Speaker 1: To us buyers touch style by waddle stuck into the
Speaker 1: end zone of Miami Boy, tight frow, tight window. They
Speaker 1: had to get that touchdown on that play. They get it.
Speaker 1: What is up, Dolph fans and welcome to the Drive
Speaker 1: Time Podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins podcast network, covering
Speaker 1: your team, your Miami Dolphins. How's it going everybody? I
Speaker 1: am your host, Travis Wingfield And on today's show, Damian
Speaker 1: Parson and the Draft Network is here talking all things
Speaker 1: running backs from Rahee Mostert, Chase Edmunds, Miles Gaskin, and
Speaker 1: we're even gonna go to the full back position, talk
Speaker 1: about the alec Ingold acquisition, I should say, and we
Speaker 1: wouldn't have Damian on here and not talk NFL Draft
Speaker 1: the running backs under the microscope today for somewhere in
Speaker 1: South Florida. This is the Drivetime Podcast Miami Dolphins. You've
Speaker 1: been doing this for a couple of weeks. Now I
Speaker 1: want to go ahead and waste no time and get
Speaker 1: to my guest today from the Draft Network, Damien Parson,
Speaker 1: and joining me now is the National Scout from the
Speaker 1: Draft network dot com, the co host of The Talent
Speaker 1: Factor podcast and fellow grinder of the tape, Damien Parson, Damien,
Speaker 1: We've been talking about this podcast for a while now. Man,
Speaker 1: it's finally here. What's going on, dude? Nothing much, man,
Speaker 1: coming fresh off a PDN scouting weekend over in Aeric Phoenix,
Speaker 1: Well Scotts Stale, Arizona. So I'm, you know, still a
Speaker 1: little loopy from the time changes, you know, going from
Speaker 1: east coast to west to back to east. So other
Speaker 1: than that, man, I'm great. Brother. It's a dry heat
Speaker 1: out there. I've went there once one time for the
Speaker 1: Buddy's a bachelor party. I think it was a few
Speaker 1: years back. Dry heat out there. I think I actually
Speaker 1: prefer the humidity down here to the dry heat. I
Speaker 1: don't know what do you think about that? Man, They're dry.
Speaker 1: It takes a little bit to get used as first.
Speaker 1: Like it was like NINETI pretty much all week and
Speaker 1: um yeah, so like standing outside in the morning, it's
Speaker 1: like seventy because it was signed like I was like,
Speaker 1: oh this is great, yeah about eleven. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like nineties and I was like, oh okay, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like I'm sitting in the shade and I'm like
Speaker 1: I still feel the sun. And I was like this
Speaker 1: is different, but I don't know, Like the humidity, I
Speaker 1: kind of I think I actually rather take the dry heat.
Speaker 1: I just would need a little bit more time in
Speaker 1: it to get fully acclimated, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like a couple of uber drives are like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: people come in here to go hiking in the the
Speaker 1: mountains and stuff. They go on the trails and they
Speaker 1: forget you have to bring water. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds like a very bad situation, not bring hydration
Speaker 1: in this type of dry heat. He's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not the smartest thing. That's how you wind up on
Speaker 1: those shows like I shouldn't be alive or whatever, like
Speaker 1: the hiking. You get lost hiking and you're you never
Speaker 1: come back in the Yeah, exactly with with a bunch
Speaker 1: of two plugged into me trying to get my ass
Speaker 1: hydrated again. So we got you on here talking about
Speaker 1: some football, and you know, we talked about this before
Speaker 1: we jumped on the air, that I was gonna talk
Speaker 1: a lot about the top part of this class and
Speaker 1: the potential of a potential running back selection. But since
Speaker 1: that time, the Dolphins made a big move when out
Speaker 1: and got a superstar receiver Entyreek Hill and in the
Speaker 1: process used the first two draft picks. So we will
Speaker 1: get to the draft eventually, Damien, but I want to
Speaker 1: just kind of recap the running back position because you
Speaker 1: actually chose the first position when I kind of put
Speaker 1: the feelers out there, and you were very gung ho
Speaker 1: about this position. So I wanted to get your take
Speaker 1: on the Dolphins running back position, and you know, I
Speaker 1: know you're in the throes of it here a little bit,
Speaker 1: so we'll take a we'll get to the draft a
Speaker 1: little brief repri from that and talk about this Dolphins
Speaker 1: room because they made moves in the running back room
Speaker 1: this offseason, and I want to get to the on
Speaker 1: the field stuff here in just one second. But from
Speaker 1: a coaching perspective, Damien, coach McDaniel had a real nice
Speaker 1: track record of getting production out of this position in
Speaker 1: his career so far. How do you think that translates
Speaker 1: from run game coordinator slash offensive coordinator in San Francisco
Speaker 1: to now head coach in Miami. I think it translates
Speaker 1: well because now he has the full control over the
Speaker 1: offense in terms of personnel, what he what, he what
Speaker 1: he envisions, right, So he's being being with Shannahan for
Speaker 1: the years and he's been with him, he, you know,
Speaker 1: which is one of the smartest minds in the game.
