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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast, The Fort.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Tuesday edition.

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Speaker 3: Primary Day in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 2: Go vote New Hampshire, writes Donald Trump versus Nicky Haley

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Speaker 2: head to head the final Suffolk Paul dropped a few

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Speaker 2: hours ago. It had Trump up sixty to thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: Also a story we're paying attention to. They are having

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Speaker 2: to write in Joe Biden's name in the Democrat primary

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Speaker 2: because Biden is not on the the on the ballot

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Speaker 2: because he refused to allow New Hampshire to vote before

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Speaker 2: South Carolina, so his name is not on there. They

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Speaker 2: are asking people to write it in. Could be interesting

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Speaker 2: to compare how Nicky Hayley does compared to Dean Phillips.

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Speaker 2: Is there going to be a substantial number of Democrats

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Speaker 2: that will come out and say, we're not supporting Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: We are supporting this Minnesota congressman that many of you

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Speaker 2: don't know anything about, and frankly that many Democrats don't

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Speaker 2: know anything about. Because for the most part, there has

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Speaker 2: been a decision not to cover this as a contested

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Speaker 2: primary by MSNBC and CNN and their ILK but all

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Speaker 2: of you go vote New Hampshire writes, there doesn't seem

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Speaker 2: to be any real concern that Nicky Haley is going

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Speaker 2: to win. So we will have this discussion tomorrow in earnest,

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Speaker 2: I believe, but I think we can all basically start

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Speaker 2: it today in many respects, And that is this question,

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Speaker 2: what does Nicky Haley need to do tonight, Buck in

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Speaker 2: your mind for her to be justified in continuing the

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Speaker 2: primary race against Donald Trump into her home state of

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Speaker 2: South Carolina. Now, the Haley camp today is putting out

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Speaker 2: all sorts of statements saying, and it's not really a

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Speaker 2: surprise because you try to look confident in advance of

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Speaker 2: an election, saying that they plan on challenging Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: all the way through Super Tuesday, which would not occur

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Speaker 2: until March fifth. That would mean that we've got whatever

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Speaker 2: the math is, there about six weeks of ongoing primary

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Speaker 2: process that the Haley campaign believes should go on before

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Speaker 2: she acknowledges that Trump is going to be the nominee

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Speaker 2: again through Super Tuesday. That would include her home state

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Speaker 2: of South Carolina in a month.

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Speaker 3: I think that's very hard to argue.

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Speaker 2: If she loses by fifteen or twenty points in New

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Speaker 2: Hampshire because New Hampshire, Buck is far more favorable to

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Speaker 2: reign to Nicki Haley than South Carolina is going to be,

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Speaker 2: or a place like my home state of Tennessee is

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Speaker 2: going to be, or Texas is going to be. What

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Speaker 2: does Nicki Haley need to do in your mind, Buck

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Speaker 2: for this not to be over tonight?

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Speaker 4: So you know how there are maxims that people say,

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Speaker 4: and then there are some that are untrue, right that

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Speaker 4: people say it, but it's really not the case. One

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Speaker 4: of the ones that always comes to mind for me

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Speaker 4: is there's no such thing as bad publicity that is

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Speaker 4: a lie. There's definitely such a thing as bad publicity.

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Speaker 4: The general sentiment I can understand, and it's often applicable,

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Speaker 4: but there are some very, very big exceptions to that.

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Speaker 4: I bring it up play because for Nicky Haley, the

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Speaker 4: question is what is the value to her? She's not

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Speaker 4: gonna win the presidency, Okay, I mean unless you know,

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Speaker 4: we could wake up tomorrow and we could be in

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Speaker 4: the beginning of an Ice age, Like I can't tell

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Speaker 4: you what's going to happen in the future definitively, but

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Speaker 4: you and I both know she's not gonna win the.

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Speaker 2: President short of health for Trump issue or the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court going even more rogue than they did, which we'll

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Speaker 2: talk about, i'm sure with their ruling against Texas later

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Speaker 2: in the show.

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Speaker 4: But you know, chaos so fired up about that last

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Speaker 4: night when that came down. We're going to dive into

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Speaker 4: that border issue. Lawlessness now is what the law demands.

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Speaker 4: That's that's the real shorthand of what's going on on

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Speaker 4: her border. But okay, but back to Nikiyhila. I bring

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Speaker 4: it up play because it's all about what is best

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Speaker 4: for her. She's a very, very ambitious person. All these

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Speaker 4: politicians are. I'm not singling her out, but she's somebody

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Speaker 4: who has longer time in the game than say Trump,

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Speaker 4: for Biden or Bernie Sanders. So she's got to think

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Speaker 4: about the overall horizon. And I think that for her,

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Speaker 4: So that's what I mean by there's no such there's

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Speaker 4: no such thing as bad publicity. Losing your home state

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Speaker 4: when you're the popular governor of South Carolina in a primary,

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Speaker 4: that would be bad publicity. I think New Hampshire is

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Speaker 4: playing with house money. I think New Hampshire for her

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Speaker 4: is if she's close, it looks good. If she gets

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Speaker 4: blown out, nobody remembers New Hampshire anyway. So for me,

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Speaker 4: the much bigger question remains, does she really want to

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Speaker 4: South Carolina? Because in New Hampshire, I think you and

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Speaker 4: I would both wager at this point that she's gonna

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Speaker 4: lose by more than double digits, will probably lose by

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Speaker 4: fifteen points or something. I mean, she's gonna get smoked.

