove. We don't care if you Is that fair?
Speaker 1: All the guys that sitting on death road with life? No,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I think. The government is so dirty
Speaker 1: for allowing sam and the ball out after five years?
Speaker 1: More more Sammys. And then what did do after he
Speaker 1: don't get that sweet deal? After he did those five years?
Speaker 1: What did he end up doing after that? Ka though?
Speaker 1: When he got out, you end up doing some more
Speaker 1: times he wouldn't He moved to Arizona. Oh when he
Speaker 1: got that lived in Arizona at that time in ninety
Speaker 1: nine seven, and that was around the time, you know,
Speaker 1: music and ship, so that particular item that he had
Speaker 1: was hot on the entertainment market, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know that ship flooded after everything broke loose, though,
Speaker 1: and that's when his South Central real cold with no
Speaker 1: five dollars either for that ship. And you're talking about
Speaker 1: you're talking about the distributed. So he became the biggest
Speaker 1: He became the biggest ecstasy distributor. After the Feds let
Speaker 1: him out after doing five years, we're gonna do your solid.
Speaker 1: So basically the federal government became part of drug dealing
Speaker 1: like they're doing with the system. He got out and
Speaker 1: did him. I mean, I'm a natural, right because I
Speaker 1: got something else I need to do. But look at it,
Speaker 1: got a podcasting straight after twenty three years in prison.
Speaker 1: But damn, I mean you can change. Yeah. Now, did
Speaker 1: you hear the part about the Don King story where
Speaker 1: they were trying to get into boxing and John Gotti
Speaker 1: told Sammy, UM will tell Don King to do this
Speaker 1: deal so we can get some boxing go by trained
Speaker 1: by Um Freddy Um, not necessarily training, but trying to
Speaker 1: get a deal. What they wanted to do is bring
Speaker 1: this Italian fighter from Italy who was undefeated to fight
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson. He was gonna come fight Ray Mercer and
Speaker 1: then after he beat Ray Mercer was gonna fight Mike
Speaker 1: Tyson for a big purse. So John Gotti told had me,
Speaker 1: you know, go talk to Don King about it. So
Speaker 1: Sammy sends his other dude from the family to go
Speaker 1: talk about it, and Don King says, no, I don't
Speaker 1: want nothing to do with that. So the guy tells
Speaker 1: Sammy he said no, So Sammy tells John don King
Speaker 1: said no, So John Gotti said, kill Don King. Then
Speaker 1: so he ordered a hit on Don King for Sammy
Speaker 1: to to to fill. So Sammy sends the guy to
Speaker 1: go kill Don King and the dude end up running off.
Speaker 1: He said no, I'm not killing Don King and he disappeared,
Speaker 1: And so he told the whole crazy story about John
Speaker 1: Gotti wanting Don King killed. But darn King, well he
Speaker 1: that's what he said. He said that, Um he said.
Speaker 1: Don King said, Look, he's from Cleveland, he knows people,
Speaker 1: he did time. He don't want to do the deal.
Speaker 1: He's telling John Gotti, you don't want to do the deal.
Speaker 1: You can't make this man do the deal if you
Speaker 1: don't want to do the deal. And John said, you
Speaker 1: know what, if you don't want to do the deal,
Speaker 1: kill him. That's all that John didn't want to hear
Speaker 1: nothing about he did time before, and he's connected to
Speaker 1: the did the Cleveland. He just said kill him. And
Speaker 1: that was the way John Gardy was. You know, so
Speaker 1: I thought that was crazy story. That was a crazy
Speaker 1: story about about Don King almost getting killed by the
Speaker 1: Gambino crime family. Um, let's see what else we got here. Um,
Speaker 1: he told a crazy Teddy Atlas story. Another boxing story. Oh,
Speaker 1: here's this is funny. He told the story about converting
Speaker 1: to a Native He converted to a Native American religion
Speaker 1: so he can smoke. I guess they banned cigarettes and
Speaker 1: the fairs at this time, so the only people that
Speaker 1: were allowed to smoke were people that had religious and
Speaker 1: spiritual reasons. So Samitable converts to the Native American religion
Speaker 1: so he can smoke for those five years. I don't
Speaker 1: blame me, but I mean everything they take from you,
Speaker 1: you find a way to get it back. That's just jail.
