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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Wit and today we have a

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Speaker 1: very special guest and personal friend of mine, nickel Fields,

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Speaker 1: artist writer, producer uh is in the building. And this

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Speaker 1: is a very special full circle moment. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people when they hear artists, writer, producer, you think of, hey,

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Speaker 1: someone that you're seeing in your face all the time.

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Speaker 1: Nick has worn a lot of hats where I feel

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Speaker 1: like this is gonna be a very educational moment in

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Speaker 1: regards to like getting music placement, writing on albums, and

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Speaker 1: what the what the hard lessons can be learned when

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Speaker 1: you are writing on albums. So this is this is

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Speaker 1: a really this this will probably be a very entertaining interview,

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Speaker 1: but I just wanted to highlight all of that prior

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Speaker 1: to us even starting. I'm trying to like navigate because

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Speaker 1: he's had to. You've had to navigate some pretty tough

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Speaker 1: waters being in this industry for as long as you have, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been some roadblocks and noodles. So throw myself

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Speaker 2: off a bridge.

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Speaker 1: Moments, Yeah, definitely, Yeah, for sure. So what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna have me eating today?

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Speaker 2: Today? I'm just going to do quick, simple little rice

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Speaker 2: and beans, rice and beans and like not like homemade

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Speaker 2: rice rice like out the package rice and beans that

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Speaker 2: I lived off for about two months.

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Speaker 1: Two months every day, three day.

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Speaker 2: You might have you might have got some tuna fish

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Speaker 2: in there next to it. Here and there, you know,

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Speaker 2: some chicken if it was a good week.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've been making jokes that Nick's dish

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Speaker 1: is going to be the worst one. No, it's actually

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Speaker 1: a compliment to you. It's the brokeus dish. But then again,

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Speaker 1: it's actually not the brokeused dish now I think about it,

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Speaker 1: because I may have been the Brokeus for today, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know what would you make humus.

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Speaker 2: Garbanzo beans can get expensive.

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Speaker 1: So all right, well let's get into you cook it

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Speaker 1: for me, So go ahead, start the rice and beans.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna get it going. So you got some red

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Speaker 2: hot later the sassoon. I'm from New York, so you know,

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Speaker 2: upstate New York, Rochester. So I grew up with a

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Speaker 2: lot of Portugan Miinnicans. And this is one thing except

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Speaker 2: for they make home made seasons. I'm gonna go. I

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Speaker 2: gotta figure it out as I can.

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Speaker 1: So you got so you're gonna do rice beans hot sauce.

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Speaker 1: And what did you say that was?

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Speaker 2: That's it? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Seasoning, seasoning, all right, yeah, so take me back to

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Speaker 1: what was going on in the air of it is

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Speaker 1: red beans and rice, right, red beans, red beans and beans.

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Speaker 1: I called them red beans, right, those are red though, right.

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Speaker 1: M every time I hear you say pencil, I think

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Speaker 1: of white beans, red beans, and.

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Speaker 2: Rice guysy beans. Okay, I know all the beans. So

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Speaker 2: this is just gonna dump that in there, and we're

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Speaker 2: just gonna let that rot. Ain't much really, you gotta

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Speaker 2: do little olive oil. Actually, I don't even need that.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you had some olive oil because I ain't

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Speaker 2: have enough. Okay, yeah, I ain't even have no money

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Speaker 2: for oil. Sticky.

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Speaker 1: I've never actually put rice, I mean oil in my rice.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just ready to do it. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna we're gonna find out together. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna find out together. Now, I'm gonna I may add

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Speaker 1: olive oil to my rice.

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Speaker 2: Moving forward, listen the directions on the package. Oh, just

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Speaker 2: put some olive oil or some butter in it, so

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Speaker 2: you know, okay, Sometimes I follow directions, not very often

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Speaker 1: Okay, So take me back to what's going on during

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Speaker 1: the time of two months of living on This.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't long after I moved to LA. So moved to

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Speaker 2: a little bit of money saved up from doing some

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Speaker 2: shit I shouldn't have been doing.

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Speaker 1: Like what, selling drugs.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's over ten years. Good, good, it's over

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Speaker 1: And I would say people on eating while broke, we're

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Speaker 2: Dealer under yeah, so you know, I uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: and coming out here and anybody knows that's ever hustled

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Speaker 2: not really easy because of what you're risking to get it,

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Speaker 2: depending what you're selling. But yeah, easy come easy. Go

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Speaker 2: get these beans over here and here real quick. So

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Speaker 2: a lot of times I used to drain the juice.

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Speaker 2: Now I just keep it a little extra protein because

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Speaker 2: when you're broke, you eat all of protein you can get.

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Speaker 1: You're hilarious, right, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So,

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Speaker 1: so continue with your story. What's going on in this era?

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Speaker 2: So moved out here, had a little bit of bread,

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Speaker 2: and you know, you get caught up in the allure

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Speaker 2: as that everybody does. So and a friend of mine

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Speaker 2: I moved out here with at the time had been

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Speaker 2: doing really well. So first, you know, I came out

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Speaker 2: without the plans of work. I was currently signed to

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Speaker 2: BMG as a songwriter at the time as well. Ran

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Speaker 2: blew through my budget or not my budget, but my

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Speaker 2: advance didn't last long.

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Speaker 1: And that sucks because the advance had to be recooped.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, supposed to be supposed to hilarious, Yes, it's

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Speaker 2: supposed to be recouped.

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Speaker 1: So you ran through the advance.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, I like, I actually ran through most of

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Speaker 2: the advances before I even moved out here, because I

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Speaker 2: was living in New York City prior to between there

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Speaker 2: in Rochester, had a radio show at Upstate New York,

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Speaker 2: and then I also was working in the studios. There

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Speaker 2: was a point where literally squatting in BMG's old offices

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Speaker 2: at Midtown.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, literally did they know that?

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Speaker 2: Well, they had moved their offices out of the facility

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Speaker 2: and the building was still I guess they still had

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Speaker 2: We still had access codes to the building for like

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Speaker 2: three months. So there was a bunch of us that

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Speaker 2: were a bunch of us. I don't let me not

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Speaker 2: say a bunch, but yes, quite a few of us

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Speaker 2: that were like signed in all hustling, trying to get

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Speaker 2: it because you know what it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was about to say.

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Speaker 2: It like glamer and glitz. From the outside, everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: here's my big chain. I made it, But you don't.

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Speaker 2: You don't see the ship you had to go through

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Speaker 2: for you know, ten years of overnight success.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy to think that an artist signed to

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Speaker 1: BMG would be like squatting in the BMG offices and

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Speaker 1: then they here more than one. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: was a bad business or just a bad business on

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Speaker 1: their part or bad business on you guys mishandling your

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Speaker 2: Uh So it's a combination of both in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, I mean, the industry is the industry.

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Speaker 2: It's it's an entertainment industry. In my opinion, it's very

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Speaker 2: feast or famine. Either you're fucking scraping to get by

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Speaker 2: to get your moment or you're getting it. There isn't

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Speaker 2: and maybe after you get it, like you really crack

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Speaker 1: It comes stay with me if you mean stirring a

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Speaker 1: pot comes stay with me.

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Speaker 2: This is it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we explain to you, but when

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Speaker 1: you sit down with me, you're gonna have to talk

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Speaker 1: closer into these mics.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm losing my radio. I saw my lapel mic on.

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Speaker 1: My Let me tell you something. Nothing I heart hates

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Speaker 1: more than a lapel mic.

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Speaker 2: Oh all right, well, I gat by the way.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. They always they you know me and eyebrows.

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Speaker 1: God bless me with some great ones. But but yeah,

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Speaker 1: just try to get as close as possible. So tell me.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, So tell me so prior to you. Now

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Speaker 1: that I know that this dish originated from the BMG deal,

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Speaker 1: I definitely am gonna have to go backwards. So tell

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Speaker 1: me how you got your deal.