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Speaker 4: As you say, I like it, Yeah, like that term. Yes,

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Speaker 4: she will get smoked. And then you're left with what's

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Speaker 4: the purpose of Nicki Haley staying in for Nicki Haley?

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Speaker 4: Because that's really what matters. Will the donors be able

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Speaker 4: to bully her or delude her into thinking that there's

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Speaker 4: more of a long term possibility for her. Maybe, But

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Speaker 4: I mean this, she's in New Hampshire, it's today, the

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Speaker 4: voting's going on, She's gonna lose. Do you think she

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Speaker 4: stays through to South Carolina? For me, that's the much

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Speaker 4: bigger question. Does she stay through to her home state,

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Speaker 4: because I don't that it would be a bad look.

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Speaker 3: Let me contextualize this for everybody.

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Speaker 2: You guys out there listening, know that I like to

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Speaker 2: go look at the offshore gambling markets just to get

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Speaker 2: a sense on Hey, like, what is the expectation out there?

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Speaker 2: If Nicky Haley were to win in New Hampshire, it

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Speaker 2: would be the equivalent, according to these markets, basically of

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Speaker 2: Trump pulling off the twenty sixteen upset over Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 3: Upsets happened.

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Speaker 2: They are very rare, and for the most part, all

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Speaker 2: of the polling has been correct so far on the

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Speaker 2: on the primary season Iowa, everything that we saw dead

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Speaker 2: on so far, Trump pulling away up fifteen or twenty points.

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Speaker 2: So let's contextualize that. That means that's the way that

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Speaker 2: I think about it. If I were in Nicky Haley's

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Speaker 2: by single digits in order to argue that she could

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Speaker 2: go on to South Carolina.

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Speaker 3: So, in other words, I think it needs to be like,

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Speaker 2: Fifteen points, yeah, fifty four for Trump, forty six for

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley, something like that. Obviously, some people will still vote,

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Speaker 2: I don't the ballot. Maybe still have Chris Christy and

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Speaker 2: Ron de Santis will get some small percentage some people

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Speaker 2: will still go vote for them. But but yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think she needs to lose by less than by under ten,

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Speaker 2: you know, ten to fifteen I think is pushing it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe anything over fifteen she has no to me, no

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Speaker 2: justification whatsoever to continue, And really the question will then

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Speaker 2: become buck the same thing that we asked about Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: Nicky Haley went all in on New Hampshire, like Ron

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Speaker 2: de Santis went all in on Iowa. If you go

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Speaker 4: I also think that that this maybe is a point

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Speaker 4: where we can step back and look at this all

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Speaker 4: in on a state strategy. I think that, and maybe

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Speaker 4: somebody could show me the data that would prove.

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Speaker 3: This to be wrong.

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Speaker 4: You know what we see in a lot of previous

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Speaker 4: presidential elections somebody winning one of these early states and

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Speaker 4: then not winning the overall election. I feel like this

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Speaker 4: this tunnel vision, look, it clearly did not serve and

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Speaker 4: this is not a you know, we're not in the

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Speaker 4: knocking Ron DeSantis game here, great Governor Trump says he's

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Speaker 4: welcome on the Trump train, and we've been all along.

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Speaker 4: I think very fair to the fact that Ron is

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Speaker 4: a great conservative leader and.

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Speaker 3: Has a very bright future.

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Speaker 4: But the all in on Iowa strategy, which was really

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Speaker 4: a repeat of Ted Cruz's twenty sixteen all in on

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Speaker 4: couldn't have failed more than it did. And Nikki Haley

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Speaker 4: going all in on New Hampshire. But what I'm saying

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Speaker 4: is this has happened time and time again. Now where

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Speaker 4: it's oh, we're going to show everybody, No, I think

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Speaker 4: you have to run an election campaign where you're telling

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Speaker 4: the whole country or you know, the members of your

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Speaker 4: party across the country. I'm the guy, I'm the gal,

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Speaker 4: not we're gonna win in this one place, and then

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Speaker 4: everyone's going to change their minds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of times that's a function of

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Speaker 2: not having enough money to compete anywhere else.

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Speaker 3: So you just say, hey, we've got fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Million dollars, we're gonna put all our chips in the

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Speaker 4: But this has failed over and I mean that that's right.