Speaker 1: I was living, all right. So, um, we got another
Speaker 1: question here. This is for you, James. We actually talked
Speaker 1: about this on a previous episode, but this is from
Speaker 1: MS on the LOWTHO on Instagram. What was the story
Speaker 1: behind the Bounty Hunter hunters having Shug surrounded at in
Speaker 1: the Nicholson Garden housing projects during the o F TV
Speaker 1: video shoot. I think that that was the video for cracking.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well only only he wasn't surrounded. It was
Speaker 1: two people that came to get that shipped. Um, and
Speaker 1: one of those guys is no longer decea um shug
Speaker 1: got dealers with a little bit of everybody. But these
Speaker 1: two particular cats were, you know, like really on their ship,
Speaker 1: and uh, we were standing there, Me and the homie
Speaker 1: Wall were standing there when they approached him and and
Speaker 1: and we wouldn't gonna let it go down at first
Speaker 1: because they wanted to go in our bathroom and holler.
Speaker 1: So Show was like looking like, what should I do?
Speaker 1: You ain't going in there? And I got at the
Speaker 1: home and was like, oh man, y'all ain't gonna do
Speaker 1: him like that in here, and uh He's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean it's we but we got a holida him.
Speaker 1: You already know the deal, so I already knew what
Speaker 1: was having And she looked at me. I looked at Walter.
Speaker 1: He looked at them. He said, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Just wait right here. He went in there. They had
Speaker 1: they talked it, they think, and came out and after
Speaker 1: that we were left the video shoot. Was it a
Speaker 1: little bit of bullying going on with the two dudes
Speaker 1: from Bounty hunting on somewhere? Yeah, yeah, that that's that's
Speaker 1: that was their intent. But there was no no hands
Speaker 1: was put on that. Okay, no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no no. Even though uh at that time,
Speaker 1: no and and and and those guys was like one
Speaker 1: hunter with me. I've been knowing, uh, what's the name
Speaker 1: for a long time. I don't think we couldn't let
Speaker 1: that happen. And this is before Reggie Wright had Right
Speaker 1: Way Security. This is pre Reggie. This is pre right
Speaker 1: Way security. It was like ninety three or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hey man, let me tell you. They had twelve year olds,
Speaker 1: little a little youngsters. All of them had a strap.
Speaker 1: They was ready. You don't want to go into project. Now.
Speaker 1: How deep were the pirus um during that video shoot?
Speaker 1: Because you look at thee enough there was about a
Speaker 1: hundred bounty hunters in that video. It was a little
Speaker 1: more than that there. But we were we were we was,
Speaker 1: we was pretty deep. And and you know, it's just
Speaker 1: sad to say, you know, going to different blood neighborhoods
Speaker 1: where you're from, you you were blood. We associate, we're
Speaker 1: supposed to. But the tension that was there because of
Speaker 1: his dinner shook dinners with them, and what they purposed
Speaker 1: was kind of like pretension on so every we all
Speaker 1: knew that what was going on. This ain't the first
Speaker 1: time this happened, so we already knew the situation. But
Speaker 1: once they talked, just being uncomfortable. One of the homeboys
Speaker 1: was drinking a photy and one of these little cats
Speaker 1: came look, little Barnie. How the dude came up and said,
Speaker 1: can I hit that blood? And he let him hit it?
Speaker 1: And he just turned around and walked away with the
Speaker 1: damn here with with the phony, right, So I'm liken,
Speaker 1: go get your phonty back now he can have that
Speaker 1: mother were they were strapped and ready, which we were too,
Speaker 1: but a lot of people would have got hurt if
Speaker 1: that would have went bad that day. But it turned
Speaker 1: out good. And as the shire conversation he had of
Speaker 1: his business with them, Uh, that's all I gotta say.
Speaker 1: And all that was was just a push for getting
Speaker 1: another check. I guess, Uh it was more no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it was. It was more to it than that. But
Speaker 1: but I mean that's something what's going But um should
Speaker 1: had his hands in a lot of things that wouldn't
Speaker 1: always music exactly, and and and things that he should
Speaker 1: have took care of, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: other than that, I mean, he had to back up
Speaker 1: with there with him. If he didn't want to go
Speaker 1: in that bathroom, that's where everything would have started. And
Speaker 1: if he just said no, I ain't going to no
Speaker 1: bathroom with y'all, that's where we did. We did, it
Speaker 1: would have been on right then and there. All right, Kato,
Speaker 1: you on't smoke a lot radio, but you just started,
Speaker 1: uh tapping. You don't really get to talk about that long.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. How did that come about? Young?