Speaker 1: And you know you listen to Mike talk. I was
Speaker 1: so excited when he became a candidate for the Dolphins
Speaker 1: because my mindset was, this is a team that needs
Speaker 1: to run the football and bringing a guy like him
Speaker 1: and he's going to make sure that's an improvement. Run
Speaker 1: game first has improved, that improved the trenches. Let's get
Speaker 1: no matter who you have in the backfield. You can
Speaker 1: have Adrian Peterson back there, but if you don't have
Speaker 1: an offensive line to reset that can reset the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and get pushed and get vertical, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna give Adrian Peterson much room to work. Now. He's
Speaker 1: a he's a Hall of Famer for a reason. He's
Speaker 1: going to create his home lane some way, somehow. But
Speaker 1: I love him. Mike mcdanieys does because he's creative in
Speaker 1: terms of creating the advantageous blocking angles. He does a
Speaker 1: good job with pre snap motion as well. And one
Speaker 1: thing about preestnap motion. Typically when people hear that term,
Speaker 1: they're think, well, okay, is for the quarterback to identify
Speaker 1: the coverage that. While that is true, um, it also
Speaker 1: helps the run game because when you start motioning guys,
Speaker 1: especially when you have special you know, elite type of
Speaker 1: weapons such as a Tarrek Hill Tyreek Hill, you're sending
Speaker 1: him going backside on the pre snap motion, on the
Speaker 1: jet motion or a ghost motion pre snap. Those guys
Speaker 1: have to shift over on the second level and then
Speaker 1: that safety has to move to account for him in
Speaker 1: either a quick passing game or play action uh quick
Speaker 1: play action game as well and getting the ball down
Speaker 1: field to him. So these guys are gonna bump over
Speaker 1: like a gap. So now they're thinking, okay, we gotta
Speaker 1: keep When they come out of the huddle, they're gonna
Speaker 1: like where's Tyreek Hill at all times. But they also
Speaker 1: had to figure out where's Janalen Waddle. So do you
Speaker 1: think about Janellen Waddle being on one side, Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: be on the other? You you motion Tyreek to the
Speaker 1: same side as water. It's like, okay, now most of
Speaker 1: our attention defensively is on the left side of the field,
Speaker 1: and then you run zone to the offenses left defense
Speaker 1: is right and they're out man. So he knows how
Speaker 1: to create those box counts for the run game. That's
Speaker 1: one that's literally one of the most important pieces to
Speaker 1: being an effective run game coordinator or running team is
Speaker 1: creating those advantageous numbers. You want to get three on two,
Speaker 1: you want to get you know, two on one, and
Speaker 1: things of that nature. You think about this, his his um,
Speaker 1: I would say, his his chemistry with for he moster,
Speaker 1: he knows what Raheine can do and how he fits
Speaker 1: and meshes with what he does as a coach. He
Speaker 1: fits that that outside zone scheme perfectly. He's patient, has
Speaker 1: been vision, knows how to read his blocks, and he
Speaker 1: has that Ferrari Lamborghini type of open field speed that
Speaker 1: once you miss and once you you know, overset on
Speaker 1: the second level and open up a gap for him
Speaker 1: to cut and and find off his blocks. We've seen
Speaker 1: it so many times in saying frame when he was healthy,
Speaker 1: it's fifty, it's sixty, it's forty, it's touchdown, baby. So
Speaker 1: I love what Mike McDaniels gonna, what he is, how
Speaker 1: it translates on the field. Now, I kind of wish
Speaker 1: you said McLarens. I'm a Daniel Ricardo fan, but he's
Speaker 1: kind of the bottom of the standings right now, So
Speaker 1: I won't hold that against you. But yeah, man, speed
Speaker 1: speeds the name of the game for sure, and you
Speaker 1: touched on a couple of things. They're the two things
Speaker 1: I've I've talked about probably more than any other phrases
Speaker 1: this year on the podcast are conflict and false steps.
Speaker 1: And what you just described I think creates a lot
Speaker 1: of both of those two problems for opposing defenses. At
Speaker 1: least that's the hope here for the Miami Dolphins. He
Speaker 1: touched on where he mosted there a little bit with
Speaker 1: the personnel. Let's go back to Chase Edmonds as well,
Speaker 1: another edition here in the Dolphins backfield. The more I
Speaker 1: watch his game, the more I come away thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I maybe not slept on this guy in Arizona,
Speaker 1: but I wasn't as aware of how really dynamic his
Speaker 1: game is based upon what you know I I saw
Speaker 1: when I was watching just kind of part time compared
Speaker 1: to going over his tape. So do you remember scouting
Speaker 1: him out of Fordham or and and if so or
Speaker 1: if not, either way, how do you think he can
Speaker 1: help this Dolphins backfield out this year? Well, I didn't
Speaker 1: scout him out of Fordham. But I write for Revenge
Speaker 1: of the Birds, for Espy Nation, for the Cardinals anyway,
Speaker 1: So I watched all of his tape. I love Chase Edmons.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. I can't remember how soon after he
Speaker 1: signed with you guys, I got a message from my
Speaker 1: guy Ksey Kyle Krabs and he was like, hey, DP,
Speaker 1: tell me about Edmonds. And one thing with Edmonds man,
Speaker 1: he's a firstatile, first little piece in the backfield and
Speaker 1: Tyler relied on him a lot, especially in the passing game.
