1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. You're and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: I'm editor Candice Gibson, joined day as always by the 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: ever Mary Josh Clark Mayad, my writer. How is it going, Candace? 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: It's going very well because you've just taken a big 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: bite of something. It's cake. Um. You know they're throwing 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: a party in the conference room for Sarah Dowty's birthday. 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: You know that, right, We've got to get some of 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: those cake getters really good. It looks good anyway. So 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: I was just in there and somebody, I think it 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: was Katie Lambert says, let them meet cake, you know, 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: just kind of jokingly. So I say, as to Clambert, 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: I says, be careful because the last person who said 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: that had her head cut off. What do you think, Oh, 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: it's not true. Yea, it is. I mean it's kind 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: of a cute thing to say, and I'm sure people 17 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: laugh politely, but it's not true. I don't did get 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: a politely that was about it. Well, Katy knows better, 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: so she was humoring you. Well, no, I mean Marie 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: Antoinette said up and for saying it. They stormed the 21 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: best deal and cut her head off. Wrong and wrong 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: and wrong. Well, okay, filmy and miss I know everything 23 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: about the French Revolution, the frev as I like to 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: abbreviate it um. Marie Antoinette was actually about ten years 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: old when that phrase appeared in Jean jacqu Rousseau's confessions, 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: and supposedly he either turned the phrase himself or he 27 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: got it from Maria Raisa, who was married to King 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: Louis the fourteenth. And if she actually did say it, 29 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: which was just a rumor, she would have been saying, 30 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: not literally, let the meat cake like the vanilla clime 31 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: at the sugar flowers that you have, but brioche, which 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: is actually an egg based bread that sounds much worse 33 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: than the cake I have. You mean tasting, or I 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: would prefer, you know, the sugary kind. I like a 35 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: nice brioche at brunch, you know, at a birthday party. 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: Perhaps not anyway, the point being from an economical standpoint, 37 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: it was it was a pretty wise thing to say 38 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 1: what she was. Well, she was referring to this law 39 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: in France that dictated what prices bakers could saw their bread. Yes, 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: the French baker law anyway, you laugh, but it's true. 41 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: If I did laugh, you're right, I laugh at everything though. Anyway, 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: So the law was you had to sell your fans 43 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: your bread's like, you know, your brioche at the same 44 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: price as your cheaper flower and water loaves if that 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 1: supply ran out, if the cheaper ones ran out. Yes, 46 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: so the peasants got the good stuff at the same price, right, 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: that seems pretty fair. Yeah, so the peasants didn't go hungry. 48 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: So you know, the story behind the falls left them 49 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: cake thing was that the people in parish were starving 50 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: and hungry. Marie Antoinette posedly said, left the meat cake. 51 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 1: What really would have happened if Maria Theresa did say 52 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: it was she heard that the peasants were hungry and starving. 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: She said, well, if there is no bread, then let 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: them have briosh at the same cost. And there you 55 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: have it. A sweet little story, isn't it very sweet? 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: That's heartwarming? Okay, so that's fiction. Yeah. Wow, that's like 57 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: the one of the few things I know about Marie Antoinette. 58 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: But I do know that that's not the only scandal. 59 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: This woman was a very scandalous figure, right, I mean, 60 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: she was there when the French revolted overthrew the monarchy 61 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: and established their own system of government. Right, Yes, it 62 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: was in part because of her, wasn't it precisely? I 63 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: mean she like she had an affair with like a Swede, Right, 64 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: that's what I heard. Tell me, that's not fiction, that's 65 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: not fiction. Yes, that's true. That when you can you 66 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: can cling on too. It was. It wasn't exactly a 67 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: torrid rolling in the boudoir love affair. It was very 68 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: tender and genuine from what I understand. You're referring to 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: Count Axel von Person. He was a Swede and they 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: met at a ball in Paris and they kept up 71 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: communication over several years. He actually went away to help 72 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: fight in the American Revolution and was back and forth 73 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: between Sweden and France, and eventually he came back. And 74 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: by this time Louis had given Marie Antoinette her own 75 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: little place on the grounds of her side. It was 76 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: called Petit trian On. Yeah, I've heard the descriptions of 77 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: this place. That sounds beautiful. Yeah. Basically, go kim basing 78 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: grim buy an entire town um kind of sort of. 79 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: It was house originally built for I believe Madame du Pompadour. 80 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: And of course the idea was just a pleasure house. 81 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: It was a complete getaway. And Marie Antoinette was a 82 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: tomboy when she was growing up. She really liked hunting 83 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: and animals and the rough and tumble life, and so 84 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: she wanted to bring a little bit of that flavor 85 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: to your side. So she actually created her own provincial 86 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: village outside Petit trian On, complete with cows and sheep 87 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: one of my personal faith animals. Um. So she had 88 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: all these rustic looking buildings, but while some of them 89 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: actually operated, mo to them had other things inside, you know, 90 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: like other little getaways or extensions of the house. It 91 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: was almost like, I don't know, going to MGM and 92 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: seeing all these backdrops, but behind, you know, you realize 93 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: they're just a prop. Really, didn't she put on plays there? 