Speaker 1: Gave me action that uh digital salt box good looking,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They gave me action at
Speaker 1: my own um, my own platform to push my line
Speaker 1: my way. So you know, I just chose tapping in
Speaker 1: with Kato because I tap in a different thing from
Speaker 1: political side and music side, street side. I kinda kind
Speaker 1: of like the MTV field I come to you, you
Speaker 1: know what I said. I got the Eastwood episode up there.
Speaker 1: We premiered the Nipsey Hustle Masterpiece song on there, which
Speaker 1: ain't drop chet that's dropping on his new project Problem Child.
Speaker 1: And I also interviewed Mayor elect from Pasadeena Major williams
Speaker 1: Um just to show my range in this podcast game.
Speaker 1: And I can sit down and talk to somebody from
Speaker 1: the loves of the dogs of the street to a
Speaker 1: political person, you know. And I'm just showing us a
Speaker 1: different ship to tap in other than dancing catching the ball,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm just you know, coming
Speaker 1: from Repio set dbd C banging. So a lot of
Speaker 1: niggas known me from that and they can see my
Speaker 1: growth on a whole another level. So tapping in as
Speaker 1: me just showing my range on this podcast game them know,
Speaker 1: pay close attention to take me serious because everything ain't
Speaker 1: pooping and giggling on this one. But we're having fun too.
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, my time to run one.
Speaker 1: Now you have a song on that uh Reppio set?
Speaker 1: When did that come out? Like? That came O oh
Speaker 1: six oh six under Reportable Records and Universal dropped it
Speaker 1: at all of h a double CD with a lot
Speaker 1: of dimos and crips on there. From Compton, Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: We do on Eat West Side Gang really, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and uh, you know we mean my
Speaker 1: boy Jackie Boy and baby Boat rock that ship I
Speaker 1: hate the hook down and a big chuck and then
Speaker 1: produced the whole album. So it came out. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm looking to see it on Netflix
Speaker 1: and something a minute, how to how media is going down?
Speaker 1: So I give me a check beat. Here's somebody need
Speaker 1: to play. But it's a lot of niggas that was
Speaker 1: really reportables from their neighborhood made music. But the whole
Speaker 1: one rule what you couldn't diss. So it wasn't like
Speaker 1: when banging on wax. So when my homies made True Blue,
Speaker 1: where you dissed just to run that, but you couldn't
Speaker 1: dis another hood when you when you wrap when you're
Speaker 1: from a neighborhood and no need to this. When I
Speaker 1: do my interviews for Street TV, I always get somebody
Speaker 1: you know that they start to fall back into their
Speaker 1: element and they start saying, um, yeah them crabs or
Speaker 1: I say cut you say that without distance. It's a
Speaker 1: trip about this project because when this project came out
Speaker 1: and came out on national basis, and to put a
Speaker 1: lot of targets on nigga's backs, because when on social
Speaker 1: media like that, before the ship dropped, most of the
Speaker 1: niggas on these albums is dead. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know when that album dropped a couple of niggs
Speaker 1: from Kelly park got killed even the set or the banging.
Speaker 1: I was younger for banging on Wapio set and a
Speaker 1: couple of niggs got violated pos looking at the motherfucking DVD,
Speaker 1: they see niggas with choppers, and then niggas like, oh
Speaker 1: we have some nigga switched hoods. It was a lot
Speaker 1: went down, And at that time, when that album dropped,
Speaker 1: I was pursuing my music on a regular ship. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'm known now you know what I'm saying. Before
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, everybody knew easy to be
Speaker 1: with some content, but you didn't hear nothing. I mean,
Speaker 1: Kelly Parker here in this music. So so how do
Speaker 1: your homies look at you? I mean, well, what's crazy?