Speaker 1: They would motion him out of the backfield, get him
Speaker 1: into those tight uh tight alignments, closer to the to
Speaker 1: the tackle line up. There's a number three if you
Speaker 1: count from the sideline one to three as a receiver
Speaker 1: threat and he literally get him massible linebackers. Man slants,
Speaker 1: whip routes, drags and have these linebackers chasing him. And
Speaker 1: he has good foot where he knows how to find
Speaker 1: soft spots um in zone and then in the run game,
Speaker 1: he predominantly ran out of the inside zone in shotgun,
Speaker 1: so he has a very very good patience. He knows
Speaker 1: how to press create those false steps on the second level,
Speaker 1: make those guys commit that he does a good job
Speaker 1: jump cutting to that open lane. There's a play against
Speaker 1: Dallas last year where he meets Michael Parsons, you know,
Speaker 1: the defensive rookie of the year, right. He meets in
Speaker 1: one on one in the lane in the alley, and
Speaker 1: he puts a move on it and just gets right
Speaker 1: around him very quickly. He's a deliberate runner in terms
Speaker 1: of knowing how to re leverage, knowing when to put
Speaker 1: his foot in the ground and get north and south.
Speaker 1: And then of course when he gets you squared up,
Speaker 1: he will square a defense a defender up, put a
Speaker 1: move on you. He's a guy that doesn't want to
Speaker 1: if he has to try and run through you to
Speaker 1: get that first down, he'll do so if necessary. But
Speaker 1: he's more of the elusive back. He wants to get
Speaker 1: around you, uh, and get around you quickly so he
Speaker 1: can get more yards. Um, you know after the cats
Speaker 1: or even after contact. That's that's a great scouting report,
Speaker 1: Damian I. I saw the Revenge of the Birds thing
Speaker 1: in your profile and didn't put those two together. So
Speaker 1: thank you for getting us there. A host air on
Speaker 1: my part, but you helped us out and pick us
Speaker 1: back up there and and carry the team as it were.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know, last year the Dolphins running
Speaker 1: back room, there was a bit of attrition there as
Speaker 1: far as injuries going, guys missing some time, and so
Speaker 1: it was it was a challenge to get you know,
Speaker 1: bodies up and we had to kind of go deep
Speaker 1: into the bag of tricks there. So he hope that
Speaker 1: those guys can provide not just top end of the
Speaker 1: roster production, but also just make the room deeper in general.
Speaker 1: And one of the guys that's been so durable and
Speaker 1: reliable the last couple of years has been a former
Speaker 1: seventh round draft pick and Miles Gaskin out of you
Speaker 1: dub and he's been productive. He's he scores touchdowns, he
Speaker 1: catches the football out of the backfield, produces in the
Speaker 1: running game as well. I get the sense, Damian, and
Speaker 1: you can tell if I'm wrong. I get the sense
Speaker 1: that Myles Gaskins a Damien Parson guy. I do. I've
Speaker 1: watched Miles since he was in college, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: he's he's smaller, but he's a tough kid and he's
Speaker 1: a tough runner. Um, you know, he he does not
Speaker 1: care that he's smaller than most pretty much almost all
Speaker 1: other twenty you know twenty one players on the field,
Speaker 1: including offense and defense. But he runs hard, and but
Speaker 1: he's a very he's a jitterbug type of guy too.
Speaker 1: So you think about even with when we talked about Chase,
Speaker 1: he's another guy who you want to the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands and getting his hands quickly. You're talking about
Speaker 1: in the screen game, you can line them up motion him,
Speaker 1: but you know in and out of the backfield, create
Speaker 1: that chaos and that um that that discussion and that
Speaker 1: communication anytime. That's the other part about motions as well.
Speaker 1: It forces the defense to communicate, forces guys to say, okay,
Speaker 1: not just communicate, but commit. Okay, who do you have
Speaker 1: if he's if he motions out, who's your guy? So
Speaker 1: do we know we're not running into each other, right,
Speaker 1: But when you start having a lot of moving parts
Speaker 1: pre snap, it's hard for those guys to pinpoint and
Speaker 1: key in on who's their guy, and it creates those
Speaker 1: difficult conversations, so difficult discussions on the on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and it creates better opportunities offensively.
Speaker 1: So Miles Gaskins is a guy that you can if
Speaker 1: you know, because where he mostly doesn't give you a
Speaker 1: lot in the passing game, so you think about having
Speaker 1: too and in the shotgun some split back personnel with
Speaker 1: gascons and edmonds, and then you can go spread ahead
Speaker 1: and go empty because now teams are like, Okay, well
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring in and we see these two guys
Speaker 1: in the backfield, maybe we take a line back or
Speaker 1: out bringing safety. Well we're gonna split these guys out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go full empty. And now you have to
Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, somebody's running short, who's gonna be as hot.
Speaker 1: You're trying to figure so many different things out, and
Speaker 1: all two it has to do is to play point guard. Man,
Speaker 1: Just play point guard, be that Chris Paul, you know,
Speaker 1: and get these guys the ball in the quickest way,
Speaker 1: in the most efficient and effective way, which we know
Speaker 1: he can do. And then when those long those long
Speaker 1: ball opportunities come, you take those. But Miles guys will
Speaker 1: give you something in the run game, in the inside
Speaker 1: zone game as well, especially now the improved offensive line.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm excited for him as well, because he's
Speaker 1: not the biggest guy, he's not the strongest guy in
Speaker 1: terms of be able to move the pile and just
Speaker 1: run into a wall and create that four yard gaining himself.
Speaker 1: But now you even prove that offensive line where okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get some push and all he has to
Speaker 1: do is read his blocks well, playing his foot and
Speaker 1: get up. Feel he's going to be productive, which is
Speaker 1: what he's done for his entire football life, right, a
Speaker 1: very productive career you dub here at the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: as well, finding way to to get in the box
Speaker 1: score and get in production and getting that stas sheet there. Damian.