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Speaker 2: So I ended up signing with Billy Mann after somebody

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Speaker 2: else originally from Rochester as well, that knew me from

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Speaker 2: the music scene up there, passed the story and some

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Speaker 2: demos along to him after I had written lighters.

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Speaker 1: We didn't explain this. This is your camera, that's mine.

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Speaker 1: So still so you looking at me, but you kind

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Speaker 1: of all got you go ahead. Sorry.

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Speaker 2: So I ended up at BMG after the story traveled

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Speaker 2: through a friend of mine to Billy Mann about and

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Speaker 2: then some demos went through for the song Lighters I

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Speaker 2: mean and Bruno Mars Royce nine. So that was originally

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Speaker 2: the original version of that is a demo that I

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Speaker 2: wrote with a producer in upstate New York. It was

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Speaker 2: originally a record for myself and then ended up making

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Speaker 2: its way to their team and becoming a pretty big record.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it became a pretty big record.

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Speaker 1: But they got ahold of you, you approved it, you

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Speaker 2: Oh, man, I would love it if that's the way

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Speaker 2: it went.

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Speaker 1: So tell us what happened.

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Speaker 2: So the producer, after we had an agreement in place,

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Speaker 2: basically a couple of days later, it was like, yoah,

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Speaker 2: I want seventeen grand for this song, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Created it together type shit?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, that wasn't the agreement we had.

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Speaker 2: And in my head I'm like, oh, he must have

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Speaker 2: somebody interested in this thing. Sure enough he did. At

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Speaker 2: the time we thought it was I thought it was

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Speaker 2: Drake by the way he was saying.

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Speaker 1: Some certain things and what year is this?

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Speaker 2: Two thousand?

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Speaker 1: So Drake was out wait, it was pretty new Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Drake was very new.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty new.

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Speaker 1: It was before his mixtape drop.

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Speaker 2: No. No, it was after No Drake, Drake Scott Drag Scott.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying, what didn't he drop in like two

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Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. Clarity, Okay, this was two

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Speaker 2: thousand so well, yeah, it was like because he was

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Speaker 2: you know, he was alluding to something about Toronto blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah whatever whatnot, so long and short in that sense. Uh,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, dope, this you know, this could be dope,

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Speaker 2: not really much to talk about. I'm pretty green in

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Speaker 2: the sense of still learning a lot of the business,

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Speaker 2: like I didn't. Everything I've learned is from trial and error.

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Speaker 1: So but he tries to sell you what his half

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Speaker 1: or what was he trying to sell you?

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Speaker 2: No, No, he was he just wanted because he had

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Speaker 2: worked on this comes up later. He had worked on, uh,

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Speaker 2: making the band and all that sort of stuff. So

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Speaker 2: what was the group the boy band that Quanto is

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Speaker 2: in because Quanto is also from Rochester Q but this

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Speaker 2: producer worked.

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Speaker 1: On, yeah, making that stuff, making the band and.

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Speaker 2: All that stuff, and that was kind of like the

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Speaker 2: end of the conversation between he and I until and

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Speaker 2: so what say, six months later, I just found out

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Speaker 2: about some new family recently around that time that was

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Speaker 2: out in California, and I was out, don't you worry

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Speaker 2: about my.

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Speaker 1: I'm just all right gone.

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Speaker 2: I was out in l a visit planning a trip, planning,

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Speaker 2: So it started out as anartist myself, you know, like

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Speaker 1: No, no one was biting.

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Speaker 1: Shit and genuinely curious was the producer black white or

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Speaker 2: It's you know what's funny. The part about it that

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Speaker 2: Bullshit because I'm like, I got a drug problem. If

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Speaker 1: And just to clarify, though you never touched the stuff, right, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't arrest my ass, kick me out of there,

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Speaker 2: send me to long term impatient.

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Speaker 2: So then I get sent away for a year too long.

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Speaker 2: Tom in patient basically with people it's like their last

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Speaker 2: I'm at like I have this drug problem. I did.

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Speaker 2: I was there eleven and a half months and then

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Speaker 1: Oh but really they were just releasing you because you

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Speaker 2: What the theoretically? Sure? Yeah, I don't know. I know

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Speaker 2: What do you want? What did you do on the record?

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how to protect myself. I didn't know

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Speaker 2: I had no money to get a lawyer, you know,

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Speaker 2: and going after so why.

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Speaker 1: Did you think that to even ask you to pay

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Speaker 2: Because it was his way of sweeping it over and

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Speaker 2: a way to not entitle me to anything. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but later, like I said, later, you know, and getting

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Speaker 1: So like if you're doing a studio session and I

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Speaker 2: And that becomes part of the hook and you change

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Speaker 1: Really, even off that, even does it happened?

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Speaker 2: Not really. I'm just this is why I don't like

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Speaker 2: part of this creative process, fuck up out of here.

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Speaker 2: You're a distraction and I don't want any of your ideas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but just so for educational points, because this just

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Speaker 1: I like that part, but maybe I'd say it like this.

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Speaker 1: If they don't take that advice, does she still option? Okay? No,

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Speaker 1: but then how can you even prove if if it

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Speaker 2: See and that's where the gray area of creating something

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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, but then it becomes a he said, she

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Speaker 1: said too. Right yeah, so the best your best piece

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Speaker 2: I mean, and again it's like it varies. Everybody has

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Speaker 1: It's like, so to clarify though, for lighters, what role

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Speaker 2: Writing concept of the record is mine? There was as

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Speaker 2: I was a guy in the direction of the keys

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Speaker 2: He had the idea of it, and then together we

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Speaker 2: original demo when Bruno and the smeusing tens and everybody

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Speaker 2: got it, they wrote it out even further, so it

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Speaker 2: was even better when they were done with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But the so I was a part.

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Speaker 1: Of the writing the melody, so Eminem did rewrite his.

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Speaker 1: He wrote his own. Everybody wrote their own.

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Speaker 2: Yes, except for the course. The course is the one

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Speaker 2: thing that stayed, and that was the one thing. It's

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Speaker 2: funny because the entire concept of the record, even some

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Speaker 2: But a hook will guide you, exceptually on a record,

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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't say that. And and I know some

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00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 2: of that stories got back to some of the folks

441
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: in that camp, but at the time I know none

442
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: of them had any clue. Yeah, So it wasn't like, oh,

443
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 2: I know, but in talking about prior, like when I

444
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 2: was sent away, like I got a home visit and

445
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: Eminem's record came out and like his first album was

446
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: some shady and so it's like rock bottom and things

447
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: of that nature are on it. And so that was

448
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 2: like at that time, I got this home visit, which

449
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: sucked me up because they send you home to fuck

450
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 2: you up on purpose to see if you're gonna do drugs,

451
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: And that was a big It was like I was

452
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen, torn away from everything I've known, thrown out

453
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: on a farm in the middle of a country, grew

454
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: up in the fucking city shoveling pig shit for a

455
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: year and a half. For a year. It was basically

456
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 2: a boot camp, nicely for a boot camp, shot camp

457
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 2: type shit. And so when this happened later on and

458
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: then I didn't get anything for it, it was almost

459
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: like one of my I don't want to say, like

460
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: one of my superheroes, especially for hip hop, and knowing

461
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: his story from what I had up to that point,

462
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 2: it was like such a It was like a kick

463
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: in the dick because now there's this record that it

464
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: was like, Yo, this would be a record that have

465
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 2: not only changed my life, but everybody I had been

466
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: working with could have helped my helped me put my

467
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: sister's kids and a better school, paid off my mom's house,

468
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 2: which still ain't paid off. But like things of that nature,

469
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: so it was it was interesting the effect that it

470
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 2: had on me in that sense as well.

471
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: But in this case though, it wasn't an eminem situation.

472
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: This is a this is a produce that Eminem has

473
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: no clue. Yeah, not even not even in proximity on any.

474
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: Level, not even close.

475
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: So why did you feel that way?

476
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: Uh? Like shit? You feel how you feel? You know

477
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: it wasn't.