Speaker 1: Because I got asked to do the song a couple
Speaker 1: of times. I said no because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: make no song like that, because I knew what was
Speaker 1: coming with it, because I already was digging in early
Speaker 1: in the nineties, so I knew to play. But I
Speaker 1: had another homie ain't gonna say his name, but he
Speaker 1: got at me. He was like, look, man, just you
Speaker 1: this platform to blow your own ship up. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, we want this ship right. We won't
Speaker 1: a real homie, real homies, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: on there, that's gonna represent us right. And so my
Speaker 1: idea when I got with the homie j d Um
Speaker 1: Bowl was, let's make that motherfucker sound fun like an
Speaker 1: anthem for us. Let's let's be the only ones that
Speaker 1: act like we like being from our other. Because you
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of niggas music on there, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna through this. So we chose to make our
Speaker 1: ship because our you know, we we loved ones, were
Speaker 1: sunk around. We we have blue tie affairs, we party,
Speaker 1: we rocked. We ain't never buin us on the street ship,
Speaker 1: but homies, homiesme, real homies love each other. We funck around,
Speaker 1: we loved one. So that song was wasn't hard to
Speaker 1: make because it came from the heart from all of
Speaker 1: m j B the Bowl, Free Baby Bow with Ah.
Speaker 1: My job was to make that motherfucker sound connected, tight
Speaker 1: and right, you know what I'm saying. And we're gonna
Speaker 1: stamp that ship all way and do it all way.
Speaker 1: And I haven't been in liquor stores slipping in different
Speaker 1: hoods and blood niggas and goted me like one nigga
Speaker 1: pulled up. I'm over there by the old stand over
Speaker 1: the Englewood and they got about of the store trying
Speaker 1: to grab me a little podkast. A couple of blunts.
Speaker 1: Niggas pulled up bumping that ship hopped out the car.
Speaker 1: Nig we listened to that ship right now, you're the
Speaker 1: nigga from the rep. Y'all said so, I depending on
Speaker 1: how certain niggas had with their candle when that ship dropped,
Speaker 1: I gained a lot of respect out of that ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because me and my niggas
Speaker 1: was real about it. A lot of it was good
Speaker 1: music from some hoods, something like west Side Paroules had
Speaker 1: a banger, The Nutty Blocks had a banger, like the
Speaker 1: niggas ask some hard ass ship. Now. That was the
Speaker 1: CD and a d double CD and DVD. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We didn't have no damn footage in
Speaker 1: our hood because a lot of niggas had the footage
Speaker 1: in their hood. We was gonna throw a big gas
Speaker 1: baseball game with the Home Home Girls versus the Folk
Speaker 1: Tray Home Girls, and that was gonna be our footage
Speaker 1: and we was gonna show the dopeness the fun ship,
Speaker 1: but the cameras niggas booked. Then I guess they went
Speaker 1: to another hood to get some footage and they got
Speaker 1: booked for their cameras, so we didn't get we didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance to push our line. But we had
Speaker 1: a whole event, barbecue and everything setting for our ship.
Speaker 1: Our ship was gonna be liquor. You know, we west
Speaker 1: Side Roller was rich rolling, so it was on some
Speaker 1: fun ship, fresh ship with it. So you know, if
Speaker 1: I could take it all back, I'll still do that,
Speaker 1: motherfucker because we represented right alright. So where can people
Speaker 1: find your tap in with Cato show? Right here with
Speaker 1: y'all man, I'm on digital, so you get some Spotify,
Speaker 1: Google brother, you know, said radio dot Com brother. She's
Speaker 1: gonna do when the tap in comes down on you
Speaker 1: man on my movel, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: Smoke a Lot. It's it's just like how Smoke a
Speaker 1: Lot is the Cogedy Show and tap in is a
Speaker 1: different world. But you get to do this. You get
Speaker 1: to do this by yourself, so you don't have two
Speaker 1: other voices. You're competing with no and I don't have
Speaker 1: the studio format. I go to him, so that enables
Speaker 1: me to kind of really tap in with you. And
Speaker 1: I'm adapting to the environment of my guests. So you're
Speaker 1: gonna see some episodes. I'm somewhere where you might figurively
Speaker 1: think I'm not supposed to be there, but if you're
Speaker 1: a nigga, like hey Don, you should have been there.