Speaker 1: When you mentioned the twenty two personnel, don't if you
Speaker 1: saw my face here on zoom light up, but you
Speaker 1: basically went right into my transition because as you were
Speaker 1: talking about that, I was thinking, like, man, they've got
Speaker 1: to have so many different options for how they cannot
Speaker 1: just deploy these backs in terms of the rotation, but
Speaker 1: the potential personnel packages they have. I was like, could
Speaker 1: they go thirty one or thirty personnel and just go
Speaker 1: like you know, Mike Gasicki in the thirty one package
Speaker 1: with most dirt gaskin and chase Edmunds and then maybe
Speaker 1: Waddle or Hill take some breather like they there's so
Speaker 1: many options they could do with with the depth of
Speaker 1: the skill positions they have on offense now and the
Speaker 1: one position group. You know, Damian we established here, I
Speaker 1: think pretty well on early in drive time that you're
Speaker 1: a bit of an expert on running backs. Does that
Speaker 1: translate to the fullback position because we've got alec Ingold
Speaker 1: in house now. I was a huge fan of his
Speaker 1: at Wisconsin. I was bummed we didn't get him when
Speaker 1: he went to the Raiders. Now we do good. Cha
Speaker 1: get a crack at him, pretty highly tired prospect out
Speaker 1: of Wisconsin. How do you see him fitting in here? Man?
Speaker 1: I really like this this fit. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: call him Kyle use check, but I think he could
Speaker 1: be using a very similar way with Mike McDaniels. And
Speaker 1: you know, McDaniels had a very big part of what
Speaker 1: Kyle you ship, was able to do over there for
Speaker 1: the San Francisco for United. And you think about in
Speaker 1: today's NFL, you know, today's football game, football period, in
Speaker 1: the run game, it's a lot of split zone action.
Speaker 1: You got that slicer coming backside, getting the unblocked defender
Speaker 1: that typically the outside linebacker in allowing that tackle to
Speaker 1: get up to the second level. That backside slicer comes across,
Speaker 1: makes that makes that contact and makes that block, and
Speaker 1: the running back just reads and cuts, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: off of off of whichever block is advantageous for him,
Speaker 1: and angle can give give you guys that, but I
Speaker 1: think he can also give you guys some h back.
Speaker 1: He's he's gonna be a verse ortle guy, which again
Speaker 1: goes back to the versatility of Mike McDaniels. Are really
Speaker 1: excited to see how he just puts everything into peace,
Speaker 1: right into place rather and you think about I use
Speaker 1: the analogy as a painter, so he's got a blank
Speaker 1: cav canvas. But the main thing about the painters like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't paint what I want if I don't have
Speaker 1: the equipment and the things that I need. I don't
Speaker 1: have my brush, I don't have the colors. I know
Speaker 1: what I want to paint, but I need all of
Speaker 1: my all my ingredients and all my equipment. And I
Speaker 1: think now for the most part, if not all of it,
Speaker 1: Mike mcdames has has his ingredients and he can paint
Speaker 1: that picture for the Miami Dolphins office that he wants.
Speaker 1: He could be as creative as he wants to be,
Speaker 1: and you can see situations where he can angle, can
Speaker 1: make may line up somewhat as another tight end, as
Speaker 1: that h back, as that slicer, as that lead blocker,
Speaker 1: if you want to go to some power game where
Speaker 1: he mostered as well. I'm really excited because this backfield,
Speaker 1: it's so talented in my opinion right now, much better
Speaker 1: than it was in the previous years. That legitimate Mike McDaniels,
Speaker 1: and it speaks well for two and like, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna play too high because you're worried about Tyreek Hille,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to worry about Jaylen Wago. Of course,
Speaker 1: then Mike Kasaki is gonna roam in the middle and
Speaker 1: you have to play that too high. And that's something
Speaker 1: with teams are kind of focused on now anyway. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: we got all these big arm quarterbacks, so we need
Speaker 1: to play too high to take the deep passing game away.
Speaker 1: Then you have a guy as as one dB from
Speaker 1: the SEC told me a year ago, two was the
Speaker 1: most difficult quarterback he ever had to play. And he
Speaker 1: this is a guy that this is a kid that
Speaker 1: also played Trevor Lawrence and so it's like, you know
Speaker 1: that was high praise and he's like, yeah, he's surgical,
Speaker 1: he's precise, and he's so frustrating to the FEN because
Speaker 1: when you think you got when you think you're in
Speaker 1: the hip pocket of the receiver, he puts it right
Speaker 1: in front of them and they're able to pull away,
Speaker 1: especially when you got those runnings to catch guys. So
Speaker 1: you you you now at alec angle and I can
Speaker 1: even see some situations where even he motions into the slot,
Speaker 1: you start using him as a dictating piece to see, Okay,
Speaker 1: does he if you motioned him into the slot, does
Speaker 1: that linebacker flow with him and kind of lines up
Speaker 1: man and man? Does he stay stationary? Is it shows
Speaker 1: that its own defense? And now it's like, okay, we
Speaker 1: kind of know what what the pictures with the pictures
Speaker 1: gonna look like post snap Damon. You just gave us
Speaker 1: a reference to an SEC player talking about the accuracy
Speaker 1: and pinpoint level of two his game. You've give us
Speaker 1: an F one reference and I think there was a
Speaker 1: bit of a Bob Ross reference and they're talking about
Speaker 1: your ease on how you paint the picture there. Folks,
Speaker 1: stay tuned. We're gonna take our first break and come
Speaker 1: right back and get into the draft. Here with Damien
Speaker 1: Parson from the Draft Network on the Drivetime Podcast, your
Speaker 1: host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation. Back
Speaker 1: here on this edition of the Drive Time Podcast, I
Speaker 1: am your host, Travis Wingfield, where you're brought to you
Speaker 1: by Auto Nation. My guest today is Damian Parson of
Speaker 1: the Draft Network. Damian having a blast on this episode.