478
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ever going to be affected

479
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: by jays if if anything has to any peripherals of

480
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: jay Z. Just no, I'm a man at whoever played

481
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: be but lazy, I'll be like Yo, it must have

482
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: been annoyed that our stars would be aligned. And it's

483
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: just going it.

484
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: Sound good like and and But when you've been fighting

485
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 2: your whole life to have this validation, have this point,

486
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 2: You're broke, you're living, You're thirty years old, living in

487
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: an attic, can't figure out, ain't got like, ain't got

488
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: a pot to pissing, selling drugs ain't the way because

489
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: you keep doing that and get in trouble. So it's

490
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: like there's a there's a bitterness because then I start

491
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: counting what I'm not getting. It's like, yeah, there's this vindication.

492
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: This is great. Now it's like but now I'm not

493
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: like now the opportunity. And it wasn't even always about

494
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: the money. It was like that alone, that credit could

495
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 2: have opened the door for me to go in with

496
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 2: somebody else, to going with this person, which then.

497
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: And that's at the moment everybody works, Yeah, and that's

498
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: a natural reaction. That would be a total logical, natural reaction.

499
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: Everybody would feel that way, right, yeah, and you know.

500
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 2: And so and it's like and then there's the part

501
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 2: of like, don't go after it. You're like, don't try

502
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: to fight for it, chase down the labels and this that,

503
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 2: because then you're gonna get black balled. And it's kind

504
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: of like and I fought with that for a long time,

505
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: and it's like black ball from what?

506
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: So then how does BMG pick you up from a

507
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: non credit?

508
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 2: So the story travel and it ends up I end up.

509
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: It's funny. I was so broke. I had an NPC

510
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: two thousand or twenty five hundred at the time, which

511
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: is a piece of studio equipment A lot of producers know,

512
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: and I had to sell it so I could get

513
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: the money to afford the bus ticket to take the

514
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 2: bus down to New York City to have the meeting

515
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: for BMG. So I sold a piece of my studio equipment, damn,

516
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: so I could go and be able to Yeah, so

517
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: I could have Actually, it's funny I think about it.

518
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: I sold it. I sold that. I sold that NPC

519
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: to thirty eight Speci, another artist out of Rochester that

520
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 2: he's done a lot of stuff with Benny, Griselda and

521
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 2: them guys. So these are all this is all the

522
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: kind of the folks I grew up around green Land

523
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: and all those folks.

524
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: You go to the meeting and how does that meeting go?

525
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: Meeting is great? Like so I had prior to I

526
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 2: sent over some demos and they liked what they heard.

527
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: They saw potential whatever the case and the story had

528
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: he had heard the story about this Lighter's record. So

529
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: we talked and it was a writing camp that weekend,

530
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: so it was kind of like, we want to sign

531
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: you and this to this col pub deal. I'm at this.

532
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: The first session I have is at Michael Bolton's house.

533
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: Oh wow, was a friend of Billy's. Ye so, And

534
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: it wasn't with Michael, but it's at his house because

535
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: that's where they were holding the camp and they were

536
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: like next to each other in different studios. But the

537
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: story like he was Billy was advocate of the underdog,

538
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: and part of it was like, yo, we can look

539
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 2: into this and go after it litigation, YadA YadA, YadA YadA.

540
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: So part of that was, oh shit, I might actually

541
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 2: get what's due to me. So I signed because first

542
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: of all, I didn't have many other options.

543
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: So you're selling your producer equipment. So it's like the

544
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: options on the tape.

545
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: No no, no, It's like where, yeah, where does it

546
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: go from here? And meanwhile, I'm on, I have a

547
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: radio show in Rochester as well. I'm on I have

548
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 2: a radio show seven on Saturday nights. At the time

549
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: that became one of the highest rated radio shows in

550
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: the station's history at one point. So it's like, here

551
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 2: I am in this public perception of like, oh, he's

552
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: on radio, have a studio working on stuff like this,

553
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: But I'm living in an addict selling a piece of

554
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: equipment to be able to go take a meeting to

555
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: possibly get a deal, to possibly get me where I

556
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: think I want to be.

557
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you get this deal, do you go home

558
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: like feeling a little bit more vindicated?

559
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, like I was on top of the world,

560
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: like in some because there was the vindication. It was

561
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: like from this bad discame and it was like, all right,

562
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: I'm gonna turn this into something. But I was. I

563
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: came from the hip hop side of things, and mainly

564
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: everybody that was a part of this team at the

565
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: time it was more pop, all rock type stuff, some

566
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 2: dance stuff. So it was a lot of me trying

567
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: to figure out where I fit in there. And because

568
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't really sing, I wasn't the greatest producer either.

569
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 2: It was like my main skill was like I couldn't

570
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: come up with some melody, but they're simple, which are

571
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: what most hits are. Yeah, yeah, it's like most hits

572
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: tend to be simple melodies. So, and I'm a really

573
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: really good writer and putting words together in storylines, but

574
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I had a lot of respect

575
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: amongst the people that I was working with or signed

576
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: to around with, because oh, here's this guy, here's this story,

577
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: here's this record. He can't really sing his records, and now

578
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get people to demo the records because

579
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: people don't hear what you want them to hear. They

580
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: only hear what they hear.

581
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: So you know, there was a lot of struggles in that.

583
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: So I felt vindicated and but at the same time,

584
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: it was like another layer of I got to prove

585
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: myself even more. Yeah.

586
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: Like, but you get the deal and it comes with

587
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: a check. Yeah, so what's the first thing you do

588
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: with your check?

589
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: First thing I did was put a little down payment

590
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: on a car.

591
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: Okay, you didn't replace the equipment, No, not at that time. Okay, okay,

592
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: so you get a car.

593
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 2: Yep, I get I put a down payment on a

594
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: seven used Forward Escape.

595
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: Oh so that's not even a yeah.

596
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: No, yeah, it's nothing crazy. Usually. I had one hundred

597
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: thousand miles I when I bought it. But I needed

598
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: something because I knew I was gonna have to be

599
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: driving back and forth between Rochester and New York. So

600
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 2: and I was looking in New York, I'm like, oh,

601
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: look at all the oh, the taxi cabs, the trucks,

602
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: they're all for the escapes. These things gotta last long,

603
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: probably should buy one of them. And that's literally how

604
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: I decided to buy that vehicle. And then so that

605
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 2: was the first thing. And then I got an apartment

606
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: down in New York City with another buddy from Rochester,

607
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: Emilio Rojas, So he and I were living together in

608
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: Washington Heights, so I was there as well as back,

609
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: and I was driving back and forth every weekend to

610
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: come to my radio show in Rochester because that opened

611
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: a lot of doors music industry wise for me, as

612
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: well as being on the radio, you know, a little

613
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: ego fulfillment, and I was fairly decent. I was pretty

614
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: good at it. And then living down in New York

615
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: City and spending as much time as I could getting

616
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: trying to get into studios and things of that nature

617
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: with artists. But getting into it doesn't matter how good

618
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: you are. Getting into the rooms with people is all

619
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: relationship based. Yeah, of course, keep hitting my elbow on

620
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: this shit.

621
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: Sorry about that, all right, because I'm short? Yeah, are

622
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: you done cooking?

623
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: Ready? All right?

624
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: Defeat us? Right, feed us, feed us. So at what

625
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: point do you decide to hop on a plane and

626
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: after the well, no, tell me how you end up

627
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: at the BMG buildings. Clearly, it's not a hard situation

628
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: to end up in. But but go ahead, what do.

629
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: You mean, Like, what do you mean How'd I end

630
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: up in the BMG.

631
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: Building because you were squatting there, you said.

632
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: Oh, oh that part. So BMG was moving offices, and

633
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: at the time money was my money started drying up,

634
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: the advanced money. You know, it wasn't a big big check, yeah,

635
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: and back and forth whatever what not. So that started

636
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: drying up. So I literally moved. Instead of bringing all

637
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: my studio equipment back to Rochester, I put it all

638
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: in the BMG building, and I bought an air mattress

639
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: and I would drive down. I would be in Rochester

640
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: because now at this time, I started selling dope again quietly,

641
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So gotta do what you gotta do.