Speaker 1: So who are some of your upcoming guests on Tapping
Speaker 1: with I got my boy Kareem Grimes. He plays in
Speaker 1: All American. He coming on. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I gotta. I don't want to give everybody up because
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess up to tap, but I
Speaker 1: got some good I gotta. I'm waiting for James Savage
Speaker 1: and rascasting them to come from Russia. They're gonna rock
Speaker 1: with me, you know, because everybody needs so know. The
Speaker 1: reintroduction of jail felony is James Savage, so he's gonna
Speaker 1: tap in with me. You know. I talked to Uncle
Speaker 1: corrupting them in a minute. But I'm trying to give
Speaker 1: up some right now, some new fresh ship and some
Speaker 1: new heroes out here that, like I say, some actors.
Speaker 1: I'm tapping with the food truck motherfucker's you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. All this new ship that we can be
Speaker 1: um showcasing, so I want to use my platform, whatever
Speaker 1: city or whatever, don't matter. I'm tapping in. I'm coming through.
Speaker 1: I'm sliding on you as long as you've got some
Speaker 1: ship work to be tapped in on. Don't mind off?
Speaker 1: All right, well, love everybody know before we wrap up
Speaker 1: the show, Kato where they can find you at online
Speaker 1: on Instagram. You can find me the Cato for in
Speaker 1: your kt O E F O R N I A
Speaker 1: at Gmail on UM. I'm not really on Twitter like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I probably should, but I
Speaker 1: don't be on that ship. And just funk with smoke
Speaker 1: a lot yucking mouth TV right now we're airing all
Speaker 1: of episodes off Yukmouth TV on on YouTube, so you
Speaker 1: can tap into the yadada. Yeah what I'm saying, And uh,
Speaker 1: Facebook ain't ship, so yeah, just suck with me on
Speaker 1: Instagram man and tapping with the nigga. And if you're
Speaker 1: an artists out there, actor somebody that's doing this stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Fun with the nigga, I
Speaker 1: throw the holly back, all right. And before we wrap up, James,
Speaker 1: you wanted to address one of these questions that I
Speaker 1: was gonna actually say for next week, but go ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kevin Burrell and James McDonald was the two officers that
Speaker 1: got killed. His name was actually James McDonald, Sam is
Speaker 1: his exact name name was. And James McDonald. He was
Speaker 1: a white cop. And Kevin Burrell was was a brother.
Speaker 1: He was a jailer too, cool as the mud. And
Speaker 1: all the guys in Compton that went to jail, Kevin
Speaker 1: Burrell was cool as the mud. Now that's a question
Speaker 1: from Logo five on Apple Podcasts that asked, can you
Speaker 1: speak on the two Compton police officers that were gunned
Speaker 1: down in actually going in the wrong place at the
Speaker 1: wrong time. Uh, it was pulling over a bounty hunter.
Speaker 1: Actually yeah, I don't want to speak bad on burning
Speaker 1: hunt his but he was going through some ship and
Speaker 1: and the situation happened. I don't know what was on
Speaker 1: his mind or whatever. I'm speaking of. Kevin brill And
Speaker 1: and and James McDonald, they was cool, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about cool, and they was partners, I guess that night
Speaker 1: and running to Jim and last their lives. It's very
Speaker 1: rare that someone drops two cops, let alone just one.
Speaker 1: I'm mad at somebody. Now, if you're in the same car,
Speaker 1: I mean, it goes to say, are you e very
Speaker 1: just saying kind of held four game bangers in the car,
Speaker 1: get cut with eight cage, pull over and let the
Speaker 1: police take eight cages from him. But you're shooting the niggers,
Speaker 1: but you're pull over for the police. Blow the windows
Speaker 1: out there, motherfucking whistle. They're gonna stop. Now. I didn't
Speaker 1: say that. I'm talking about usion, but still, ye Jewish
Speaker 1: stop for the police. Ain't something wrong with that? Something's
Speaker 1: wrong with that? So I mean, yeah, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to mention them too. I knew him, and uh it
Speaker 1: was cool. It was cool, all right. Well that wraps
Speaker 1: up episode thirty one of the Gangster Chronicles. And if
Speaker 1: you're trying to track James McDonald down, you can go
Speaker 1: to Facebook and find his his page there. He's got
Speaker 1: the red Harley in the profile pick and you could
Speaker 1: also find him on Instagram at b I G G
Speaker 1: JTY thirty six. You can find me at alex Alonso
Speaker 1: one zero one on all social media platforms um nine
Speaker 1: zero nine eight sixty four zero four if you're still
Speaker 1: trying to get one of them death row shirts. Won
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Speaker 1: into federal prison And please share either the episode of
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