Speaker 1: And one thing I have asked all my draft gurus,
Speaker 1: my draft experts here on the podcast this year is
Speaker 1: a question that has brought a lot of variety, and
Speaker 1: I love the variety and the answers. I'm curious to
Speaker 1: know how you watch film, Like is it late at night?
Speaker 1: Is the first thing in the morning? Is it all
Speaker 1: day long? Are you snacking on something You've got a
Speaker 1: dog at your feet? Like what does your your film
Speaker 1: study process look like? Oh? Man, um so I typically, uh,
Speaker 1: it's typically more so later in the evening, once a
Speaker 1: little man. You know. My wife gets my son ready
Speaker 1: for bigas arts, ready for bad and um I'm typically
Speaker 1: I thought some music going because for me, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: A lot of people like I don't know, my wife
Speaker 1: will even tell me. It's when I do homework. She
Speaker 1: was like, how do you how do you write a paper?
Speaker 1: How do you do research? Write a paper and listen
Speaker 1: to music at the same time. It's like I can't
Speaker 1: do that, need silence, I said. For me, that's similar
Speaker 1: to silence, like I'm in a zone and let's me like,
Speaker 1: hone in on what I'm doing. A lot to you,
Speaker 1: not I could. I could literally have just a clouded bringing,
Speaker 1: but I'll put on some good tunes and I can
Speaker 1: type out a mock draft and literally thirty minutes like
Speaker 1: I start going and it's like I zone in. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of how how it starts me later in
Speaker 1: the evening, throwing some good music, focus on what you know,
Speaker 1: I have to turn the TV off because I watch TV.
Speaker 1: So I turned the TV off, of course, but I
Speaker 1: left the music kind of just lead me into what
Speaker 1: I'm doing. And it depends on the position of course,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at I try to look at everything.
Speaker 1: I would watch the same play. It could be kind
Speaker 1: of the extensive process I typically try. I watched the
Speaker 1: same play like three times, three or four times because
Speaker 1: I want to see everything, especially from a running back
Speaker 1: span point I put myself up kind of in the
Speaker 1: shoes and the the running back okay, read make sure of
Speaker 1: its zone. I want to read that tight ends leverage.
Speaker 1: Only see what's going on pre snap to where these
Speaker 1: guys are aligned, and like kind of paint the picture
Speaker 1: before I see the play, actually before I see the
Speaker 1: ball snap. Like, okay, I see the thirt or four
Speaker 1: in linement. These guys are kind of wide angled, wide splits.
Speaker 1: Let's see if this line. Let's see if the line
Speaker 1: does what I think they would do, is that center
Speaker 1: and gargle a double team the nose, then that garden
Speaker 1: up to the second level and will then then we'll
Speaker 1: be running back and feed to see that and then
Speaker 1: you know, break up off of it. So it's so
Speaker 1: it's it varies from position to position. But like I said, man,
Speaker 1: even time it's quiet in the house, like I think,
Speaker 1: like quietness bothers me. I guess, like just being pure silent.
Speaker 1: So I throw some tunes on got you know what
Speaker 1: I'm got My I'll either use my note pen on
Speaker 1: my phone because it's easier for me to watch and
Speaker 1: then just like literally type notes as I'm going, uh,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I'll you know, write stuff down kind of
Speaker 1: the old school way and my note, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much my process. I love the silence and
Speaker 1: music thing is right up my alley too, especially with film,
Speaker 1: because you're so used to watching, you know, broadcast when
Speaker 1: you're like watching as a fan, and then when you
Speaker 1: get the film and it's just silent, it's like, I
Speaker 1: gotta have something. I gotta have some other stimulus here
Speaker 1: to get me through this process because, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: right theory. I talked with a variety of how folks
Speaker 1: do this. The common theme is that it's a very
Speaker 1: exhaustive process that we all watch the play over and
Speaker 1: over and over again because you're not gonna get full
Speaker 1: context until you do that. So great stuff, Damian. Let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and get into this running back draft class here.
Speaker 1: And I've been using this theme on the draft preview
Speaker 1: series and it's worked out nicely, so we'll go ahead
Speaker 1: and keep doing it. But the Dolphins were scheduled to
Speaker 1: pick twenty nine and fifty before the trade to bring
Speaker 1: the Cheetah to South Florida. So my question to you
Speaker 1: is if the Dolphins fan out there was looking for
Speaker 1: a certain prospect at those spots, you know, whether it's
Speaker 1: a Kenneth Walker, Isaiah Spiller, Breeze Hall, some of the
Speaker 1: guys that have been in the consensus top fifties seventy
Speaker 1: five range. If you wanted a satellite of those types
Speaker 1: of guys, say around pick one oh two, who are
Speaker 1: you looking at in that range? And I would say,
Speaker 1: and I think that because we actually talked about this
Speaker 1: recently over t n Look when you look at this
Speaker 1: running back class, it's it's a good group, right, It's
Speaker 1: note is loaded, like we're gonna see how much running
Speaker 1: backs are devalued in three if all those kids declared,
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be like, Okay, NFL, show me, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna take be Gen Robins in the first round,
Speaker 1: Zach Evans and take yeah, take Evans for Auburn in
Speaker 1: the second. Show me that you're going to let these
Speaker 1: guys fall to the third and fourth round if they're
Speaker 1: really devalue. We're gonna see how that works out next
Speaker 1: next draft season. But this is a good group. But
Speaker 1: I think what it is is it's the draft overall
Speaker 1: is deep in a lot of different areas, So it's
Speaker 1: gonna de positional value. I think it's gonna kick in
Speaker 1: and push some of these running backs down the board. Right,
Speaker 1: So the guys that I look at that could potentially
Speaker 1: be there in that third round. I think about Arizona
Speaker 1: State running back over Shot White six six ft six
Speaker 1: one to fifteen, a zone fit. He's kind of he
Speaker 1: has that almost the Eric Dickerson kind of running style
Speaker 1: at times where he's kind of high cut when he's
Speaker 1: coming through the lane, but he's got good footwork, he's patient.