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Speaker 4: I think has failed repeatedly.

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Speaker 2: I think what it shows is a lot of people

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Speaker 2: say is Nicky Hayley's done if she can't get within

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Speaker 2: If anybody out there has ever sprinted, you can do

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Speaker 2: your while it's been a while. Oh you know, I

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Speaker 2: wrote a book about training for the NFL Draft like

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Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, Buck and the forty is a huge deal,

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Speaker 2: the forty yard draft. What you run the forty eight

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Speaker 2: time you're forty? Oh yeah, yeah, what was your best

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Speaker 4: I think if you Tom Brady's a handsome man, he

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Speaker 4: runs a five to five.

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Speaker 2: People are laughing out there at that. Lot of people

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Speaker 2: I did on the Old out Kick Show. If you

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Speaker 2: People will see a guy run like a five four

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Speaker 2: That guy would dust you in a race. But what

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Speaker 2: you learn is forty yards is not that far now,

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Speaker 2: it's farther than most people sprint, right, So that's a

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Speaker 2: challenge too, for it. Most people have not sprinted forty

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Speaker 2: of you know, my hamstrings hurt just thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so, but the thing.

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Speaker 2: You learn is you could only run a forty hard

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Speaker 2: about two times whatever your and that's why they run

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Speaker 2: you twice. Whatever your time is on those first two

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Speaker 2: about that a little bit in the context of these primaries.

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Speaker 2: Nikki Hayley has run her forty in New Hampshire, she

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Speaker 2: has put her best foot forward, she's placed whatever her

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Speaker 2: best time is, and I think she's gonna lose by

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Speaker 2: fifteen or twenty. Every other state that she's going into

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Speaker 2: now is going to be less efficient and effective than

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Speaker 2: the forty that she's already run, which means I expect

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Speaker 2: to have to make a rational decision, and we'll see

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Speaker 2: whether she will or not.

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Speaker 4: I think she's I think she's gonna drop before South

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, welcome in second hour of play. And Buck,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the razor wire removal at the border.

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Speaker 3: This is what we know.

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Speaker 4: The Supreme Court has come down with a five four

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Speaker 4: I believe barbed wire started with cattle ranchers in the

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Speaker 4: And obviously razor wire is a form of barbed wire anyway.

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Speaker 4: But they've been putting this barbed wire in a few

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Speaker 4: places on the soil of the state of Texas. Yes,

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Speaker 4: And they're putting this razor wire down so that migrants

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Speaker 4: I would be interested to see how both sides would

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Speaker 4: I mean the State of Texas effectively, Attorney General Paxton

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Speaker 4: Has neglected its duties effectively, is engaging in nullification of

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Speaker 4: where's my congressional authorization for war? Different Obviously you're talking

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Speaker 3: They want to make it easier.

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Speaker 4: It's not they're having border patrol cut the wire and

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Speaker 4: And beyond on that, the justification the Biden Administration's had

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna be I'm gonna put my lawyer

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Speaker 3: Into a single sentence. Buck.

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Speaker 2: This is one of the things you learn in law school.

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Speaker 2: Basic principle here that I think has to be asked

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Speaker 3: You know this, I know this.

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Speaker 3: A couple of things.

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Speaker 4: But I mean it's it's a it's a function of

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Speaker 3: Right? Is why we have a civil war?

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Speaker 4: I mean, can you tell them, oh, you know what

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Speaker 4: is not a specifically federal issue. The state of Texas

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Speaker 4: can do this wherever it wants to do in the

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Speaker 4: state of Texas. You know, if one thing, if they

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Speaker 4: were saying, oh, we're going to take people and younilaterally

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Speaker 4: deport them all on behalf of the United States government,

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Speaker 4: as great as that may sound to some people, like,

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Speaker 4: that's clearly abrogating a federal a federal prerogative, I think.

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Speaker 4: But put down razor wire on your side of the river.

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Speaker 4: It's like, well, the state of Texas gets to make

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Speaker 4: determinations about things like that all the time. So that's

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, like, why do you think Alito

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Speaker 4: would would have said you can't cut the wire? Why

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Speaker 4: did Alito say you can't cut the wire? We don't

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Speaker 4: have written opinions. No, I know that's telling you what

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Speaker 4: I think the Alito explanation.

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Speaker 2: I think the Alito explanation would be that this does

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Speaker 2: not directly infringe on the federal government's ability to implement

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Speaker 2: the immigration policy of its choice, and that Texas has

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Speaker 2: the right to protect its sovereignty and soil from a

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Speaker 2: foreign invader. I think that's I mean, yes, I agree,

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Speaker 2: I think I think I think that would be succinctly put.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a compelling argument. I know it's five four,

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Speaker 4: but I mean to me, you sit here and you

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Speaker 4: say the whole, because this is why interfering is the whole,

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Speaker 4: because Texas can put you know, if Texas wants to

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Speaker 4: build a wall in Texas, Texas can build a wall

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Speaker 4: in Texas. Right, there has to be something. Now when

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Speaker 4: you get to the actual border itself, now you're I

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Speaker 4: forget even how this is, but there's like it is

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Speaker 4: federal territory. Right.