94 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: I mean that kind of that would coincide with that. Yeah. 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: It was her own little fantasy world, and she had 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: a jewel box theater and when she gave these performances, 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: it was one of the only times that Louis would 98 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: come to train on It was her getaway, but he 99 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: would come by to see her perform and she would 100 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 1: play the part of dairymaids. And for someone who had 101 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: as much money and extravagant things as she did, she 102 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: certainly liked, you know, taking off the dog as her 103 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: personally expression. Guests, I guess what I'm putting on the dog? 104 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: Isn't that the expression for getting all fancy? I have 105 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: not heard that. Actually, well she took off the dog, okay, alright, Well, yeah, 106 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: I got the impression that she got homesick kind of 107 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: kind of frequently for Vienna, and like you said, her 108 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: tomboy upbringing her you know, childhood, that kind of thing. 109 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: So she did have the affair with the Swede then, yes, okay, fact. 110 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: So the reason I heard I've got I've got another one. 111 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: The reason I've heard that she had an affair with 112 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: the Swede was because her husband, Louis was impotent. Is 113 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: that is that fact? Your fiction? Um? Also a fact? Yes? 114 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: Actually it was Louis sixt Yes, I know this room, 115 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: the numerals, they're crazy. So two out of three ain't bad? No, 116 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: not bad at all. Um, Well, it's you know, kind 117 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: of bad from my aunt went out because we're laughing 118 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: in her bedroom life and it was pretty pitiful and Yeah, 119 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: it really was. And I'm not the only one to 120 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: think so. During her lifetime, there were pamphlets that sort 121 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: of amounted to what are you know tabloids today being 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: circulated around Paris, and the headlines just screamed, King can't 123 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: do it with queen. Well, royal couple fails to consummate marriage. Well, yeah, 124 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: you know, they they're big into producing airs, so I 125 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: can imagine that was pretty scan was how long did 126 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: this go on for? Because I mean they eventually did 127 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: have kids, right, yeah, seven years? Seven years that there 128 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: are plenty of pamphlets. Yeah, and the first kid was 129 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: a girl. Okay, Yeah, that didn't solve a whole lot, 130 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: but they did have a boy. Eventually they did go 131 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: on to have children. But you know, it's just so 132 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: funny because there were so many factors about their lives 133 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: that were really working against them in this. For one, 134 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: Louis was really interested in locks. That yeah, and the 135 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: big joke was that the king couldn't find where to 136 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: put his key and little jokes like this, and a 137 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: lot of pressure was on Marie Antoinette. You know, this 138 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: marriage was obviously a political marriage. It was designed to 139 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: night the Austrian Hapsburgs with the French Bourbons, and her 140 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: mother would write her letter saying, you need to be 141 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: kissing on him more and touching on him more, and 142 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: be warmer in the bedroom, and you need to be 143 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: taking better care of yourself to make yourself attractive to him, 144 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: and she just felt really awful. You know, she was 145 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: still really young at this time. They I think she 146 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: was fifteen when they got married. Well it's pretty young, 147 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: too young, almost too young, there you have it. But 148 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: um by the time they became monarch, because I think 149 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: she was in her twenties, very very early twenties. So 150 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: you have a lot of pressure. Well that is a 151 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: lot of pressure. So okay, so I'm two for three today, 152 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: which isn't bad. That's better than my usual over one. 153 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you clearing that up. I'm going to 154 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: go talk to Clamber and tell her I was wrong. Okay, Yeah, 155 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: So thanks for this, And you want me to get 156 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: you some cake, just some champagne, just champagne, you got it. 157 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: I'm on glass number three, so I'll bring a couple 158 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: for us. And you know what, if you want to 159 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: dash back when you've got that other piece of cake, 160 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: I'll tell you one more interesting tidbit about her. So 161 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: we're back, and I promised you one more interesting to 162 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: tail about Marie Antoinette's and here goes. What is it? 163 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: Supposedly she was allowed a three point six million dollar 164 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: and today's dollars allowance for her wardrobe, and she always 165 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: surpassed that because she liked ordering gowns trend and silver 166 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: and gold and dripping with diamonds and emeralds and stuff. 167 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: I have a tuxedo that has um, you know, emeralds 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: all over it. But that's just one well, and that's 169 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, that's practical. That's for the work party. We 170 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: need those here. Sure, I forgot it today. Luckily, I'm 171 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: wearing my ballgown. 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