Speaker 1: He will press, make guy and move guys, manipulate the
Speaker 1: second level and then cut up off of those blocks.
Speaker 1: And then you think of what we talk about Chase
Speaker 1: Edmands and Miles Gaston brings to the to the to
Speaker 1: the passing game, and as the receivers. He's very, very
Speaker 1: fluid as a receiver in the backfield. He can run
Speaker 1: the width routes, he can run the texas and the
Speaker 1: angle routes. He can run the quick outs out of
Speaker 1: the back field as well. You know, I was I
Speaker 1: was in mobile the Senior Bowl and there was literally
Speaker 1: no linebacker that could really cover him, like in space.
Speaker 1: He's very, like I said, being a tall, long, tall,
Speaker 1: and longer back to put the moves on guys that
Speaker 1: he can do in space as a receiver is incredible,
Speaker 1: really really efficient footwork. Another guy that and like I said,
Speaker 1: he could be a three down type of back. Another
Speaker 1: guy I think that could be there for you guys
Speaker 1: as well. He's not so much. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a three down back unless he adds some weight and
Speaker 1: improves his contact balances a little bit. But James Cook,
Speaker 1: the younger brother at Georgia of of Dalvin Cook for
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings, James Cook is electric as a reciens
Speaker 1: and you see if you put on I believe it's
Speaker 1: the believe is this year against Obama, then motioned him
Speaker 1: out wide against Christian Harris, who anybody that knows runs
Speaker 1: a four for aid. I believe he's a legit athlete
Speaker 1: at linebacker position, former tight end in high school. Cornerback
Speaker 1: Christian Harris, and he literally dusted him like his speed
Speaker 1: and in fluidness in space as a running as a receiver. Man,
Speaker 1: when you talk about what I said when right running
Speaker 1: the diver variety of routes, oh yeah, James Cook can
Speaker 1: do all of that as well. Great hands, he knows
Speaker 1: how to track the ball, like he said, down field,
Speaker 1: like they literally sent him on a go route on
Speaker 1: the nine, and he ran right by. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He ran right But he uses little subtle
Speaker 1: head fakes and dips that you typically see from receivers
Speaker 1: when they're going up against off coverage. A guy at
Speaker 1: seven eight yards off the ball, he literally paced himself,
Speaker 1: gave him a shoulder dip in the head fake, and
Speaker 1: went right by him, and then said had been laid
Speaker 1: it out to him, and he tracked the ball perfectly
Speaker 1: like a receiver. He's so talented. He's gonna give you
Speaker 1: some things in the passing in the run game as well,
Speaker 1: but his a game is in the passing attack. Um,
Speaker 1: and someone else said, I think, well, I definitely think
Speaker 1: could be there. Uh. Two guys, Um, Tyler baty of electric,
Speaker 1: just shifty, one cut type of guy five eight one
Speaker 1: ninety four over from Missouri. He's also a Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: guy as well. Um, He's someone that fits that zone
Speaker 1: blocking scheme very all. He kind of he reminds me.
Speaker 1: I think he's smaller than Chase Hamans, but kind of
Speaker 1: similar games in a way. Um, I think Chase is
Speaker 1: a more refined route runner. And then ty Chandler eleven
Speaker 1: two old three from North Carolina. He played at Tennessee
Speaker 1: that he transferred the U n C. And he's a
Speaker 1: guy that that can run between the tackles, he can
Speaker 1: run the outside zone stuff, he can run depending and
Speaker 1: pulling his good vision. He's good feel and flow to
Speaker 1: the game. And he's another guy who can really hurt
Speaker 1: teams and hurt linebackers in the passing game that I
Speaker 1: don't think they used him enough in North Carolina in
Speaker 1: that realm for him to have the high high production
Speaker 1: as a receiver. But he's another talented back. Also, I'll
Speaker 1: be curious to see how that that kind of group
Speaker 1: of players where they go off the board, because like
Speaker 1: you talked about positional you you know, one of the
Speaker 1: things about having a good but deep class at the
Speaker 1: tight end position, I feel this way about too, Like
Speaker 1: it's potentially a situation where you could see like teams saying, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's good for this spot. But also there's like five
Speaker 1: times we like in this class maybe what they bumped
Speaker 1: down because of that. And I'll be curious see if
Speaker 1: that actually happens in running back position because like you
Speaker 1: mentioned that and also next year's class. I mean when
Speaker 1: you mentioned that, my my face lit up because I
Speaker 1: know there's so many guys going back to school that
Speaker 1: can flat out ball right now, there is one more
Speaker 1: young man. I forgot to mention him, Pierre Strong from
Speaker 1: South Dakotat man, that's my man, dude, that's my guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's He's another one that I could see and I
Speaker 1: basically labeled him as this year's version of Elijah Mitchell.