642
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: You gotta do what you gotta do.

643
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: And no hot sauce for me? What no hot sauce

644
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: for me? What no hot sauce for me? If I

645
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: do it, I'm gonna have to control it.

646
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: That saysn't even this red hot, It ain't even that hot. Yeah,

647
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: the white boy out hot sauce. You on your own show.

648
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: It's okay, I'm half white.

649
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: Remember you say your spice level is Come on, it's

650
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 4: the white huh, I got the white side.

651
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: I love hot sauce, you said. My best friend's West Indian,

652
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: so I grew up eating all sorts of spicy ship.

653
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: All right, you ready to you ready to try this?

654
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: Did you put hot sauce on it?

655
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: I put a little drop of hot sauce.

656
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm ready. I mean, I know what it tastes like.

657
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: You better have to two months straight.

658
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: It tastes like tears and heartache, hilarious air mattresses and artaches.

659
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: When you start lying air mattresses, you know, like you're

660
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: on survival mode. And at no point are you thinking

661
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: to I mean, why aren't you thinking to get like

662
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: a regular day job. I know you have the radio show,

663
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: and I know you have the BMG deal, but why

664
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: pick up well?

665
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: I mean, in some cases I did you know, I've

666
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: worked my whole life, but it's not a nothing's ever enough,

667
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: not a little nine to five ain't shit. Like you know,

668
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 2: there was a point in time I was a catering

669
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: manager in Manhattan. So now I'm delivering and this is

670
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: prior to this, I'm delivering shit. The photo shoots, meeting

671
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: ghost face, killing shit like that, and it's like, you know,

672
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: first time, actually the first first week on the job,

673
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: I met Russell Simmons at a car wash. Fuck, I'm

674
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: gonna say to him, Hey, man, listen to my demo. Yeah,

675
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It's like. And that was

676
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: one thing it took me that I I and maybe

677
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: some of that was my own pride.

678
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeahs if anybody would understand these dudes.

679
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: Because you would think you would think so. But that's

680
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: also the other thing that it took me a very

681
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: long time because I was really bitter when I was younger,

682
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: I was better. I was angry. I still am a

683
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: little angry. Still a little bitter too, but with a

684
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: different understanding because the people that make it, people that

685
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: break through, fight, they fought for it, like and when

686
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: you haven't had to fight for it or go through

687
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: the things to get certain places, you have no appreciation

688
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: for what it takes to get there. You have no

689
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: respect for the relationships that you may introduce. It's like

690
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: you and I know each other a little bit, so

691
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: it's like you'll introduce me to somebody knowing my character,

692
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: knowing where I come from knowing I'm not going to

693
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: put you in a fucked up position.

694
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah with that person, yep.

695
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: To where somebody that hasn't earned that or learned that

696
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 2: along the way on their own can fuck everything up

697
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: for somebody just off an introduction.

698
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: By the way, I just experienced that in the entertainment business,

699
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you it is off camera and my

700
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: first time ever, and I was like, what fuck.

701
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: It's like? And relationships are more valuable than money, yeah,

702
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: because the relationships can bring you all the money in

703
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: the world, you know. And I have a lot of

704
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: long standing relationships. Like there's people at labels now that

705
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm friends with that I've been friends with for twenty

706
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: years that I met when they were sitting on the

707
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 2: stoop as a street team. They were on the street.

708
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: See, it's so funny you say that, because when I

709
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: had Celebrity High magazine, a lot of the people that

710
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: were when I was working with all the labels having

711
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: that magazine, they were like kind of more at the

712
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: bottom level. Now they're running shit like later like literally

713
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: like Vice President's President and the one hundred per And.

714
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: That's where a lot of my friends are like, you know,

715
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 2: it's like because everybody's worked to get there. So to

716
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: get back to that part of like where the bitterness

717
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: and stuff is like, it took me a long time.

718
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: I used to be mad at some some I don't

719
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 2: want to say mad, but I used to talk shit

720
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: because like, yo, motherfucker, how you can't open the door

721
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: for somebody from the same place you're from and things

722
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: of that nature when you have the opportunity to do so.

723
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: And it wasn't until I started making my way through

724
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: some of them doors myself and people started coming to

725
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: me thinking I could open doors to where I learned

726
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: and realized what it's like on other sides of it.

727
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: And I started learning that with the radio station when

728
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: I got there, and I was an advocate for independent

729
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: artists and getting independent artists songs played on this radio station.

730
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: So I'll be playing for a week, they'd be back

731
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: next week, like, Yo, I got a new single. I

732
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: want you to play. It's like, nah, that's not how

733
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: this works, man, Like you need to work this thing.

734
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: Take it. Take it from Rochester, go to Buffalo, show

735
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: them you're getting you played here, get them to play it,

736
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: and then do it in Syracuse and make it regional

737
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: like with this one record work that nah, man, this

738
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: new record is shit. I'm like, yo, I can't it

739
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: doesn't work that way. I'm I can't play that record

740
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: for you. Well fuck you. Then I'm like, oh, oh

741
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: fuck me, damn. I just focked for two months to

742
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: get this record on for you. Now I'm telling you

743
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: I can't play your next record and it's fucked me okay,

744
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: s yeah, And that I learned that along the way.

745
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: That is a very common thing. Like people don't like

746
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: to be told no, yeah, and I'm like to tell you,

747
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: and I'm pretty straightforward. So it's like, that's why it's

748
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: been interesting I transition into LA because a lot of

749
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: people it's like, what's the saying, Uh, people in New

750
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: York are nice or kind, but they're not nice. A

751
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: lot of people in LA are nice but they're not kind.

752
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: I never heard that, but that makes sense, you know

753
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

754
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, you know, you fall down, like

755
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: get up you for you know, in New York, help

756
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: you get up, you fucking idiot, Like let me help

757
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: you get the fuck up, dumb dumb to where you know?

758
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: And then they say a lot of people out here

759
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: it's like, and I want to be careful because I

760
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: don't want to create that separation. But they say like

761
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: just okay, keep walking. You know what I'm saying, like

762
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: like that fake shit, like oh nah, girl, you so pretty?

763
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: Turn around. I can't stand that bitch. Yeah, you know

764
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But I think that comes in every city,

765
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 2: so I want to be very careful with that. I

766
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 2: think it's just more prevalent out here because so many

767
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: people come out here to be this thing. So they

768
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: there's this it's the girl from Milwaukee or Wichita that

769
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: gives off that I gotta be this sort of way

770
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: to where it's like the Natives are fucking dope out here,

771
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: same thing, like you know. It's like you know, so, I.

772
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: Don't know, it's very rarely you you in LA and

773
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: you stumble upon an actual.

774
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: Actually, I've come across a bunch like some of my

775
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: closest friends here are Native. Yeah yeah, let me think

776
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: about that.

777
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 4: I have.

778
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: I have like maybe one or two close friends from LA.

779
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't know all my my die hard friends. It's

780
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: always going to be New York all day. Like literally,

781
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: I had maybe one or two solids here in LA.

782
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: But I love my girls in LA, but don't nobody

783
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: compared to my girls in New York. Girls different, Yeah,

784
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 1: because they different, they ride or die differently.

785
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: But the man, listen, I'm telling you. The friends I've

786
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: made here have become family. And it's a lot of

787
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: it is it's like people from here because they don't

788
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 2: they've grown up around the bullshit they're not. I don't

789
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: give a fuck who you know, don't give a shit.

790
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: I don't get like you know. And of course there's

791
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 2: there's exceptions to all that, but that's in every major city.

792
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: That doesn't matter. So it's just a matter of finding

793
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: your circle.

794
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: So take me to your next big milestone. After the

795
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: BMG deal.