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Speaker 3: Again, by the question that guy asked before, I didn't

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Speaker 3: mean to be dismissive of it.

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Speaker 4: He does have a point when he said, how far

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Speaker 4: inland can they make these determinations? This has to be

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Speaker 4: This has been litigated before where you had border stops

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Speaker 4: effectively that were one hundred miles from the border, and

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Speaker 4: people were like, well, hold on a second, how are

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Speaker 4: you doing border stops one hundred miles from the border, right?

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Speaker 2: So, and what's fascinating about this, tu Buck is. I mean, One,

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Speaker 2: if you're a history nerd like i am, you go

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Speaker 2: all the way back to the nullification controversy right during

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Speaker 2: South Carolina pre Civil War, basically said we can nullify

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Speaker 2: laws that the federal government passes that we as South

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Speaker 2: Carolinians do not support. And then and again this is

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Speaker 2: being very legal nerd, But a lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: realize that the Southern States when they succeeded, Jefferson Davis

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Speaker 2: hoped that he was going to be arrested for seceding

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Speaker 2: as a like, he hoped that it was going to

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Speaker 2: go before the Supreme Court because his belief and the

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Speaker 2: belief of many Southern states in the eighteen sixty timeframe

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Speaker 2: when they withdrew, when they succeeded, was that every individual

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Speaker 2: state had the constitutional right to withdraw from the United

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Speaker 2: States government. And subsequent to the Civil War that's been

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Speaker 2: taken away. But coming out of the dread Scott decision

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Speaker 2: and all these other things, it is interesting, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I Mean, we thought we had a god given right

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Speaker 2: to secede from Great Britain. So you get into some

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Speaker 2: deep philosophical stuff here. Now, the British were not happy.

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Speaker 2: They thought we were their people, correct, And the people

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Speaker 2: who were in the South, many of them said, to

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Speaker 2: your point, historically, we are doing the same thing to

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Speaker 2: the United States that the un United States did to

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Speaker 2: Great Britain. That is, when you believe that the government

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Speaker 2: no longer represents you, you are not bound and determined

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Speaker 2: and obligated to remain a member of the Union. And

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Speaker 2: so each of these southern states voted, the people of

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Speaker 2: those states voted to secede and join the Confederate States,

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Speaker 2: and Abraham Lincoln said, no, you cannot do that, and invaded.

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Speaker 2: And we had the war over whether or not that

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Speaker 2: was allowed, and now it has been determined that you

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Speaker 2: cannot succeede. So this is to me a natural outgrowth

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Speaker 2: of the battle of states rights right which we have

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Speaker 2: continued to fight for some time over what does the

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Speaker 2: state have the obligation and ability to do? And ultimately

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Speaker 2: this comes down to who has the decision. Well, this

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Speaker 2: is you know, you brought up nullification, and I think

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Speaker 2: that what the American people are seeing is that the

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Speaker 2: Biden administration's policy at our southern border is gay facto

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Speaker 2: nullification of congressionally pass statutes on immigration, which is why

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Speaker 2: I think he Joe Biden should be impeached based on

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Speaker 2: what's going on at the southern border.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can't agree. I just feel like, you know,

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Speaker 4: we're going to impeach him. He's not gonna get removed.

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Speaker 4: That's a martyr out of him, you know, the.

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Speaker 2: Politics, and I understand you can take that political step.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the impeachment has become just sort of a defacto,

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Speaker 2: you know, sort of like stamp of disapproval because you're

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Speaker 2: not going to get sixty seven votes in the Senate

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Speaker 2: to remove anybody.

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Speaker 4: Here's what's really different, and I think very important right

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Speaker 4: now about the immigration debate and why this is really

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Speaker 4: becoming a problem for Democrats and they know it. That's

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Speaker 4: why they're trying to do this Senate And by the way,

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Speaker 4: I think this ruling is bad for them too, yes,

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Speaker 4: oh absolutely. For Look, Texas is playing a brilliant hand here.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to secure the border, and if they're not

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Speaker 4: allowed to secure the border, it's very obvious it's because

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Speaker 4: the Biden administration is saying, hey, Texas, you can't secure

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Speaker 4: the border, right, so there's.

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Speaker 2: No win here for Biden for them to argue that

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Speaker 2: Republicans are to blame for border lack of security when

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Speaker 2: Greg Abbott is trying to shut down the border and

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Speaker 2: Biden is going to the Supreme Court to keep it open.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I would just say the big difference right now

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Speaker 4: and in this year about how this is going to

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Speaker 4: play out is that because of the migrants, the illegals,

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Speaker 4: and all these cities that are living on the streets,

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Speaker 4: that are breaking city budgets that are overwhelming emergency rooms

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Speaker 4: and schools and everything else, people see this problem now

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Speaker 4: in a way that they know it is their problem.