Speaker 1: So that kind of correlates because if the top guys
Speaker 1: are gone and he's available in that third, fourth, you know,
Speaker 1: fifth round, you know range, that's a really good fit
Speaker 1: um for that scheme, similar to how Elijah Mitchell was
Speaker 1: just a perfect fit for what Shantahan wanted to do
Speaker 1: and that's why he was the top dog for that
Speaker 1: offense last year. That's a great he's the way he
Speaker 1: creates urgency with like you see those second level defenders,
Speaker 1: third level defenders come down and they're like, if I
Speaker 1: better make this tackle because if I don't, he's not
Speaker 1: coming back. And to create that mental chaos and that
Speaker 1: panic going to front for the linebackers and second level
Speaker 1: of defenders is a running back. That's what you want
Speaker 1: to do because then out of that you know that
Speaker 1: they're gonna over commit. They're going to be too aggressive,
Speaker 1: and you just need to do subtle things, subtle moves,
Speaker 1: so those shifts and altering your weight and just be
Speaker 1: a little maybe a little slippery instead of being more physical,
Speaker 1: and you can really take advantage of that comparis with
Speaker 1: your speed down the field, with your your horizontal motion,
Speaker 1: you're you know, if you wanna want to want to run,
Speaker 1: mesh will definitely mess up the linebackers in that regard
Speaker 1: to great stuff. Damien, let's take our last break here
Speaker 1: and come back and put a bow on this episode
Speaker 1: of Drive Time with Travis Wingfield, brought to you by
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Speaker 1: segment of the running back edition of the preview series
Speaker 1: for two NFL Draft Here on the Drive top on podcast,
Speaker 1: your host, Travis Wingfield, my guest, Damian Parson. We are
Speaker 1: brought to you by Auto Nation, and Damian, the way
Speaker 1: I've been closing these out is to throw you draft
Speaker 1: gurus something of a bone for the hard work you've done,
Speaker 1: because you know, the last two years, Damian, I've I've
Speaker 1: needed guys to come on the podcast for almost an
Speaker 1: hour because of all the picks the Dolphins had, but
Speaker 1: now the addition of some Pro Bowl veteran talent, it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a year off up top for us
Speaker 1: right now. But I still want to give you the
Speaker 1: chance to talk about a potential top fifty pick here
Speaker 1: in your position group, a guy that you would bang
Speaker 1: the table for. So for the sake of a Dolphins
Speaker 1: podcast here, let's go ahead and say you're sitting at
Speaker 1: pick one oh two, the Dolphins first pick in this
Speaker 1: year's draft, and you see a running back on the
Speaker 1: board around fifty sixty maybe seventy five, and you're willing
Speaker 1: to send up additional draft capital from either this year
Speaker 1: or next year, maybe the player or whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be, you have to go up and get this guy.
Speaker 1: Who is that guy for you? RB one? You can
Speaker 1: walking open from Michigan State man, you know, and why
Speaker 1: to talk about him? He's a scheme versa little guy.
Speaker 1: He can run in the zone scheme, he can run
Speaker 1: the inside zone. Michigan State ran traps, power pull, you know,
Speaker 1: outside zone, inside zone. They ran a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: And then their sets were so virtaile as well, where
Speaker 1: they would have double wing kind of king pistol sets
Speaker 1: and go to Queen pistol. They did a lot of
Speaker 1: different things out of the pistol sets and just having
Speaker 1: two tight ends and twelve personnel, loving personnel, and I
Speaker 1: love everything that he brought to the game. He's a
Speaker 1: quick processor, he has really good vision. But what what's what?
Speaker 1: He's patient. But what I really love about him is
Speaker 1: his sudden and twitchy movements. There's a play against Miami
Speaker 1: where there's a nickel corner unblocked. The moment he gets
Speaker 1: the hand off, he makes a sudden change of direction.
Speaker 1: Sudden move makes the guy looks silly. And his burst
Speaker 1: and his pace, and one thing about a guy that
Speaker 1: is patient, that has the which he ran like I
Speaker 1: think a verified four three six or at the at
Speaker 1: the combine. So with you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: I've don't trust that. I don't trust that time. But
Speaker 1: if you go back to his first carry at Northwestern,
Speaker 1: he went seventy eight yards. He was not caught in
Speaker 1: the big tent with a lot of great athletes. Right,
Speaker 1: It's not like he's playing in the Pack twelve, you know,
Speaker 1: or the Big twelve, no disrespect, but the big thing
Speaker 1: got some athletes. Man, So he's out running a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. And you think about the game that put
Speaker 1: the Bowl on the season for him was against Michigan,
Speaker 1: the potential number one pick, Aidan Hutchinson. He squared him
Speaker 1: like he bounced it out to Aiden Aidan's side. He
Speaker 1: squared him up, juked him and got right around him right.