796
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 2: Man, I wish I could. That's, you know, like because

797
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: the BMG deal carried on for fuck six years and

798
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: I signed the deal right at the time when the

799
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: industry was changing, publishing deals were changing, so there was

800
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: no there was like then you had to have my deal. Basically,

801
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: I had to have three records. Each record is one

802
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: hundred percent. If I co write the record with four people,

803
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: I only get twenty five percent. So I had to

804
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: have three. I had to have three hundred percent worth

805
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: of records that placed on major labels in order to

806
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: get out of my contract. Oh wow, at a time

807
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: when now Spotify and things these nature are taken over

808
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: and these are physical some of the deal. It's physical albums,

809
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 2: CDs they stopped, they stopped making them. Yeah, so I

810
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: would have been in the deal forever.

811
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: Crazy if you think about it. I ain't seen a

812
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: CD in a long ass time. And there was a

813
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: point where you'd go to Walmart or wherever you bought

814
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: your CDs and you went in there just for CD.

815
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

816
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: Now it was the last time we did that.

817
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: Every Tuesday. It used to be every Tuesday, Tuesday at midnight,

818
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: hit the record store, get the new big punish.

819
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: Your album like okay, damn the good old days.

820
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: All right, now, that's all right. I'm happy. I'm happy

821
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: to be here. One of my friends ain't make it

822
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 2: this far. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm actually talking.

823
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: There for six years you're with BMG, and are you

824
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: You're saying basically you got stuck in the deal.

825
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: I just nothing ever really landed, you know. There was

826
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: a few things that landed. We did a little NFL

827
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: network song, there was a bunch of almost had a

828
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: lot of one night stands with success. Throughout my career,

829
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: a lot of to where it was like this is

830
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 2: the moment, this is it? A lot of the eminem

831
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: story things difference I hate. I don't mean to say

832
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: that eminem story things, but you know a lot of

833
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: like that record situations to where it was like almost,

834
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: like I almost had end song in one of the

835
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 2: Fast and Furious movies. Then the end switched because Paul

836
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: Walker passed same thing with a record that was in

837
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: the running for the trailer for the first fifty Shades

838
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: of Gray and you're flipping a record and it became Beyonce.

839
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: So I've had a lot of moments like that to

840
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: where almost and now I'm on the cusp of another one.

841
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: But Jesus, yeah, I'm on the cusp of another one.

842
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: How do you stay not in a quitting place, in

843
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: a non non validation place, if that's a such word,

844
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like where you kind of like,

845
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do this?

846
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: Man? I would? I don't know because it's heartbreaking, And

847
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: that's the part. It's like either you get it and again,

848
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: like I said, it's a feast or famine thing, but

849
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 2: there's nothing like I don't. I never started making music

850
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: for the money, and that's the thing. So it's like,

851
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: whether I'm making money or not off of music or

852
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, or whatever things I'm working on,

853
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: it's therapy for me. So I have no choice but

854
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: to create.

855
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: It's therapy. I can't understand that. But as an adult

856
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: in a major city, these aren't little cities we are

857
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: living and we're not talking about Ohio, no disrespect to Ohio.

858
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it's expensive in La.

859
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

860
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny because like I look at the

861
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: other side and I'm like, wow, that's crazy how much

862
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: things are. But at the same time, I could never

863
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: fathom living in a in like a city like that.

864
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: Like when people are like, you gotta live in Ohio

865
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: and life just is a lot cheaper, I'm like, that's.

866
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: But the opportunity. You pay for the opportunity and the

867
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: relationships and the network. And that's one of the things

868
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: I always tell people, because I have a lot of

869
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: friends that are talented as fuck that haven't left home,

870
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: have tried a little bit here and there, but don't like,

871
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: haven't stuck to it because they wouldn't go through the

872
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: two months of eating rice and beans. They wouldn't do

873
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: pushed through that extra part.

874
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: So you're saying that that you don't mind the rice

875
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: and beans as long as you have your fare well.

876
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm also a hustler, so I'm gonna figure some shit out.

877
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: I've also always worked. I have a crazy work ethic,

878
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: Like that's one thing anybody will tell you. But I

879
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: got a big heart and a crazy work eth it.

880
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 2: So it's like, if I'd not have a big heart,

881
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: i'd be a multimillionaire already. But I make sure that

882
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: people around me that I work with are taking care

883
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: of before myself. And I think that's why a lot

884
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: of opportunities do present themselves to me.

885
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: When you say taking care before yourself, what does that

886
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: look like.

887
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: Say we got somebody that comes in and wants a

888
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: record and there's a little budget for it. I make

889
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: sure a lot of people you know. It's like, for instance,

890
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 2: I can say I have records that place that I

891
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 2: know paid ten to twenty grand and I got five

892
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: hundred dollars for it. But I know the person who's

893
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: charge a place in the record got the budget was

894
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars for that record. So but it was

895
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: either take this little fifteen hundred dollars or don't get

896
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 2: the record at all placed in whatever this film or

897
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: TV show is. And those are the things that are

898
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: that make it hard too.

899
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying when you say, like, take

900
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: care of everyone before you, what does that look like?

901
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: Because I will work, I'll work a nine to five,

902
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: I'll do all that other shit to where some people aren't.

903
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: You know, some of the creatives I work with don't.

904
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: So it's like when a budget does come like there's

905
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: I'll make sure that they're taking care of to whur

906
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 2: A lot of people say, take care of yourself first.

907
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: I need to because that's you know, you really need

908
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: to because you can't help anybody if you can't help yourself,

909
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 2: something that took me a long time to really accept

910
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: and learn. But making sure that they're getting taken of,

911
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: maybe advancing money out of my personal account before the

912
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: money comes for shit, so they're able to survive another

913
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: week because I know I'm gonna figure it out. Everybody

914
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: don't got them, I'm gonna figure the ship out.

915
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: How do you and how do you not get the

916
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: point of like I'm enabling.

917
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: It's man, it's family, Like these are good people. I

918
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 2: don't really work with a lot of people. I won't

919
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: sit at a dinner table.

920
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: With so.

921
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: And I give tough love. It's not like it's like

922
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: I said that nice and that nice and kind ship.

923
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, here, motherfucker, you need to get your

924
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: ship together, like figure the ship the fuck out, bro,

925
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: I can't do this no more. Like what the fuck about?

926
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: Go give me a check? You know, Like there's that

927
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: sort of ship. But it all always comes from an

928
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 2: honest place because I want. I want. It ain't no

929
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: fun to win a lot. That's the one thing. That

930
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: one that that that dude that sold that record off

931
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: I ended up getting himself in some trouble later on.

932
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 2: And I mean whatever money he did make from it's gone. Wow.

933
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: Had to change his name because it was like, yeah,

934
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: I actually made me glad not to be part of it,

935
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: because it was like some underage boy charge shit, okay, damn.

936
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: And it was crazy because the karma. I'm like, that's

937
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: now I'm vindicated. I was like, but I didn't want

938
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: that that way. That's not the vindication I want.

939
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Uh. It's funny because now. You know,

940
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: I have a daughter now and people will come up

941
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: to me all the time and they're like, hey, but

942
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: are in the industry, And I'm like yeah, and you

943
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: always you would think that little girls aren't safe, But

944
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: in that industry.

945
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody safe. Ain't nobody? Is nobody nobody, It's not.

946
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: Ain't nobody safe. I mean like, we're seeing a lot

947
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: of that shit come to the forefront. And it's crazy

948
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: because I heard you talking a little bit about it

949
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: when I first got in, and it's just like times

950
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 2: have changed so much. Certain shit that maybe wasn't accepted

951
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: or was accepted at a time that's just not tolerated

952
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: it all anymore. It's good to see that growth, but

953
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: it's also crazy to see worlds get flipped upside down

954
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: in various ways. It's like, we don't even need to

955
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: go into that. Let's let's stay away from that because

956
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: that's a rabbit hole of a conversation I already know.