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Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people before illegal immigration

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Speaker 4: was a theoretical issue for them, but doesn't matter where

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Speaker 4: you live. When you see the financial impact of illegal

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Speaker 4: immigrants in major cities, you understand that this has a

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Speaker 4: national impact and it's going to affect the future of

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Speaker 4: the country. It's going to affect goods and services that

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Speaker 4: are given to us by the or services rather and

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Speaker 4: the welfare date of the government. So it's a big

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Speaker 4: problem for them. They can't just make this problem go away.

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Speaker 4: Eight hundred two two two eight a two. What do

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Speaker 4: you think about what Texas is doing. If you have

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Speaker 4: All right, everybody, welcome back. Senator Marshall Blackburn of Tennessee

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Speaker 4: is with us now. Senator Blackburn, thanks for calling in.

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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you.

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Speaker 5: As always good talking to you. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 4: We do want to ask you about what's going on

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Speaker 4: with the New Hampshire primary, but if we can first,

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Speaker 4: just want to get your reaction to this five to

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Speaker 4: four Supreme Court decision that the Biden administration has the

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Speaker 4: right to remove razor wire from the border and thus

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Speaker 4: make it easier for illegals and for fentanol and drug

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Speaker 4: dealers and all the rest of it to get into

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Speaker 5: It was a disappointing to see this decision out of

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court yesterday. I understand that there will be

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Speaker 5: another review of a case, and of course we know constitutionally,

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Speaker 5: if a if the federal government does not fulfill its

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Speaker 5: obligation to defend the states, the state has the right

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Speaker 5: to defend themselves, and that is the action Texas was

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Speaker 5: taking defending themselves against an invasion. So it's going to

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Speaker 5: be interesting to see when they take a second bite

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Speaker 5: as disapple what direction that they're going to travel. But

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Speaker 5: I think most people agree that Texas is there to

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Speaker 5: defend their border. They are there to defend the private

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Speaker 5: property of ranchers and farmers that live along that border,

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Speaker 5: and you're going to see them continue to push to

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Speaker 5: secure that area and secure their communities. We've all heard

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Speaker 5: about what has happened there in the Rio Grande Valley,

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Speaker 5: what has apple happened to Eagle Paths, And we've heard

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Speaker 5: these stories from citizens that live there that have demanded

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Speaker 5: that the state that step up and help them to protect.

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Speaker 2: The Senator Blackburn with us now, Marsh, I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: coming on tonight. Obviously we will get the results in

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire. Trump is a big favorite to win there,

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Speaker 2: as he did in.

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Speaker 3: Iowa as well.

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Speaker 2: Presuming that Trump wins there, I bet you know Nikki

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Speaker 2: Haley at least a little bit over the years. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you guys have crossed paths. Do you think she

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Speaker 2: should end her campaign if she loses in New Hampshire tonight?

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Speaker 3: Do you think she will?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Clay, I think it is so important for her

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Speaker 5: to end her campaign. And I do know her, and

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Speaker 5: I know that she is a hard worker and she

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Speaker 5: has served her state in her country in times past,

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Speaker 5: and Hiss had done it well. I think that the

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Speaker 5: voters have spoken. And whether you're looking at a resounding victory,

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Speaker 5: historic win in Iowa or what is going to be

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Speaker 5: a historic win in New Hampshire, and the polling that

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Speaker 5: is coming out of the states South Carolina, the Superduesday

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Speaker 5: states President Donald Trump is going to be the party's nominee.

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Speaker 5: It is time for us to unite this party. It

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Speaker 5: is time for us to stand with President Trump. It

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Speaker 5: is time for us to put all of our efforts

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Speaker 5: into a general election effort to make certain that he wins,

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Speaker 5: to make certain that we take the Senate, that we

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Speaker 5: keep the House, that we do well in our state

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Speaker 5: based elections for governor, for state House, for state Senate,

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Speaker 5: and Republicans need to put their attention on that and

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Speaker 5: any time. Any dollar that we spend on these primary

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Speaker 5: races is time and money that we don't have to

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Speaker 5: put into winning in November, and winning in November, having

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Speaker 5: President Trump in the White House, making certain we get

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Speaker 5: this country back on track. That is where we need

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Speaker 5: to spend our time.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of Senator Marshall Blackburn of Tennessee, Senator playin and

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Speaker 4: I frequently speak about what now. It seems Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: previously the Republican nominee, whoever it was, but it seems

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Speaker 4: it will in fact be Trump. What he'll be facing

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Speaker 4: on the other side of the political spectrum, Mary, I mean,

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Speaker 4: who's going to be the Democrat candidate? What do you

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Speaker 4: think their plan is going to be? With Biden trailing

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Speaker 4: so badly already in these polls, I mean, how do

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Speaker 4: you see them trying to make up that gap?