Speaker 1: So it's just like he has the ability to cause
Speaker 1: chaos on the second level with his patients and his
Speaker 1: ability to press gap where he has the jump cutting ability,
Speaker 1: has ability, you know, the quick and efficient and effective
Speaker 1: feat He's electric in space. Uh And what I love
Speaker 1: about his he paces his runs. You know, he hits
Speaker 1: you with different tempos and that doesn't that that causes
Speaker 1: linebackers and second level, second and third level defenders they
Speaker 1: can't get a gauge. Okay, is he gonna come upon
Speaker 1: me quickly or you know, and they're trying to They're
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how quick do I need to
Speaker 1: come up and meet him and challenge him. There's a
Speaker 1: play against Rutgers that I tweeted out and and Travis
Speaker 1: he he has he has his blockers set up and
Speaker 1: there's a there's a battle with I think it's his
Speaker 1: right tackle on the end there's an unblocked linebacker. That's
Speaker 1: no one's accounted for sitting. I believe in the D
Speaker 1: gap and he's pressing and he kind of and he
Speaker 1: sees the he sees the end trying to stack in shed.
Speaker 1: He's peeking. He's stack peeking and he's wanting to shed.
Speaker 1: He sees at the end adjust his leverage. When he
Speaker 1: kind of leans inside to that gap, that linebacker shoots
Speaker 1: down with full commitment. That defensive end literally readjust his
Speaker 1: leverage inside walker jump cut right around him. And that's
Speaker 1: when you saw that burst that speed and the oily
Speaker 1: hips to be able to not have to slow down
Speaker 1: to put a move on the guy. Like that's a
Speaker 1: scary thought from a defenders standpoint, your safety and you're
Speaker 1: fifteen yards away and this guy can We'll go and
Speaker 1: move going sixty miles per hour or three miles per
Speaker 1: hour wherever it is. Like he he's up to full speed,
Speaker 1: but he still can move you Like, that's terrifying. So
Speaker 1: for me, now, don't get me wrong. He does have
Speaker 1: to improve with pass protection, and pass protection typically is
Speaker 1: similar to playing defense in the NBA. It's kind of
Speaker 1: a one to thing. It's not just about having the technique.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I need to make sure and I'm
Speaker 1: going to make sure that my quarterbacks is up right.
Speaker 1: Whether that's a three hundred pounds those tackle coming through
Speaker 1: or two pound linebacker coming through, I need to dig
Speaker 1: my feet into, take my cleats into the to the
Speaker 1: earth and use my base and take this hit and
Speaker 1: sometimes deliver that hit. And he's a physical runner, so
Speaker 1: I think NFL coach staff has to let him know,
Speaker 1: like listen, it's how long is you are as a runner,
Speaker 1: and the potential is there for you as a pass
Speaker 1: passing back as well catching the ball of the back
Speaker 1: that they didn't do that a lot with him at
Speaker 1: Michigan State and wait for us, but the potential is
Speaker 1: that he catches the ball just fine. So especially with
Speaker 1: his his explosiveness and and and speed, you get him
Speaker 1: into space catching the football is gonna be really hard
Speaker 1: to corral him. But just telling him like, hey, we
Speaker 1: need you to hone in on this specific aspect that's
Speaker 1: past protection. So hey, you have to make sure to
Speaker 1: has that extra tick of a second or two because
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hills coming open that can make a break of play,
Speaker 1: can have like talk to him, coach him up on it,
Speaker 1: and hey, let him know. If you can't do this,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be her primarily two down back because we
Speaker 1: can't risk you allowing our quarterback to take big hits
Speaker 1: and potentially get hurt. But overall, his skill set fits
Speaker 1: what you guys do. I'd be really surprised if he didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, come in and attack that head on, just
Speaker 1: based upon the way you know, people have spoken about
Speaker 1: his work, happens and things of that nature too. So
Speaker 1: me too. I believe I'm with that you might have.
Speaker 1: You might have swayed me and my running back one
Speaker 1: I had as a spiller. He was my kind of
Speaker 1: my guy, that's my process. But you might have swayed
Speaker 1: me there, man, So just real quick to I mean,
Speaker 1: what was just a short word, a couple word answer here?
Speaker 1: Where do you think that talk running back goes off
Speaker 1: the board? Is the first round? No, it's possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see Breese Hall going to Buffalo as a slight,
Speaker 1: slight chance, But I think that the first back is
Speaker 1: going to come off the board more than likely at
Speaker 1: the end of the second round. Looking at the Atlanta Falcons,
Speaker 1: uh them re reinventing themselves during the rebuild, so I
Speaker 1: think they could be the team that snatches. And Arthur
Speaker 1: Smith said, let's go get me a Bill Cow, a
Speaker 1: true back that I can rely on because he doesn't
Speaker 1: have that yet. Um So, but I still think that
Speaker 1: third round is gonna be kind of a sweet spot
Speaker 1: for running backs. There you go. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: I told you we were going to give you a
Speaker 1: bone here, But it sounds like that's about where you
Speaker 1: think it starts to come off the board for us,
Speaker 1: So maybe we're sitting pretty when it comes to that possession.
Speaker 1: He mentioned a couple of clips on Twitter. You can
Speaker 1: find those at DP Underscore NFL. He's Damien Parson from
Speaker 1: the Draft Network, the Talent Factor podcast, and he also
Speaker 1: writes for Revenge of the Birds the Arizona Cardinals. Check
Speaker 1: out all of his content. Damien, it was great catching
Speaker 1: up with my friend. You absolutely crushed you here. Enjoy
Speaker 1: the rest of this month and get some well earned
Speaker 1: downtime next may, I hope. Yeah, what do you guys
Speaker 1: think that was? That was informative, to say the very
Speaker 1: very least. A really fun podcast there with Damien Parson
Speaker 1: from the Draft Network. In the meantime, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: my time. We're gonna keep on rolling here with these
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Speaker 1: Will have a new episode for you up here in
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