957
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: But it's like it's just like because there's like it's

958
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: just crazy to see It's like like icons and ship

959
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 2: that people looked up to that and then to start

960
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 2: it's like the opposite side of the facade of I'm

961
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: out here looking like I'm doing good, but I'm living

962
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: in a fucking addict selling dope, trying not to get

963
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: caught because everybody thinks I got it. That a fake it, ty,

964
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: you make it ship. That's the other side, like I

965
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: made it. I'm a great guy. I'm helping everyone. Know

966
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 2: you took all their publishing, You're doing this crazy shit. Yeah,

967
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: it's the complete opposite extreme. Yeah, oh I see what

968
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying.

969
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is if you had to do it all

970
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: over again, and like you had to write a letter

971
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: to your younger self knowing everything that you know now

972
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:11,919
Speaker 1: stands cool.

973
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: Motherfucker stands cool. I you know, it's a tough question

974
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: because the problem with that and people have asked, you know,

975
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: people always ask questions like that, Like there's even I

976
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: love who I am as a person, and it's the

977
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: combination of everything that I've been through that have led

978
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: me to I'm not unhappy. I've made some money, I've

979
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: lost some money, made some money back, lost it again.

980
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: For me, it's like I'm at the point now to

981
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: where I'm really just trying to figure out connecting the

982
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 2: dots so I can actually be able to help other

983
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: people the way I've always wanted to, because I'm a

984
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: giver at the end of.

985
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: My core, you know me off Like, I hang out

986
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: with you a couple of times, and I would definitely say,

987
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things I will saying about you.

988
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: Come on, let's go. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. Come on,

989
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: let's go. I want to hear it, let's go, come on,

990
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: give it to me.

991
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things I say about you, but

992
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: I would say that the top tier would be, Uh,

993
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: you seem very genuine You're very hospitable, which is goes

994
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: hand in hand with genuineness. Right, You're you're definitely I

995
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: would say giver. Yeah, what else not?

996
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: There's some more shit you got give them the bad

997
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 2: ship too, Come on, bad ship.

998
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: No, I'm not doing that while we're recording.

999
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: Isn't that what this is about?

1000
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: The bad Ship? I think you're nervous, Okay. From the

1001
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: day I've met you, I think you are one hundred

1002
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: percent dope. One hundred percent dope. I do think though,

1003
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: if you get to know Nick and you are a female.

1004
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 2: Okay, you got to look a little plug for myself.

1005
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: There you go.

1006
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: Do I get to keep it. That's for you, Okay.

1007
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: I just needed you to say something nice about me

1008
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 2: telling what she's.

1009
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: One, because just gave me a present. I don't know

1010
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: if i's not talking.

1011
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 2: No, no, not, because now you're going to go into

1012
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: the women part. Let's go. You can call me a

1013
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: misogy and hist no.

1014
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: If I had to be brutally honest and I uh

1015
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: and uh and I said this behind your back before.

1016
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: You obviously never heard this. But I genuinely think when

1017
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: you get around you're wholesome, like you're a whole person,

1018
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: You're a giver and all that. But I definitely think

1019
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: as a female that there may be a possible nervous

1020
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: stick with you because your mouth can go crazy. It's

1021
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: almost like the guy that can talk himself out, like

1022
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: you got me.

1023
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: I talked myself into some.

1024
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: From my takeaway, it's like you can have that that

1025
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: three point shot, but your mouth can actually undo it.

1026
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: That's that's not a bad side.

1027
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: That I just said that, not because the part of

1028
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: it is I'm willing to unpack that.

1029
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like you I should That's why I

1030
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: said it's got to be a nervous tick. I never

1031
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: I never say and I say that with respect to you, like,

1032
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: and I've said this like behind your back, like one

1033
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: hundred percent dope person. But there must be some kind

1034
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: of like there's got to be some kind of nervous

1035
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: tick that causes you to be super dope. And then

1036
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: like I would say, just knowing you person, like when

1037
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: you get around a female, you say some stuff that's

1038
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 1: like what and so you'd have to assume it's got

1039
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: to be like a nerd.

1040
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 2: And this sounds terrible because it's funny.

1041
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: It's a woman's perspective. If I had to be really

1042
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: honest to me, it comes off like a nervous tick

1043
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: because if you know the person, you're like, this person's

1044
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: a solid person, So why the heck would they be

1045
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: like Tourette syndrome of the polar opposite, because it's got

1046
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: to be a nervous tick a lot of it.

1047
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: So it's funny because when you've known me long enough,

1048
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: now I don't bite my tongue. Yeah, like I just

1049
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: say what the fuck I think you do? But it's like,

1050
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: but in a lot of times I'll be poking.

1051
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: Oh I'm po poke.

1052
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 2: I'll be well, but i'd be poking because there's so

1053
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 2: I guess you have to get into some of my

1054
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: therapy shit. So I grew up watching my mother cheato

1055
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: on my father, then finding out later my father wasn't

1056
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: actually my father, and so growing up my entire life.

1057
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: It made sense a week before I turned twenty nine

1058
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: when I found out my father wasn't my father, and

1059
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 2: my older brother younger sister were my half brother half sister,

1060
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 2: and my entire family was lying to me my whole life.

1061
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: So a lot of me, especially when I have the

1062
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: love hate relationship with women, because I give my all.

1063
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: But then there's this I don't trust you. What can

1064
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: I get away with? How much respect you got for yourself?

1065
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: Can I say this and get away with this? How

1066
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: far are you gonna let me go? Is that the

1067
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: right thing to be doing? No, But that's some of

1068
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: the unpacking on a surface level.

1069
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: For damn. I'm kind of glad I addressed it because

1070
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: I called today. I didn't know what that was, of course,

1071
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: and so I did hang out with you during COVID.

1072
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, you cooked me a nice dinner. I

1073
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: thought you were super dope, low key guys. Off the record,

1074
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm Loki wanted to date you, but then we hung

1075
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: out and you were very respectful of me. I think

1076
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: I even spent the night at his house and we

1077
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: didn't smash. We didn't smash, and I thought that was awesome.

1078
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: I was like, he's really respectful. I don't even know

1079
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: why I stayed, but I mean not saying it like that,

1080
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: but I don't know how I ended up sleeping there.

1081
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: But it wasn't. The intention obviously wasn't that. I'm just

1082
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: saying very hospitable. But then you would say things abound

1083
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: me and I'm like, like, is this dude a nutbag?

1084
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: Like respect hospitable. So that's why I was saying, you

1085
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: must have a nervous tick. But that nervous tick was

1086
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 1: like as a person.

1087
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: I was like, like, for you, it's like I get

1088
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: the fuck away from. So you actually wanted to bring

1089
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: this up because this was something you was trying to

1090
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: understand what happened back, No, we hung out. This really

1091
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: wasn't just trying.

1092
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: To because I genuine think you're a dope person and

1093
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: it can be. And I'm glad you explained that for

1094
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: even just all women to know this, because you know,

1095
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: and I get the poking because me and I tell

1096
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: girls guys have disclaimers. The guy will. You'll be at

1097
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: a party and a guy be like, would you have

1098
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: sex with a dog or something something crazy, and you'd

1099
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: be like, as a woman, you got to just be

1100
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: able to walk away from you know what I mean,

1101
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: that's crazy trying to but you know how they'll test you,

1102
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: like would you have a threesome?

1103
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 2: You know, And there's two sides of that. There's like

1104
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: there's the we have a threesome like maybe I can

1105
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: her and her friend, yeah, And then there's a threesome

1106
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: like I don't really want to have a kid with her, yeah.

1107
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: Or or like when I always feel like when a

1108
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: guy does that, it is such a disrespectful thing that

1109
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're trying to test me, Well, here's

1110
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: the test by deuces. So if I get any sense

1111
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: of a disclaimer, I'm out because I'm not I'm not

1112
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: with but we're grown. Yeah. But I just I say

1113
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: that to say that it didn't for me. I didn't

1114
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: align with the person I knew, and then those random

1115
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: whatever the heck do you call them pops?