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Speaker 5: And what we know is that the Biden camp has

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Speaker 5: said that he will be the nominee and he is

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Speaker 5: running for reelection, and they don't seem to have a

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Speaker 5: plan or a recognition of how poorly he is doing

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Speaker 5: in the polls. And when you look at how his

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Speaker 5: popularity has continued to drop since he was sworn in,

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Speaker 5: that was his high water mark and he is not

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Speaker 5: going to win this. And there again, this is one

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Speaker 5: of those reasons, the fact that the Democrats are not

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Speaker 5: realistic about this. They're not realistic about where the American

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Speaker 5: people in are on these issues. And you look at

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Speaker 5: the polling and where are independents moving. They are moving

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Speaker 5: to President Trump. And the reason they're doing that is

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Speaker 5: because they remember what the economy was like, what our

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Speaker 5: border security was like under President Trump. They remember that

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Speaker 5: our enemies feared us, and that our allies knew that

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Speaker 5: they were an ally. All of these things are weighing

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Speaker 5: on their minds as they look at what is going

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Speaker 5: to happen in twenty twenty four. So I think there's

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Speaker 5: time for people to get on Team Trump. It's time

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Speaker 5: for people to realize it's a Democrat. I just kind

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Speaker 5: of have their head in the sand. That's fine. Biden

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Speaker 5: hasn't worked for them the way they thought it was

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Speaker 5: going to work. People are not buying their message. We

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Speaker 5: have an opportunity to put this country on the right track,

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Speaker 5: and I think we should take it.

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Speaker 2: If Donald Trump came to you, Senator Blackburn, I know

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Speaker 2: you're up for reelection and you are obviously going to

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Speaker 2: win comfortably. I'm not even sure what nut case is

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Speaker 2: going to be running against you here in Tennessee, but

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Speaker 2: I look forward to voting for you in the primary

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Speaker 2: in March and then in the general in November. But

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Speaker 2: if Donald Trump came to you, and I've seen your

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Speaker 2: name somewhat bandied about as a VP candidate, if he

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Speaker 2: asked you who you would suggest he should be looking

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Speaker 2: at as VP, who would you tell him?

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Speaker 5: And you know I will first say my reelection effort.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for mentioning that, Marcia Blackburn dot com. That's where

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Speaker 5: your listeners will find me. And can support my.

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Speaker 2: Work, and I would encourage all of you to go

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Speaker 2: donate to Marsha. She's doing a great job as my

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Speaker 2: senator and as many of your senators in Tennessee, but

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Speaker 2: also doing a good job advocating for sanity. I was

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Speaker 2: excited to vote for you in eighteen when you had

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Speaker 2: a tough race. I know this race is not going

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Speaker 2: to be particularly tough, but money still matters. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: i'd encourage you to go do which you can at

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Speaker 2: Marshall Blackburn dot com. Sorry to cut you off, but

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Speaker 2: I'll give you my endortion.

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Speaker 5: No, I appreciate that. And of course I think that

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Speaker 5: what we need to do is everybody say, President Trump,

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Speaker 5: you tell me what I need to do to help

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Speaker 5: you win, and I'm going to do it. That's what

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Speaker 5: I'm doing. I'm saying. I am here, I am fully supportive.

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Speaker 5: We want to make certain that you win this race.

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Speaker 5: And when it comes to someone who would serve as

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Speaker 5: his vice president, I want him to make the decision

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Speaker 5: of the person that he thinks is going to stand

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Speaker 5: there and help him every step of the way to

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Speaker 5: accomplish what he wants to accomplish. Because we've got a

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Speaker 5: long to do list in this country. We need to

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Speaker 5: cut the size of this bureaucracy. We need to seal

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Speaker 5: our southern border. We need to make certain that we

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Speaker 5: keep the tax cuts that President Trump put in place

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Speaker 5: in twenty seventeen and in twenty twenty five that is

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Speaker 5: going to be in a very active battle on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 5: We need to make those tax cuts permanent. We need

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Speaker 5: to have somebody at his right hand that understands that

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Speaker 5: Hezbollah and Hamas and the Hoofis, these are all protzis

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Speaker 5: for a run. We need somebody that's going to understand

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Speaker 5: that China is an adversary, that they're not a competitor.

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Speaker 5: And I want President Trump to have the brightest and

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Speaker 2: Awesome stuff. Go check out Marshall Blackburn. Good luck on

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Speaker 2: the reelect, Senator. We appreciate you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 3: You got it. That is Senator Marsha Blackburn. I think

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Speaker 3: she's gonna win.

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Speaker 2: I would set it by twenty or twenty five points

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Speaker 3: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to play a couple of cuts from up

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Speaker 2: in New Hampshire where people are now voting granted staters.