1116
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: But also to like with me, there's a lot of

1117
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: personality stuff. It's like a lot of women, and I'm

1118
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: attracted to strong women, So there's that. I can't say

1119
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: a weak women don't do it for me. I walk

1120
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: all over you. I get bored because I'm I'm strong.

1121
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: I've been fighting my whole life. I need somebody that

1122
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: can help lift me when I'm down, which I don't

1123
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: want to say isn't often.

1124
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: But you know, every like everybody, everybody has everybody.

1125
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like, let's stop

1126
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: the tough talk shit. Everybody you know, everybody has their things.

1127
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: So there's that. But I'm also self like, very like

1128
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: I'm attracted to strong women like slick mouth. I like

1129
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: my women a little snak. What slick mouth like my

1130
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 2: women a little stak? Yeah, Like like I don't want

1131
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: every dude that says HI to you for you to

1132
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: be fucking friendly with you. Don't need to be friendly

1133
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: to everybody, like be a little stank because I know men,

1134
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: how you doing and you're attractive? Fuck now I gotta do.

1135
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: And I've the short white kid my whole life that's

1136
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: predominantly dated Latin women and things that, so I've been

1137
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: tested my whole life in that area. So but date

1138
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: strong women. Y'all talk shit. That's who slick mouth. And

1139
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: I got a lot of slick mouth too, so you're

1140
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: gonna get that slick talk right back.

1141
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I just I'm glad that we did identify

1142
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: your one little minor, not even a flaw. I just

1143
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: want to say the one thing that was a little offsetting, right,

1144
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: I do say some crazy shit identified the room. It's

1145
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: And it's funny because for me, I always feel like

1146
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be so so ignorant. I always be like,

1147
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: women don't cheat. That's hearing this ship though, I'm like, oh.

1148
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,959
Speaker 2: Well, And the part is then it carries on further,

1149
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: you know, because yeah, sure that's the idea of what

1150
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: I based what a woman's supposed to be about. Right,

1151
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 2: So then then get into the relationships and things that

1152
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: I dealt with personally growing up. So then it's like,

1153
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 2: you know, it's all these things and now granted, this

1154
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 2: is all stuff that as you grow older you become

1155
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 2: self aware. You start realizing, like you said, tick, why

1156
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 2: do I do this? And a lot of its defense

1157
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: mechanisms things that and whatnot. So it's like me, you

1158
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 2: can always tell there's always some truth in my jokes always, always,

1159
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how much of a joke it is, there's

1160
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: something hidden in that. Motherfucker is like, eh, I'm actually

1161
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: not joking, and then being self aware enough to know

1162
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: that I'm I'm always like trying to create laughed laughing

1163
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 2: when things become uncomfortable creating jokes.

1164
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well all right now that whosos? I hope my

1165
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: whole couples have. Well, anyways, let's go. Let's catch up

1166
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: to where you're at now.

1167
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: All right, So right now doing multiple things actually, So

1168
00:57:55,320 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: actually run a club in Hollywood's Hollywood Apartment two hundred,

1169
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: which I'm one of the gms over there, which I

1170
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: ended up doing on accident, same way I ended up

1171
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: in radio on accident. And I've been doing that for

1172
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: a few months, which has been great because it's introduced

1173
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 2: me to i mean, a week ago, Scissor was there.

1174
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: So it's like it's opened up the door for some

1175
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 2: relationships that I haven't been able to foster just by

1176
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: being out and about, especially because I'm not a big

1177
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: club guy, Like I'm over that shit. I'm grown. I'd

1178
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: rather sit home, say some offensive shit and take a nap,

1179
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But and then a lot

1180
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: of sync film stuff, like there's a one of Skid

1181
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: Bear Bailey that we just did a couple of records

1182
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: for that for bats manager is getting behind I have

1183
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: a placement with I can't get in the specifics per

1184
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: se right now, but there's a movie coming out in

1185
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 2: the next few month that you but.

1186
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: Let's you know what, let's backtrack, Let's go back to

1187
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: House Party. Okay, you got a placement in House Party, right?

1188
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: How did you acquire that?

1189
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: So that's funny. That record is actually me and my

1190
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: guy Reezy Tunes in Good June. Good June is a

1191
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 2: part of the group Overdose that's from out here. Cal

1192
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: Maddock used to be Overdose's manager, so they're all friends,

1193
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: grew up in La together, and we had done that

1194
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: record like two years prior. So. This record was sitting

1195
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: as a demo on my studio computer at my house

1196
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: and June hit me and was like, Yo, I'm doing

1197
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: this thing. And it was during the pandemic. He's like, Yo,

1198
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm doing this thing. I'm gonna I'm gonna perform this live.

1199
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: Can you send me I'm like cool, send it to him.

1200
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: He does his live performance of this and then hits

1201
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: me the next day. It was like, Yo, I'm about

1202
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: to put you in touch with this music supervisor. They

1203
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: want this for this movie. So that was just sheer,

1204
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 2: like god working real relationships. This a dope record, right timing,

1205
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 2: right person saw it, and none of us have publishing deals.

1206
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: We're all out of our shit. Nobody was tied to anything.

1207
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: So we did. We brokeer that whole thing independently.

1208
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

1209
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: So and then that was even crazy because originally it

1210
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: was supposed to go direct to I think HBO Max

1211
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: or whatever it was at the time, and because of

1212
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: the pandemic, things kept getting punted, they're pushing things back.

1213
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: Then there was a merger, so it was one point

1214
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: where like, oh, we're not even getting it, Like yeah,

1215
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: it's not like they're not even going to put the

1216
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 2: movie out anymore. And then now, mind you, we did

1217
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: all the deal for a direct to streaming was the

1218
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: whole deal. So it wasn't a bunch, It wasn't a

1219
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 2: ton of money, but great. Look then we get word

1220
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 2: that they're actually going to do a theatrical release, so

1221
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 2: we're like, oh shit, so and I was thinking we

1222
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: about that, like oh we about it? No, because we

1223
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: had already had done the deal for this other situation,

1224
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 2: so it was like what we got was what we got.

1225
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: There'll be some royalties, but the film royalties are completely different.

1226
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: Fortunately we still own the master, but the record didn't

1227
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: take off on the film. But it was fucking dope.

1228
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 2: Got to go to the premiere here like great experience.

1229
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: But it's like, and there's a bunch of things like that.

1230
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: I've had a couple of things in power a couple

1231
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: of the Power shows and you know, Mike Tyson, But

1232
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: how do.

1233
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 1: Those when you get those placements, Like do the checks be?

1234
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: Can you give us a ballpark of how decent they are?

1235
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: They all vary. That's the thing. What the check is

1236
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: that you get and what the actual budget for the

1237
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: song is depending on who the person is connecting the

1238
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: dots can be two different worlds. And that's what I

1239
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: was saying before.

1240
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: So it seems though it seems like you're always I

1241
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: used to call it like I used to always sell

1242
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: my dad. It's like I'm really hungry and it's just

1243
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: like thin glass between me and a steak, and for

1244
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I can't break through this glass, but I

1245
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: can see it. I can't even smell it. And I

1246
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: always used to be like, man, it's like so close

1247
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 1: but also impossible to break this damn glass.

1248
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: But you but you gonna get it. Yeah, you ain't stopping.

1249
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 2: And that's how. And it's funny because people like it's

1250
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: because it goes correlates back to what you asked me

1251
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: earlier about, like the music, what's it like? How do

1252
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: you keep going? And it was like, I've been asked

1253
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 2: that sort of thing because I've had so many almost

1254
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: moments and I've had some small ones, had some bigger ones,

1255
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 2: you know, and it's like they're like, what's it I've

1256
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: been asked, what's it like? I'm like, well, imagine waking

1257
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 2: up confessing. I woke up, came do you confess to you?

1258
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: I fucking love you? You are everything I need. You

1259
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: look at me and say you're not good enough? Get

1260
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: up and do it again tomorrow, and get up and

1261
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: do it again, and get up and keep doing it

1262
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: until finally you know what you are good enough. That's

1263
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: what a lot of it's like, because you're always chasing

1264
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: the acceptance in the approval. Yeah, or at least I am.

1265
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

1266
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's an artist I think his name is Russell

1267
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: or russ Rush, Yeah, and he had a book. I

1268
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: put it on my book list. I like to read

1269
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: a lot, but I had read a couple of pages

1270
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: out of his book and he talked about that in

1271
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: his books, and I thought it was like it was interesting.

1272
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: I was like, man, are we seeking this outside validation?

1273
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: And it was crazy because he talks about once.

1274
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: He got it, that it wasn't what you thought it was.

1275
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't like literally didn't cure any depression or anything

1276
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: he was dealing with, and he had to, like obviously

1277
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: end up. Everyone wants to say that the quote unquote

1278
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta work and you don't battle these

1279
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: demons internally first or whatever, but shout outs to him.

1280
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: But I did read a couple of pages and I

1281
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I think I'm gonna check

1282
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: out his book because I would hate to constantly feel

1283
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: like what you just described just to get to the

1284
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: end goal, right to end up what he described, you know.

1285
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 2: But I mean that's one of the things where I

1286
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 2: guess that comes along with the saying where everybody's like

1287
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 2: money doesn't you know, buy happiness, and it's like, well,

1288
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 2: I'd like to first of all find that out for

1289
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: my fucking self. Let's start there, all right, And how

1290
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: often do you see somebody on a jet ski not smiling?

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree, I can't agree on. I can agree

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01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: on it's weird because I have a nice, cool balance

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: of friends. I have some friends that are millionaires, and

1294
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: then I have friends that are broke and I got

1295
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: I definitely have a buffet of different option of friends.

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01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: But like I just try to just all from New York.

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01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 2: None of them are native La.

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01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: Right, No, they're all there's something from it.

1299
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 2: You know. You're right.

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01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: I do have more friends from my way, but I do,

1301
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: and a matter of fact, now I think about it,

1302
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: some of them do write almost as hard as my

1303
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: New York.

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01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 2: She just can't give it. You can't just you can't

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01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: give it though, well he's almost you just can't give

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01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: it to them.

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01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: It's okay, man, I ain't nothing like a day one er. Man.

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 2: You can give it to him. It's okay, New York.

1309
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna hate you because you love La.

1310
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. A couple of years ago.

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01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 1: It's so weird. I have two best friends that went

1312
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: to two different. I went to two different high schools,

1313
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, every time I go to New York,

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: I always kept up separate. And one year I was

1315
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: hanging out with Tia and I brought her to New

1316
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: York with me and uh and I put two of

1317
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: my best friends in the first time ever. And I

1318
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: don't know why it never occurred to me before, but

1319
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: now it's like a squad of three of us. I'm like, bitch,

1320
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: you never had to like divide your time between these

1321
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: two girls. You could have had them all at the

1322
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: same time the life.

1323
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: And sharing their friendship. And that's the thing.

1324
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: But that's awesome now where our group.

1325
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. The circle. You gotta find

1326
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: your circle no matter where you go. And it's like

1327
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna attract the sort of people that you are.

1328
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 2: So it's like, that's why I attract smart ass, smart

1329
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 2: mouth ass women because I'm a smart mouth me. Because

1330
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 2: because you're a smart as you got a smart ass mouth.

1331
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 2: You say, you say some slick What the fuck do

1332
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: you just say to me? Ship too? Okay, it ain't

1333
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: just me, trust and believe.

1334
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: Lately, I've been realizing my smartest mouth because.

1335
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh you got yourself in some trouble. See, I got

1336
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: all that trouble out early, so I knew happened yesterday.

1337
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: I said, oh, man, you need to chill out before

1338
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: you in a bad situation. I had a rough situation

1339
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: last night where it was like, you may have to

1340
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: learn a lesson from this.

1341
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: One's always something to be learned.

1342
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: But okay, I'm gonna We're gonna probably close out because

1343
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: I know we went over time. But I do want

1344
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: to circle back to the one question that I know

1345
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: everybody asked. But seeing your journey has been all of bumpy,

1346
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 1: all of bumpy, or what advice would you honestly give

1347
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: your younger self for the road ahead?

1348
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 2: Mmmm, It's gonna be okay, no matter how bad it

1349
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 2: No matter how bad it gets, everything's temporary, money, love,

1350
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: fucking life, it's all temporary. Feelings are temporary. When you

1351
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: feel like you're at like it's over, it's not over.

1352
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 2: Take a couple of naps, push through it, and it's

1353
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: gonna like you can't be happy without being sad.

1354
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've got into the place at forty. I

1355
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: tell people all the time, Man, I don't pursue happiness.

1356
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: I can give a crap about happiness. I'm all about peace.

1357
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: Give me a flat line all day. I'm good with it.

1358
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: Like I realized that on the other side of happiness

1359
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: is the polar opposite, and I'll stay. I will gladly

1360
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 1: not ride the roller coaster and just take the train.

1361
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I hear you because it sounds good. And

1362
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 2: that's the stability and knowing yourself and how you react

1363
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: to things and how to handle your feelings because unfortunately

1364
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: you ain't in control of your happiness and sadness all

1365
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 2: the time.

1366
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, is what it is.

1367
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 2: There's things way beyond your control that are gonna fuck

1368
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: with your piece.

1369
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: So damn smoggers. You speaking real mature.

1370
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you it's just it's just you know, just I've

1371
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: been through some ship, you know.

1372
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Speaker 4: It just is what it is.

1373
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: This is a therapy. That's what I always wanted. I

1374
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 2: always wanted to do a I think if we talked

1375
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 2: about it once and I said, I want to do

1376
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 2: a podcast called free Therapy here if you want, that's

1377
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 2: one more fucking thing I gotta do. Do you how

1378
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 2: much I will work like eighteen hours a day as

1379
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: it is.

1380
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: It's up to you tell people how they could keep

1381
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: up with Nickel Fields.

1382
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 2: Well, you can catch me on you know, all social

1383
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 2: media stuff Nickel Fields N I K A L F

1384
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 2: I E L d Z. You can text me at

1385
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 2: ha ha fooled you. I mean that's really it.

1386
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: You could text me how high fooled you? Yeah, that's hilarious.

1387
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah hah, I'm a fool.

1388
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 2: Yet not. I mean that's really it's you know, I'm not.

1389
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not hard to find, not that hard

1390
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: to find. That's why I have to start watching my

1391
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 2: big mouth, because what would be some.

1392
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: Of the pieces of advice would you give to someone

1393
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: else that is seeking to get placement and move met

1394
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:14,919
Speaker 1: movies or writing credits.

1395
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: Get out of the bedroom, get out of the like

1396
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: you can't like you want to spend time owning your

1397
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: craft and developing it in the studio and things of

1398
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 2: that nature. But you see it all the time. It's

1399
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 2: it's all about the network. It's all about who you

1400
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 2: know you can you can wrap dog shit and tendfoil

1401
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: and market it properly, which and it's it's the sad truth,

1402
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 2: you know, it is what it is. So it's like,

1403
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 2: don't do it for the right reasons. As far as

1404
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: the music stuff you gotta eat like this, it's not

1405
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: everybody looks at the glimmer and glit side of it,

1406
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 2: but it's a lonely road, yeah, even you know. And

1407
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 2: they say it's lonely at the top, you know, And

1408
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 2: my only thing with that is, I think it's only

1409
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 2: lonely at the top. If you forget to bring to

1410
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: people with you, or you forget who helped you get there,

1411
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: then it's only at the top.

1412
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I could see that. That's that's a great nugget. Yeah,

1413
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 1: So all right, y'all, Well, thank you for feeding me.

1414
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: Red beans. Rice tastes good, definitely for balling on a budget.

1415
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: It's a good meal. It's a good meal, not bad

1416
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: at all.

1417
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: Especially put some hot sauce on it. Yeah, you need

1418
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: the hot sauce.

1419
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: The red hot definitely helped it. Thank y'all for tuning in,

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: piece out.