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Speaker 2: I hope you are all out letting your voices be heard,

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Speaker 2: joining the people of Iowa and helping to make decisions

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Speaker 2: on twenty twenty four for many of us out there

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Speaker 2: in terms of who will be on our ballots right now,

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Speaker 2: The Shift, Nikki Hayley and Sonunu, the current governor of

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Speaker 2: New Hampshire, have started to attack Donald Trump's mental aptitude.

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Speaker 2: This is what Governor Sonunu said yesterday.

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Speaker 3: There's only been.

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Speaker 6: Three goals here. One was to make sure she got

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Speaker 6: a second place.

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Speaker 3: We got that.

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Speaker 6: Two was to make sure there were only two candidates

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Speaker 6: left in the race, and we're ahead.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 3: She's wiped twelve candidates.

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Speaker 6: Off, and then she wants to build on that momentum.

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Speaker 6: Out of iow where you got twenty percent, she's going

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Speaker 6: to more than double or exceed that.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 3: The last point is their polls.

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Speaker 6: Last time I checked, they're always wrong, right, so you

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Speaker 6: never know the same poll On the day I got

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Speaker 6: elect the governor said I was gonna lose by eleven

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Speaker 6: and we won by a couple percent. So you know,

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Speaker 6: it's all about the voter turnout. It's all about the enthusiasm.

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Speaker 6: Where's the energy, not just what people say on the

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Speaker 6: phone or how they you know, respond to an online

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Speaker 6: text or something. It's really about the energy of the campaign.

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Speaker 6: Trump has no energy. The guy can barely read a

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Speaker 6: teleprompter right now. All the wind is behind Nicky's sales.

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Speaker 6: So I just think the sky's the limit.

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Speaker 2: I think Trump can can speak pretty easily, and it

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Speaker 2: has pretty good ability to go off the cuff, so

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Speaker 2: I think that's not really landing. But Trump responded to

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Speaker 2: attacks on his aptitude by saying, oh, he would crush

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Speaker 2: Nicky Hayley in and basically an intelligence test.

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Speaker 7: Listen, well, I think I'm a lot sharper than her.

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Speaker 7: I would do this. I would sit down right now

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Speaker 7: and take an aptitude test, and it would be my

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Speaker 7: result against her result, and she's not going to win.

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Speaker 7: It's not gonna even come close to winning. In fact,

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Speaker 7: when I heard the word cognitive, you know, I've taken

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Speaker 7: two of them now. I took one with Doc Ronnie

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Speaker 7: who's now a fantastic you know, white House doctor and

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Speaker 7: a fantastic congressman from Texas, Admiral the White House Doctor Jackson,

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Speaker 7: Ronnie Jackson, and he's now a great congressman from Texas.

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Speaker 7: I took one then, and I took one recently. I

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Speaker 7: think the result was announced, and it was I aced

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Speaker 7: it twice.

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Speaker 1: I ased it.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Buck, if we just had instead

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Speaker 2: of debates, what if we had Trump the Biden spelling bee,

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Speaker 2: or just like a fifth grade history test and we

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Speaker 2: just had them go head to head on basic American

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Speaker 2: knowledge that I think would be unbelievable television. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I would a spelling bee between Biden and.

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Speaker 3: Trump would be incredible.

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Speaker 2: But I just don't I don't think that he had

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Speaker 2: gone from his aptitude works.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's not gonna work at all. Just one

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Speaker 4: thing that's a little side note. But it is interesting

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Speaker 4: to me that Democrats are generally huge elitists when it

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Speaker 4: comes to education, and they you know, they even sneer

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Speaker 4: at Amy Coney Barrett for example, because she went to

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Speaker 4: Notre Dame Law School, which by the way, is a

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Speaker 4: very good law school and hard to get into, but

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Speaker 4: you know, it's not Harvard or Yale like a lot

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Speaker 4: Supreme Court justices go. But they're very, you know, very

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Speaker 4: snippy usually about this. You'll notice they never even go

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Speaker 4: Wharton and Joe Biden was lying about where he was

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Speaker 4: in his class at Syracuse Law School. He was at

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Speaker 4: the bottom of his Syracuse Law School class. So this

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Speaker 4: is why you never hear them, really, I think, go

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Speaker 4: after Trump on an education level because Trump is an

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Speaker 4: Ivy leaguer and Biden is a guy. No in the

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Speaker 4: wrong with Syracuse Law School a good school. To be

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Speaker 4: the bottom of your class at Syracuse Law School though

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Speaker 4: fifty years ago, it's pretty pretty darn and impressive.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean they went after George W. Bush and

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Speaker 3: didn't he have a Harvard NBA.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, she had better grades than John Kerry did

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Speaker 4: from Yale, which is what the whole thing they were like.

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Speaker 4: George Bush is so dumb. He got some b's and c's,

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Speaker 4: and then they look at John Kerry and John carry

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Speaker 4: got like lots of season. John Kerry's skill is like

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Speaker 4: marrying rich women more than once. Like that's John Kerry's

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Speaker 4: great life skill.

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Speaker 2: It is fascinating who gets attacked for their intelligence and

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Speaker 2: who doesn't. But I again, I don't think that the

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Speaker 2: cognitive aspect is the way to attack him.

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Speaker 3: If Nicki Haley came to me and.

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Speaker 2: She said, Clay, I'm willing to burn the ships, I

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Speaker 2: don't think she's willing to. But let's presume that she

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Speaker 2: said I'm willing to burn the ships. I have decided

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Speaker 2: this is my best chance to ever be elected president.

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Speaker 3: How do I beat Trump? What would you advise me.

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Speaker 2: I would say, you go after the fact that he

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Speaker 2: lost in twenty twenty I'm saying, if I was Nicky Haley,

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Speaker 2: and you will lose to Joe Biden again in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four, and you straight up own it, and we

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Speaker 2: say you, we can't risk you against Joe Biden again

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Speaker 2: because what will change that will lead to you being victorious.

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Speaker 2: And I think you have to hammer him on it

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Speaker 2: all that that's the only message you hit.

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Speaker 3: Over and over and over again.

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Speaker 2: The challenge that I think she would run into with

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00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: that message is and I'm one of these people, I'm

876
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: not that worried about electability because if Biden were the nominee,

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00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: then that is Biden's the worst possible nominee. Now, Micky

878
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Speaker 2: Haley could potentially pivot and take the step of Biden's

879
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: not going to be the nominee. They just want to

880
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: get you locked in Donald Trump, and then they want

881
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Speaker 2: to shift and bring in a better candidate to beat you.

882
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: And I'll beat any candidate they put forward. You probably

883
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Speaker 2: will lose to Biden again if that were her argument,

884
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Speaker 2: but you would certainly lose to Michelle Obama or any

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Speaker 2: other rig job candidate. They put in that's the burn

886
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Speaker 2: the ship's argument, and I don't think she willing to

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Speaker 2: burn the ships. And if she's not willing to burn

888
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Speaker 2: the ships, she's not gonna win. I don't think she's

889
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Speaker 2: gonna win no matter what. But you have to be

890
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Speaker 2: willing to say this is it. We're winning this year.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that Nikki Hayley in twenty twenty eight

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Speaker 2: would ever find herself again in a mono a mono

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Speaker 2: case race for present because I think in twenty twenty

894
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Speaker 2: eight there'll be twenty five people running and I think

895
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: it'll be very hard to win that nomination. I don't

896
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Speaker 2: think somebody's gonna run away with it like has happened

897
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: this year. So that's that would be my advice. If

898
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Speaker 2: she said to me, how do I win this race?

899
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Speaker 2: I think you have to say Trump's a loser and

900
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Speaker 2: he'll lose again.

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Speaker 4: Have we ever talked about how her nand Cortez didn't

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Speaker 4: actually burn his ships? By the way, we have that

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Speaker 4: it's such a good metaphor that you have to use

904
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Speaker 4: it no matter what. Yeah, it's it's too good to

905
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Speaker 4: it's too good to change. He scuttled his ships, he

906
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Speaker 4: didn't actually burn them, but burning is a much better

907
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Speaker 4: if you're looking for the metaphor. Burning is much more visceral.

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Speaker 4: It's much more you know, you know another thing, you know,

909
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Speaker 4: nowhere else to go, you know, Lemmings don't actually commit suicide, right,

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Speaker 4: useful of it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's too useful.

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Speaker 4: They made a Disney a Disney movie back in the fifties,

913
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Speaker 4: a documentary You actually Got an Oscar, and they basically

914
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Speaker 4: this really mean they got all the livings together. They

915
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Speaker 4: pushed them off a cliff On video. They don't commit suicide.

916
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Speaker 4: That's insane.

917
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Speaker 3: It wouldn't go it wouldn't go very well.

918
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Speaker 4: And pet it would never repeat it. No, they will

919
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Speaker 4: not be very never allowed that anymore. And they're actually

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Speaker 5: So it was.

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Speaker 4: It was really a shame. There's other there's other ones too,

923
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Speaker 4: where it's like it doesn't no one cares that the

924
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Speaker 4: A little bit like some of the quotes out there,

926
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Speaker 4: like Ron got hit for using a Churchill quote about

927
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Speaker 4: you know something is it's never final or the defeat

928
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Speaker 4: is never final. There are so many good Churchill, Voltaire

929
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Speaker 3: But the same thing.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Roberty Lee, I think one of the

933
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934
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935
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Speaker 2: up a little bit, but duty is the sublimest word

936
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937
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938
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941
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942
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943
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944
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945
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946
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